>1 click button skills le bad
Do you wanna do fighting game motions to use a skill, you moron? I feel like I see you in every Eternal thread with a different completely moronic complaint.
>Do you wanna do fighting game motions to use a skill, you moron?
No, I want the skills to be more than just generic DPS damage dealers and have contextual use instead of me being forced to use them if I want Health/Armor/Ammo.
>too many mechanics
Are you moronic? You have equipment on cooldown in 2016. You have chainsaw for amno in 2016. You have "melee weapon to kill big enemy" in 2016. You have glory kill in 2016.
Platforming, low ammo, enemies that are unkillable unless you shoot it when I say you can, cringe reddit cutscenes, shitty ~~*lore*~~, trash dlc, probably a season pass for some reason, turning doom guy into le grim dark captain america in a gundam
>Platforming,
Was in 2016 >that are unkillable unless you shoot it when I say you can >literally 1 enemy
Ok >cutscenes, shitty ~~*lore))
Was in 2016 >turning doom guy into le grim dark captain america in a gundam >implying he wasn't le capeshit hero in 2016 already minus gundam thing
kek
>Eternal had too many mechanics other than shooting shit shoved in it
Oh no, being able to shoot fire at the monsters in addition to shooting pew pew and throwing boom boom is too much! Being able to swing from place to place to get to monster shooting faster and in a more fun way is too much!
I think 2016 has better level design. Locations feel like actual places. As far as art design goes, I think Eternal's hell is faaar better, while 2016 did human locations and weapons better.
>We're talking about the aesthetics here
Correct, moron. > Gauss Cannon >>> Ballista.
So? Shall I remind about gaylo plasma rifle? Or shitty engravings double shotgun? Or shotgun, ar and rl being straight out 7th gen goyslop?
Also another gripe against Doom Eternal, jumping from wildly differing locales every single map utterly fricks any sense of progression going through the maps. I felt like it is one of the underrated strengths of the earlier Dooms that you were actually getting somewhere as the game progresses. Completely missing that in Eternal because you'd be somewhere entirely else every one or two maps.
These games are kind of boring despite being so fast-paced. I can only play like a level at a time in both games before I get bored. That being said, haven't finished Eternal but I'd say overall it's the better game.
eternal, it just has more variety in positive and negative ways but both are bad not in terms of aesthetics or presentation etc but fundamental shootan design
lmao this is true >when you press a button something awesome has to happen.
shooters have been doing this forever, iirc the mancubus will calculate where to fire some of it's shots based on the player's movement position/direction/speed, they fricked it up in zoom by making it only this calculated fireball so you don't end up actively dodging projectiles but running around the arena in circles while fireballs barely miss merely giving the illusion of combat
Eternal is absolutely bad in terms of aesthetics. the rainbow vomit is abysmal to look at, and the Super Mario platforming sticks out like a sore thumb
yeah i'm not gonna argue aesthetics with the exception of some enemies from 2016 which look like pacific rim kaiju rejects (which hugo martin worked on), neither game looks suitably doomish but both have that AAA quality presentation...
They've taken everything that made Doom 2016 work flawlessly and just completely fricked it up with constant ammo farming, useless punches, low ammo on weapons in general, an irritating grenade/flamethrower system etc. Jesus the platforming. Doom 2016 is one of my all time favorite games, and Doom Eternal is awful. I hate this game.
>Jesus the platforming
at least it works in eternal, the moving platforms in 2016 don't update collision at the right rate so you just fall straight through them half the time, fun way to die while doing a UN run
That rainbow ammo is just embarassing to look at, first thing i did after starting the game was install a mod to make everything orange. Too bad it didnt fix the rest of the super mario pickups.
both are good in different ways, in eternal you're doing a bunch of cool shit mowing down demons in a more lighthearted but still very violent game. in 2016 you're not nearly as powerful, so instead of being super aggressive, you have to run away and take out demons one by one, any small imp can kill you super fast, and there's always something rushing behind you, so you're always in adrenaline mode fighting to survive
>so instead of being super aggressive, you have to run away and take out demons one by one
Did you even play the games? In Doom 2016, you needed to be aggressive to get ammo. The enemy AI accuracy was literally programmed to aim worse the more you moved. You needed to be moving and aggressive to play well.
there's always something running after you in 2016, imp accuracy is extremely precise and they do 50 damage on nightmare, 4 hits and you die. i never had ammo problems in 2016, only in eternal before getting the upgrades, you can get away with a lot more in eternal if you know how to use all weapons
Go look up the GDC talks where the programmers literally said AI aim accuracy was inversely proportional to your movement speed. You needed to be aggressive to get ammo because there wasn't enough ammo crates or boxes or whatever there are laid around.
you need to kill enemies to get ammo, but if you go after one in the middle of a crowd you're going to get fricked, you need to prioritize dangerous enemies and kill them when its safe, so you have to move a lot. eternal has a ton of stuff to get out when you're surrounded and i don't ever remember getting killed by an imp
2016 is more difficult in the beginning but get easy mid way through as the game hand up weapons and you unlock some broken perks. The monster late game can't truly scale up to the players in mid-late game in 2016. If you pick the right perks early, the game is a breeze
Eternal throws more shit at you at the end and while it gives up more options as the game goes by, it expect you to use all of those options and resources to get by.
It feels good with stronger and more demon show up as you get stronger and barely squeeze out the encounter every time despite of the odds.
It doesn't feel good in 2016 when even the strongest demons don't even get to do anything because how strong your tools are and how much resources you have
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Yes it does, it feels great to completely outclass monsters that used to be intimidating because you got stronger and know all their tricks, the same thing happens in eternal except the developer is constantly grabbing you by the shirt collar trying to hamstring you. It's not challenging or fun, it's just tedious.
I think Eternal in general is an easier game when you know how to play it just because you have so many get out of jail free cards.
Nightmare in 2016 also felt like more of a meme difficulty where the damage scaling is so fricked that the most dangerous things in the game are imps where in Eternal even on nightmare Imps are weak fodder.
Imps were a bit stronger in 2016, mostly due to lack of mobility for the slayer BUT it's more like the big enemies were kinda shitter in 2016 because they just get fricked by plasma stun alt into ballista/ssg combo and the 2016 plasma stun has such low cooldown compared to the equivalent ice grenade in eternal.
BFG's ammo being dropped from monsters with the perk was also broken and I can invalidate/auto-win even more encounter if I had pushed my BFG resources when I played 2016.
>finished doom 2016 100% in the summer, really enjoyed it >replayable and feels great to play, but that shit is 50 gigs on my nvme and games are getting heavy with the updates
Any reason to keep it? Should I go for another quick playthrough with all the upgrades?
Not that plot matters in this kind of game, but Eternal was so fricking weird about just adding a bunch of shit with no explanation and expecting you to get it. I felt like I missed a non-existent DLC in between 2016 and Eternal when I saw Doom Guy in his flying space castle and meeting with ghost kinds who he apparently always knew. What the frick was that?
>What the frick was that?
moronation, no other way to explain whatever the frick is going on with the Eternal "story." It was cool in 2016 to get some audio logs about how the demons were scared of Doom Guy or whatever the frick, it was neat, but in Eternal they went off the deep end 5 times over.
This. Also, collecting magic swords and conversing with space wizards really felt like a complete tonal shift from 2016. It felt like a Marvel movie. Not to mention that the DLC's were beyond atrocious. It's almost like Doom needs another soft reboot to recover from the aids that was Eternal.
Even if you ignore the absolutely moronic respawn system that removes all tension unless you self-enforce restarting the level on death: reloading adds nothing, putting essential weapons and movement abilities behind a shop is bullshit, and the minigun slows you down. Wasn't a fan.
I thought they were both good
I didn't care much for the platforming in Doom Eternal, but the campaign was still good
I thought Doom 2016 had the better campaign though.
Doom Eternal had a kinda fun round based survival mode, but it gets boring kinda quickly
if I had to choose one, I'd choose Doom 2016
D44M let's you play like a tweaked out 12 year old mainlining ritalin bouncing around everywhere switching weapons every other second if you want to. Eternal forces you to do this. There's no contest which is better.
They've taken everything that made Doom 2016 work flawlessly and just completely fricked it up with constant ammo farming, useless punches, low ammo on weapons in general, an irritating grenade/flamethrower system etc. Jesus the platforming. Doom 2016 is one of my all time favorite games, and Doom Eternal is awful. I hate this game.
But Doom 2016 didn’t “work flawlessly”, it had an ass-backwards difficulty curve and the demon numbers were way too low. The levels became a real drag by the end.
>taken everything that made Doom 2016 work flawlessly
Like punching bag tier enemies? Or perhaps uselss crouch button? Or maybe fricked up balance with way too much useless mods and runes? Or gk health recover depending on the difficulty? Or same red-grey visual level design? Or moronic secret missions? Kys
just beat Blood and it made me realize how gay Doom 2016 and most other FPS games are
nu-Doom (and especially Eternal) are constantly interrupting the flow, whether it's cutscenes, animations for picking up weapons / items / interacting with the environment, listening to some idiot like Hayden, upgrading weapons in a menu, the challenge rooms. just fricking let me play
the moronic story in Eternal was too much to bare. listening to them waffle on about utter nonsense about muh doom slayer lore and how a thousand years ago there was some war with angels who are also demons and heaven and who gives a fricking shit holy hell who takes this crap seriously, it's like 'lore' in Mortal Kombat
will do. anything else that's similar to Blood? doesn't have to be retro. Dusk seems somewhat similar, like Blood x Quake I guess
right now I'm eyeing up Ashes 2063, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Unreal, Half-Life, Quake and FEAR. also FRICK Death Wish 2.0 needs to hurry up already, waiting for it to be finished
Ashes and Aftershock are really good mods that could pass as actual games. RTCW, Quake and FEAR are essential must plays. Quake 2 is also surprisingly decent with the recent remaster.
I can't vouch for games that are similar to Blood but I can recommend a few Blood mods since you've already mentioned Death Wish. >500ml of /vr/ >Fleshed Out >French Meat 1 + 2 >Rapture >Marrow
in this image caleb would die instantly and then play the encounter again by throwing dynamite into the room and shooting the flare alt fire from outside of it
Doom 2016 made an attempt to cut the bullshit down compared to other modern shooters. But then in Eternal, they went the opposite way and put in more story bullshit, more useless mechanics, etc.
>Ganker constantly complains about how games are no longer about gameplay >Doom Eternal, a game all about arcadey fast paced gameplay, releases >"Ahh, it takes too many buttons to play" >"I actually have to switch weapons and try, enemies don't just instantly fall over when I hold down the fire button with any weapon, this is awful" >"It's too gamey"
this guy is a joke, just wait for the opening and do the rapid weapon switch combo, the shotgun > launcher > whatever it is, can't remember
more of a nuisance than a threat
Those aren't hard they're just shit, all he does is teleport around and blocks every single attack until you get that one tiny opening and do it all over again for way to fricking long.
Zoomers find this shit fun?
Winning a Starcraft tournament is not hard it's just shit, all you have to do is do find an opening at an enemy's base micro over and over again until they're dead.
>Eternal
2016 was a great game, especially at the time it launched, but after Eternal game out, 2016 feels like little more than a beta for the game that Eternal would eventually be. The only thing 2016 has over Eternal is an actual multiplayer deathmatch mode
I really don't enjoy the walk to arena > lock the doors > fight enemy waves gameplay. I loved the music and the enemy designs and everything else about 2016, but having actual fun in it completely eluded me. Never played Eternal.
I've finished Eternal yesterday and it's weird. I don't have any particular issue with the game other than the plot being absolute fricking shit that takes itself way too seriously. Gameplay wise it was satisfying and there is always something to do but I felt like the enemies weren't varied enough I guess? I don't know, I'm a sucker for high adrenaline games that never let down but Doom Eternal never impressed me even once.
It was a good experience from start to finish but it never peaked particularly high
His complaint was that the plot was "absolute fricking shit that takes itself way too seriously" and your recommendation to him was to play the DLCs where the plot goes beyond full moron?
That's also one of my biggest gripes with Doom Eternal, the plot goes full moron and takes itself entirely seriously despite being MAHVEL tier dreck at the end. Even Doom 3 had the brevity to poke fun at itself with how poor UAC's safety standards usually are, how even on Mars the usual office japes happen, and how somehow spam mail STILL gets to the highest possible security clearances. None of that in Eternal, the writers definitely thought they were writing the Doom Gospel on that one with their multiverse crap.
Shadow warrior beats all of these.
Blood has a terrible pitchfork and absurd hit scanners
Ion fury also has absurd hit scanners
Duke 3d has terrible gimmick weapons, time wasting rng puzzles
Shadow warrior is the only perfect game in the bunch
Ion Fury is way more doable when you realize that the game basically goads you into using explosives most of the time. It gives you a shitton of Bowling Bombs usually, so bloody well use it, it's +10 armor per gibbed enemy. Once you know that, it's a lot more doable as long you don't jump straight into a group of enemies.
I have to agree though that the Classic Shadow Warrior has been slept on hard though.
Absolutely fantastic game, one of the best arsenals in any boomer shooters, melee is an actual viable tool in your arsenal, great map design, and Classic Lo Wang is an unashamed Gigachad shamelessly hitting on any anime female he encounters. It's peak 90s boomer shooter.
said.
Perfect arsenal, no terrible enemies, anime girls, understated but good soundtrack
>Blood hitscanners are bad meme
only for the first few levels until you learn how to deal with it and get better weapons. there are so many ways to deal with them >dynamite bounced around a corner >tommy gun stunlocking, alt fire >baiting them to walk to you round a corner >power-ups like invincibility, reflective shots >crouching to frick with their aim >strafing so their sprite rotates to frick their aim, they only shoot when facing dead on >taking alternate routes so you can enter a room facing their backs >flare alt fire into a room
also, any time they're being shot they can't shoot at you. it's a matter of knowing when to pressure them and when to play it tactically
not really. trying to use dynamite all the time is risky since you can end up blowing your own face off if it hits a wall, or if an enemy pops round a corner and into the dynamite point blank
that's just a thing of basic situational awareness, if a cultist is too close maybe wait for them at the corner, but that isn't some deep strategic gameplay, that's just hotline miami 2
i honestly don't get blood's praise outside of some neat level design, cultists are the only engaging enemy to fight but they turn the game into fricked up worse rainbow six
Ion Fury is way more doable when you realize that the game basically goads you into using explosives most of the time. It gives you a shitton of Bowling Bombs usually, so bloody well use it, it's +10 armor per gibbed enemy. Once you know that, it's a lot more doable as long you don't jump straight into a group of enemies.
I have to agree though that the Classic Shadow Warrior has been slept on hard though.
Absolutely fantastic game, one of the best arsenals in any boomer shooters, melee is an actual viable tool in your arsenal, great map design, and Classic Lo Wang is an unashamed Gigachad shamelessly hitting on any anime female he encounters. It's peak 90s boomer shooter.
It always surprises me to hear people actually think 2016 was better than eternal. Outside of preferential stuff like story and aesthetics I thought Doom Eternal was a clear improvement in every way. I've beaten it 5 times. It's the only games I've completed more than once as an adult. A game that is actually a game and not an interactive movie, a rarity in today's landscape.
There is something I don't understand about high level Eternal play : how the frick do you switch weapons like a spastic so often?
This is something I can manage with three to four weapons, but cycle between every weapon among fricking 8 or 9 of them? And by cycle I mean switch between every shot, like ADHD shit.
I feel like it'd be easy on a MMO mouse with side buttons for each weapon but switching with the 123456789 while moving with WASD feels completely clunky once you start getting to 5.
how did people play competitive arena shooters with about as many weapons? they set special binds for the latter (more powerful) few weapons so they can access them next to their movement keys. It doesn't bother me at all because it's fun to constantly have control over how you're fighting, keeps things fresh when you can instantly whip out microwave beam for a finisher just because it's fun
You can also just get used to it especially if you're naturally dexterous, I don'tfind it hard to piano that shit with default binds
I'm used to competitive arena shooter but none of them require to switch as often as Eternal though because depending on the range you're at you won't cycle through all of your weapons. Meanwhile Eternal may require you to use literally everything at any time and in-between shots especially. In traditional arena FPS like Quake you don't do much more than a quick railgun switch most of the time (even at high level like the infamous rapha cooler duel).
2016 didn't make me physically sick within two hours so it wins by default.
Eternal is the gamiest game I've played within the past few years what with the bizarre forced platforming, the daemons that can, for all practical purposes, only be killed in one specific way, the six gorillion different kinds of pickup, and so on and so forth.
Even if you put aside the gaminess, the actual mechanics induce suffering. The glory kills interrupt the flow of the gameplay and get old after a while, your basic melee does dick-all damage for some reason, and you have a strangely small ammo reserve.
The story is completely fricked. I have no idea what's going on so I won't comment on it.
I didn't even pay for the game and I feel ripped off. This is what people were hyping up as a legendary FPS and the crowning work of a venerable series?
Sorry, captain. This isn't it.
Each demon needing to be killed with one weapon is a fricking meme, the super shotgun is so strong you can use it against most enemies especially the ones weak to the chaingun
>the daemons that can, for all practical purposes, only be killed in one specific way
I swear most of the people on this board who complain about games have never actually played them
>attack cacodemon without grenading it to trigger the finisher stagger >it eats all of your ammo and/or its friends rape you >attack the guy with the gun-harness without precision bolting its guns >get shot and die because no hitstun lmao
>attack cacodemon without grenading it to trigger the finisher stagger >it eats all of your ammo and/or its friends rape you
You must have sub 10% accuracy if a cacodemon eats all your ammo. It's also literally the one enemy that has a special interaction like that which lets you kill it faster. >attack the guy with the gun-harness without precision bolting its guns >get shot and die because no hitstun lmao
Every enemy attack is a projectile you can dodge, you don't need the enemies to be completely helpless due to hitstun to win.
The fact that the first slayer gate in the game is specifically rigged to be borderline impossible to beat with your level of gear is highly homosexual.
Doom 2016 is way harder than eternal, eternal already gives you enough tools to survive. Also whats the point of reworking the a single encounter in the dlc for shitters who boast how hard it is
I refuse to believe people sincerely think 2016 is some kind of FPS masterpiece. The game has good presentation but the balance is all over the place and the encounter design is dull.
Yeah, I didn't. It was a disappointment. They had something solid with 2016 and then they Black personed it up.
>Eternal had too many mechanics other than shooting shit shoved in it
Oh no, being able to shoot fire at the monsters in addition to shooting pew pew and throwing boom boom is too much! Being able to swing from place to place to get to monster shooting faster and in a more fun way is too much!
>Immediately start Eternal after it >Wtf what are all these bullshit changes >Why are the aesthetics worse >Why don't I have any ammo >Where is the pistol >Refund
>One year later >Try Eternal again on a sale >Actually attempt to learn the new flow of the game and how to use the new mechanics >Have a blast >Recognize the gameplay is actually better than 2016's even though it's worse visually/plot wise
This thread is very unsurprising to me, I know exactly where people are complaining about Eternal are coming from because playing it after 2016 feels horrible. If you have recently beaten 2016, give it some time and try Eternal again once you have lost all your 2016 muscle memory.
2016 has better writing and aesthetics
Eternal is superior in everything else
>Eternal is superior in everything else
God no. Eternal had too many mechanics other than shooting shit shoved in it. It's quintessential zoomer-bait.
>gramps can't handle more than 2 buttons
>1 click button skills ala Overwatch
>Good
wienersucking moron
Almost like homosexuals and trannies go to hell or something!
Overwatch wasn't the first game with abilities on a cooldown
But that's where Hugo Martin got the idea.
>1 click button skills le bad
Do you wanna do fighting game motions to use a skill, you moron? I feel like I see you in every Eternal thread with a different completely moronic complaint.
>Do you wanna do fighting game motions to use a skill, you moron?
No, I want the skills to be more than just generic DPS damage dealers and have contextual use instead of me being forced to use them if I want Health/Armor/Ammo.
boomers have the most embarrassing takes ever, just take some Adderall and painkillers old man
>Attacks the speaker, not the argument
Classic
it's called ad hominem, and your argument isn't something to respond to, it's to made fun of, quintessential lols-bait as you would say
No, I said there were too many mechanics shoved in it other than shooting shit.
>too many mechanics
Are you moronic? You have equipment on cooldown in 2016. You have chainsaw for amno in 2016. You have "melee weapon to kill big enemy" in 2016. You have glory kill in 2016.
Platforming, low ammo, enemies that are unkillable unless you shoot it when I say you can, cringe reddit cutscenes, shitty ~~*lore*~~, trash dlc, probably a season pass for some reason, turning doom guy into le grim dark captain america in a gundam
>Platforming,
Was in 2016
>that are unkillable unless you shoot it when I say you can
>literally 1 enemy
Ok
>cutscenes, shitty ~~*lore))
Was in 2016
>turning doom guy into le grim dark captain america in a gundam
>implying he wasn't le capeshit hero in 2016 already minus gundam thing
kek
So they both suck, I never said either were good just that eternal was worse
Platforming was better in 2016 and so was everything else
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>Eternal had too many mechanics other than shooting shit shoved in it
Oh no, being able to shoot fire at the monsters in addition to shooting pew pew and throwing boom boom is too much! Being able to swing from place to place to get to monster shooting faster and in a more fun way is too much!
YOOOO THIS GAMEPLAY FIRE
Nani the frick is that? HL1 + Doom eternal + Doom 2.
What is the name of this mod, I want more gameplay of it
what's with the ZAAAAAA WARDOOO at the end
umm sweaty it's called a glory kill
K-kino…
so old=good ?
Old good stuff better than new bad stuff.
I think 2016 has better level design. Locations feel like actual places. As far as art design goes, I think Eternal's hell is faaar better, while 2016 did human locations and weapons better.
>2016
>weapons
>better
lmao
We're talking about the aesthetics here, not gameplay or feel. Gauss Cannon >>> Ballista.
>We're talking about the aesthetics here
Correct, moron.
> Gauss Cannon >>> Ballista.
So? Shall I remind about gaylo plasma rifle? Or shitty engravings double shotgun? Or shotgun, ar and rl being straight out 7th gen goyslop?
Also another gripe against Doom Eternal, jumping from wildly differing locales every single map utterly fricks any sense of progression going through the maps. I felt like it is one of the underrated strengths of the earlier Dooms that you were actually getting somewhere as the game progresses. Completely missing that in Eternal because you'd be somewhere entirely else every one or two maps.
>I felt like it is one of the underrated strengths of the earlier Dooms that you were actually getting somewhere as the game progresses.
LOOOOOOOOL
it's moronic to ask because there's no right answer
These games are kind of boring despite being so fast-paced. I can only play like a level at a time in both games before I get bored. That being said, haven't finished Eternal but I'd say overall it's the better game.
the press E for a 1 minute suck to completion cutscene thing makes both games worthless
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eternal, it just has more variety in positive and negative ways but both are bad not in terms of aesthetics or presentation etc but fundamental shootan design
lmao this is true
>when you press a button something awesome has to happen.
shooters have been doing this forever, iirc the mancubus will calculate where to fire some of it's shots based on the player's movement position/direction/speed, they fricked it up in zoom by making it only this calculated fireball so you don't end up actively dodging projectiles but running around the arena in circles while fireballs barely miss merely giving the illusion of combat
Eternal is absolutely bad in terms of aesthetics. the rainbow vomit is abysmal to look at, and the Super Mario platforming sticks out like a sore thumb
As opposed to 2016 stream of piss?
yeah i'm not gonna argue aesthetics with the exception of some enemies from 2016 which look like pacific rim kaiju rejects (which hugo martin worked on), neither game looks suitably doomish but both have that AAA quality presentation...
>Jesus the platforming
at least it works in eternal, the moving platforms in 2016 don't update collision at the right rate so you just fall straight through them half the time, fun way to die while doing a UN run
However, they appear very little in 2016. In Eternal they interrupt the progress every few minutes.
That rainbow ammo is just embarassing to look at, first thing i did after starting the game was install a mod to make everything orange. Too bad it didnt fix the rest of the super mario pickups.
Just zoomer-bait, ADHD color spamming. Like RGB lights for your video games instead of PC fans.
>WOW LOOK AT THE COLORS. THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
>Watch a cutscene for ammo
>watch a cut scene for health
lol gay
In OG mancs don’t calculate anything, the just always fire a shot off to the side.
I like that doom just plays the story straight and that it's just a shooter through and through instead of a monkey bar platformer.
both are good in different ways, in eternal you're doing a bunch of cool shit mowing down demons in a more lighthearted but still very violent game. in 2016 you're not nearly as powerful, so instead of being super aggressive, you have to run away and take out demons one by one, any small imp can kill you super fast, and there's always something rushing behind you, so you're always in adrenaline mode fighting to survive
>so instead of being super aggressive, you have to run away and take out demons one by one
Did you even play the games? In Doom 2016, you needed to be aggressive to get ammo. The enemy AI accuracy was literally programmed to aim worse the more you moved. You needed to be moving and aggressive to play well.
there's always something running after you in 2016, imp accuracy is extremely precise and they do 50 damage on nightmare, 4 hits and you die. i never had ammo problems in 2016, only in eternal before getting the upgrades, you can get away with a lot more in eternal if you know how to use all weapons
Go look up the GDC talks where the programmers literally said AI aim accuracy was inversely proportional to your movement speed. You needed to be aggressive to get ammo because there wasn't enough ammo crates or boxes or whatever there are laid around.
you need to kill enemies to get ammo, but if you go after one in the middle of a crowd you're going to get fricked, you need to prioritize dangerous enemies and kill them when its safe, so you have to move a lot. eternal has a ton of stuff to get out when you're surrounded and i don't ever remember getting killed by an imp
2016 is more difficult in the beginning but get easy mid way through as the game hand up weapons and you unlock some broken perks. The monster late game can't truly scale up to the players in mid-late game in 2016. If you pick the right perks early, the game is a breeze
Eternal throws more shit at you at the end and while it gives up more options as the game goes by, it expect you to use all of those options and resources to get by.
I would call that good progression as you actually get stronger as the game goes on, you are doom guy, the demons fear you for a reason
It feels good with stronger and more demon show up as you get stronger and barely squeeze out the encounter every time despite of the odds.
It doesn't feel good in 2016 when even the strongest demons don't even get to do anything because how strong your tools are and how much resources you have
Yes it does, it feels great to completely outclass monsters that used to be intimidating because you got stronger and know all their tricks, the same thing happens in eternal except the developer is constantly grabbing you by the shirt collar trying to hamstring you. It's not challenging or fun, it's just tedious.
I think Eternal in general is an easier game when you know how to play it just because you have so many get out of jail free cards.
Nightmare in 2016 also felt like more of a meme difficulty where the damage scaling is so fricked that the most dangerous things in the game are imps where in Eternal even on nightmare Imps are weak fodder.
Imps were a bit stronger in 2016, mostly due to lack of mobility for the slayer BUT it's more like the big enemies were kinda shitter in 2016 because they just get fricked by plasma stun alt into ballista/ssg combo and the 2016 plasma stun has such low cooldown compared to the equivalent ice grenade in eternal.
BFG's ammo being dropped from monsters with the perk was also broken and I can invalidate/auto-win even more encounter if I had pushed my BFG resources when I played 2016.
where is the next game anyways
uh that was supposed to be the last game in the series
>finished doom 2016 100% in the summer, really enjoyed it
>replayable and feels great to play, but that shit is 50 gigs on my nvme and games are getting heavy with the updates
Any reason to keep it? Should I go for another quick playthrough with all the upgrades?
2016's intro is so fricking kino bros, the E1M1, the fricking shotgun click
2016 without question
ZOOM 2016
Eternal made SOME improvements, but 2016 is still more fun
2016
2016
Not that plot matters in this kind of game, but Eternal was so fricking weird about just adding a bunch of shit with no explanation and expecting you to get it. I felt like I missed a non-existent DLC in between 2016 and Eternal when I saw Doom Guy in his flying space castle and meeting with ghost kinds who he apparently always knew. What the frick was that?
>What the frick was that?
moronation, no other way to explain whatever the frick is going on with the Eternal "story." It was cool in 2016 to get some audio logs about how the demons were scared of Doom Guy or whatever the frick, it was neat, but in Eternal they went off the deep end 5 times over.
This. Also, collecting magic swords and conversing with space wizards really felt like a complete tonal shift from 2016. It felt like a Marvel movie. Not to mention that the DLC's were beyond atrocious. It's almost like Doom needs another soft reboot to recover from the aids that was Eternal.
2016 is not replayable at all for me.
eternal felt too video gamey
2016 was more grounded if that makes sense
I liked it more
They're both shit
You know I never noticed that those imps look REALLY homosexual
I wish Doom 2016 wasn't 90 gigabytes.
Opinions on prodeus?
Even if you ignore the absolutely moronic respawn system that removes all tension unless you self-enforce restarting the level on death: reloading adds nothing, putting essential weapons and movement abilities behind a shop is bullshit, and the minigun slows you down. Wasn't a fan.
I thought they were both good
I didn't care much for the platforming in Doom Eternal, but the campaign was still good
I thought Doom 2016 had the better campaign though.
Doom Eternal had a kinda fun round based survival mode, but it gets boring kinda quickly
if I had to choose one, I'd choose Doom 2016
D44M let's you play like a tweaked out 12 year old mainlining ritalin bouncing around everywhere switching weapons every other second if you want to. Eternal forces you to do this. There's no contest which is better.
i prefer neither and own both of them
They've taken everything that made Doom 2016 work flawlessly and just completely fricked it up with constant ammo farming, useless punches, low ammo on weapons in general, an irritating grenade/flamethrower system etc. Jesus the platforming. Doom 2016 is one of my all time favorite games, and Doom Eternal is awful. I hate this game.
>useless punches,
>breaks weakpoints and cybermanc armor
>deals massive damage to dh
>instakill pinkie
>aoe shockwave
>useless
Ngmi
You're talking about the special punch he acquires late game. Initially you can't kill a simple zombie using punches.
>late game
>literally located on a second level
>late game
What did he mean by this
But Doom 2016 didn’t “work flawlessly”, it had an ass-backwards difficulty curve and the demon numbers were way too low. The levels became a real drag by the end.
>taken everything that made Doom 2016 work flawlessly
Like punching bag tier enemies? Or perhaps uselss crouch button? Or maybe fricked up balance with way too much useless mods and runes? Or gk health recover depending on the difficulty? Or same red-grey visual level design? Or moronic secret missions? Kys
Eternal by a country mile.
just beat Blood and it made me realize how gay Doom 2016 and most other FPS games are
nu-Doom (and especially Eternal) are constantly interrupting the flow, whether it's cutscenes, animations for picking up weapons / items / interacting with the environment, listening to some idiot like Hayden, upgrading weapons in a menu, the challenge rooms. just fricking let me play
the moronic story in Eternal was too much to bare. listening to them waffle on about utter nonsense about muh doom slayer lore and how a thousand years ago there was some war with angels who are also demons and heaven and who gives a fricking shit holy hell who takes this crap seriously, it's like 'lore' in Mortal Kombat
You should play Ion Fury and it's expansion Aftershock next. It's not as good as Blood but it's the closest you'll get to a Duke Nukem sequel.
will do. anything else that's similar to Blood? doesn't have to be retro. Dusk seems somewhat similar, like Blood x Quake I guess
right now I'm eyeing up Ashes 2063, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Unreal, Half-Life, Quake and FEAR. also FRICK Death Wish 2.0 needs to hurry up already, waiting for it to be finished
Ashes and Aftershock are really good mods that could pass as actual games. RTCW, Quake and FEAR are essential must plays. Quake 2 is also surprisingly decent with the recent remaster.
I can't vouch for games that are similar to Blood but I can recommend a few Blood mods since you've already mentioned Death Wish.
>500ml of /vr/
>Fleshed Out
>French Meat 1 + 2
>Rapture
>Marrow
in this image caleb would die instantly and then play the encounter again by throwing dynamite into the room and shooting the flare alt fire from outside of it
Doom 2016 made an attempt to cut the bullshit down compared to other modern shooters. But then in Eternal, they went the opposite way and put in more story bullshit, more useless mechanics, etc.
>more useless mechanics
moron
>Posts a game about cheesing hitscanners around corners
you worthless moron
>Ganker constantly complains about how games are no longer about gameplay
>Doom Eternal, a game all about arcadey fast paced gameplay, releases
>"Ahh, it takes too many buttons to play"
>"I actually have to switch weapons and try, enemies don't just instantly fall over when I hold down the fire button with any weapon, this is awful"
>"It's too gamey"
>nu-gameplay
Just wait until the next DOOM game. Ganker is contrarian enough to say that a DOOM game with unskippable cutscenes (2016) is better than Eternal.
These threads really prove he filtered Ganker
this guy is a joke, just wait for the opening and do the rapid weapon switch combo, the shotgun > launcher > whatever it is, can't remember
more of a nuisance than a threat
>massive seething
>it's just red light green light gameplay
can't believe there are people moronic enough to find him difficult
Those aren't hard they're just shit, all he does is teleport around and blocks every single attack until you get that one tiny opening and do it all over again for way to fricking long.
Zoomers find this shit fun?
Winning a Starcraft tournament is not hard it's just shit, all you have to do is do find an opening at an enemy's base micro over and over again until they're dead.
2016 because I dont have to chainsaw some shitty zombie every 5 seconds for ammo
>Eternal
2016 was a great game, especially at the time it launched, but after Eternal game out, 2016 feels like little more than a beta for the game that Eternal would eventually be. The only thing 2016 has over Eternal is an actual multiplayer deathmatch mode
>2016 has over Eternal is an actual multiplayer deathmatch mode
Also arcade mode
I really don't enjoy the walk to arena > lock the doors > fight enemy waves gameplay. I loved the music and the enemy designs and everything else about 2016, but having actual fun in it completely eluded me. Never played Eternal.
sometimes less is more and thats why 2016 is better
2016 by a large margin. Eternal got away from the core gameplay of just fricking shooting shit.
Quake 2 > Quake > Doom > Zoom 2016 > Doom3 > Rage > Doom2 > Zoom eternal > Wolfenstein 3D
You should really delete this embarrassment of a post.
>Zoom
k
Blood > everything else
Why does every enemy in Blood take 200 pitchfork stabs?
In shadow warrior you actually use the sword because the game has any semblance of balance
the pitchfork is for zombies, spiders, rats, sometimes even a cultist if you're low on ammo and can get the drop on one
I play DOOM to play an FPS
Eternal is an action game, not an FPS
moron
I've finished Eternal yesterday and it's weird. I don't have any particular issue with the game other than the plot being absolute fricking shit that takes itself way too seriously. Gameplay wise it was satisfying and there is always something to do but I felt like the enemies weren't varied enough I guess? I don't know, I'm a sucker for high adrenaline games that never let down but Doom Eternal never impressed me even once.
It was a good experience from start to finish but it never peaked particularly high
Play DLCs then.
I did. I fricking hated the Spirit, what a bullshit enemy.
His complaint was that the plot was "absolute fricking shit that takes itself way too seriously" and your recommendation to him was to play the DLCs where the plot goes beyond full moron?
That's also one of my biggest gripes with Doom Eternal, the plot goes full moron and takes itself entirely seriously despite being MAHVEL tier dreck at the end. Even Doom 3 had the brevity to poke fun at itself with how poor UAC's safety standards usually are, how even on Mars the usual office japes happen, and how somehow spam mail STILL gets to the highest possible security clearances. None of that in Eternal, the writers definitely thought they were writing the Doom Gospel on that one with their multiverse crap.
That’s a minor complaint at best in a game like Doom.
Shadow warrior beats all of these.
Blood has a terrible pitchfork and absurd hit scanners
Ion fury also has absurd hit scanners
Duke 3d has terrible gimmick weapons, time wasting rng puzzles
Shadow warrior is the only perfect game in the bunch
I've only played the 2013 one and really liked it.
How different is the original?
Its great, basically what
said.
Perfect arsenal, no terrible enemies, anime girls, understated but good soundtrack
>Blood hitscanners are bad meme
only for the first few levels until you learn how to deal with it and get better weapons. there are so many ways to deal with them
>dynamite bounced around a corner
>tommy gun stunlocking, alt fire
>baiting them to walk to you round a corner
>power-ups like invincibility, reflective shots
>crouching to frick with their aim
>strafing so their sprite rotates to frick their aim, they only shoot when facing dead on
>taking alternate routes so you can enter a room facing their backs
>flare alt fire into a room
also, any time they're being shot they can't shoot at you. it's a matter of knowing when to pressure them and when to play it tactically
I love the crouching aspect in blood but most of the other things here are situational. Meaning its dynamite corner abuse the game
you just listed a bunch of things that are either situational or pointlessly more dangerous than abusing explosives
not really. trying to use dynamite all the time is risky since you can end up blowing your own face off if it hits a wall, or if an enemy pops round a corner and into the dynamite point blank
that's just a thing of basic situational awareness, if a cultist is too close maybe wait for them at the corner, but that isn't some deep strategic gameplay, that's just hotline miami 2
i honestly don't get blood's praise outside of some neat level design, cultists are the only engaging enemy to fight but they turn the game into fricked up worse rainbow six
Ion Fury is way more doable when you realize that the game basically goads you into using explosives most of the time. It gives you a shitton of Bowling Bombs usually, so bloody well use it, it's +10 armor per gibbed enemy. Once you know that, it's a lot more doable as long you don't jump straight into a group of enemies.
I have to agree though that the Classic Shadow Warrior has been slept on hard though.
Absolutely fantastic game, one of the best arsenals in any boomer shooters, melee is an actual viable tool in your arsenal, great map design, and Classic Lo Wang is an unashamed Gigachad shamelessly hitting on any anime female he encounters. It's peak 90s boomer shooter.
Ion Furry has absolutely zero hitscanners. All attacks are projectiles that you can dodge by circle-strafing.
2016 better atmosphere and story eternal better gameplay loop eternal storie tries too hard
2016
I liked both games and they are different experiences, but doom 4 is overall the most consistent quality
I got filtered by everything past Marauder. Playing bop-it zip-it twerk-it whack-a-mole was too much for me.
It always surprises me to hear people actually think 2016 was better than eternal. Outside of preferential stuff like story and aesthetics I thought Doom Eternal was a clear improvement in every way. I've beaten it 5 times. It's the only games I've completed more than once as an adult. A game that is actually a game and not an interactive movie, a rarity in today's landscape.
There is something I don't understand about high level Eternal play : how the frick do you switch weapons like a spastic so often?
This is something I can manage with three to four weapons, but cycle between every weapon among fricking 8 or 9 of them? And by cycle I mean switch between every shot, like ADHD shit.
I feel like it'd be easy on a MMO mouse with side buttons for each weapon but switching with the 123456789 while moving with WASD feels completely clunky once you start getting to 5.
how did people play competitive arena shooters with about as many weapons? they set special binds for the latter (more powerful) few weapons so they can access them next to their movement keys. It doesn't bother me at all because it's fun to constantly have control over how you're fighting, keeps things fresh when you can instantly whip out microwave beam for a finisher just because it's fun
You can also just get used to it especially if you're naturally dexterous, I don'tfind it hard to piano that shit with default binds
I'm used to competitive arena shooter but none of them require to switch as often as Eternal though because depending on the range you're at you won't cycle through all of your weapons. Meanwhile Eternal may require you to use literally everything at any time and in-between shots especially. In traditional arena FPS like Quake you don't do much more than a quick railgun switch most of the time (even at high level like the infamous rapha cooler duel).
Eternal by far
Here's what your average bloodshitter gameplay looks like, by the way. I can't believe there's gays unironically insisting it's better than Eternal.
>playing on the easiest difficulty
wtf I hate Blood now
why is pc so small
is he a manlet or what
Yes
it's a mark of a great game when people on the internet continue regularly trolling over it 4 years after launch
2016
>Doom 2016 was kept alive thanks to SnapMap
>Don't even add it to Eternal
>Game is fricking dead online wise
What were they thinking?
Trick question they both suck
Bingo
2016 didn't make me physically sick within two hours so it wins by default.
Eternal is the gamiest game I've played within the past few years what with the bizarre forced platforming, the daemons that can, for all practical purposes, only be killed in one specific way, the six gorillion different kinds of pickup, and so on and so forth.
Even if you put aside the gaminess, the actual mechanics induce suffering. The glory kills interrupt the flow of the gameplay and get old after a while, your basic melee does dick-all damage for some reason, and you have a strangely small ammo reserve.
The story is completely fricked. I have no idea what's going on so I won't comment on it.
I didn't even pay for the game and I feel ripped off. This is what people were hyping up as a legendary FPS and the crowning work of a venerable series?
Sorry, captain. This isn't it.
Each demon needing to be killed with one weapon is a fricking meme, the super shotgun is so strong you can use it against most enemies especially the ones weak to the chaingun
If you do that you'll constantly be out of ammo because Eternal is against you having fun without stopping to chainsaw something every two seconds
>the daemons that can, for all practical purposes, only be killed in one specific way
I swear most of the people on this board who complain about games have never actually played them
>attack cacodemon without grenading it to trigger the finisher stagger
>it eats all of your ammo and/or its friends rape you
>attack the guy with the gun-harness without precision bolting its guns
>get shot and die because no hitstun lmao
>attack cacodemon without grenading it to trigger the finisher stagger
>it eats all of your ammo and/or its friends rape you
You must have sub 10% accuracy if a cacodemon eats all your ammo. It's also literally the one enemy that has a special interaction like that which lets you kill it faster.
>attack the guy with the gun-harness without precision bolting its guns
>get shot and die because no hitstun lmao
Every enemy attack is a projectile you can dodge, you don't need the enemies to be completely helpless due to hitstun to win.
There is hitstun literally it’s in the fricking game
Play the fricking game
2016 is legit better
The fact that the first slayer gate in the game is specifically rigged to be borderline impossible to beat with your level of gear is highly homosexual.
>this is the kind of person who complains about DE
Literally just spam stickies on fodder and then use plasma
Doom 2016 is way harder than eternal, eternal already gives you enough tools to survive. Also whats the point of reworking the a single encounter in the dlc for shitters who boast how hard it is
ITT: Boomer tears
pretty sure Doom 3 predates the bing bing wahoo phrase
>Blood
Last time I checked all the ports were kinda fricked. If I were to play the game today, what would be the best way?
install deathwish mod
BloodGDX or NBlood
actually, seems like NotBlood might be the best. it's a fork of NBlood and seems superior
https://github.com/clipmove/NotBlood
I refuse to believe that people sincerely enjoy Eternal.
>DIFFERENT OPINIONS SCARE ME!!!!!!!!!!
I refuse to believe people sincerely think 2016 is some kind of FPS masterpiece. The game has good presentation but the balance is all over the place and the encounter design is dull.
I refuse to believe that people sincerely don't enjoy Eternal.
Yeah, I didn't. It was a disappointment. They had something solid with 2016 and then they Black personed it up.
These posts read like a homosexual wrote them
no sale on steam? no announcement of a new game?
2016. At least in that game you don't run out of ammo every two seconds, forcing you to stop the fight just to go look for an ammo piñata to chainsaw.
>Play 2016
>Have a blast
>Immediately start Eternal after it
>Wtf what are all these bullshit changes
>Why are the aesthetics worse
>Why don't I have any ammo
>Where is the pistol
>Refund
>One year later
>Try Eternal again on a sale
>Actually attempt to learn the new flow of the game and how to use the new mechanics
>Have a blast
>Recognize the gameplay is actually better than 2016's even though it's worse visually/plot wise
This thread is very unsurprising to me, I know exactly where people are complaining about Eternal are coming from because playing it after 2016 feels horrible. If you have recently beaten 2016, give it some time and try Eternal again once you have lost all your 2016 muscle memory.
Nah
2016: vastly superior writing and tone plus baron design
Eternal: much better at everything besides that
2016 barons are just pink lobster goats
DE barons are ancient spirits of fire
Vanilla Doom Eternal > Doom 2016 > Doom Eternal expansions
Somebody got filtered
Eternal is best. Ignore other opinions.