Actual consequence. Too many mystery VNs give you unlimited time to find all the clues and piece together the case. I want to be able to overlook things; to be able to think I've got it all figured out but have missed a key detail somewhere. Also, to see the end result of my mistake.
The only one I've ever played that actually came close to getting it right was KnS, but it was kinda shit because the clues were hidden behind randomly going to different locations on different days to bump into the one person who says something that lets you finally complete the puzzle.
Seems really difficult and ultimately redundant to make a game for.
How can you expect to solve a mystery without every scrap of necessary evidence? And ultimately no game could move forward. The only consequence would be you lose. Your character dies, the culprit gets away, etc. Which kinda begs the question what the difference is from a game over.
It would absolutely be difficult to make a game that functions well that way. It's just a whim of mine to be the detective but also not be infallible. I'm tired of text prompts that say shit like "Hey! We're not done investigating here!" or "Why don't we look around a bit more before leaving?" Being force-fed clues and hints all the time is boring.
I get the infallibility, but I just don't see what possible interesting consequence you'd have besides you lost/you died.
I guess Raging Loop would kinda be what you'd want since you're canonically dying and trying new things to figure out the mystery, but that's basically the same thing with extra steps.
It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Remember11 had a few bad ends where you know you've fricked up but the end doesn't come immediately. You're tempted to just reload a save at the last choice, but then you start to learn things that you otherwise wouldn't have. There are definitely ways to make your actions carry more weight, they just don't make for a game that could see widespread popularity.
I guess perhaps a game that has bad endings in it's canonicity like the Zero Escape and Raging Loop.
Though that doesn't really seem like the same thing.
Hmmm... >Green Statements: a type of statement that allows direct questioning, including probing for more information or comparing with Red Truths/valid Blue Truths. If it holds after the questioning, then it might achieve the same value as a Red truth
Only gameplay.
The entire premise of the story makes it so that the characters might as well not exist since anyone can be brainwashed into doing anything,
Why is Rain Code is D? Although the mystery was weak, there's nothing really offensive about them (compared to V3) and it had the best ending of Kodaka games (being it's actually genuinely good)
>AJ and AAI in the same tier
How?
AAI takes its sweet time to get going but once it does it's actually kind of good.
AJ starts of good, becomes almost insultingly bad and then the final case comes along and ruins the first one. I appreciate it trying to start a new story with a new cast, but it just wasn't a very good attempt and it was still about Phoenix too.
Your Turn to Die
999/PW1
DR1
DR2
PW3/PW2 (They're basically the same quality wise. 2 is slightly worse than 3 but has the strongest case of the 2)
Virtue
V3
ZTD
is ace attorney really the best here? I downloaded the trilogy recently on my 3ds but haven't gotten to playing it. I enjoyed Zero Escape the most out of all of these, both 999 and VLR. Despite VLR shitting the bed at the end, both it and 999 somehow felt the most tense and gripping, don't know why. Danganronpa obviously has a bit of a special place in my heart for being so stupidly iconic and introducing me to this whole weird genre.
Have to eventually get myself to that "Your turn to die" game I guess
The ending is gonna be completely moronic, isn't it?
Also I can't shake the feeling that there's supposed to be some sort of message about unethical science or what it means to be human, but Nankidai actually has no idea what he's trying to say.
Hope you didn't get scammed by the anon who said chapter 3-2 is releasing this month btw, it's not happening.
what's bottom left
Zero Escape.
YOU DEFEATED
Bottom right is best
second best is sara
everything else is an extraneous solution
Danganronpa has chunni appeal so its the best one
>danganshitter
What do you guys want in a crime solving VN.
Actual consequence. Too many mystery VNs give you unlimited time to find all the clues and piece together the case. I want to be able to overlook things; to be able to think I've got it all figured out but have missed a key detail somewhere. Also, to see the end result of my mistake.
The only one I've ever played that actually came close to getting it right was KnS, but it was kinda shit because the clues were hidden behind randomly going to different locations on different days to bump into the one person who says something that lets you finally complete the puzzle.
Seems really difficult and ultimately redundant to make a game for.
How can you expect to solve a mystery without every scrap of necessary evidence? And ultimately no game could move forward. The only consequence would be you lose. Your character dies, the culprit gets away, etc. Which kinda begs the question what the difference is from a game over.
It would absolutely be difficult to make a game that functions well that way. It's just a whim of mine to be the detective but also not be infallible. I'm tired of text prompts that say shit like "Hey! We're not done investigating here!" or "Why don't we look around a bit more before leaving?" Being force-fed clues and hints all the time is boring.
I get the infallibility, but I just don't see what possible interesting consequence you'd have besides you lost/you died.
I guess Raging Loop would kinda be what you'd want since you're canonically dying and trying new things to figure out the mystery, but that's basically the same thing with extra steps.
It's not necessarily a bad thing though. Remember11 had a few bad ends where you know you've fricked up but the end doesn't come immediately. You're tempted to just reload a save at the last choice, but then you start to learn things that you otherwise wouldn't have. There are definitely ways to make your actions carry more weight, they just don't make for a game that could see widespread popularity.
I guess perhaps a game that has bad endings in it's canonicity like the Zero Escape and Raging Loop.
Though that doesn't really seem like the same thing.
Basically Ace Attorney trial and investigation gameplay X Umineko gameboard rules, characterization, and narrative devices
Would make for the ultimate mystery kino.
It better include something funny about the witness testimony text being written in Green.
Hmmm...
>Green Statements: a type of statement that allows direct questioning, including probing for more information or comparing with Red Truths/valid Blue Truths. If it holds after the questioning, then it might achieve the same value as a Red truth
honestly it's danganronpa even if the first game is shit
Danganronpa has by far the highest average game quality, ignoring the spinoffs.
You can’t just keep posting this and pretend that Justice for All is on the same level as Spirit of Justice
they should both be in D tier or lower
I have no idea which of the two this is supposed to be a dig at.
AA2 is probably a bit worse, but the final case is so good that it makes up for it.
Yo where is Paranormasight?
>Danganronpa 2 in S tier
Based
So frickin zased
Danganronpa 2 is the best thanks to Hopeman
>V3
>better than THH
holy shit taste.
V3 is better than THH in every aspect except for atmosphere
Only gameplay.
The entire premise of the story makes it so that the characters might as well not exist since anyone can be brainwashed into doing anything,
Why is Rain Code is D? Although the mystery was weak, there's nothing really offensive about them (compared to V3) and it had the best ending of Kodaka games (being it's actually genuinely good)
>AJ and AAI in the same tier
How?
AAI takes its sweet time to get going but once it does it's actually kind of good.
AJ starts of good, becomes almost insultingly bad and then the final case comes along and ruins the first one. I appreciate it trying to start a new story with a new cast, but it just wasn't a very good attempt and it was still about Phoenix too.
>Investigations 2
>C rank
Did you forget to use the english patch and played it in japanese or something.
AAI2 is easy S tier, S+ tier eve.
>raging loop on C
troll pic
Correct, it's last route droppes it to D or even F
Why is Ghost Trick even here, it’s a completely different game
Don’t know but bottom 2 are, unless that’s Zero Escape or something, I heard about them but never got a chance to play it yet
ghost trick >>> zero escape (not counting ZTD) > AA > DR > whatever bottom right is > ZTD
>Ghost Trick
Other than being written by Shu Takumi, why is it there?
Never played the game Fate Averted is from
Your Turn to Die
999/PW1
DR1
DR2
PW3/PW2 (They're basically the same quality wise. 2 is slightly worse than 3 but has the strongest case of the 2)
Virtue
V3
ZTD
Ace Attorney > Zero Escape > YTTD > Ghost Trick > Danganronpa
The meteor shit ruined Ghost Trick, I was having a lot of fun before it.
is ace attorney really the best here? I downloaded the trilogy recently on my 3ds but haven't gotten to playing it. I enjoyed Zero Escape the most out of all of these, both 999 and VLR. Despite VLR shitting the bed at the end, both it and 999 somehow felt the most tense and gripping, don't know why. Danganronpa obviously has a bit of a special place in my heart for being so stupidly iconic and introducing me to this whole weird genre.
Have to eventually get myself to that "Your turn to die" game I guess
>Have to eventually get myself to that "Your turn to die" game I guess
You can wait. It's not done yet.
>dicky
YTTD is the worst because it's not FRICKING FINISHED
Ghost Trick >>> Power gap >>> Danganronpa > Ace Attorney > Zero Escape
Haven't played anything else in the genre
I like the jingle in L.A. Noire before Cole goes to town with his large ham
Mystery homies be dying already
YTTD chapter 3-1 spoilers
The ending is gonna be completely moronic, isn't it?
Also I can't shake the feeling that there's supposed to be some sort of message about unethical science or what it means to be human, but Nankidai actually has no idea what he's trying to say.
Hope you didn't get scammed by the anon who said chapter 3-2 is releasing this month btw, it's not happening.
All kino
ENTER
Really wish Ace Attorney's format was more popular. The closest thing we ever got is fricking Danganronpa.