I played both of these games and not once throughout either of them did I feel like I was playing a Zelda game. I felt like I was playing a completely unrelated game with the names and designs of things from the Zelda series slapped on at the last minute for marketing.
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no one cares. this is zelda for most people. their sales completely mog all other Zelda games. that old shit is irrelevant.
This is the reality sadly. Accept it and move on. And stop putting Nintendo on a pedestal
They're not zelda games. The franchise has been in a indefinite hiatus ever since ALBW
Grezzo is working with ninty on a new top-down zelda game
she's in the castle dummy
>Where's the Zelda?
zeldaclassic.com
romhacking.net
hylianmodding.com
I have no recollection of asking
They had six fricking years to add real Zelda dungeons to TotK of the Kingdom. My expectations were high. Six years is a long ass time to work on a game that re-uses the same engine and map.
I was 100% expecting TOTK to be the next OOT, a true Zelda game that would be remembered for multiple generations. Instead we got... nothing? No dungeons, no buy.
just like final fantasy, the zelda series gets raped over the years to cater to zoomers. either get used to it or move on. you can easily emulate the old games so not a big deal tbh.
Oh so this is why the famitsu thread is calm right now, eric had to fall back on his hourly Zelda hate thread kek
>tranime
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ANIME WEBSITE
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ANIME THREAD
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is there an ACTUAL eric in all this mess because I have seen dozens of clearly different people called eric by the resident spammer
Eric here
AMA
Yes, I do think that BOTW > TOTK
because ubisoft made it
TotK's main quest is literally "Find Zelda". Something tells me you haven't played it.
>audible seethe
ment for
Genshin is the new Zelda
can someone please tell me, who is eric
dubiously-real person who is supposedly the sole source of all dissent on the topic of BOTW/TOTK's absolute dominance of the entire game industry
>absolute dominance
elaborate
one schizo believes BOTW/TOTK are the best video games to ever exist, absolute divine inspiration godly works untouchable in every regard
this schizo calls everyone who disagrees Eric
ESPECIALLY if they like a Zelda game from before BOTW
Made up name. Ever since barry started getting all the blame for FFXV dick sucking (which was fair, it was mostly him) people started making up random names to assign to anyone shit talking certain games. There are a lot of extreme autists on this board, many of them happen to be tendies.
There is some schizo whose mind broke when TotK lost game of the year, and created a tulpa to vent all his frustrations.
he was absolutely ranting about an imaginary "eric" a long time before TOTK lost.
He should be coming back to this thread with a new IP soon enough.
Zelda hasn't been Zelda ever since it went 3D.
Yes, ocarina of time was a mistake. I said it.
Shit opinion
Here she is!
>eric has troon images saved on his pc
YIKES
this homie has not proved once that he plays video games at all let alone terraria and armored core and no photoshopped screenshots don't count
>things are so confused people think "eric" is ACgay
what the FRICK
basically the same person, ACgay worships Eric
At this point I think it's ACgay samegayging when people start to btfo him or he has to beg for attention by shitstirring. It's all very desperate
I've absolutely seen ACgay and the moron screeching about Eric posting actively and in different threads.
Hell, we can see the moron just got banned and the AChomosexual post is fine. Though it's not by a new IP, so I wonder what prior post he made...
If you're referring to the Terraria image, that guy isn't me. This eric shitposter is taking my images and trying to appropriate my arguments to further his console war. He tried this same tactic in the famitsu thread, and now he's pissed me off. The point of a multiplat is to avoid console wars, and he's just ruined all of that out of pettiness.
>The point of a multiplat is to avoid console wars
... No. The point of a multiplat is to be available to more possible players. No developer thinks about, nor should think about, how random people are going to act when discussing their game.
It's obviously not a developer intent, but it's one of the biggest benefits. it's supposed to avoid such an obvious trapping of online discussions. Besides, the context is all wrong. Why did he even post it? When I post it, it's in response to Arthur saying something like "TOTK is the greatest game ever made" or "name a better adventure game. you can't". This guy just comes in and posts it without any context. It's poor form.
Erictroony, you lost and got raped.
>It's obviously not a developer intent, but it's one of the biggest benefits
Genuinely HOW? I have never seen even one game be so dominated by console warriors that normal discussion is difficult enough to be annoying, aside from BOTW/TOTK. And that required a COLOSSAL developer frickup to cause, and it's only really true on Ganker.
>Besides, the context is all wrong.
You bring up your own games in completely nonsensical contexts all the goddamn time. I understand your complaint that someone is imitating you poorly but you cannot possibly pretend you operate under anything approaching logic.
I've been here for long enough to say it started with the ACgay guy doing the most egregious trolling replete with goalpost moving and deliberately making up arguments in the posts he responded to. It got so annoying the ericposting guy appeared and has been shitting up threads ever since. The chemo has failed to cure the cancer, the acsnoy still shows up to reengage the same trolling tactics for 500 post threads, but now totk threads have one more butthole to deal with.
>I have never seen even one game be so dominated by console warriors that normal discussion is difficult enough to be annoying,
Have you even seen discussions of Persona post-multiplat announcement, or Monster Hunter back when World and Rise were console exclusives? Those games were and are still impossible to discuss because of console-war brained midwits who need conflict.
>I understand your complaint that someone is imitating you poorly but you cannot possibly pretend you operate under anything approaching logic.
Look, it started with Arthur bringing up how TOTK and BOTW are completely unmatched, and how they're the "greatest games ever made". He basically invited me to bring up Terraria, when he asked me to name a better open world game. He also talks about how TOTK was better than any other game released in 2023, which is why I rebuttal him with Armored Core 6 and Pizza Tower.
My actions are always defensive.
Erictroony, you lost and got raped 😉
And you are currently worshipping and defending the snoystation 5.
>Big games that have huge news become nearly impossible to discuss afterwards
No fricking shit? Monhun is made harder to discuss more by morons trying to start a genwar than by console warriors. And the genwar isn't over consoleshittery at all, it's just "muh hardcores" homosexuals insisting that THEIR game is the one that's REALLY hard.
>He basically invited me to bring up Terraria, when he asked me to name a better open world game
No the frick he didn't. By "better" he meant COMPARABLE TO BOTW and better. Terraria is only open world in the absolute loosest sense of the word whereas BOTW is textbook 3D-action open world with collectibles fricking galore. Terraria is a holdover from survival sandboxes. They should not be compared, no matter how badly you perceive another post as """begging""".
Mocking him for saying TOTK is the best game of 2023 is fine, though.
>And the genwar isn't over consoleshittery at all, it's just "muh hardcores" homosexuals insisting that THEIR game is the one that's REALLY hard.
That's why I was referring to Rise and World respectively. Prior to multiplat status, they were always "tendie" this and "snoy" that. It was never about the game, it was about propagating their idiocy. Even now the threads still stink of console wars.
>By "better" he meant COMPARABLE TO BOTW and better. Terraria is only open world in the absolute loosest sense of the word whereas BOTW is textbook 3D-action open world with collectibles fricking galore.
And Terraria doesn't have collectibles? I'd say it's equally open world material, the only differences being the lack of a third dimension, and adhering to a more closed progression. It's still easy to compare them in terms of how they handle combat, item usage, weapons, inventory management, even fast travel and mounts and things as deep as storytelling.
Sure it's not gonna be a 1:1 comparison every time, but if he doesn't want me bringing up Terraria, he should stop asking people to name better adventure games. Besides, anyone who fits into his approved rhetoric of what counts as an open world game is also shat on. For example, if someone compares TOTK to Elden Ring, he'll just call it (and I'm quoting) "Zanzibart edge shite". so what am I supposed to do? Only name safe and approved open world games for him to shit on?
Just go fricking make Terraria threads or lurk the general.
I do that.
are still only fighting each other over "I'M THE REAL DIFFICULT ONE! YOU'RE THE EASY ONE!" territorialism over and over.
Except for the fact that they were literally used for console wars. I'll even bring up some posts from the archive to demonstrate.
>Sometimes there's a boss encounter between you and the route you're likely to take to any given item, but bosses are their own thing, and nothing that really constitutes "progression" is dropped by enemies- bar the rare case where you can ONLY buy an item.
I know some comparisons are a bit of a stretch, but they still apply in the right context. Like when I refer to items, I mean things like how the games handle your inventory space, or how they manage progression of increasingly better weapons, or even how they handle healing mid-combat. My point is that Zelda would be vastly improved if you took Terraria's concepts and applied them to their respective areas in Zelda. like limiting their ability to heal mid-combat, forcing them to heal without pausing the game, adding a cooldown to healing items. All of these things would greatly improve the flow of combat. That's the kind of comparisons I refer to.
>It's easy to compare Terraria to a stripped down version of the general design precedent for the series, at very least, a testament to how universal early Zelda's design was. But it doesn't give you any useful information other than that Terraria has entirely different design goals
Honestly, I'd say this isn't as true as you'd think. Terraria and Zelda 1 share alot in common, like how they offer you a semblance of explorative freedom, but still ask you to adhere to progression. You can't beat the moon lord until you beat the cultists, which requires you to beat skeletron, etc. Zelda doesn't let you kill Ganon until you get the triforce pieces. That's why I compare it to BOTW and TOTK, to show that Terraria is honestly more faithful to the NES zelda than modern zelda is.
erictroony, you admitted you havren't played troonyraria yesterday
>>>>>>>>>>were
Guilt is not continuous or collective.
>like limiting their ability to heal mid-combat, forcing them to heal without pausing the game, adding a cooldown to healing items
These are all incredibly general observations that you don't have to mention Terraria to make. And being that Terraria is so far from BOTW/TOTK in most regards, you should therefore just make the observation and not the comparison.
If the observation truly makes no sense in the absence of the comparison, then it didn't make any sense to begin with.
>they offer you a semblance of explorative freedom, but still ask you to adhere to progression
That is, once again, an incredibly broad observation. And, just as before, since it's a broad observation and the games don't share much connective tissue aside from such broad observations, it's better to make the observation without making the comparison.
>Guilt is not continuous or collective.
The fact of the matter is that it still happened.
>These are all incredibly general observations that you don't have to mention Terraria to make.
Yet when I don't mention Terraria, it gets called shitposting anyway. Look at this old post of mine, and see how quickly TOTK fans shit on it for "not being real criticism". Doesn't mention Terraria once, and yet they couldn't care less. So there's no winning here. Either I bring up Terraria and Arthur soils himself in rage and calls me a troony, or I don't bring it up and he calls me a troony who "never brought up legitimate criticism".
see
And ACsnoytroony, you haven't played any Zelda before.
So all "criticism" you make is invalid.
Pic related is the best post I've ever seen you make.
You know why?
Because you are deliberately suppressing your urge to connect all the actual issues with the game back to the """crime""" of it not being completely freeform and storyless.
It was shut down because TOTK is defended by shitposters. Not for any actual fault in the post.
>It was shut down because TOTK is defended by shitposters. Not for any actual fault in the post.
I guessed that, but it doesn't help when this rhetoric is echoed in every Nintendo thread since 2017. Be it a Splatoon thread, a Metroid thread, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, etc, they're all like "oh yeah Zelda is a perfect masterpiece and only snoys would criticize it". So it gets aggravating hearing these people claim to be level headed.
>So it gets aggravating hearing these people claim to be level headed.
They are, you are just a subhuman troony who has never played a Zelda game.
erictroony, you admitted you havren't played troonyraria yesterday
>That's why I was referring to Rise and World
Which are still only fighting each other over "I'M THE REAL DIFFICULT ONE! YOU'RE THE EASY ONE!" territorialism over and over. You are making a massive reach to blame something completely innocent on console wars, it's confirmation bias.
>It's still easy to compare them
The precedent for items in Zelda is entirely incomparable to Terraria. Sometimes there's a boss encounter between you and the route you're likely to take to any given item, but bosses are their own thing, and nothing that really constitutes "progression" is dropped by enemies- bar the rare case where you can ONLY buy an item. And while many items are optional, few are interchangeable; you're not expected to "choose" a certain number of them because they do the same thing anyway, you're just expected to probably miss a few.
It's easy to compare Terraria to a stripped down version of the general design precedent for the series, at very least, a testament to how universal early Zelda's design was. But it doesn't give you any useful information other than that Terraria has entirely different design goals which are neither objectively better nor worse, it doesn't tell you anything about what works in Zelda or why.
BotW has just as little to do with old Zelda design as Terraria does. You can compare them and see where they have entirely different design objectives, not see where one is objectively better or worse.
As someone who's first Zelda game was BotW, and then went back and played almost all of the previous ones, I really don't understand when people say these don't feel like Zelda games. What am I missing Ganker?
a brain
Eric, you lost 😉
is this a bot
meant for
ok stop
no 😉
They're all good games and Nintendo is using Zelda as a platform to innovate gaming as a whole. As you've seen from loads of other games copying BotW mechanics, they've had a big impact.
Part of old Zelda was
>see obvious problem and have no means to solve it
>come back later with new tool and solve older problem
whereas botw/totk make the lion's share of problems solvable the moment you see them even if it's your first time seeing them
different game design philosophy that disappointed lot of fans. same thing happened with souls games for example, they went from demon souls/dark souls methodically crafted dungeon crawling level design to elden rings open world with a lot of empty space filled with meaningless copy paste enemies to pad out the game.
see
New Hyrule Warriors when?
that shit was a fricking disgrace. BOTW graphics look disgusting.
the 1st and real hyrule warrios is the best looking zelda game ever made and it's a much better game too.
Erictroony, you lost and got raped 😉
Nah it was fun
honest question whats wrong with you man
Frick that, Zelda should keep experimenting. If Nintendo want to make the next one an God-game/survival-horror mash-up, I wouldn't give a frick.
Improving dungeon quality would also be nice.
>ACsnoytroony bumped Eric's snoystation 5 shill thread
kek, so much for "not wanting it".
It's honestly insane to me that you can change literally everything about a game except the name only and consumers will still buy it up in droves. Like, just psychologically, it's fascinating how open to change people are
Erictroony, you lost and got raped 😉
If you grew up with OoT yeah. But BotW is much closer to LoZ which was its design inspiration.
Its baby first open world game for tendies, forgive them, they dont know better
Erictroony, you lost and got raped 😉
please stop...
Erictroony, you lost and got raped 😉
it's nice they copied the game play of Shadows of the Colossus, while in Twlight Princess they copied the Okami game play while using Shadows of the Colossus graphics. How about nintendo just port Shadows of the Colossus and be done with the zelda series?
How many more years will Ganker seethe over Zelda being good again?
I swear this board HATES to see a game series comeback
IMO, what happened was that the hardcore drones who defended Nintendo even at their worst developed a sort of Stockholm Syndrome for 3D Zelda. Any Zelda that isn't using the Ocarina of Time Formula is heretical to them because they spent so long arguing with others that Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess were GOOD actually.
I enjoy both early 3D and the BotW formula, but I'm under no illusion that early 3D is somehow superior.
It's so sad. Terraria is great. It suffers from its own success. Too many shitposters use it as the be-all end-all of video game design. I just hope Re-Logic finally makes Terraria 2 some time before the 20th anniversary in 7 years.
>Too many shitposters use it as the be-all end-all of video game design.
I never said it was a perfect game, but don't you dare argue for even a second that it's somehow wrong for me to bring it up when comparing it to Zelda. Again, if you don't want me comparing it to Zelda, then wrangle the shitposters who ask for comparisons.
>don't you dare argue for even a second that it's somehow wrong for me to bring it up when comparing it to Zelda
I can and I will, it does not belong in discussions about Zelda even if comparisons are asked for because the similarities are so loose.
It's fricking not, you're just being deliberately obtuse.
>I can and I will, it does not belong in discussions about Zelda even if comparisons are asked for because the similarities are so loose.
Then you better tell that to Arthur. Tell it to this guy too while you're at it.
ACsnoytroony, you lost and got raped 😉
Especially since you have played neither Zelda nor terraria in your life.
ACsnoytroony, you have admitted you have never played troonyraria.
But I love both Terraria and TotK.
I've been anti-SS but also anti-doomposting for years. SS was bad, REALLY fricking bad, I just find it weird and reductive to blame how bad it was on "the formula" as if SS was inevitable the second they made OoT.
Likewise, I don't particularly enjoy BotW/TotK.
>Zelda still getting dozens of daily threads
>terraria is now just that game that only gets brought up in anger during the Zelda threads
kek
>dozens of daily threads
most of them are bait samegay threads. this one included.
Seriously. He's been making these all day.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/667131315
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/667156370
>88 posts in 4 hours
Why is Erictroony such a pathetic subhuman?
I love Kass!
Funny how ACsnoytroony has claimed he wouldn't support Eric, and now here he is.
Disliking modern Zelda =/ supporting Eric.
>bumping his threads = supporting Eric
FTFY, ACsnoytroony.
>any thread that doesn't support my worldview is eric
I accept your troonycession, ACsnoytroony.
I told you, I knew you would never stop helping Eric defend the snoystation 5 😉
You are his cumbawd after all.
OoT was never good
>defeat ganon objective within the first 5 mins
>not Zelda