No one did. The last couple of games were great, you probably played them for dozens of hours yourself, and they outsold nearly every other pokemon game.
sales are not a reasonable indicator of quality you stupid salesgay, normalgays propel recycled dogshit like CoD and FIFA to the top of sales charts constantly. I bet you think those games are good too, idiot
I enjoyed cod4 quite a bit as a teenager, it's a quality game for its demographic. I don't know much about fifa but I'm guessing it's great for the tens of millions of soccer fans around the world.
I ask again: what's your superior metric? number of posts you read on /vp/?
sales are not a reasonable indicator of quality you stupid salesgay, normalgays propel recycled dogshit like CoD and FIFA to the top of sales charts constantly. I bet you think those games are good too, idiot
pokegays like this.
doesnt matter if its real or bait. its a perfect example of the very real mentality actual fans have. pokegays are the ultimate paypiggi consumers. as long as theres bright colors and funny words like lechonk they are satisfied 100%. just join the creative space and make your own pokemon shit so you dont gotta care much. shrug.
lechonk is a shitmon and I've only paid for gens 1-3, 8, and 9. I'm just not obsessed with trying to think everything I play is bad, especially when I spend dozens of hours playing it. it's like, are you self-aware? you spend dozens of hours playing something you hate? either no self-awareness of your own feelings, or you enjoy being angry.
>No one did. The last couple of games were great, you probably played them for dozens of hours yourself, and they outsold nearly every other pokemon game.
morimoto for ruining the fanbase by making games that manchildren still jerk off to today. imagine how much less toxic and entitled the fandom would be if his games hadn't existed
>morimoto for ruining the fanbase
kek, there's some truth to this take.
I'm guilty about having some real manchild moments over other games not having my pokemon follow me around because of HGSS.
The fact that HGSS was done well enough, makes me not point to them as being indicative of remakes being a cash grab and missing a 3rd when the topic comes up.
I am personally guilty of giving his games a pass to or lauding them above others, especially emerald.
His games certainly set some of the expectations I've had over the years.
He's not alone, but I don't think you are far off with your assessment of expectations being a bigger detriment to the series than most other decisions made by developers or the company.
Ishihara did because he's a greedy businessman who immediately saw opportunity to bloat Pokemon into a multimedia abomination in its infant years, which in turn played a vital role in defining Pokemania once Pokemon was set to be localized.
And then when he slid over to TPC upon its inception, the company became more and more influentially powerful due to said multimedia abomination and put constant pressure on GameFreak to continue churning out games in order to keep the beast sated on an annual basis.
Nintendo's at fault too for enabling this since Pokemon has been a system seller since inception by giving the Gameboy several years of life support, but that's only because, most importantly to blame of them all...
The common consumer is the key culprit for Pokemon's decline. I don't think I need to elaborate too much about the common consumer for you to understand.
reminder that the second-ever pokemon game was already a cross-promotional advertisement for another cross-promotional advertisement for the first game
pokemon has been soulless since yellow
>two games made obsolete by third version >remakes where you can't evolve your pokemon into national dex evos (this is a bad thing, stop b8ing) >two games made obsolete by third version >two games completely overshadowed by superior sequels >sad transition into 3D with a boring, easy (even for pokemons standards) game that gave less than 50 new pokemon >remakes of the same set of games where you still can't evolve your pokemon into national dex evos (this is a bad thing, stop b8ing)
I never actually realized how bad it was
just like any other pokemon game + raidmons, more active pokemon in the overworld, really good models, and I like a lot of the available mons. you probably played it for dozens of hours yourself so you either liked it too or you get some perverse pleasure out of being upset.
We've been over this, the problem was always a mix of fans never knowing what they want and the nostalgia cycle leading them to enshrine terrible games because they grew up with them. That's why BDSP had to remind people just how bad D/P actually was instead of how they remembered it.
And yet despite how bad DP (and by extension BDSP) were, it still sold the best out of all the remakes, thus telling GameFreak "yes, daddy, outsource remakes and make them almost 1:1 to the original aside from the addition of casualization and Fairy Types!"
Remember that time western normalgays complained so constantly and loudly about "WHERE'S MUH BROS???" during Gen 5 that Gen 6 onward dedicated extravagant amounts of time and effort to Kanto pandering?
>normalhomosexuals and nostalgiatards ruined this series
this
when I saw nostalgiatards praise the PWT despite it being drastically worse than the BF just because old characters show up, I knew the series was dead
The Battle Frontier was never anything special either, most people only played the Battle Factory because they didn't know how to build competitively to offset the RNG bullshit from other facilities, especially the likes of the Pike, Pyramid and Palace.
Gen 5 trying to make Pokemon disposable and failing is not a sign that the fans are to blame for Pokemon being bad. Gamefreak are just bad developers who hate their fans and want to punish them
Mhm, yep, Mewtwo and Charizard getting TWO Mega Evolutions and no other Pokemon was definitely an organic decision and not a damage control to show "look guys, we're sorry! we know who's king around these parts, we'll never let it happen again, we swear!"
Not even Lucario got two Mega Evolutions despite being one of GameFreak's most shilled Pokemon, mind you.
>they made well liked pokemon get new forms instead of forgettable literal whos like emboar and genesect
oh no the horror!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why does Lucario not have two Mega Evolutions despite being one of the most shilled and most popular Pokemon? Shouldn't it be right up there with Charizard and Mewtwo in that regard? The criteria for being worthy of two Mega Evolutions is being extremely popular, right?
Blame Japan's respect your elders culture. Masuda was one of GameFreak's founding fathers alongside Taijri and Sugimori, so naturally when Taijri was ready to retire from direct involvement, Masuda was the best option by default because he actually worked with the game's programming to create music.
Masuda had some nice qol ideas but sticking to a formula while also removing innovations for the sake of making his formula game superficially special was the true downfall
This. Masuda destroyed Pokemon by bringing back berry farming and adding depth to it, adding back fishing rods and adding depth to it, bringing back pokeradar, adding trainer customization, adding diagonal movement, adding 8+ new animations for every single Pokemon, improving breeding QoL, drastically improving multiplayer and online, improving the map design and puzzles, and actually putting polish and attention to detail in the game.
>can plant berries in kalos >can't plant berries in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Someone should tell GameFreak there's a market for a Pokemon game centered exclusively around berry farming with how obsessed you are over this mechanic that you consider it to be one of the most important core aspects of mainline Pokemon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>can customize my character in kalos >can't customize my character in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
If we're going to critique past games for not having features that would be introduced later in the series, then why are you focusing on Unova being bad? Shouldn't RGBY be the shittiest games worth mocking for not having Held Items, Breeding, Dark and Steel Types, Special Defense, Abilities, the Physical/Special Split, the Fairy Type, Weather, Terrain, Raids, Berries, a Battle Facility or any of the other countless features?
6 months ago
Anonymous
you can’t reason with this schizo, just call it a homosexual and move on. like this
>can plant berries in kalos >can't plant berries in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
>can customize my character in kalos >can't customize my character in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
>can use old and good rod and fish chain with them in kalos >can't old and good rod or fish chain in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
homosexual
6 months ago
Anonymous
game mechanics != features
6 months ago
Anonymous
Fine. RGBY's still the shittiest because it has no berries, no gym rematches, no battle facilities, no customization, no move deleter, no move reminder and no chain fishing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, because
1. those features didn't exist in games that already came out before it and
2. those games had technical limitations
BW2 has no excuse
RGBY are incomplete because they don't have Marill, Snubbull, Ho-Oh or Togepi who all appeared during the Indigo League era of the anime.
Glad you agree
Careful buddy, that argument won't work because "the original dragon only existed in-lore while Zygarde's forms appeared in the anime during what was literally known as 'XYZ'."
's argument is moronic
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why does B2W2 have no excuse in your eyes, schizo-kun? Why is it the only game that's allowed to be critiqued for not having features that would be introduced in mainline Pokemon until after its release?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Why does B2W2 have no excuse in your eyes
because berry farming existed in games before bw2 and it has no technical limitations preventing it from having shit like trainer customization
6 months ago
Anonymous
So not having berry farming means it's susceptible to being critiqued for not having chain fishing? Yellow not letting you choose a starter other than Pikachu means it's susceptible to being critiqued for not having Terastalization which would have been a masterful mechanic to help Pikachu get past Brock.
6 months ago
Anonymous
not having terastalization isn't a flaw
not being able to do something as basic as use different fishing rods, a feature that existed in previous games, is a flaw
the fact that XY brought these back AND added more depth to it by adding chaining, yet you think it's magically incomplete but BW2 isn't is just icing on the cake
6 months ago
Anonymous
Elaborate why ORAS isn't scrutinized by your standards despite removing trainer customization and you're instead obsessing over this version of B2W2 that has berry farming and retroactively updates itself to include features and mechanics from later generations.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Elaborate why [FANFIC]
Stop deflecting and explain how XY is unfinished in a way that doesn't also make BW2 unfinished.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>ORAS not having trainer customization is now fanfiction
6 months ago
Anonymous
What you think my opinion of ORAS is is fanfiction, because I haven't mentioned ORAS at all in this thread. Stop deflecting and explain how XY is unfinished in a way that doesn't also make BW2 unfinished.
6 months ago
Anonymous
All Pokemon games are fundamentally unfinished because they all have concepts and ideas that get scrapped or truncated to meet the deadline.
XY is more blatant about being an unfinished game because it never follows up on Zygarde who was clearly meant to transform, but instead it's shoved into SMUSUM as an afterthought.
B2W2 absolutely has unfinished material based on the PWT excerpts featuring Hilbert and Hilda, but claiming it's on the same level of unfinished as XY because it doesn't have minor features like Berry Farming or a distinction between Fishing Rods is disingenuous and only serves to soften any critiquing blows against XY by saying "it's not THAT bad, just look at B2W2!"
6 months ago
Anonymous
>XY is more blatant about being an unfinished game because it never follows up on Zygarde
6 months ago
Anonymous
Show me where the Original Dragon was meant to appear in the games, anime, manga or any other form of Pokemon media and not exist solely as a lore element.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Show me where the 100% Zygarde was meant to appear XY and not exist solely as a lore element.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why did the anime explicitly called XYZ feature Zygarde's 10% and 100% forms if they were never going to appear in the Kalos games? Wouldn't it make more sense to save them for Alola to not wrongly get people's hopes up about media made after XY's release implicating that XY may get DLC or receive a third version that stars Zygarde's 10% and 100% forms?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're right. BW2 is incomplete because it doesn't have Helioptile, Noivern, Gogoat, and Mega Mewtwo who all appeared in the BW anime.
Because 100% got forced into the 20th anniversary game.
How is this relevant to XY?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so we're in agreeance the Pokemon franchise as a whole is unfinished slop because of
RGBY are incomplete because they don't have Marill, Snubbull, Ho-Oh or Togepi who all appeared during the Indigo League era of the anime.
, as well as the fact that Gen 2 is incomplete because Blaziken, Kecleon, Azurill, Wynaut, Duskull, Volbeat, Sharpedo, Shroomish, Seedot, Zigzagoon, Lotad, Wingull, Pelipper, Latias and Latios appear in the GS anime, Gen 3 is incomplete because Bonsly, Munchlax, Weavile, Mime Jr., Mantyke, Buizel, Chatot, Electivire, Lucario and Manaphy appear in the RS anime, and Gen 4 is incomplete because Zorua and Zoroark appear in the DP anime.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because 100% got forced into the 20th anniversary game.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>BW2 is incomplete because the fourth genie got shoved into PLA
Good to know.
6 months ago
Anonymous
4th genie didn't exist during the dev time of BW2. 100% was meant for the canned Z project that turned into SM
6 months ago
Anonymous
100% Zygarde didn't exist during the dev time of XY.
6 months ago
Anonymous
100% Zygarde didn't exist during the dev time of XY.
Are you an insider at GameFreak? How do you know that Enamorus was planned to exist during Gen 5, but Zygarde WASN'T planned to exist during Gen 6?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Are you an insider at GameFreak? How do you know that Enamorus wasn't planned to exist during Gen 5, but Zygarde WAS planned to exist during Gen 6?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then by that logic, unless someone from GameFreak directly confirms it, you can't claim B2W2 is unfinished because you don't know if at any point during development that they intended to include berry farming directly in the game or include the Old and Good Rods alongside the Super Rod.
In that same vein, you can't claim XY is finished because you don't know if they were able to fully realize and include all concepts and ideas without scrapping or truncating anything.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then by that logic you can't claim game I like is unfinished and you can't claim game I don't like is finished.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And there it is, it all comes unraveled, no more bullshit. I got what I wanted, and that was confirmation that this whole bit was "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE AND LIKE WHAT I LIKE INSTEAD" under layers of autism.
Thanks for playing, schizo-kun! See you next thread.
6 months ago
Anonymous
he's mocking your post you moron
the lack of self awareness you have is hilarious
6 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I deny your concession.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he
We all know it's you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>y-you’re just samegayging!
yeah sure whatever deflection it takes to divert attention from you not being able to defend bw2
6 months ago
Anonymous
>bw2 has no technical limitations preventing it from having shit like trainer customization
Neither did most pokemon games. The worst offender is ORAS by the way.
Gen VI, VII, and VIII are the worst in the series, cope homosexual.
Emerald is the most overrated piece of shit in the entire franchise. I would go as far to say that RSE might be straight up the worst of all mainline games.
Careful buddy, that argument won't work because "the original dragon only existed in-lore while Zygarde's forms appeared in the anime during what was literally known as 'XYZ'."
And XYZ exists to shill Pokemon in Sun and Moon. Glad you agree
Careful buddy, that argument won't work because "the original dragon only existed in-lore while Zygarde's forms appeared in the anime during what was literally known as 'XYZ'."
>And XYZ exists to shill Pokemon Sun and Moon
No you fricking moron? Mega Mewtwo is an XY gimmick, Zygarde is not a gimmick, there is no reason to shill a pokemon that is hardly relevant to Alola.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Mewtwo >spend 5 minutes catching it in a single part of the very end of the game
>Zygarde >has two side characters dedicated to giving you info/items about it and you need spend the entire game collecting cells for it >”I-IT’S HARDLY RELEVANT TO ALOLA!!”
ah so you’re just a butthurt moron, good to know
6 months ago
Anonymous
>and you need spend the entire game collecting cells for it >need
You dont need it for ANYTHING. Zygarde is NOT important whatsoever to the Alola games. Collecting them all just gives you the pokemon, thats it.
Mewtwo on the other hand has a whole area that he is dedicated to protecting, was actively promoted among the megas in the ads for XY's release, and has 2 different forms being one of the two that has it besides Shillizard.
have a nice day XYgay.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> You dont need it for ANYTHING. Zygarde is NOT important whatsoever to the Alola games.
Just like Mewtwo, got it.
>B-BUT MEWTWO HAS ITS OWN AREA
Did you forget there’s a lab for Zygarde on Ula’Ula Island and a dungeon for Zygarde on Poni Island? Or did you schizo brain forget that?
>I-IT WAS ACTIVELY PROMOTED
You mean like Zygarde?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Did you forget there’s a lab for Zygarde
Thats just Acerola's rent house. >and a dungeon for Zygarde on Poni Island
Now youre making shit up.
>You mean like Zygarde?
Promoted by who lmao? We learned about Zygarde 100% HERE on Ganker Joe. Get the frick out of here.
Masuda, Ohmori, and whoever decided to stop letting Morimoto direct games. Funny how the parts that Morimoto is in charge of in new games are usually the only redeeming factors.
Masuda. >B-but he made all these games
His depression over BW made him pass on a horrible Pokemon development philosophy that made him and his team cynical, Ohmori has soul but he is an artist, he cannot convey a game and didnt learn enough from Masuda.
Fake. Tajiri only did gen 1. His version of gen 2 was completely scrapped and thats when he decided to leave
In fact, since Shudo also left by that point or a little later and all his ideas got completely censored after mewtwo, thats when an actual and only change happened.
I mean, apart from innovative changes. Then X and Y, sun and moon and Scarlet Violet innovate more than any other
Masuda was already in charge for Crystal.
And from there, it was a gradual, step-by-step process to infantilizing the games to where they are now. XY was just the culmination of his work.
you did
only correct answer
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Unno
No one did. The last couple of games were great, you probably played them for dozens of hours yourself, and they outsold nearly every other pokemon game.
>big number mean good!
pokegays are diseased
they're a reasonable indicator of quality. what metric do you use? amount of times you heard someone say it's bad on a tiktok?
sales are not a reasonable indicator of quality you stupid salesgay, normalgays propel recycled dogshit like CoD and FIFA to the top of sales charts constantly. I bet you think those games are good too, idiot
I enjoyed cod4 quite a bit as a teenager, it's a quality game for its demographic. I don't know much about fifa but I'm guessing it's great for the tens of millions of soccer fans around the world.
I ask again: what's your superior metric? number of posts you read on /vp/?
>sales are not a reasonable indicator of quality
For pokemon they are, the worst sold games are the best.
You? Lost
They? Won
Sales = Success
pokegays like this.
doesnt matter if its real or bait. its a perfect example of the very real mentality actual fans have. pokegays are the ultimate paypiggi consumers. as long as theres bright colors and funny words like lechonk they are satisfied 100%. just join the creative space and make your own pokemon shit so you dont gotta care much. shrug.
lechonk is a shitmon and I've only paid for gens 1-3, 8, and 9. I'm just not obsessed with trying to think everything I play is bad, especially when I spend dozens of hours playing it. it's like, are you self-aware? you spend dozens of hours playing something you hate? either no self-awareness of your own feelings, or you enjoy being angry.
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/qa/ lost
>No one did. The last couple of games were great, you probably played them for dozens of hours yourself, and they outsold nearly every other pokemon game.
morimoto for ruining the fanbase by making games that manchildren still jerk off to today. imagine how much less toxic and entitled the fandom would be if his games hadn't existed
ironic to call others manchildren when you judge something based off of its fanbase and not the actual thing in question
if you simply hate the fact that those games cause “entitlement”, it could just be that those games are better than your favorites.
If anyone made a game close to his people would stop jerking them off so hard.
homosexuals like you have sucked all meaning out of the words "toxic" and "entitled".
>morimoto for ruining the fanbase
kek, there's some truth to this take.
I'm guilty about having some real manchild moments over other games not having my pokemon follow me around because of HGSS.
The fact that HGSS was done well enough, makes me not point to them as being indicative of remakes being a cash grab and missing a 3rd when the topic comes up.
I am personally guilty of giving his games a pass to or lauding them above others, especially emerald.
His games certainly set some of the expectations I've had over the years.
He's not alone, but I don't think you are far off with your assessment of expectations being a bigger detriment to the series than most other decisions made by developers or the company.
taijri for starting it
me, the braindead consumer who bought them all
Masuda
>Make 1 game
>It's the best one
>Vanish
Based platinum director
>improvement romhack tier game
>good
okay
Short answer: Ohmori
Real answer that will trigger everyone: anyone who isn't Tajiri
Ishihara did because he's a greedy businessman who immediately saw opportunity to bloat Pokemon into a multimedia abomination in its infant years, which in turn played a vital role in defining Pokemania once Pokemon was set to be localized.
And then when he slid over to TPC upon its inception, the company became more and more influentially powerful due to said multimedia abomination and put constant pressure on GameFreak to continue churning out games in order to keep the beast sated on an annual basis.
Nintendo's at fault too for enabling this since Pokemon has been a system seller since inception by giving the Gameboy several years of life support, but that's only because, most importantly to blame of them all...
The common consumer is the key culprit for Pokemon's decline. I don't think I need to elaborate too much about the common consumer for you to understand.
The only correct answer in this thread. Ohmori and Masuda did nothing wrong
reminder that the second-ever pokemon game was already a cross-promotional advertisement for another cross-promotional advertisement for the first game
pokemon has been soulless since yellow
>two games made obsolete by third version
>remakes where you can't evolve your pokemon into national dex evos (this is a bad thing, stop b8ing)
>two games made obsolete by third version
>two games completely overshadowed by superior sequels
>sad transition into 3D with a boring, easy (even for pokemons standards) game that gave less than 50 new pokemon
>remakes of the same set of games where you still can't evolve your pokemon into national dex evos (this is a bad thing, stop b8ing)
I never actually realized how bad it was
thanks for letting us know you’re a moron.
So why can't they fire Ohmori? He doesn't know how to make a good game.
Because they sold a lot
Godammit frick this franchise
Why would they fire him when his games have been the best selling mainline Pokemon games since Gen 2?
ORAS and SWSH were really fun, haven't tried SM though.
>SWSH
>really fun
How?
just like any other pokemon game + raidmons, more active pokemon in the overworld, really good models, and I like a lot of the available mons. you probably played it for dozens of hours yourself so you either liked it too or you get some perverse pleasure out of being upset.
We've been over this, the problem was always a mix of fans never knowing what they want and the nostalgia cycle leading them to enshrine terrible games because they grew up with them. That's why BDSP had to remind people just how bad D/P actually was instead of how they remembered it.
And yet despite how bad DP (and by extension BDSP) were, it still sold the best out of all the remakes, thus telling GameFreak "yes, daddy, outsource remakes and make them almost 1:1 to the original aside from the addition of casualization and Fairy Types!"
Guess ORAS was really good then if it didn't remind people that RSE was short as hell, linear, tedious, and completely lacking a postgame.
>Teh fans are to blame!!!111
Gamefreak has never once listened to the fans
Remember that time western normalgays complained so constantly and loudly about "WHERE'S MUH BROS???" during Gen 5 that Gen 6 onward dedicated extravagant amounts of time and effort to Kanto pandering?
normalhomosexuals and nostalgiatards ruined this series
>normalhomosexuals and nostalgiatards ruined this series
this
when I saw nostalgiatards praise the PWT despite it being drastically worse than the BF just because old characters show up, I knew the series was dead
PWT is better than BF and I say this as a massive Hoenngay. The only good battle facility from the BF is the factory.
>clapping at characters I recognize is better than challenge
Thanks for proving my point.
>m-muh challenge
None of these games are challenging, moron. But yes, tournament kino is better than gimmick facilities.
Nobody likes the cheese frontiers. The tower is a classic and pyramid is a fun idea but optimal RSE teambuilding is boring as hell
>Nobody likes the cheese frontiers
People who aren't campaignshitters do.
The Battle Frontier was never anything special either, most people only played the Battle Factory because they didn't know how to build competitively to offset the RNG bullshit from other facilities, especially the likes of the Pike, Pyramid and Palace.
umm no anon but you see pandering is suddenly fine if it's pandering for a gen my zoomer brain grew up with
which is why I will incessantly b***h about charizard getting two megas but volcarona getting two paradoxes is A-OK
Gen 5 trying to make Pokemon disposable and failing is not a sign that the fans are to blame for Pokemon being bad. Gamefreak are just bad developers who hate their fans and want to punish them
>they made pokemon show up in a pokemon game
oh no the horror!
Mhm, yep, Mewtwo and Charizard getting TWO Mega Evolutions and no other Pokemon was definitely an organic decision and not a damage control to show "look guys, we're sorry! we know who's king around these parts, we'll never let it happen again, we swear!"
Not even Lucario got two Mega Evolutions despite being one of GameFreak's most shilled Pokemon, mind you.
>they made well liked pokemon get new forms instead of forgettable literal whos like emboar and genesect
oh no the horror!
Why does Lucario not have two Mega Evolutions despite being one of the most shilled and most popular Pokemon? Shouldn't it be right up there with Charizard and Mewtwo in that regard? The criteria for being worthy of two Mega Evolutions is being extremely popular, right?
Tajiri for stop directing
>what if we let a music guy direct a game?!
It was all down hill from there
Blame Japan's respect your elders culture. Masuda was one of GameFreak's founding fathers alongside Taijri and Sugimori, so naturally when Taijri was ready to retire from direct involvement, Masuda was the best option by default because he actually worked with the game's programming to create music.
Masuda had some nice qol ideas but sticking to a formula while also removing innovations for the sake of making his formula game superficially special was the true downfall
Masuda with X and Y
This. Masuda destroyed Pokemon by bringing back berry farming and adding depth to it, adding back fishing rods and adding depth to it, bringing back pokeradar, adding trainer customization, adding diagonal movement, adding 8+ new animations for every single Pokemon, improving breeding QoL, drastically improving multiplayer and online, improving the map design and puzzles, and actually putting polish and attention to detail in the game.
you will never get Z, assblasted kalos homosexual. Your favorite kusoge is so forgettable not even the people who made it give a shit.
>you will never get a pointless scam rehash because your games are already complete unlike slop like DP and BW
uh.....ok?
>Kalos
>complete
very sad cope
>can plant berries in kalos
>can't plant berries in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
Someone should tell GameFreak there's a market for a Pokemon game centered exclusively around berry farming with how obsessed you are over this mechanic that you consider it to be one of the most important core aspects of mainline Pokemon.
>can customize my character in kalos
>can't customize my character in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
If we're going to critique past games for not having features that would be introduced later in the series, then why are you focusing on Unova being bad? Shouldn't RGBY be the shittiest games worth mocking for not having Held Items, Breeding, Dark and Steel Types, Special Defense, Abilities, the Physical/Special Split, the Fairy Type, Weather, Terrain, Raids, Berries, a Battle Facility or any of the other countless features?
you can’t reason with this schizo, just call it a homosexual and move on. like this
homosexual
game mechanics != features
Fine. RGBY's still the shittiest because it has no berries, no gym rematches, no battle facilities, no customization, no move deleter, no move reminder and no chain fishing.
Nope, because
1. those features didn't exist in games that already came out before it and
2. those games had technical limitations
BW2 has no excuse
Glad you agree
's argument is moronic
Why does B2W2 have no excuse in your eyes, schizo-kun? Why is it the only game that's allowed to be critiqued for not having features that would be introduced in mainline Pokemon until after its release?
>Why does B2W2 have no excuse in your eyes
because berry farming existed in games before bw2 and it has no technical limitations preventing it from having shit like trainer customization
So not having berry farming means it's susceptible to being critiqued for not having chain fishing? Yellow not letting you choose a starter other than Pikachu means it's susceptible to being critiqued for not having Terastalization which would have been a masterful mechanic to help Pikachu get past Brock.
not having terastalization isn't a flaw
not being able to do something as basic as use different fishing rods, a feature that existed in previous games, is a flaw
the fact that XY brought these back AND added more depth to it by adding chaining, yet you think it's magically incomplete but BW2 isn't is just icing on the cake
Elaborate why ORAS isn't scrutinized by your standards despite removing trainer customization and you're instead obsessing over this version of B2W2 that has berry farming and retroactively updates itself to include features and mechanics from later generations.
>Elaborate why [FANFIC]
Stop deflecting and explain how XY is unfinished in a way that doesn't also make BW2 unfinished.
>ORAS not having trainer customization is now fanfiction
What you think my opinion of ORAS is is fanfiction, because I haven't mentioned ORAS at all in this thread. Stop deflecting and explain how XY is unfinished in a way that doesn't also make BW2 unfinished.
All Pokemon games are fundamentally unfinished because they all have concepts and ideas that get scrapped or truncated to meet the deadline.
XY is more blatant about being an unfinished game because it never follows up on Zygarde who was clearly meant to transform, but instead it's shoved into SMUSUM as an afterthought.
B2W2 absolutely has unfinished material based on the PWT excerpts featuring Hilbert and Hilda, but claiming it's on the same level of unfinished as XY because it doesn't have minor features like Berry Farming or a distinction between Fishing Rods is disingenuous and only serves to soften any critiquing blows against XY by saying "it's not THAT bad, just look at B2W2!"
>XY is more blatant about being an unfinished game because it never follows up on Zygarde
Show me where the Original Dragon was meant to appear in the games, anime, manga or any other form of Pokemon media and not exist solely as a lore element.
Show me where the 100% Zygarde was meant to appear XY and not exist solely as a lore element.
Why did the anime explicitly called XYZ feature Zygarde's 10% and 100% forms if they were never going to appear in the Kalos games? Wouldn't it make more sense to save them for Alola to not wrongly get people's hopes up about media made after XY's release implicating that XY may get DLC or receive a third version that stars Zygarde's 10% and 100% forms?
How is this relevant to XY?
Okay, so we're in agreeance the Pokemon franchise as a whole is unfinished slop because of
, as well as the fact that Gen 2 is incomplete because Blaziken, Kecleon, Azurill, Wynaut, Duskull, Volbeat, Sharpedo, Shroomish, Seedot, Zigzagoon, Lotad, Wingull, Pelipper, Latias and Latios appear in the GS anime, Gen 3 is incomplete because Bonsly, Munchlax, Weavile, Mime Jr., Mantyke, Buizel, Chatot, Electivire, Lucario and Manaphy appear in the RS anime, and Gen 4 is incomplete because Zorua and Zoroark appear in the DP anime.
Because 100% got forced into the 20th anniversary game.
>BW2 is incomplete because the fourth genie got shoved into PLA
Good to know.
4th genie didn't exist during the dev time of BW2. 100% was meant for the canned Z project that turned into SM
100% Zygarde didn't exist during the dev time of XY.
Are you an insider at GameFreak? How do you know that Enamorus was planned to exist during Gen 5, but Zygarde WASN'T planned to exist during Gen 6?
Are you an insider at GameFreak? How do you know that Enamorus wasn't planned to exist during Gen 5, but Zygarde WAS planned to exist during Gen 6?
Then by that logic, unless someone from GameFreak directly confirms it, you can't claim B2W2 is unfinished because you don't know if at any point during development that they intended to include berry farming directly in the game or include the Old and Good Rods alongside the Super Rod.
In that same vein, you can't claim XY is finished because you don't know if they were able to fully realize and include all concepts and ideas without scrapping or truncating anything.
Then by that logic you can't claim game I like is unfinished and you can't claim game I don't like is finished.
And there it is, it all comes unraveled, no more bullshit. I got what I wanted, and that was confirmation that this whole bit was "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE AND LIKE WHAT I LIKE INSTEAD" under layers of autism.
Thanks for playing, schizo-kun! See you next thread.
he's mocking your post you moron
the lack of self awareness you have is hilarious
I accept your concession.
I deny your concession.
>he
We all know it's you.
>y-you’re just samegayging!
yeah sure whatever deflection it takes to divert attention from you not being able to defend bw2
>bw2 has no technical limitations preventing it from having shit like trainer customization
Neither did most pokemon games. The worst offender is ORAS by the way.
Gen VI, VII, and VIII are the worst in the series, cope homosexual.
you actually enjoyed being sold literally incomplete games?
>can use old and good rod and fish chain with them in kalos
>can't old and good rod or fish chain in BW or even BW2
seems pretty complete to me, anon.
Emerald is the most overrated piece of shit in the entire franchise. I would go as far to say that RSE might be straight up the worst of all mainline games.
>>abos
Props to the guy who made HG and SS
Those games are peak Pokémon experience
Careful buddy, that argument won't work because "the original dragon only existed in-lore while Zygarde's forms appeared in the anime during what was literally known as 'XYZ'."
You're right. BW2 is incomplete because it doesn't have Helioptile, Noivern, Gogoat, and Mega Mewtwo who all appeared in the BW anime.
RGBY are incomplete because they don't have Marill, Snubbull, Ho-Oh or Togepi who all appeared during the Indigo League era of the anime.
Mega Mewtwo is from a movie that exists to shill the next region's new gimmick as every single anime part of pokemon does. Johto had Blaziken btw.
And XYZ exists to shill Pokemon in Sun and Moon. Glad you agree
‘s argument is moronic.
>And XYZ exists to shill Pokemon Sun and Moon
No you fricking moron? Mega Mewtwo is an XY gimmick, Zygarde is not a gimmick, there is no reason to shill a pokemon that is hardly relevant to Alola.
>Mewtwo
>spend 5 minutes catching it in a single part of the very end of the game
>Zygarde
>has two side characters dedicated to giving you info/items about it and you need spend the entire game collecting cells for it
>”I-IT’S HARDLY RELEVANT TO ALOLA!!”
ah so you’re just a butthurt moron, good to know
>and you need spend the entire game collecting cells for it
>need
You dont need it for ANYTHING. Zygarde is NOT important whatsoever to the Alola games. Collecting them all just gives you the pokemon, thats it.
Mewtwo on the other hand has a whole area that he is dedicated to protecting, was actively promoted among the megas in the ads for XY's release, and has 2 different forms being one of the two that has it besides Shillizard.
have a nice day XYgay.
> You dont need it for ANYTHING. Zygarde is NOT important whatsoever to the Alola games.
Just like Mewtwo, got it.
>B-BUT MEWTWO HAS ITS OWN AREA
Did you forget there’s a lab for Zygarde on Ula’Ula Island and a dungeon for Zygarde on Poni Island? Or did you schizo brain forget that?
>I-IT WAS ACTIVELY PROMOTED
You mean like Zygarde?
>Did you forget there’s a lab for Zygarde
Thats just Acerola's rent house.
>and a dungeon for Zygarde on Poni Island
Now youre making shit up.
>You mean like Zygarde?
Promoted by who lmao? We learned about Zygarde 100% HERE on Ganker Joe. Get the frick out of here.
You aight schizo? You well?
>schizo is violently malfunctioning and shitposting a brand new non-argument about retroactive feature cutting
My work here is done. homosexual.
Masuda.
Masuda, Ohmori, and whoever decided to stop letting Morimoto direct games. Funny how the parts that Morimoto is in charge of in new games are usually the only redeeming factors.
James Turner + Masuda = Muttnova
that's what ruined pokemon
Johto was unfinished and incomplete because Gen 4 had to add third evos for them btw.
Tajiri and Morimoto were the only good directors.
Ohmori and Iwao should work together to make the next Pokemon game
Ohmori.
>first remakes to be worse than a third version
>only first game to remove battle modes
>turned megas into a regional gimmick
Well at least we can all agree Unno was the worst.
>be Junichi Masuda
>made the most kino gen 1 remakes and the most dogshit gen 1 remakes
how the frick did he do that?
>made the most kino gen 1 remakes and the most dogshit gen 1 remakes
Yeah, I don't know how FRLG was able to get put onto shelves.
Masuda.
>B-but he made all these games
His depression over BW made him pass on a horrible Pokemon development philosophy that made him and his team cynical, Ohmori has soul but he is an artist, he cannot convey a game and didnt learn enough from Masuda.
>His [FANFIC]
unovagays are so cringe
They need the platinum guy to save the series
Since this a genwar thread. I wondered. How do gen 3 gays differentiate themselves from gen 4 onwards. I know the tactics of gen 2 and 4 but not 3
gen 3 is 2D
gen 4 isn’t
>GBC era
Gen 1 and 2
>GBA era
Gen 3
>NDS era (the peak)
Gen 4 and 5
>3DS era
Gen 6 and 7
>Switch era
Gen 8 and 9
Yes, Gen 3 is all in its lonesome.
Good, RSE are the worst games and they don't need to drag anyone else down with them by association.
Agreed, Firered is a terrible remake and its best forgotten. Frick Sevii islands.
have a nice day, borts. rse, frlg, dppt, and hgss are all in a poly relationship
Mindbroken
*Platinum, HGSS, BW and BW2 are all in a poly relationship
FTFY, lets not lump the best games in Pokemon with the GBA era.
Physical special split, HGSS and DPP don't even know who those peasants are.
>GBA and NDS go to together more than NDS and NDS because...b-because...James Turner!!
>no phsyical special split, all 2d, no god pokemon
>not listed Kaphotics
the three kings
Too bad emerald is stinking up that image
>the three kings of not knowing how to make shit and just make lazy scam romhacks of already finished games
>BW2 are le good now
the absolute state of vp
>The guys with the least games directed are the most based.
Interesting
>The directors who just had to improve on someone's established work have the most consistent portfolio
Woah
Quality > Quantity indeed
Fake. Tajiri only did gen 1. His version of gen 2 was completely scrapped and thats when he decided to leave
In fact, since Shudo also left by that point or a little later and all his ideas got completely censored after mewtwo, thats when an actual and only change happened.
I mean, apart from innovative changes. Then X and Y, sun and moon and Scarlet Violet innovate more than any other
Masuda was already in charge for Crystal.
And from there, it was a gradual, step-by-step process to infantilizing the games to where they are now. XY was just the culmination of his work.
>uhh actually pokemon are animals now
Masuda.