Why does everything have to be ranked? Can't I enjoy both for different things just like I can enjoy both ice cream and potato chips without comparing them?
GOD I MISS MY COLLEGE YEARS
FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT AT WASEDA UNIVERSITY
I ATE SO MUCH HAIRY, BUSHY JAPANESE PUSSY IT'S UNREAL BROS
JET-BLACK BUSHY PUBIC HAIR PUSSY
I SO MUCH WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME
TO EAT MORE EXTREMELY HAIRY JAPANESE PUSSY
BASED
Natural fertile women aren't hairy
You've consumed too much jav
I like a more peach color skin tone in whites, don't really care for the paler skin tones all that much unless they're distinguished with freckles like ginger whites have.
Nearly all white people actually have those. They're just subcutaneous until sun exposure flips them "on". Freckly people just have ones that show up on the surface level of their skin more easily. There's an interesting video showing how it looks with UV light here:
in a game where every character portrait looks like that, what impact does saying someone is “white and pretty” even mean? Saying someone’s skin is flawless makes 10x more sense given the context
>Saying someone’s skin is flawless makes 10x more sense given the context
Okay but that's not what the character said. As a translator your job is to translate, not change the script.
No it's not, your job as a translator is to make things make sense to whatever country you're localizing for, literal translation is stiff, confusing and lifeless and only an amateur would do that
>your job as a translator is to make things make sense to whatever country
But they make sense for 99.99% of the target English audience
Only commiefornians confuse normal conversations as le weird and wrong
yet calling someone a gay on here can have a slightly different meaning
like how a greasy online nerd saying "e-girlcon" might mean something different then a normalgay saying it
This always amuses me. They use the most moronic arguments to say that e-girlcon and pedophile isn't the same thing. But if you look it up in a Japanese dictionary...
I feel like "kiddy-lover" or something similar would be more in the same spirit of how the Japanse use "e-girlcon". Slightly more playful and less serious, but still definitely considered a bad thing. You won't hear "e-girlcon" in a news report about child abuse, for example.
They do use the loan-words "pedophile" and "child molester" in Japan, but idk if they have a more native word for the same concept.
People like you are why they just translate it to "pedophile" to play it safe. Just like you, there are plenty of people that will accuse them of some malicious ulterior motive if they try to find an accurate translation. No different from the people in this thread claiming there's some leftist agenda behind using the word "flawless" instead of "white" for skin.
I'm saying the two words are used differently in their respective languages. "Cradle-robber" would probably be another good one that I've heard people use before. It's obviously still a negative word with the same meaning, but not a stuff legal one like "pedophile". It's like the difference between translating something to "officer" versus "cop". It'll depend on what character is saying the word and how they're using it.
wouldn't "girl-lover" fit more?
e-girlcon IS a gendered word after all, used for people who like e-girls (so, female girls)
Yeah, but if I heard the word "girl-lover", it would normally be a young boy saying it to accuse another young boy of being weird for liking girls.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>no u c pedos r m ok n jap
4 months ago
Anonymous
>omg sweety your skin is white!
that sounds more like a weird observation than a compliment, maybe if you're ESL or autistic this might sound normal to you
Did you people both reply to the wrong post?
Anyway, the Japanese word for "pedophile" is 小児性愛者 or "shonen-seiai sha"
You can search for that term on Japanese news websites and get a shitload of articles using it. It's what would be the most one-to-one translation for "pedophile". If they were using the word "e-girlcon", it would look super unprofessional or creepy. "e-girlcon" is just a word that otaku/nerds use and normal young people would use to jokingly accuse each other of being creepy degenerates.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>omg sweety your skin is white!
that sounds more like a weird observation than a compliment, maybe if you're ESL or autistic this might sound normal to you
>Japanese: "I didn't know you were a e-girlcon." >Shitty localisation (SL): "I didn't know you were a pedophile." >Good localisation: "I didn't know you were into little girls."
holy shit where's my localisation money
>Japanese: "I didn't know you were a e-girlcon." >Shitty localisation (SL): "I didn't know you were a pedophile." >Good localisation: "I didn't know you were into little girls."
holy shit where's my localisation money
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e-girlcon
it's short for two borrowed words and isn't a japanese word that needs translation
Who said it was the translator that did this? Scripts have localizers and editors and a bunch of people in roles that can input whatever changes they want onto the script.
Also do you have the job description of the translator? Are you their employer? Who are you to say what their job description is?
Yeah I'm a translator which means I write what gets put into the final product and you don't. Stay in in your lane and don't take your bitterness out on us
that's a stupid assertion because as a consumer i expect an accurate translation as a standard, not whatever incompetent hackjob fanfiction you came up with because you couldn't break into literature, and your employer should hold you to that same standard. i seriously hope you weren't trying to flip the script here
4 months ago
Anonymous
Don't have a nice day when a computer takes your job will you
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
If Japanese were translated, word per word, it would make no sense because their sentences are differently structured. Not to mention all the metaphors that would make no sense in another language.
What do you mean "cope"?
It's a fact. If Japanese is to be translated to English, you 100% will have to change the script since a lot of it wouldn't make sense.
This isn't German mate, Japanese might as well be an alien language, "direct translation" is a pipe dream. That doesn't give lisence for shitheads to take liberties but this is translating the intent with good translation principles.
You don't want translation where people are saying "I have wronged you!" every time they walk into a room, do you?
That is in fact what was said, in Japanese calling someone's skin white has no racial connotations. Translating it to "white" would've been inaccurate because in English that does evoke racial ideas.
No Japanese person is white, and yet they use this word for eachothers' skin.
>That is in fact what was said, in Japanese calling someone's skin white has no racial connotations. Translating it to "white" would've been inaccurate because in English that does evoke racial ideas.
Wrong, it would have been accurate. You homosexuals want to "localize" though, not translate, which is why you are even considering "muh western sensibilities" to begin with, which is unnecessary cancer shit that has no place in media.
Exactly moron, they're talking about skin color. Saying "your skin is so white" means the same thing in English. It's not calling the other person caucasian you fricking imbecile.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You don't call another person's skin white in English, it's not a thing that happens in daily conversation. It would just be an unnatural line.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I've literally heard arab b***hes say this to each other in English. Take your fricking keyboard warrior worldview and shove it up your axewound.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't call another person kun in English, it's not a thing that happens in daily conversation. It would just be an unnatural line.
So weird how the troonyslators decided to keep those pesky honorifics lol
>That is in fact what was said, in Japanese calling someone's skin white has no racial connotations. Translating it to "white" would've been inaccurate because in English that does evoke racial ideas.
Wrong, it would have been accurate. You homosexuals want to "localize" though, not translate, which is why you are even considering "muh western sensibilities" to begin with, which is unnecessary cancer shit that has no place in media.
>game journos say it's good so that means it's good
Thanks, I couldn't possibly have come up with a better description of P5gays. You just illustrated everything wrong with the game and the people it attracted, it's absolutely perfect.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>didn't notice the steam reviews that were included
So you're blind AND moronic
4 months ago
Anonymous
The moronation of valuing game journo opinions outweighs the moronation of valuing steam user opinions.
I have to wonder why you thought that was some sort of gotcha, though. Even if I didn't see the bottom of the pic you're still a brainless tard.
4 months ago
Anonymous
My point was that literally everyone likes the game and you have a mental defect for not being able to appreciate it :^)
4 months ago
Anonymous
>My point was that literally everyone likes the game
Yes, that is what I'm highlighting. When trying to argue why P5 is the best game, you say that it is the most popular one. You're a low-iq moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>when even Ganker thinks the game is good
fighting a losing battle here
4 months ago
Anonymous
I miss when this board actually played videogames instead of recycling headlines about AI or the console market
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Ganker >2024
You mean twitter and reddit.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>moving the goalpost
I accept your concession.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the goalpost
What goalpost? You were the one who started crying that it's illegal to dislike P5 because Ganker likes it. Even if you could somehow prove that all oldgays love P5 that wouldn't mean shit. I'm just laughing at you for thinking that a poll on 2024 Ganker somehow represents true Ganker opinion.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>anon doesn't know how Ganker works
Sucks to suck. Not my fault you are mentally incapable of appreciating P5's glory. I'm about to start another playthrough for you, hope that makes you feel better 🙂
4 months ago
Anonymous
Soulshit is the cancer which ruined gaming forever I swear, look at all that bloat fromcucks got into the list
Exactly. When they say it, they're referring to a lack of blemishes on the skin. They're use of "white" when referring to skin is closer to "clear" in English.
Exactly. When they say it, they're referring to a lack of blemishes on the skin. They're use of "white" when referring to skin is closer to "clear" in English.
Shiroi (白い) is an i-adjective describing something as the color white, it has NOTHING to do with "clear" or "blemishes"
I know it's hard to accept that brown is an ugly color, but it's an untold truth, whether people publicly admit it or not : /
holyshit im LITERALLY KOREAN, i speak a bit japanese but it doesn't matter since we also use the word "white" to describe clear skin in korea, go frick yourself moronic westoids
Don't bother, dumbfrick could have one of his glorious nippon gods walk up to him and explain it and he won't budge because it violates his worldview about how he's being opressed
>i speak a bit japanese but it doesn't matter since we also use the word "white" to describe clear skin in korea,
No you use clear because you're American or whatever you are.
>Live in the country that's right next to Japan and whose language took some influence from >U-uhh. YOU'RE NOT A REAL ASIAN!!1!
These replies are legitimately concerning.
The anon is right about 白い, but actually Korean is completely isolated historically from all other languages. It's in a unique situation linguistically.
koreans are the most israelited asians in existence, id rather be a jeet. frick you slant eyed asiatic Black person./ your culture is shit too. report me idc, ill be in tokyo getting my dick sucked by multiple women at once in a few days anyway lmaoooo
>is racist against israelites (for poltard reasons) >still race mixes
lol lmao
To be fair your irl actions won't contradict your racist beliefs as you won't be having sex with anybody.
>is racist against israelites (for poltard reasons)
I hate israelites because they bombed me and my family. I'm lucky to be alive. You would never understand that because you're a sheltered little b***h with 0 life experience.
>To be fair your irl actions won't contradict your racist beliefs as you won't be having sex with anybody.
Already fricked several women in japan. Have several japanese and euro women waiting for me there.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>palestinian with internet and the ability to travel to japan and has multiple b***hes waiting for him there
ebin larp
4 months ago
Anonymous
Im not pali and you'd be surprised how many countries' innocent civilians they target. You probably think its a larp because you're such a lazy demoralized homosexual that you cant even conceive of a better life for yourself.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a multi millionaire actually
4 months ago
Anonymous
Gonna give you some real advice. Figure out what your dream is and work every waking moment to get there. I grind almost every night until midnight on my professional skills and fitness. Do the same and you might be able to live a life worth living. For whatever reason I think you may be able to pull it off, even if you sound like a total b***h made Black person.
4 months ago
Anonymous
What are you then? Druze? An arab oil baron on the palestine border?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I earned every penny I have. In fact I'm simultaneously lifting weights, working my job, and calling people Black folk on Ganker.
You're correct, but the translator is aiming for something different than a literal "word for word" translation. This is the same reason there are a bajillion different English translations of the Bible, which is originally Hebrew, Greek, and some Aramaic. It's nice to have multiple translations of different types to compare and develop a better understanding of the original meaning.
For example, "white skin" would be a very word-for-word and literal translation. It communicates the individual word meanings well, even if it might sound like an odd phrasing for a native English speaker to use. "Fair skin" would be a good thought-for-thought translation, because it is used in English to mean "white skin" sometimes, but also carries the connotation of a complement on beauty. "Flawless skin" would be a paraphrase or functional equivalent because the reader no longer knows that the original word means "white" but probably has an easy time understanding that Yukari is giving a complement.
Unfortunately, in today's American infected world, you can't tell people they're white and have it be considered a compliment. It's either a racist compliment or an insult.
Western society is filled with white people and doesn't have an emphasis on "white skin". If anything the West is obsessed with Black folk and tanned skin, so this line wouldn't make sense.
Contrast to Japan, and most asian countries in general, where most people are "yellow" and there is the belief that "white skin" = beauty while "dark skin" = ugly. This is because traditionally only plebs had to work outside all day and get tanned skin whereas royalty and affluent people stayed inside and had access to beauty products so their skin was typically whiter.
Amerimutts hate whites so much they now hate anything with light skin since it reminds them of whites
Americans worship Black folk and black skin. Why do you think they would understand someone being "white" as praise?
So what’s the translation look like in some of your (third world) mother tongues? You thirdies are always crying about “American” translations but nobody ever posts how awful every other non English or Japanese localization is by comparison. It’s always full of dumb thirdie cultural references or removed to appease your religions altogether.
It doesn't make a lot of sense because westerners don't really consider pale skin to be a positive thing. There are dozens and dozens of liberties like this throughout every single translated thing ever and the only reason you care is because you're a (probably brown) white nationalist
Western society is filled with white people and doesn't have an emphasis on "white skin". If anything the West is obsessed with Black folk and tanned skin, so this line wouldn't make sense.
Contrast to Japan, and most asian countries in general, where most people are "yellow" and there is the belief that "white skin" = beauty while "dark skin" = ugly. This is because traditionally only plebs had to work outside all day and get tanned skin whereas royalty and affluent people stayed inside and had access to beauty products so their skin was typically whiter.
Not that anon but you seem like the type of person who hates any localizations and rather keep Japanese puns and obscure references even if there's a screen-filling translators' note on it.
>you seem like the type of person who hates any localizations and rather keep Japanese puns and obscure references even if there's a screen-filling translators' note on it.
They effectively are dipshit. Inaccuracy from spamming homosexual plebbit memes or leftist politics or from "punching up" the dialogue results in an equally shitty product regardless.
That new Granblue game is a great example of this, fricking marvel tier quip shit cancer, not a single serious moment in the English script.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Inaccuracy from spamming homosexual plebbit memes or leftist politics or from "punching up" the dialogue results in an equally shitty product regardless.
Those are all relatively new examples. The "translation" community has absolutely been plagued in the last 10-15 years but it's moronic to just throw up your hands and say "no, direct translation only".
This is like saying Mother 3's localization is bad because it wasn't a 1:1 translation of Japanese text.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>handwaving
Oh boy I am shocked at this development.
Yeah bro, "doesn't happen often", it's totally not like every week there's a new game for this overarching discussion to talk about ruining a script with memes or politics or censorship or anything.
Don't even know why you say that and then in the same breath admit it's been happening for a while, albeit at largely wrong numbers, at least 30-35 years. What a dumbfrick, but I guess that's why you're crafting strawmen now.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No. You can't say that "all localization is bad" and then "good localizations don't count" in the same breath.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>good localization
Is an contradiction. Only translations should exist and the only things that get "localized" are the select few phrases in dialogue that make no sense in the target language.
Just because "ittadakimasu" doesn't come out cleanly doesn't mean you get to turn the whole script into "SWAGDABPOGCHAMP BY NON-BINARY FRIENDORINOES, #BLM!!!"
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Just because "ittadakimasu" doesn't come out cleanly doesn't mean you get to turn the whole script into "SWAGDABPOGCHAMP BY NON-BINARY FRIENDORINOES, #BLM!!!"
Weren't you literally just talking about strawmen? No one is saying that bullshit localizations like that should be acceptable.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no u
It's not a strawman, it's quite literally the thought process behind all localization. >removing Japanese culture and replacing it with western is actually... le good!
And this is why I don't take your "good localization" slop takes seriously. That shit is fricking trash, son. The fact that this fricking never happens with western media when localized to other languages is proof that it's unnecessary. Japanese media doesn't rename famous people like George Washington to fricking Takeshi Nakamura or something, frick off with this shit.
>words words words
if you put that amount of effort into studying japanese instead of screeching about a correct translation maybe you'd know japanese.
>"white skin" = beauty while "dark skin" = ugly.
This is true no only in Asia but in the entire world, it's just that Ameritards can't cope with that fact
>This isn't happening and you're crazy if you think it is, so be quiet. >This is happening, but only to such a minor degree that you're irrational if you think it's a big deal, so be quiet. >This is happening regularly, but it's not a problem and you're irrational if you think it is, so be quiet. >This is happening and you can't stop it any more, now we're going to laugh and gloat as you are exterminated.
I can kind of understand why they did it. We don't compliment people on being white, because it's our default look. We maybe say something if someone comes back tanned, because that usually means they were on vacation, at the beach or generally outdoors and active. And even then we usually say tanned or pale, not brown or white tho.
You know what I realized? I never see a hot blonde-haired white women with large breasts in any game anymore. Western games I mean. Maybe there are some in Japanese games I don't know.
But Western gaming has none of that. BG3 for example would've been perfect for a blonde-haired noble human female with large breasts as a love interest.
I talked to my ex the other day, who had the perfect straight bleach blonde hair that hung straight down to her huge fake breasts, the kind of hair that makes them super hot looking even from behind only to learn shes had her hair dyed brown since we broke up, blondes are too pretty that even blonde girls are willingly looking less pretty on purpose, never should have dated a leftists
Good thing is any girl with with that snowbunny hair wearing a blindfold in porn videos looks just like her, win for me and my dick
GOD I MISS MY COLLEGE YEARS
FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT AT WASEDA UNIVERSITY
I ATE SO MUCH HAIRY, BUSHY JAPANESE PUSSY IT'S UNREAL BROS
JET-BLACK BUSHY PUBIC HAIR PUSSY
I SO MUCH WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME
TO EAT MORE EXTREMELY HAIRY JAPANESE PUSSY
Western gaming/media prefers white skin because it still historicly outsells. We aren't that different from the east.
The "brown obsession" is just another vocal minority.
Guys, I do not understand. Everyone keeps saying that killing is different from sexualized minors. But, from my perspective, isn't that the same? Like it's not real, why would you even care about child in video game
Honestly, this line seems like it could just have been changed to what it was to sound more natural. But localizers do fear the word "white" as much as they fear character ages these days, so I can understand why you'd jump to the conclusion that it's censorship (and it very well could be).
I don't even think it's a "fear" thing. I never hear anyone say, "Wow, your skin is so white!" as a complement, even when it's just us white people talking amongst family or something. It carries the same connotation as "pale" these days, so I would interpret someone saying, "You're so white!" as them thinking I look like I'm gonna pass out.
"You have such clear skin!" or "You have such fair skin!" would sound like more natural complements, so I think the localization is actually good.
Yeah I agree. The English line sounds more natural which is why I think it might not be for censorship reasons. I have seen many examples that I couldn't defend though that were clearly some shithead going "Well this racist/sexist stuff won't fly here!" even if it's actually not.
Because calling someone pale at the beach is not a compliment in the states. Same reason why they don't directly translate saying someone has a small face. This is a really common edit to make in translation and has nothing to do with race.
There are so many shitty translations in the world but for some reason the only ones I ever see b***hed about are things like this where its actually a decent translation.
Like when everyone got assmad about translating キョドる as "sus" in that one anime when it eas literally a shortened, slang form of 挙動不審
Pretty much. I used to participate in them years ago and occasionally I'd have good discussions with people, but usually any rational explanation is either ignored or attacked. I remember one time seeing people say that kana only games are harder to read than games with kanji and I said that yeah, I remember having a phase like that too, but after you gain enough experience, kana only games—while not preferable—aren't hard anymore. Then I was told that I don't know Japanese and that kana only can never be easy.
They had some merit years ago when the complaints were along the lines of the fire emblem games getting rid of entire paragraphs but in their very recent incarnation it is just ridiculous and dumb as evidenced by this thread.
Very telling that this line has been in the game since FES, but it's NOW that anyone bats an eye at it.
>P3 translation must be amazing
I don't know if you mean the original or the remake, but it's alright for both. A few terrible choices here and there but not completely unbearable, which is a good thing nowadays.
listen Black folk, girls tell each other all the time here that their skin is white as a compliment. it translates to nice skin in English, shut the frick up about it and stop making this thread
I like reading these threads becasue they're simultaneously the most deranged and disatatached ramblings I ever read, but also still feel forced and are the definistion of making mountains out of anthills.
Anyone who thinks western women want to be told they have pale skin when they put on a swimsuit does not speak to women. I don't think my ex put on a swimsuit a single time without audibly worrying about being too pale
Kanji ain't shit tbh. You just grind that out. The real language barrier is shit like their cracked out word order that doesn't even tell you the tense until the very end of a sentence or trying to figure out the metaphorical uses of 掛ける and 付ける or how often they use じゃない in positive sentences or fricking COUNTERS or having to learn enough social shit to understand when they say "yes" but actually mean "no".
native people with an iq of 80 are speaking fluent japanese right now. it's not hard you just don't have the internal motivation required to do the time
i wish i could understand why they localize a character literally saying "senpai..." to "leader-san..."
do they think people understand honorifics enough to get adding -san to names, but they won't know what senpai means?
They keep honorifics but change the name order around. Like Yukari will call Ken, "Ken-kun" in the English dub when what she actually says is Amada-kun. That already doesn't make any sense, but it gets funnier since that isn't even consistent because then they don't change the name order around for cases like when Mitsuru is talking to you, she will call you by your last name.
Regarding the leader and senpai thing, they use senpai in the dub text often to refer to characters so that also just doesn't make sense.
Honestly the whole script must have been done by like 5 different people that weren't on the same page or something, I really don't know what happened.
To the gays arguing about e-girlcon ITT, I have to wonder why the hell you guys aren't just reading the jp wikipedia page on it. Shit is fascinating.
There's an entire section talking about how it was acceptable because people normally married at teen years etc. shit that reads like the usual reasoning you'd see from a e-girlcon here.
It's also plain to see that they treat e-girlcon as separate from pedophilia or at least the term pedophilia isn't as super loaded as it is in english there since there's also a section that talks about psychiatric definitions for sexual attraction to that age range and it's where I learned they have a separate word for pedophilia in 小児性愛, which redirects to a wikipedia page called ペドフィリア that is separate from ロリタ・コンプレックス
All I know is if you read a story with the pedo tag on syosetu, you're likely in for some infant or toddler fricking in the story. At least up to about 6 years old or so. I guess the yellow hat is a big part of it.
After that is e-girlcon. Authors use the word pedo (or e-girlpedo/pedoe-girl) when they give warning about the kids being younger in the story too.
Here's a good example
https://novel18.syosetu.com/n3596ie/
The beginning of the synopsis >*Contains cruel depictions, sexual depictions that go beyond e-girl and fall into the category of pedophilia. If you do not accept it, please back your browser.
That's the extent of my knowledge of how Japs use pedo and e-girlcon differently.
Actually no, I was reading a 2ch thread about a e-girlcon eroge from early 00s and they were arguing this difference between e-girlcon and pedophile in the thread come to think of it, I was kind of amazed. Or maybe they were arguing about whether e-girlcon applies to both 2D and 3D. Either way it was surprising to see them having the same arguments that you see on here as far back as 20 years ago.
I am begging people who get mad at translation to learn some Japanese, because there are plenty of shitty translations and certain translators have a miserable additude about it but you keep picking shit like this that is a perfectly normal translation and making the whole effort look moronic.
Do some anki. Read Tae Kim. Start reading some manga/vns.
Where the frick did I say anything like that? Do you still need to learn English, too?
I'm telling you to point out where there are problems but learn enough that you pick actual problems, because when you fly off your ass with your fricking three months of duolingo skills at innocuous shit like OP, you make the entire cause of holding translators accountable into a joke to anyone who has two braincells to bump together, and then when someone drops a FE Fates-tier translation, anyone who complains is going to look like another knee-jerk ignorant dipshit and they'll just get away with it.
Who the frick are you to decide what’s innocuous or not? >oh if only people on Ganker didn’t question why translators tried to hide the fact skin whitening creams exist and that fair skin is desirable I could hold those damn translators accountable for when they do something I specifically don’t like!
Lol kys moron
>Who the frick are you to decide what’s innocuous or not?
Pal, are you honestly telling me that the OP that switched one way of complementing skincare to another way of complementing skincare is THAT egregious?
Top would unironically have a different meaning/unintended idea in the west. Censorship is changing the original text to get rid of it's intended meaning. Something like getting rid of a joke aimed at trannies. When you change the original text because it would bring an idea the original didn't intend to, that's proper localization
"Flawless" is good enough imo but if you wanted it to be closer to pale and beautiful or something like that
>different meaning/unintended idea
No, the idea is exactly the same. That her pale, white skin is a desirable trait. The same is true in the West, which is why skin lightener is the most popular beauty product on the planet.
>exactly the same
It's bait/moronation but I'll play along. The idea is not the same. The japanese word they use, "shiroi" is just describing a color and has no relation to race. They have different words to describe white people/foreigners. The english word "white" could mean the color or it could mean white people. Even if it's obvious which meaning they were trying to use, using white could bring to mind the unintended UNUSED idea of of white people. Pale is the only word that would basically be exactly the same. Even though they're saying her skin is beautiful because it's lighter, they're not saying it in relation to white people (which they DO sometimes, but when they do they use words specifically for white people/foreigners) but just normal asian beauty standards/pure skin complexion
That's what I'm talking about in my post. That's literally a different word used for foreigners. Even though it's just the kanji for white and person smashed together it's literally a different word. They wouldn't use that to describe a character like truth from FMA who's LITERALLY white
Probably the dumbest piece of mental gymnastic JSL larp I’ve ever seen. You don’t understand Japanese and you definitely don’t know what the word white means.
somewhat related, for any beginner anons ITT looking to learn the te form for verbs (which is pretty much the same as informal past tense), sing along to this a few times:
4 months ago
Anonymous
Blessed anon
Thank you!
4 months ago
Anonymous
>the te form for verbs (which is pretty much the same as informal past tense)
Are you moronic? It’s the conjunctive form. It has no tense until the tense of the final verb is given.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I meant the conjugation, autist.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Why don’t use just say continuative form / ren’youkei like a normal person then, moron?
Honestly what kind of google translate-ass degree do you have to get to not recognize that the original text is intending to say that her skin is unblemished?
Awkward as frick, no one talks like this and doesn't say anything about it being free of blemishes
No idea. I just know why they didn't even hint at pale/fair skin in the English rewrite.
Because calling someone pale on the beach in the US is more like saying they look 青白い
4 months ago
Anonymous
>No one talks like this
Fair-skinned is a compliment no matter how much they try to erase it lol
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Hark! M'lady Mitsuru, thy radiant skin be both fair and true
4 months ago
Anonymous
Eh at this point if I heard someone call someone else "fair-skinned" they better be in their 50s or older.
4 months ago
Anonymous
What are you gonna do? Cry on the internet that they're not following the propaganda?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>propaganda
Oh so your angle is some homosexualy culture war thing. It's an old phrase for old people. Go pay for your mortgage and buy some suspenders Bartholomew.
>the te form for verbs (which is pretty much the same as informal past tense)
Are you moronic? It’s the conjunctive form. It has no tense until the tense of the final verb is given.
He means its the same as conjugating た form but you use て
if someone told me my skin is white the last thing i would think of is a compliment, the first thing that would come to mind is them calling me out for never leaving my house or something because that's what my grandma always meant when she called me white (she is right but i work from home now so frick you grandma), the second thing would be a serial killer trying to collect my skin as a trophy
>translation
It's not a translation, there's no accuracy there. It's a localization because it's intent on removing any and all Japanese imprint there is, which is why it's dogshit. >creepy and weird
Only in your conditioned homosexual brain do you think this way. With or without context it's completely innocuous, this was just politically motivated is all.
>hurr muh both sides
There is no 'coin', there are simply normal people who want accurate translations and schizo trannies who want to change things to make themselves feel important.
Yeah? And they don't give a shit. Instead they get ass blasted about what coach a football team has or that their neighbor sucks the dick of the wrong soda/truck/whatever coporation.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They can’t give a shit, anon. They literally can’t. They don’t speak Japanese. They aren’t gonna buy two copies of the game and compare translations, and they aren’t going to ever know the differences.
I’ll say it again: They don’t have a choice.
I'll explain it better for you. There are two types of schizo trannies. >The schizo trannies that get pissed if it stayed "white and flawless" >The schizo trannies that get pissed if it's changed from "White to flawless"
This thread and Ganker as a whole is the latter, while stuff like reddit/twitter/kotaku are the former. The normal people exist, but they're the least vocal on shit like this, they just play the game or not while getting on with their lives.
>change it >piss off way more people >countless threads and videos made about it >keep the """""problematic""""" line >like one or two assmad trannies post about it on xitter and their 3 other discord troony buttbuddies circlejerk about it
Pretty obvious to see the latter is a far better choice.
I wanna roll with
The gangstas
But so far they all think I'm too white and pretty
Think I'm just too white and pretty
Think I'm just too white and pretty
I'm just too white and pretty
Look at me and white and pretty
On top of everything else already said, ホントすっごい、白くてキレイ!is such a bland sentence. It's a perfect example of how generic and repetitive Japanese word choice is, especially in games.
A one-to-one translation would put you to sleep in English.
>normal people
oh "white" in this context means that mitsuru has pale skin which is considered a beauty standard in eastern japanese cultures >Ganker "people"
it OBVIOUSLY is commentary on racial politics and race baiting I cant believe the translators would include something that I completely made up in my head and have convinced my delusional self that this is true
>This is straight translation. You don't know shit or dick. Please learn some Japanese. >This is [redacted] translation. You don't know pussy or ass. Please learn some Spanish.
Translated your sentence how you'd like it 🙂
>i'll purposefully show you what you think you want in my mind and create a false dichotomy because i, in no way, totally am not just disrespecting your intelligence :*~~
not an argument
this is a proper translation though because culturally, its about desirable beautiful skin. in the west, people literally get tans which they believe look good. surely now you see the conflict with saying "your skin is so white and beautiful". Having white skin is not the same as having beautiful skin in the west because western people get tans purposefully
Seems impotent to b***h about this, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with creative projects you have no involvement with. You can choose not to consume it but that's really about it.
>seems really impotent to b***h about gamebreaking glitches, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with programming projects you have no involvment with. you can choose not to consume it but that's really about it >seems impotent to b***h about a terrible sequel that ruins an otherwise good cliffhanger, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with creative projects you have no involvement with. you can shoose not to consume it but that's really about it >seems impotent to b***h about car manufacturers suddenly locking you out of features behind a paywall without any warning, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with the manufacturing process you have no involvement with. you can choose not to consume it but that's really about it >just consoom, goy >scrutiny is just whining, goy
Nope, すごい is also synonymous with 非常にすばらしい, which is the case here. And while 日焼け could refer to a suntan, it's quite literally a sunburn.
2/10 you don't know Japanese
it's a compliment because it's asian media and they value fair skin. Darker skin is considered less attractive because it's the skin tone of physical laborers that work in the sun
The OP translation is what you are asking for but you have been baited by OP into thinkkng otherwise because he tied it to a hot button issue. Any amount of translation from a langauge as distant fom English requires a level of interpretation or you will get gibberish.
You have this idea that this is some glaring error and not the way you have to do all translation from Japanese to avoid a word salad because you know the word 白い and are interpreting it alone
You don't know Japanese if you think 白い isn't referring to the tone of her skin. You wanna know why she's asking if she already put sunscreen on? Because she thinks her skin looks very white, not very clear.
>it's what you are asking for
It's not, it's got some very obvious political stink to it. >projection
Dumbass. >muh Japanese is some magic language that we need to divine the stars to understand
Dumb homosexual plebbit meme that's patently false but is parroted nonstop by autists.
The original Japanese is some basic descriptor that can totally be 1:1'd in English and makes perfect sense, the troonylators just found it "problematic" to compliment someone for having white skin is all. It's such an innocuous, harmless thing otherwise that it makes zero sense to change it.
good thing the OP is translated accurately. You wouldn't know you japanese youtube learning homosexual
>y-you wouldn't le know
You can stop samegayging too
you never had a point, your concession has been accepted.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>y-you never had a point, n-no u
One of the many plays out of the troonylation apologist playbook. Unfortunately denying objective reality doesn't do much though, ducking out of the argument like a pussy to shitpost only makes you look more b***hmade.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>words words words
if you put that amount of effort into studying japanese instead of screeching about a correct translation maybe you'd know japanese.
Isn't "white and pretty " in this instance about her skin lacking imperfections like pimples or blemishes, if so "your skin is totally flawless" is a reasonable( and less clunky) way to translate it
Have you ever used a dictionary before, anon? That's the wrong sense of the word. It only means clear or pure when referring to the cleanliness of something. It means beautiful and fair when referring to someone's beauty.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It does imply clear skin though
4 months ago
Anonymous
It can, but in this case, she's merely commenting that her skin is beautiful for being of fair complexion.
>Unless you're implying black people can't have clear skin?
as a nigress enjoyer, it really peeves me that these intellectually dishonest dickslimes itt act as if 白い is some indecipherable eldritch glyph that the american localizing savior needs to change for us to get a clue on how we're supposed to interpret it, and it looks especially dumb when you factor in societal differences. the original scrpt knows what it's saying, and only some normie jones who knows dick all about japanese culture and language would be fooled
Based. As someone who knows Japanese, I'm also amazed at how people are pulling all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify the change.
I think they just can't accept that the change was put in place so that beautiful and white won't be in the same sentence.
That's the tactic that localization troons love though, acting like Japan has absolutely nothing synonymous in its wordage with English to justify fanfiction dogshit.
Based. As someone who knows Japanese, I'm also amazed at how people are pulling all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify the change.
I think they just can't accept that the change was put in place so that beautiful and white won't be in the same sentence.
The troonylation apologists always conveniently ignore these kinds of images in the OPs since it's obvious that people who know Japanese made these comparison images to point out how bad the English script is, all so they can keep spamming their fallacies to try and shut down any discussion of this topic.
The issue is that the woke left or whatever comes up with these absurd statements, but it's very hard to actually find good arguments against them.
>You should rename the "master" branch to the "main" branch
"Renaming it will break stuff" is a pretty weak argument, and not really backed up by anything except for extreme outlier scenarios.
>"Blacklist" and "whitelist" and problematic language, you should rename them to "denylist" and "allowlist".
Despite the former being well established terms, arguably, the latter terms are better, since they more clearly define what the things are. If you hear "allowlist" for the first time you can figure out what it means.
Basically, outside of the notion that these sorts of changes are clearly absurd, pointless, and don't actually fix anything, I personally haven't heard any concrete, empirical points against these sorts of changes. On the flip side, "these are very easy changes to make and don't hurt anyone" is largely a true statement, and for basically anyone sane it's easier to just cave in and make them, rather than obstinately standing up against them, since you'll immediately fall under suspicion once someone asks "why exactly are you so against doing this?"
I'd consider myself pretty liberal, and I think these sorts of things are moronic, I hate it whenever it happens, and I want everyone involved to just frick off forever. It's the same shit how every open source project apparently needs a code of conduct or whatever now.
the problem is that the actual argument against it is "stop trying to sanitize language to satisfy your own white guilt/inferiority complex, you stupid fricking b***h". Like, that's it, that's the real argument, and it is impossible to debate it because they do not hold the same fundamental values as us and do not care about those principles at all. And they're the ones who are currently ascendant socially and politically, so just making that argument and telling them to frick off doesn't end well, so instead you have to try and hold the line with a bunch of weak, fake arguments in the face of their inane complaining.
"Fair" would've been fine. It's not what they went for possibly because it sounds kind of old fashioned but yes it would've been a much better translation than "white".
fair is so fricking archaic you won't even catch grandma saying that
maybe if she were one of those joke characters that end every sentence in degozaru
girls still say fair because they have to use different kinds of makeup based on what their skin tone is, and under that system makeups are labelled as being for "fair skin" because it wouldn't sell as well if they labelled it "for ghostly pale skin like a banshee or other mythical night terror" or "extra caucasian for whitey only"
>Hey, my mechanic friend told me that getting your tire changed shouldn't cost $10,000, you're getting scammed. >HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT'S A SCAM THOUGH YOU AREN'T A MECHANIC
Literally what troonylation apologists do 24/7/365. Nothing but incessant, fallacious shitposting.
There is no second meaning to '白'. It's inaccurate because there is nuance or a second meaning in the Japanese. It's inaccurate because of the meaning it has in English, which is that Caucasians are superior to other races. That's why it was changed. Anything else is pure cope. Feel free to think it was a good change or not, but don't lie to yourself. It was done to appease the sensibilities of westerners who cannot help themselves but view everything through a racial lens.
Most likely it wasn't an 'agenda'. It was simply automatic.
By which I mean nobody had the conscious thought "this sounds racist and it would be better if it was changed". They don't even see it as censorship. They see it as translation because no American would ever voice such an idea as "your white skin is beautiful". They cannot conceive of such things as other cultures, or that their work should be respected and preserved.
i'm in the same boat, anon. hope translations eventually catch up with other non-japanese media, but until then, there really isn't much of a choice if you want a faithful script. it doesn't have to be this way nor should it
Japanese culture is classist. They historically have believed that people who stay inside all day instead of working outside are superior, and thus fetishize their features.
You know who else has fair skin in Japan? Hikkis. Let that sink in.
>They historically have believed that people who stay inside all day instead of working outside are superior, and thus fetishize their features
Woah, really? Gee, I wonder if any other cultures throughout history have also done that.
Not implying they haven't. Only in modern times have societies begun to value the labor of blue collar workers.
White skin is preferred everywhere. Poos have an entire caste system around it, ironically.
That's only for races that can tan when out in the sun all day, and you know nothing of the caste system. Picrel is a brahmin.
Beauty standards in general are always based on who is the highest class/has the most clout. Because the kardashians have big fake lips and asses everybody else in the west started copying them.
moron, Europeans did that shit too with royals, that's why they even called them "blue blood" since you could see their veins. Having pale skin untouched by the sun was seen as high class, the peasant laborers beneath you were tarnished by the sun's rays..
>thread still up >over 350 replies >nearly all arguing over the accuracy of a single word, used in a single line, from a translation that has thousands of lines
I guess localizers have a pretty hard job after all.
>muh heckin' epic single word/line/etc. handwave
I only changed one line in your socials that your employers have access to and made it say "I hate Black folk", no biggy though bro it's just one line 😉
>Um sweaty, the only context that matters is western (californian), therefore it was super duper necessary to change it from that icky icky gross gross Japanese trash.
Can't even call it sarcasm at this point since that is unironically how these homosexuals think.
White doesn't mean shes literally white, like a white person white, it means that her skin is pale which is seen as a positive thing to have in Japan. But in western cultures calling someone "pale" is generally an insult so just taking the entire phrase of 白くてキレイ and just using the word "flawless" is not a bad decision at all
The industry is full of idiots that suck shit at Japanese, for sure, but use examples of actual shitty work instead of this nonsense. There's A LOT to choose from, you don't need to grasp at straws like this
>e-ermmm the Japanese word for literally describing something as the color white doesn't actually mean le white
Seriously, where are you redditrannoids coming from? Like I'm genuinely curious.
New IP so obviously you were called in to assist in disingenuous shitposting on discord or something.
isn't it pretty explicit in its setting, though? the target demographic of persona games in the west already have an expectation of culture shock when playing these games, it almost sounds like they're just dumbing it down for american audiences
>Professional troonylator here
There's no confusion with "white and pretty." It means white and pretty. Flawless removes he part about it being a pretty white. There is no reason to change it.
The confusion could stem from westerner's interpretation of what "white" means. It would be weird if yukari praised mitsuru for her race, especially given that they're the same race.
They should have used "beautifully pale" to ensure the the skin color praise is gotten across while also getting rid of the negative connotation of "pale".
This example may seem minor, and in most cases it would be, but the well has been poisoned so horrendously that to an extent I don't blame people speaking out. What about using "pure as snow" as a description?
Not him but I already had a better replacement here
The confusion could stem from westerner's interpretation of what "white" means. It would be weird if yukari praised mitsuru for her race, especially given that they're the same race.
They should have used "beautifully pale" to ensure the the skin color praise is gotten across while also getting rid of the negative connotation of "pale".
It addresses the skin color, negative connotation of "pale", and does not have the potential racial connotation either.
The same deranged commies would complain about the implication that pale can be beautiful, racialize it. So you have the same problem on top of it sounding unnatural.
I did read that, but just tacking on the adjective doesn't really beat the pale allegations and makes it sound more like an underhanded, passive aggressive statement, or at the very least someone very socially awkward.
I bet if this was the exact line in the OP pic, people would still be b***hing that they added the word "snow" when "yuki" isn't present in the original and still be complaining that "white" isn't present when "shiroi" is. This thread is only halfway people arguing about accuracy anyway. There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
Adding snow as a word would be an understandable point of contention, but one that is just as if not more acceptable when applying the same rhetoric as this thread while including more of the original term's connotations. The rest of your post sounds more like inventing an enemy in your head to get mad at, and the opposite at least has actual precedent considering other lines in games talking positively about white skin have been outright flipped into insults. Accuracy via context is important, and I despise how awful jobs have caused people who know nothing to shit on the few examples that are actually well done, but the root cause are the ones abusing their position.
I bet if this was the exact line in the OP pic, people would still be b***hing that they added the word "snow" when "yuki" isn't present in the original and still be complaining that "white" isn't present when "shiroi" is. This thread is only halfway people arguing about accuracy anyway. There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
>There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
Hit the nail on the head lol
>There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
Hit the nail on the head lol
Nah, I'm pretty sure they just want the lines translated accurately. You know this is true because you'd never see the reverse here where people would want a line changed from the original meaning to something that glorifies the white race.
Sasuga discord raiders
that is a perfectly fine translation
in english speaking countries white is just normal or it used to be anyways, calling someone's skin white as a compliment would therefore sound moronic
>translation
It's not a translation, it's a localization, big difference as there was no intent on artistic integrity here. >in English speaking countries
Who cares about this context, it's Japanese media, the cultural imperialism applied is fricking cringe troony shit. have a nice day loser.
It doesn't "signify" anything you moronic EOP, they just find white skin pretty and that's what she's complimenting. Nothing about blemishes or perfection.
4 months ago
Anonymous
english isn't even my first language
and like sure, whatever. you think calling someone's skin white and pretty is an acceptable sounding compliment and not something a stalker would say,
by all means go out and let the women of the world know how you feel. hell, do it to western raised asian girls, I'm sure they'll extra appreciate it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No one cares what you find acceptable, it's literally what she said in words and meaning. If you somehow take offense to that then you're a fricking waste of oxygen.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It's another woman saying it to her though, you fricking moronic third worlder.
Christ, discussion on this site would be 10x better if IPs outside of the USA were range banned except on /misc/ and Ganker. Fricking useless shit that contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion.
4 months ago
Anonymous
first I'm some sheltered anglo, now I'm a pajeet in a mudhut; make up your minds will you
if another woman said that it would come off as facetious or 'culturally challenged', something you can only get away with if you're fresh off the boat
4 months ago
Anonymous
>if [some convenient scenario about muh cultural differences]
Disregarded, cultural imperialism is cringe homosexual shit with no place in media.
Australians call each other "c**t" as friendly banter and that doesn't get "localized" out when the dialogue makes its way to other western countries, it's just their culture. But for some reason only Japan's different culture "needs to be changed", funny how that works eh? Totally not politically motivated or anything.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They wouldn't say 白くてキレイ to a pale basement dwelling neckbeard covered in pimples
It quite literally isn't, as explained by other people in the thread. Try again moron.
>Who cares about this context
People trying to sell the game to kids that don't know or care about Japanese culture.
>kids
Not playing Persona. >that don't know or care about Japanese culture.
Which isn't people that are explicitly going out of their way to consume Japanese media like Persona, dumbass. If they just wanted an RPG with pretentious trite themes they could go touch anything western instead.
Look, they know weebs are gonna buy it regardless. They want to sell it to non-weebs too.
Stupid ass take again. Why bother taking the risk of trying to include another demographic if you already have a sizeable base of people that will buy your stuff? I guess you homosexuals will say anything to keep licking that boot though.
>ask why someone would do something >get explanation from a peer >accuse peer of being the person you don't understand because you don't like their answer
This is how you die alone, Anon. I don't have to be Atlus or Sega to know they wanna make money and think they will do so by catering to casuals.
normalgays all completely despise anime shit though and sweeping trannified script changes do nothing to stop that, hasn't for decades, so it's pointless still
dipshit
4 months ago
Anonymous
Fake news. Persona games have sold well since og 5 on ps3/ps4.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Well for anime games, yeah. Doesn't come close to western movieslop though.
Try again.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>normalgays all completely despise anime shit though
Hey, the 90s called. They were asking where Blockbuster went and wanted us to buy them some video tapes on our trip overseas so they can watch the hot new Japanimations. I told em to just check out the stuff on Netflix like everybody else.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>normalgays all completely despise anime shit though
Brother that's a long time gone. Even the jocks at my Highschool watched anime and that was ten years ago.
>hurrr gymbros watched Dragon Ball that's totally the same lololol
Not even remotely good faith, these posts.
4 months ago
Anonymous
it was the black kids that watched exclusively shonen a large part of the football team watched shit like Love Live. I think it might have started ironically, but the time I got to know most of them playing in the band they were just actually watching whatever came out every season. I got them into Mushishi and shit and just wound up being absorbed into the collective. I'm not saying it was everyone and there was plenty of guys that didn't care, but getting harassed because you like anime has been dead for over a decade where I grew up unless you bring up some incredibly weird shit unironically.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>my totally real anecdote invalidates everything anyone else says
Totally not a disingenuous post right here
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes because the initial opinion that all normies hate anime was totally legitimate and factual without any basis in someone's personal anecdote. I think you doth protest too much, Anon.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Dude I volunteer with basic-b***h white American middle school kids, and they all watch at least some anime. Imagine being a middle school kid today, and finding out One Piece exists by doing a casual google of "good anime shows". You now have a show with over 1000 episodes you can binge. They love that shit.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>muh one piece
Wow so basically reskinned Dragon Ball, cool anecdote.
Yes because the initial opinion that all normies hate anime was totally legitimate and factual without any basis in someone's personal anecdote. I think you doth protest too much, Anon.
>opinion
Fact*
FOTM shounenshit is stomachable for normalhomosexuals, anything outside of that is written off entirely.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>normies hate anime! >n-n-no! Dragon Ball and One Piece don't count because... because they just don't okay!?
lol cope and seethe
Besides, Death Note is still incredibly popular and so plenty of other non-shonen junk. But we all know you're just gonna keep walking those goalposts back. Face it, anime is casual now. You aren't special or weird for liking it, and people still hate you.
4 months ago
Anonymous
DB, OP or Death Note are ultra sterile shit with absolutely bare minimum Japanese aspects to them, basically only the names of some characters, which makes it so they aren't hated by normalhomosexuals. It's not rocket science.
You can cry all you want about me pointing that out but it's true and you know it, otherwise shit like To Love Ru or something would be equally as popular, no? So why isn't it, hmm? Care to explain little gay?
You won't though, all you apologist Black personhomosexuals just can't stop posting fallacious homosexualry nonstop just to beat people over the head into submission.
have a nice day.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>normalgays all completely despise anime shit though
Brother that's a long time gone. Even the jocks at my Highschool watched anime and that was ten years ago.
白 - white
くて- joins adjectives
キレイ - beautiful/pretty
"White (and) beautiful."
Quite literally a perfect 1:1, no changes needed, yet troonylators and their whiteknights will insist that the language is some fricking indecipherable alienspeak that just need to be "felt out" or revealed through a crystal ball or some shit to justify them changing it due to political reasons.
Based Japanese knower, though it should be noted that grammatically, this should be parsed as 白く + て, because 白い is conjugated to its continuative form (連用形) with the inflectional conjunctive suffix て added to it.
To the gays arguing about e-girlcon ITT, I have to wonder why the hell you guys aren't just reading the jp wikipedia page on it. Shit is fascinating.
There's an entire section talking about how it was acceptable because people normally married at teen years etc. shit that reads like the usual reasoning you'd see from a e-girlcon here.
It's also plain to see that they treat e-girlcon as separate from pedophilia or at least the term pedophilia isn't as super loaded as it is in english there since there's also a section that talks about psychiatric definitions for sexual attraction to that age range and it's where I learned they have a separate word for pedophilia in 小児性愛, which redirects to a wikipedia page called ペドフィリア that is separate from ロリタ・コンプレックス
Do you honestly think people wouldn't complain incessantly if they kept that line as-is? That it wouldn't bring bad publicity when people who don't even play the game bring up that specific line over and over, not even because they care, but for idpol brownie points?
I've had time to think about it and I don't think I would have been taken out of it at all if she said "your skin is so white and pretty"
I live in the Philippines now and they literally use the word for white as a compliment here, I've heard people say as much to my wife because she's half chinese and not fully flip. Also "whitening" is the most common term used in cosmetic products and the word for clear/fair in "kinis" is usually conflated with white in common parlance.
I honestly just think it's an asian thing.
>the group of "people" (subhumans in reality) notorious for erasing heterosexuality from scripts totally wouldn't remove anything complimenting white skin
How naive can you homosexuals be?
All this bullshit about how super indecipherable 白い is supposed to be is really reminding me of how 13S troonylators once translated この方は都合がいいんだ into some sort of non binary joke and homosexuals tried justifying it because the character was a coder or some shit
sorry I meant この方が都合がいいんだ
It just means "this way is/was convenient"
the context is that the character was a homosexual that crossdressed while he was in 1940s japan because he's effeminate and wouldn't have been able to blend in.
I think people have comparison pics of the line, it used to be a hot topic
I don't have the pics at hand nor do I remember it exact;y, but the pic I did post is a japanese persons translation of it.
"Some binaries are okay for me and some aren''t, so to speak"
I'm just tired of hack writers getting mad they're dogshit and taking it out by working on translations or remakes of good IPs and ruining them out of spite. Just leave the fricking industry. You didn't make it. That sucks for you, but leave the actual good shit alone.
Ever since I've started learning japanese for their media and french and german for their literature, I've started to fear that I've begun to think literally any translation is fanfiction to begin with. All of the continental philosophy authors I read back in the day feel so different in their native languages.
At this rate I'll even convince myself to learn Russian
Because wokelizers find making their own stories too hard so they latch onto any existing IPs to signal boost their ideals. They're not translators, they're activists. Even with AI being around the same few wokelizers would remain because of nepobabies.
while I am normally on the side of total localizer death even I cannot fault them for this because the actual intent of the line(yukari compliments mitsuru's skin) is unchanged and you know full well that if they had directly translated it as "white" there would have been millions of morons complaining about it being racist, somehow. This is the same reason I give them a pass for replacing the troony with a crazy woman: it was unreasonable for me to expect them to keep it, so I accept them changing it to something neutral instead of replacing it with some woke horseshit as the best they could do. They could have replaced the line with yukari complimenting mitsuru's confidence or some other garbage on the grounds that having girls care about their appearance is sexist, and instead they kept it as close as they could without drawing a bunch of unnecessary heat. I am willing to forgive this and ultimately declare that this translation is far better than I expected it to be, and that if I want better quality then the impetus is on me to just learn Japanese.
Because white means pale in this context, not caucasian? Japanese people traditionally consider pale skin as a sing of wealth, because it means that you weren't out in the fields working.
The like "you skin is so pale and pretty" would sound super weird in English because in the west people like tanned skin. Calling someone pale is almost an insult, like telling them they look ill.
It's not very hard to figure out.
they should have used "fair" because that's the word actually used in english to refer to pale skin in a positive way.
Good point. I didn't think of the word "fair". That actually makes more sense.
Still a fricking weird thing for a teenager to say, but she did say it the original, I guess. Not like the rest of the dialogue isn't weird anime bullshit too.
Would they though? I don't think whiter skin is usually a desirable trait if you're already caucasian.
Nobody would complement a white person for being whiter that other white people, or at least I can't imagine it.
I do agree that obviously white people are generally considered more attractive than other races, but that's not the point.
historically whiter skin was desirable on white women, with most old-timey makeup essentially being white powder. This is because there are only two attractive skin tones on white people: tanned and #FFFFFF, and being tanned was historically associated with being poor and having to be outside all the time so pure white was preferred. That's not the case anymore but having pure white skin on a girl is still desirable if they can't hold a tan, because the alternatives are red, freckly, or blotchy.
There's literally a word for nice white skin, which we're talking about. But a teenager is likelier to say "white and pretty" instead of "fair" to mean the same thing.
It's neither attractive nor unattractive on its own. Most white Americans dunk on people for being super pale. I'm not that old, and all my friends growing up used to laugh about being "blinded" by looking at our pale blonde friend and I vividly remember kids complaining about how pale they were. Lots of white women still go out getting tans intentionally these days, even if that's less of a thing now that people are more aware of it causing cancer and making your skin age prematurely. This exists in the same society that has literary figures like Snow White and generally ranks Anglo features as "sexiest" or "most beautiful" since most people (and especially wealthy people that are healthy and famous) are white. Whiteness on its own, for most Americans, is just kind of a nothingburger.
Like if you complemented a white girl on how white her skin was, she would probably think you were a weirdo. A black girl would probably appreciate it if you were also black (since black people tend to talk a lot about how light/dark someone is), but probably think you're a skinhead nazi creeper with jungle fever if you said that and you were white.
"white and pretty" doesn't sound weird at all. no reason to change it to pale, because only the most brainrotted subhuman would interpret that as "caucasian and pretty."
>"white and pretty" doesn't sound weird at all. >only the most brainrotted subhuman would interpret that as "caucasian and pretty."
Just say you are ESL.
You didn't offer a single counterpoint moron.
He's right, just because westoids hear "white" and immediately think of caucasians doesn't mean that her describing the color of one girl's skin has anything to do with race.
The only ESLs here are you 'tards for thinking the posters in this thread are assuming the same. There's some very obvious nuance missed here in this discussion only if you're a third worlder, which you all are.
>"white and pretty" doesn't sound weird at all. >only the most brainrotted subhuman would interpret that as "caucasian and pretty."
Just say you are ESL.
Can someone provide 1 (one) scene in a western TV show or game where a character praises another's skin for being white?
Bear in mind we can find hundreds of examples of this in Japanese games alone.
The thought process is if white is pretty, danger hairs will interpret it as black isn't pretty. It's literally just trying to prevent moronic racist white women from screeching about racism.
if you watch anime you might notice that when there's a scene where someone is eating a common comment is that "the flavor is mild." when you think about it that doesn't really make sense in an american context. it might even be considered an insult like saying it's not seasoned. most people are smart enough though to understand the context of the statement and intuit that it is a compliment and that nips must like bland food.
in the same way anyone with room temperature iq should be able to understand that yukari is making a compliment and that japs must like pale skin. the only reason this line was changed and the other example is not is because of political motivations.
Why are westoids brainwashed to hate the most beautiful skin complexion?
Why does everything have to be ranked? Can't I enjoy both for different things just like I can enjoy both ice cream and potato chips without comparing them?
Yeah food anology
Cringe
Natural fertile women aren't hairy
You've consumed too much jav
>Natural fertile women aren't hairy
you have consumed to much western porn
fertiledols aren't western
I like a more peach color skin tone in whites, don't really care for the paler skin tones all that much unless they're distinguished with freckles like ginger whites have.
that much freckles like pic related is disgusting, it looks sickly, like some skin condition or a dead body beginning to decompose
Nearly all white people actually have those. They're just subcutaneous until sun exposure flips them "on". Freckly people just have ones that show up on the surface level of their skin more easily. There's an interesting video showing how it looks with UV light here:
綺麗
light brown (not black) is the hottest skin tone thoughever
Dark black is the hottest because it absorbs the most light.
Nobody hates Latinas though, just those ugly balding leather skinned white women
>beautiful
says the cum guzzler
Jews
in a game where every character portrait looks like that, what impact does saying someone is “white and pretty” even mean? Saying someone’s skin is flawless makes 10x more sense given the context
>Saying someone’s skin is flawless makes 10x more sense given the context
Okay but that's not what the character said. As a translator your job is to translate, not change the script.
No it's not, your job as a translator is to make things make sense to whatever country you're localizing for, literal translation is stiff, confusing and lifeless and only an amateur would do that
>your job as a translator is to make things make sense to whatever country
But they make sense for 99.99% of the target English audience
Only commiefornians confuse normal conversations as le weird and wrong
>As a translator your job is to translate, not change the script.
but when i translate "e-girlcon" into "pedophile" i get hanged by weebs
depends on the context
If I call you a homosexual, you shouldn't translate it to homosexual even if they're similar.
yet calling someone a gay on here can have a slightly different meaning
like how a greasy online nerd saying "e-girlcon" might mean something different then a normalgay saying it
Good, because it's not the same.
>weeb
Anime website. Anime thread, indeed, newhomosexual.
Weeb used to be an insult, not a term to describe anyone having an interest in a japan related media, newbie trying to fit in
it's still an insult
バカ
This always amuses me. They use the most moronic arguments to say that e-girlcon and pedophile isn't the same thing. But if you look it up in a Japanese dictionary...
>「ロリータ コンプレックス」の略。性愛の対象として少女・幼女を求める心理。
They aren't though. e-girlcon has a gender component to it while pedo applies to boys and girls
Also Japs use pedo too
Uh huh
Are you claiming that e-girlcon and shotacon mean literally the same thing?
e-girlcon = pedophile
shotacon = pederast
there, problem solved
e-girlta was first published in English.
by an ESL CIA asset
Meaning Japanese is like third-level usage at most.
I feel like "kiddy-lover" or something similar would be more in the same spirit of how the Japanse use "e-girlcon". Slightly more playful and less serious, but still definitely considered a bad thing. You won't hear "e-girlcon" in a news report about child abuse, for example.
They do use the loan-words "pedophile" and "child molester" in Japan, but idk if they have a more native word for the same concept.
>just sugarcoat it bro
really anon? you're neurodeviant and you should Kurt Cobain yourself (cutely) :3
People like you are why they just translate it to "pedophile" to play it safe. Just like you, there are plenty of people that will accuse them of some malicious ulterior motive if they try to find an accurate translation. No different from the people in this thread claiming there's some leftist agenda behind using the word "flawless" instead of "white" for skin.
I'm saying the two words are used differently in their respective languages. "Cradle-robber" would probably be another good one that I've heard people use before. It's obviously still a negative word with the same meaning, but not a stuff legal one like "pedophile". It's like the difference between translating something to "officer" versus "cop". It'll depend on what character is saying the word and how they're using it.
Yeah, but if I heard the word "girl-lover", it would normally be a young boy saying it to accuse another young boy of being weird for liking girls.
>no u c pedos r m ok n jap
Did you people both reply to the wrong post?
Anyway, the Japanese word for "pedophile" is 小児性愛者 or "shonen-seiai sha"
You can search for that term on Japanese news websites and get a shitload of articles using it. It's what would be the most one-to-one translation for "pedophile". If they were using the word "e-girlcon", it would look super unprofessional or creepy. "e-girlcon" is just a word that otaku/nerds use and normal young people would use to jokingly accuse each other of being creepy degenerates.
>omg sweety your skin is white!
that sounds more like a weird observation than a compliment, maybe if you're ESL or autistic this might sound normal to you
wouldn't "girl-lover" fit more?
e-girlcon IS a gendered word after all, used for people who like e-girls (so, female girls)
>Japanese: "I didn't know you were a e-girlcon."
>Shitty localisation (SL): "I didn't know you were a pedophile."
>Good localisation: "I didn't know you were into little girls."
holy shit where's my localisation money
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e-girlcon
it's short for two borrowed words and isn't a japanese word that needs translation
cope, pedo
Who said it was the translator that did this? Scripts have localizers and editors and a bunch of people in roles that can input whatever changes they want onto the script.
Also do you have the job description of the translator? Are you their employer? Who are you to say what their job description is?
t. translates エモい as "dude it's so emo"
>As a translator your job is to translate, not change the script.
Sit down and shut your fricking mouth when you're talking about something you don't understand.
The fricking irony, stupid leftoid.
sorry, but you're a translator, not a writer. stay in your lane and don't take your bitterness out on us
Yeah I'm a translator which means I write what gets put into the final product and you don't. Stay in in your lane and don't take your bitterness out on us
that's a stupid assertion because as a consumer i expect an accurate translation as a standard, not whatever incompetent hackjob fanfiction you came up with because you couldn't break into literature, and your employer should hold you to that same standard. i seriously hope you weren't trying to flip the script here
I've never translated anything in my life
Don't have a nice day when a computer takes your job will you
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
If Japanese were translated, word per word, it would make no sense because their sentences are differently structured. Not to mention all the metaphors that would make no sense in another language.
This cope again
What do you mean "cope"?
It's a fact. If Japanese is to be translated to English, you 100% will have to change the script since a lot of it wouldn't make sense.
There's no ambiguity here. She said "white and pretty" in Japanese. There is no reason to translate it otherwise.
stupid ass highschool dropout
This isn't German mate, Japanese might as well be an alien language, "direct translation" is a pipe dream. That doesn't give lisence for shitheads to take liberties but this is translating the intent with good translation principles.
You don't want translation where people are saying "I have wronged you!" every time they walk into a room, do you?
Good thing their job is to localise, not translate.
That is in fact what was said, in Japanese calling someone's skin white has no racial connotations. Translating it to "white" would've been inaccurate because in English that does evoke racial ideas.
In Japanese calling someone's skin white is saying that their skin is white. It means the same thing in English.
No Japanese person is white, and yet they use this word for eachothers' skin.
have a nice day moron
No one is white. It doesn't exist. It's European and European descent
And Japanese people are not European so clearly when they call their 肌 白い it doesn't mean
>wow your skin is caucasian
Exactly moron, they're talking about skin color. Saying "your skin is so white" means the same thing in English. It's not calling the other person caucasian you fricking imbecile.
You don't call another person's skin white in English, it's not a thing that happens in daily conversation. It would just be an unnatural line.
I've literally heard arab b***hes say this to each other in English. Take your fricking keyboard warrior worldview and shove it up your axewound.
>You don't call another person kun in English, it's not a thing that happens in daily conversation. It would just be an unnatural line.
So weird how the troonyslators decided to keep those pesky honorifics lol
Take your own advice and blow your estrogen poisoned brains across the streets, troony freak.
>That is in fact what was said, in Japanese calling someone's skin white has no racial connotations. Translating it to "white" would've been inaccurate because in English that does evoke racial ideas.
Wrong, it would have been accurate. You homosexuals want to "localize" though, not translate, which is why you are even considering "muh western sensibilities" to begin with, which is unnecessary cancer shit that has no place in media.
Some Americans/Anglos are mentally ill. Not everyone who speaks English.
>someone’s skin is flawless
So like every character portrait
Asians love pale skin.
It's why for example Chinese say stuff like"jade like skin".
no Chinese person says that shut up moron
A better question is why are you like this.
Anyone who plays Persona is a fricking shut in weird boy so idk what you expect.
Persona stopped being niche almost a decade ago
>Persona stopped being good almost a decade ago
P5 is the best one. Reminder.
>game journos say it's good so that means it's good
Thanks, I couldn't possibly have come up with a better description of P5gays. You just illustrated everything wrong with the game and the people it attracted, it's absolutely perfect.
>didn't notice the steam reviews that were included
So you're blind AND moronic
The moronation of valuing game journo opinions outweighs the moronation of valuing steam user opinions.
I have to wonder why you thought that was some sort of gotcha, though. Even if I didn't see the bottom of the pic you're still a brainless tard.
My point was that literally everyone likes the game and you have a mental defect for not being able to appreciate it :^)
>My point was that literally everyone likes the game
Yes, that is what I'm highlighting. When trying to argue why P5 is the best game, you say that it is the most popular one. You're a low-iq moron.
>when even Ganker thinks the game is good
fighting a losing battle here
I miss when this board actually played videogames instead of recycling headlines about AI or the console market
>Ganker
>2024
You mean twitter and reddit.
>moving the goalpost
I accept your concession.
the goalpost
What goalpost? You were the one who started crying that it's illegal to dislike P5 because Ganker likes it. Even if you could somehow prove that all oldgays love P5 that wouldn't mean shit. I'm just laughing at you for thinking that a poll on 2024 Ganker somehow represents true Ganker opinion.
>anon doesn't know how Ganker works
Sucks to suck. Not my fault you are mentally incapable of appreciating P5's glory. I'm about to start another playthrough for you, hope that makes you feel better 🙂
Soulshit is the cancer which ruined gaming forever I swear, look at all that bloat fromcucks got into the list
This, my normie bartender sister plays P5
is she single
What's the issue? "white" just means clear in most languages you fricking morons, this board is embarrassing
except 白い doesn't really have that connotation, she's literally saying her skin is white
White doesn't mean clear in asian cultural contexts. Their women are obsessed with looking pale instead of yellow.
Exactly. When they say it, they're referring to a lack of blemishes on the skin. They're use of "white" when referring to skin is closer to "clear" in English.
No, that's what 綺麗 is meaning. Your skin is so white and clean. prostituteson b***h c**t.
You're an idiot.
Idiot or not it's correct.
Don't worry buddy you'll pass N5 someday
Americans being Black folk as usual with thei moronic payops. Nothing new, really
Shiroi (白い) is an i-adjective describing something as the color white, it has NOTHING to do with "clear" or "blemishes"
I know it's hard to accept that brown is an ugly color, but it's an untold truth, whether people publicly admit it or not : /
holyshit im LITERALLY KOREAN, i speak a bit japanese but it doesn't matter since we also use the word "white" to describe clear skin in korea, go frick yourself moronic westoids
You will never be a real asian
Cope
Don't bother, dumbfrick could have one of his glorious nippon gods walk up to him and explain it and he won't budge because it violates his worldview about how he's being opressed
>i speak a bit japanese but it doesn't matter since we also use the word "white" to describe clear skin in korea,
No you use clear because you're American or whatever you are.
>Live in the country that's right next to Japan and whose language took some influence from
>U-uhh. YOU'RE NOT A REAL ASIAN!!1!
These replies are legitimately concerning.
The anon is right about 白い, but actually Korean is completely isolated historically from all other languages. It's in a unique situation linguistically.
koreans are the most israelited asians in existence, id rather be a jeet. frick you slant eyed asiatic Black person./ your culture is shit too. report me idc, ill be in tokyo getting my dick sucked by multiple women at once in a few days anyway lmaoooo
>is racist against israelites (for poltard reasons)
>still race mixes
lol lmao
To be fair your irl actions won't contradict your racist beliefs as you won't be having sex with anybody.
>is racist against israelites (for poltard reasons)
I hate israelites because they bombed me and my family. I'm lucky to be alive. You would never understand that because you're a sheltered little b***h with 0 life experience.
>To be fair your irl actions won't contradict your racist beliefs as you won't be having sex with anybody.
Already fricked several women in japan. Have several japanese and euro women waiting for me there.
>palestinian with internet and the ability to travel to japan and has multiple b***hes waiting for him there
ebin larp
Im not pali and you'd be surprised how many countries' innocent civilians they target. You probably think its a larp because you're such a lazy demoralized homosexual that you cant even conceive of a better life for yourself.
I'm a multi millionaire actually
Gonna give you some real advice. Figure out what your dream is and work every waking moment to get there. I grind almost every night until midnight on my professional skills and fitness. Do the same and you might be able to live a life worth living. For whatever reason I think you may be able to pull it off, even if you sound like a total b***h made Black person.
What are you then? Druze? An arab oil baron on the palestine border?
I earned every penny I have. In fact I'm simultaneously lifting weights, working my job, and calling people Black folk on Ganker.
You're correct, but the translator is aiming for something different than a literal "word for word" translation. This is the same reason there are a bajillion different English translations of the Bible, which is originally Hebrew, Greek, and some Aramaic. It's nice to have multiple translations of different types to compare and develop a better understanding of the original meaning.
For example, "white skin" would be a very word-for-word and literal translation. It communicates the individual word meanings well, even if it might sound like an odd phrasing for a native English speaker to use. "Fair skin" would be a good thought-for-thought translation, because it is used in English to mean "white skin" sometimes, but also carries the connotation of a complement on beauty. "Flawless skin" would be a paraphrase or functional equivalent because the reader no longer knows that the original word means "white" but probably has an easy time understanding that Yukari is giving a complement.
Unfortunately, in today's American infected world, you can't tell people they're white and have it be considered a compliment. It's either a racist compliment or an insult.
So what’s the translation look like in some of your (third world) mother tongues? You thirdies are always crying about “American” translations but nobody ever posts how awful every other non English or Japanese localization is by comparison. It’s always full of dumb thirdie cultural references or removed to appease your religions altogether.
Depend on game, this time unfortunately it was 1:1 translated from EN version
>So what’s the translation look like in some of your (third world) mother tongues?
The same as OP. USA is a third world country anon.
It doesn't make a lot of sense because westerners don't really consider pale skin to be a positive thing. There are dozens and dozens of liberties like this throughout every single translated thing ever and the only reason you care is because you're a (probably brown) white nationalist
Japs aren't white
There's plenty of bad translation tidbits out there but this ain't one chief.
Western society is filled with white people and doesn't have an emphasis on "white skin". If anything the West is obsessed with Black folk and tanned skin, so this line wouldn't make sense.
Contrast to Japan, and most asian countries in general, where most people are "yellow" and there is the belief that "white skin" = beauty while "dark skin" = ugly. This is because traditionally only plebs had to work outside all day and get tanned skin whereas royalty and affluent people stayed inside and had access to beauty products so their skin was typically whiter.
> this line wouldn't make sense
you are probably one of those morons defending pic related because "westeners do not eat onigiri
Not that anon but you seem like the type of person who hates any localizations and rather keep Japanese puns and obscure references even if there's a screen-filling translators' note on it.
>you seem like the type of person who hates any localizations and rather keep Japanese puns and obscure references even if there's a screen-filling translators' note on it.
yes
If the "localization" change the script, it's shit. Simple as.
>have to know Japanese to know why you're mad about not knowing Japanese
why are Gankertards like this?
バカ
Some of my favorite anime are full of puns like Zayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Bakemonogatari.
>you seem like the type of person that likes a good product instead of AIDS homosexual rewrites and censorship
That's normal.
You are moronic if you think every localization is some Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid-level or 4kids One Piece-level bullshit.
They effectively are dipshit. Inaccuracy from spamming homosexual plebbit memes or leftist politics or from "punching up" the dialogue results in an equally shitty product regardless.
That new Granblue game is a great example of this, fricking marvel tier quip shit cancer, not a single serious moment in the English script.
>Inaccuracy from spamming homosexual plebbit memes or leftist politics or from "punching up" the dialogue results in an equally shitty product regardless.
Those are all relatively new examples. The "translation" community has absolutely been plagued in the last 10-15 years but it's moronic to just throw up your hands and say "no, direct translation only".
This is like saying Mother 3's localization is bad because it wasn't a 1:1 translation of Japanese text.
>handwaving
Oh boy I am shocked at this development.
Yeah bro, "doesn't happen often", it's totally not like every week there's a new game for this overarching discussion to talk about ruining a script with memes or politics or censorship or anything.
Don't even know why you say that and then in the same breath admit it's been happening for a while, albeit at largely wrong numbers, at least 30-35 years. What a dumbfrick, but I guess that's why you're crafting strawmen now.
No. You can't say that "all localization is bad" and then "good localizations don't count" in the same breath.
>good localization
Is an contradiction. Only translations should exist and the only things that get "localized" are the select few phrases in dialogue that make no sense in the target language.
Just because "ittadakimasu" doesn't come out cleanly doesn't mean you get to turn the whole script into "SWAGDABPOGCHAMP BY NON-BINARY FRIENDORINOES, #BLM!!!"
>Just because "ittadakimasu" doesn't come out cleanly doesn't mean you get to turn the whole script into "SWAGDABPOGCHAMP BY NON-BINARY FRIENDORINOES, #BLM!!!"
Weren't you literally just talking about strawmen? No one is saying that bullshit localizations like that should be acceptable.
>n-no u
It's not a strawman, it's quite literally the thought process behind all localization.
>removing Japanese culture and replacing it with western is actually... le good!
And this is why I don't take your "good localization" slop takes seriously. That shit is fricking trash, son. The fact that this fricking never happens with western media when localized to other languages is proof that it's unnecessary. Japanese media doesn't rename famous people like George Washington to fricking Takeshi Nakamura or something, frick off with this shit.
>shitposting again
Didn't read.
Americans worship Black folk and black skin. Why do you think they would understand someone being "white" as praise?
Cookies are indeed better than riceballs.
>this line wouldn't make sense.
You have to be totally disconnected from today's youth if you think they wouldn't understand that line
>"white skin" = beauty while "dark skin" = ugly.
This is true no only in Asia but in the entire world, it's just that Ameritards can't cope with that fact
Amerimutts hate whites so much they now hate anything with light skin since it reminds them of whites
americans are too stupid to understand japanese autism
surprised that people don't now about tsukkomi, many animes have this
>only one region in Japan is capable of jokes
damn
it all becomes much more easily understood when you realize its the concept of a "straight man" in comedy.
I'm suprised Harada knows Asuka exists at all with how she got treated in T8's story.
Show me busty yukari in a bikini
yeah, why can't they just stop putting them everywhere?
>This isn't happening and you're crazy if you think it is, so be quiet.
>This is happening, but only to such a minor degree that you're irrational if you think it's a big deal, so be quiet.
>This is happening regularly, but it's not a problem and you're irrational if you think it is, so be quiet.
>This is happening and you can't stop it any more, now we're going to laugh and gloat as you are exterminated.
Take meds
This could just as easily be applied to this board. There is a 300+ reply thread every time a black person is in a game.
>you can't complain about something because there are bigger problems
You can, you're just petty as frick in the process.
>man complains his food is cold while the world burns
With that logic, you shouldn't be playing video games you should be in Africa helping people who are worse off than you.
what if he isn't rich? what if all the power to change the world is in the hands of a few corporations?
how bad does it have to be that even the nogs hate it?
Would you tell a girl they look white and pretty?
>Would you tell a girl they look white
We should while we still can
I can kind of understand why they did it. We don't compliment people on being white, because it's our default look. We maybe say something if someone comes back tanned, because that usually means they were on vacation, at the beach or generally outdoors and active. And even then we usually say tanned or pale, not brown or white tho.
>he doesn't go up to his bros and compliment them on being exceptionally white
You know what I realized? I never see a hot blonde-haired white women with large breasts in any game anymore. Western games I mean. Maybe there are some in Japanese games I don't know.
But Western gaming has none of that. BG3 for example would've been perfect for a blonde-haired noble human female with large breasts as a love interest.
I talked to my ex the other day, who had the perfect straight bleach blonde hair that hung straight down to her huge fake breasts, the kind of hair that makes them super hot looking even from behind only to learn shes had her hair dyed brown since we broke up, blondes are too pretty that even blonde girls are willingly looking less pretty on purpose, never should have dated a leftists
Good thing is any girl with with that snowbunny hair wearing a blindfold in porn videos looks just like her, win for me and my dick
She complements her skin in both of these, what is the issue? Also why didn't you learn the Japanese yet?
Why are you here and not in 2ch, then.
>white and pretty = flawless
Am I supposed to get angry because?
You already were when you had it changed
is this considered censorship?
If you're moronic yeah
>why are english and americans like this*
FTFY
English people don't translate anything
GOD I MISS MY COLLEGE YEARS
FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT AT WASEDA UNIVERSITY
I ATE SO MUCH HAIRY, BUSHY JAPANESE PUSSY IT'S UNREAL BROS
JET-BLACK BUSHY PUBIC HAIR PUSSY
I SO MUCH WANT TO GO BACK IN TIME
TO EAT MORE EXTREMELY HAIRY JAPANESE PUSSY
BASED
>things that never happened
White is not beautiful, it’s maga garbage. Black and brown is the new beautiful and you’re literally Hitler if you think otherwise. Dilate.
That's not true. All skin colours can be beautiful
Most Albinos are fricking weird to look at
Black and brown is beautiful, provided they have white/asian facial features
Western gaming/media prefers white skin because it still historicly outsells. We aren't that different from the east.
The "brown obsession" is just another vocal minority.
This isn't even a bad example. Not even white people would say wow you look so white and pretty today. Why are you like this
White is LE BAD!
Guys, I do not understand. Everyone keeps saying that killing is different from sexualized minors. But, from my perspective, isn't that the same? Like it's not real, why would you even care about child in video game
Everything has racial connotations in America.
It wasn't this bad in the 90s and 2000s. I swear it's because of OWS.
Honestly, this line seems like it could just have been changed to what it was to sound more natural. But localizers do fear the word "white" as much as they fear character ages these days, so I can understand why you'd jump to the conclusion that it's censorship (and it very well could be).
I don't even think it's a "fear" thing. I never hear anyone say, "Wow, your skin is so white!" as a complement, even when it's just us white people talking amongst family or something. It carries the same connotation as "pale" these days, so I would interpret someone saying, "You're so white!" as them thinking I look like I'm gonna pass out.
"You have such clear skin!" or "You have such fair skin!" would sound like more natural complements, so I think the localization is actually good.
Yeah I agree. The English line sounds more natural which is why I think it might not be for censorship reasons. I have seen many examples that I couldn't defend though that were clearly some shithead going "Well this racist/sexist stuff won't fly here!" even if it's actually not.
Shout out to my white and pretty homies in this thread, you guys be fire fr fr
>wow you're so caucasian and pretty
wtf why did they censor this
Because calling someone pale at the beach is not a compliment in the states. Same reason why they don't directly translate saying someone has a small face. This is a really common edit to make in translation and has nothing to do with race.
There are so many shitty translations in the world but for some reason the only ones I ever see b***hed about are things like this where its actually a decent translation.
Like when everyone got assmad about translating キョドる as "sus" in that one anime when it eas literally a shortened, slang form of 挙動不審
Nobody rational still reads these localization threads, it's all just schizos, morons, and bait
Pretty much. I used to participate in them years ago and occasionally I'd have good discussions with people, but usually any rational explanation is either ignored or attacked. I remember one time seeing people say that kana only games are harder to read than games with kanji and I said that yeah, I remember having a phase like that too, but after you gain enough experience, kana only games—while not preferable—aren't hard anymore. Then I was told that I don't know Japanese and that kana only can never be easy.
They had some merit years ago when the complaints were along the lines of the fire emblem games getting rid of entire paragraphs but in their very recent incarnation it is just ridiculous and dumb as evidenced by this thread.
Very telling that this line has been in the game since FES, but it's NOW that anyone bats an eye at it.
>bait
And it gets me every time
Is this the best drama seeking homosexuals on Ganker can come up with?
P3 translation must be amazing
>P3 translation must be amazing
I don't know if you mean the original or the remake, but it's alright for both. A few terrible choices here and there but not completely unbearable, which is a good thing nowadays.
listen Black folk, girls tell each other all the time here that their skin is white as a compliment. it translates to nice skin in English, shut the frick up about it and stop making this thread
I like reading these threads becasue they're simultaneously the most deranged and disatatached ramblings I ever read, but also still feel forced and are the definistion of making mountains out of anthills.
Anyone who thinks western women want to be told they have pale skin when they put on a swimsuit does not speak to women. I don't think my ex put on a swimsuit a single time without audibly worrying about being too pale
why did they make japanese so hard?
They didn't you just speak a language so far removed from it you might as well be learning to speak fish
I am convinced kanji are intentional barriers to keep foreigners from learning their language.
Kanji ain't shit tbh. You just grind that out. The real language barrier is shit like their cracked out word order that doesn't even tell you the tense until the very end of a sentence or trying to figure out the metaphorical uses of 掛ける and 付ける or how often they use じゃない in positive sentences or fricking COUNTERS or having to learn enough social shit to understand when they say "yes" but actually mean "no".
Or sonkeigo
native people with an iq of 80 are speaking fluent japanese right now. it's not hard you just don't have the internal motivation required to do the time
i wish i could understand why they localize a character literally saying "senpai..." to "leader-san..."
do they think people understand honorifics enough to get adding -san to names, but they won't know what senpai means?
They keep honorifics but change the name order around. Like Yukari will call Ken, "Ken-kun" in the English dub when what she actually says is Amada-kun. That already doesn't make any sense, but it gets funnier since that isn't even consistent because then they don't change the name order around for cases like when Mitsuru is talking to you, she will call you by your last name.
Regarding the leader and senpai thing, they use senpai in the dub text often to refer to characters so that also just doesn't make sense.
Honestly the whole script must have been done by like 5 different people that weren't on the same page or something, I really don't know what happened.
All I know is if you read a story with the pedo tag on syosetu, you're likely in for some infant or toddler fricking in the story. At least up to about 6 years old or so. I guess the yellow hat is a big part of it.
After that is e-girlcon. Authors use the word pedo (or e-girlpedo/pedoe-girl) when they give warning about the kids being younger in the story too.
Here's a good example
https://novel18.syosetu.com/n3596ie/
The beginning of the synopsis
>*Contains cruel depictions, sexual depictions that go beyond e-girl and fall into the category of pedophilia. If you do not accept it, please back your browser.
That's the extent of my knowledge of how Japs use pedo and e-girlcon differently.
Actually no, I was reading a 2ch thread about a e-girlcon eroge from early 00s and they were arguing this difference between e-girlcon and pedophile in the thread come to think of it, I was kind of amazed. Or maybe they were arguing about whether e-girlcon applies to both 2D and 3D. Either way it was surprising to see them having the same arguments that you see on here as far back as 20 years ago.
Because White people are not allowed to feel proud of themselves otherwise you're literally Hitler.
because america is 99% black and brown
I am begging people who get mad at translation to learn some Japanese, because there are plenty of shitty translations and certain translators have a miserable additude about it but you keep picking shit like this that is a perfectly normal translation and making the whole effort look moronic.
Do some anki. Read Tae Kim. Start reading some manga/vns.
Imploring a bunch of click-bait rage-addicts to read and learn is a lost cause.
>learn japanese
>but don't point out how japanese differs from translations once you do
tard
Where the frick did I say anything like that? Do you still need to learn English, too?
I'm telling you to point out where there are problems but learn enough that you pick actual problems, because when you fly off your ass with your fricking three months of duolingo skills at innocuous shit like OP, you make the entire cause of holding translators accountable into a joke to anyone who has two braincells to bump together, and then when someone drops a FE Fates-tier translation, anyone who complains is going to look like another knee-jerk ignorant dipshit and they'll just get away with it.
oh, that's interesting. ywnbaw btw.
Who the frick are you to decide what’s innocuous or not?
>oh if only people on Ganker didn’t question why translators tried to hide the fact skin whitening creams exist and that fair skin is desirable I could hold those damn translators accountable for when they do something I specifically don’t like!
Lol kys moron
Someone who actually knows more than twenty words of Japanese. This translation doesn't have dick to do with race.
>Who the frick are you to decide what’s innocuous or not?
Pal, are you honestly telling me that the OP that switched one way of complementing skincare to another way of complementing skincare is THAT egregious?
Top would unironically have a different meaning/unintended idea in the west. Censorship is changing the original text to get rid of it's intended meaning. Something like getting rid of a joke aimed at trannies. When you change the original text because it would bring an idea the original didn't intend to, that's proper localization
"Flawless" is good enough imo but if you wanted it to be closer to pale and beautiful or something like that
>different meaning/unintended idea
No, the idea is exactly the same. That her pale, white skin is a desirable trait. The same is true in the West, which is why skin lightener is the most popular beauty product on the planet.
Please talk to a woman
>exactly the same
It's bait/moronation but I'll play along. The idea is not the same. The japanese word they use, "shiroi" is just describing a color and has no relation to race. They have different words to describe white people/foreigners. The english word "white" could mean the color or it could mean white people. Even if it's obvious which meaning they were trying to use, using white could bring to mind the unintended UNUSED idea of of white people. Pale is the only word that would basically be exactly the same. Even though they're saying her skin is beautiful because it's lighter, they're not saying it in relation to white people (which they DO sometimes, but when they do they use words specifically for white people/foreigners) but just normal asian beauty standards/pure skin complexion
You're mostly correct except they do use 白人
That's what I'm talking about in my post. That's literally a different word used for foreigners. Even though it's just the kanji for white and person smashed together it's literally a different word. They wouldn't use that to describe a character like truth from FMA who's LITERALLY white
Ah gotcha, I misunderstood you
外人白豚が嫌い
You will never be Japanese, nice try
Probably the dumbest piece of mental gymnastic JSL larp I’ve ever seen. You don’t understand Japanese and you definitely don’t know what the word white means.
You think I’m baiting and I don’t actually think you’re biggest moron in this thread? lmfao
Brown skin is seen as ugly in Japan, that's why they give ugly characters that look.
Do they say she has a small face too? I never got that compliment honestly maybe I need it localized
Can some JP chad explain the "and" part in the sentence?
I understand the kanji being shiro, but which part combines the kanji and pretty?
t. trying to learn
て
It's really that easy? Thanks anon
NTA but I think it's grammar taught in like the first (possibly second) genki book so for basic grammar like that just hit the books
Not just the て unfortunately, but 白い has to be conjugated into て form. For い adjectives you do this by removing the い and adding くて
That makes sense, I take it the latter adjective doesn't have to be in te form?
I'll order them right now anon, thanks! I've heard good things about them
I'm worried about memorizing vocabulary
Correct, the last adjective in the sequence takes on whatever form the sentence calls for, in this case just dictionary form.
somewhat related, for any beginner anons ITT looking to learn the te form for verbs (which is pretty much the same as informal past tense), sing along to this a few times:
Blessed anon
Thank you!
>the te form for verbs (which is pretty much the same as informal past tense)
Are you moronic? It’s the conjunctive form. It has no tense until the tense of the final verb is given.
I meant the conjugation, autist.
Why don’t use just say continuative form / ren’youkei like a normal person then, moron?
て form adjectives can be used to tie the adjective to following adjectives, 白い + きれい becomes 白くてきれい
Honestly what kind of google translate-ass degree do you have to get to not recognize that the original text is intending to say that her skin is unblemished?
...and white.
Do you really think the intention was "Wow, Mitsuru-senpai, you look so Caucasian!"
Yes
No you disingenuous cuck. She's saying her skin is fair, pale, and you know, WHITE.
And you think a better translation would be "you're so pale?"
No idea. I just know why they didn't even hint at pale/fair skin in the English rewrite.
>Your skin is so fair and pretty
Awkward as frick, no one talks like this and doesn't say anything about it being free of blemishes
Because calling someone pale on the beach in the US is more like saying they look 青白い
>No one talks like this
Fair-skinned is a compliment no matter how much they try to erase it lol
>Hark! M'lady Mitsuru, thy radiant skin be both fair and true
Eh at this point if I heard someone call someone else "fair-skinned" they better be in their 50s or older.
What are you gonna do? Cry on the internet that they're not following the propaganda?
>propaganda
Oh so your angle is some homosexualy culture war thing. It's an old phrase for old people. Go pay for your mortgage and buy some suspenders Bartholomew.
You don't think that's how they talk to each other in private?
You also need a minor in racism to get the full experience..
Nope, she’s saying her skin is white, as in pale, fair, not dark, etc.
Back to the anki mines for you
He means its the same as conjugating た form but you use て
>ummmm ackshually white doesn’t mean white because i said so
Damn, you’re pretty dumb, anon lmao
I said back to the grind. At least until you stop wanting 知り会う as "know and meet"
>moron doesn’t understand how compound verbs translate
Holy kek anon
Just take the N4?
You kinda stupid, huh? Read my post again.
Nah, I think I’m over my what-morons-on-/v/-say limit. Sorry, lil N6 bro
CRACK FANTASY VII
white skin is beautiful in Asian countries because it signifies wealth, farmers have tans while rich people can stay inside
it's not very deep
can someone post the thong bikini fuuka pic pls
if someone told me my skin is white the last thing i would think of is a compliment, the first thing that would come to mind is them calling me out for never leaving my house or something because that's what my grandma always meant when she called me white (she is right but i work from home now so frick you grandma), the second thing would be a serial killer trying to collect my skin as a trophy
whoa it's almost like Japan has a different culture and their views on skin color is different or something
moron
that's why the translation is correct though, you give the same meaning without making it sound creepy and werid
>translation
It's not a translation, there's no accuracy there. It's a localization because it's intent on removing any and all Japanese imprint there is, which is why it's dogshit.
>creepy and weird
Only in your conditioned homosexual brain do you think this way. With or without context it's completely innocuous, this was just politically motivated is all.
What lovely white skin you have Anonymous. Don't go and literally destroy your skin!
The reason this thread exists is why the line was changed. Keeping it or changing it would've flared up spergs on either side of the coin.
How about everyone fricking grows up?
Yeah good luck with that. There's too much mental illness and grifting on the internet for that to happen.
>hurr muh both sides
There is no 'coin', there are simply normal people who want accurate translations and schizo trannies who want to change things to make themselves feel important.
Normal people don't get ass blasted about shit like this. Hell, normal people never spare a thought to translations of any kind.
Normal people don’t know Japanese, idiot. It’s not exactly like there’s two versions of the game they can play.
Are you implying Japanese people aren't normal, anon?
They definitely aren’t, but that wasn’t what I was implying
Yeah and normal people just play the English version and don't think about it.
They don’t exactly have a choice kek
Yeah? And they don't give a shit. Instead they get ass blasted about what coach a football team has or that their neighbor sucks the dick of the wrong soda/truck/whatever coporation.
They can’t give a shit, anon. They literally can’t. They don’t speak Japanese. They aren’t gonna buy two copies of the game and compare translations, and they aren’t going to ever know the differences.
I’ll say it again: They don’t have a choice.
I'll explain it better for you. There are two types of schizo trannies.
>The schizo trannies that get pissed if it stayed "white and flawless"
>The schizo trannies that get pissed if it's changed from "White to flawless"
This thread and Ganker as a whole is the latter, while stuff like reddit/twitter/kotaku are the former. The normal people exist, but they're the least vocal on shit like this, they just play the game or not while getting on with their lives.
>change it
>piss off way more people
>countless threads and videos made about it
>keep the """""problematic""""" line
>like one or two assmad trannies post about it on xitter and their 3 other discord troony buttbuddies circlejerk about it
Pretty obvious to see the latter is a far better choice.
Because asian women are most beautiful with tanned skin!
I wanna roll with
The gangstas
But so far they all think I'm too white and pretty
Think I'm just too white and pretty
Think I'm just too white and pretty
I'm just too white and pretty
Look at me and white and pretty
We need to go back to classic Persona localization of the 90s, where characters got race swapped.
On top of everything else already said, ホントすっごい、白くてキレイ!is such a bland sentence. It's a perfect example of how generic and repetitive Japanese word choice is, especially in games.
A one-to-one translation would put you to sleep in English.
>normal people
oh "white" in this context means that mitsuru has pale skin which is considered a beauty standard in eastern japanese cultures
>Ganker "people"
it OBVIOUSLY is commentary on racial politics and race baiting I cant believe the translators would include something that I completely made up in my head and have convinced my delusional self that this is true
eastern asian cultures*
Localisation is a job that shouldn't exist. All it does is ruin whatever it touches. Everything should just be a straight translation.
This is straight translation. You don't know shit or dick. Please learn some Japanese.
>Please learn some Japanese.
Yes you should, because its completely different
Keep pretending I guess, some idiots will probably fall for it.
Keep grinding that Duolingo course, maybe one day you'll be able to ask where the bathroom is
>This is straight translation. You don't know shit or dick. Please learn some Japanese.
>This is [redacted] translation. You don't know pussy or ass. Please learn some Spanish.
Translated your sentence how you'd like it 🙂
>this is a straight translation
so white and flawless are the same word in japanese?
It’s actually a pretty gay translation, just like your post 🙂
>it's a straight translation
>said translation changes the script
not a straight translation by definition
Learn some Japanese, translate some stuff and come back
I don’t think you know what a straight translation is
>words are different
>this is a straight translation
uhhhh anon?
Here you go guys
>I used the wrong senses of the words, that makes it literal
lol N6 anon's getting a little feisty.
>i'll purposefully show you what you think you want in my mind and create a false dichotomy because i, in no way, totally am not just disrespecting your intelligence :*~~
not an argument
obligatory
>right
Every japanese writer should hire someone who speaks english to introduce some flavor into the original japanese script
Literally nothing wrong with the translation. It maintains Yukari's awe of Mitsuru's complexion.
Nothing was wrong with the original words.
this is a proper translation though because culturally, its about desirable beautiful skin. in the west, people literally get tans which they believe look good. surely now you see the conflict with saying "your skin is so white and beautiful". Having white skin is not the same as having beautiful skin in the west because western people get tans purposefully
There should be some kind of japanese test that you have to take before you post in these types of threads. Get on it mods
I passed the N5 actually
Seems impotent to b***h about this, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with creative projects you have no involvement with. You can choose not to consume it but that's really about it.
>seems really impotent to b***h about gamebreaking glitches, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with programming projects you have no involvment with. you can choose not to consume it but that's really about it
>seems impotent to b***h about a terrible sequel that ruins an otherwise good cliffhanger, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with creative projects you have no involvement with. you can shoose not to consume it but that's really about it
>seems impotent to b***h about car manufacturers suddenly locking you out of features behind a paywall without any warning, there's nothing you can really do about what happens with the manufacturing process you have no involvement with. you can choose not to consume it but that's really about it
>just consoom, goy
>scrutiny is just whining, goy
ピンクピッグは白ないと思う
You want a true, word for word literal translation of OPs image? It would be this:
>Truly terrible, white clean/pretty! Suntan stopper, yet smeared?
You don't know what a literal translation is lol
Nope, すごい is also synonymous with 非常にすばらしい, which is the case here. And while 日焼け could refer to a suntan, it's quite literally a sunburn.
2/10 you don't know Japanese
すごい literally uses 凄, I thought you wanted literal, anon?
And sick means the stuff you throw up or someone is ill.
It's not literal if you use the wrong sense of the word, lil bro
Kanji etymology won't save your dumbass argument this time lmao
because calling one's skin white doesn't mean the same in japanese
Neither does it in English, at least it shouldn't.
it's a compliment because it's asian media and they value fair skin. Darker skin is considered less attractive because it's the skin tone of physical laborers that work in the sun
>You want accuracy? You must want a licherul troonylation then, which means broken English!
Oh boy, this fallacious homosexualry again.
The OP translation is what you are asking for but you have been baited by OP into thinkkng otherwise because he tied it to a hot button issue. Any amount of translation from a langauge as distant fom English requires a level of interpretation or you will get gibberish.
You have this idea that this is some glaring error and not the way you have to do all translation from Japanese to avoid a word salad because you know the word 白い and are interpreting it alone
You don't know Japanese if you think 白い isn't referring to the tone of her skin. You wanna know why she's asking if she already put sunscreen on? Because she thinks her skin looks very white, not very clear.
>it's what you are asking for
It's not, it's got some very obvious political stink to it.
>projection
Dumbass.
>muh Japanese is some magic language that we need to divine the stars to understand
Dumb homosexual plebbit meme that's patently false but is parroted nonstop by autists.
The original Japanese is some basic descriptor that can totally be 1:1'd in English and makes perfect sense, the troonylators just found it "problematic" to compliment someone for having white skin is all. It's such an innocuous, harmless thing otherwise that it makes zero sense to change it.
>y-you wouldn't le know
You can stop samegayging too
you'll pass your JLPT exam next year if you keep studying those youtube videos.
nta but I don't think you know Japanese lol
samegay harder
>oh no someone else disagrees with me, that must mean it's the same person
sasuga moron
>no counterpoint, again
I accept your concession.
wokealizers don't even know Japanese, they admit it
you never had a point, your concession has been accepted.
>y-you never had a point, n-no u
One of the many plays out of the troonylation apologist playbook. Unfortunately denying objective reality doesn't do much though, ducking out of the argument like a pussy to shitpost only makes you look more b***hmade.
>words words words
if you put that amount of effort into studying japanese instead of screeching about a correct translation maybe you'd know japanese.
good thing the OP is translated accurately. You wouldn't know you japanese youtube learning homosexual
Every time this thread is posted I get a laugh out of OP image because all three of these fricking characters have the same skin tone.
bottom is flawless. 'white and pretty' is so basic, totally flawless sounds more realistic.
I'm glad you think fanfiction sounds more realistic.
Is flawless vs white and pretty is the new soul vs soulless?
Isn't "white and pretty " in this instance about her skin lacking imperfections like pimples or blemishes, if so "your skin is totally flawless" is a reasonable( and less clunky) way to translate it
Nope, she's complimenting her skin tone in Japanese, not the clearness of her skin.
Pretty/clear skin
Nope. Fair, pale, white skin. Unless you're implying black people can't have clear skin? lmao
They just wanna be white. I don't blame them.
白くてキレイ
white and pretty/clear
Have you ever used a dictionary before, anon? That's the wrong sense of the word. It only means clear or pure when referring to the cleanliness of something. It means beautiful and fair when referring to someone's beauty.
It does imply clear skin though
It can, but in this case, she's merely commenting that her skin is beautiful for being of fair complexion.
>Unless you're implying black people can't have clear skin?
as a nigress enjoyer, it really peeves me that these intellectually dishonest dickslimes itt act as if 白い is some indecipherable eldritch glyph that the american localizing savior needs to change for us to get a clue on how we're supposed to interpret it, and it looks especially dumb when you factor in societal differences. the original scrpt knows what it's saying, and only some normie jones who knows dick all about japanese culture and language would be fooled
Based. As someone who knows Japanese, I'm also amazed at how people are pulling all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify the change.
I think they just can't accept that the change was put in place so that beautiful and white won't be in the same sentence.
That's the tactic that localization troons love though, acting like Japan has absolutely nothing synonymous in its wordage with English to justify fanfiction dogshit.
The troonylation apologists always conveniently ignore these kinds of images in the OPs since it's obvious that people who know Japanese made these comparison images to point out how bad the English script is, all so they can keep spamming their fallacies to try and shut down any discussion of this topic.
Lol I wouldn't put pass japs to do that such a strange group of people
What is strange?
Finding out there's an agenda against the word "fair" is like finding out there's an agenda against the word "master"
I fricking HATE leftists
>now remember that trannies forced almost the programming world to rename shit for no reason when no one even cared about it
The issue is that the woke left or whatever comes up with these absurd statements, but it's very hard to actually find good arguments against them.
>You should rename the "master" branch to the "main" branch
"Renaming it will break stuff" is a pretty weak argument, and not really backed up by anything except for extreme outlier scenarios.
>"Blacklist" and "whitelist" and problematic language, you should rename them to "denylist" and "allowlist".
Despite the former being well established terms, arguably, the latter terms are better, since they more clearly define what the things are. If you hear "allowlist" for the first time you can figure out what it means.
Basically, outside of the notion that these sorts of changes are clearly absurd, pointless, and don't actually fix anything, I personally haven't heard any concrete, empirical points against these sorts of changes. On the flip side, "these are very easy changes to make and don't hurt anyone" is largely a true statement, and for basically anyone sane it's easier to just cave in and make them, rather than obstinately standing up against them, since you'll immediately fall under suspicion once someone asks "why exactly are you so against doing this?"
I'd consider myself pretty liberal, and I think these sorts of things are moronic, I hate it whenever it happens, and I want everyone involved to just frick off forever. It's the same shit how every open source project apparently needs a code of conduct or whatever now.
the problem is that the actual argument against it is "stop trying to sanitize language to satisfy your own white guilt/inferiority complex, you stupid fricking b***h". Like, that's it, that's the real argument, and it is impossible to debate it because they do not hold the same fundamental values as us and do not care about those principles at all. And they're the ones who are currently ascendant socially and politically, so just making that argument and telling them to frick off doesn't end well, so instead you have to try and hold the line with a bunch of weak, fake arguments in the face of their inane complaining.
>I'd consider myself pretty liberal, and I think these sorts of things are moronic,
So basically you're a Nazi
The agenda against the word forsooth has been rough as well.
>no one in my Black person community says fair sin because we're all shit brown, therefore no one actually uses this word
"Fair" would've been fine. It's not what they went for possibly because it sounds kind of old fashioned but yes it would've been a much better translation than "white".
fair is so fricking archaic you won't even catch grandma saying that
maybe if she were one of those joke characters that end every sentence in degozaru
girls still say fair because they have to use different kinds of makeup based on what their skin tone is, and under that system makeups are labelled as being for "fair skin" because it wouldn't sell as well if they labelled it "for ghostly pale skin like a banshee or other mythical night terror" or "extra caucasian for whitey only"
they have to change it because they don't wanna offend their blm gods lmao
>Hey, my mechanic friend told me that getting your tire changed shouldn't cost $10,000, you're getting scammed.
>HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT'S A SCAM THOUGH YOU AREN'T A MECHANIC
Literally what troonylation apologists do 24/7/365. Nothing but incessant, fallacious shitposting.
tell your mechanic friend to translate games then
There is no second meaning to '白'. It's inaccurate because there is nuance or a second meaning in the Japanese. It's inaccurate because of the meaning it has in English, which is that Caucasians are superior to other races. That's why it was changed. Anything else is pure cope. Feel free to think it was a good change or not, but don't lie to yourself. It was done to appease the sensibilities of westerners who cannot help themselves but view everything through a racial lens.
It was changed because there's an agenda.
Most likely it wasn't an 'agenda'. It was simply automatic.
By which I mean nobody had the conscious thought "this sounds racist and it would be better if it was changed". They don't even see it as censorship. They see it as translation because no American would ever voice such an idea as "your white skin is beautiful". They cannot conceive of such things as other cultures, or that their work should be respected and preserved.
I WILL learn Japanese!
Godspeed, anon. I finally bit the bullet some years ago and it was the best decision I ever made.
It's fun to learn a new language, do not understand why people are so against it.
i'm in the same boat, anon. hope translations eventually catch up with other non-japanese media, but until then, there really isn't much of a choice if you want a faithful script. it doesn't have to be this way nor should it
Japanese culture is classist. They historically have believed that people who stay inside all day instead of working outside are superior, and thus fetishize their features.
You know who else has fair skin in Japan? Hikkis. Let that sink in.
>They historically have believed that people who stay inside all day instead of working outside are superior, and thus fetishize their features
Woah, really? Gee, I wonder if any other cultures throughout history have also done that.
Not implying they haven't. Only in modern times have societies begun to value the labor of blue collar workers.
That's only for races that can tan when out in the sun all day, and you know nothing of the caste system. Picrel is a brahmin.
Beauty standards in general are always based on who is the highest class/has the most clout. Because the kardashians have big fake lips and asses everybody else in the west started copying them.
Okay poo
Racist cope
White skin is preferred everywhere. Poos have an entire caste system around it, ironically.
Isn't south India more clean, developed and darker than north India?
moron, Europeans did that shit too with royals, that's why they even called them "blue blood" since you could see their veins. Having pale skin untouched by the sun was seen as high class, the peasant laborers beneath you were tarnished by the sun's rays..
>thread still up
>over 350 replies
>nearly all arguing over the accuracy of a single word, used in a single line, from a translation that has thousands of lines
I guess localizers have a pretty hard job after all.
>muh heckin' epic single word/line/etc. handwave
I only changed one line in your socials that your employers have access to and made it say "I hate Black folk", no biggy though bro it's just one line 😉
It's just the looocalizers and troonyslators having a little melty in the thread. They'll get over it.
it's hard for them because they're doing mental gymnastics and denying that it's about skin color without knowing asian culture as context
>Um sweaty, the only context that matters is western (californian), therefore it was super duper necessary to change it from that icky icky gross gross Japanese trash.
Can't even call it sarcasm at this point since that is unironically how these homosexuals think.
Constantly making up reasons to change harmless words that offend your deranged sensibilities must be hard.
Professional translator here
White doesn't mean shes literally white, like a white person white, it means that her skin is pale which is seen as a positive thing to have in Japan. But in western cultures calling someone "pale" is generally an insult so just taking the entire phrase of 白くてキレイ and just using the word "flawless" is not a bad decision at all
The industry is full of idiots that suck shit at Japanese, for sure, but use examples of actual shitty work instead of this nonsense. There's A LOT to choose from, you don't need to grasp at straws like this
Actually, I'm a native Japanese speaker and you are wrong.
>e-ermmm the Japanese word for literally describing something as the color white doesn't actually mean le white
Seriously, where are you redditrannoids coming from? Like I'm genuinely curious.
New IP so obviously you were called in to assist in disingenuous shitposting on discord or something.
isn't it pretty explicit in its setting, though? the target demographic of persona games in the west already have an expectation of culture shock when playing these games, it almost sounds like they're just dumbing it down for american audiences
>Professional troonylator here
There's no confusion with "white and pretty." It means white and pretty. Flawless removes he part about it being a pretty white. There is no reason to change it.
The confusion could stem from westerner's interpretation of what "white" means. It would be weird if yukari praised mitsuru for her race, especially given that they're the same race.
They should have used "beautifully pale" to ensure the the skin color praise is gotten across while also getting rid of the negative connotation of "pale".
>your skin is so white = you're white (race)
So either you have no grasp of English or you're a disingenuous frick. Either way, typical troonylator.
I pointed out a potential point of confusion. If you're too low iq to comprehend this nuance then begone from my sight.
No English speaker would confuse it that way.
Oh, are you're a professional liar? Thanks for letting us know.
moron.
>The industry is full of idiots that suck shit at Japanese, for sure
Yeah, and you're clearly one of them.
So how much do they pay you to DeepL things and lie?
This example may seem minor, and in most cases it would be, but the well has been poisoned so horrendously that to an extent I don't blame people speaking out. What about using "pure as snow" as a description?
Not him but I already had a better replacement here
It addresses the skin color, negative connotation of "pale", and does not have the potential racial connotation either.
The same deranged commies would complain about the implication that pale can be beautiful, racialize it. So you have the same problem on top of it sounding unnatural.
It's on them at that point.
I did read that, but just tacking on the adjective doesn't really beat the pale allegations and makes it sound more like an underhanded, passive aggressive statement, or at the very least someone very socially awkward.
Adding snow as a word would be an understandable point of contention, but one that is just as if not more acceptable when applying the same rhetoric as this thread while including more of the original term's connotations. The rest of your post sounds more like inventing an enemy in your head to get mad at, and the opposite at least has actual precedent considering other lines in games talking positively about white skin have been outright flipped into insults. Accuracy via context is important, and I despise how awful jobs have caused people who know nothing to shit on the few examples that are actually well done, but the root cause are the ones abusing their position.
I bet if this was the exact line in the OP pic, people would still be b***hing that they added the word "snow" when "yuki" isn't present in the original and still be complaining that "white" isn't present when "shiroi" is. This thread is only halfway people arguing about accuracy anyway. There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
>There are definitely posters in here that just want the word white included because they just want something that could be interpreted as glorifying the "white race".
Hit the nail on the head lol
Nah, I'm pretty sure they just want the lines translated accurately. You know this is true because you'd never see the reverse here where people would want a line changed from the original meaning to something that glorifies the white race.
Sasuga discord raiders
How was it translated in the original game?
it has to do with skin color. Because it's an asian beauty thing. There's a reason why kpop and jpop people look like powdered ghouls
that is a perfectly fine translation
in english speaking countries white is just normal or it used to be anyways, calling someone's skin white as a compliment would therefore sound moronic
your methods won't work here, troony
>translation
It's not a translation, it's a localization, big difference as there was no intent on artistic integrity here.
>in English speaking countries
Who cares about this context, it's Japanese media, the cultural imperialism applied is fricking cringe troony shit. have a nice day loser.
flawless is about as close as you can get to the original meaning
No it isn't you moron. She's not saying it's flawless, which is vague, she's saying it's a pretty white.
flawless is not vague, it means perfect, without blemish, as in exactly the same thing white skin signifies in asian culture
It doesn't "signify" anything you moronic EOP, they just find white skin pretty and that's what she's complimenting. Nothing about blemishes or perfection.
english isn't even my first language
and like sure, whatever. you think calling someone's skin white and pretty is an acceptable sounding compliment and not something a stalker would say,
by all means go out and let the women of the world know how you feel. hell, do it to western raised asian girls, I'm sure they'll extra appreciate it.
No one cares what you find acceptable, it's literally what she said in words and meaning. If you somehow take offense to that then you're a fricking waste of oxygen.
It's another woman saying it to her though, you fricking moronic third worlder.
Christ, discussion on this site would be 10x better if IPs outside of the USA were range banned except on /misc/ and Ganker. Fricking useless shit that contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion.
first I'm some sheltered anglo, now I'm a pajeet in a mudhut; make up your minds will you
if another woman said that it would come off as facetious or 'culturally challenged', something you can only get away with if you're fresh off the boat
>if [some convenient scenario about muh cultural differences]
Disregarded, cultural imperialism is cringe homosexual shit with no place in media.
Australians call each other "c**t" as friendly banter and that doesn't get "localized" out when the dialogue makes its way to other western countries, it's just their culture. But for some reason only Japan's different culture "needs to be changed", funny how that works eh? Totally not politically motivated or anything.
They wouldn't say 白くてキレイ to a pale basement dwelling neckbeard covered in pimples
discord raider
:skull:
Nope, she's complimenting the literal color of her skin, not just how clear it is.
It quite literally isn't, as explained by other people in the thread. Try again moron.
>kids
Not playing Persona.
>that don't know or care about Japanese culture.
Which isn't people that are explicitly going out of their way to consume Japanese media like Persona, dumbass. If they just wanted an RPG with pretentious trite themes they could go touch anything western instead.
Stupid ass take again. Why bother taking the risk of trying to include another demographic if you already have a sizeable base of people that will buy your stuff? I guess you homosexuals will say anything to keep licking that boot though.
>ask why someone would do something
>get explanation from a peer
>accuse peer of being the person you don't understand because you don't like their answer
This is how you die alone, Anon. I don't have to be Atlus or Sega to know they wanna make money and think they will do so by catering to casuals.
normalgays all completely despise anime shit though and sweeping trannified script changes do nothing to stop that, hasn't for decades, so it's pointless still
dipshit
Fake news. Persona games have sold well since og 5 on ps3/ps4.
Well for anime games, yeah. Doesn't come close to western movieslop though.
Try again.
>normalgays all completely despise anime shit though
Hey, the 90s called. They were asking where Blockbuster went and wanted us to buy them some video tapes on our trip overseas so they can watch the hot new Japanimations. I told em to just check out the stuff on Netflix like everybody else.
>hurrr gymbros watched Dragon Ball that's totally the same lololol
Not even remotely good faith, these posts.
it was the black kids that watched exclusively shonen a large part of the football team watched shit like Love Live. I think it might have started ironically, but the time I got to know most of them playing in the band they were just actually watching whatever came out every season. I got them into Mushishi and shit and just wound up being absorbed into the collective. I'm not saying it was everyone and there was plenty of guys that didn't care, but getting harassed because you like anime has been dead for over a decade where I grew up unless you bring up some incredibly weird shit unironically.
>my totally real anecdote invalidates everything anyone else says
Totally not a disingenuous post right here
Yes because the initial opinion that all normies hate anime was totally legitimate and factual without any basis in someone's personal anecdote. I think you doth protest too much, Anon.
Dude I volunteer with basic-b***h white American middle school kids, and they all watch at least some anime. Imagine being a middle school kid today, and finding out One Piece exists by doing a casual google of "good anime shows". You now have a show with over 1000 episodes you can binge. They love that shit.
>muh one piece
Wow so basically reskinned Dragon Ball, cool anecdote.
>opinion
Fact*
FOTM shounenshit is stomachable for normalhomosexuals, anything outside of that is written off entirely.
>normies hate anime!
>n-n-no! Dragon Ball and One Piece don't count because... because they just don't okay!?
lol cope and seethe
Besides, Death Note is still incredibly popular and so plenty of other non-shonen junk. But we all know you're just gonna keep walking those goalposts back. Face it, anime is casual now. You aren't special or weird for liking it, and people still hate you.
DB, OP or Death Note are ultra sterile shit with absolutely bare minimum Japanese aspects to them, basically only the names of some characters, which makes it so they aren't hated by normalhomosexuals. It's not rocket science.
You can cry all you want about me pointing that out but it's true and you know it, otherwise shit like To Love Ru or something would be equally as popular, no? So why isn't it, hmm? Care to explain little gay?
You won't though, all you apologist Black personhomosexuals just can't stop posting fallacious homosexualry nonstop just to beat people over the head into submission.
have a nice day.
>normalgays all completely despise anime shit though
Brother that's a long time gone. Even the jocks at my Highschool watched anime and that was ten years ago.
>Who cares about this context
People trying to sell the game to kids that don't know or care about Japanese culture.
you're so off base with the actual target demographic of these games, i'd be inclined to believe you're doing it on purpose
Look, they know weebs are gonna buy it regardless. They want to sell it to non-weebs too.
it's almost like the characters are japanese and this game is set in japan
maybe we should change the ramen shop to the donut shop too
白 - white
くて- joins adjectives
キレイ - beautiful/pretty
"White (and) beautiful."
Quite literally a perfect 1:1, no changes needed, yet troonylators and their whiteknights will insist that the language is some fricking indecipherable alienspeak that just need to be "felt out" or revealed through a crystal ball or some shit to justify them changing it due to political reasons.
Based Japanese knower, though it should be noted that grammatically, this should be parsed as 白く + て, because 白い is conjugated to its continuative form (連用形) with the inflectional conjunctive suffix て added to it.
WHITE, WHITE, BABY!
To the gays arguing about e-girlcon ITT, I have to wonder why the hell you guys aren't just reading the jp wikipedia page on it. Shit is fascinating.
There's an entire section talking about how it was acceptable because people normally married at teen years etc. shit that reads like the usual reasoning you'd see from a e-girlcon here.
It's also plain to see that they treat e-girlcon as separate from pedophilia or at least the term pedophilia isn't as super loaded as it is in english there since there's also a section that talks about psychiatric definitions for sexual attraction to that age range and it's where I learned they have a separate word for pedophilia in 小児性愛, which redirects to a wikipedia page called ペドフィリア that is separate from ロリタ・コンプレックス
Do you honestly think people wouldn't complain incessantly if they kept that line as-is? That it wouldn't bring bad publicity when people who don't even play the game bring up that specific line over and over, not even because they care, but for idpol brownie points?
I've had time to think about it and I don't think I would have been taken out of it at all if she said "your skin is so white and pretty"
I live in the Philippines now and they literally use the word for white as a compliment here, I've heard people say as much to my wife because she's half chinese and not fully flip. Also "whitening" is the most common term used in cosmetic products and the word for clear/fair in "kinis" is usually conflated with white in common parlance.
I honestly just think it's an asian thing.
some of you are really heated about all this, aintcha
>the group of "people" (subhumans in reality) notorious for erasing heterosexuality from scripts totally wouldn't remove anything complimenting white skin
How naive can you homosexuals be?
All this bullshit about how super indecipherable 白い is supposed to be is really reminding me of how 13S troonylators once translated この方は都合がいいんだ into some sort of non binary joke and homosexuals tried justifying it because the character was a coder or some shit
What does it mean?
sorry I meant この方が都合がいいんだ
It just means "this way is/was convenient"
the context is that the character was a homosexual that crossdressed while he was in 1940s japan because he's effeminate and wouldn't have been able to blend in.
I think people have comparison pics of the line, it used to be a hot topic
How did they translate it
I don't have the pics at hand nor do I remember it exact;y, but the pic I did post is a japanese persons translation of it.
"Some binaries are okay for me and some aren''t, so to speak"
Alright Ganker how would you translate the following lines
>顔が小っちゃくて可愛いね
>頭が真っ白になった
>死んで星になる
>ご機嫌はいかがかしら
>君の力になりたい
(Someone's) face is small and cute.
My head went blank.
Die and become a star.
?
I want to be as strong as you.
I guess it'd be better to say "My mind went blank."
This is why you have to learn Japanese yourself, and maybe even start translating yourself
I'm just tired of hack writers getting mad they're dogshit and taking it out by working on translations or remakes of good IPs and ruining them out of spite. Just leave the fricking industry. You didn't make it. That sucks for you, but leave the actual good shit alone.
Ever since I've started learning japanese for their media and french and german for their literature, I've started to fear that I've begun to think literally any translation is fanfiction to begin with. All of the continental philosophy authors I read back in the day feel so different in their native languages.
At this rate I'll even convince myself to learn Russian
Because wokelizers find making their own stories too hard so they latch onto any existing IPs to signal boost their ideals. They're not translators, they're activists. Even with AI being around the same few wokelizers would remain because of nepobabies.
>NOOOO YOU MUST ENDORSE THE TRANNLYSLATIONS FOR... EXACTLY FOR, AFFIRMATIVE?!?
while I am normally on the side of total localizer death even I cannot fault them for this because the actual intent of the line(yukari compliments mitsuru's skin) is unchanged and you know full well that if they had directly translated it as "white" there would have been millions of morons complaining about it being racist, somehow. This is the same reason I give them a pass for replacing the troony with a crazy woman: it was unreasonable for me to expect them to keep it, so I accept them changing it to something neutral instead of replacing it with some woke horseshit as the best they could do. They could have replaced the line with yukari complimenting mitsuru's confidence or some other garbage on the grounds that having girls care about their appearance is sexist, and instead they kept it as close as they could without drawing a bunch of unnecessary heat. I am willing to forgive this and ultimately declare that this translation is far better than I expected it to be, and that if I want better quality then the impetus is on me to just learn Japanese.
extremist moment
Black person if you expect localizers to do any better than this you haven't been paying attention. this is what passes for good among their kind.
>watching anons realize they got bullied for being freaks and not because they liked anime
Because white means pale in this context, not caucasian? Japanese people traditionally consider pale skin as a sing of wealth, because it means that you weren't out in the fields working.
The like "you skin is so pale and pretty" would sound super weird in English because in the west people like tanned skin. Calling someone pale is almost an insult, like telling them they look ill.
It's not very hard to figure out.
>troons just spamming the same bullshit that was already btfo here
Go back to your shitcord
fair skin is still attractive in the west even if its not socially acceptable to say so
Good point. I didn't think of the word "fair". That actually makes more sense.
Still a fricking weird thing for a teenager to say, but she did say it the original, I guess. Not like the rest of the dialogue isn't weird anime bullshit too.
A teenager is more likely to say "white," meaning fair.
Would they though? I don't think whiter skin is usually a desirable trait if you're already caucasian.
Nobody would complement a white person for being whiter that other white people, or at least I can't imagine it.
I do agree that obviously white people are generally considered more attractive than other races, but that's not the point.
historically whiter skin was desirable on white women, with most old-timey makeup essentially being white powder. This is because there are only two attractive skin tones on white people: tanned and #FFFFFF, and being tanned was historically associated with being poor and having to be outside all the time so pure white was preferred. That's not the case anymore but having pure white skin on a girl is still desirable if they can't hold a tan, because the alternatives are red, freckly, or blotchy.
There's literally a word for nice white skin, which we're talking about. But a teenager is likelier to say "white and pretty" instead of "fair" to mean the same thing.
It's neither attractive nor unattractive on its own. Most white Americans dunk on people for being super pale. I'm not that old, and all my friends growing up used to laugh about being "blinded" by looking at our pale blonde friend and I vividly remember kids complaining about how pale they were. Lots of white women still go out getting tans intentionally these days, even if that's less of a thing now that people are more aware of it causing cancer and making your skin age prematurely. This exists in the same society that has literary figures like Snow White and generally ranks Anglo features as "sexiest" or "most beautiful" since most people (and especially wealthy people that are healthy and famous) are white. Whiteness on its own, for most Americans, is just kind of a nothingburger.
Like if you complemented a white girl on how white her skin was, she would probably think you were a weirdo. A black girl would probably appreciate it if you were also black (since black people tend to talk a lot about how light/dark someone is), but probably think you're a skinhead nazi creeper with jungle fever if you said that and you were white.
"white and pretty" doesn't sound weird at all. no reason to change it to pale, because only the most brainrotted subhuman would interpret that as "caucasian and pretty."
no, they would interpret yukari as borderline moronic
why?
>made up scenario
Medss
You didn't offer a single counterpoint moron.
He's right, just because westoids hear "white" and immediately think of caucasians doesn't mean that her describing the color of one girl's skin has anything to do with race.
The only ESLs here are you 'tards for thinking the posters in this thread are assuming the same. There's some very obvious nuance missed here in this discussion only if you're a third worlder, which you all are.
>"white and pretty" doesn't sound weird at all.
>only the most brainrotted subhuman would interpret that as "caucasian and pretty."
Just say you are ESL.
they should have used "fair" because that's the word actually used in english to refer to pale skin in a positive way.
definitely using "white and pretty" as an insult the next time an anon posts something unintelligible or awkwardly worded.
"White and pretty" is more accurate than "flawless" and more natural in this context than "fair and pretty."
Can someone provide 1 (one) scene in a western TV show or game where a character praises another's skin for being white?
Bear in mind we can find hundreds of examples of this in Japanese games alone.
You will literally not find it at all since whiteness is demonized in the west.
Twilight
The thought process is if white is pretty, danger hairs will interpret it as black isn't pretty. It's literally just trying to prevent moronic racist white women from screeching about racism.
if you watch anime you might notice that when there's a scene where someone is eating a common comment is that "the flavor is mild." when you think about it that doesn't really make sense in an american context. it might even be considered an insult like saying it's not seasoned. most people are smart enough though to understand the context of the statement and intuit that it is a compliment and that nips must like bland food.
in the same way anyone with room temperature iq should be able to understand that yukari is making a compliment and that japs must like pale skin. the only reason this line was changed and the other example is not is because of political motivations.