I've seen claims that RPG stories can rival the very best books, movies, and plays. Which ones? Failing that, what's your favorite RPG story?
Which RPGs have the best story?
I've seen claims that RPG stories can rival the very best books, movies, and plays. Which ones? Failing that, what's your favorite RPG story?
Vtm:Redemption
FF10
Morrowind
Planescape:Torment
>Vtm:Redemption
is the gameplay good?
>is the gameplay good?
It’s dated, but tolerable if you’re into the story and the characters. And this is the story thread, not the gameplay thread, no?
None. An RPG is where you make your own story in a simulated world. You are an ignoramus pleb and should go back to >>>Ganker .
>autism: the post
>wants to talk about rpg stories that match the very best 100+ year-old story-telling mediums
>posts a pic of shitty mediocre manga-tier babygame
>gets a reply that so perfectly sums up the right answer that nobody bothers to respond
>you have autism
your autistic
You had 50/50 odds of guessing who was responding to your post, and you guessed wrong, friendo
>who was responding to your post
that wasn't my post, gaygo
I’m not the OP, moron.
i didn't say you are, but you did, ironically, say i had a good chance of guessing who was responding to (my) post, even though i hadn't posted before
, so it was impossible for me to guess who was responding to my post, since it didn't exist to be responded to.
moron
I was one of two people who had posted in the thread besides that post
>cringe pathetic cope
many such cases. Sad!
Are you sure you're in a position to be calling others autistic, anon?
I accept your concession.
Video game RPGs are not TTRPGs.
you may have won the argument, but you're still an autistic sperg, so you lost at life.
I will have none of this homosexualry. Now begone, eunuch pleb.
>I killed the RED goblin instead of the BLUE one
>THAT'S STORY!!!
Lol. Lmao.
It ain't your world buddy. (YOU) don't make the story. (YOU) never did.
>RPG stories can rival the very best books, movies, and plays
fricking lol if you actually believe this
i believe it. video games are a different form of media, and have an interactive audiovisual aspect that books and film don't have. This can give an entirely different effect on the player compared to what a static story would have.
>effect on the player
I guess it's possible. Examples being in FF VII showing Sephiroth's superiority through game stats early on and later getting to the same levels. Dark Souls and struggling through the game. A game can kill off a character who was a valuable part of gameplay etc.
There are some tricks games can pull.
The problem is everything but that backbone usually being composed of outcasts that couldn't make it in their respective component's dedicated industry.
but why does this matter? Should an award winning author also be able to competently direct a film or write a broadway play? They are an entirely different set of skills.
Because games aren't literally just gameplay (that's the backbone), they're multimedia.
>award winning author also be able to competently direct a film
False equivalence. Write a screenplay, though, yes. The only difference for their role is the confines of runtime, but no novelist gets good without first writing short stories anyways.
>They are an entirely different set of skills
All forms of storytelling share the same fundamental psychological principles. The necessary tools and skills to use said tools differ, but that's the extent.
>no novelist gets good without first writing short stories anyways
Bullocks. Writing short stories doesn't translate into writing a novel. You will learn to write prose, but you won't learn how to manage a large plot. Most people write short fiction because longer fiction is too intimidating, but they don't read short fiction; they read novels and want to write a novel. Just write the novel! You'll only learn how to write novels by writing novels.
You don't "make it" by being good. It comes down to luck, and how much money you dump into advertising. If Patrick Rothfuss can write crap like Name of the Wind and sell millions, then you can too. You don't have to be the best writer ever. Crap sells, so get crapping. Don't worry about if someone says you're not a good writer. At the end of the day, you can be terrible and still have a university job teaching writing. Don't waste another minute thinking you're not good enough to write books.
You act like handling large plots and small ones are completely different things but they really aren't. The important part of short stories is their density. That's it. I'll admit I overlooked sci-fi/fantasy which works differently due to imagination etc., and I know novelists like Sanderson and Weber who write bloated garbage are successful specifically because of their wordcounts, but that's a relatively recent change brought about by audiobooks, which exist to be put in the background and ignored. Though writing something that's easy for laymen to discuss is also a skill.
>It comes down to luck
So courting an editor.
>how much money you dump into advertising
So literally just the publisher's job.
Where do you think the craft to those starts? Besides, you're underestimating just how much more basic work narration adds that a screenwriter can just leave to the director or w/e. An obscene number of writers trip and fall there when they're incapable of expressing anything through action or adopt a ridiculous style like "Angelia's amethyst orbs roamed around the room."
>So courting an editor.
You can pay an editor thousands of dollars to edit a manuscript, redraft it a dozen times, there is still going to be a typo when you ship it and someone is going to leave a 1 star review. Harry Potter has typos. There is always going to be someone who hates it. You're always going to get a 1 star review, even though you worked so hard on it. It has nothing to do with you. People just don't like things. There is a guy on Amazon who writes a 1 star review for every sci fi novel that comes out. He wrote 100 reviews per day and Amazon never banned him.
Book writing is not some mystical art. It's entertainment, some books appeal to some people and some don't. Some people like LotR because of it is a reverie about the ruination of the world and why we should persevere even though things are only going to get worse even if we succeed, while others think it's a boring slog with too much travel, too much preaching and too little action. Some people like Star Wars for the acting and aesthetics and the story about redemption while others think it's some kitsch movie that resulted in a lot of toys being made. Some people like Xenogears because of the cool grand narrative while others think it was too up its own ass on the philosophizing. Some people like Trails of Cold Steel because they're invested in the characters and liked the bittersweet story about modernization trampling people underfoot, while others only see it as harem power fantasy schlock. Different strokes for different folks. That's why the entire "can videogames stand up to books as true art?" debate is pointless.
A post so thoughtful and weirdly inspiring I forgot what site I was on. A rare good post. Thanks, anon.
Nice sermon on how much more awesome solipsistic ignorance is than nuance, but that has nothing to do with what I said.
>no novelist gets good without first writing short stories
you can just smell the creative writing classes on this lad
>i believe it
Cause you are stupid.
>interactive audiovisual aspect that books and film don't have
Thats called gameplay
>This can give an entirely different effect on the player compared to what a static story would have.
again not related to story, this is all gameplay and on the contrary this brings down the cohesiveness of the story.
If all you care about is story then stop playing games and good read books. if you finding reading boring then simply watch films, even films and tv shows have better stories than games.
>If all you care about is story then stop playing games and good read books
but books have shitty gamplay. see the issue yet?
>tfw just started this recently
>intro attack sequence (after meeting the doctor)
>insane seizure inducing flashing lights
>had to change the channel and "mash" through the incredibly slow dialogue boxes
>miss out on whatever happened
Feels bad man.
Lone Wolf Saga for Android. based on ye old gamebooks.
IF books don't count then tbh Sex 1.
and maybe Ultima 7: Black personian Gate. or Chrono TRIGGER.
Real talk, the plays part is actually believable. All the classics I've seen/read have sucked except Shakespeare's and The Oresteia.
Genealogy of the Holy War.
Stories that I liked were:
Suikoden I
Radiant Historia
I just got the platinum in FF16, ask me anything.
First two discs of FF9.
Warcraft 3
Valkyria Chronicles 1 & 4. Really ramps up towards the end.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky
Trails in the Sky FC if you can tough out the boring first 20 hours. Once the men in black show up at the end of chapter 2 it becomes very good.
Trails of Cold Steel 1 & 2
The Banner Saga
Also, Suikoden 1 as mentioned by
. Can't believe I forgot that. Suikoden 2 also gets an honorable mention, but I've already talked indepth about how the story is diluted across 40 hours and lacks the heavy war feeling and punch of S1.
Aselia the Spirit of Eternity Sword. The protagonist gets isekaied to a fantasy world and is promptly captured and blackmailed into fighting for an empire he hates, and has to spend months learning the language. He has to kill people he knows. He makes a pact with a cursed sword that is constantly tempting him to turn on his friends and devour them. Has a bittersweet ending. Really good protagonist reveries.
>I start gripping her arms with more strength. Even the sight of Aselia flinching in pain looks extremely delicious to me.
Just can't play trails, I do find it good though.
Radiant that good? Are there other games/rpg on the 3ds? Is there an emulator for it? Mednafen?
Radiant Historia is fantastic. MelonDS is my preferred emulator.
Sigma Star Saga
it is the only RPG I know of where you play as a spy working with your enemy for most of the game until shit hits the fan
spoiler ahead
having to kill Blune felt awful
How's the gameplay?
The Digital Devil Saga duology
There are more I like that focus on characters, themes, atmosphere, but DDS has the best combination of storytelling elements I've seen in vidya. The first game only reveals about 20% of the story though so it starts pretty slowly.
I know people sing the glorious praises of OP's game but I could never get into it. Same with Xenosaga, and the only really good Xenoblade game was 1.
>I know people sing the glorious praises of OP's game but I could never get into it. Same with Xenosaga, and the only really good Xenoblade game was 1.
As expected from an SMT gay. But likewise, I tried to get into Nocturne a few times since SMT gays often claim it's the best shit since sliced bread but I quit after 10 hours each time.
lol filtered moron
Yeah, filtered by utter boredom. I have no clue why people claim those games are any difficult. I guess it's true that SMT gays are just pokegays whose mental age turned 14
just admit that Matador filtered you and move on. no need to act tough big guy, you suck at vidya, we all know it.
Spoken like a true teenager. Idk what that Matador fella does in Nocturne because I got bored way before meeting him I figure
because nothing says mature, rational adult like pretending you didn't get hard filtered like the baby you are.
Projecting much, underage b&?
Love how unhinged SMT gays are when someone says their demon pokemon game just isn't fun to them
>Just remove a buff with the demon you can recruit in the very same area WOW SO HARD
Nocturne is fricking shite and the fact that you would bring it up in a thread about RPG stories shows how braindead Atlus shills are
>the fact that you brought it up
I didn't bring it up, you braindead moron. But on the topic of the story, just to piss you off, it is actually quite nice and I think the only reason the reasons weren't well received is because us westoids got TDE which has strictly more content and the hardest final boss in the series.
>Xenoblade game was 1.
shut the frick up
>I tried to get into Nocturne a few times since SMT gays often claim it's the best shit since sliced bread but I quit after 10 hours each time.
go play a better SMT moron, Nocturne isn't even the best game of the mainline bunch let alone spinoffs
>shut the frick up
Enlightening.
Final Fantasy 6
Trails (in general)
Final Fantasy VIII
Atelier (in general)
>favorite RPG story?
ADWR module for NWN1. because i rove wahmen writers and grapes.
I hate the fact that people online will never get over the book/movie shit. You have to realize you are no longer judging a story fairly because you already made up your mind that it's part of an inferior medium. Xenogears has a good story, it's not as verbose as Dune and not as charming as Star Wars maybe but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its own entirely unique merits that those others two things don't have, even down to the charming 3d video game models.
>story
>Dune
>Star Wars
the absolute state of /vrpg/ "critique"
Ah, I see. You have literally nothing to say
For sure, Dune and Star Wars are the peak of story
LMFAO
Dune yes. Star Jedis, no.
that said, the SW games were more canon and relevent to the movies than the Dune shits.
>it has unique merits
>can't name one
lmfao
>Gnostic story
>Understanding of works from Laccan and Carl Jung
>Cool giant robots
>Wuxia elements (Star Wars also has this though)
Never said they were, but they're examples of a sci-fi book and a movie both of which inspired Xenogears someway of the other
>gnostic story
you mean a standard 90s japanese rpg that uses gnostic concepts as lipstick on a childish manga-tier story. also not unique.
>understanding the works of laccan and carl jung
total bullshit pseud projection.
>cool giant robots
not cool, and not unique lol.
>wuxia elements
whatever wuxia exists in this game is virtually nonexistent and also not unique.
just because there are hints of substance doesn't mean that there's substance. it's a standard shitty 90s jrpg that implies substance with the illusion of depth using naive references to things like gnosticism. you're moronic.
You're going to fail to provide any reason why any of these elements are lame
>Muh illusion of depth
Basically a signifier that tells you that you're speaking to a pretentious pseud
you said they're unique, not lame. i said they're not unique. you also didn't specify anything about them, just claimed they exist without any references to anything. you can't support your claim, because it's nebulous and based on vague generalities rather than specific examples. i get it, you like the feel of the games, because you're a homosexual.
>you said they're unique, not lame.
For the kind of genre that Xenogears is, it literally is unique, what other Sci-fi RPGs from that era ever even attempt to combine all of those elements together in a successful union like Xenogears? Obviously its inspired by other things that have those elements individually but for what Xenogears is, is unique among it's peers. I also don't need to defend or bring up why they are actually well implemented in the story of the game because you already declared that you are not only ignorant (immediately dismissing Laccan and Jung allusions in the game even though they are literally obvious and apparent while playing, to the point where there's a fricking character named Laccan) but not even agreement that the robots are cool, it doesn't matter what I say you already made up your mind anyway so it's wasted breathe
>You like the feel of the game because you're a homosexual
Opposite actually, I like it because I'm not a joyless homosexual, like yourself
Mass Effect Trilogy
this looks like the best example of "show don't tell". Xenos > DnD flops?
i think dragon quest v has the best story out of all dq games.