>moveset pulled out of someone's ass that only takes material from like, two of his actual games >shitty trophies/spirits >least amount of spirits in ultimate >most of his music is either a remix of the start theme or isn't even from his own franchise >shitty alts (besides oven mitts) >no pac-man world material >low tier in competitive play >worst grab in the game >pac-land
>>low tier in competitive play
grab in the game
Both of these were true in Smash 4 but it's the complete opposite in Ultimate. Pac-Man is an easy high tier, and his grab is among the best in the game
>moveset pulled out of two games
So? Lots of other characters have moveset from just one game. Most of them, in fact.
trophies/spirits
amount of spirits in ultimate
Nobody gives a frick about this after finishing World of Light and I say that as someone that was grinding hard and had every spirit when I played, on top of them being max level. >music
Never cared but why not. >shitty alts
Can't comment since I don't play the character. >low tier in competitive
have a nice day maybe? I bet you don't even competitive in the first place. >pac-land
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Pac-Land is literally one of, if not, the most hated stage in Smash Bros history. It's gotten to the point people actually say the game itself was bad and just use the fact Smash bothered to represent it as an excuse to shit on it.
Super Mario Bros 1 wouldn't even exist without it. People really just like to parade an agenda that SMB1 had to "invent" platformers, or just "good platformers" in general.
Even shit like Pitfall never gets the appreciation it deserves with gaming historians.
>Pac-Land
Oh, you were talking about that stage.
Yeah, I found it fun once or twice but I agree it's shit.
Then again, can't expect every stage for every character to be 10/10. Only stages I remember really enjoying from a character would be Olimar's, Captain Falco's and a handful of others because it was funny to frick around on them in Brawl with friends.
>moveset pulled out of two games
So? Lots of other characters have moveset from just one game. Most of them, in fact.
trophies/spirits
amount of spirits in ultimate
Nobody gives a frick about this after finishing World of Light and I say that as someone that was grinding hard and had every spirit when I played, on top of them being max level. >music
Never cared but why not. >shitty alts
Can't comment since I don't play the character. >low tier in competitive
have a nice day maybe? I bet you don't even competitive in the first place. >pac-land
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It shows how little they gave a damn when it came to representing him as a proper franchise. The trophies in Smash 4 for him were just as bad, almost all of them being literal 2D sprite rips from the original arcade game.
This is the only part of Pac Man that is lacking. Him serving as a representative of classic Namco works fine with the music remixes. But they should have extended that to the spirits. Put in spirits of Druaga, Valkyrie, Bravoman, etc
Not sure why they thought spirits had to be purely Pac-Man
This is what pisses me off the most. If they were going to make him represent Namco as a whole, I don't get why they couldn't give other proper Namco characters different assists or trophies. It's especially jarring considering fricking Dig Dug POOKAS are in Smash Run on Smash 4 3DS.
Young link and took link could be a bit more different and have items unique to them, samus is still pretty shitty, sonic is still nothing but spin dashes
>Young link and took link could be a bit more different and have items unique to them, samus is still pretty shitty, sonic is still nothing but spin dashes
I'm still butthurt at Nintendo. They had zero issues reworking Falco, Bowser, and Pichu, they even decloned Ganondorf from Falcon in Melee onward. Every other character who needs a rework doesn't get shit, except for Pit who got reworked twice and still hasn't properly represent his games since Brawl.
The worst that could be said about Pacman's representation is that 4's console release got the shittier stage and Ultimate as well. Others have it much worse
most actuallu have awful representation in terms of stages
Mario >Rainbow Road was cut for whatever fricking reason >and it was just a port of the MK7 RR instead if making a special one for Smash Bros >they made a better RR in the Rosalina Trailer in 4 >5 Smash Games not a single proper Bowser Castle Stage >not a single Mario Party stage with Peach Cake being an obvious Peach homestage
DK >not a single minecart madness stage >cut the DKCR stage for a gimmick no one gives a frick about >no sunset shore
Sonic >gets le first level from a game no one cares about >no studiopolis/casino night zone >no chemical plant >no city escape
this first area as a stage shit is so corny and lazy that ruins a lot of representations when a lot of games have obvious iconic areas
>More unique moves as a fricking AT >could've made the Phazon Spikes a down smash >could've made her chain gun a B >could've made her homing orbs a down or side B >doesn't have her monster voice clips when is just grunts and growls >has a frick ton of source materials to work with in decloning
meanwhile Isabelle a non-combatant gets the semiclone treatment with completely made up shit, nothing against her but but if they could've done it for her, they could've done it for Dark Samus >b-but she's poplar!
so is Daisy yet Daisy is also a 1:1 clone funny how that works
sure is better than getting nothing but still go frick yourself if you justify this shit
the worst represented is samus >shitty other M model instead of prime >no speed booster >no shine sparking >no boost ball >no powerbombs >no stacked beam upgrades >missiles fire slowly
space jumps are a technicality because she double jumps like in prime, but in 2d metroid and other M you get infinite jumps so what gives? fricking kirby has infinite jumps in his games and sakurai gave him 5 in smash >the arm canon has these point blank explosion attacks that arent real in the games >final smash isnt some kind of hyper mode from the games, its just a kamehameha, which ironically ended up in metroid dread was awesome because you can walk around while holding it down. no other kamemahehas let you move
How is he poorly represented? He shouldn't have even been in but we got all the ghosts and more
How can you be wrong so densely in one sentence?
>moveset pulled out of someone's ass that only takes material from like, two of his actual games
>shitty trophies/spirits
>least amount of spirits in ultimate
>most of his music is either a remix of the start theme or isn't even from his own franchise
>shitty alts (besides oven mitts)
>no pac-man world material
>low tier in competitive play
>worst grab in the game
>pac-land
>>low tier in competitive play
No he isn't
>>low tier in competitive play
grab in the game
Both of these were true in Smash 4 but it's the complete opposite in Ultimate. Pac-Man is an easy high tier, and his grab is among the best in the game
>t.
Pac-Land is literally one of, if not, the most hated stage in Smash Bros history. It's gotten to the point people actually say the game itself was bad and just use the fact Smash bothered to represent it as an excuse to shit on it.
the game actually was lame though
Super Mario Bros 1 wouldn't even exist without it. People really just like to parade an agenda that SMB1 had to "invent" platformers, or just "good platformers" in general.
Even shit like Pitfall never gets the appreciation it deserves with gaming historians.
>Pac-Land
Oh, you were talking about that stage.
Yeah, I found it fun once or twice but I agree it's shit.
Then again, can't expect every stage for every character to be 10/10. Only stages I remember really enjoying from a character would be Olimar's, Captain Falco's and a handful of others because it was funny to frick around on them in Brawl with friends.
>moveset pulled out of two games
So? Lots of other characters have moveset from just one game. Most of them, in fact.
trophies/spirits
amount of spirits in ultimate
Nobody gives a frick about this after finishing World of Light and I say that as someone that was grinding hard and had every spirit when I played, on top of them being max level.
>music
Never cared but why not.
>shitty alts
Can't comment since I don't play the character.
>low tier in competitive
have a nice day maybe? I bet you don't even competitive in the first place.
>pac-land
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idk whats with the malding replies, literaly right about most things
>one of the most recognizable characters in video games
>arcade is a classic everyone knows about
>shouldn't be in
OP is a weird autist and is hyperfixated on how mascots are represented especially in Smash. He's made variations of this thread dozens of times.
What was his name again?
Gandorf
Ness and lucas
I get his family is in legal hell but what the frick was this?
this is literally ALL of his spirits in Ultimate, btw.
Who the frick gives a shit about spirits? Like if it was trophies maybe I'd care
It shows how little they gave a damn when it came to representing him as a proper franchise. The trophies in Smash 4 for him were just as bad, almost all of them being literal 2D sprite rips from the original arcade game.
This is the only part of Pac Man that is lacking. Him serving as a representative of classic Namco works fine with the music remixes. But they should have extended that to the spirits. Put in spirits of Druaga, Valkyrie, Bravoman, etc
Not sure why they thought spirits had to be purely Pac-Man
This is what pisses me off the most. If they were going to make him represent Namco as a whole, I don't get why they couldn't give other proper Namco characters different assists or trophies. It's especially jarring considering fricking Dig Dug POOKAS are in Smash Run on Smash 4 3DS.
Young link and took link could be a bit more different and have items unique to them, samus is still pretty shitty, sonic is still nothing but spin dashes
>Young link and took link could be a bit more different and have items unique to them, samus is still pretty shitty, sonic is still nothing but spin dashes
I'm still butthurt at Nintendo. They had zero issues reworking Falco, Bowser, and Pichu, they even decloned Ganondorf from Falcon in Melee onward. Every other character who needs a rework doesn't get shit, except for Pit who got reworked twice and still hasn't properly represent his games since Brawl.
>they even decloned Ganondorf
But even then he's a terrible representation of Ganondorf
Frick, even Kirby got overhauled three games in a row and has nothing to show of it.
People say there's no where to go from ultimate but there's a ton of room for improvement
TL was my most wanted in Brawl man, it really sucks how they are insistent in giving him the same shit
Ganondorf, and it's not even close.
The worst that could be said about Pacman's representation is that 4's console release got the shittier stage and Ultimate as well. Others have it much worse
most actuallu have awful representation in terms of stages
Mario
>Rainbow Road was cut for whatever fricking reason
>and it was just a port of the MK7 RR instead if making a special one for Smash Bros
>they made a better RR in the Rosalina Trailer in 4
>5 Smash Games not a single proper Bowser Castle Stage
>not a single Mario Party stage with Peach Cake being an obvious Peach homestage
DK
>not a single minecart madness stage
>cut the DKCR stage for a gimmick no one gives a frick about
>no sunset shore
Sonic
>gets le first level from a game no one cares about
>no studiopolis/casino night zone
>no chemical plant
>no city escape
this first area as a stage shit is so corny and lazy that ruins a lot of representations when a lot of games have obvious iconic areas
Why is Mega Man's victory theme the MM2 title screen theme and not, well, his iconic fricking victory theme?
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I dunno why is snakes the game over theme?
>More unique moves as a fricking AT
>could've made the Phazon Spikes a down smash
>could've made her chain gun a B
>could've made her homing orbs a down or side B
>doesn't have her monster voice clips when is just grunts and growls
>has a frick ton of source materials to work with in decloning
meanwhile Isabelle a non-combatant gets the semiclone treatment with completely made up shit, nothing against her but but if they could've done it for her, they could've done it for Dark Samus
>b-but she's poplar!
so is Daisy yet Daisy is also a 1:1 clone funny how that works
sure is better than getting nothing but still go frick yourself if you justify this shit
There are 108 weapons in Kid Icarus Uprising
Dark Pit only uses 4
the worst represented is samus
>shitty other M model instead of prime
>no speed booster
>no shine sparking
>no boost ball
>no powerbombs
>no stacked beam upgrades
>missiles fire slowly
space jumps are a technicality because she double jumps like in prime, but in 2d metroid and other M you get infinite jumps so what gives? fricking kirby has infinite jumps in his games and sakurai gave him 5 in smash
>the arm canon has these point blank explosion attacks that arent real in the games
>final smash isnt some kind of hyper mode from the games, its just a kamehameha, which ironically ended up in metroid dread was awesome because you can walk around while holding it down. no other kamemahehas let you move
Sonic