Which was better Megas, Z-Moves, Dynamax, or Terrastal?
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Which was better Megas, Z-Moves, Dynamax, or Terrastal?
Which was better Megas, Z-Moves, Dynamax, or Terrastal?
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gimmicks are shit
Came here to say this. No gimmicks are good, so megas.
wow what an interesting take (not).
Correct =/= Interesting
FPBP
megas are also gimmicks so they are shit too. no better than the rest
tera is the most interesting but it looks fricking stupid. it's really cool to have pokemon that typeswitch and adds another mechanic for mon building that I enjoy a lot.
zmoves and dynamax are boring
megas piss me off because like, just give pinsir an evolution.
This, giving a mega to a one-stage pokemon is just annoying. Kind of feels like it blocks them from ever getting an actual evo.
>mega has more votes than every other gimmick combined
lol.lmao.
Citation needed.
megazoomers are the only ones interested in taking time to even copypaste the poll link
Tera (OTS) > Dynamax > Tera (no OTS) >> Z-moves >>> Megas
modern pokemon is trash
Comp:
Terrastal >>>>> Dynamax > Z-moves + Mega > Mega
Presentation
Gigantamax >> Mega > Terrastal >>>> Z-moves > Dynamax
Lore
shit > the rest
This. Special form changes are really cool. They're also really shit for competitive because they pigeonhole team building. Meanwhile Tera and Dynamax are boring, but they add a lot of strategic depth to the game.
Megas >>> Tera (but looks moronic) >>>>>>> Shitnamax >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally nothing >>>>>>>>>> Z Moved
Dynamax was fun in doubles but they are all garbage.
Mega was garbage edgyshit
Z-moves are cheap
Dynamax was outrageously busted
Terastal is ridiculous and messes Pokemon basics
>no "none" option
shit poll
Megas were cool but realistically the best gimmicks are the ones any Pokémon can use. Why? Because it adds variety for starters and also makes things more unpredictable. Terra shot is the best gimmick so far only hindered by giving your mon an ugly hat.
I don't understand how anyone could think dynamax is better than Z-moves. Dynamax is three z-moves and extra bulk with less opportunity cost. is it just the aesthetics tipping opinions?
>I don't understand why people think dynamax is better
>heres a reason why its better
Z moves hit hard enough that you can often just hard one shot something even through a resistance and required a Protect predictopm. Max moves weren't that strong so there was still counterplay. Furthermore, Dynamax opened up teambuilding options with the terrain and weather setting by letting you use terrains and weather without bringing a dedicated setter, as well as having counterplay to enemy terrain and weather without a dedicated setter. Status effects, as well, with electric and misty terrain.
Megas are SOUL and COOL which is the only thing that matters in a videogame. Frick balancing.
Megas were a cool concept but the worst executed idea ever. In XY, you only had a choice between 6 pokemon. The Kanto start and Lucario are given to you for free and objectively better than the other four. But when you finish the main game and do PvE, the balance is busted all over the place the World's had the entire top 8 use Mega-Kangaskhan.
z moves and tera are the best because they don't ruin the story, and dynamax/gigamax are passable because they don't lock mons that really need evolutions out of getting them like megas. megas are the absolute worst because they both ruin the story of their own game AND the remake of another game, AND they screw over a ton of mons that needed a real upgrade.
Why do Z moves have so little votes? They are way better than Dynamax and Terastalization.
>strike a cringe pose
>use one super powerful buff/nuke per battle
Ye it's a 'nothing' mechanic, like the thousand fold arms in Paper Mario Origami King.
It's funny seeing morons still cope and blame megas for why their favorite shitmon will never get an evolution when megas have been out of the games for 5 years. It's time for you to realize that Game Freak never had interest in giving them evos and megas are all you'll ever get.
This lol salamence will get 10 new mega broken forms before they even look at mawile again
>Mfw still want to see what a competitive scene would look like with all gimmicks in the same game
bad, it would look bad.
>Mega Rayquaza that can fricking dynamax and also terastalize into dragon type for even more fricktarded dragon type damage
No thanks.
>the battle of the fugs
>>Mega Rayquaza that can fricking dynamax and also terastalize into dragon type for even more fricktarded dragon type damage
What dragon type damage?
What kind of moronic toddlerbrained frothmouthed tasteless wienerhungry homosexuals voted for fricking Megas?
Megas were the most limited and predictable. Trash.
Z moves were okay but the animations are a buzz kill for a game that already drags ass. Decent.
Kaijumax was alright and fun for the gen it was in. Okay
Terrasshit is the best one but the hats are hideous. Best gimmick
It's funny how megas were given to busted shillmon and their mega forms were somehow side grades metawise.
>more than half the thread shits on Megas
>more votes than all the others combined
The silent majority is also the braindead majority.
Megas weren't necessarily bad but they don't feel fully fleshed out with how limited they were and how fast they were dropped
I like a few mega designs but I just hate how smoothbrain the meta was. A free 100+ base stat boost. Go ham. There were few fun gimmicks but it was mostly boring powercreep
You have to remember that most of the people complaining about Megas are just GF's wienersuckers. They will always prioritize shitting on the popular Mega gimmick to prop up whatever new shit GF replaced them with. Back during gen 8 there were tons of people defending Dynamax, but 90% of those people disappeared once Terastalization was announced. The same thing will happen when gen 10 comes along. These people incapable of intelligent thought and will drop Terastal and start sucking off whatever shiny new toy GF hands them.
>doesn't realize the maga tards are dumb enough to think a poll made in here is somehow important, therefore all it takes is one mongoloid who is willing to change his IP over and over again
Pretty sure the idiot who gets triggered every time people say megas are a gimmick is already bumping the thread non stop.
>Posts / Files / IPs / Page
Says it all, really. The poll says "which was the better gimmick" and most people hate gimmicks so of course they're going to pick the one option that says "no gimmick"
Just because it's better than
>Braindead big stats button
>1-minute long move animations
>Set-Up Sweeper; the Meta
doesn't make megas an actual good concept. I can tolerate the "Make my pokemon insanely ugly" button that Megas are more than any other gimmick.
I want to say Mega Evolutions from a game play perspective, but I do like Macro Pokémon...
Mega
Megas
None > tera > z > mega > dyna
I really don't like tera and dynamaxing.
I think the designs for tera suck and I don't like being able to freely change one of the key features of how a pokemon function on a whim, especially not when gen nine's dex is full of coked out, romhack mons like valiant and kingsgambit.
Dynamaxing isn't as bad, but it is even less balanced. Turning all of your moves into generic max moves is boring and Gmax somehow had even worse distribution than megas, which blows my mind.
The great thing about the gimmick is you don’t even have to use it you dipshit
a gimmick that i never use is a shit gimmick
I think the people here are offended by the existence of the gimmick in games, as if it invalidated how they prefer to play the games to date.
No, I'd just rather gf focus on making more solid games instead of another gimmick that's just a way to sell more pikachu plushies.
Like, rotation battles are a gimmick. Swarms and sky battles are gimmicks and none of them are great, but they don't take up so much of the game that I dislike them.
>Like, rotation battles are a gimmick.
rotations aren't a gimmick, SM were just terrible games that cut a bunch of shit
Yeah, I guess you're right. I remember there being a bunch of rotation battles in BW and almost none in XY, but apparently they're all in the cafes.
ORAS had rotations as a possible format in secret bases but i'm the only person who ever used it
this is literally a thread discussing and comparing various gimmicks, how is "just dont use it lol" something you actually thought was worth saying
Dynamax is the best
You will all cope and seethe
but it’s true
Tera's best.
Megas gave us some cool designs but now we're locked out from evolutions for certain 1- and 2-stage mons.
Z-Moves could have been good but they doled out species-specific even-more-powerful moves for no reason. The Light Trio and Tapus make sense from a lore perspective, but the rest are pandering.
Dynamax/Max Moves have the same issues as Z-Moves. The 3-turn limit makes battles more interesting though admittedly.
Terastal seems to be the most open and able to use with the least pandering. We'll see what the DLC does for that though.
>Megas gave us some cool designs but now we're locked out from evolutions for certain 1- and 2-stage mons.
This has never been true, if GF wants to give a Pokemon with a mega a regional or cross gen, they can. See Slowbro which got a Mega and then a regional form right after, or Salamence and Tyranitar who both got Paradoxes.
>Megas gave us some cool designs
Doubt
I mean turning into a gen 4 mon is bad but it's still not Unova bad
>Unova out of nowhere
RENT FREE
I'll never understand why they went with half a shark and a warhead. Instead of a full shark torpedo.
they wanted to go with the types of bombs that are shaped like bullets, which are of course conical
>LET'S SLAP RANDOM YELLOW LINES ON SHARPEDO AND USE IT TO MARKET OUR NEW SHITTY GAME!
Mega evolutions were a mistake
>gen 4 out of nowhere
RENT FREE
I like Z-Moves, they scratch the itch for cool anime-style final attacks. But Pokemon cycle is a thing so people will shit on it till gen X will become a thing.
Tera, but it looks bad
Make the megas an actual evolution to shitmons
morons who hate Dynamax hate Kaijus, the very essence and soul of Pokemon. Pokemon would not exist if not for Kaijus.
Speak english weeaboo.
Megachads are winning
More like
Megatards are brainwashed
Cope.
Megas are literal cancer, discount digimon slop
What will be the next gimmick? I thought Z moves were the pinnacle, but they surprised me with Dyna and then Tera.
I can't think of any other gimmick.
Next gimmick gives you an extra 5fps
Equipable spirit Pokemon that can be invoked to change your typing and modify your base stats, they have an “equippable” form but can form change to actual Pokemon as well.
As usual, they fricked it up.
They should all be included at the same time.
What I mean by that is:
>give Megas to Pokémon that deserve them, otherwise give other less "meta" Pokémon an evolution
>Megas also grow to giant size, for the sake of spectacle; also Gigamaxes are now just Megas for those Pokémon that get them (NOT Charizard)
>any Pokémon that don't have a Mega instead can use a Z-move or carry a Terrastal crystal
Having a mix of different potential strats gives more diversity to battle. Hell, bring back weather wars to cap it all off. Imagine a team with one Mega, one Z-move, one Terastal AND an infinite weather-setter.
>megas winning with 70% of the vote
always love to see it.
None of the above, frick gimmickshit
This. Megas or bust.
Megagays are a blight
Megas were the best. Its the only gimmick thats in multiple main line games, including lets go. Also every fan game includes them, and the anime did as well.
Terrastal is the most balanced, but megas were way more fun to build around. Gen 6 was the best for competitive
>but megas were way more fun to build around.
You can not be serious
Tera and Dyna competitively, but I liked the vibe of Megas
>Megas
Neat idea. Most of them should of just been some kind of evolution. Might come back one day. They are still in Go and relevant.
>Z moves
The best gimmick. Should be slightly reworked and become a baseline mechanic. Having a "finisher" or "super" feels right.
>Dyna/Giganto
Kinda neat the first few times but the "epicness" wears off real fast. These forms feel like they are forever stuck in gen 8. Unless they do some kind of Stadium game with all the gimmicks or the theoretical Sw/Sh remakes in like 15 years.
>Tera
I can see how it would be interesting to use for competitive battles. Not really that useful outside of that. It's also lazy and ugly as frick.
I wouldn't call tera lazy. It's a simplistic change but adds a dramatic amount of depth. I can agree the crowns are silly, but it's the best gimmick by far imo.
I should have clarified the lazy part is how it looks. the hats and filter is lazy. in terms of how it actually effects the game play it's up there with Z moves in terms of enjoyment to "engage" with. Unlike Dynomax it does not make everything a damage sponge. on that note Dynomax is just as lazy but at least they have a handful of gigantomax forms.
>Having a "finisher" or "super" feels right.
maybe if it was based on a momentum meter that rewards you for being good and punishes the opponent for being a shitter
instead, you get 1 nuke for an item slot; you have to give up an item slot for one move---and your foe has to eat a move that potentially one-shots them out of nowhere
just terrible both ways
Z-moves are the worst gimmick yet
>you get 1 nuke for an item slot; you have to give up an item slot for one move
this is genuinely a good thing because it means less power creep. dynamax and tera being able to buff moves while also getting to use whatever broken item you want on top of that is ridiculous
if you remove the stupid tera hat then i would rate tera the same as mega so
tera = mega >>>>> z-moves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynashit
Megas are the best and it's not even close.
>Z moves are gems but retooled with flashy animations
>Dynamax overwhelmingly supports certain types of moves over others, and breaks game mechanics for no reason
>Tera is great on paper, but cancerous in practice, the gimmick can't leave the metagame fast enough.
People complain about Megas only going to shill mons but it's also the only metagame you see shit like Ampharos, Sceptile, and Pinsir outside of ZU
megas ruined all those pokemon with shit designs so no they are definitely the worst
z-moves are the least offensive because they never ruined any designs of old mons like megas and gigantamaxes did and have less power creep than tera
Competitively, my prefence is:
Terastalization > Dynamax > Mega-Evolution >>> Z-Moves
Tera really blew open teambuilding and strategizing and tactical gameplay and decision-making in a way the others do not.
Dynamax is second because it also is usable by anyone at any time without having to sacrifice for it in a way that makes you use it on one particular mon every time, and brings the same amount of power as any other to whatever mon you choose to expend it on. It also increases the pace of the game and forces progress in a way not dissimilar to UMVC3 X-Factor. Looking at the Dynamax logo and thinking of its 3-turn usage, you can easily imagine that X-Factor inspired it in-part.
Mega-Evolution did not change many mons' gameplay in a significant or interesting way. Most became bigger beatsticks than they were before with no mechanical differences, and little reason to not mega-evolve immediately. Contrast everyone with Mega-Sabeleye from a base Prankster---there is an obvious tradeoff in capability going both ways, which makes the choice of holding off on mega-evolving a lot more practical, despite it gaining a superb ability and greatly improved defenses. In practice, most megas were braindead, on top of being artificially restricted to many fewer mons and thus predictable.
Z-Moves are in theory unpredictable, on top of being greatly punishing, and require commitment of a whole item slot despite being single-use. To call it a poorly executed gimmick is in my opinion understatement. I never liked playing with it or against it, except for certain boosted status moves. It's Dynamax but worse in every way.
I miss dynamx the most since it made Blastoise viable in doubles
Dynamax for me
Its basically everyone gets a mega boost without the type changing shenanigans.
I fricking hate Terrastal
>Cool but broken and poorly distributed:
Megas, Gigantamax
>Nice but looks silly:
Tera
>Most interesting and widely utilized
Z-Moves (although I wish more mons had unique ones)
>Just gets bigger
Dynamax
Tera but the hat is goofy.
mega evolutions are the worst because it's the entire reason the gimmick shit started in the first place. If megas never existed, then z-moves, dynamax, and tera wouldn't either
I would go with Mega being the best. Mega > Dynamax > Terrastal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Z-moves. I really liked Su/Mo too so it's a bit of a shame but it's not like the gimmicks need to be used in a playthough.
>Tera > Dynamax > Z
Ideally there would be no gimmicks period and they'd just go back to making Megas and bring back other actually interesting battle stuff like Inverse or Triples.
megas are ass and IMHO Z-Moves are the most balanced because it's a once-per-game thing.
VGC speaking I like dynamax the most, sure they center the battle around it but I liked that