>Ultimecia was the toughest fight on a non-cheese playthrough
From purely a battle perspective, she was the hardest to deal with. Not my fav FF by any means, but it's the most satisfying ending because that final boss rush is intense.
Out of the earlier games, I'd give it to Exdeath pretty cleanly. Golbez is cool but Zeromus fricking ruins it for him, and Kefka - while having a very good last fight - is pretty overrated.
Sephiroth is Sephiroth. He's cool but gets wanked off more than he should. His reputation supersedes his actual character.
With the more modern stuff, I I'll champion Vayne. That's maybe a bit of a controversial take, but he's a pretty well written and interesting villain, and he has the best voice acting of anyone here which helps sell it. Jecht/Sin is probably second.
>He's Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kefka rolled into one.
And he's an inferior knockoff of all three of them, much like the rest of XIV's plot being a cheap retread of prior games.
Remember when Ishikawa took over and she didn't know what to do with the Zenos and Elidibus and then Zenos was kinda just over there totally dude and Elidibus was about to wipe out the alliance and like the big bad wollord strolls in slaps zeno- elidibus' booty but nobody really remembers it was elidibus because it was an instanced 1 on 1 fight and everyone thought he was zenos because he acted like zenos then the wollord gets some interdimensional parallel worldly timeline injection in the brain falls to their feet and zen- elidibus is about to kill the fricker but the timeline is saved by the cancer headache crystal catboy by summoning the wollord over but their body was still vulnerable and elidibus had the full power and command of zenos frame along with his innate ascian abilities but because of the power of friendship (thanks ishikawa) he doesn't kill the wollord and le walks away from the battle leaving the wollords corpse exposed and ready for death and then the wollord is mended by the chirurgeons and teleports away to the crystal tower while zen- I mean elidibus just kind of chills for an entire expansion only to come back in the post game.
I liked him in stormblood and his death was great, but then they brought him back to hang out and have adventures in the background and he just became a sad meme character (like estinien and graha tia and every other fan/dev-favourite whose story had run its natural course)
By the end I just wanted him to frick off and stop interrupting the actual story.
>By the end I just wanted him to frick off and stop interrupting the actual story. >yfw Endwalkers entire postgame was dedicated to fan favs carting around a zenos extension character and all the side stories outside of tatarus adventures were tied to the fricking ancients again.
WHEN WILL IT END
MOVE ON MOVE THE FRICK ON I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FRICKING ANCIENTS AND YOU MADE THE VOID BORING HOLY FRICK
Pussies couldn't even let the twins grow up for Dawntrail.
Creatively bankrupt and pussied out. Only Papalmao is safe in his grave.
Out of the first 10 in that image, all of them are pretty good except for Kuja. I never played FFX so can't speak to Seymour's character but he definitely has the gayest visual design.
Seymour is kind of gay and definitely a lesser villain than the main baddie in Sin in terms of importance and writing quality. He's a dark reflection of the deuteragonist and more represents the secondary themes of the game.
Longer horns on the helmet, no skirt and beeg sword help him out. He's also more angular nowadays.
Golbez' distinctness comes from his pauldrons & helmet being shorter but exdeath is the fusion babby, wizard with sword and dagger, chaos' pauldrons and a fusion helmet. At least they lightened up his palette to try and make him stand out more.
The same thing happens in the PSX & PS2 era too with design traits making carrying over. Kuja's distinct but they've genericed him up in that render; his amano art is still beautiful.
Chaos is very distinct, that anon is moronic. Exdeath from V is the guy in the top right and he is somewhat visually similar to Golbez, the villain from IV, but not chaos.
golbez is the coolest looking hands down, even if he likes to keep them up
but vayne solidor is the best villain as far as story goes. tried to unite the countries he had conquered into a tech utopia. by no means a did nothing wrong guy, but when he realized that the downtrodden people would never peacefully accept him as their leader he became a villain so that he could offer himself as a scapegoat so his younger brother could inherit the throne and rule a revenge hungry nation in peace as the slayer of the previous conqueror. ff12's story was insanely kino and the gameplay essentially being a single player ff11 style combat system was great too. gets way more hate than it deserves.
I thought FFXII's story was incredibly halfbaked and felt like the last 3rd of it was removed. Gameplay was nice and I really enjoyed dungeon crawling in it.
it is, but there are similarities. if i were to try and draw allusions to any other ff combat system 11 is the only one that feels relevant. i think of 12s combat as about how 11s would feel if they took another stab at their mmo macro system turning it into gambits so that you can control your entire mmo party easily all at once or stop and have more granular control where needed.
i do agree with
I thought FFXII's story was incredibly halfbaked and felt like the last 3rd of it was removed. Gameplay was nice and I really enjoyed dungeon crawling in it.
on the part about the game feeling a bit cut short. even with all those hunts and optional dungeons and areas it still feels a bit like some story elements didnt get the time they should have had. one i always think of is that gang of bangaas you fight early on and you just run away. to my memory you never encounter them again. kinda felt like it was setting them up to be fought again much later when you could take them.
I liked vayne as a villain, but I hated how they turned him into a freakish magicite hulk for the final battle. It compromised the grounded nature of the political drama in my opinion.
Emperor Mateus from II needs more love. Frick deep characterizations or motivations. Sometimes, you just gotta declare that you're gonna be the evil overlord for shits and giggles and you're gonna do a great job at it while being fabulous as hell.
Also, >Gets killed by the heroes like 80% into the game >Comes back shortly after for the grand finale because after your soul got condemned to hell, you fricking took over hell and have come back as the Overlord of hell to take over the mortal world
There's something real cartoonish about this sequence of events that I can't help but love it.
back shortly after for the grand finale because after your soul got condemned to hell, you fricking took over hell and have come back as the Overlord of hell to take over the mortal world
That's just GBA bonus content, wasn't it?
No, that's the original scenario. The GBA bonus quest Rebirth of Souls claims that upon death the Emperor split into two. His dark side went to Hell and conquered it, leading to the final confrontation between Firion and friends in the original scenario. Meanwhile, his light side went to Purgatory, where it attempted to mount an invasion of Heaven, but the fallen allies led by Minwu put a stop to that nonsense. At the end of the day, even his supposed light side was still an evil, self-absorbed prick.
Emperor Mateus in FFII >pointless campaign of death and destruction >brainwashes your bro Leon and turns him into the dark knight >gradually destroys every town in the game >is defeated by party but ends up ruling Hell and creating a portal to earth to unleash more destruction >kills Ricard, the last dragoon in existence >party must descend to the depths of hell to face him in final battle
Sin
Not a Villain.
Ultimecia was the toughest fight on a non-cheese playthrough
And the boobiest
You know it occurs to me they haven't done a woman big bad since.
That woman with the boobs in VII shall suffice
>Ultimecia was the toughest fight on a non-cheese playthrough
From purely a battle perspective, she was the hardest to deal with. Not my fav FF by any means, but it's the most satisfying ending because that final boss rush is intense.
Out of the earlier games, I'd give it to Exdeath pretty cleanly. Golbez is cool but Zeromus fricking ruins it for him, and Kefka - while having a very good last fight - is pretty overrated.
Sephiroth is Sephiroth. He's cool but gets wanked off more than he should. His reputation supersedes his actual character.
With the more modern stuff, I I'll champion Vayne. That's maybe a bit of a controversial take, but he's a pretty well written and interesting villain, and he has the best voice acting of anyone here which helps sell it. Jecht/Sin is probably second.
In terms of spin-offs / side games, I like Caius
>Kefka - while having a very good last fight - is pretty overrated.
elaborate
What is there to elaborate on?
>Exdeath
Emo tree
>Vayne
Not a villain
>Gaius
Should have auditioned for Guns'n'Roses instead
Zenos is better in terms of character, achievement and significance to the story he featured in and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
He's Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kefka rolled into one.
>He's Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kefka rolled into one.
And he's an inferior knockoff of all three of them, much like the rest of XIV's plot being a cheap retread of prior games.
You need to get hit by a bus.
Remember when Ishikawa took over and she didn't know what to do with the Zenos and Elidibus and then Zenos was kinda just over there totally dude and Elidibus was about to wipe out the alliance and like the big bad wollord strolls in slaps zeno- elidibus' booty but nobody really remembers it was elidibus because it was an instanced 1 on 1 fight and everyone thought he was zenos because he acted like zenos then the wollord gets some interdimensional parallel worldly timeline injection in the brain falls to their feet and zen- elidibus is about to kill the fricker but the timeline is saved by the cancer headache crystal catboy by summoning the wollord over but their body was still vulnerable and elidibus had the full power and command of zenos frame along with his innate ascian abilities but because of the power of friendship (thanks ishikawa) he doesn't kill the wollord and le walks away from the battle leaving the wollords corpse exposed and ready for death and then the wollord is mended by the chirurgeons and teleports away to the crystal tower while zen- I mean elidibus just kind of chills for an entire expansion only to come back in the post game.
Yeah. Me too.
I liked him in stormblood and his death was great, but then they brought him back to hang out and have adventures in the background and he just became a sad meme character (like estinien and graha tia and every other fan/dev-favourite whose story had run its natural course)
By the end I just wanted him to frick off and stop interrupting the actual story.
>By the end I just wanted him to frick off and stop interrupting the actual story.
>yfw Endwalkers entire postgame was dedicated to fan favs carting around a zenos extension character and all the side stories outside of tatarus adventures were tied to the fricking ancients again.
WHEN WILL IT END
MOVE ON MOVE THE FRICK ON I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FRICKING ANCIENTS AND YOU MADE THE VOID BORING HOLY FRICK
Pussies couldn't even let the twins grow up for Dawntrail.
Creatively bankrupt and pussied out. Only Papalmao is safe in his grave.
Kuja because he's the one I want to frick the most.
that's a little gay anon
Raised my suspicions too
pic related was the only guy that felt remotely intimidating.
If we're talking main villains, Kuja's the most entertaining. If we're talking villains/antagonists in general, Girugamesh is the best.
Out of the first 10 in that image, all of them are pretty good except for Kuja. I never played FFX so can't speak to Seymour's character but he definitely has the gayest visual design.
Seymour is kind of gay and definitely a lesser villain than the main baddie in Sin in terms of importance and writing quality. He's a dark reflection of the deuteragonist and more represents the secondary themes of the game.
rinoa
CHAOS
Ultimecia
Sephiroth
Sin
Kefka
I don't know who most of these are but I really dig the look of top right. Who is that?
FF V boss: Exdeath
....brother....that's *squints eyes* Chaos thre- I mean Golbez two from the hit game Final Fantasy Five.
I always thought Chaos was more distinct but maybe it is just bias tbh.
Longer horns on the helmet, no skirt and beeg sword help him out. He's also more angular nowadays.
Golbez' distinctness comes from his pauldrons & helmet being shorter but exdeath is the fusion babby, wizard with sword and dagger, chaos' pauldrons and a fusion helmet. At least they lightened up his palette to try and make him stand out more.
The same thing happens in the PSX & PS2 era too with design traits making carrying over. Kuja's distinct but they've genericed him up in that render; his amano art is still beautiful.
Chaos is very distinct, that anon is moronic. Exdeath from V is the guy in the top right and he is somewhat visually similar to Golbez, the villain from IV, but not chaos.
Thanks autism anon
It's Garland/Chaos for me. Exdeath is okay too.
>MMO-gays ruin the thread (again)
The curse of XI lingers on
You gonna piss yourself again? Gonna cry?
t.
golbez is the coolest looking hands down, even if he likes to keep them up
but vayne solidor is the best villain as far as story goes. tried to unite the countries he had conquered into a tech utopia. by no means a did nothing wrong guy, but when he realized that the downtrodden people would never peacefully accept him as their leader he became a villain so that he could offer himself as a scapegoat so his younger brother could inherit the throne and rule a revenge hungry nation in peace as the slayer of the previous conqueror. ff12's story was insanely kino and the gameplay essentially being a single player ff11 style combat system was great too. gets way more hate than it deserves.
I thought FFXII's story was incredibly halfbaked and felt like the last 3rd of it was removed. Gameplay was nice and I really enjoyed dungeon crawling in it.
I love both XI and XII to bits but their gameplay is significantly different.
it is, but there are similarities. if i were to try and draw allusions to any other ff combat system 11 is the only one that feels relevant. i think of 12s combat as about how 11s would feel if they took another stab at their mmo macro system turning it into gambits so that you can control your entire mmo party easily all at once or stop and have more granular control where needed.
i do agree with
on the part about the game feeling a bit cut short. even with all those hunts and optional dungeons and areas it still feels a bit like some story elements didnt get the time they should have had. one i always think of is that gang of bangaas you fight early on and you just run away. to my memory you never encounter them again. kinda felt like it was setting them up to be fought again much later when you could take them.
they show up in a hunt
shit i never did do ALL the hunts, i did do most though. i didnt realize until afterward i missed a few
I liked vayne as a villain, but I hated how they turned him into a freakish magicite hulk for the final battle. It compromised the grounded nature of the political drama in my opinion.
Emperor Mateus from II needs more love. Frick deep characterizations or motivations. Sometimes, you just gotta declare that you're gonna be the evil overlord for shits and giggles and you're gonna do a great job at it while being fabulous as hell.
Also,
>Gets killed by the heroes like 80% into the game
>Comes back shortly after for the grand finale because after your soul got condemned to hell, you fricking took over hell and have come back as the Overlord of hell to take over the mortal world
There's something real cartoonish about this sequence of events that I can't help but love it.
back shortly after for the grand finale because after your soul got condemned to hell, you fricking took over hell and have come back as the Overlord of hell to take over the mortal world
That's just GBA bonus content, wasn't it?
No, that's the original scenario. The GBA bonus quest Rebirth of Souls claims that upon death the Emperor split into two. His dark side went to Hell and conquered it, leading to the final confrontation between Firion and friends in the original scenario. Meanwhile, his light side went to Purgatory, where it attempted to mount an invasion of Heaven, but the fallen allies led by Minwu put a stop to that nonsense. At the end of the day, even his supposed light side was still an evil, self-absorbed prick.
me
Emperor Mateus in FFII
>pointless campaign of death and destruction
>brainwashes your bro Leon and turns him into the dark knight
>gradually destroys every town in the game
>is defeated by party but ends up ruling Hell and creating a portal to earth to unleash more destruction
>kills Ricard, the last dragoon in existence
>party must descend to the depths of hell to face him in final battle