Kojima >can't write for shit >plots are nonsensical and moronic >occasionally experimental >almost always incompetent >views themselves as an auteur >bloated product in the worst ways possible
There's only two real difference are their fanbases. Breen fans know he's shit and embrace it. Kojimbo fans legit think he's hot shit.
No one.
David Cage and Hideo Kojima are talentless and their games are boring. But more relevantly, their both generic in every possible way.
Neil Breen is talentless, but totally one of a kind.
Don't pool Kojima with David Cage, imbecile. You have no real argument.
Kojima even admits that there's no hidden meaning behind his games, You homosexuals read too much into them. That's on YOU. That just makes you tryhard pretentious homosexuals who have to make up for your inability to get laid by acting "deep" to make it seem like you have a personality.
Kojima >can't write for shit >plots are nonsensical and moronic >occasionally experimental >almost always incompetent >views themselves as an auteur >bloated product in the worst ways possible
There's only two real difference are their fanbases. Breen fans know he's shit and embrace it. Kojimbo fans legit think he's hot shit.
Yoko Taro is one of those guys who acts like a fool but is actually insightful.
I dont know if anyone in the industry is as obliviously pretentious as Neil while having no budget to work with. All these pretentious hacks like Kojima and Molyneux and Cage keep getting blank checks and talented studios.
Kojima >can't write for shit >plots are nonsensical and moronic >occasionally experimental >almost always incompetent >views themselves as an auteur >bloated product in the worst ways possible
There's only two real difference are their fanbases. Breen fans know he's shit and embrace it. Kojimbo fans legit think he's hot shit.
Wrong job. For a vidya equivalent you'd need some delusional indie dev that just keeps making games. Someone like a Jason Welge but less of a scam artist.
The problem is SWERY makes unironically good games. Yes they're a little silly and the gameplay is often jank but at no point do they ever reach "so bad it's good" territory like Neil Breen movies or The Room, he writes genuinely good characters that make you care about them.
Do you guys ever wonder how the frick David Cage still has a job? Surely none of his games have been successful enough to justify the costs? He's rarely talked about in a positive light and his games have made very little cultural or design impact.
He still has a job because he owns the studio.
And yes, they make money. Normies eat his slop up, Heavy Rain and Detroit are actually considered good games by these people.
Vidya is not acessible and developed enough as a medium to have a Neil Breen, one guy with massive delusions of his own competence putting himself out there with whatever money he can scrounge and getting an ironic fanbase which see his work as comedy, and a slightly less ironic fanbase that consider him a misunderstood genius.
And I think there never will be, because there's no such thing as a game that's so bad it's good. Games are interactive; a bad game is usually just a chore to play, not an enjoyable experience of hilarious lack of skill.
If a guy who doesn't know how to make a game makes a game, it's usually just an unplayable piece of shit.
I'm not saying that makes them good, just that people will ironically appreciate a game, if only for laughs, based on it being shit. You see TONS of that on youtube in particular.
>Vidya is not acessible and developed enough as a medium to have a Neil Breen, one guy with massive delusions of his own competence putting himself out there with whatever money he can scrounge and getting an ironic fanbase which see his work as comedy, and a slightly less ironic fanbase that consider him a misunderstood genius.
Reading through your post and I just realized it, you're describing YIIK.
YIIK is actually a pretty good comparison to Breen
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I'm genuinely YIIKing out after reading this
The minimum amount of time and effort involved in making a video game vs making a movie are just too massive. A movie at the quality that Breen makes could reasonably be made in a week. Since breen is incompetent he probably takes several months but realistically the man-hours aren't that much between the writing, filming and the low-quality editing. He doesn't even use sets or props, just films at community college campuses and his house.
By contrast, even a crappy video game like YIIK would take over a year. Coding, debugging, making art, designing levels, etc all take much more time than just filming a scene and going with the first take.
Another thing is that the minimum amount of competence is also much different between film and games. Literally, all you need to be able to do to make a movie is be able to hit the record button on your camera. No matter how shitty you are, you will still end up with a video file that just works in the end, even if it's full of incomprehensible nonsense. With video games, if someone is truly incompetent, the .exe file will not run, crash, and be full of other bugs.
The end result of all this is that a talentless fool film maker will always be able to finish making a film if they stick to it, but a talentless fool game maker will likely never have a product that even functions at all.
In conclusion, I don't think someone ACTUALLY as bad as Niel Breen exists in vidya, because they would literally never produce a functioning game. YIIK is as close as we'll get.
Every word you type just betrays your complete lack of awareness of the genre that you think
YIIK remotely represents the bottom of the barrel in terms of video game and kusoge culture as a whole. Please don't talk about things you clearly don't know anything about with this much confidence. Anonymous Agony isn't even that obscure and it makes YIIK look like Planescape: Torment.
Someone could make a video game in one day for a game jam, sure. I myself have made small games for newgrounds before in an afternoon.
I don't think these are equivalent to Niel Breen either, because pushing out a game that quickly requires a high level of competence and skill. And besides, those are just hobby projects, not actual commercial products. They're more akin to someone making a short home movie than a Niel Breen production.
>All of their games are a jank fest and generally low quality >Basically the same plot every single time, just the setting changes >Still just keep trucking away regardless of what anyone says
>indie games good just because mmmkay
sometimes I watch these games for fun just to see that nothing changes
I laugh everytime
how can someone actually fund this trash?
>indie games good just because mmmkay
sometimes I watch these games for fun just to see that nothing changes
I laugh everytime
how can someone actually fund this trash?
as someone who's trying to make a little simulation framework that's storytelling compatible and want to try chilla's episodic format, what would you improve? I've only seen vids but it seems like he focuses on one little game loop and then putting you in VN tier scenes where you don't really have much of a choice but to engage with whatever is happening the way they expect?
Chilla, like breen always done things the exact same thing everytime.
Its always: >Some creepy guy is being creepy for 30 minutes >Creepy guy creeps on you directly, run or hide >Repeat this loop 2 more times >Game ends
The writing is also very hamfisted and over the top, but without the impact to back it up, same as breen.
There is, they are very popular for more of less the same reasons.
I will say that puppet combo games are actually much worse in terms of bugs and janks, but they're at least self aware. What makes Chilla like Breen is they aren't.
>tfw your VA's voice cracks in the most dramatic scene of the game but he's paid by line reads so that's the take you're gonna use
This is some Ed Wood shit, man. >Cut! Print! We're moving on!
In order to answer this question, we need to figure out who Neil Breen is? >Indie director, rich/well-off from separate industry (real estate or architect for those wondering) >Lofty themes and concepts >His talent and budget can't match his ambitions, amateur >thinks he's a misunderstood genius >self-inserts >despite criticism, he continues making his passion projects >seems to have decent business relations with his crew that or NDAs
anything else I'm missing? You don't have to go too detailed. That said, I'm leaning more towards SWERY.
Todd Howard is more like Zack Snyder. A talentless hack who's wasted 9 digit budgets because he was erroneously credited for the success of past projects that were successful in spite of him rather than because of him.
David Cage, for sure, he makes things that are supposed to be serious, unintentionally funny (Press X to Shaun), just like Breen, Kojima is the Jar Jar Abrams of gaming: style over substance and moronic callbacks to his own artistic preferences all the fricking time yet he is given MILLIONS to make flashy garbo like Death Stranding
david cage
No one.
David Cage and Hideo Kojima are talentless and their games are boring. But more relevantly, their both generic in every possible way.
Neil Breen is talentless, but totally one of a kind.
You're fricking stupid shut up get your dick out of your ass here's a you.
Kojima even admits that there's no hidden meaning behind his games, You homosexuals read too much into them. That's on YOU. That just makes you tryhard pretentious homosexuals who have to make up for your inability to get laid by acting "deep" to make it seem like you have a personality.
Don't pool Kojima with David Cage, imbecile. You have no real argument.
David Cage and Kojimbo are similar to Neil Breen in a sense that most of their projects are very obviously ego-driven.
This, except there are many idiots that think David Cage games are not moronic.
La Creatividad and David Cage
Kojima
>can't write for shit
>plots are nonsensical and moronic
>occasionally experimental
>almost always incompetent
>views themselves as an auteur
>bloated product in the worst ways possible
There's only two real difference are their fanbases. Breen fans know he's shit and embrace it. Kojimbo fans legit think he's hot shit.
Kojima's production values are too high though, it's gotta be David Cage.
For as much as people give kojima shit, death stranding is way too competently made and I was surprised I enjoyed it as much as I did.
MDickie
the correct answer right here
MDickie did make the best wrestling game made to date though
Yoko Taro
Yoko Taro is one of those guys who acts like a fool but is actually insightful.
I dont know if anyone in the industry is as obliviously pretentious as Neil while having no budget to work with. All these pretentious hacks like Kojima and Molyneux and Cage keep getting blank checks and talented studios.
>All these pretentious hacks like Kojima and Molyneux and Cage keep getting blank checks and talented studios.
Weirdest phenomenon in gaming.
Peter Molyneaux
That's mean. Peter did make some genuine classics back in the day.
>all these AAA backed hacks
it's SWERY
This.
>tfw never getting more D4 and ended up with The Good Life instead
this is the only answer
go back to sucking naughty dog dick homosexual
Wrong job. For a vidya equivalent you'd need some delusional indie dev that just keeps making games. Someone like a Jason Welge but less of a scam artist.
That's anime David Lynch.
Has to be SWERY since his grand ambitions/internal thought process are too lofty for his meager budgets, but makes do with it anyways.
The problem is SWERY makes unironically good games. Yes they're a little silly and the gameplay is often jank but at no point do they ever reach "so bad it's good" territory like Neil Breen movies or The Room, he writes genuinely good characters that make you care about them.
>The problem is SWERY makes unironically good games.
No he fricking doesn't.
Bennett Foddy
unironically david cage
Gilson B. Pontes
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm10414921/bio/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Hashino
Do you guys ever wonder how the frick David Cage still has a job? Surely none of his games have been successful enough to justify the costs? He's rarely talked about in a positive light and his games have made very little cultural or design impact.
They definitely made money. They're absolute normie bait.
I do think being compared to David Cage is kind of insulting to Neil Breen.
He still has a job because he owns the studio.
And yes, they make money. Normies eat his slop up, Heavy Rain and Detroit are actually considered good games by these people.
heavy rain was kino
cope
Vidya is not acessible and developed enough as a medium to have a Neil Breen, one guy with massive delusions of his own competence putting himself out there with whatever money he can scrounge and getting an ironic fanbase which see his work as comedy, and a slightly less ironic fanbase that consider him a misunderstood genius.
And I think there never will be, because there's no such thing as a game that's so bad it's good. Games are interactive; a bad game is usually just a chore to play, not an enjoyable experience of hilarious lack of skill.
If a guy who doesn't know how to make a game makes a game, it's usually just an unplayable piece of shit.
>there's no such thing as a game that's so bad it's good
This is not even remotely close to being true. There are COUNTLESS games that gain cult followings based on being shit.
Such as?
Only thing I can think of is Nier Automata, and almost nobody agrees with me that that game is crap.
I'm not saying that makes them good, just that people will ironically appreciate a game, if only for laughs, based on it being shit. You see TONS of that on youtube in particular.
cruelty squad is founded on the game looking like shit and it's got a cult following
Uncultured dipshit. Never even heard of kusoge.
>Vidya is not acessible and developed enough as a medium to have a Neil Breen, one guy with massive delusions of his own competence putting himself out there with whatever money he can scrounge and getting an ironic fanbase which see his work as comedy, and a slightly less ironic fanbase that consider him a misunderstood genius.
Reading through your post and I just realized it, you're describing YIIK.
YIIK is actually a pretty good comparison to Breen
I'm genuinely YIIKing out after reading this
The minimum amount of time and effort involved in making a video game vs making a movie are just too massive. A movie at the quality that Breen makes could reasonably be made in a week. Since breen is incompetent he probably takes several months but realistically the man-hours aren't that much between the writing, filming and the low-quality editing. He doesn't even use sets or props, just films at community college campuses and his house.
By contrast, even a crappy video game like YIIK would take over a year. Coding, debugging, making art, designing levels, etc all take much more time than just filming a scene and going with the first take.
Another thing is that the minimum amount of competence is also much different between film and games. Literally, all you need to be able to do to make a movie is be able to hit the record button on your camera. No matter how shitty you are, you will still end up with a video file that just works in the end, even if it's full of incomprehensible nonsense. With video games, if someone is truly incompetent, the .exe file will not run, crash, and be full of other bugs.
The end result of all this is that a talentless fool film maker will always be able to finish making a film if they stick to it, but a talentless fool game maker will likely never have a product that even functions at all.
In conclusion, I don't think someone ACTUALLY as bad as Niel Breen exists in vidya, because they would literally never produce a functioning game. YIIK is as close as we'll get.
Every word you type just betrays your complete lack of awareness of the genre that you think
YIIK remotely represents the bottom of the barrel in terms of video game and kusoge culture as a whole. Please don't talk about things you clearly don't know anything about with this much confidence. Anonymous Agony isn't even that obscure and it makes YIIK look like Planescape: Torment.
Someone could make a video game in one day for a game jam, sure. I myself have made small games for newgrounds before in an afternoon.
I don't think these are equivalent to Niel Breen either, because pushing out a game that quickly requires a high level of competence and skill. And besides, those are just hobby projects, not actual commercial products. They're more akin to someone making a short home movie than a Niel Breen production.
what about RPG Maker?
Adam Bohn (Artix), it's not even close.
>yes adventurequest is still around
>yes he still updates his game
Aren't you forgetting someone?
>Ye ye: ye
>Endo-skee-le-ton: checked
>Clara: fricked
Yup, it's smoothie time.
>All of their games are a jank fest and generally low quality
>Basically the same plot every single time, just the setting changes
>Still just keep trucking away regardless of what anyone says
>indie games good just because mmmkay
sometimes I watch these games for fun just to see that nothing changes
I laugh everytime
how can someone actually fund this trash?
Like the OP asked, they have the same appeal as neil breen.
as someone who's trying to make a little simulation framework that's storytelling compatible and want to try chilla's episodic format, what would you improve? I've only seen vids but it seems like he focuses on one little game loop and then putting you in VN tier scenes where you don't really have much of a choice but to engage with whatever is happening the way they expect?
Chilla, like breen always done things the exact same thing everytime.
Its always:
>Some creepy guy is being creepy for 30 minutes
>Creepy guy creeps on you directly, run or hide
>Repeat this loop 2 more times
>Game ends
The writing is also very hamfisted and over the top, but without the impact to back it up, same as breen.
damn I didn't know there was a jap puppet combo
There is, they are very popular for more of less the same reasons.
I will say that puppet combo games are actually much worse in terms of bugs and janks, but they're at least self aware. What makes Chilla like Breen is they aren't.
Toby Fox
What's the vidja equivalent to this scene?
?feature=shared
>tfw your VA's voice cracks in the most dramatic scene of the game but he's paid by line reads so that's the take you're gonna use
This is some Ed Wood shit, man.
>Cut! Print! We're moving on!
https://twitter.com/ChrystianMarte/status/1373877768040108034
This is the only decent redub I've heard of the scene
as much as I love DMC
>I WANT TO FILL YOUR DARK SOUL WITH LIIIIIIIGHT!
I love MGS, but Otacon crying over Naomi in MGS4 probably fits this
Terry A. Davis
Terry Davis felt way more lolcow tier than neil breen, idk how else to describe it.
How much would it cost to commission Neil Breen to recite A.M.'s Hate Monologue from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?
In order to answer this question, we need to figure out who Neil Breen is?
>Indie director, rich/well-off from separate industry (real estate or architect for those wondering)
>Lofty themes and concepts
>His talent and budget can't match his ambitions, amateur
>thinks he's a misunderstood genius
>self-inserts
>despite criticism, he continues making his passion projects
>seems to have decent business relations with his crew that or NDAs
anything else I'm missing? You don't have to go too detailed. That said, I'm leaning more towards SWERY.
The naive answer would be yanderedev
Neil breen actually releases things, and isn't a loser, just weird.
yoko taro
Todd Howard
Todd Howard is more like Zack Snyder. A talentless hack who's wasted 9 digit budgets because he was erroneously credited for the success of past projects that were successful in spite of him rather than because of him.
David Cage, for sure, he makes things that are supposed to be serious, unintentionally funny (Press X to Shaun), just like Breen, Kojima is the Jar Jar Abrams of gaming: style over substance and moronic callbacks to his own artistic preferences all the fricking time yet he is given MILLIONS to make flashy garbo like Death Stranding
Cage's games have too high of a production behind it to truly match Breen unfortunately, despite meeting every other criteria.