probably someone from 14 because it has shonenHispanic powerscaling going on
Of those 3, power goes ultimecia>kefka>sephiroth.
Sephiroth genuinely isn't that powerful; even with Jenova, the lifestream, and the black materia he still wasn't especially powerful. Kefka ended the world 5 minutes after he accidently tripped into power and Ultimecia was powerful enough to destroy time itself with just a little boost.
>shonenHispanic powerscaling
XIV's biggest threat so far was basically just Jenova on a universal scale, functioning entirely off of an unrecognized in-universe weak force, not really comparable to actual universal threats like XI's Cloud of Darkness or literal creator-gods like Bhunivelze
i'd rather people actually bring up an FF game than go comparing them to other stuff. Besides, one wants to go power mongering, there's shit like FF11's Cloud of Darkness, which is a cosmic scale threat between the void of worlds in space that erases entire planets as an afterthought, and it takes ruined timelines, immense scales of frickery, impossible amounts of coincidences and preparation to get a manifestation of a physical form to kick the shit out of it so it fricks off.
It was a nice typo because CoP is literally all about how the darkness of Promathia encourages humanity.
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How long has Diabolos had that specific design? Earlier than FF8?
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Just since FF8, that was his first appearance.
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Anonymous
Huh. I always thought he was a returning character, maybe an esper or something. Didn't think he was an FF8 original.
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He's appeared a decent amount of times since then and they did port him back into the GBA version of FFVI as an esper.
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>and they did port him back into the GBA version of FFVI as an esper
Shit, that's probably why I was confused.
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FFVIII had a few unique GF designs that ended up sticking around. Brothers and Pandemonium have shown up in spin-offs like Dissidia, and most Ifrit designs since then have iterated on the more bestial version introduced in VIII. Quetzalcoatl is pretty popular too, but unfortunately Ramuh has "debuted in FFIII" privileges. That game did a good job with its summon designs.
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Brothers showed up as a sort of miniboss in Eureka Pagos, in 14. It's a shame, cause they could have been a good returning boss. At least Quetz came back as itself, design and all.
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>Quetzalcoatl >Ixion >XIII Odin
Why did they hate Ramuh for a while there?
Brothers showed up as a sort of miniboss in Eureka Pagos, in 14. It's a shame, cause they could have been a good returning boss. At least Quetz came back as itself, design and all.
They can always just make a proper Brothers fight one day. They don't care about reusing names.
There is also the possibility that they're literal creator gods, depending on how much trust you put in the secret bestiary texts you unlock in that game. References are made to the creation of the world and humanity by them and everything, there's a full creation myth.
Nobody has posted that in this thread. Someone has posted "ended the world" which is not the same as "destroyed the world" and is, in fact, true. A new world emerged from the one that was ended.
Even children were capable of keeping up with this. You don't possess less literacy than a child, do you?
Jack. Ultimecia is a close second, but she jobbed at the height of her power while every loss just makes Jack stronger as he exploits his own time shenanigans. sephiroth and kefka dont even rate, but Sephiroth seems to be immortal as long as he hassomething to hate and is pulling a Jack atm so we will have to wait and see how that goes
Of the mainline? It's easier to do protags because of 1 getting a bunch of sequels (It's XI's Protag, then Lightning during LR, then Noctis during end fight, then XIV's Protag).
Of the villains? Probably anyone that is uniquely created and tied with The Void. So ones like Cloud of Darkness (III & XI) & Necron. Boring answer, but yeah. FF Powerscaling is like that.
>XIV protag lower than XI
You can literally compare their HP and damage numbers to see WoL mogs Adventurer. And if we get into feats Adventurer isn't even a real warrior of light he just temporarily gets the power during the RoV arc to pretend to be one where he's canonically the strongest and still jobs to his evil self. And that homie needs a whole team of npcs to even keep him going.
>temporarily gets the power during the RoV
They never took that away if you read the text, he's still fused with his future self thanks to Altana & Promathia.
And as with all Japanese made stories, friendship is power.
He literally loses the key item after the fight against not promivian and has to suck carbys wiener to get another each time he jobs because it's lightsday during the cloud of darkness fight
That key item was to get additional power from the avatars. XI Protag doesn't have the Avatar's power anymore but is still a God-tier (capital G) threat to opponents.
Ultima is a spirit lifeform that engineered 'humans' to be compatible with their corpses/crystallization.
The strongest they can be considered with a physical form is equivalent to the fully powered Ifrit (strongest ingame would be the broken vessel before the final boss fights which all take place in Clives head), basically Sin-tier (comparing giga graviton to potentially using zettaflare) or lower without the corruption aura
>According to director Motomu Toriyama, Caius is the strongest (in terms of abilities) antagonist of the Final Fantasy series. The eternal battle between Caius and Lightning in Valhalla mirrors the conflict between warriors of light and chaotic forces seeking to reduce the world to oblivion present throughout the Final Fantasy series: the names Caius and Lightning also recall Chaos and Light.
Good point that Toriyama made his OCs super strong in lore. The thing is though with Caius is while he can never die, I don't think he's stronger than the Void itself.
I just played XIII and this image isn't correct at all. She trains Hope because she sees herself in him and she can't admit to herself that she fricked her own life up so she just gives in and does the same thing to him. And she stops and realizes she fricked up because she sees what she's doing to him. That's what causes her to finally stop being a c**t.
Hope and Lightning is the like the only good character dynamic in the whole game, and the game is like 4 dozen character dynamics that all fail miserably
I really didn't like Hope at all in XIII, but their relationship paid off for me in Lightning Returns. When Hope says goodbye before the final day, and when she pulls out the knife to save him from Bhunivelze, those were really good moments.
>nothing in any thread I was in before playing XIII myself could have prepared me for the plot point that, upon being branded a traitor and essentially realizing she has her days numbered, the first instinct Lightning has is to decide that she wants to kill the millions of people who live in Cocoon by killing Eden and sending it crashing down.
Holy frick what a psychopath, Marshe has fricking nothing on her.
It makes sense from a conceptual point of view, but Caius really doesn't have any impressive on-screen feats of power. He's a good swordsman with some dark magic and teleportation who can transform into a dragon. Pretty pedestrian by JRPG standards. I know he's SUPPOSED to be this super powerful, immortal being, but all that happens off screen. The whole XIII trilogy suffers from "tell don't show" syndrome.
Cloud of Darkness (FFXI) maybe? Main character literally killed one of the main gods (and an alternate universe version that killed everyone and became stronger by eating the alternate universe MC) and couldn't kill the CoD. After he beat a fragment of it, he had to become two gods and they had to beat the shit out of each other so the force of them beating the shit out of each other could stave off the CoD, and it wasn't even permanent. It'll probably come back.
I don't even know if FFXI CoD can be considered a villain, it's more like the incarnation of deleting a stagnant world that's around without a great enough conflict or something. The MC killing one of the main 2 gods kinda fricked with the natural order, and without a huge force of good fighting a huge force of evil, the "universe" or whatever doesn't like that.
CoD is definitely the villain of XI Rhapsodies. All the bad events that are happening are because of it. But yes, it is more of a force than a physical opposition. That's the point, you can't kill a concept. You can only stave it off.
Not really a villain more of a force of nature?
plus MMO don't count since they constantly have to escalate shit with every expansion. Just look at Zenos, from the Prince of the empire to a summon, to a god that you fight at the end of everything.
>plus MMO don't count since they constantly have to escalate shit with every expansion
FFXI doesn't do that. You fight a creator god in the second expansion and then everything else after that is way lower on the power scale until Cloud of Darkness.
Kefka he's loki . The joker of the series. With personality that's clearly different from the rest of them . Other than him it's just boring bland and mundane
Even then, in lore of Satan he's just a fallen angel. One who governs the underworld. He's not even reached the power of a concept of nothingness like The Void.
not this fricking shit again, only fujos think this way, you aren't a fricking fujo are you? yeah he's a genocidal prick who wants to kill everyone bring back his society that was so shitty and incompetent that created a world-destroying force that wiped them out because they were so stupid but he's definitely not a villain he's just misunderstood and lonely
Yes, only took 13 people to create Hydaelyn. Powerscaling among the Ancients is really confusing, it seems like outside of the Convocation, Athena, and Venat's little band of suicidal maniacs nobody really did much of anything.
Emet is basically equivalent to Xande or Golbez, he's just an incredibly proficient magic user within the setting, which while high powered doesn't really let him compare with the likes of Kefka (worldwide magic manipulation, effectively equivalent to XIV's Zodiark) or Kuja (planet-buster tier when on his period).
It's really hard to judge how strong Sephiroth is. He's way stronger than any normal dude with combat training and some Materia, but he gets done in by a couple of lucky shots from some nobody. The bits of Jenova that he puppets around don't give the party any trouble, and when he does wake up and reach his full power, it all happens in the Gameplay Dimension so it's tough to gauge what he's really capable of. His only feats are a few mass murders or regular people. We've got a better understanding of how strong Kefka is in context.
>Kefka becomes the god of all magic and is killed by other people enhanced by the powers of crystalized gods >Sephiroth fuses with an alien and sucks up knowledge in the Lifestream before being killed by a professional mercenary and a bunch of random people, including a robot
Pretty much every FF party is a bunch of regular dudes who happen to be carrying whatever the setting's flavor of magical rocks are. The few exceptions like 4, 9, and 15 are the ones that stand out. Granted, FFVII's party is a bunch of fricking losers even by FF standards, but most of them do have something that sets them apart from the normies.
They're not superheroes, but Kain and Steiner's abilities come from their own natural talents, not from picking up a couple of shiny rocks. They're exceptional people in the context of the setting, not coal miners who decided to buy some Materia at the grocery store, shove it into a gun, and save the planet.
I'll always hold to the idea that Chaos is somehow the most powerful because he was the first antagonist in the franchise and I love the idea of "villain from far in the deep past of a franchise's origin that nobody cares about nowdays still remains important because reasons"
But if not that, then the Cloud of Darkness, because it is the most pure manifestation of the most powerful force in the franchise's setting. A case could be made for Necron being equally as powerful for the same reason, and maybe Neo Exdeath, but Neo Exdeath is more like an improper manifestation of it.
Jack beat 3 Omegas fused together, so just going off Dissidia stuff, he's probably the strongest since Omega=Shinryu and Shinryu took like the whole cast to beat.
Top Twelve in no particular order >Bhunivelze >Endsinger >Kefka >Ultimecia >Cloud of Darkness >Chaos >Shinryu >Sephiroth >Emperor Mateus >Ultima >Athena >Shantotto
>Endsinger
Extremely questionable, half the things below that list have the power to end universes outright, the best she can do is speed up entropy and dynamis-bomb aether-based lifeforms, which is ridiculously hyper-specialized as a power.
Cloud of Darkness, Shinryu and Ultimecia along would each give that dumb bird a run for its money, not to mention what would happen if you made the world's most emotionally unstable clown fight a creature that resides in a domain powered BY emotion.
>dynamis-bomb aether-based lifeforms, which is ridiculously hyper-specialized as a power.
You mean literally everything in the FF Multiverse? Because Magic and Aether are the same thing.
The XIV setting is its own unique beast that doesn't follow the same rules as the rest of the franchise at all, there's no reason to believe that Aether exists in other settings, and even if it does, remember that Dynamis gets completely nullified by strong concentrations of active aether, which is the entire point of Zodiark existing, and if you're saying aether = magic and if we even assume that you're right then not a single final boss in this franchise is vulnerable to it because they're all overwhelming magical beings except maybe FFT's Ultima
>FFT's Ultima
According to XIV, even that Ultima would be resistant.. given the implication that some kind of eldritch entity is shitting out Black Auracite across the Multiverse
XIV's Ultima, yes, but XIV's Ultima is some scary as frick creature that breaks the lore completely in the best of ways, had Hydaelyn running so scared she decided to throw a WoL at it just to keep it in prison, and operates on rules that don't follow at all what we know about the workings of the world.
Tactics/XII Ultima is much more tame by comparison since it has a set place in the cosmology and Ivalice is generally speaking a low-power setting in the first place where even the gods are more interested in political scheming than flexing magical muscle. God I love that they brought Ultima back this lore development is genuinely so fricking cool
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Best part is that the Ultima from the raid is only a fragment and not the actual entity. It's essentially something like what Athena became. A being corrupted by Black Auracite
She's in a similar situation to Kefka, Kefka drains the power of the Warring Triad and becomes the wellspring from which all magic in the world flows from. Ultimecia is the only living sorceress of her time, meaning that she has all the True Magic in the world under her control because the way magic powers function in VIII, they're only ever inherited, not created nor destroyed.
She's by definition the most powerful sorceress to ever exist in FFVIII's world due to how magic gets passed down. The game is also incredibly vague about how Time Compression works and what she's capable of doing with it, so there's a bit of wank going on there. The only time we ever see her use time magic in battle is in the Dissidia series, so it's debatably canon whether she even CAN decide to just stop time like Dio Brando.
She compresses all of spacetime into herself. And we know she did succeed in doing so because that's how the party even gets to her time period, they move through the compression. She becomes the universe.
He's up there, Alexander is strongly implied to be a primal on the same power level as Zodiark/Hydaelyn, but the whole "could Alexander beat Endwalker's final boss" is at best a maybe.
I don't know, the thing moves a single leg and already visibly drains the ambient aether of Dravania to dangerous levels, at that kind of scale we're talking about something that drinks continents dry just going on a walk, and that's about the kind of power drain I'd expect to match an unsundered Zodiark. Maybe not win, but not that wide a gap as if it were, say, Unsundered Zodiark x Shinryu
The unsundered world, aetherically speaking, is about what, twice, three times, four times as dense as the Source? So I suppose the question is whether Alexander's full body moving and fighting at full force against something would drain multiple times more power compared to Alexander just propping itself up from the bottom of a lake. I think it's possible, spells are expensive in this economy.
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>The unsundered world, aetherically speaking, is about what, twice, three times, four times as dense as the Source?
Post sundering it's thirteen times as dense. By the time Alexander is summoned, it's seven times into six times
>Alexander is strongly implied to be a primal on the same power level as Zodiark/Hydaelyn
At that point in the story yes. But presundering? Hell no.
I brought it up because of the time manipulation powers it has. Couldn't he technically time travel to before Zodiark was created and kill everyone? Or freeze them in time?
>Couldn't he technically time travel to before Zodiark was created and kill everyone?
Yes, you even go to that point in time in the story using a copy of Alexander's powers, not even the real thing.
Zodiark and Hydaelyn are glorified containers and nothing more. They exist to keep certain universe rules alive.
Zodiark is a glorified shield generator - Hydaelyn has the power to give people headaches and mindreading. It's not like either of them is super powerful in combat or capable of bending the universe rules yet again.
True, XIV is a very low power level setting, all things considered, there isn't even a true Void in it and the Cloud of Darkness of the setting is essentially a glorified demon with no metaphysical role to its existence at all, and nothing in any way divine appears like XI anywhere in it.
Kefka becomes a literal god and reshapes the world. Ultimecia controls all the magic - And Sephi while powerful is just a very powerful guy at the end of the day who summons a meteor because he himself is incapable of finishing the job.
Sephi is easily the most famous and iconic but on a powerlevel scale he is definitely on the lower end as far as FF villains go. All he has is superior strength, speed and intellect. Nothing that is truly god-like. Compared to Ultimecia who technically isn't a god but still has access to abilities like time manipulation, apocalyptic spells and creation magic.
Accurate, Sephiroth's biggest trump card was in being a psychological threat to Cloud personally and he legitimately is one of the weakest antagonists because the entire story takes place during his attempt AT gaining some degree of supernatural power that upends the balance of the world, which most other villains already have by the time their stories starts.
>the entire story takes place during his attempt AT gaining some degree of supernatural power that upends the balance of the world, which most other villains already have by the time their stories starts.
Bro are you moronic? That applies to all three of them.
Not really, most of the others are just trying to enact a "win more" scenario.
Ultimecia has already collected all the magic in the world in her own person by the time VIII starts, and is just trying to pull off ultra time magic nonsense even though she's already the most powerful creature in the entire world on her own time.
Kefka, by the time you fight him, has already succeeded at his plan, he drained the Warring Triad and became the most powerful magical creature in the world.
The final battle against Sephiroth is legitimately fought at the equivalent point in time where Kefka and Gestahl are at the floating continent, maybe a little bit beyond that since at least Sephiroth has the power to manipulate Jenova cells [which is where the whole Bizarro/Safer Sephiroth comes into play]. Genuinely if the weapons weren't brainless morons fricking off to attack humanity and had actually focused on the Sephiroth/Jenova infection from the beginning they'd have won easily.
Exdeath is probably the strongest FF Villain overall.
He has all the bullshit that Kefka has plus doesn't only reshape the world to his image - he can fuse multiple different worlds together all while being the literal manifestation of evil and being nearly unkillable.
That or Cloud of Darkness who is just an inevitable and inescapable force of nature that technically cannot be defeated at all - only sealed/kept at bay.
Exdeath doesn't meld the worlds under his own power. The worlds are naturally one world and they were only being held apart by the crystals, so the destruction of the crystals mashes them back together. Exdeath is really just an extremely powerful demon who unlocks overpowered magic that lets him cast black holes everywhere.
Yeah but the magic he unlocks and gains for himself is so powerful it literally makes reality fall apart.
This is about the villains at their peak - not what their starting position is.
I don't because it contradicts things from the original FF1, also I hate crossover bullshit (unless it's just a "what if") like the FF2 Emperor showing up and supposedly Bahamut being the save Bahamut as the FFXV one.
Literally everyone has a mental image of Ultimecia in their mind. Whenever Ultimecia is mentioned, discussed, what image is most used on Ganker? You literally picked the most contrarian, not immediately recognized, IN-GAME image of FINAL FORM Ultimecia. Bro, I'm noticing a lot of these images are kind of like this one. Why did you pick an image of in-game Safer Sephiroth when you could have have just used a more conventional one? Learn to tier list, it's easier to read.
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>Literally everyone has a mental image of Ultimecia in their mind.
I always picture her final form in power level discussions because that's when she's at the height of her power, in the midst of the time kompression. >You literally picked the most contrarian, not immediately recognized, IN-GAME image of FINAL FORM Ultimecia.
I said I didn't pick the image, I used a premade villain template on tiermaker. I don't like most of the pictures either.
Chaos: Gained near Inmortality through time travel/loop shenanigans.
Emperor: Conquered the world. After you kick his ass he conqueres the afterlife as well.
Cloud of Darkness: Force of Nature - kills entire worlds simply by existing,
Zemus: Can mind control people - also a strong magic user - That's basically it.
Exdeath: Not only capable of destroying one world but multiple ones. Wizard so powerful they could only seal him - not defeat him.
Kefka: Becomes god and instantly fricks the entire world with one finger. Can transform into a higher being and manipulate reality within that world.
Sephiroth: Can cast a doomsday meteor - but only if he has the right materia for it - ignoring that he is just a very powerful soldier.
Ultimecia: Can manipulate time itself - Capable of erasing all of existence.
Kuja: Destroyer of worlds - Did it once - wanted and could have done it again.
Yu Yevon: Glorified scam artist - could have done something but too slow to act - can frick up a few countries i guess.
Vayne: He is smart! And evil!
Galenth: He is super tanky and can cast powerful spells!
XIV Villains: Okay, ignoring all the crossover stuff we got a bunch of garleans and their Ultima machine, a pissed off dragon, a sword autists looking for a good fight, a powerful sorcerer who saw his own world getting destroyed so now he is failing to bring it back - can only do so very slowly and fricks up multiple steps as well. Endsinger is kind of a big threat but not on a universe bending level.
Rinoa can control Time AND Space. She literally plucked Squall from the end of time and space and brought him back to the location where he made his oath. Possibly even after he died as well. She's OP as frick.
>Endsinger is kind of a big threat but not on a universe bending level.
Kind of a big threat? She is trying to accelerate the heat death of the universe and kill everything in existence and lock all souls inside an '' egg '' that won't allow anything to be reborn ever again. I'd say she is an insane level of threat and is only beaten by a ridiculous amounts of deus ex machina and time travel.
Sin would be low tier if not for the fricking ultra powerful gravity cannon it has that it only ever uses when causing a bad ending and which is never relevant to the actual story, that kind of thing definitely puts him in high mid
Jecht can still exert control.
Jecht does not want to kill everyone.
Jecht wants to be stopped.
It couldn't be more clear.
Sin gets regularly defeated by a normal aeon every 10 years or so. The Sin that returns each time isn't even the same Sin, it's just Yevon in a new shell made out of the previous aeon who beat him.
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Looks like you need to play it again, unfortunately.
Sin was defeated only 4 times in the span of a thousand years, and that's ignoring the whole Final Aeon thing is a sham to better control the populace.
Also when someone puts an actual fight against it for once, the entire time he's kept essentially narcoleptic by the Hymm of the Fayth playing to him, isn't it?
>Sin was defeated only 4 times in the span of a thousand years
There are a ton of high summoners, you see their statues in the temples. >and that's ignoring the whole Final Aeon thing is a sham to better control the populace.
No, it's not a sham and it's not there for control. It's there because it's the only method anyone knows of for beating Sin even temporarily. Yunalesca isn't turning people into Final Aeons for the sake of Bevelle's social structure, she's doing it because she thinks it's the only thing that works at all.
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There's only 4 of them. It's the same statues in every temple.
Play the game.
But that's Yu Yevon, not Jecht.
No, it's Jecht. He liked the hymn and knowing that he's in control forms the basis of the initial attack against Sin. He even references it right before you fight him.
Sin gets regularly defeated by a normal aeon every 10 years or so. The Sin that returns each time isn't even the same Sin, it's just Yevon in a new shell made out of the previous aeon who beat him.
I just played FFXIII and you're full of shit
Looks like you need to play it again, unfortunately.
Do you really expect someone to have played every single FF game? I'm in this thread and only played 4,6,7,8,10,12,13,15 and 16. I played dissidia so im familiar with all the villains to some degree.
I've played every mainline game, a lot of side games but I'm missing some mobileshit like Before Crisis, Dimensions I and II, and Ever Crisis. And the Wii Crystal Chronicles spin-offs.
It's probably something from an MMO or unnecessary sequel like Lightning Returns, something with powercreep, but if we count only singleplayer, standalone numbered titles then it is probably one of the generic ancient evils like Cloud of Darkness or Exdeath or Necron. Then Kefka or Sin. Sephiroth is probably in the lower half of the list.
The thing that made him immortal was touching the crystal while he was corrupted and it rejecting him, but a small part of him remained inside it and he just kept regenerating from it.
Thats retcon and doesnt count. I mean why dont they just make FF17 have the antagonist have goals that are against what the protagonist wants but isnt really evil or world ending.
In terms of the feats shown across every world he's appeared in, it's blatantly Sephiroth. Just wait until there's an Ultimate Raid vs him in Final Finastride 14 to cement it as accepted fact by the troons.
probably someone from 14 because it has shonenHispanic powerscaling going on
Of those 3, power goes ultimecia>kefka>sephiroth.
Sephiroth genuinely isn't that powerful; even with Jenova, the lifestream, and the black materia he still wasn't especially powerful. Kefka ended the world 5 minutes after he accidently tripped into power and Ultimecia was powerful enough to destroy time itself with just a little boost.
>shonenHispanic powerscaling
XIV's biggest threat so far was basically just Jenova on a universal scale, functioning entirely off of an unrecognized in-universe weak force, not really comparable to actual universal threats like XI's Cloud of Darkness or literal creator-gods like Bhunivelze
Here they come to ruin another thread...
i'd rather people actually bring up an FF game than go comparing them to other stuff. Besides, one wants to go power mongering, there's shit like FF11's Cloud of Darkness, which is a cosmic scale threat between the void of worlds in space that erases entire planets as an afterthought, and it takes ruined timelines, immense scales of frickery, impossible amounts of coincidences and preparation to get a manifestation of a physical form to kick the shit out of it so it fricks off.
Thing with XI CoD is it was built up since the 2nd expansion as the encouraging darkness. It's the payoff.
>encouraging
encouraging? encroaching
It was a nice typo because CoP is literally all about how the darkness of Promathia encourages humanity.
How long has Diabolos had that specific design? Earlier than FF8?
Just since FF8, that was his first appearance.
Huh. I always thought he was a returning character, maybe an esper or something. Didn't think he was an FF8 original.
He's appeared a decent amount of times since then and they did port him back into the GBA version of FFVI as an esper.
>and they did port him back into the GBA version of FFVI as an esper
Shit, that's probably why I was confused.
FFVIII had a few unique GF designs that ended up sticking around. Brothers and Pandemonium have shown up in spin-offs like Dissidia, and most Ifrit designs since then have iterated on the more bestial version introduced in VIII. Quetzalcoatl is pretty popular too, but unfortunately Ramuh has "debuted in FFIII" privileges. That game did a good job with its summon designs.
Brothers showed up as a sort of miniboss in Eureka Pagos, in 14. It's a shame, cause they could have been a good returning boss. At least Quetz came back as itself, design and all.
>Quetzalcoatl
>Ixion
>XIII Odin
Why did they hate Ramuh for a while there?
They can always just make a proper Brothers fight one day. They don't care about reusing names.
Bad taste, pure and simple
endsinger is probably top 5 but i think ultimecia and bhunivelze are stronger
Which final fantasy antagonists could kill chaos?
Mateus, Zeromus, ExDeath, Ultimecia, Necron
Does Necron even count as an antagonist? He's just a guy that shows up because of the actions of the actual antagonist.
You're right, he doesn't count.
Don't all of the antagonists kill Shinryu, something stronger than Chaos, in Dissidia?
Neo Exdeath, Ultimecia, and Bhunivelze are the strongest I can think of, but I never played past LR:13
Old Gods in XII/Ivalice, basically took on all the Espers lead by Ultima and sealed them
There is also the possibility that they're literal creator gods, depending on how much trust you put in the secret bestiary texts you unlock in that game. References are made to the creation of the world and humanity by them and everything, there's a full creation myth.
Cloud of Darkness is some kind of force of nature isn't it?
Not exactly an antagonist. Xande was the antagonist of 3, CoD was a force of nature that coalesced into being because of his actions.
why is she in female form if she's a force of nature
>force of nature forged from the dark, evil version of the world
>is a woman
what did square mean by this?
Dark wasn't evil the world just had to be balanced.
Final Fantasy XIV protag mogs them all
>needs a full raid party of "protagonists" to beat anything
Ok anon
>Kefka destroyed the world
VI was released 30+ years ago and people still post this piece of misinformation
Nobody has posted that in this thread. Someone has posted "ended the world" which is not the same as "destroyed the world" and is, in fact, true. A new world emerged from the one that was ended.
Even children were capable of keeping up with this. You don't possess less literacy than a child, do you?
>and is, in fact, true
And yet there is still plenty of human settlements, curious.
Garland's the strongest I respect his strength.
Jack. Ultimecia is a close second, but she jobbed at the height of her power while every loss just makes Jack stronger as he exploits his own time shenanigans. sephiroth and kefka dont even rate, but Sephiroth seems to be immortal as long as he hassomething to hate and is pulling a Jack atm so we will have to wait and see how that goes
Of the mainline? It's easier to do protags because of 1 getting a bunch of sequels (It's XI's Protag, then Lightning during LR, then Noctis during end fight, then XIV's Protag).
Of the villains? Probably anyone that is uniquely created and tied with The Void. So ones like Cloud of Darkness (III & XI) & Necron. Boring answer, but yeah. FF Powerscaling is like that.
>XIV protag lower than XI
You can literally compare their HP and damage numbers to see WoL mogs Adventurer. And if we get into feats Adventurer isn't even a real warrior of light he just temporarily gets the power during the RoV arc to pretend to be one where he's canonically the strongest and still jobs to his evil self. And that homie needs a whole team of npcs to even keep him going.
>temporarily gets the power during the RoV
They never took that away if you read the text, he's still fused with his future self thanks to Altana & Promathia.
And as with all Japanese made stories, friendship is power.
He literally loses the key item after the fight against not promivian and has to suck carbys wiener to get another each time he jobs because it's lightsday during the cloud of darkness fight
That key item was to get additional power from the avatars. XI Protag doesn't have the Avatar's power anymore but is still a God-tier (capital G) threat to opponents.
MMOs doesnt count. Only 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,13,15 and 16 count.
Then just take the answer that isn't and be satisfied. Why do you need a consensus when the official canon is that XI & XIV are mainline.
Only single player games matter not online slop.
If it's a mainline entry, it counts. Who the frick are you to make up arbitrary rules?
Either way, the answer's still either Ultimicia or ExDeath.
Ok but where does FF16 Ultima rank in all this. Also FF13 Orphan I remember frick all about but that was also some kind of godlike being wasn't it?
Orphan was on a lesser tier than Bhunivelze in lore. And god of death Lightning beat him.
Fair enough I didn't play any of the XIII sequels.
Orphan was just a really strong Fal'Cie that wanted to be killed, nothing that special. Caius and Bhunivelze are far stronger than him.
Ultima is a spirit lifeform that engineered 'humans' to be compatible with their corpses/crystallization.
The strongest they can be considered with a physical form is equivalent to the fully powered Ifrit (strongest ingame would be the broken vessel before the final boss fights which all take place in Clives head), basically Sin-tier (comparing giga graviton to potentially using zettaflare) or lower without the corruption aura
>According to director Motomu Toriyama, Caius is the strongest (in terms of abilities) antagonist of the Final Fantasy series. The eternal battle between Caius and Lightning in Valhalla mirrors the conflict between warriors of light and chaotic forces seeking to reduce the world to oblivion present throughout the Final Fantasy series: the names Caius and Lightning also recall Chaos and Light.
Good point that Toriyama made his OCs super strong in lore. The thing is though with Caius is while he can never die, I don't think he's stronger than the Void itself.
I don't care, and SE doesn't care.
>listening to that hack Toriyama
>ever
Of course he would fricking say that, it's his game.
I just played XIII and this image isn't correct at all. She trains Hope because she sees herself in him and she can't admit to herself that she fricked her own life up so she just gives in and does the same thing to him. And she stops and realizes she fricked up because she sees what she's doing to him. That's what causes her to finally stop being a c**t.
I just played FFXIII and you're full of shit
Sorry your brain is too cooked to be able to understand nuance, anon. Maybe go read a book or something, it'll do you good.
Hope and Lightning is the like the only good character dynamic in the whole game, and the game is like 4 dozen character dynamics that all fail miserably
I really didn't like Hope at all in XIII, but their relationship paid off for me in Lightning Returns. When Hope says goodbye before the final day, and when she pulls out the knife to save him from Bhunivelze, those were really good moments.
>nothing in any thread I was in before playing XIII myself could have prepared me for the plot point that, upon being branded a traitor and essentially realizing she has her days numbered, the first instinct Lightning has is to decide that she wants to kill the millions of people who live in Cocoon by killing Eden and sending it crashing down.
Holy frick what a psychopath, Marshe has fricking nothing on her.
It makes sense from a conceptual point of view, but Caius really doesn't have any impressive on-screen feats of power. He's a good swordsman with some dark magic and teleportation who can transform into a dragon. Pretty pedestrian by JRPG standards. I know he's SUPPOSED to be this super powerful, immortal being, but all that happens off screen. The whole XIII trilogy suffers from "tell don't show" syndrome.
His casting of Meteor is opening a rift in spacetime to call in the falling Cocoon, which is pretty impressive.
We can all agree that XIV has the hardest boss fights in the entire series
I think Sephiroth might actually be one of the weakest. Maybe not the remake version though he has weird multiverse powers now.
Of the mainline? Yu Yevon I feel is weaker.
Cloud of Darkness (FFXI) maybe? Main character literally killed one of the main gods (and an alternate universe version that killed everyone and became stronger by eating the alternate universe MC) and couldn't kill the CoD. After he beat a fragment of it, he had to become two gods and they had to beat the shit out of each other so the force of them beating the shit out of each other could stave off the CoD, and it wasn't even permanent. It'll probably come back.
That's the thing with CoD (and this is true in III as well) is that it is the void, it's a representation of The Void and can never be truly beaten.
I don't even know if FFXI CoD can be considered a villain, it's more like the incarnation of deleting a stagnant world that's around without a great enough conflict or something. The MC killing one of the main 2 gods kinda fricked with the natural order, and without a huge force of good fighting a huge force of evil, the "universe" or whatever doesn't like that.
CoD is definitely the villain of XI Rhapsodies. All the bad events that are happening are because of it. But yes, it is more of a force than a physical opposition. That's the point, you can't kill a concept. You can only stave it off.
Not really a villain more of a force of nature?
plus MMO don't count since they constantly have to escalate shit with every expansion. Just look at Zenos, from the Prince of the empire to a summon, to a god that you fight at the end of everything.
>plus MMO don't count since they constantly have to escalate shit with every expansion
FFXI doesn't do that. You fight a creator god in the second expansion and then everything else after that is way lower on the power scale until Cloud of Darkness.
Garland.
Kefka he's loki . The joker of the series. With personality that's clearly different from the rest of them . Other than him it's just boring bland and mundane
If we count novels Satan is a FF antagonist.
Even then, in lore of Satan he's just a fallen angel. One who governs the underworld. He's not even reached the power of a concept of nothingness like The Void.
mogged hard by Mateus who is canonically a turbo jobber
I feel like emet-selch is up there. Creating a city from your brain magic alone seems to require a frick load of power
This 100% except he isn't a villian
OP is asking for an antagonist. Antagonist =/= villain
not this fricking shit again, only fujos think this way, you aren't a fricking fujo are you? yeah he's a genocidal prick who wants to kill everyone bring back his society that was so shitty and incompetent that created a world-destroying force that wiped them out because they were so stupid but he's definitely not a villain he's just misunderstood and lonely
It was just one guy that created the world-destroying force I don't think it's fair to blame society.
>It was just one guy that created the world-destroying force
Wasn't it only a handful of people opposed Zodiark?
I was thinking Endsinger but I guess I completely forgot about Zodiark since he was such a non-factor in Endwalker.
Yes, only took 13 people to create Hydaelyn. Powerscaling among the Ancients is really confusing, it seems like outside of the Convocation, Athena, and Venat's little band of suicidal maniacs nobody really did much of anything.
Emet is up there with guys like Xande, Ultimecia, Hades (XI), and Orphan.
Antagonist? Yes. Villain? also yes because tempering
Emet is basically equivalent to Xande or Golbez, he's just an incredibly proficient magic user within the setting, which while high powered doesn't really let him compare with the likes of Kefka (worldwide magic manipulation, effectively equivalent to XIV's Zodiark) or Kuja (planet-buster tier when on his period).
Reminder that Emet-Selch did literally nothing wrong
>le clown man is stronger than Sephiroth
Well yeah Sephiroths entire plan is just to summon a meteor to suck the lifejuice out of the planet.
I mean, Kefka becomes a literal god. Sephiroth just stayed in the centre of the Northern Crater like a cuck for all of VII
It's really hard to judge how strong Sephiroth is. He's way stronger than any normal dude with combat training and some Materia, but he gets done in by a couple of lucky shots from some nobody. The bits of Jenova that he puppets around don't give the party any trouble, and when he does wake up and reach his full power, it all happens in the Gameplay Dimension so it's tough to gauge what he's really capable of. His only feats are a few mass murders or regular people. We've got a better understanding of how strong Kefka is in context.
>Kefka becomes the god of all magic and is killed by other people enhanced by the powers of crystalized gods
>Sephiroth fuses with an alien and sucks up knowledge in the Lifestream before being killed by a professional mercenary and a bunch of random people, including a robot
Pretty much every FF party is a bunch of regular dudes who happen to be carrying whatever the setting's flavor of magical rocks are. The few exceptions like 4, 9, and 15 are the ones that stand out. Granted, FFVII's party is a bunch of fricking losers even by FF standards, but most of them do have something that sets them apart from the normies.
The parties in 4 and 9 are nothing special as well.
They're not superheroes, but Kain and Steiner's abilities come from their own natural talents, not from picking up a couple of shiny rocks. They're exceptional people in the context of the setting, not coal miners who decided to buy some Materia at the grocery store, shove it into a gun, and save the planet.
Limit breaks don't come from materia.
Where does Barret get access to an orbital laser system???
Steiner is literally a normal dude.
>*loses to lv1 Cloud with Pre-Emptive Materia*
Nice villain you got there
I'll always hold to the idea that Chaos is somehow the most powerful because he was the first antagonist in the franchise and I love the idea of "villain from far in the deep past of a franchise's origin that nobody cares about nowdays still remains important because reasons"
But if not that, then the Cloud of Darkness, because it is the most pure manifestation of the most powerful force in the franchise's setting. A case could be made for Necron being equally as powerful for the same reason, and maybe Neo Exdeath, but Neo Exdeath is more like an improper manifestation of it.
>Cloud of Darkness
It's never sat right with me that the physical manifestation of the void or whatever has a personality
Reminder that it's very possible for there to be a Cloud of Light. As that's what the Warriors of Darkness fought in III.
why is it a giant ass
Read the moonrunes
because the game is ass
Emperor dabbed on by Garland
Wow that emperor model looks like shit.
Rinoa or Ultimecia for being both the heroine and the antagonist. also she controls time and space.
gunknife heroineantagonist whatever
>debunked theory
Jack beat 3 Omegas fused together, so just going off Dissidia stuff, he's probably the strongest since Omega=Shinryu and Shinryu took like the whole cast to beat.
>knocks them ALL down
no other villain has claimed such a feat
Top Twelve in no particular order
>Bhunivelze
>Endsinger
>Kefka
>Ultimecia
>Cloud of Darkness
>Chaos
>Shinryu
>Sephiroth
>Emperor Mateus
>Ultima
>Athena
>Shantotto
>Shantotto
>antagonist
ngmi
>Forgetting Domina and Belle
>Endsinger
Extremely questionable, half the things below that list have the power to end universes outright, the best she can do is speed up entropy and dynamis-bomb aether-based lifeforms, which is ridiculously hyper-specialized as a power.
Cloud of Darkness, Shinryu and Ultimecia along would each give that dumb bird a run for its money, not to mention what would happen if you made the world's most emotionally unstable clown fight a creature that resides in a domain powered BY emotion.
>dynamis-bomb aether-based lifeforms, which is ridiculously hyper-specialized as a power.
You mean literally everything in the FF Multiverse? Because Magic and Aether are the same thing.
The XIV setting is its own unique beast that doesn't follow the same rules as the rest of the franchise at all, there's no reason to believe that Aether exists in other settings, and even if it does, remember that Dynamis gets completely nullified by strong concentrations of active aether, which is the entire point of Zodiark existing, and if you're saying aether = magic and if we even assume that you're right then not a single final boss in this franchise is vulnerable to it because they're all overwhelming magical beings except maybe FFT's Ultima
>FFT's Ultima
According to XIV, even that Ultima would be resistant.. given the implication that some kind of eldritch entity is shitting out Black Auracite across the Multiverse
XIV's Ultima, yes, but XIV's Ultima is some scary as frick creature that breaks the lore completely in the best of ways, had Hydaelyn running so scared she decided to throw a WoL at it just to keep it in prison, and operates on rules that don't follow at all what we know about the workings of the world.
Tactics/XII Ultima is much more tame by comparison since it has a set place in the cosmology and Ivalice is generally speaking a low-power setting in the first place where even the gods are more interested in political scheming than flexing magical muscle.
God I love that they brought Ultima back this lore development is genuinely so fricking cool
Best part is that the Ultima from the raid is only a fragment and not the actual entity. It's essentially something like what Athena became. A being corrupted by Black Auracite
Is Ultimecia really that powerful? I'm noticing several people playing up her power.
She is like a time anomaly from star trek. Monster of the week tier.
She's in a similar situation to Kefka, Kefka drains the power of the Warring Triad and becomes the wellspring from which all magic in the world flows from. Ultimecia is the only living sorceress of her time, meaning that she has all the True Magic in the world under her control because the way magic powers function in VIII, they're only ever inherited, not created nor destroyed.
She's by definition the most powerful sorceress to ever exist in FFVIII's world due to how magic gets passed down. The game is also incredibly vague about how Time Compression works and what she's capable of doing with it, so there's a bit of wank going on there. The only time we ever see her use time magic in battle is in the Dissidia series, so it's debatably canon whether she even CAN decide to just stop time like Dio Brando.
She became a literal god of time and space at the end of FFVIII.
She compresses all of spacetime into herself. And we know she did succeed in doing so because that's how the party even gets to her time period, they move through the compression. She becomes the universe.
Zeromus is the strongest because his boss battle the most unforgiving.
>made me use my elixirs and megalixirs I hoarded all game
That, I can't deny
I've yet to play Endwalker but isn't Alexander the most broken being in XIV?
He's up there, Alexander is strongly implied to be a primal on the same power level as Zodiark/Hydaelyn, but the whole "could Alexander beat Endwalker's final boss" is at best a maybe.
>Alexander is strongly implied to be a primal on the same power level as Zodiark/Hydaelyn
At that point in the story yes. But presundering? Hell no.
I don't know, the thing moves a single leg and already visibly drains the ambient aether of Dravania to dangerous levels, at that kind of scale we're talking about something that drinks continents dry just going on a walk, and that's about the kind of power drain I'd expect to match an unsundered Zodiark. Maybe not win, but not that wide a gap as if it were, say, Unsundered Zodiark x Shinryu
Are you forgetting how the Aether in Etheirys is significantly weaker post-sundering? Yes it's still bountiful, but nowhere near as potent.
The unsundered world, aetherically speaking, is about what, twice, three times, four times as dense as the Source? So I suppose the question is whether Alexander's full body moving and fighting at full force against something would drain multiple times more power compared to Alexander just propping itself up from the bottom of a lake. I think it's possible, spells are expensive in this economy.
>The unsundered world, aetherically speaking, is about what, twice, three times, four times as dense as the Source?
Post sundering it's thirteen times as dense. By the time Alexander is summoned, it's seven times into six times
I brought it up because of the time manipulation powers it has. Couldn't he technically time travel to before Zodiark was created and kill everyone? Or freeze them in time?
>Couldn't he technically time travel to before Zodiark was created and kill everyone?
Yes, you even go to that point in time in the story using a copy of Alexander's powers, not even the real thing.
Huh, I didn't expect them to reuse him that much considering that raid series is not mandatory.
Zodiark and Hydaelyn are glorified containers and nothing more. They exist to keep certain universe rules alive.
Zodiark is a glorified shield generator - Hydaelyn has the power to give people headaches and mindreading. It's not like either of them is super powerful in combat or capable of bending the universe rules yet again.
True, XIV is a very low power level setting, all things considered, there isn't even a true Void in it and the Cloud of Darkness of the setting is essentially a glorified demon with no metaphysical role to its existence at all, and nothing in any way divine appears like XI anywhere in it.
He's not the real antagonist but still pretty fricking broken
doomsissys
How many FF threads are you up to now? 60 today?
Tonberry
Sin is up there. Top 5 for sure.
Sin at it's best is a continent destroyer, relatively weak compared to all the other FF antagonists.
It does that while actively being held back. If Seymour got control of it like he wanted the planet would have been toast in seconds.
Are we counting any party that antagonized the party? In that case, Ozma or original release Yiazmat.
unironically the dude from 16.
Kefka > Ultimecia > Sephiroth
Kefka becomes a literal god and reshapes the world. Ultimecia controls all the magic - And Sephi while powerful is just a very powerful guy at the end of the day who summons a meteor because he himself is incapable of finishing the job.
Sephi is easily the most famous and iconic but on a powerlevel scale he is definitely on the lower end as far as FF villains go. All he has is superior strength, speed and intellect. Nothing that is truly god-like. Compared to Ultimecia who technically isn't a god but still has access to abilities like time manipulation, apocalyptic spells and creation magic.
Accurate, Sephiroth's biggest trump card was in being a psychological threat to Cloud personally and he legitimately is one of the weakest antagonists because the entire story takes place during his attempt AT gaining some degree of supernatural power that upends the balance of the world, which most other villains already have by the time their stories starts.
>the entire story takes place during his attempt AT gaining some degree of supernatural power that upends the balance of the world, which most other villains already have by the time their stories starts.
Bro are you moronic? That applies to all three of them.
Not really, most of the others are just trying to enact a "win more" scenario.
Ultimecia has already collected all the magic in the world in her own person by the time VIII starts, and is just trying to pull off ultra time magic nonsense even though she's already the most powerful creature in the entire world on her own time.
Kefka, by the time you fight him, has already succeeded at his plan, he drained the Warring Triad and became the most powerful magical creature in the world.
The final battle against Sephiroth is legitimately fought at the equivalent point in time where Kefka and Gestahl are at the floating continent, maybe a little bit beyond that since at least Sephiroth has the power to manipulate Jenova cells [which is where the whole Bizarro/Safer Sephiroth comes into play]. Genuinely if the weapons weren't brainless morons fricking off to attack humanity and had actually focused on the Sephiroth/Jenova infection from the beginning they'd have won easily.
Alright, it was just poor wording on your part.
are you? Kefka and Ultimecia actually reach Real Ultimate Power, Sephiroth is wienerblocked at one minute to midnight.
Exdeath is probably the strongest FF Villain overall.
He has all the bullshit that Kefka has plus doesn't only reshape the world to his image - he can fuse multiple different worlds together all while being the literal manifestation of evil and being nearly unkillable.
That or Cloud of Darkness who is just an inevitable and inescapable force of nature that technically cannot be defeated at all - only sealed/kept at bay.
Exdeath doesn't meld the worlds under his own power. The worlds are naturally one world and they were only being held apart by the crystals, so the destruction of the crystals mashes them back together. Exdeath is really just an extremely powerful demon who unlocks overpowered magic that lets him cast black holes everywhere.
Yeah but the magic he unlocks and gains for himself is so powerful it literally makes reality fall apart.
This is about the villains at their peak - not what their starting position is.
Something like this.
As much as I like FF1, Chaos doesn't strike me as particularly powerful in the grand scheme of things even if he's cool as frick
Depends how canon you consider Stranger of Paradise.
Jack's game is its own thing.
I don't because it contradicts things from the original FF1, also I hate crossover bullshit (unless it's just a "what if") like the FF2 Emperor showing up and supposedly Bahamut being the save Bahamut as the FFXV one.
where the frick is Ultimecia
Third one in S tier.
Could you have picked a worse image
I just used a template that was already there, but what's wrong with her final form?
Literally everyone has a mental image of Ultimecia in their mind. Whenever Ultimecia is mentioned, discussed, what image is most used on Ganker? You literally picked the most contrarian, not immediately recognized, IN-GAME image of FINAL FORM Ultimecia. Bro, I'm noticing a lot of these images are kind of like this one. Why did you pick an image of in-game Safer Sephiroth when you could have have just used a more conventional one? Learn to tier list, it's easier to read.
>Literally everyone has a mental image of Ultimecia in their mind.
I always picture her final form in power level discussions because that's when she's at the height of her power, in the midst of the time kompression.
>You literally picked the most contrarian, not immediately recognized, IN-GAME image of FINAL FORM Ultimecia.
I said I didn't pick the image, I used a premade villain template on tiermaker. I don't like most of the pictures either.
Chaos: Gained near Inmortality through time travel/loop shenanigans.
Emperor: Conquered the world. After you kick his ass he conqueres the afterlife as well.
Cloud of Darkness: Force of Nature - kills entire worlds simply by existing,
Zemus: Can mind control people - also a strong magic user - That's basically it.
Exdeath: Not only capable of destroying one world but multiple ones. Wizard so powerful they could only seal him - not defeat him.
Kefka: Becomes god and instantly fricks the entire world with one finger. Can transform into a higher being and manipulate reality within that world.
Sephiroth: Can cast a doomsday meteor - but only if he has the right materia for it - ignoring that he is just a very powerful soldier.
Ultimecia: Can manipulate time itself - Capable of erasing all of existence.
Kuja: Destroyer of worlds - Did it once - wanted and could have done it again.
Yu Yevon: Glorified scam artist - could have done something but too slow to act - can frick up a few countries i guess.
Vayne: He is smart! And evil!
Galenth: He is super tanky and can cast powerful spells!
XIV Villains: Okay, ignoring all the crossover stuff we got a bunch of garleans and their Ultima machine, a pissed off dragon, a sword autists looking for a good fight, a powerful sorcerer who saw his own world getting destroyed so now he is failing to bring it back - can only do so very slowly and fricks up multiple steps as well. Endsinger is kind of a big threat but not on a universe bending level.
>Vayne
>evil
>Can transform into a higher being and manipulate reality within that world.
where are you morons pulling this shit from?
>Ultimecia: control time
Rinoa can control Time AND Space. She literally plucked Squall from the end of time and space and brought him back to the location where he made his oath. Possibly even after he died as well. She's OP as frick.
>Endsinger is kind of a big threat but not on a universe bending level.
Kind of a big threat? She is trying to accelerate the heat death of the universe and kill everything in existence and lock all souls inside an '' egg '' that won't allow anything to be reborn ever again. I'd say she is an insane level of threat and is only beaten by a ridiculous amounts of deus ex machina and time travel.
Sin > Ultimecia > Kefka
Sin is low tier
Sin would be low tier if not for the fricking ultra powerful gravity cannon it has that it only ever uses when causing a bad ending and which is never relevant to the actual story, that kind of thing definitely puts him in high mid
Everyone has a lazer canon. Sephiroth has one. The weapon that attacked Junon has won. Cloud of Darkness has one. Zeromus has one. etc etc
Sin is actively handicapped throughout the whole game. It wants to lose.
please keep your head canon to yourself.
Jecht can still exert control.
Jecht does not want to kill everyone.
Jecht wants to be stopped.
It couldn't be more clear.
Sin was defeated only 4 times in the span of a thousand years, and that's ignoring the whole Final Aeon thing is a sham to better control the populace.
Also when someone puts an actual fight against it for once, the entire time he's kept essentially narcoleptic by the Hymm of the Fayth playing to him, isn't it?
But that's Yu Yevon, not Jecht.
Jecht is the one who's calmed by the hymn.
>Sin was defeated only 4 times in the span of a thousand years
There are a ton of high summoners, you see their statues in the temples.
>and that's ignoring the whole Final Aeon thing is a sham to better control the populace.
No, it's not a sham and it's not there for control. It's there because it's the only method anyone knows of for beating Sin even temporarily. Yunalesca isn't turning people into Final Aeons for the sake of Bevelle's social structure, she's doing it because she thinks it's the only thing that works at all.
There's only 4 of them. It's the same statues in every temple.
Play the game.
No, it's Jecht. He liked the hymn and knowing that he's in control forms the basis of the initial attack against Sin. He even references it right before you fight him.
Sin gets regularly defeated by a normal aeon every 10 years or so. The Sin that returns each time isn't even the same Sin, it's just Yevon in a new shell made out of the previous aeon who beat him.
Looks like you need to play it again, unfortunately.
how many of you have actually played every single game? I wish I could join this discussion but i don't know who a majority of these villains are.
So you're in this thread because you want to spoil everything for yourself?
i doubt I'll ever get around to playing most of em.
So you posted in the thread for what, attention?
just to piss you off.
I'm mostly upset at myself for replying to you and derailing the thread.
mission accomplished. U R A gay
dont worry, you're not important enough to derail anything
thanks, anon.
Just play them, most of them aren't even long.
Do you really expect someone to have played every single FF game? I'm in this thread and only played 4,6,7,8,10,12,13,15 and 16. I played dissidia so im familiar with all the villains to some degree.
I've played every mainline game, a lot of side games but I'm missing some mobileshit like Before Crisis, Dimensions I and II, and Ever Crisis. And the Wii Crystal Chronicles spin-offs.
Only ones I didn't play were III and XI, and the story beats of III are easy to learn and understand even if you haven't actually played it.
Only ones I haven't beaten are the recent ones of the past 3 years, I've beaten every other one. Including the mobile games.
Every anon here forgot the most powerful FF villain of all time...
Square Enix
It's probably something from an MMO or unnecessary sequel like Lightning Returns, something with powercreep, but if we count only singleplayer, standalone numbered titles then it is probably one of the generic ancient evils like Cloud of Darkness or Exdeath or Necron. Then Kefka or Sin. Sephiroth is probably in the lower half of the list.
Easy
Perfect Alexander doesn't even actually exist, he's in-universe fiction from the Minstrel.
Rinoa (on the left)
The one who wrote the multiverse story for FF7R
Ardyn
because he's the only one who fully one and is canonically stronger than anyone else, literal nobody but noctis can take him out
How is that any different than Sephiroth who exclusively can only be beaten by Cloud?
Sephiroth isn't functionally immortal
>Sephiroth isn't functionally immortal
He actually is. So long as his cells exist on the planet his will can manifest with them from within the planet.
>Anyone could kill Sephiroth.
Prove it
He's immortal in the same way The Joker is immortal. So long as he sells then he is never allowed to truly die.
Anyone could kill Sephiroth. He just always makes dumb decisions regarding Cloud because he's still mad about getting owned by a random grunt.
Lightning & XI Protag could too
It's funny how he's the strongest because of a complete accident.
>because of a complete accident.
How was it an accident? It was Bahamut being a c**t
The thing that made him immortal was touching the crystal while he was corrupted and it rejecting him, but a small part of him remained inside it and he just kept regenerating from it.
That entire scenario wasn't accidental. It was a set up from the start and Aera and Somnus knew it.
Why dont they trying making an FF game have an antagonist who isnt some super duper evil person
They have and there's a good reason why you don't know about them.
Thats retcon and doesnt count. I mean why dont they just make FF17 have the antagonist have goals that are against what the protagonist wants but isnt really evil or world ending.
The frick you on about?
Lufeninans deserve DEATH
I''m going to say something controversial. Sephiroth is probably the weakest. He's a relatively normal person compared to all the other villains.
My FF villain OC is the strongest
>sauce: I SAID SO!
In terms of the feats shown across every world he's appeared in, it's blatantly Sephiroth. Just wait until there's an Ultimate Raid vs him in Final Finastride 14 to cement it as accepted fact by the troons.
Zeppyroth because he has the power of sales