Elden Ring without a doubt. Zelda is mostly open fields, Elden Ring has massive castles, dungeons, multiple underground caves and tons of it is optional and the world needs to be properly engaged with to find these areas.
fpbp, they're both empty wastelands littered with trash
Contrarian cope
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Elden Ring without a doubt. Zelda is mostly open fields, Elden Ring has massive castles, dungeons, multiple underground caves and tons of it is optional and the world needs to be properly engaged with to find these areas.
fricking moron, elden ring is also a shitty open field filled with trash loot and copy pasted dungeons and bosses that make you absolutely loathe exploration
>explore open world >huge dudes you can kill pulling a carrieage >cool >get into a cave >same huge dude but now with a mace >get into a mine >same huge dude but now with a pickaxe >explore other part of the game >same huge dude but now with a sword
Got old fast
Long term Zelda fan here since ALTTP. OOT and MM are my favourite video games but I didn't like BOTW but did like Elden Ring. Explain why please.
Because BoTW was a shit Zelda game and you expected to play a Zelda game with Zelda elements - but you didn't really get that.
Instead you got a generic open world game with half-assed, mediocre Zelda elements.
Whereas Elden Ring was just more of the same stuff one could expect from a typical Fromsoft game - though it also suffered from issues such as bad boss design, repetitive copy-paste enemies, and so on.
But BoTW magnified its problems by 10-fold.
Zelda is a fricking tiny game with no content my dude. My first playthrough of Elden Ring took me 150 hours. So yes, it got "exceedingly" dry because it literally has over 3x the content and size than your BOTW
BotW might be overrated but saying it has no content while sucking Elden Ring's dick is laughable. There's nothing to do in Elden Ring outside of Running around and smacking moronic enemies until they die. At least BotW actually feels like the world is at least relatively alive and there's some things to do in it other than running to Castle #1248 and killing copy pasted boss #99
>BotW has more gameplay variety in its tutorial area than Elden Ring has in its entirety.
too bad its all variety it has. the rest of the game is just more of the same for 100 hours
i have over 1000 hours in botw. elden ring was too boring for me after 40 hours to even bother finishing.
the nihilism and misery only worked in the other Souls games because they were tight experiences.
never played elden ring (I really hate the combat and button layout in souls games) botw is pretty average, it's not amazing or awful but it is really overrated.
It is funny how tendies get given a pass on this when there's literally one main enemy type in the entire tame and like 3 bosses that get reused twelve times each
Elden ring does have copy paste problems, but that's mostly because the devs made the game too big and not because they had a lack of enemy variety
BotW of course, the only thing did good was Dark Souls combat, but there's 3 other games for that, the open world on ER was awful, feels like they added it just to avoid designing the map.
Hopefully it's ER, since BOTW fricking sucked in exploration, unless you include figuring out weird combat and movement ideas, in which case, it's alright.
both were great at the start and both heavily lost all their steam not even halfway through with how much rehashed or just plainly reused content there is
open world is a fricking curse and in a decade people will look back on it like on that weird brown shooter phase of early 00s
I love BotW but ER no question, item rewards for exploration are much better, not just durability and upgrade fuel. I don't dislike shrines but ER did it perfectly by having both the small numerous dungeons as well as the large unique dungeons. Would be nice if 2 takes some inspiration from this but I doubt it.
BOTW if you enjoy fricking around with game physics and like puzzles. Elden Ring for literally everything else. Personally i found BOTW to be boring as frick, but games arent meant to be made with everyone in mind, that's how you get all the sterile "we want the biggest audience possible" games with no depth that get made today that appeal to absolutely no one
>Game of Thrones writer mentioned on every trailer >Open World, like all the cool new games >Instant gratification >memes >noooo it must be Nintendo fans
lol
Seems an unfair comparison. I had some 150h in Botw, amd haven't played ER, but if I had 500h in botw, I doubt I would everbother with an open world game again. The fact that you could evem be assed to reach 80h is amazing in that sense.
I was playing botw for the first time I stayed at a friend's place for a few days and he has a switch, and it was unironically really good I explore for a bit and find an island that strips your equipment or a huge dragon on a mountain and has friendly npc villages I like mechanics like you have to wear certain clothing to explore cold areas and the weapon durability mechanic meant I was actually using weapons I find on the field and not just sticking with the weapon I upgraded for hours of gameplay. The gliding mechanic is superior to any traveling in Elden Ring, the mechanic where you zoom in and place markers feels a lot better and imaginative than opening your map for markers ala Elden Ring. There are more colourful npcs to find which you don't need to worry about missing because of stupid placement ie npc will respawn in an area you were at hours ago and won't ever go back to. It felt good and tidy I appreciate the water not being instant death that adds a lot to my book and generally it feels a lot better to explore because in Elden Ring I am constantly afraid I will miss a weapon I like because I was so desperate to find a new weapon I actually want to use so I was exploring every corner meanwhile BOTW I can safely fly over huge swathe of land to get to the new glowy tower
The only joke is your existance. My picture shows True Games with True Gameplay. If you don't like these games then you are not a True Gamer. Turn-based "games", open-world "games", interactive moies and visual noels are not TRUE GAMES. They are full of elements that lack gameplay and have pretend gameplay for normalgays and ccasuals who like to pretend they are playing a game, but hate actually played proper games with actual proper gameplay.
Your prostitute mother should be raped to death for not aborting you when she had the chance.
The only joke is your existance. My picture shows True Games with True Gameplay. If you don't like these games then you are not a True Gamer. Turn-based "games", open-world "games", interactive moies and visual noels are not TRUE GAMES. They are full of elements that lack gameplay and have pretend gameplay for normalgays and ccasuals who like to pretend they are playing a game, but hate actually played proper games with actual proper gameplay.
Your prostitute mother should be raped to death for not aborting you when she had the chance.
BotW did exploration better. The problem is all of the shit you found was just shrines and korok seeds.
Elden Ring did the content you find better, but did the actual exploring part worse.
Not even an issue in Elden Ring.
I'd rather find a different weapon I can upgrade then another copy of one I already have because the one I already have will inevitably break.
Except you won't upgrade it, it is expensive and it would still be worse than upgraded starting gear. ER has exactly the same problem as Dark Souls and Skyrim, tons of shit but most of it is useless.
How about you actually play the game before making shit up about it?
I get you're a nintendo-only and haven't actually played ER, but this is just sad. Upgrades aren't for weapons aren't expensive at all. The beauty of ER and DS is you can choose to never change your starting weapon or armor if you want.
In BotW, it's not fun to have a weapon break after a handful of swings.
>nnnnooo you haven't played it
Pathetic >the beauty of ER is that there's no variety
Yes, that's what I said, there's no reason to loot when the Starting Gear is better, exploration and loot is awful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>n-noooo I totally played it, that's why I make shit up about a game I've never played before!
Even IF you played the game, you never changing your weapon or armor would be wholly your own fault and not the games. You probably don't even understand how weapon scaling works.
What a fricking crock I played through all of limgrave and liurnia + some while still using Lordsworn's Greatsword because I couldn't find another str weapon I wanted to use even while exploring every corner of the map, it is really cathartic playing with a bunch of weapons in BOTW after that I appreciate the durability system
This gave me a laugh. Anyone saying the weapon durability was good is the one talking a load of crock.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, totally my fault the loot is shit
Also >more accusations
Hilarious how you can't have a discussion without trying to bring me down to your level
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t-the loot is terrible!
This alone is proof you don't know what you're talking about
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nnnnnoooo you are wrong
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's the truth though. You are wrong.
Learn how weapon scaling works next time before you make shit up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>just level up on another branch
And then when I find a better weapon, I respec and repeat, right?
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
No? I never used Respec on my initial playthrough and was easily able to wield a better weapon then the early game ones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I was able to wield a better weapon >a >singular >throughout the entire game
So, we agree again, loot is pointless
2 years ago
Anonymous
There were other options that I didn't want to use at the time.
This all boils down to you not having actually played the game and being a mindless Nintendo-only shill.
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Nine or ten woah, so many, all of them varied I suppose, because how can you sustain a varied gameplay without spending a shitton of time farming grace to accomodate all the stats requirements right?
That's better then all of BotW's weapon types. There's only 4-5 weapon types in BotW counting shit like boomerangs and rods separately. All of which are mindless 1 button mashers with no varsity between weapons of the same type.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>mindless button mashers
lol you don't know how to play BotW, embarrassing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unlike you, I actual play more then just Nintendo games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You actually took time out of your day to take a picture for some moron on Ganker. The first person that has actually played botw amazing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not like I have anything better to do today.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You own the game, but you don't know how to play LMAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
>just controllers
Lmao thanks for once more proving you never played ER
2 years ago
Anonymous
But wasn't the problem that I "only played Nintendo games"? Why are you moving the goalpost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You haven't posted actual proof contrary to that
You didn't even put the date in the post so it's even less credible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>date
I wrote down your post number on an envelope, lurk more.
You own the game, but you don't know how to play LMAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he has among us plushies
Doesn't even matter if you have played ER at this point, this alone proves you have bad taste in games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>plushies
Those are plastic toys, and not mine I just think they are neat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and not mine I just think they are neat
Oh so you have bad taste and have now provided evidence that it's likely those controllers don't even belong to you, lmao.
BotW is a shit game and so is ER, but this shits just funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, only the toys are not mine, besides, even if the controllers were not mine, the claim was that I do not play Nintendo games, not that I own them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, you're a dumb homosexual just like the other guy you've been arguing with.
If you're not willing to put things you don't own yourself into the pic and then admit to it, I wouldn't put it past you to lie about everything else.
You still have shit taste for thinking Among Us toys are "neat." At least get some better taste it plastic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The toys are not mine, anon, these are the only toys I own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still have shit taste for thinking Among Us toys were "neat." What I posted before is what I would call "neat" at best.
Why so defensive, anon?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>defensive
What
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The toys aren't actually mine >But please believe the rest of it it totally is!!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not what being defensive means, probably deceptive. Btw, I have 8 of those toys laying around my house.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay zoom zoom, come back when are over 18.
2 years ago
Anonymous
cool black knight
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it came with a Solaire but I gave it away.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The weapon classes in BOTW felt different to each other and because of the durability I was actually using them all, using a spear is fun switching to a Greatsword is fun. I found a dope ice spear and used it to kill a robot way above my level and got weapons that have X2 my weapon dmg. ER I used the same weapon for hours and hours. Playing botw was a breath of fresh air to me I didn't beat it though because I don't own it I played it at a friend's. I love how little hand holding there is too such a treat coming from Nintendo
What a fricking crock I played through all of limgrave and liurnia + some while still using Lordsworn's Greatsword because I couldn't find another str weapon I wanted to use even while exploring every corner of the map, it is really cathartic playing with a bunch of weapons in BOTW after that I appreciate the durability system
>open world
BotW >exploration
Elden Ring
If you took BotW's physics and elemental interactions and combined them with ER's exploration and dungeons you would end up with the all-time GOAT
I wanted BotW to be Zelda 1 in 3d. Elden Ring ended up being almost exactly that so I prefer it over BotW
I like both games a lot though. If BotW2 has actual dungeons that you can discover organically while exploring, then it may it end up favorite open world game
Yes it does, I went through all limegrave and not a single time I changed my gear, all the shit had either straight up worse stats, or the level requirement was too high and the stats were shit for such requirement.
That gear is shit most gear is shit, I quit when Lion Artorias dropped a sword made of swords that I couldn't swing because apparently it is mandatory to level up
nta but it happened to me as well, I started with the vagabond class and literally never changed my armor or shield, I only ever changed my long sword to a claymore that you find super early in the game, same shit happened in the previous miyazaki games
Give an example
You can't because there aren't any, the best you can say is some trash nobody wants to use like the greataxe. I was very thorough with exploring I didn't replace the lordsworn until I got the Guts' Greatsword from Red Place and I didn't replace that until 90 hours later with Maliketh's Black Blade also I was just as desperate to find a cool set of heavy armor
Elden Ring is so devoid of characters and life that it ceases to become interesting once you get to Liurnia and realise the rest of the world really is just empty with some minions scattered around
Open world? Easily Elden Ring since it has more varied areas. Exploration? Easily Zelda since going to a cool location doesn’t result in a 99% chance of dying 50 times. You can argue that it’s realistic as it pertains to the world, but that just makes it worse since it makes death feel cheap since I know that sprinting past enemies to make it to the next fire is just how you explore. Death is cheap in both games but at least in BOTW you lose some progress.
Why are you talking like someone starting the game would know that I didn't start exploring Caelid until after I did all of limgrave and liurnia and good chance you'll explore Caelid starting at Sellia
There was no point using knights Greatsword because it's the exact same as lordsworn's it would be a waste of resources, also counting items that drop from enemies is moronic most won't see them drop. Anchor is shit too I did try it but it's too small and the mace/axe r1 slaps are shit most str players won't replace Lordsworn's for 50 hours of gameplay
When you say exploration what do you mean. Because to me if an open world game has no few complex areas, it's not really good exploration. So RDR isn't a great open wolrd game, neither are the GTA games. Anyway i liked Elden Ring from what i played,bhavent played BOTW. Elden Ring still has lots of issues like having so many throw away dungeons and too many open fields. The best areas feel like the Plateu because its more densely packed. Peninsula feels super throwaway and should have been cut, Caelid and Limgrave should have been smaller and combined into one because they have too much empty space. Theblakes are cool but i wish we have more explorationbin the open and the Academia was super small especially with how big it looked feom the distance (yes i did explore the rooftops, still small). The throwaway dungeons like caves and catacombs should have definitely been cut, right now they feel like a waste of time. Anyway Elden Ring is the best open world game i ever played but is mostly because i think other open world game are so shitty in their open world design.
the open world is utterly dead with no interactivity and most of what you find by exploring are samey repetitive catacombs and tunnels with usually reused enemies, bosses, enemy placement and assets
Elden Zelda bros if you kill the tutorial boss and then jump off the cliff near the start while spinning three times you unlock the Ganon horse costume.
Nine or ten woah, so many, all of them varied I suppose, because how can you sustain a varied gameplay without spending a shitton of time farming grace to accomodate all the stats requirements right?
BotW is more fun to explore but the rewards are inconsequential shut
ER is less fun to explore but you actually find things that may be useful
Elden Ring also has actual mini-dungeons to find in the world instead of shrines, and I liked that more. Both are missing something.
Yeah and then you explore a bit of Sellia, finding the Greatsword chest from there would require extreme luck but more like you would look it up the dogs are way higher level and this is after you explored all of limgrave so you'd be burnt out and want to do stormveil especially before you're too overleveled. I didn't find the Greatsword until after liurnia
The ones in the late game had some creativity fricking with your head by having floors identical to each other, but earlier ones were a drag to go through but you did it everytime in the hope you'll find something you'll actually use
Of course, all must be similar crap and that's the problem, all the shit you find is useless unless you accomodate your gameplay to fit it, guess that's good for several playthroughs, but I don't do that
You so obviously googled things, you have no reason to think the big juicy str weapon would be there you are just as likely to think it's in liurnia which is more level appropriate
>boot up botw whenever I'm chilling and bored and still find new areas hundreds of hours in
I love both er and botw but man it's pretty cool still discovering new areas in botw even if it's only another boss or korok I really hope botw 2 is more than the trailers show.
>and still find new areas hundreds of hours in
How? Past a certain point I feel like you would've traversed the entire overworld. Are you sure you're not just finding areas you forgot about?
I dunno man I use the dlc hero path shit to see where I haven't been and there are still tons of areas I never go even though I have played the game a lot on switch and cemu. The game is huge.
I'd probably say that BOTW did it better overall. Elden Ring is amazing until you get to the consecrated snowfield and then the balancing takes a nosedive Seriously who the frick thought giving Elden Beast 80% holy resist was a good idea, what the frick?
>huge sewer labyrinth that descends further and further into the earth before ending in a boss fight against a trident wielding demon >then goes even further down if you go behind a secret shrine in the boss room that leads to a sealed door containing a mad god >then goes EVEN FURTHER down to the literal roots of the world behind two invisible walls >exploring that area reveals several lore tidbits, a handful of spells and equipment, and a battle against several spiritual warriors that take their appearance based on other online players >completing a sidequest in the center of the area ends off with a huge fight against an undead dragon inside the dream of a sleeping woman
For comparison BotW's hidden dragon fight was basically an advanced version of the aim training target tests you get from Koroks
ER has a weird balance between this stuff and boring crap, some of the stuff you find is the most pointless shit ever, makes you regret spending a second trying it, but then you find shit like this, or fight one of the cool bosses. Such a shame they tainted it with shitty open world.
>ahaah just waste 200h exploring the world while avoiding the entire combat (the only form of gameplay that ER has) with absolutely no clue where the big juicy weapon is. See? That wasn't hard!
I can't stand that way of playing, I hate when a game dictates the pace, if I have to repeat an area just because the weapon I want has a higher requirement I either stop playing or ignore all the "variety", frick grinding.
That's what my character is now I have a ton of weapons in my bags, but I didn't reach this point until I beat the game I wish I could have had them to play with during the game but I was limited on resource and limited on actual-weapons-i-want-to-use something like the envoy longhorn which I love I didn't get until way late in the game
not them but you're completely free to go to Caelid from early on and frick around, it's not hard to believe someone would stumble on the Greatsword there even if they die a few times in the process
Yeah surrounded by enemies that are there to tell you this is a zone you're suppose to explore later, only like 1% of players would get the Greatsword before Godrick and only like 10% would get it before Rennala
Yes, but nintenbabs are malicious underage shitposters and will remake this thread until everyone with a different opinion gets tired of cyclical arguments.
>x and y plane >can go on any (x,y) combination of those >goes straight to an area designed to keep you away >to find a single weapon
lol you use guides and don't know how to get out of this one
I killed the one outside that guys shack but it is lower level than the others I wouldn't have the patience to kill the 2 by the Greatsword until later and I was conscious about where I should be I was already getting overleveled because of how I picked through limgrave so thoroughly
>I'd say botw did its open world better, but is still by far the worse game overall
Actually no, to elaborate on that I think it has better interactivity, but the design, and exploration as a direct result, of elden ring's is better. I'd give the edge to elden ring. Elden ring's was worth exploring, botw's was not.
Yeah and then you explore ER just to find a samey dungeon with those crawling guys, which are just remodeled thieves from DS3. The shrines in BOTW had some genuine creativity for the items you have and I felt free to fly over large swathes of land unless I saw something interesting which I appreciate I felt forced to explore every corner of ER which is my own fault but that's how it is. I found every single thing there is to find in the game
A sixth my ass they are the most numerous dungeon type, the caves and mines can be fine but I feel like they peaked pretty much at the start when the chest shits you out in the Caelid mines. I might still like ER more but botw was really refreshing but most people will have played botw first which gives a different perspective
I was actually pretty impressed by how they used their items in creative ways, usually in Zelda I would know what to do exactly in the first half second my mind automatically just knows the Zelda formula enough to know what to do.. but in BOTW I had to do a little mulling
Even if instead of imps there are skeletons it doesn't make the dungeon way more fun, there was some points where the dungeons impressed me though like how you climb on the guillotine axes to get to the ledge above or mimicking floors but mostly they were kind of a drag. Well to be honest exploring the open world can get so tedious that exploring a samey dungeon can in itself be a breath of fresh air because at least it's a contained space and I'm not exploring this big expansive plateau only to get a Nascent Butterfly or an Arteria Leaf because for some reason fromsoft thought those were rewards I to this day don't know what Nascent Butterflies are for
There's cool shit to find in BotW like the dragons but it doesn't change the fact that the actual formula and shrine hunting is extremely repetitive. In terms of actually doing a full playthrough, it's much fricking shittier. Elden Ring may be rehashed content but it's woven very nicely into a massive open world with few roadblocks.
BotW has better challenges than Elden Ring, but you're always going to get a spirit orb and a copypasted weapon. Elden Ring gameplay is very samey after a while, but you can be genuinely surprised by the rewards. Nobody expected to get an Anchor.
I'm only talking about the challenges you discover by exploring the open world (shrines & caves)
why elden ring ofcourse, i love exploring the lands between knowing 8 times out of 10 im gonna end up finding yet another lazily hacked out mini dungeon
BotW's structure was its big innovation. You have a clear final goal visible and reachable from the very start of the game and every possible direction to travel gives you real progress to becoming strong enough to go there with confidence. There's no wrong way to go so you can have true exploration.
Elden Ring proved that this structure can be copied and tweaked (The Erdtree ends up not being the real final goal but it functions the same as Hyrule Castle for the first half of the game). None of the shitty BotW clones did this right, fenyx and genshix copied the movement from BotW without the structure. But now that everyone understands the structure and why it works, BotW 2 isn't special.
I got bored of BOTW half way through and rushed to Gannon.
I played ER all the way through and hit up every major dungeon and even most of the minor stuff.
BotW excelled as a nature exploration game. I think to really enjoy it you have to be the type who doesn't necessarily care about having something to find 24/7, rather someone who just enjoys the journey. Kind of like if you were taken into OG dragonball or Avatar the Last Airbender. I loved just riding around on my horse and seeing the different biomes. Where the game has its setbacks is with the enemy variety and lack of big dungeons. The combat is enjoyable, but not really challenging or complex most of the time.
Elden Ring is great as a fantasy Knight's type quest. The fun mostly comes from the big set pieces and conquest of adversity. The nature is beautiful, but its not something you directly engage with like it is in BotW. Elden Ring's negatives would probably be for me the world design itself being very linear, as in the geography is very straight forward, so backtracking without using fast travel is a pain in the ass. Not to mention some areas are only accessible with fast travel. Another problem is that the enemies and bosses get very repetitive in their movesets and even directly being reused in their entirety. BotW has the same variety problem, but it becomes a lot more annoying in Elden Ring simply because the enemies are a lot stronger and take more time to fight.
I think if BotW 2 corrects its shortcomings, it has potential to be the superior of the three. The only thing the first game really needs is some real legacy areas like Elden Ring, a much higher enemy variety, and some more dynamic combat.
BotW invests very little effort into its homogeneously distributed content and its core gameplay isn't that fleshed out for how much it has to cover. Some minimally blocked out shrines and busywork minigames are what will occupy most of your time and then you've got barely a handful of pseudo-dungeons. It's also a vehicle for Miyamoto's practically masturbatory need to glorify Japan that got delayed after they went with Link's crossbow training instead since you are unironically receiving most of your help from a Japanese technological superpower as delivered by Japanese game devs.
Elden Ring is the culmination of all the effort From Software put into their openworld pipe dream after their initial catastrophic failure with DaS2. They have been testing stupid ideas and saving assets for 3 games at this point and the game is still loaded down with too many areas constructed from the same repeating tileset. ER is ultimately a great example of why openworld games can sometimes be too much of a good thing and why a focused approach gets the job done better since you're not bloating your scope with unnecessary padding to have better marketing.
Neither, you have no incentive to actually want to reexplore the world aside from acquiring the items you want within them. They should feel like a themepark
The actual act of traversing is no longer fun in games. Ironically, Death Stranding is one of the only games that at least tries to mix it up.
The catacombs and the mines all use the same tileset that they put together using what they learned from chalice dungeons.
The game would be better off scaled down slightly but without any of that shit.
As it stands they still contain some items which will lead me to explore all of them which will lead me to take an elevator down a mineshaft and jump down at the exact same point to get the exact same ore because this one set of models is repeated with minor variations in item placement for most of the game's many mines.
Frick you the catacombs were fun and perfectly spaced out.
They're also nothing like chalice dungeons, there's always some new mechanic or trick going on.
>half the games encounters >zombies and zombie soldiers in different color armor
Come on man we both know elden rings open world is empty and full of bullshit just like every other open world game
you can actually swim in BOTW while you fricking sink like a rock in ER, Obviously Zelda is better in terms of eploration.ER is still good, but it should have been more like the previous games.
I hate to say it, but Skyrim unironically still has the better open world than both. I liked Elden Ring the most by far as a game, but in terms of just open world, Skyrim's is easily better than BotW's and ER's.
oh right I forgot about the samegay statues in every single dungeon and the wallmasters that are reused in areas that make no sense don't forget about the reddit horn boyos
I feel like Zelda did the world itself slightly better, but it's missing the depth of the legacy dungeons that Elden Ring had, it also has worse combat mechanics.
I think they were both good, but there's still a lot of room to improve.
I love it way more than the two games the thread is about, but its open world is pretty terrible. I'd place it around the same level as botw's open world, but for different reasons.
>I'd rather have level design. All climbing and gliding everything does is ruin that.
yes, I very much prefer riding a horse for 20 minutes to get to the next dungeon with actual level design
There is nothing to Elden Ring but combat, and the combat isn't even particularly polished.They more or less just added an open world to the Dark Souls formula and called it a day.
What's the point of doing a big open world if 95% of its content is just gonna be enemies to fight? That's not open world, that's just "big map". Can't I at least get one town with friendly NPC's in it? A fishing minigame? Bandits who try to rob traveling merchants at night? Just *some* shit that gives you the illusion that this is actually a world and not just a big arena you fight hostile NPCs in? This wasn't Dark Souls 4, this was a new IP, they could have taken risks, but they didn't.
And yeah, sorry but BotW is way less static and does more with its environment than this. There's much more interactivity in that game. You can glide, you can climb, you can swim, sometimes it's hot and you need something to cool down and vice versa, you can create upwards current by setting grass on fire, you can use lightning to your advantage during fights, there's a bunch of side activities (catching horses, some minigames), crafting is actually useful (too useful), so gathering materials actually feels relevant, you can also upgrade your gear with said materials, instead of it being only upgradable with titanite or whatever.
BotW's mechanics aren't necessarily revolutionary, but they're here and they flesh out the open world more than ER does. In ER there's combat and the occasional bugged quest given by an isolated NPC, that's pretty much it. It's boring.
>Can't I at least get one town with friendly NPC's in it?
fromdrones will tell you this game is not for you if you ever bring this up, this is like the 5th game where you play as an immortal being in a completely dead and abandoned world, I understand immortality as a game mechanic but I didn't realize they were only allowed to make empty worlds as well.
BotW, obviously. It is a game all about exploration of a truly open, actually pretty darn interactive world.
Elder Rim is just another Souls-clone hack & slash game.
This was already answered in a poll a while ago where ER trashed BotW. BotW seems to get trashed no matter who it goes up against on Ganker's polls. Leads me to believe there's a lot of samegayging going on in support of BotW in threads like these.
neither
Contrarian cope
Elden Ring without a doubt. Zelda is mostly open fields, Elden Ring has massive castles, dungeons, multiple underground caves and tons of it is optional and the world needs to be properly engaged with to find these areas.
>Zelda is mostly open fields
you didn't play botw
fpbp, they're both empty wastelands littered with trash
fricking moron, elden ring is also a shitty open field filled with trash loot and copy pasted dungeons and bosses that make you absolutely loathe exploration
>explore open world
>huge dudes you can kill pulling a carrieage
>cool
>get into a cave
>same huge dude but now with a mace
>get into a mine
>same huge dude but now with a pickaxe
>explore other part of the game
>same huge dude but now with a sword
Got old fast
efpibipi
Best answer.
Because BoTW was a shit Zelda game and you expected to play a Zelda game with Zelda elements - but you didn't really get that.
Instead you got a generic open world game with half-assed, mediocre Zelda elements.
Whereas Elden Ring was just more of the same stuff one could expect from a typical Fromsoft game - though it also suffered from issues such as bad boss design, repetitive copy-paste enemies, and so on.
But BoTW magnified its problems by 10-fold.
Everything is bad, everything is bad.
botw has the better world, but there's nothing to find.
botw no question Elden Ring becomes exceedingly dry even at the halfway point
HAHAHAHAH
Zelda is a fricking tiny game with no content my dude. My first playthrough of Elden Ring took me 150 hours. So yes, it got "exceedingly" dry because it literally has over 3x the content and size than your BOTW
BotW might be overrated but saying it has no content while sucking Elden Ring's dick is laughable. There's nothing to do in Elden Ring outside of Running around and smacking moronic enemies until they die. At least BotW actually feels like the world is at least relatively alive and there's some things to do in it other than running to Castle #1248 and killing copy pasted boss #99
BotW has more gameplay variety in its tutorial area than Elden Ring has in its entirety.
Its honestly astonishing that a 6 year gam coded on a fricking Wii U is running rings are developers using high end PCs in 2022.
BOTW has the problems Elden Ring has times 20. Tooo many empty fields, too many throwaway sections, barwly any real exploration.
>BotW has more gameplay variety in its tutorial area than Elden Ring has in its entirety.
too bad its all variety it has. the rest of the game is just more of the same for 100 hours
i have over 1000 hours in botw. elden ring was too boring for me after 40 hours to even bother finishing.
the nihilism and misery only worked in the other Souls games because they were tight experiences.
>HAHAHAHAH
take your pills, schizo
I want to agree but you're clearly a Zeldagay so I'm gonna dismiss your post.
never played elden ring (I really hate the combat and button layout in souls games) botw is pretty average, it's not amazing or awful but it is really overrated.
>open world
debatable
>exploration
ER without question
for all the talk about its lack or variety BOTW is 20 times worse
It is funny how tendies get given a pass on this when there's literally one main enemy type in the entire tame and like 3 bosses that get reused twelve times each
Elden ring does have copy paste problems, but that's mostly because the devs made the game too big and not because they had a lack of enemy variety
>not listed: Spider-Man
>botw homosexuals in a two front war against Elden Ring and Genshin Impact
>loses badly on both ends
guess tenties really like that spitroast huh?
>Bringing the gacha homosexual game into the equation
Outed yourself there you loser. Both BotW and Elden Ring and leagues better than that dogshit.
BotW of course, the only thing did good was Dark Souls combat, but there's 3 other games for that, the open world on ER was awful, feels like they added it just to avoid designing the map.
Hopefully it's ER, since BOTW fricking sucked in exploration, unless you include figuring out weird combat and movement ideas, in which case, it's alright.
both were great at the start and both heavily lost all their steam not even halfway through with how much rehashed or just plainly reused content there is
open world is a fricking curse and in a decade people will look back on it like on that weird brown shooter phase of early 00s
Elden Kino no contest
>13 posters 15 posts
lol ERgays are so insecure they keep samegayging
I love BotW but ER no question, item rewards for exploration are much better, not just durability and upgrade fuel. I don't dislike shrines but ER did it perfectly by having both the small numerous dungeons as well as the large unique dungeons. Would be nice if 2 takes some inspiration from this but I doubt it.
>loot is incompatible 99% of the time
Gee so good
> ER no question, item rewards for exploration are much better
there's a reason 'dung ahead' is one of the most popular message templates.
Botw has the cooler exploration tools (climbing, swimming, gliding) while ER has way better rewards).
BOTW if you enjoy fricking around with game physics and like puzzles. Elden Ring for literally everything else. Personally i found BOTW to be boring as frick, but games arent meant to be made with everyone in mind, that's how you get all the sterile "we want the biggest audience possible" games with no depth that get made today that appeal to absolutely no one
>says this about BotW
>when ER is the biggest normalgay magnet ever, engineered to feature all the cool things kids like
Why does Elden Ring make tendies seethe so much?
>Game of Thrones writer mentioned on every trailer
>Open World, like all the cool new games
>Instant gratification
>memes
>noooo it must be Nintendo fans
lol
BOTW easily. I got bored of elden ring after 80 hours and doubt I will ever touch it again meanwhile I have over 500 hours in botw.
Seems an unfair comparison. I had some 150h in Botw, amd haven't played ER, but if I had 500h in botw, I doubt I would everbother with an open world game again. The fact that you could evem be assed to reach 80h is amazing in that sense.
Cool but I don't remember asking.
ER
Scarface: The World is Yours
I was playing botw for the first time I stayed at a friend's place for a few days and he has a switch, and it was unironically really good I explore for a bit and find an island that strips your equipment or a huge dragon on a mountain and has friendly npc villages I like mechanics like you have to wear certain clothing to explore cold areas and the weapon durability mechanic meant I was actually using weapons I find on the field and not just sticking with the weapon I upgraded for hours of gameplay. The gliding mechanic is superior to any traveling in Elden Ring, the mechanic where you zoom in and place markers feels a lot better and imaginative than opening your map for markers ala Elden Ring. There are more colourful npcs to find which you don't need to worry about missing because of stupid placement ie npc will respawn in an area you were at hours ago and won't ever go back to. It felt good and tidy I appreciate the water not being instant death that adds a lot to my book and generally it feels a lot better to explore because in Elden Ring I am constantly afraid I will miss a weapon I like because I was so desperate to find a new weapon I actually want to use so I was exploring every corner meanwhile BOTW I can safely fly over huge swathe of land to get to the new glowy tower
i saw how the enemies were coded in ER and discarded it immediately, lazy work compared to souls entries
>which shit tastes better? horseshit or dogshit?
Don't care, frick Elden Dogshit Ring and Zelda Breath of the Horseshit. Open-World = automatic shit.
I really hope that picture is a joke.
The only joke is your existance. My picture shows True Games with True Gameplay. If you don't like these games then you are not a True Gamer. Turn-based "games", open-world "games", interactive moies and visual noels are not TRUE GAMES. They are full of elements that lack gameplay and have pretend gameplay for normalgays and ccasuals who like to pretend they are playing a game, but hate actually played proper games with actual proper gameplay.
Your prostitute mother should be raped to death for not aborting you when she had the chance.
you mad
you have undiagnosed autism
You're such an autist you're literally stuttering in text you fat frick.
1v1 me irl and we will see who the autist is, weak manlet.
What a sane and approachable individual.
3 great god tier games and then you try to add in Nioh to that? gtfo homosexual nioh cant lick any of those 3 other games their boots
>filtered
seethe.
BotW did exploration better. The problem is all of the shit you found was just shrines and korok seeds.
Elden Ring did the content you find better, but did the actual exploring part worse.
>find sword
>worse than starting gear
Exploration is bad and loot is terrible.
Not even an issue in Elden Ring.
I'd rather find a different weapon I can upgrade then another copy of one I already have because the one I already have will inevitably break.
Except you won't upgrade it, it is expensive and it would still be worse than upgraded starting gear. ER has exactly the same problem as Dark Souls and Skyrim, tons of shit but most of it is useless.
How about you actually play the game before making shit up about it?
I get you're a nintendo-only and haven't actually played ER, but this is just sad. Upgrades aren't for weapons aren't expensive at all. The beauty of ER and DS is you can choose to never change your starting weapon or armor if you want.
In BotW, it's not fun to have a weapon break after a handful of swings.
>nnnnooo you haven't played it
Pathetic
>the beauty of ER is that there's no variety
Yes, that's what I said, there's no reason to loot when the Starting Gear is better, exploration and loot is awful.
>n-noooo I totally played it, that's why I make shit up about a game I've never played before!
Even IF you played the game, you never changing your weapon or armor would be wholly your own fault and not the games. You probably don't even understand how weapon scaling works.
This gave me a laugh. Anyone saying the weapon durability was good is the one talking a load of crock.
Yes, totally my fault the loot is shit
Also
>more accusations
Hilarious how you can't have a discussion without trying to bring me down to your level
>t-the loot is terrible!
This alone is proof you don't know what you're talking about
>nnnnnoooo you are wrong
lol
It's the truth though. You are wrong.
Learn how weapon scaling works next time before you make shit up.
>just level up on another branch
And then when I find a better weapon, I respec and repeat, right?
lol
No? I never used Respec on my initial playthrough and was easily able to wield a better weapon then the early game ones.
>I was able to wield a better weapon
>a
>singular
>throughout the entire game
So, we agree again, loot is pointless
There were other options that I didn't want to use at the time.
This all boils down to you not having actually played the game and being a mindless Nintendo-only shill.
That's better then all of BotW's weapon types. There's only 4-5 weapon types in BotW counting shit like boomerangs and rods separately. All of which are mindless 1 button mashers with no varsity between weapons of the same type.
>mindless button mashers
lol you don't know how to play BotW, embarrassing.
Unlike you, I actual play more then just Nintendo games.
You actually took time out of your day to take a picture for some moron on Ganker. The first person that has actually played botw amazing.
It's not like I have anything better to do today.
You own the game, but you don't know how to play LMAO
>just controllers
Lmao thanks for once more proving you never played ER
But wasn't the problem that I "only played Nintendo games"? Why are you moving the goalpost.
You haven't posted actual proof contrary to that
You didn't even put the date in the post so it's even less credible.
>date
I wrote down your post number on an envelope, lurk more.
>he has among us plushies
Doesn't even matter if you have played ER at this point, this alone proves you have bad taste in games.
>plushies
Those are plastic toys, and not mine I just think they are neat.
>and not mine I just think they are neat
Oh so you have bad taste and have now provided evidence that it's likely those controllers don't even belong to you, lmao.
BotW is a shit game and so is ER, but this shits just funny.
No, only the toys are not mine, besides, even if the controllers were not mine, the claim was that I do not play Nintendo games, not that I own them.
Nah, you're a dumb homosexual just like the other guy you've been arguing with.
If you're not willing to put things you don't own yourself into the pic and then admit to it, I wouldn't put it past you to lie about everything else.
You still have shit taste for thinking Among Us toys are "neat." At least get some better taste it plastic.
The toys are not mine, anon, these are the only toys I own.
Still have shit taste for thinking Among Us toys were "neat." What I posted before is what I would call "neat" at best.
Why so defensive, anon?
>defensive
What
>The toys aren't actually mine
>But please believe the rest of it it totally is!!!
That's not what being defensive means, probably deceptive. Btw, I have 8 of those toys laying around my house.
Okay zoom zoom, come back when are over 18.
cool black knight
Yeah, it came with a Solaire but I gave it away.
The weapon classes in BOTW felt different to each other and because of the durability I was actually using them all, using a spear is fun switching to a Greatsword is fun. I found a dope ice spear and used it to kill a robot way above my level and got weapons that have X2 my weapon dmg. ER I used the same weapon for hours and hours. Playing botw was a breath of fresh air to me I didn't beat it though because I don't own it I played it at a friend's. I love how little hand holding there is too such a treat coming from Nintendo
What a fricking crock I played through all of limgrave and liurnia + some while still using Lordsworn's Greatsword because I couldn't find another str weapon I wanted to use even while exploring every corner of the map, it is really cathartic playing with a bunch of weapons in BOTW after that I appreciate the durability system
>open world
BotW
>exploration
Elden Ring
If you took BotW's physics and elemental interactions and combined them with ER's exploration and dungeons you would end up with the all-time GOAT
best answer here.
I wanted BotW to be Zelda 1 in 3d. Elden Ring ended up being almost exactly that so I prefer it over BotW
I like both games a lot though. If BotW2 has actual dungeons that you can discover organically while exploring, then it may it end up favorite open world game
Yes it does, I went through all limegrave and not a single time I changed my gear, all the shit had either straight up worse stats, or the level requirement was too high and the stats were shit for such requirement.
That gear is shit most gear is shit, I quit when Lion Artorias dropped a sword made of swords that I couldn't swing because apparently it is mandatory to level up
>apparently it is mandatory to level up
it's an RPG brother
Nice shakashuri, think you could play it 3' up your ass?
>you are shit at moving your character around an empty map
wat, why do you keep talking as if exploration was anything other than combing the map?
nta but it happened to me as well, I started with the vagabond class and literally never changed my armor or shield, I only ever changed my long sword to a claymore that you find super early in the game, same shit happened in the previous miyazaki games
Those all fricking suck but thanks for letting me know you are absolutely fricking moronic. Guts sword isn't even in the same zone.
Give an example
You can't because there aren't any, the best you can say is some trash nobody wants to use like the greataxe. I was very thorough with exploring I didn't replace the lordsworn until I got the Guts' Greatsword from Red Place and I didn't replace that until 90 hours later with Maliketh's Black Blade also I was just as desperate to find a cool set of heavy armor
WTF I HAVE TO LEVEL UP IN AN RPG?!
Long term Zelda fan here since ALTTP. OOT and MM are my favourite video games but I didn't like BOTW but did like Elden Ring. Explain why please.
Because elden ring has fun stuff to do.
like what? there's nothing to do in ER other than fighting bosses
Exploration blows botw out of the water too, not just combat, and that's what open worlds are all about.
lmao no it doesn't
Elden Ring is so devoid of characters and life that it ceases to become interesting once you get to Liurnia and realise the rest of the world really is just empty with some minions scattered around
Chinks already mogged BoTW with Genshin, ER just takes a shit all over it.
>Exploration is great inER
>all you need is previous knowledge of what and where are all the weapons
lol
Okay and? It still sucks, all str weapons fricking suck. Don't bother replying.
Open world? Easily Elden Ring since it has more varied areas. Exploration? Easily Zelda since going to a cool location doesn’t result in a 99% chance of dying 50 times. You can argue that it’s realistic as it pertains to the world, but that just makes it worse since it makes death feel cheap since I know that sprinting past enemies to make it to the next fire is just how you explore. Death is cheap in both games but at least in BOTW you lose some progress.
elden ring. there are things you can actually discover
I lost some brain cells from reading this thread
I doubt you had any brain cells to begin with.
no u
Why are you talking like someone starting the game would know that I didn't start exploring Caelid until after I did all of limgrave and liurnia and good chance you'll explore Caelid starting at Sellia
I hope BotW2 has secrets on par with Elden Ring's
I hope it has secrets unlike elden ring.
seething
I am actually kinda chilly.
There was no point using knights Greatsword because it's the exact same as lordsworn's it would be a waste of resources, also counting items that drop from enemies is moronic most won't see them drop. Anchor is shit too I did try it but it's too small and the mace/axe r1 slaps are shit most str players won't replace Lordsworn's for 50 hours of gameplay
>not interested
>replies
lol
Last free (You), you seem to seek to have the last word, take it.
When you say exploration what do you mean. Because to me if an open world game has no few complex areas, it's not really good exploration. So RDR isn't a great open wolrd game, neither are the GTA games. Anyway i liked Elden Ring from what i played,bhavent played BOTW. Elden Ring still has lots of issues like having so many throw away dungeons and too many open fields. The best areas feel like the Plateu because its more densely packed. Peninsula feels super throwaway and should have been cut, Caelid and Limgrave should have been smaller and combined into one because they have too much empty space. Theblakes are cool but i wish we have more explorationbin the open and the Academia was super small especially with how big it looked feom the distance (yes i did explore the rooftops, still small). The throwaway dungeons like caves and catacombs should have definitely been cut, right now they feel like a waste of time. Anyway Elden Ring is the best open world game i ever played but is mostly because i think other open world game are so shitty in their open world design.
You obviously looked it up you didn't start foraging in an area with the dogs that low level, very few players would. What a moronic take no offence
Such as? And no I don't believe Luigi shows up in the game no matter how much you insist.
the open world is utterly dead with no interactivity and most of what you find by exploring are samey repetitive catacombs and tunnels with usually reused enemies, bosses, enemy placement and assets
>Uhm actually if you upgraded it it would have 2 more dmg, disregard how it looks the same is an enemy loot and has the same moveset
>knows all locations before playing the game
>god I love exploring
lol
Who are you quoting?
What kind of person explores that far without doing stormveil, I explored every corner of limgrave except bear country and then did stormveil->liurnia
railroad cattle. elden ring is max player freedom
Zelda.
Open world was wasted on Elden Ring.
Elden Zelda bros if you kill the tutorial boss and then jump off the cliff near the start while spinning three times you unlock the Ganon horse costume.
It's true they are the same nobody would be excited to have the Knight Greatsword drop when they're using lordsworn's.
Doesnt ER breaks some quests if you visit particular places or kill especific bosses?
My Nepheli died in her stupid corner you have no reason to check again in not-firelink because I lit the tree that's the only example I had happen
Don't you morons ever get tired of arguing over children's toys?
Nine or ten woah, so many, all of them varied I suppose, because how can you sustain a varied gameplay without spending a shitton of time farming grace to accomodate all the stats requirements right?
BotW is more fun to explore but the rewards are inconsequential shut
ER is less fun to explore but you actually find things that may be useful
Elden Ring also has actual mini-dungeons to find in the world instead of shrines, and I liked that more. Both are missing something.
Can I make a girl with booba in Elden Ring? If so, Elden is a better open world.
Yeah and then you explore a bit of Sellia, finding the Greatsword chest from there would require extreme luck but more like you would look it up the dogs are way higher level and this is after you explored all of limgrave so you'd be burnt out and want to do stormveil especially before you're too overleveled. I didn't find the Greatsword until after liurnia
Anyone that says they liked ER's copypasta dungeons is fricking moronic. Even the chalices in bloodborne had more variety.
The ones in the late game had some creativity fricking with your head by having floors identical to each other, but earlier ones were a drag to go through but you did it everytime in the hope you'll find something you'll actually use
Of course, all must be similar crap and that's the problem, all the shit you find is useless unless you accomodate your gameplay to fit it, guess that's good for several playthroughs, but I don't do that
How do you know there's a greatsword in that part of the game? You don't lookup shit, right
Haven't played botw but ER's open world is dogshit.
If Botw has one single village it automatically beats ER.
You so obviously googled things, you have no reason to think the big juicy str weapon would be there you are just as likely to think it's in liurnia which is more level appropriate
>boot up botw whenever I'm chilling and bored and still find new areas hundreds of hours in
I love both er and botw but man it's pretty cool still discovering new areas in botw even if it's only another boss or korok I really hope botw 2 is more than the trailers show.
>and still find new areas hundreds of hours in
How? Past a certain point I feel like you would've traversed the entire overworld. Are you sure you're not just finding areas you forgot about?
I dunno man I use the dlc hero path shit to see where I haven't been and there are still tons of areas I never go even though I have played the game a lot on switch and cemu. The game is huge.
I'd probably say that BOTW did it better overall. Elden Ring is amazing until you get to the consecrated snowfield and then the balancing takes a nosedive
Seriously who the frick thought giving Elden Beast 80% holy resist was a good idea, what the frick?
There's nothing amazing about ER's (literally) dead world.
>huge sewer labyrinth that descends further and further into the earth before ending in a boss fight against a trident wielding demon
>then goes even further down if you go behind a secret shrine in the boss room that leads to a sealed door containing a mad god
>then goes EVEN FURTHER down to the literal roots of the world behind two invisible walls
>exploring that area reveals several lore tidbits, a handful of spells and equipment, and a battle against several spiritual warriors that take their appearance based on other online players
>completing a sidequest in the center of the area ends off with a huge fight against an undead dragon inside the dream of a sleeping woman
For comparison BotW's hidden dragon fight was basically an advanced version of the aim training target tests you get from Koroks
ER has a weird balance between this stuff and boring crap, some of the stuff you find is the most pointless shit ever, makes you regret spending a second trying it, but then you find shit like this, or fight one of the cool bosses. Such a shame they tainted it with shitty open world.
Also, theres a coffin in that area that leads to yet another area.
no need to get that complex
picrel already mogs most of botw
The BotW boss fight was Aesthetically Kino though.
I liked both games, but people need to understand the artistic differences in the approaches between the two.
>ahaah just waste 200h exploring the world while avoiding the entire combat (the only form of gameplay that ER has) with absolutely no clue where the big juicy weapon is. See? That wasn't hard!
I can't stand that way of playing, I hate when a game dictates the pace, if I have to repeat an area just because the weapon I want has a higher requirement I either stop playing or ignore all the "variety", frick grinding.
That's what my character is now I have a ton of weapons in my bags, but I didn't reach this point until I beat the game I wish I could have had them to play with during the game but I was limited on resource and limited on actual-weapons-i-want-to-use something like the envoy longhorn which I love I didn't get until way late in the game
>playing the game normally
>goes to areas too high level just to find a weapon he supposedly didn't know was there
lol
not them but you're completely free to go to Caelid from early on and frick around, it's not hard to believe someone would stumble on the Greatsword there even if they die a few times in the process
Yeah surrounded by enemies that are there to tell you this is a zone you're suppose to explore later, only like 1% of players would get the Greatsword before Godrick and only like 10% would get it before Rennala
dragons dogma
>j-just go randomly exploring each inch of the big open world while avoiding to get one shot!
You pretty obviously googled where the Greatsword is, to me at least
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We already settle this debate
Yes, but nintenbabs are malicious underage shitposters and will remake this thread until everyone with a different opinion gets tired of cyclical arguments.
>x and y plane
>can go on any (x,y) combination of those
>goes straight to an area designed to keep you away
>to find a single weapon
lol you use guides and don't know how to get out of this one
And that's fricking stupid. That's like the laziest lvl design ever.
Let's make every open world a map generated by an AI!
I killed the one outside that guys shack but it is lower level than the others I wouldn't have the patience to kill the 2 by the Greatsword until later and I was conscious about where I should be I was already getting overleveled because of how I picked through limgrave so thoroughly
Both have shit open worlds, but for completely different reasons. I'd say botw did its open world better, but is still by far the worse game overall.
>I'd say botw did its open world better, but is still by far the worse game overall
Actually no, to elaborate on that I think it has better interactivity, but the design, and exploration as a direct result, of elden ring's is better. I'd give the edge to elden ring. Elden ring's was worth exploring, botw's was not.
Yeah and then you explore ER just to find a samey dungeon with those crawling guys, which are just remodeled thieves from DS3. The shrines in BOTW had some genuine creativity for the items you have and I felt free to fly over large swathes of land unless I saw something interesting which I appreciate I felt forced to explore every corner of ER which is my own fault but that's how it is. I found every single thing there is to find in the game
BotW easily.
pic related
A sixth my ass they are the most numerous dungeon type, the caves and mines can be fine but I feel like they peaked pretty much at the start when the chest shits you out in the Caelid mines. I might still like ER more but botw was really refreshing but most people will have played botw first which gives a different perspective
I will take the caves, tombs, mines, etc. with their variety of enemies, traps and loot over botw's shrines any day of the week.
I was actually pretty impressed by how they used their items in creative ways, usually in Zelda I would know what to do exactly in the first half second my mind automatically just knows the Zelda formula enough to know what to do.. but in BOTW I had to do a little mulling
Even if instead of imps there are skeletons it doesn't make the dungeon way more fun, there was some points where the dungeons impressed me though like how you climb on the guillotine axes to get to the ledge above or mimicking floors but mostly they were kind of a drag. Well to be honest exploring the open world can get so tedious that exploring a samey dungeon can in itself be a breath of fresh air because at least it's a contained space and I'm not exploring this big expansive plateau only to get a Nascent Butterfly or an Arteria Leaf because for some reason fromsoft thought those were rewards I to this day don't know what Nascent Butterflies are for
There's cool shit to find in BotW like the dragons but it doesn't change the fact that the actual formula and shrine hunting is extremely repetitive. In terms of actually doing a full playthrough, it's much fricking shittier. Elden Ring may be rehashed content but it's woven very nicely into a massive open world with few roadblocks.
BOTW give a reason to revisit the game, Elden Shit doesn't because Dark Souls 1 is better.
BotW 2 is going to destroy this board if it ever comes out.
I found the movement better in BOTW with the climbing and parasailing, but there was more interesting things to look at in Elden RIng.
BotW has better challenges than Elden Ring, but you're always going to get a spirit orb and a copypasted weapon. Elden Ring gameplay is very samey after a while, but you can be genuinely surprised by the rewards. Nobody expected to get an Anchor.
I'm only talking about the challenges you discover by exploring the open world (shrines & caves)
why elden ring ofcourse, i love exploring the lands between knowing 8 times out of 10 im gonna end up finding yet another lazily hacked out mini dungeon
in before someone cries about shrines
>inb4 someone points out shrines are a thousand times worse haha gottem
this but
>shrines
>korok seeds
>5 enemy types
>loot
>puzzles
BotW's structure was its big innovation. You have a clear final goal visible and reachable from the very start of the game and every possible direction to travel gives you real progress to becoming strong enough to go there with confidence. There's no wrong way to go so you can have true exploration.
Elden Ring proved that this structure can be copied and tweaked (The Erdtree ends up not being the real final goal but it functions the same as Hyrule Castle for the first half of the game). None of the shitty BotW clones did this right, fenyx and genshix copied the movement from BotW without the structure. But now that everyone understands the structure and why it works, BotW 2 isn't special.
>BotW2 isn't special
Nintendo understands more about BotW than anyone else, if anyone can build on top of it is them.
botw 2 is gonna make elden ring look like the shit stain on my underwear
ER is quite capable of doing that by itself
you're right it's gonna make elden ring look like the shit stain under my toilet seat
Elden Ring.
I got bored of BOTW half way through and rushed to Gannon.
I played ER all the way through and hit up every major dungeon and even most of the minor stuff.
RDR2 did better than both
did you create this scenario in your head pretty cool if true
both are shit, and I haven't played either of them
my dad works at nintendo and he said ur fricking dumb lol
Both did it well, both had negatives too though.
BotW excelled as a nature exploration game. I think to really enjoy it you have to be the type who doesn't necessarily care about having something to find 24/7, rather someone who just enjoys the journey. Kind of like if you were taken into OG dragonball or Avatar the Last Airbender. I loved just riding around on my horse and seeing the different biomes. Where the game has its setbacks is with the enemy variety and lack of big dungeons. The combat is enjoyable, but not really challenging or complex most of the time.
Elden Ring is great as a fantasy Knight's type quest. The fun mostly comes from the big set pieces and conquest of adversity. The nature is beautiful, but its not something you directly engage with like it is in BotW. Elden Ring's negatives would probably be for me the world design itself being very linear, as in the geography is very straight forward, so backtracking without using fast travel is a pain in the ass. Not to mention some areas are only accessible with fast travel. Another problem is that the enemies and bosses get very repetitive in their movesets and even directly being reused in their entirety. BotW has the same variety problem, but it becomes a lot more annoying in Elden Ring simply because the enemies are a lot stronger and take more time to fight.
I think if BotW 2 corrects its shortcomings, it has potential to be the superior of the three. The only thing the first game really needs is some real legacy areas like Elden Ring, a much higher enemy variety, and some more dynamic combat.
BotW invests very little effort into its homogeneously distributed content and its core gameplay isn't that fleshed out for how much it has to cover. Some minimally blocked out shrines and busywork minigames are what will occupy most of your time and then you've got barely a handful of pseudo-dungeons. It's also a vehicle for Miyamoto's practically masturbatory need to glorify Japan that got delayed after they went with Link's crossbow training instead since you are unironically receiving most of your help from a Japanese technological superpower as delivered by Japanese game devs.
Elden Ring is the culmination of all the effort From Software put into their openworld pipe dream after their initial catastrophic failure with DaS2. They have been testing stupid ideas and saving assets for 3 games at this point and the game is still loaded down with too many areas constructed from the same repeating tileset. ER is ultimately a great example of why openworld games can sometimes be too much of a good thing and why a focused approach gets the job done better since you're not bloating your scope with unnecessary padding to have better marketing.
The answer is neither.
This isn't even a question.
Now jump off that cliff in elden ring and glide across the world. Oh wait.
I'll take vibrant world over fortnite flying anyday troony
I accept your concessions.
If you could do that, it would take half the fun out of navigating the world in Elden Ring.
>now jump off that cliff and destroy the level design like you can in botw because it doesn't have any
>visually distinct
Different textures, but same layout.
Neither, you have no incentive to actually want to reexplore the world aside from acquiring the items you want within them. They should feel like a themepark
The actual act of traversing is no longer fun in games. Ironically, Death Stranding is one of the only games that at least tries to mix it up.
I don't understand why its so hard for devs to convey this feeling.
Love ER, but BotW had towns and cities filled with people, and it let you climb and explore freely.
Elden ring, BotW sucks.
The catacombs and the mines all use the same tileset that they put together using what they learned from chalice dungeons.
The game would be better off scaled down slightly but without any of that shit.
As it stands they still contain some items which will lead me to explore all of them which will lead me to take an elevator down a mineshaft and jump down at the exact same point to get the exact same ore because this one set of models is repeated with minor variations in item placement for most of the game's many mines.
Frick you the catacombs were fun and perfectly spaced out.
They're also nothing like chalice dungeons, there's always some new mechanic or trick going on.
What makes you think I haven't played both for hundreds of hours? You realize they are both on PC right?
Horseback ruins the game. I hate how much it trivializes exploring. Doing a no horse run makes the world actually feel pretty dangerous
haven't played botw but elden ring is fricking awful
skyrim
>half the games encounters
>zombies and zombie soldiers in different color armor
Come on man we both know elden rings open world is empty and full of bullshit just like every other open world game
you can actually swim in BOTW while you fricking sink like a rock in ER, Obviously Zelda is better in terms of eploration.ER is still good, but it should have been more like the previous games.
I'm just saying its hardcoded into the game to encourage you to abuse it. I feel like at the least it should slowly drain FP
Right the zombie soldiers in red, blue and yellow armor. Compared to the goblins in botw that are red, blue and yellow.
Can we all agree that botw and elden ring both fricking suck and open world was a mistake already
open world games can only be good the first time you play them, they become a boring slog in later playthroughs
man I guess I must have been sleeping for those 134 hours
For me, it felt like the world in ER was more alive but BotW was more navigatable. I'd say ER is better because of that, and Skyrim too
I hate to say it, but Skyrim unironically still has the better open world than both. I liked Elden Ring the most by far as a game, but in terms of just open world, Skyrim's is easily better than BotW's and ER's.
oh right I forgot about the samegay statues in every single dungeon and the wallmasters that are reused in areas that make no sense don't forget about the reddit horn boyos
Why doesn't BotW have wallmasters?
because you touch yourself at night
No, I stopped doing that years ago
Did you transition and cut your dick off?
No I just realized I wasn't getting much out of jacking off and decided to stop
Why doesn't botw have any real variety or content? Why isn't botw a zelda game?
it was rushed to meet deadlines
Botw
ER really missed that spot
Elden Ring.
Breath of the Wild.
Damn I came in my sock earlier and there were at least 200 unique sperms.
>mfw discovering Siofra river for the first time
hands down my favorite part in the game
I feel like Zelda did the world itself slightly better, but it's missing the depth of the legacy dungeons that Elden Ring had, it also has worse combat mechanics.
I think they were both good, but there's still a lot of room to improve.
both of them are boring games with no gameplay unless you take the spectacle glasses off
Now Skyrim on the other hand...
I seriously doubt you over the age of 15. I feel really bad for your parents.
>all those deleted posts
ahem
I love it way more than the two games the thread is about, but its open world is pretty terrible. I'd place it around the same level as botw's open world, but for different reasons.
at least you can climb shit in BotW, ER's world looks really good but you can't interact with it at all
>at least you can climb shit
I'd rather have level design. All climbing and gliding everything does is ruin that.
>I'd rather have level design. All climbing and gliding everything does is ruin that.
yes, I very much prefer riding a horse for 20 minutes to get to the next dungeon with actual level design
I can't tell which game you're talking about. I'm going to assume ER since you said dungeon.
BotW.
ER is just another Souls-shit game with pointless landmass wasting your time.
BotW >>>>> ER
There is nothing to Elden Ring but combat, and the combat isn't even particularly polished.They more or less just added an open world to the Dark Souls formula and called it a day.
What's the point of doing a big open world if 95% of its content is just gonna be enemies to fight? That's not open world, that's just "big map". Can't I at least get one town with friendly NPC's in it? A fishing minigame? Bandits who try to rob traveling merchants at night? Just *some* shit that gives you the illusion that this is actually a world and not just a big arena you fight hostile NPCs in? This wasn't Dark Souls 4, this was a new IP, they could have taken risks, but they didn't.
And yeah, sorry but BotW is way less static and does more with its environment than this. There's much more interactivity in that game. You can glide, you can climb, you can swim, sometimes it's hot and you need something to cool down and vice versa, you can create upwards current by setting grass on fire, you can use lightning to your advantage during fights, there's a bunch of side activities (catching horses, some minigames), crafting is actually useful (too useful), so gathering materials actually feels relevant, you can also upgrade your gear with said materials, instead of it being only upgradable with titanite or whatever.
BotW's mechanics aren't necessarily revolutionary, but they're here and they flesh out the open world more than ER does. In ER there's combat and the occasional bugged quest given by an isolated NPC, that's pretty much it. It's boring.
Pretty gud post
>Can't I at least get one town with friendly NPC's in it?
fromdrones will tell you this game is not for you if you ever bring this up, this is like the 5th game where you play as an immortal being in a completely dead and abandoned world, I understand immortality as a game mechanic but I didn't realize they were only allowed to make empty worlds as well.
BotW, obviously. It is a game all about exploration of a truly open, actually pretty darn interactive world.
Elder Rim is just another Souls-clone hack & slash game.
>not the first post from this IP
I posted twice on this thread, but you're wrong.
This was already answered in a poll a while ago where ER trashed BotW. BotW seems to get trashed no matter who it goes up against on Ganker's polls. Leads me to believe there's a lot of samegayging going on in support of BotW in threads like these.
The fact you're comparing Flavor of the Year to a game that is still discussed and came out half a decade ago should be enough of an answer.