This tbh. I got a prebuilt once and had to apply the thermal paste within a year and there was barely any. I think buttered toast is ideal with just a little but missing around the edges, and be prepared to use an alcohol-tipped q-tip to get up any excess but if you do it right there should be none.
this. I usually run into issues with my machines and tried to take myself out of the equation by going prebuilt.
Started getting random crashes after a few months before reseating the GPU myself (worker shoved it in so badly the retaining clip fell into the case)
fippybippy
“Building” pc’s is a meme. You’re just tediously slotting together standardised components. If you don’t frick it up like a moron, the case will already be designed to provide optimal airflow and sound damping.
Pay a fraction of what you earn. If it's too low, then it's best to do it yourself. You could also do a favor or give something to a friend with the skills.
The more you do this the more moronic and useless you become.
Some people can't assemble things to save their life.
depends on what skills you deem useful, I have an ok job making 70k a year and id rather spend time working on stuff to improve my income than try to play legos with my PC
I do shit for myself, I dont give enough of a frick to build a PC. Also 70k isnt dick but considering im a single bachelor living in a 170k home that's paid off its enough to be comfy. I prefer spending my tinkering time dicking around with junk cars
I love how everyone on Ganker always pretends to be extremely wealthy, when most statistics point toward millennials and sooners being absolutely fricked economically.
this but unironically
paying other people to do shit is one less skill you could've learnt
unless it's something you've done to death like cooking or cleaning then it's pointless
I can see why it's appealing, building a PC from scratch is pretty intimidating and if you miss out on a part or two like wires you have to go back out and buy that stuff.
You basically need a PC-building website and/or lots of internet browsing unless you work enough with computers to memorize that shit to know whether the parts you're combining even work together in the first place. For example each motherboard's CPU socket is designed for different brands and generations so if you actually want to upgrade your CPU you need to replace the entire motherboard with a new one that has a fitting socket. If you use SATA for data storage (because NVME SSDs came out, which also need their own motherboards that can support them) you need to make sure the SATA cables has enough connectors if you buy multiple storage devices. I remember having trouble getting my GTX 970 GPU to run because the motherboard didn't support it. It's easier these days with the PC-building websites but you still gotta make sure you got the cables and stuff since the products may not come with their own.
>You basically need a PC-building website and/or lots of internet browsing
holy shit it's not too hard >PSU
hard to pick one since there's rebranding going on and you can't check to see the capacitors and other shit used inside, but you should be fine as long as you don't skimp >CPU
they're separated by tiers (gen, low/mid/high end, model variants). avoid ultra low power garbage >HSF
look at dimensions, noise ratings, materials, airflow >mobo
pick a size, then chipset. look at VRM cooling. then look at expansion ports, audio codec, network adapter, headers, etc. >GPU
pick reference or custom. there are several perks to custom boards (better cooling/heatsink, compact, higher clocks, etc.). just watch out for bad cards >RAM
look at generation, ranks, clock speeds, timings (jedec ones, not the overclocked XMPP garbage), physical size (HSF clearance), etc. >SSD
don't get old bottom of the barrel garbage. make sure it's not QLC and that it has a good controller, sudden poweroff protection and DDR cache >HDD
just make sure it's not SMR garbage >case
make sure your mobo fits inside. look at dimensions, GPU clearance, HSF height clearance, expansion bays (3.5 inch, 5.25 inch), SSD mounts, fan locations and sizes, open front, etc.
Most people don't remember most of that on a moment unless they actively work with PCs and even the average tech guy might not open up their PC in months, which is my point that PC building is initially intimidating and even afterwards it can be tough due to unforeseen factors unless one's actively working with computers and thus won't end up forgetting computer-related info. It's a great list of advice though.
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>people don't remember
which is why you make a list and write shit down? >PC building is initially intimidating
just grab the manual and smash the lego blocks together holy shit
it's not like in the old days of AT power supplies where you could plug the main power connectors the wrong way around and watch some pretty fireworks
Perhaps people like doing it. Like a hobby, ever heard of one of those? Also you're a pretty boring person and not really a man if you have to pay others to do everything for you.
Classic nu Ganker moment >Heh, I'm so incompetent I have to pay people to do something a 8 year old can >I totally can do it really really however I don't like wasting time
Building your own PC: 30 minutes max
Letting some thief technician do it for you: 4 hours at minimum + you have to leave the PC with him + you have to go back and get it + 100 dollars + tip
Makes absolutely no sense
It takes pretty much the same, either way you're going to spend a hour either picking up the pc or building it
Assuming the store is willing to order the parts for you instead of having you waste time taking them there
In any sensible store, there's a simple checkbox with "build this PC for me" in which case you get delivered the finished build and all the leftover boxes/manuals/etc.
I understand your point of view. However, the idea of building my own PC by myself was appealing to me. I learned about the process on YouTube and picked out computers parts for months, waited for AMD to release new hardware, spent a sizable amount of money that I didn't earn on it what I've chosen, and finally spent a day putting it all together myself, resulting in a beautiful machine which only occasionally bluescreens that I've been using for almost 5 years now.
Add computers to the ever-growing list of Black inventions.
it's an edit, the original says "build".
there was some other articles about blacks "inventing" things around that time so someone memed up this article
still fricking stupid for making pc assembly into a news article, even with the original wording, mind you
>still fricking stupid for making pc assembly into a news article, even with the original wording, mind you
yeah it looks like a niche british periodical aimed at black boomers
>all these losers seething because their only achivement in their pathetic lives is building a computer
LOL
Is swapping batteries in your car an achievement to you? Would you pay someone to do that for you to "save time"?
Because that's what building a computer is if you're not moronic.
>I'm proud of paying a subscription for, and having no control over, my primary means of transportation
People like this exist and don't think consumerism has gone too far.
Frick this gay earth.
Owning a car is peak consumerism. Car culture has reduced mobility because of how inefficient cars are. imagine if all the money spent on building wider highways and parking lots could be spent on an efficient public transportation system. Owning a car is literally cucking yourself
>public transportation >he thinks it's a good idea to let government determine whether you can have mobility
Nothing is more cucked than trusting your rulers not to frick you.
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>cucked
Your rulers make you sit in traffic for 3 hours every weekday without pay
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Next you'll start telling us the virtues of a grown man riding his bike to work. Kek
Or you're a moron that can't change with the times. Chinese scan tools from Amazon can do most of the same things as the dealership can. Just used it to bleed the ABS pump on my 2017 BMW after changing the brakes and brake fluid. Feels good to not get raped by the stealership unlike the helpless NPCs.
the thermal transfer capacities of the different application methods have so little impact on final temps that it literally doesnt matter unless you are trying to set some overclocking record. and at that point youd use a delidded cpu with liquid metal anyways so it still doesnt matter.
The phase change stuff isnt just a meme though. Slight b***h to apply but works surprisingly well. Whether or not i'd suggest it depends on your usecase. If you're the type of person who frequently upgrades your cpu or replaces your rig every few years then its a waste of money. However if you're like me and have multiple computers, some of them having constant uptime due to being deployed as a server, and some that see less frequent use but are in a very dry environment then id absolutely suggest using the stuff. On paper it might get slightly better performance than most cheap paste but its real benefit is the longevity and not having to worry about having to take down older rigs for repasting every 3-6yrs depending on your environment. Not having to takedown 4 desktops and 3 laptops every so often is worth the premium over standard paste.
>build every 5 years or so >3 things in BIOS, that easily could, and definitely should have been automated, are not, and might take literal days to resolve
not even close to worth my time anymore
>bought AIO cooler >think i only cleaned my computer every other year >AIO outlived my previous computer and is on its second lap
i put a dot of thermal paste the second time
yeah i could put the PC together but applying thermal paste is too much for me, I am too autistic to do it
When there is an instruction that gives you too much freedom it breaks me mentally that there isn't a "perfect" way to do it, if the instruction is not exact I cannot follow it
This is a problem with being raised by a single mother
>lines
pure stupidity. will always cause a spill in the same orientation the lines are facing >cross
spills towards the corner >pea-sized dot
uneven distribution may not cover hotspot >wafer thin coat spread with credit card or spatula
time-consuming, hard to get right, and prone to leaving gaps >five dots
the only passable one
I've built two computers, and both times I used stock coolers with the thermal paste pre-applied. But if I ever have to reapply the paste, it'd be a pea-sized dot in the middle.
built a single computer 4 and a half years ago and did the pea, i haven't done it again since and my cpu is still as cool as it's always been, so for me it'll always be the dot
The benefit of a material that changes phase is singular in a thermal cycle and when things start cooking it changes back you now get an influx of heat back into system keeping it at a higher temperature for longer.
No it's not you illiterate homosexual, because thin means literally thin, not its density.
Dense means there's more of the thing in a certain volume
Thin means the height of said volume is small.
They are related, but do not contradict each other.
I want to buy a cooler for my 13700f to replace the stock one but all these high performance parts look so frickhuge I have no idea if they're going to fit on my micro-atx board or if it's going to bump into the rams and such. How the frick are you supposed to know?
I pay other people to assemble my PC. Buying time is the smartest thing that can be done with money.
i would normally agree with you, but with the competency crisis, how can you be sure that the h1b diversity hires won't screw it up?
Based and Yeoman-Farmer pilled. If you want something done right you have to do it yourself.
This tbh. I got a prebuilt once and had to apply the thermal paste within a year and there was barely any. I think buttered toast is ideal with just a little but missing around the edges, and be prepared to use an alcohol-tipped q-tip to get up any excess but if you do it right there should be none.
this. I usually run into issues with my machines and tried to take myself out of the equation by going prebuilt.
Started getting random crashes after a few months before reseating the GPU myself (worker shoved it in so badly the retaining clip fell into the case)
This. Lmao at 'saving' money only to waste precious time you can't get back
>b-but I enjoy it as a hobby
Holy cope
*keeps the good parts and replaces them with used ones*
heh, nothin personnel kiddo
fippybippy
“Building” pc’s is a meme. You’re just tediously slotting together standardised components. If you don’t frick it up like a moron, the case will already be designed to provide optimal airflow and sound damping.
You pay people to be with your family
it costs time to make the money though
Pay a fraction of what you earn. If it's too low, then it's best to do it yourself. You could also do a favor or give something to a friend with the skills.
Some people can't assemble things to save their life.
The more you do this the more moronic and useless you become.
depends on what skills you deem useful, I have an ok job making 70k a year and id rather spend time working on stuff to improve my income than try to play legos with my PC
>He thinks 70k is a lot
I make twice that and still do things for myself because I don't like throwing money away and am not a helpless babby
I do shit for myself, I dont give enough of a frick to build a PC. Also 70k isnt dick but considering im a single bachelor living in a 170k home that's paid off its enough to be comfy. I prefer spending my tinkering time dicking around with junk cars
And someone may say that fricking around with old cars is a waste of time.
I love how everyone on Ganker always pretends to be extremely wealthy, when most statistics point toward millennials and sooners being absolutely fricked economically.
>id rather spend time working on stuff to improve my income than try to play legos with my PC
He typed into Ganker
This is a fricking Pajeet
this but unironically
paying other people to do shit is one less skill you could've learnt
unless it's something you've done to death like cooking or cleaning then it's pointless
>not having a friend that can build it for you for free
ISHYGDDT
Letting him frick your ass after isn't "free", anon.
Spending money is spending time.
I can see why it's appealing, building a PC from scratch is pretty intimidating and if you miss out on a part or two like wires you have to go back out and buy that stuff.
It's possible you're moronic. Building a PC today is crazy easy. Lego sets for children are harder to assemble...
You basically need a PC-building website and/or lots of internet browsing unless you work enough with computers to memorize that shit to know whether the parts you're combining even work together in the first place. For example each motherboard's CPU socket is designed for different brands and generations so if you actually want to upgrade your CPU you need to replace the entire motherboard with a new one that has a fitting socket. If you use SATA for data storage (because NVME SSDs came out, which also need their own motherboards that can support them) you need to make sure the SATA cables has enough connectors if you buy multiple storage devices. I remember having trouble getting my GTX 970 GPU to run because the motherboard didn't support it. It's easier these days with the PC-building websites but you still gotta make sure you got the cables and stuff since the products may not come with their own.
>You basically need a PC-building website and/or lots of internet browsing
holy shit it's not too hard
>PSU
hard to pick one since there's rebranding going on and you can't check to see the capacitors and other shit used inside, but you should be fine as long as you don't skimp
>CPU
they're separated by tiers (gen, low/mid/high end, model variants). avoid ultra low power garbage
>HSF
look at dimensions, noise ratings, materials, airflow
>mobo
pick a size, then chipset. look at VRM cooling. then look at expansion ports, audio codec, network adapter, headers, etc.
>GPU
pick reference or custom. there are several perks to custom boards (better cooling/heatsink, compact, higher clocks, etc.). just watch out for bad cards
>RAM
look at generation, ranks, clock speeds, timings (jedec ones, not the overclocked XMPP garbage), physical size (HSF clearance), etc.
>SSD
don't get old bottom of the barrel garbage. make sure it's not QLC and that it has a good controller, sudden poweroff protection and DDR cache
>HDD
just make sure it's not SMR garbage
>case
make sure your mobo fits inside. look at dimensions, GPU clearance, HSF height clearance, expansion bays (3.5 inch, 5.25 inch), SSD mounts, fan locations and sizes, open front, etc.
Most people don't remember most of that on a moment unless they actively work with PCs and even the average tech guy might not open up their PC in months, which is my point that PC building is initially intimidating and even afterwards it can be tough due to unforeseen factors unless one's actively working with computers and thus won't end up forgetting computer-related info. It's a great list of advice though.
>people don't remember
which is why you make a list and write shit down?
>PC building is initially intimidating
just grab the manual and smash the lego blocks together holy shit
it's not like in the old days of AT power supplies where you could plug the main power connectors the wrong way around and watch some pretty fireworks
Then buy a 14900KF/4090 prebuilt for 2500-3000USD and frick off.
I built my first one age 15 and without my reference material other than the manual. Its not hard if you aren't a moron.
Manual?
You can turn time into money but you can't turn money into time, you are still using just as much time when you pay for something.
which is why you spend your precious time on a mongolian basketweaving forum
Perhaps people like doing it. Like a hobby, ever heard of one of those? Also you're a pretty boring person and not really a man if you have to pay others to do everything for you.
Classic nu Ganker moment
>Heh, I'm so incompetent I have to pay people to do something a 8 year old can
>I totally can do it really really however I don't like wasting time
Building your own PC: 30 minutes max
Letting some thief technician do it for you: 4 hours at minimum + you have to leave the PC with him + you have to go back and get it + 100 dollars + tip
>30 minutes max
Who the frick are you trying to fool, buddy. You don't even believe that yourself.
That's how long it took for me, and i
It takes like, maybe an hour and a half to put a PC together
Makes absolutely no sense
It takes pretty much the same, either way you're going to spend a hour either picking up the pc or building it
Assuming the store is willing to order the parts for you instead of having you waste time taking them there
In any sensible store, there's a simple checkbox with "build this PC for me" in which case you get delivered the finished build and all the leftover boxes/manuals/etc.
found the numale who can't even hammer a nail to the wall without paying a "professional"
I understand your point of view. However, the idea of building my own PC by myself was appealing to me. I learned about the process on YouTube and picked out computers parts for months, waited for AMD to release new hardware, spent a sizable amount of money that I didn't earn on it what I've chosen, and finally spent a day putting it all together myself, resulting in a beautiful machine which only occasionally bluescreens that I've been using for almost 5 years now.
>all these losers seething because their only achivement in their pathetic lives is building a computer
LOL
>I simply hate people
>he didn't invent himself a computer
ngmi
Add computers to the ever-growing list of Black inventions.
it's an edit, the original says "build".
there was some other articles about blacks "inventing" things around that time so someone memed up this article
still fricking stupid for making pc assembly into a news article, even with the original wording, mind you
>still fricking stupid for making pc assembly into a news article, even with the original wording, mind you
yeah it looks like a niche british periodical aimed at black boomers
If you pay someone to apply thermal paste to your CPU, you're moronic.
>buying time
and using it for what?
its not about the time, its about the fact that I do not trust some moron to assemble it properly
kinda how i wouldn't let someone cook my food for me
However someone will frick your wife for free.
Is swapping batteries in your car an achievement to you? Would you pay someone to do that for you to "save time"?
Because that's what building a computer is if you're not moronic.
Unlike most losers on Ganker I don't drive an ancient 00s shitbox, so self-maintenance is no longer an option at all.
>I'm proud of paying a subscription for, and having no control over, my primary means of transportation
People like this exist and don't think consumerism has gone too far.
Frick this gay earth.
Owning a car is peak consumerism. Car culture has reduced mobility because of how inefficient cars are. imagine if all the money spent on building wider highways and parking lots could be spent on an efficient public transportation system. Owning a car is literally cucking yourself
We have been over this. Public transit only works in high trust societies. Like, not America.
>public transportation
>he thinks it's a good idea to let government determine whether you can have mobility
Nothing is more cucked than trusting your rulers not to frick you.
>cucked
Your rulers make you sit in traffic for 3 hours every weekday without pay
Next you'll start telling us the virtues of a grown man riding his bike to work. Kek
Fat detected
Poor detected
Or you're a moron that can't change with the times. Chinese scan tools from Amazon can do most of the same things as the dealership can. Just used it to bleed the ABS pump on my 2017 BMW after changing the brakes and brake fluid. Feels good to not get raped by the stealership unlike the helpless NPCs.
>Buying time is the smart-ACK
>PC is dead within a few months
the heat from the rice cooks the egg
>cooks
They mean it warms it up a bit but you homosexuals take everything so fricking literally.
Accept that you're a homosexual.
But the argument is that it's not unsafe to put disgusting raw egg over your rice because it gets cooked by the heat of the rice.
it's actually not unsafe because raw egg isn't unsafe, and even in countries with poor food safety getting salmonella from raw eggs is really rare.
Thermal paste is for pussies.
Pea-size. Has never done me wrong, has never let me down.
Literally doesn't matter how you place it as long as you place the appropriate amount and smear it like you're supposed to.
The pea or rice grain in the middle is fine, the heatsink pushes it across the surface as you clip it down
Graphite pad
the thermal transfer capacities of the different application methods have so little impact on final temps that it literally doesnt matter unless you are trying to set some overclocking record. and at that point youd use a delidded cpu with liquid metal anyways so it still doesnt matter.
>delidded cpu with liquid metal
Frick you Skynet.
Five dots means a pig surrounded by Black folk
every real pc builder in the year 2024 knows that one line in the only valid choice with the new intel cpu size
n00b
See, and this is why you have that weird burning metallic smell in your room.
Phase Change sistas in the house! Mmmhmmm!
the picture in
is a thermal pad, not a phase change material.
The phase change stuff isnt just a meme though. Slight b***h to apply but works surprisingly well. Whether or not i'd suggest it depends on your usecase. If you're the type of person who frequently upgrades your cpu or replaces your rig every few years then its a waste of money. However if you're like me and have multiple computers, some of them having constant uptime due to being deployed as a server, and some that see less frequent use but are in a very dry environment then id absolutely suggest using the stuff. On paper it might get slightly better performance than most cheap paste but its real benefit is the longevity and not having to worry about having to take down older rigs for repasting every 3-6yrs depending on your environment. Not having to takedown 4 desktops and 3 laptops every so often is worth the premium over standard paste.
Fukken drugoo
mother of fricking God people who do this are so stupid.
I bet this idiot can't even breath without a YouTube tutorial.
What in the actual frick, this is going to dry out so un-even and turn to dust in like 6 months.
I thought those were screenshots of caves areas from old pokemon games.
Buttered toast method. I use a rubber glove or ziplock bag to spread it.
Based.
I hate the constant reminders that none of my thoughts are unique kek
At least you're not alone.
I thought it was wind waker islands from above
For me it's pea. Least chance of paste dropping into the cpu and the other options shave off a couple of degrees at best.
The cross spreads itself evenly across entire cpu and no risk of airbubbles.
>build every 5 years or so
>3 things in BIOS, that easily could, and definitely should have been automated, are not, and might take literal days to resolve
not even close to worth my time anymore
this way
i haven't had a CPU overheat in ten years.
A dot in the center.
For chiplet designs, a dot over each chiplet.
>bought AIO cooler
>think i only cleaned my computer every other year
>AIO outlived my previous computer and is on its second lap
i put a dot of thermal paste the second time
Buttered Toast, always.
I like a plus sign and then a small dab in each quadrant
buttered toast
yeah i could put the PC together but applying thermal paste is too much for me, I am too autistic to do it
When there is an instruction that gives you too much freedom it breaks me mentally that there isn't a "perfect" way to do it, if the instruction is not exact I cannot follow it
This is a problem with being raised by a single mother
"Cross" if it's an IHS, "Buttered toast" if it's a bare die.
five dots
>lines
pure stupidity. will always cause a spill in the same orientation the lines are facing
>cross
spills towards the corner
>pea-sized dot
uneven distribution may not cover hotspot
>wafer thin coat spread with credit card or spatula
time-consuming, hard to get right, and prone to leaving gaps
>five dots
the only passable one
X and dots combined
Don't know. Don't care. Prebuilt.
I'm brown and I choose pea-size
I've built two computers, and both times I used stock coolers with the thermal paste pre-applied. But if I ever have to reapply the paste, it'd be a pea-sized dot in the middle.
pea
anything else is a meme or superstition
built a single computer 4 and a half years ago and did the pea, i haven't done it again since and my cpu is still as cool as it's always been, so for me it'll always be the dot
A true man does the cross.
>wants to keep his cpu cool
>tries to summon the fires of hell in his computer
Black person you're moronic
🙂
The correct way.
STOP USING PASTE LIKE A NOOB
PHASE CHANGE MATERIAL IS THE NEXT GEN OF COOLING
>Phase change
Lmao no. That would be moronic.
liquid metal is phase change material
ptm doesnt kill your components
https://www.msi.com/faq/faq-5391
The benefit of a material that changes phase is singular in a thermal cycle and when things start cooking it changes back you now get an influx of heat back into system keeping it at a higher temperature for longer.
Cooling*
Every single test has shown it is nearly impossible to use too much thermal paste, and the one dot and squish method is actually the worst way.
I paid for the tube, I'm going to use it, damn it.
If you are using electrically conductive paste it can be a very bad thing
dot in the middle. anything else means youre brown.
I do pea-sized then spread it out until its a nice round circle. Have since the 90s, never failed me.
Doesn't matter.
Never has.
Pea is the only one that won't leave any possibility for air bubbles.
I DON'T FRICKING KNOW
I make mine in the sign of the cross to bless my machine.
Preapplied onto the cooler in a dense thin grid
>dense thin
that's an oxymoron dumb frogposter
He meant thin lines densely packed on the surface. Also thin and dense are not opposites. A steel rod is both thin and dense
No it's not you illiterate homosexual, because thin means literally thin, not its density.
Dense means there's more of the thing in a certain volume
Thin means the height of said volume is small.
They are related, but do not contradict each other.
you eat the thermal paste dont you
not right now
>file
my frog folder is at home and i'm at work right now
frick
then sorry for shooting you
That sheer impotent nerd rage at the first post.
Speaking of thermal paste, PK-3 is very thick. Thickest thermal paste I've used. Felt like pushing out peanut butter through a syringe
Pea-size. I'd puta small line on threadripper but I never had one.
Butter toast on gpu die though.
It literally doesn't matter as long as you use enough. Any excess will squeeze out. You shouldn't be using conductive paste.
it doesn't make a difference
I do the cross with a bit more at the center. It infuses the CPU with the blessing of Jesus Christ Our Lord, so it's always the safest option.
I want to buy a cooler for my 13700f to replace the stock one but all these high performance parts look so frickhuge I have no idea if they're going to fit on my micro-atx board or if it's going to bump into the rams and such. How the frick are you supposed to know?
Measure and then compare to the specifications sheet for the cooler.