Nothing compares to the damage Gen 2 did. It almost killed Pokemon in its entirety.
Correct. The release of GSC was so disastrous that Satoshi Tajiri was involuntarily forced to step down from directing the very series he created. He is still, to this day, forbidden from directing another Pokemon generation.
Gen V by far and away. The reason so many pokemon "fans" today hold it in regard is because they were kids when it came out. Everyone who started on the older games basically stopped playing after they saw the abomination that Unova was. The low sales killed all the momentum so GF stopped trying on future games, instead of just realizing that their game sucked. Also, the massive, massive pokemon bloat that gen v introduced led to things like the national dex fiasco. Gen V probably had 2x as many mons as it needed since they had to remake stuff like zubat to fill out the dex since it was only new mons. Pretty much every negative aspect of modern pokemon can be traced directly back to gen V.
>Other fads usurping it >PS2 taking over for gaming >Oversaturation >Suicune likely being an unappealing mascot for Crystal >Ash's anticlimactic loss in the Pokemon League being upsetting for many people who kept up with the anime. This combined with a lack of interest in the Orange Islands arc and early Johto caused a significant decline in the casual appeal
Most of these aren't inherently Gen 2's fault. Questionable design with hindsight after later generations wouldn't have negatively impacted the sales of Crystal despite what disingenuous narratives would tell you otherwise.
zoomers who were born after ruby and sapphire came out will never stop apologizing for it
this
gen 2 was so bad it killed pokemania
Nothing compares to the damage Gen 2 did. It almost killed Pokemon in its entirety.
Correct. The release of GSC was so disastrous that Satoshi Tajiri was involuntarily forced to step down from directing the very series he created. He is still, to this day, forbidden from directing another Pokemon generation.
cumbrains have always existed and the alolan pokegirls don't even have generals now for the most part
porn threads muck up the catalogue but they don't affect threads of substance
>BW introduced diversity >XY introduced casualization and it's when GF didn't give a frick anymore >SM doubled down on waifubait >SwSh got rid of the dex
I can't think of any damage DP did, Gen 5 was where it started.
What's so hard to understand?
BW was the first main-line game to take place outside Japan and it was the first main-line game with actual Black folk in it
fricking virgin, when you grow up and have sex you immediately realize that you want to frick every race imaginable. You think you wouldn't frick a black girl with a clean ass just because she's black? Or a short and petite asian girl only because she's chinese? I'm not a liberal idiot who's all in for being inclusive everywhere or stupid, useless shit like that, but I'll tell you this:
Have sex, for real
9 months ago
Anonymous
I would never frick a black girl because they are disgusting looking.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't want to "frick", i want to have a wife and a family, because unlike you i'm white
9 months ago
Anonymous
I am brown and I want the same thing, dumb whiteoid
you can blame bw for most things wrong with the series.
Like what KANTOOOOOOOO shilling? Because BW went out of its way to prevent that having the main campaign only be Gen 5 pokemon so they don’t end up with West Kanto syndrome, but Genwunners threw a tantrum because they had to wait a little while before using CHARIZARD.
Yes non-whites are a flaw, but it's not really because of gen 5. At least Lenora is a single character, and you can obviously tell that Unova is pretty much entirely white, that she's just there by herself due to a specific turn of events that only applies to her. It's not like the new games where they want you to believe regions don't have any kind of ethnic identity whatsoever and people just happen to have random shades of brown skin for no reason.
I can't really defend her being married to a white guy though.
Self inserting as your own race when you are degrading others is peak irony.
Maybe you should ask the creators of your beloved franchise what they think about that opinion, maybe they just put riceballs and japanese-style houses for no reason after all.
non-whites have been running around throughout the franchise, Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh have non whites running around everywhere because they're fricking JAPANESE, sinnoh does have some russians though.
>XY introduced casualization
That's actually gen 5 though
Shiny lock, shiny charm, removal of special locations and events for mythicals. It was the first step towards egalitarianism
Although it's obviously become way worse in gen 6
>Shiny lock
No argument against this. >Shiny charm
This was introduced in BW2 and it was a reward for completing the Nat. dex. This is like complaining that cheat codes are unlocked after beating a game. >Special locations and events for Mythicals
Landorus, Keldeo and Victini all had unique locations, either to catch them or, in the case of Keldeo, to do something relevant to their story plot.
Oh, also removal of the battle frontier obviously
>battle frontier
Battle subway. Frick you and your disingenuous arguments.
>This is like complaining that cheat codes are unlocked after beating a game
Considering shiny hunting was never over when the main plot is i have all the rights to complain about that. >Landorus, Keldeo and Victini all had unique locations, either to catch them or, in the case of Keldeo, to do something relevant to their story plot.
Landorus isn't a mythical. And i meant specifically places where you catch them. I hate the whole guy in mart just giving you a legendary for no reason thing, it's so fricking moronic. >Battle subway
Doesn't come close to a battle frontier. It's more like a battle tower.
>Considering shiny hunting was never over when the main plot is i have all the rights to complain about that
Then don't use it. The shiny charm can literally be disabled. It's not like modern EXP share. Again, this is like complaining about the attack helicopter cheat existing as a reward for beating a GTA game. You have the option to not use it. >Landorus isn't a mythical
Oh, that's on me. I should've double checked. I haven't played BW in fricking years, I totally forgot you could catch it in normal play with just a little trade. >I hate the whole guy in mart just giving you a legendary for no reason thing, it's so fricking moronic.
Agreed, but Keldeo's the only offender of Gen 5 for this(in terms of introduced event Pokemon of that generation. I'm aware that there were other events which didn't have locations or battles.) Arceus is the true first offender of this problem, though there's room to argue Mew was even further back since Gen 1 and 2 didn't have a way to battle Mew, and the event was distributed in a very similar manner to modern events.
Unlike any of those delivery events though, at least Keldeo had something to do with the game itself, featuring a subplot about getting Secret Sword, which while small, is still better than what we got from the Arceus and later events. >Doesn't even come close to a battle frontier
I disagree, but granted I don't actually care for the battle facilities that much. This may just be a case of me going "they're all the same" when there's nuance I'm missing.
>The shiny charm can literally be disabled
Doesn't matter since there's no visual difference between a shiny obtained with ot without it. >Keldeo's the only offender of Gen 5 for this
No, Genesect and Meloetta are instances of this as well. Victini is the exception not the rule >Arceus is the true first offender of this problem
Yes but it's due to bad decisions on GF's end while distributing stuff. The gen 4 games themselves have a whole event programmed in for it. I agree for Mew though, but it's still bad that we went back to this especially since it was never changed back after gen 5.
Also the Ruins of Alph were the best non-encounter mythical event. >This may just be a case of me going "they're all the same" when there's nuance I'm missing
Well yeah that's definitely that if you think all battle facilities are the same
if you're a virgin and need to live out your interections with attractive females through fiction because you don't interact with any IRL then sure I can see why it's be an improvement.
>Gen 3 severed the continuity, nothing that followed ever had a chance
...to be tainted by the mistakes of the past. The reason we still have Pokemon today is because of the brave actions taken in Okinawa in 1999 to start fresh with a new game for a new generation and shed the dead weight of the first games. We still use mostly the same mechanics established in 2001 today because they got it right the third time. Third time's the charm. Gen 3 rules, frick the rest, suck my dick.
they decided to do simpler shapes for the Unova dex and admitted that they did very few drafts of each mon
>they decided to do simpler shapes for the Unova dex
Because digital art tools hitting the mainstream was a fricking tragedy for traditional artists everywhere
gen 5 doesn't have "objectively" bad starters either
Yes it does brodie
Blaziken is objectively bad, it's a man in a fursuit and if it was made in gen 9 you would be crying about it nonstop.
Blaziken is a chicken doing kung fu with its bird claw hands you moron
gen 3 >Generation III enhanced the Pokémon world the most yet, bringing about the most changes to the world of Pokémon. >A complete overhaul of the Pokémon data structure >abilities
gen 4 >Much like how Generation II enhanced Generation I mostly by building on its features, Generation IV builds on the features introduced in Generation III. >Moves are now designated physical or special based on the move itself, rather than its type.
Like it or not you live in the world created by Ruby and Sapphire. Now cry about it.
3 cut day/night
4's overall just a shittier gen 3 with some soulful things added back from gen 2
5 ruined pokemon designs and regions
6 gave us ugly 3d that forever ruined the artstyle and ruined battles with moronic gimmicks
8 gave us dexcut
As a kid the loss of a day and night cycle was a big thing for me. The target audience isn't autistic people who care about shit like stats, it's kids who judge a game by the look and feel of it.
SM and there's no other choice. SM set the stone rolling for the direction the franchise would be heading towards to make TPCI the most money in the least amount of time and with the least amount of effort. If SM wasn't rushed out, Z would've been released to make Gen 6 complete and they wouldn't realize that the franchise would still sell like crazy despite the lack of effort in the games.
But nothing was as lazy as when USUM dropped. It would've been one thing if it was just one enhanced version of the game but they sold two full price version of what was essentially the exact same game as what came a year before.
You would have to share that complaint with Black and White 2 then. I like USUM and BW2, but it's not hard to point out that BW2 can be accused of many of the problems that USUM has.
Okay, then how could I not? Both share a retelling of the last story at best, both introduced more features on top of everything, and both share pretty much the same structure.
The only real difference is that BW2 is that its carbon copy story is just set in the future.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Black and White 2 is completely different games then Black and White they are not just enhanced versions. Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are the exact same game but with new cutscenes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree on how you view BW2, but I don't think we're going to make any meaningful conversation on this, so I'm just gonna let you be.
9 months ago
Anonymous
because you're a fricking dipshit. BW2 continued the story of BW, showing how the region changed over two years and drastically altering how you go through Unova with the addition of new areas.
USUM staples a bunch of shit onto SM that amounts to very little while taking a big fat dump on the story, which was one of the few things SM had going for it.
if the ultra recon squad did half as much as Hugh and Colress USUM would be substantially better games.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>BW2 are not just enhanced versions
Yeah and USUM is an AU so its not just an enhanced version
Story-only gays are the fricking worst
9 months ago
Anonymous
you're right, it's not an "enhanced version" because it's worse than the originals
X and Y are where the trends that are still plagueing the series to this day started, but the shift behind the scenes really started in small ways in Gen 5 (mostly in the writing and art departments). Gen 5 is still somewhat playable though; Gen 6 is utter doodoo dogshit.
I'm more talking about them bringing in overseas artists and the hard fricking left turn into digimon, animals with squiggly lines and stupid objects. Like Sugimori was clearly starting to run out of the juice even in Gen 3 but Gen 4 still managed to have some absolute bangers and no generation had objectively fricking bad starters before Gen 5, that shit fell off HARD and stayed fell off from 6 onwards.
Gen 3 is when Pokemon's design philosophy changed and it lost its original identity. As far as the actual video games go, Gen 6 is when they started dipping in quality and Gen 8 is when they became outright bad
The actual gameplay and RPG elements were still fine in Black/White. Black/White had (another) design philosophy shift wrt to game progression and the actual Pokemon designs, but it seemed redundant to point that out when Ruby/Sapphire had always done it first. Of course, you only care about games that came out after you were born and can't even conceptualize that trends might have existed beforehand
>The actual gameplay and RPG elements were still fine in Black/White
non-existent difficulty and non-existent exploration means the "RPG elements were still fine"?
>Blaziken >Ludicolo >Aggron >Cacturne >Rayquaza >Gardevoir >Regice >Dusclops
explain how these were produced from a flawed design philosophy that is inferior to Kanto's and Johto's
because this particular drawing is obviously low effort
9 months ago
Anonymous
because it's a bad design
>The actual gameplay and RPG elements were still fine in Black/White
non-existent difficulty and non-existent exploration means the "RPG elements were still fine"?
>non-existent difficulty and non-existent exploration
but enough about XY
Gen V by far and away. The reason so many pokemon "fans" today hold it in regard is because they were kids when it came out. Everyone who started on the older games basically stopped playing after they saw the abomination that Unova was. The low sales killed all the momentum so GF stopped trying on future games, instead of just realizing that their game sucked. Also, the massive, massive pokemon bloat that gen v introduced led to things like the national dex fiasco. Gen V probably had 2x as many mons as it needed since they had to remake stuff like zubat to fill out the dex since it was only new mons. Pretty much every negative aspect of modern pokemon can be traced directly back to gen V.
Yeah, it sold okay, but it ended millions of people's love for the series. Basically, everyone who loved gen I-IV left and pokemon stagnated because of the dead community.
I was one of them
I was already disappointed by HGSS
when I got around to playing BW because I was insisted to, for the first time I struggled to finish a Pokemon game due to sheer lack of motivation
Even XY wasn't as much of a slog for me personally
>Even XY wasn't as much of a slog for me personally
I had a similar experience. Although XY had a lot of problems, it seemed like it had better design. There is no slog or speeches that drag on, it's just playing a game. Whatever GF did in BW just makes the games so slow and boring and feel like a chore(which does appeal to certain people - helps explain its small, but dedicated fanbase).
And it made me realize just how much the presence of N made me hate the game
I feel like he's almost single-handedly responsible for slowing the game down with embarrassing irrelevant nonsense and I've never given a shit about him
I was astounded that the ending of the game is literally a portrait of his face and about his departure
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's because N is a shit character.
If you look at him from a rivals perspective, he falls incredibly shot - and I mean, May Brendan tier. I would add Gary to the list but at least he's played as the butthole that needs to be put down a peg and not a hero.
Barry had a point of character development at lake Acuity after losing to Jupiter
SIlver had points of character development throughout the entirety of GS, with him admitting that he's lacking something, and not being in denial of that fact.
With each defeat and with each setback, the best rivals had to re-evaluate themselves, even if they entered a stage of denial at first.
N just....doesn't. He has an idea, goes around the region being proven wrong and thus doesn't change 'muh formula' at best or straight up ignoring the pokemon he swears he can understand at worst until he attempts to go full dictator mode AND ONLY THEN is he written to think clearly about not being a moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
BW undermined its own premise by having N be obviously wrong every step of the way, yet not even the real villain who actually doesn't give a shit about any of this (which Team Plasma's actions reflect at every step of the way) and is just generically evil.
So it wastes the player's time with a completely bullshit story with zero payoff or real challenge to the players' thinking.
I was 17 when Gen 5 dropped and I had played every mainline release since Gen 2, except Platinum. Even asked for a Gamecube just for the two pokemon games on there. Loved Gen 5 on release and still do. The whole “it was their first game/they were a kid” argument is moronic.
My problem with Garchomp is how overtuned they make it lore wise. It suppose to be a ground/Shark dragon. It could've kept the Jet motiff but keep it grounded. saying it can fly at top speeds is moronic. Dragapult does it much better.
>unnecessary evos
all the evolutions gen iv introduced were necessary and beneficial
I don't care about all that gay shit. If they had to give a Pokemon eternal "competitive standard" title they could have done much worse than Garchomp.
>thread full of people shitting on every gen in the series >only the ones negative about gen v are replied to with autistic discord conspiracies
what's the joke? are all unovagays schizophrenic american zoomers?
unovabortions were public enemy #1 usual suspects as far as thin-skinned moron gen-champions on this board for years until johtoddlers revealed themselves to be just as bad as soon as gen ii came under the microscope as well some years back
nice bullshit, disbort troon. You always use the same arguments, regurgitate the same posts, and always post with the same grammar. It is clerar as crystal that it is you, no matter how much you pose pretending you are legit. Haters of gen 5 existed, but they actually played the games, or were genwunners and never were passionate nor cared enough to keep shitting on gen 5. Conversely, you all argue the same way everytime, without having actual points and always bring gen 6.
if you're denying that unovabortions historically have been the most vocal complainers about hate they get while also largely dismissing that hate and asserting the opposite of most or all negative claims, then I really think you just weren't on this board in like 2017 give and take some years
and of course your discord cope wasn't even around back then, it was widely known and accepted how much the vast majority of the playerbase despised Gen V by their own tastes and opinions without being told what to think
now instead of playing the victims and accepting their minority status, unovabortions like you are trying to weave this narrative that actually only a small cadre of kalosperm are coordinating an anti-Gen V narrative
it's ridiculous to everyone who graduated high school before the middle of last decade
>unovabortions historically have been the most vocal complainers about hate they get
you would be too if your entire gen got dismissed over trash bag and ice cream
your comprehension of anti-unova arguments is so low most of you even believe only genwunners hated / continue to hate it this day
there will always be low iq people who fail to articulate their feelings and frustrations in full and point to convenient symbols seen to be the most egregious examples of their complaints, but by no means have the ice cream and trash bag been the only designs criticized from the region
In 2017 I dismissed and ignore every single moron complaining about gen 5. And I still do, when they are not obvious discord troonoids. Frick you. The remakes will come and you will cry forever about them, and the "evil ice cream cone", morono.
>Conversely, you all argue the same way everytime, without having actual points
every time actual points are made, unovabortions ignore them and go on repeating the same things they did before as if they weren't debunked
you know people hate the low health music
you know people hate the simplistic shapes in the designs
you know people hate the enormous blatant powercreep
you know people the inconsistent story
you know people hate the pixellated spritework
none of this is new discourse, unovabortions just pretend none of it has ever been said a million times before in the hopes antis will exhaust themselves having to spell it out every single time, so that they don't and you all "win" by default by pointing to this "lack of evidence" presented (this particular go-around)
>we're not too fond of the low health music either >subjective >who gives a shit >the story is consistent, team plasma are supposed to be obvious hypocrites. you can disagree with that decision (and i kind of do) but it's what the game presents from start to finish. >it looks fine on original hardware
He's correct newbies. You all even came up with a headcanon that Masuda retaliated against the 'backlash' against Gen 5 by making XY 'bad'. Johtoddlers came up with Joe Merrick and Pokemon Challenged conspiracy theories as well but that of a lower caliber than whatever yall cooked during 2016-2019.
Then you're pretending to be moronic. And here I was trying to give you grace.
9 months ago
Anonymous
see
In 2017 I dismissed and ignore every single moron complaining about gen 5. And I still do, when they are not obvious discord troonoids. Frick you. The remakes will come and you will cry forever about them, and the "evil ice cream cone", morono.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Unlike seething borts that only like 1 Pokemon game and otherwise enjoy dragging the entire community down to their pathetic levels, I am excited for the remakes so that they can fix the shit story.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They didn't "fix shit" because nothing needs to be fixed. But cope forever, if you must.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Nothing needs to be fixed >Cope
Borts can't even self-aware
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your idea of fixing gen 5 is for it to go away, same complain since 2017, heard it a million times. Sinnoh and hoenn suck.
>LE MOM JOKE
absolutely hilarious, cosmos. Aren't you like 18? already
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ask your mom
Your idea of fixing gen 5 is for it to go away, same complain since 2017, heard it a million times. Sinnoh and hoenn suck.
>Your idea of fixing gen 5 is for it to go away
????????????????????????????
9 months ago
Anonymous
>faking lunacy
Same old tired routine. The usual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>lunacy >Everyone who doesn't like Gen 5 doesn't want it to be better they just want it to be erased
Starting to think you all just project.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah cosmos and 32 and penis. totally not the same, it is le projection, also discord raiders aren't le real. It is a fake screenshot.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literal Discord post
Go back
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry cosmos, but you will never win.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Obsessed group of people calling others lunatics and people from their discord server
Okay uhhhh Joe Merrick
9 months ago
Anonymous
I am in no discord server. I just was there when they posted their link here in the board. They have raided for years, but feel free to pretend we are insane. I love it anyway.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I personally dont believe you, Joe but hey whatever helps you sleep
9 months ago
Anonymous
https://kemono.party/discord/server/857108118286368768
All the proof is right there, kid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>link
Sorry Jan im not moronic like you
9 months ago
Anonymous
confirmed discord troonoid. It is ok cosmos, cry more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
where are they raiding the board at, mr. discord troony?
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
>screencaps and reposts his own mentally ill ramblings
lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
Still with the same act?
This is why you say the scrapper is a no no, right cosmos? so predictable. I am twice your age, pathetic worm. You will never outskill me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i made that post, gay. and i ain't him.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hi, your post is very good.
9 months ago
Anonymous
thank you, you're too kind
9 months ago
Anonymous
You grabbed everything the discord troons do, that's why they are seething ITT.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yep
9 months ago
Anonymous
>year ago
Why are Gen V fans unable to pull actual evidence that the Unova hating Discord server still exists in 2023?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Like all the screenshots are always 1-2 years ago
I actually want to see that they still exist in 2023
Yes /vp/ Discord does exist but pretty much everyone there likes Gen 5 and hates Gen 6
Cosmos has been banned from there such a long time ago for being underaged
I still want to see where the Unova hating Discord server is
9 months ago
Anonymous
discord servers are as easy to make as giving them two or three clicks and adding a few bots
Thank god, hopefully they can make something worthwhile out of that mess of a gen. Starting by reworking the godawful music and completely rewriting that stupid edgy overcomplicated story.
The last hope for the series was actually gen 6 which could've been fixed if they put time into a definitive game and not a rush job just to get two generations on a dying console. Modern Pokemon issues that plague us today really started here.
Gimmicks, no-events, no third version, godawful remakes of previous generations, the list continues.
I do think Tera is a good gimmick because it's a one use option and it requires some thought in a battle as to who you will use it on. Mega-evolution solved the shitmon problem but gamefreak fricked it hard with ORAS by introducing extremely mediocre mega options and completely busted ones. It was a fun gimmick but the balancing was off.
the simple truth is gen v is awful and killed pokemon. the only defense unova sissies have for this is to cry about trannies or show you how bad 3ds games are
let's be honest, gen 5 gets hate because it's gen 5. genwunners hated it because it didn't fellate their nostalgiaboners, and nugenners today hate it because they missed out on the golden age. are there problems with the gen 5 games? sure. but most of the criticisms levied at it are post-hoc justifications for gut emotional responses that topple with any sort of scrutiny.
>Genwunners hate literally every gen past 2. >
they hate gen 2 as well >Hoennbabies laugh endlessly at you all's mental.
i don't give a shit what they think
No it isn't, b***h. Hoenn and Sinnoh mad eme leave the franchise, and I know you were 12 or so when they were new, because most morons here that defend them are like 25 or so.
I hope you enjoy your shit regions based on the blood and sacrifices of my old gen 1 and 2 mons, which died from the battery drying up.
we can't overpower them...they spot us so easily everytime...keep saying we aren't real and that they are mentally ill
Also post how actual posters are le discord
let's be honest, gen 7 gets hate because it's gen 7. genwunners hated it because it didn't fellate their nostalgiaboners, and nugenners today hate it because they missed out on the golden age. are there problems with the gen 7 games? sure. but most of the criticisms levied at it are post-hoc justifications for gut emotional responses that topple with any sort of scrutiny.
Gen 2
Not only failed miserably to live up to the hype, it started the trend of legendary-centric plots. Gen 3 doubled down on that by having the evil team be all about the local legend, which was repeated for about 20 years, so frick gen 3 as well
Maybe not for you, but the legendary formula was cheap and tired by gen 4. Stopped being "new pokemon" and turned into "more pokemon"
Anything past gen 2 didn't damage shit since no one cared about pokemon by then
Gen 2 >Not only failed miserably to live up to the hype,
Stop lying, you weren’t even alive back then > it started the trend of legendary-centric plots
No it don’t. Gen2 legendaries are a side thing, they don’t play into the main plot. Hell, the fact that Team Rocket’s climax involves calling Giovanni instead is some epic showdown involving Legendaries is one of the things that’s states as a flaw by modern fans.
>Sinnohfetus
Sinnoh games were such a tribute to those that came before them, saving entire shitmon lines by giving them new evolutions, that you really can't play the boomer card to shitpost against gen 4. The only people who don't like gen 4 are zoomers who prefer games that came out after it
X/Y, by transitioning to 3D. Didn't like 5th Gens usage of badly animated sprites, but at least it was mostly 2D and pixel graphics still. Transition to 3D brought with it a specific plasticy aspect I can't stand, along with gimmicks. Megas, Z-moves, Dynamax, Tera, all horrible. I did like regional Pokemon and convergents, but other than that pretty bad. Haven't paid for a Pokemon game since USUM, which were fine. 7th Gen > 6th Gen > 9th Gen > 8th Gen.
Top left. They set the stage for all the trash that followed >t. 30 yo boomer who refuses to recognize anything after #250 (yeah that's right celebi, even you were a fricking disaster)
I don't know what it is, but gen 4 is where it started going to shit for me. I think it's because it was less colorful than gen 3.
Then I didn't even finish my gen 5 save and that's where I stopped
Throwing my two cents into this burn pile. I think it was a mixture of Gen 7 and GO that “killed” Pokemon. XY was their first mainline Pokemon, and historically the first mainline game on new hardware is always rough around the edges but get better over the years. Gen 7 barely felt like an upgrade compared to XY and in some ways, a down grade. Then Go came out and caused PokeMania 2.0. Got a lot people back into pokemon and created new fans. Which is a good thing, At the same time riding off the hype of getting back into Pokemon, caused the sells of the games to also increase despite their questionable quality. Like look at the install base of the DS compared to the Switch, but why are the switch games selling so much so fast? It seems the renewed amazing sales of the games and GF still not fully mastered making 3D pokemon games caused the perfect storm to allow GF to release subpar quality games instead and letting them be in development for a proper amount of time.
But that’s just what I think, there are definitely alot of factors that “killed” pokemon so it’s hard to pinpoint the exact cause
Personally Diamond and Pearl was the first time I took a break from the series since release but came back by platinum.
However when Pokemon Go was masssssive all my friends played again for the first time since gen2, like 10-15+ people all playing PokemonGO and going to all the stops or whatever, a lot of them bought 3DS's to play the new Pokemon game which was sun and moon and I'm 90% sure like 2 of the 10ish people made it to the second gym, there's so much random bullshit in those games and it feels way more on rails than the rest of the franchise
XY can't really be put at fault for being mostly empty games since it relied mostly on older content being translated into 3D for the first time as a major selling point and the Mega Evolution mechanic, it was an experiment to see if mainline could handle the hardshift into 3D at all.
ORAS is kind of the moment where things start to get dicey, extra content being eliminated in favor of lukewarm rehashes, Emerald being turned into Delta Episode instead of the remakes being based on Emerald itself to begin with, killing the Battle Frontier and neutering Contests in favor of the newer audiences, Nu-Pokemon design began mostly here.
Gen VIII was hurt by the stupid rushed development cycle, instead of making USUM first and then using the Gen VII resources for making another interesting title or Sinnoh remakes they wasted a whole gen and it's engine on only Alola. And the worst part is that, USUM are actually great pokemon games, hardly masterpieces of course but their quality got overshadowed by releasing base Sun & Moon first and then pulling that "Ultra Changes" stunt later which in the end hardly changed anything, they're a superior version of Sun & Moon because it's LITERALLY Sun & Moon but better, not even worthy of calling them rehashes or anything like it because any substantial changes introduced hardly mattered (Ultra Recon Squad for example).
Sword & Shield took all of these problems, mixed them together and applied them on a macro-scale: Experimentally empty game for the newest chapter in the series' history with the jump to the Switch like somehow Game Freak would be unexperienced at making bigger games, promising substantial changes to the formula only to deliver worthless shit like that huge open area and worst of all, instead of poor post-game like the rest of Nu-Pokemon they actually just replaced it with PAID DLC. SWSH was like the tipping point of shittiness, even if we reach another rock-bottom nothing will come close to SWSH ever again.
XY was the point when the quality drastically dropped in every way imaginable for the first time imo. Only region without a sublegendary trio/quartet, very few new mons with really awesome designs, low overall amount of new mons, first gen with pointless battle gimmick, first games that felt rather empty and unfinished, and the story, while theoretically awesome, was presented in an awful way. And kalos was the first region where I hardly cared for any human characters. But the overall worst games are probably sword and shield. Its human characters are incredibly awful, worst set of new mons, only gen without any sarter I really love and galar itself has a lot of places I highly dislike. And the story ist not even woth being called as such. Honestly when sv maybe finally get a battle tower they will be the first new gen games i really love since black and white.
Half of the traversable map in base BW can't be traversed before defeating N, you don't even get to battle Alder in the main story. BW can't compare with B2W2 of course, but you can't call it empty.
>Half of the traversable map in base BW can't be traversed before defeating N
Both halves of the region combined are smaller than the regions that came before it. It's just not something that XY can be blamed for
9 months ago
Anonymous
People jizz over the story so much they kinda forget about the region
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they kinda forget about the region
The funniest part is that I actually like the region. I'm pretty sure the claim it's smaller than other regions is also pretty false. There's tons of nooks and crannies in the map.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Both halves of the region combined are smaller than the regions that came before it.
BW2 fixes this
Counterpoint: XY didn't need a new trio because it had all the prior ones + Mewtwo, all in 3D for the first time in the series, hardly an excuse of course but they were working under a tight schedule, just as always.
Plus there was still Volcanion and Diancie, which ended up becoming discarded story content after the fact unfortunately but still got released.
Wasn't it because they have to make like 700 3d models of pokemon which was a huge waste of time ?
There should never be every single pokemon in a single ever again. It's a waste of dev time. Focus on making a good game with ~200 pokemon total and we're good.
Pokemon game have been rushed since the beginning. Even Red & Blue, with the long as frick development cycle, were buggy messes rushed out the door by hungry and ambitious devs that tried their best to make the game work and be released before the Game Boy died. Ironically this stubborness actually revived the GB.
>1. Ruby Sapphire
Sprites lost their soul for the first time (for instance Gengar was no longer a shadow creature but a completely purple blob), abilities, bad music, bad region, first actual insuntingly terrible plot which the franchise would become known for. Also you couldn't transfer Pokémon from the previous 2 games which is unbelievably dumb. >2. XY
Removed even more soul by, instead of finally improving on the sprites, turning them into 3D models, most of which look like shit when not in motion. Started the generational gimmick thing with Megas. Dumbed down on gen 5's already ludricous handholding. Fairy type. >Pokémon Go
Self-explanatory
Alright, you're moronic, but I'm willing to fight you on this one specific point. >Also you couldn't transfer Pokémon from the previous 2 games which is unbelievably dumb.
Though there was a planned GB -> GBA link cable, if I'm not mistaken it came later in the GBA's life cycle(Ruby and Sapphire started development during the prototyping phase of the GBA,) and was ultimately cancelled. There was no physical way to move the Pokemon over.
Additionally, the way Pokemon stats were calculated was completely changed, meaning that it would've had to sacrifice SOMETHING to transfer over properly, leaving no party happy. Even the modern day rectification someone made to transfer over between the two gens isn't considered very good by many.
shitposting and schizos aside there are like 4 pokemon eras >retro era, objectively game that suffered the passage of time : red/blue/yellow/GSC >zoomer era, basically the era with the most pokefans expressing their opinion nowadays, gen3 RSE up to gen5 B2W2 >Neo-era, or 3D era, XY up to Sun and Moon >Modern pokemon, the license has it will be for the next 10 years or more, now separated from its historic portable backrground to mainline nintendo consoles, SwSh to SV
The moment where the series was ruined is entirely subjective to the individual taste. Nonetheless it is undeniably true that the mainline have became objectively bad game starting gen8 with SwSh, which are the only game that are objectively a money ripoff considering the hardware on which they were created, something that cannot be blamed on older gen due to portable limitations. SwSh are bugged filled, N64 tier graphic, unfinished games and no amount of shitty argument buzzwords can deny that fact.
However I'd say Sun and Moon despite its quality is my starting point due to my dislike of the regional forms that are all creatively bankrupt and the all around extremely weak dex, that or Pokemon GO obviously.
Pokemania's killers GSC
this
gen 2 was so bad it killed pokemania
Nothing compares to the damage Gen 2 did. It almost killed Pokemon in its entirety.
Correct. The release of GSC was so disastrous that Satoshi Tajiri was involuntarily forced to step down from directing the very series he created. He is still, to this day, forbidden from directing another Pokemon generation.
NOTHING KILLED POKEMANIA. “Pokemania” was only ever a fad, it could never have lasted forever. Why is vp so moron?
The fad died after GS and before Crystal. Coincidence? I think not!
it is surely not
well said
>Other fads usurping it
>PS2 taking over for gaming
>Oversaturation
>Suicune likely being an unappealing mascot for Crystal
>Ash's anticlimactic loss in the Pokemon League being upsetting for many people who kept up with the anime. This combined with a lack of interest in the Orange Islands arc and early Johto caused a significant decline in the casual appeal
Most of these aren't inherently Gen 2's fault. Questionable design with hindsight after later generations wouldn't have negatively impacted the sales of Crystal despite what disingenuous narratives would tell you otherwise.
there was a whole fricking year between. as a kid, a year is a long enough time to start thinking maybe you're too old for something now.
zoomers who were born after ruby and sapphire came out will never stop apologizing for it
all of these people are under 20
i'm 22. gsc is okay but deeply flawed. hgss is also okay but flawed, but in different ways.
>i'm 22.
so not alive for pokemania, thanks for the opinion. rs is what killed pokemon and it wasn't revived until the phone game 15 years later
i'm older than 20. keep coping.
Pokemania was a fad. RS revived it partly if anything.
I'm 27
G3 > G2
>hoennbab cope
still strong after all these years
Sword and Shit by far. Literally the bottom of the barrel
Imagine how great this series would be right now if not for GSC
I thought that was Ruby and Sapphire
THIS.
You thought wrong you dunce.
Only thing that killed Pokemania was the late 2000 when the Pokemon kids got too old to enjoy "kid things".
This.
FACT: if you we're a kid and played GSC, you liked it.
XY for sure, 3D was a mistake and should've been saved for spinoffs only
Pokémon Go
.
Any other answer is wrong
SM and SS did the most damage to this board
Sword And Shield actually killed the board
We were still alive and active even through Gen VII
yeah but have you seen how obsessive waifugays are with gen 7? i think that counts for something.
cumbrains have always existed and the alolan pokegirls don't even have generals now for the most part
porn threads muck up the catalogue but they don't affect threads of substance
SwShit
>BW introduced diversity
>XY introduced casualization and it's when GF didn't give a frick anymore
>SM doubled down on waifubait
>SwSh got rid of the dex
I can't think of any damage DP did, Gen 5 was where it started.
>>BW introduced diversity
What's so hard to understand?
BW was the first main-line game to take place outside Japan and it was the first main-line game with actual Black folk in it
And that's bad because?
Black folk are gross
fricking virgin, when you grow up and have sex you immediately realize that you want to frick every race imaginable. You think you wouldn't frick a black girl with a clean ass just because she's black? Or a short and petite asian girl only because she's chinese? I'm not a liberal idiot who's all in for being inclusive everywhere or stupid, useless shit like that, but I'll tell you this:
Have sex, for real
I would never frick a black girl because they are disgusting looking.
I don't want to "frick", i want to have a wife and a family, because unlike you i'm white
I am brown and I want the same thing, dumb whiteoid
delusional incel lmao
Bait.
This is accurate, but current /vp/ will never admit it because the average poster here played them as their first games
>can't find anything to criticize gen 5 for so has to resort to "diversity"
i'll take that as a concession
So BW is to blame for all the non-whites running around in Shit and Vomit?
you can blame bw for most things wrong with the series.
That’s not a flaw, cope and seethe
Like what KANTOOOOOOOO shilling? Because BW went out of its way to prevent that having the main campaign only be Gen 5 pokemon so they don’t end up with West Kanto syndrome, but Genwunners threw a tantrum because they had to wait a little while before using CHARIZARD.
Yes non-whites are a flaw, but it's not really because of gen 5. At least Lenora is a single character, and you can obviously tell that Unova is pretty much entirely white, that she's just there by herself due to a specific turn of events that only applies to her. It's not like the new games where they want you to believe regions don't have any kind of ethnic identity whatsoever and people just happen to have random shades of brown skin for no reason.
I can't really defend her being married to a white guy though.
>non-whites are a flaw
Japanese aren't white either, thank god
In anime and games they are
Self inserting as your own race when you are degrading others is peak irony.
Maybe you should ask the creators of your beloved franchise what they think about that opinion, maybe they just put riceballs and japanese-style houses for no reason after all.
non-whites have been running around throughout the franchise, Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh have non whites running around everywhere because they're fricking JAPANESE, sinnoh does have some russians though.
>XY introduced casualization
That's actually gen 5 though
Shiny lock, shiny charm, removal of special locations and events for mythicals. It was the first step towards egalitarianism
Although it's obviously become way worse in gen 6
Oh, also removal of the battle frontier obviously
>Shiny lock
No argument against this.
>Shiny charm
This was introduced in BW2 and it was a reward for completing the Nat. dex. This is like complaining that cheat codes are unlocked after beating a game.
>Special locations and events for Mythicals
Landorus, Keldeo and Victini all had unique locations, either to catch them or, in the case of Keldeo, to do something relevant to their story plot.
>battle frontier
Battle subway. Frick you and your disingenuous arguments.
>This is like complaining that cheat codes are unlocked after beating a game
Considering shiny hunting was never over when the main plot is i have all the rights to complain about that.
>Landorus, Keldeo and Victini all had unique locations, either to catch them or, in the case of Keldeo, to do something relevant to their story plot.
Landorus isn't a mythical. And i meant specifically places where you catch them. I hate the whole guy in mart just giving you a legendary for no reason thing, it's so fricking moronic.
>Battle subway
Doesn't come close to a battle frontier. It's more like a battle tower.
>Considering shiny hunting was never over when the main plot is i have all the rights to complain about that
Then don't use it. The shiny charm can literally be disabled. It's not like modern EXP share. Again, this is like complaining about the attack helicopter cheat existing as a reward for beating a GTA game. You have the option to not use it.
>Landorus isn't a mythical
Oh, that's on me. I should've double checked. I haven't played BW in fricking years, I totally forgot you could catch it in normal play with just a little trade.
>I hate the whole guy in mart just giving you a legendary for no reason thing, it's so fricking moronic.
Agreed, but Keldeo's the only offender of Gen 5 for this(in terms of introduced event Pokemon of that generation. I'm aware that there were other events which didn't have locations or battles.) Arceus is the true first offender of this problem, though there's room to argue Mew was even further back since Gen 1 and 2 didn't have a way to battle Mew, and the event was distributed in a very similar manner to modern events.
Unlike any of those delivery events though, at least Keldeo had something to do with the game itself, featuring a subplot about getting Secret Sword, which while small, is still better than what we got from the Arceus and later events.
>Doesn't even come close to a battle frontier
I disagree, but granted I don't actually care for the battle facilities that much. This may just be a case of me going "they're all the same" when there's nuance I'm missing.
>The shiny charm can literally be disabled
Doesn't matter since there's no visual difference between a shiny obtained with ot without it.
>Keldeo's the only offender of Gen 5 for this
No, Genesect and Meloetta are instances of this as well. Victini is the exception not the rule
>Arceus is the true first offender of this problem
Yes but it's due to bad decisions on GF's end while distributing stuff. The gen 4 games themselves have a whole event programmed in for it. I agree for Mew though, but it's still bad that we went back to this especially since it was never changed back after gen 5.
Also the Ruins of Alph were the best non-encounter mythical event.
>This may just be a case of me going "they're all the same" when there's nuance I'm missing
Well yeah that's definitely that if you think all battle facilities are the same
>SM doubled down on waifubait
But that's a massive improvement.
if you're a virgin and need to live out your interections with attractive females through fiction because you don't interact with any IRL then sure I can see why it's be an improvement.
Waifus and soundtracks are the only good thing this brand has left, so i am extremely grateful at SM for giving us the best female cast of the series.
XY, SW, and SV are all dogshart kino
pokémon and video games in general are worse off because of the message swsh sent
Gen 3 severed the continuity, nothing that followed ever had a chance
>Gen 3 severed the continuity, nothing that followed ever had a chance
...to be tainted by the mistakes of the past. The reason we still have Pokemon today is because of the brave actions taken in Okinawa in 1999 to start fresh with a new game for a new generation and shed the dead weight of the first games. We still use mostly the same mechanics established in 2001 today because they got it right the third time. Third time's the charm. Gen 3 rules, frick the rest, suck my dick.
Based
>they decided to do simpler shapes for the Unova dex
Because digital art tools hitting the mainstream was a fricking tragedy for traditional artists everywhere
Yes it does brodie
Blaziken is a chicken doing kung fu with its bird claw hands you moron
>Yes it does brodie
no, it doesn't
All current battle mechanics are based on Gen 4 you moron, not being able to trade with older games is not a significant gameplay mechanic.
gen 3
>Generation III enhanced the Pokémon world the most yet, bringing about the most changes to the world of Pokémon.
>A complete overhaul of the Pokémon data structure
>abilities
gen 4
>Much like how Generation II enhanced Generation I mostly by building on its features, Generation IV builds on the features introduced in Generation III.
>Moves are now designated physical or special based on the move itself, rather than its type.
Like it or not you live in the world created by Ruby and Sapphire. Now cry about it.
Platinum
Pokemon Go
3 cut day/night
4's overall just a shittier gen 3 with some soulful things added back from gen 2
5 ruined pokemon designs and regions
6 gave us ugly 3d that forever ruined the artstyle and ruined battles with moronic gimmicks
8 gave us dexcut
overall just continuous degradation after hgss
>3 cut day/night
>4's overall just a shittier gen 3 with some soulful things added back from gen 2
terrible argument
i still love sinnoh but it's true. it's slower, more hms, worse secret bases, worse contests, and the frontier has less facilities.
>and the frontier has less facilities
nothing is worse than the palace
Gen IV has more play value post first Elite 4 victory than almost every other gen
>3 cut day/night
Who actually gives a frick this doesn't change the quality of the games.
As a kid the loss of a day and night cycle was a big thing for me. The target audience isn't autistic people who care about shit like stats, it's kids who judge a game by the look and feel of it.
>4's overall just a shittier gen 3
But gen 4 games are better
So gen 7 was perfect
yes
Black/White doomed the franchise by filling it with hideous powercreep
Ruined the balance and the composition of the games and the dex
SM and there's no other choice. SM set the stone rolling for the direction the franchise would be heading towards to make TPCI the most money in the least amount of time and with the least amount of effort. If SM wasn't rushed out, Z would've been released to make Gen 6 complete and they wouldn't realize that the franchise would still sell like crazy despite the lack of effort in the games.
Everything was fine up until around Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. It was the first signs of Game Freak's and Pokemon's laziness and greed getting bad.
GameFreak has always been lazy
But nothing was as lazy as when USUM dropped. It would've been one thing if it was just one enhanced version of the game but they sold two full price version of what was essentially the exact same game as what came a year before.
You would have to share that complaint with Black and White 2 then. I like USUM and BW2, but it's not hard to point out that BW2 can be accused of many of the problems that USUM has.
>You would have to share that complaint with Black and White 2 then.
no i wouldn't you fricking moron
Okay, then how could I not? Both share a retelling of the last story at best, both introduced more features on top of everything, and both share pretty much the same structure.
The only real difference is that BW2 is that its carbon copy story is just set in the future.
Black and White 2 is completely different games then Black and White they are not just enhanced versions. Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are the exact same game but with new cutscenes.
I disagree on how you view BW2, but I don't think we're going to make any meaningful conversation on this, so I'm just gonna let you be.
because you're a fricking dipshit. BW2 continued the story of BW, showing how the region changed over two years and drastically altering how you go through Unova with the addition of new areas.
USUM staples a bunch of shit onto SM that amounts to very little while taking a big fat dump on the story, which was one of the few things SM had going for it.
if the ultra recon squad did half as much as Hugh and Colress USUM would be substantially better games.
>BW2 are not just enhanced versions
Yeah and USUM is an AU so its not just an enhanced version
Story-only gays are the fricking worst
you're right, it's not an "enhanced version" because it's worse than the originals
Just like BW2
Diamond and Pearl are literally the reason why this board exists. Thanks, obsessed spamming anon for ruining Ganker that one day.
Gen 8 was the nail on the coffin
ME
I DESTROYED IT
X and Y are where the trends that are still plagueing the series to this day started, but the shift behind the scenes really started in small ways in Gen 5 (mostly in the writing and art departments). Gen 5 is still somewhat playable though; Gen 6 is utter doodoo dogshit.
Gen V's overworld spritework and character designs are decent to great
Isn’t everything aside from the humans and most of the Pokemon 3d models in gen 5?
makes no difference to me, as long as it looks good and natural
I'm more talking about them bringing in overseas artists and the hard fricking left turn into digimon, animals with squiggly lines and stupid objects. Like Sugimori was clearly starting to run out of the juice even in Gen 3 but Gen 4 still managed to have some absolute bangers and no generation had objectively fricking bad starters before Gen 5, that shit fell off HARD and stayed fell off from 6 onwards.
Blaziken is objectively bad, it's a man in a fursuit and if it was made in gen 9 you would be crying about it nonstop.
Blaziken is one of the best designs in the entire history of the series with more layers than a Canadian's fit in Winter
gen 5 doesn't have "objectively" bad starters either
they decided to do simpler shapes for the Unova dex and admitted that they did very few drafts of each mon
the pokemon designs was better in gen 6
I would say Pokemon Home/SWSH
Gen 3 is when Pokemon's design philosophy changed and it lost its original identity. As far as the actual video games go, Gen 6 is when they started dipping in quality and Gen 8 is when they became outright bad
>As far as the actual video games go, Gen 6 is when they started dipping in quality
prove it unovagay
it is plainly evident
yeah so plainly evident you have meltdowns every time gen 5 is shown to be worse
projecting much?
It makes you seethe forever, disbort.
The actual gameplay and RPG elements were still fine in Black/White. Black/White had (another) design philosophy shift wrt to game progression and the actual Pokemon designs, but it seemed redundant to point that out when Ruby/Sapphire had always done it first. Of course, you only care about games that came out after you were born and can't even conceptualize that trends might have existed beforehand
>The actual gameplay and RPG elements were still fine in Black/White
non-existent difficulty and non-existent exploration means the "RPG elements were still fine"?
XY will suck forever douchebag, keep seething about that.
>Blaziken
>Ludicolo
>Aggron
>Cacturne
>Rayquaza
>Gardevoir
>Regice
>Dusclops
explain how these were produced from a flawed design philosophy that is inferior to Kanto's and Johto's
>blaziken
>good
correct, the best
thanks for outing yourself as a nostalgiablind moron
thanks for outing yourself as a memedriven moron
looks like shit
because this particular drawing is obviously low effort
because it's a bad design
>non-existent difficulty and non-existent exploration
but enough about XY
>but enough about XY
and BW
First, remove all those gen 4 abominations, then we can talk. Chingling stays.
what are you on about?
there's two others, one of which is certainly good
There are 6 others. You don't even know what you're talking about. Never reply to any of my posts ever again.
The consumer
Gen V by far and away. The reason so many pokemon "fans" today hold it in regard is because they were kids when it came out. Everyone who started on the older games basically stopped playing after they saw the abomination that Unova was. The low sales killed all the momentum so GF stopped trying on future games, instead of just realizing that their game sucked. Also, the massive, massive pokemon bloat that gen v introduced led to things like the national dex fiasco. Gen V probably had 2x as many mons as it needed since they had to remake stuff like zubat to fill out the dex since it was only new mons. Pretty much every negative aspect of modern pokemon can be traced directly back to gen V.
discord post
>BUT UNOVA SOLD 0.4M LESS UNITS, DON'T YOU SEE? IT IS THE END OF THE LINE
Yeah, it sold okay, but it ended millions of people's love for the series. Basically, everyone who loved gen I-IV left and pokemon stagnated because of the dead community.
>Basically, everyone who loved gen I-IV left
except for all the people who didn't
yeah that's why XY sold more than unova. totally, disbort.
I was one of them
I was already disappointed by HGSS
when I got around to playing BW because I was insisted to, for the first time I struggled to finish a Pokemon game due to sheer lack of motivation
Even XY wasn't as much of a slog for me personally
obvious disbort troon is obvious
>Even XY wasn't as much of a slog for me personally
I had a similar experience. Although XY had a lot of problems, it seemed like it had better design. There is no slog or speeches that drag on, it's just playing a game. Whatever GF did in BW just makes the games so slow and boring and feel like a chore(which does appeal to certain people - helps explain its small, but dedicated fanbase).
I was watching this dude rave about BW
And it made me realize just how much the presence of N made me hate the game
I feel like he's almost single-handedly responsible for slowing the game down with embarrassing irrelevant nonsense and I've never given a shit about him
I was astounded that the ending of the game is literally a portrait of his face and about his departure
That's because N is a shit character.
If you look at him from a rivals perspective, he falls incredibly shot - and I mean, May Brendan tier. I would add Gary to the list but at least he's played as the butthole that needs to be put down a peg and not a hero.
Barry had a point of character development at lake Acuity after losing to Jupiter
SIlver had points of character development throughout the entirety of GS, with him admitting that he's lacking something, and not being in denial of that fact.
With each defeat and with each setback, the best rivals had to re-evaluate themselves, even if they entered a stage of denial at first.
N just....doesn't. He has an idea, goes around the region being proven wrong and thus doesn't change 'muh formula' at best or straight up ignoring the pokemon he swears he can understand at worst until he attempts to go full dictator mode AND ONLY THEN is he written to think clearly about not being a moron.
BW undermined its own premise by having N be obviously wrong every step of the way, yet not even the real villain who actually doesn't give a shit about any of this (which Team Plasma's actions reflect at every step of the way) and is just generically evil.
So it wastes the player's time with a completely bullshit story with zero payoff or real challenge to the players' thinking.
>it sold bad and made the developers stop trying
>well actually it spiritually sold bad
I was 17 when Gen 5 dropped and I had played every mainline release since Gen 2, except Platinum. Even asked for a Gamecube just for the two pokemon games on there. Loved Gen 5 on release and still do. The whole “it was their first game/they were a kid” argument is moronic.
Gen 4 started the powercreep and unnecessary evos. Garchomp is STILL the best pseudo after all this time (and the most moronic one lore wise)
Garchomp is one of the few good things about gen 4 but otherwise I agree.
My problem with Garchomp is how overtuned they make it lore wise. It suppose to be a ground/Shark dragon. It could've kept the Jet motiff but keep it grounded. saying it can fly at top speeds is moronic. Dragapult does it much better.
No.
Yes.
I don't care about all that gay shit. If they had to give a Pokemon eternal "competitive standard" title they could have done much worse than Garchomp.
well you think Dragapult is good so that's that
Yes and?
>unnecessary evos
all the evolutions gen iv introduced were necessary and beneficial
Black and White were dogwater
>discord kiddies seething
>unova zoomer calling anyone else kiddie
>kalosperm calling anyone else zoomers
cope harder, obvious disbort troonoid
disbortsisters....
hideous drab towns, diversity, and the ugliest pokemon designs ever created.it's when pokemon stopped feeling like pokemon
NOOO DISBORT SISTERS, THEY HAVE SPOTTED US IMMEDIATELY AGAIN! HOW DO THEY DO IT?
SwSh
BW, XY and SM did minor gradual misteps along the way but SwSh did a critical blow on the franchise
>thread full of people shitting on every gen in the series
>only the ones negative about gen v are replied to with autistic discord conspiracies
what's the joke? are all unovagays schizophrenic american zoomers?
>>only the ones negative about gen v are replied to with autistic discord conspiracies
yeah because they're discorders
You aren't fooling anyone, disbort
unovabortions were public enemy #1 usual suspects as far as thin-skinned moron gen-champions on this board for years until johtoddlers revealed themselves to be just as bad as soon as gen ii came under the microscope as well some years back
so yeah, they are that delusionally oversensitive
nice bullshit, disbort troon. You always use the same arguments, regurgitate the same posts, and always post with the same grammar. It is clerar as crystal that it is you, no matter how much you pose pretending you are legit. Haters of gen 5 existed, but they actually played the games, or were genwunners and never were passionate nor cared enough to keep shitting on gen 5. Conversely, you all argue the same way everytime, without having actual points and always bring gen 6.
if you're denying that unovabortions historically have been the most vocal complainers about hate they get while also largely dismissing that hate and asserting the opposite of most or all negative claims, then I really think you just weren't on this board in like 2017 give and take some years
and of course your discord cope wasn't even around back then, it was widely known and accepted how much the vast majority of the playerbase despised Gen V by their own tastes and opinions without being told what to think
now instead of playing the victims and accepting their minority status, unovabortions like you are trying to weave this narrative that actually only a small cadre of kalosperm are coordinating an anti-Gen V narrative
it's ridiculous to everyone who graduated high school before the middle of last decade
>unovabortions historically have been the most vocal complainers about hate they get
you would be too if your entire gen got dismissed over trash bag and ice cream
your comprehension of anti-unova arguments is so low most of you even believe only genwunners hated / continue to hate it this day
there will always be low iq people who fail to articulate their feelings and frustrations in full and point to convenient symbols seen to be the most egregious examples of their complaints, but by no means have the ice cream and trash bag been the only designs criticized from the region
In 2017 I dismissed and ignore every single moron complaining about gen 5. And I still do, when they are not obvious discord troonoids. Frick you. The remakes will come and you will cry forever about them, and the "evil ice cream cone", morono.
TLDR: I AM A DISBORT
>Conversely, you all argue the same way everytime, without having actual points
every time actual points are made, unovabortions ignore them and go on repeating the same things they did before as if they weren't debunked
you know people hate the low health music
you know people hate the simplistic shapes in the designs
you know people hate the enormous blatant powercreep
you know people the inconsistent story
you know people hate the pixellated spritework
none of this is new discourse, unovabortions just pretend none of it has ever been said a million times before in the hopes antis will exhaust themselves having to spell it out every single time, so that they don't and you all "win" by default by pointing to this "lack of evidence" presented (this particular go-around)
>we're not too fond of the low health music either
>subjective
>who gives a shit
>the story is consistent, team plasma are supposed to be obvious hypocrites. you can disagree with that decision (and i kind of do) but it's what the game presents from start to finish.
>it looks fine on original hardware
>it looks fine on original hardware
No it doesn't.
yes it does
He's correct newbies. You all even came up with a headcanon that Masuda retaliated against the 'backlash' against Gen 5 by making XY 'bad'. Johtoddlers came up with Joe Merrick and Pokemon Challenged conspiracy theories as well but that of a lower caliber than whatever yall cooked during 2016-2019.
I was there when moot created this board, "not a newbie" newbie.
Then you're pretending to be moronic. And here I was trying to give you grace.
see
Unlike seething borts that only like 1 Pokemon game and otherwise enjoy dragging the entire community down to their pathetic levels, I am excited for the remakes so that they can fix the shit story.
They didn't "fix shit" because nothing needs to be fixed. But cope forever, if you must.
>Nothing needs to be fixed
>Cope
Borts can't even self-aware
Your idea of fixing gen 5 is for it to go away, same complain since 2017, heard it a million times. Sinnoh and hoenn suck.
>Disbort post
Opinion disregarded.
It's true. Check your moms twitter
>LE MOM JOKE
absolutely hilarious, cosmos. Aren't you like 18? already
Ask your mom
>Your idea of fixing gen 5 is for it to go away
????????????????????????????
>faking lunacy
Same old tired routine. The usual.
>lunacy
>Everyone who doesn't like Gen 5 doesn't want it to be better they just want it to be erased
Starting to think you all just project.
yeah cosmos and 32 and penis. totally not the same, it is le projection, also discord raiders aren't le real. It is a fake screenshot.
Literal Discord post
Go back
Sorry cosmos, but you will never win.
>Obsessed group of people calling others lunatics and people from their discord server
Okay uhhhh Joe Merrick
I am in no discord server. I just was there when they posted their link here in the board. They have raided for years, but feel free to pretend we are insane. I love it anyway.
I personally dont believe you, Joe but hey whatever helps you sleep
https://kemono.party/discord/server/857108118286368768
All the proof is right there, kid.
>link
Sorry Jan im not moronic like you
confirmed discord troonoid. It is ok cosmos, cry more.
where are they raiding the board at, mr. discord troony?
>screencaps and reposts his own mentally ill ramblings
lol
Still with the same act?
This is why you say the scrapper is a no no, right cosmos? so predictable. I am twice your age, pathetic worm. You will never outskill me.
i made that post, gay. and i ain't him.
Hi, your post is very good.
thank you, you're too kind
You grabbed everything the discord troons do, that's why they are seething ITT.
yep
>year ago
Why are Gen V fans unable to pull actual evidence that the Unova hating Discord server still exists in 2023?
Like all the screenshots are always 1-2 years ago
I actually want to see that they still exist in 2023
Yes /vp/ Discord does exist but pretty much everyone there likes Gen 5 and hates Gen 6
Cosmos has been banned from there such a long time ago for being underaged
I still want to see where the Unova hating Discord server is
discord servers are as easy to make as giving them two or three clicks and adding a few bots
....wut?
why are you gay?
>.t seething Disbort
Unova remakes are coming
Thank god, hopefully they can make something worthwhile out of that mess of a gen. Starting by reworking the godawful music and completely rewriting that stupid edgy overcomplicated story.
The last hope for the series was actually gen 6 which could've been fixed if they put time into a definitive game and not a rush job just to get two generations on a dying console. Modern Pokemon issues that plague us today really started here.
Gimmicks, no-events, no third version, godawful remakes of previous generations, the list continues.
Terastalization is the best gen gimmick and a good addition to competitive in its own right
I do think Tera is a good gimmick because it's a one use option and it requires some thought in a battle as to who you will use it on. Mega-evolution solved the shitmon problem but gamefreak fricked it hard with ORAS by introducing extremely mediocre mega options and completely busted ones. It was a fun gimmick but the balancing was off.
>one-use Tera isn't okay
>but one-use Mega is
bruh moment
Every pokemon can Tera
Not every pokemon can mega
and you know exactly which pokemon will mega evolve
and?
and that's not true unless they bring a shitmon like Beedrill
mega evolution is a poor substitute for an actual evolution that even takes a turn to even activate
mega evolution are cool though
Giving them to 600 bst or above mons wasn't
Easily SWSH because of Dexit
the simple truth is gen v is awful and killed pokemon. the only defense unova sissies have for this is to cry about trannies or show you how bad 3ds games are
let's be honest, gen 5 gets hate because it's gen 5. genwunners hated it because it didn't fellate their nostalgiaboners, and nugenners today hate it because they missed out on the golden age. are there problems with the gen 5 games? sure. but most of the criticisms levied at it are post-hoc justifications for gut emotional responses that topple with any sort of scrutiny.
Genwunners hate literally every gen past 2. Hoennbabies laugh endlessly at you all's mental.
You all need to be evaluated for narcissism.
>Genwunners hate literally every gen past 2. >
they hate gen 2 as well
>Hoennbabies laugh endlessly at you all's mental.
i don't give a shit what they think
ME
Gen 5 did the most damage.
Proof? Look at this thread and how mentally ill the fans of it are.
>noooo stop calling out my obvious bait and shitposting
>noooo stop making fun of me for being a mentally ill moron
>Oh sorry I am cosmos and company and I looked at myself in the mirror.
See? What is this mentally ill homosexual talking about?
pfft I have nary a clue
see
hey, there's no need to throw other regions under the bus. platinum is a good game.
see
see
see
you just lost the game
No it isn't, b***h. Hoenn and Sinnoh mad eme leave the franchise, and I know you were 12 or so when they were new, because most morons here that defend them are like 25 or so.
I hope you enjoy your shit regions based on the blood and sacrifices of my old gen 1 and 2 mons, which died from the battery drying up.
Discord false-flag.
It is not a falseflag. I have my savefiles right here.
true
Diamond and Pearl were so bad that Platinum didn't even redeem them. That's why they had to remake Gen2 to save gen4 and the series as a whole.
discord post
they're really melting down now
disbort sisters I'm getting really mad,
we can't overpower them...they spot us so easily everytime...keep saying we aren't real and that they are mentally ill
Also post how actual posters are le discord
let's be honest, gen 7 gets hate because it's gen 7. genwunners hated it because it didn't fellate their nostalgiaboners, and nugenners today hate it because they missed out on the golden age. are there problems with the gen 7 games? sure. but most of the criticisms levied at it are post-hoc justifications for gut emotional responses that topple with any sort of scrutiny.
>gen 7
>genwunners hated it because it didn't fellate their nostalgiaboners
you didn't even try
the guy who spams cynthia vore, which you must admit is mentally ill, is an admitted gen v lover
Gen 2
Not only failed miserably to live up to the hype, it started the trend of legendary-centric plots. Gen 3 doubled down on that by having the evil team be all about the local legend, which was repeated for about 20 years, so frick gen 3 as well
>legendary-centric plots
irrelevant complaint
that's never been the issue
Maybe not for you, but the legendary formula was cheap and tired by gen 4. Stopped being "new pokemon" and turned into "more pokemon"
Anything past gen 2 didn't damage shit since no one cared about pokemon by then
Gen 2
>Not only failed miserably to live up to the hype,
Stop lying, you weren’t even alive back then
> it started the trend of legendary-centric plots
No it don’t. Gen2 legendaries are a side thing, they don’t play into the main plot. Hell, the fact that Team Rocket’s climax involves calling Giovanni instead is some epic showdown involving Legendaries is one of the things that’s states as a flaw by modern fans.
the game that never was
XY
Gen 6 i'd say. Megas started the power creep and abusive KANTOOOOO pandering, and greatly expanded on the casualization started by gen 5
Diamond and Pearl killed Pokemania, not GSC.
Crap Dex, almost no fire types, terrible FPS, and garbage dub and Anime to go with it.
Gen 4 began the descent of the Pokemon franchise.
Gen 4 had the best dex and fire type is reddit
Sinnohfetus pls.
>Sinnohfetus
Sinnoh games were such a tribute to those that came before them, saving entire shitmon lines by giving them new evolutions, that you really can't play the boomer card to shitpost against gen 4. The only people who don't like gen 4 are zoomers who prefer games that came out after it
The objective answer is SWSH
When lower amounts of content were given for nothing in return
discord post
BW
The previous games let you go five feet without a roadblock and you aren't forced to interact with the moronic gym leaders like it's a soap opera
RS is when they started doing content rotation instead of content expansion /endthread
x&y by a landslide.
X/Y, by transitioning to 3D. Didn't like 5th Gens usage of badly animated sprites, but at least it was mostly 2D and pixel graphics still. Transition to 3D brought with it a specific plasticy aspect I can't stand, along with gimmicks. Megas, Z-moves, Dynamax, Tera, all horrible. I did like regional Pokemon and convergents, but other than that pretty bad. Haven't paid for a Pokemon game since USUM, which were fine. 7th Gen > 6th Gen > 9th Gen > 8th Gen.
>Game Freak employees outright state Pokémania was over before the release of Crystal
>people STILL blame it on RS
Chris-chan levels of autism
Top left. They set the stage for all the trash that followed
>t. 30 yo boomer who refuses to recognize anything after #250 (yeah that's right celebi, even you were a fricking disaster)
gen 3 for breaking away from the "catch-em-all" aspect of the game
gen 6 for 3D + gimmicks
>the US marketing slogan was an important aspect of the gameplay
frick off
You could catch them all in gen 3.
I don't know what it is, but gen 4 is where it started going to shit for me. I think it's because it was less colorful than gen 3.
Then I didn't even finish my gen 5 save and that's where I stopped
Throwing my two cents into this burn pile. I think it was a mixture of Gen 7 and GO that “killed” Pokemon. XY was their first mainline Pokemon, and historically the first mainline game on new hardware is always rough around the edges but get better over the years. Gen 7 barely felt like an upgrade compared to XY and in some ways, a down grade. Then Go came out and caused PokeMania 2.0. Got a lot people back into pokemon and created new fans. Which is a good thing, At the same time riding off the hype of getting back into Pokemon, caused the sells of the games to also increase despite their questionable quality. Like look at the install base of the DS compared to the Switch, but why are the switch games selling so much so fast? It seems the renewed amazing sales of the games and GF still not fully mastered making 3D pokemon games caused the perfect storm to allow GF to release subpar quality games instead and letting them be in development for a proper amount of time.
But that’s just what I think, there are definitely alot of factors that “killed” pokemon so it’s hard to pinpoint the exact cause
Personally Diamond and Pearl was the first time I took a break from the series since release but came back by platinum.
However when Pokemon Go was masssssive all my friends played again for the first time since gen2, like 10-15+ people all playing PokemonGO and going to all the stops or whatever, a lot of them bought 3DS's to play the new Pokemon game which was sun and moon and I'm 90% sure like 2 of the 10ish people made it to the second gym, there's so much random bullshit in those games and it feels way more on rails than the rest of the franchise
XY can't really be put at fault for being mostly empty games since it relied mostly on older content being translated into 3D for the first time as a major selling point and the Mega Evolution mechanic, it was an experiment to see if mainline could handle the hardshift into 3D at all.
ORAS is kind of the moment where things start to get dicey, extra content being eliminated in favor of lukewarm rehashes, Emerald being turned into Delta Episode instead of the remakes being based on Emerald itself to begin with, killing the Battle Frontier and neutering Contests in favor of the newer audiences, Nu-Pokemon design began mostly here.
Gen VIII was hurt by the stupid rushed development cycle, instead of making USUM first and then using the Gen VII resources for making another interesting title or Sinnoh remakes they wasted a whole gen and it's engine on only Alola. And the worst part is that, USUM are actually great pokemon games, hardly masterpieces of course but their quality got overshadowed by releasing base Sun & Moon first and then pulling that "Ultra Changes" stunt later which in the end hardly changed anything, they're a superior version of Sun & Moon because it's LITERALLY Sun & Moon but better, not even worthy of calling them rehashes or anything like it because any substantial changes introduced hardly mattered (Ultra Recon Squad for example).
Sword & Shield took all of these problems, mixed them together and applied them on a macro-scale: Experimentally empty game for the newest chapter in the series' history with the jump to the Switch like somehow Game Freak would be unexperienced at making bigger games, promising substantial changes to the formula only to deliver worthless shit like that huge open area and worst of all, instead of poor post-game like the rest of Nu-Pokemon they actually just replaced it with PAID DLC. SWSH was like the tipping point of shittiness, even if we reach another rock-bottom nothing will come close to SWSH ever again.
Ultra Recon Squad mentioned
we were fricking robbed
XY was the point when the quality drastically dropped in every way imaginable for the first time imo. Only region without a sublegendary trio/quartet, very few new mons with really awesome designs, low overall amount of new mons, first gen with pointless battle gimmick, first games that felt rather empty and unfinished, and the story, while theoretically awesome, was presented in an awful way. And kalos was the first region where I hardly cared for any human characters. But the overall worst games are probably sword and shield. Its human characters are incredibly awful, worst set of new mons, only gen without any sarter I really love and galar itself has a lot of places I highly dislike. And the story ist not even woth being called as such. Honestly when sv maybe finally get a battle tower they will be the first new gen games i really love since black and white.
>first games that felt rather empty and unfinished
This is the only thing that's actually relevant to the game's quality and it's not even true
Are you seriously trying to argue that BW and B2W2 were emptier than XY? A game that was already considered emptier the same year it released?
Emptier than XY? No, they both have about the same places to go. BW were just the first empty games released
Half of the traversable map in base BW can't be traversed before defeating N, you don't even get to battle Alder in the main story. BW can't compare with B2W2 of course, but you can't call it empty.
don't bother, he's just here to shitpost
>Half of the traversable map in base BW can't be traversed before defeating N
Both halves of the region combined are smaller than the regions that came before it. It's just not something that XY can be blamed for
People jizz over the story so much they kinda forget about the region
>they kinda forget about the region
The funniest part is that I actually like the region. I'm pretty sure the claim it's smaller than other regions is also pretty false. There's tons of nooks and crannies in the map.
>Both halves of the region combined are smaller than the regions that came before it.
BW2 fixes this
Counterpoint: XY didn't need a new trio because it had all the prior ones + Mewtwo, all in 3D for the first time in the series, hardly an excuse of course but they were working under a tight schedule, just as always.
Plus there was still Volcanion and Diancie, which ended up becoming discarded story content after the fact unfortunately but still got released.
XY because it started the trend of rushing games out of the door.
Wasn't it because they have to make like 700 3d models of pokemon which was a huge waste of time ?
There should never be every single pokemon in a single ever again. It's a waste of dev time. Focus on making a good game with ~200 pokemon total and we're good.
Pokemon game have been rushed since the beginning. Even Red & Blue, with the long as frick development cycle, were buggy messes rushed out the door by hungry and ambitious devs that tried their best to make the game work and be released before the Game Boy died. Ironically this stubborness actually revived the GB.
/vp/
XY
RS easily. Pokémon was good before and has been bad since.
>1. Ruby Sapphire
Sprites lost their soul for the first time (for instance Gengar was no longer a shadow creature but a completely purple blob), abilities, bad music, bad region, first actual insuntingly terrible plot which the franchise would become known for. Also you couldn't transfer Pokémon from the previous 2 games which is unbelievably dumb.
>2. XY
Removed even more soul by, instead of finally improving on the sprites, turning them into 3D models, most of which look like shit when not in motion. Started the generational gimmick thing with Megas. Dumbed down on gen 5's already ludricous handholding. Fairy type.
>Pokémon Go
Self-explanatory
Alright, you're moronic, but I'm willing to fight you on this one specific point.
>Also you couldn't transfer Pokémon from the previous 2 games which is unbelievably dumb.
Though there was a planned GB -> GBA link cable, if I'm not mistaken it came later in the GBA's life cycle(Ruby and Sapphire started development during the prototyping phase of the GBA,) and was ultimately cancelled. There was no physical way to move the Pokemon over.
Additionally, the way Pokemon stats were calculated was completely changed, meaning that it would've had to sacrifice SOMETHING to transfer over properly, leaving no party happy. Even the modern day rectification someone made to transfer over between the two gens isn't considered very good by many.
Gen 6 obviously, though gen 9 is thankfully slwoly but surely working on removing everything from gen 6
shitposting and schizos aside there are like 4 pokemon eras
>retro era, objectively game that suffered the passage of time : red/blue/yellow/GSC
>zoomer era, basically the era with the most pokefans expressing their opinion nowadays, gen3 RSE up to gen5 B2W2
>Neo-era, or 3D era, XY up to Sun and Moon
>Modern pokemon, the license has it will be for the next 10 years or more, now separated from its historic portable backrground to mainline nintendo consoles, SwSh to SV
The moment where the series was ruined is entirely subjective to the individual taste. Nonetheless it is undeniably true that the mainline have became objectively bad game starting gen8 with SwSh, which are the only game that are objectively a money ripoff considering the hardware on which they were created, something that cannot be blamed on older gen due to portable limitations. SwSh are bugged filled, N64 tier graphic, unfinished games and no amount of shitty argument buzzwords can deny that fact.
However I'd say Sun and Moon despite its quality is my starting point due to my dislike of the regional forms that are all creatively bankrupt and the all around extremely weak dex, that or Pokemon GO obviously.
sun and moon were the first games i played that made me think "this doesn't feel like pokemon anymore"
Ruby & Sapphire