I love Junpei as a character the best but I love Yosuke as the best friend character when he’s actually taking things seriously. Chie and Yukiko, and Kanji are basically just spare men for killing shit but when it’s time to actually discuss what’s happening with the killer and all that, Yosuke is basically being the group leader for you. That part where you figure out the killer’s true identity has you, Naoto, and Yosuke discussing it.
I’d say Jun is the bro character of the game but I understand ppl liking Eikichi more, The old P2 universe absolutely fricking HATES Jun
I would definitely say Ryuji, but I might prefer Junpei as a character, I think they're both very good though. Yosuke is easily the one I like the least of them though.
Eikichi's likable but I think he's really boring as a character. I like the idea behind him but the execution of his story doesn't work at all for me and the whole thing with his ex-girlfriend didn't grab me in the slightest. I like that he has a guitar case machine gun though.
SPBP
Michel remembered in my EP playthrough. Can't believe I let best Persona bro down like that. That shit depressed me more than any other moment in the series.
Persona is all about fellating the wet blanket MC, there's no potential at all there. That scene is literally just there to tell sensitive otaku "Hey, Ryuji is never getting with Ann, so don't be scared!"
Of course and those otaku are dumb, Ryuji not being a simp would make him MORE attractive to a hot chick like Ann who would been used to simp behavior like Morgana's.
>being a shippergay >in a game with a self-insert that get all the b***hes
you sound like a genshingay. Tell me your favorite ship there but I think I guess all of them including your ships in Persona too
It's not something I personally do but people will notice if two actual characters have 'chemistry'. Just saying Ryuji rejecting Ann there for would grant more legitimacy to a pairing than take away from it if this weren't a self-insert fantasy, but it is. But hell, if they had to be reassured, that means there is something to Ryuji and Ann's relationship that would give players the "wrong" idea.
Junpei has an arc and actually improves as a person
Yosuke is designed to be the buttmonkey
Ryuuji's alright, but I feel like the game makes him out to be a bad guy for things like the Morgana incident when he doesn't really do anything wrong.
Definitely Junpei. Ryuji comes close, but the way P4 and P5 handles party social links means that he's hit with the same issue of most of his character development being optional and ignored by the main plot. Yosuke can go frick himself. He's a total c**t to absolutely everyone and then turns around and sucks your wiener incessantly. Just the worst.
Junpei isn't your bro at all though. Ryuji and Yosuke actually invite you hang out, keep your secrets, and try to be your wingman on occasion. Junpei on the other hand doesn't even like for most of the game and he's closer to Akihiko and Ryoji than he is to you. Hell even the female protagonist is better friends with Junpei
The problem is Junpei doesn't just 'rag' on you a little. He avoids you, is super passive-aggressive, gets extremely jealous over leadership even though it's explained quite a few times why you're a better leader. Don't get me wrong, I like all of this since it does lead to an actual arc for him and feels natural especially compared to the forced Ryuuji/Morgana conflict bullshit but he doesn't truly befriend you for awhile.
Considering P3 MC has a specific circumstance and is particularly aloof that might piss some people off with his attitude and lack of an emotive response. And there are plenty of insecure tards that get offended by these little things either in Ganker or other sites. Junpei in the end is just a high school boy. He is not a full fledged adult so he needs some time, that's all.
This. People forget this a lot. I do like Junpei as a character but he is very much not really your friend for most of the game and you dont really get much time to bond with him unless you're the FeMC.
>he is very much not really your friend for most of the game
And that's a good thing. That why I love the P3 cast the most, they're just co-workers dealing with their own shit for the most part.
It's Ryuji, despite how much the game mistreats him.
I like Junpei a lot but I agree with in that he just isn't as close to the MC to be a true bro character.
Yosuke is a fricking idiot.
I guess Yosuke. He's a kiss-ass and frankly needed someone besides fricking Teddiie to hang out with, but he is your bro, and the punch out by the river was a nice moment.
This, Junpei's a dick to you up until the point where he gets a girl and mellows out a little. But really it's only after Chidori dies that he matures, but then he's not really a bro to you because you're dead.
I think people forget that the dormmates (that you don't frick) in P3 aren't really your friends, they're your coworkers. That eventually changes, but you don't really hang out or anything until the very end of the game. I think that's part of what made them better characters.
This. People forget this a lot. I do like Junpei as a character but he is very much not really your friend for most of the game and you dont really get much time to bond with him unless you're the FeMC.
I haven't played P3P but isn't Junpei a potential romance? Does that have any interaction with the Chidori arc?
You can't romance him. You can try but he friendzones you. There is how ever some cut dialouge of Junpei confessing his love for you at the end of the game like the other boys do in NG+ implying that he was at some point
Junpei is one of the best characters atlus probably ever designed. But you are 100% right. Junpei was not your bro at the start nor at the end of the game.
He is a prime example of good character development though, and the fact he isn't there just to be your personal ass kisser still puts him above both yosuke and ryuji if you ask me
I guess Yosuke. He's a kiss-ass and frankly needed someone besides fricking Teddiie to hang out with, but he is your bro, and the punch out by the river was a nice moment.
This, Junpei's a dick to you up until the point where he gets a girl and mellows out a little. But really it's only after Chidori dies that he matures, but then he's not really a bro to you because you're dead.
I think people forget that the dormmates (that you don't frick) in P3 aren't really your friends, they're your coworkers. That eventually changes, but you don't really hang out or anything until the very end of the game. I think that's part of what made them better characters.
Yosuke is the best of the three, he has some pretty deep conversations with you and opens up about shit, I honestly imagine this is what having a true best friends feels like
This would be a tremendous undertaking but they should have the main story change based on what you accomplish in each of your social links. it's certainly possible and would make playthroughs very unique.
that's moronic. I don't want to hang out with some randos like the fat frick in P3 or Kenji. I want to hang out with the people I spend the majority of the game with
This. P3 had some alright social links, but a vast majority of them, mostly with schoolmates like Kenji, were shit, and you didn't give a single shit about the character.
People pushing the no development thing is dumb, because in P4/P5 the party members have their development/realization before they join the group and then their social link/coop is following up on that development/realization. It doesn't play into the main plot because it doesn't need to play into the main plot.
The bulk of character development is still in the story in the character's introductory arcs and they don't behave in an inconsistent manner between story and S. Link. Having S. Links with party members for reflections on their arc in the story and learning more about the character is a lot more interesting than having S. Links with the likes of Bebe and Kenji. It would be nice to have more of a dynamic between how the main story and how the S. Link has progressed though.
that's moronic. I don't want to hang out with some randos like the fat frick in P3 or Kenji. I want to hang out with the people I spend the majority of the game with
both sides of this debate are moronic
character development doesn't need to be plot-relevant to be meaningful, it just needs to not contradict the plot
also P3's moonbro is the best link in the game.
P3's Moon is just an unabashed butthole. I don't think it's the worst because it's memorable for how they just give you an S. Link with someone totally unlikeable the whole way through, but he's still a shithead.
I'm not saying it needs to be plot relevant, but having pretty much all of their growth in an S.Link just completely takes me out of the moment when they regress once the main story kicks in again.
Doesn't he apologize almost right after though? And honestly this was the least mad I was at him in the game. I'd be stressed and resentful as frick too if i knew everyone was about to die soon and we couldn't do anything about it.
I believe he makes amends before the dungeon begins, but I can't see how you'd be the least mad at the interaction
I understand that it's UNDERSTANDABLE but man after all the fricking attitude through the entire game, I was so fricking sick of him, that it just made it worse
Mostly because it wasn't envy or inadequacy this time - he was just scared like everyone was. If he was just being a bitter frick for the same shit as earlier though, yeah, I'd be a bit pissed at him too. Hell i actually was until my 3rd playthrough.
>I understand that it's UNDERSTANDABLE but man after all the fricking attitude through the entire game, I was so fricking sick of him, that it just made it worse
Weren't there 3 or 4 major parts where Junpei treats MC like shit out of jealousy, then he grows up and they made up just so he pulls that shit one more final time? Not even getting laid fixed him.
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I believe he makes amends before the dungeon begins, but I can't see how you'd be the least mad at the interaction
I understand that it's UNDERSTANDABLE but man after all the fricking attitude through the entire game, I was so fricking sick of him, that it just made it worse
to be fair junpei was even nervous the fricking dog was going to outshine him.
the guy never had a shot
My problem with Yosuke and Ryuji though I like them both is that they're forced to be the buttmonkey so the self-insert protagonist can shine and have no real competition as a man surrounded by potential love-interests and as 'the hero'. It actually leaves a bad taste in my mouth how much they get shit on just so the protagonist looks that better in comparison when it's actually unnecessary. That scene of Ryuuji getting beat to shit by the girls after saving everyone's life especially sickens me.
>That scene of Ryuuji getting beat to shit by the girls after saving everyone's life especially sickens me.
i wanted to kick all the women out of the group after that
They had to have the girls do that because there is NO WAY a guy putting his life at risk to save his friends while pulling off an insane feat like that even with his leg injury wouldn't have soaked every pair of panties in the vicinity and the needed to protect the player's ego.
Ryuuji really should've gotten together with Ann or something. Fine if the MC gets a harem or n-times most of the female population, but just give the supporting cast some meaningful relationships. I thought P5 really fricking failed at giving any of your party members any kind of life outside of what they were doing with you.
I thought P5 did fine with that, it gave some screentime to characters from outside Joker's perspective, which was nice to see after P4 where it's almost all from Yu's perspective so you don't see the rest of the group on their own ever outside of one brief moment with Yosuke and Teddie, and the Mementos dialogue has characters talking about doing things that gives a sense of what they're doing in their spare iem without Joker. I think it could have stood to have more scenes outside Joker's perspective, and I also think it came close to doing something that would have beenr eally good in that you could see Ann and Makoto out together on their own at one point, but they just do it that once which is better than not doing it at all, but they really should have done it more.
Ryuji easily, if anyone of you dumb fricks has actually had actual friends you know that Ryuji is a bro that will actually stand by you, and would throw a punch if you were in danger, Even if he's the dumbest of the 3. The other 2 are cool bros don't get me wrong but Ryuji is a straight fricking rider.
>Calls out komshida face to face, doesn't get raped and bullied like a pussy
>Runs the bomb on the arc to save the whole squad. Doesn't die but is willing to make the sacrifice without a second thought
He's a dumb fricking bastard, but goddamn if that character doesn't have a heart of solid gold.
Yes, Morgana has the same archetype as the other two clowns, as he's the Magician. Magicians are impulsive, immature, and bad with girls. Over the course of the story they grow up and become reliable partner figures.
He was going to be which really neatly explains his homophobia around Kanji because he, at least initially, was secretly a repressed bisexual and was projecting hard.
t. didn't play the game and only saw a YouTube walk through
2 years ago
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>this man is not a homosexual
lmao is that how you justify that you didnt had gay sex at the gay bar bro?
2 years ago
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Shadows are exaggerated fears. Kanji feared he was gay and that his liking cute stuff made him weird and because of that no one would ever accept him. Even him ragging on girls is less about sexuality and more his bad experiences of girls especially making fun of him
2 years ago
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I kinda hope they bring these kinds of shadows back and let us talk shit to them
Cause he THINKS he's a gay you dumbass, unironically society made him believe he might like guys and he can't cope with that, until you beat the boss and he realizes that it doesn't matter, and that it's fine to enjoy girly shit as a dude.
Shadows are exaggerated fears of the person they come from. Kanji fears that he's gay because he likes cute stuff and was attracted to Naoto who he though was a guy. So his shadow larps as an aggressively gay Kanji to frick with him.
2 years ago
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It annoys me to no end to watch homosexual streamers completely miss this point and just project their gay agenda on him; shit makes me want to puke.
2 years ago
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They're exaggerations but not total falsehoods. Kanji is kinda fruity, Rise is a bit loose, Yukiko is a spoiled brat to some degree. They have to agree with that much because the shadows are only full blown stereotypes because they've been denying there's any truth to it.
2 years ago
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They're not fears homie they're repressed aspects of their personality.
2 years ago
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Jungian Shadows are affected by how one feels they are perceived by society.
2 years ago
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It's a little bit of both, isn't it? It's a repressed part of yourself exaggerated into a caricature you're terrified of other people seeing.
It's how he thinks people would view him if they knew about his hobbies and interests. You missed the point.
2 years ago
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yea right dude thats why he blushes because Akihiko Chad is shirtless
2 years ago
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>Arena >canon
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>A spin-off fighting game is canon
>arena
Post q next.
Cope because I won the argument lmao fricking homosexuals
Kanji = homosexual confirmed even the devs think he runs to 3rd base and yes Arena has the CANNON personalities of the characters deal with it.
2 years ago
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>A spin-off fighting game is canon
>He thinks Arena ISN'T canon
Lol. The Golden brings it up and the only reason why Dojima isn't playable is because Atlus didn't want to make a non-canon game.
2 years ago
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>The Golden >Canon
Frick off bandwagging fanboy
2 years ago
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>bandwagging
Lol are you fricking moronic?
2 years ago
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No, YOU are a bandwagoning moron.
2 years ago
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>liking golden >with the worst va of all time playing chie
kek
2 years ago
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Why did they lose the original Chie anyway? The new one is just awful
2 years ago
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She ruined devil survivor too. Definitely fricking someone.
2 years ago
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Because the old one didn't fit Chie's actual character, which is blatantly obvious if you played it subbed.
2 years ago
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lmao what the frick is that explanation? You're saying the original dub was innaccurate? So what, that's not a problem when the so-called "accurate" version is objectively worse. It's the same shit as with Metal Gear Solid 1 being well written due to the liberties the translators took and the actual direct translation is objectively worse.
2 years ago
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Neither does this one.
Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
2 years ago
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>Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
They aren't chie-gays tehy're just bandwagonning morons. Actual Chie gays know the original dub was superior.
2 years ago
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I've seen Chie spammed all up and down this board as a quintessential tomboy waifu. I watched subbed clips, and I thought I understood what all the fuss was about. After buying and beating P4G I could only conclude that Chie's American VA is like running a rusty cheese grater across an out-of-tune violin. I cannot stand her voice.
2 years ago
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>liking golden >with the worst va of all time playing chie
kek
Because the old one didn't fit Chie's actual character, which is blatantly obvious if you played it subbed.
im with the one anon. old chie literally doesn't fit her actual character
i mean her old voice is hotter but new chie does fit her loud MEAT MEAT MEAT MEAT KUNGFU shit more
2 years ago
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She's not even the worst VA in the same game, anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Objectively wrong.
Yosuke will always be the #1 bro. Junpei is a better character but he's not really your bro, he's a reluctant friend. Ryuji I don't remember much but he felt closer to Ann then you as the MC
I'm not gonna mass reply but everyone saying yosuke is a female or homosexual who downloaded the gay mod.
2 years ago
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lmao what the frick is that explanation? You're saying the original dub was innaccurate? So what, that's not a problem when the so-called "accurate" version is objectively worse. It's the same shit as with Metal Gear Solid 1 being well written due to the liberties the translators took and the actual direct translation is objectively worse.
Neither does this one.
Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
>Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
They aren't chie-gays tehy're just bandwagonning morons. Actual Chie gays know the original dub was superior.
Anon, I don't give a flying frick what she said on Twitter or whatever the frick you hate her for.
2 years ago
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I don't even know her name much less her twitter handle. She'll never frick you by the way.
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>using English voices
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>he plays with english voices
2 years ago
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Chie’s new voice is perfect. She has a level of energy that reminds me of my high school gf.
2 years ago
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>A spin-off fighting game is canon
>arena
Post q next.
Arena is confirmed to be canon though?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay but isn't that game consistently >hey don't you want to rape your cousin? >ill kill you >oh actually i was saying how are you today
As far as I know kanji think akihiko is saying he want to rape him in that jacket.
Way to miss the fricking point. Dude was terrified at the possibility that his gender divergent hobbies made him homosexual.
2 years ago
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No, he is insecure about being seen as less of a man for not fitting a manly man mold. He associates homosexuality with being a sissy and the notion of being attracted to a guy would blow a hole into the aggressively masculine facade he's been trying to build up to deal with his insecurity. The bara dudes his shadow transforms are a mockery of his simple-mindedness because being big muscle man is also a gay stereotype in Japan.
Shadows literally hate the truth, that's why they go nuts when told "You're not me!", because it's true. None of the shadows are accurate representations of their hosts. They are a tiny grain of truth warped and exaggerated with fears, insecurities, and surface level prejudice and assumptions from the masses. The midnight channel itself is formed from what people want to see, it's not a window into the soul, it's wishful thinking from curious onlookers. Accepting your shadow requires literally beating the lies and misconceptions out of it to grasp the truth within.
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>Shadows hate the truth
Shadows love the truth moron, what Shadows want most of all is to be accepted which is why they embrace rumors projected unto them.
2 years ago
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>shadows love the truth which is why they embrace blatant lies
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They embrace lies that let them act out and tease the truth. What a shadow desires is to be acknowledged.
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No. The shadow DOESNT want to be acknowledged. It WANTS to be denied. Have you never played these games?
2 years ago
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Have you? Shadows are problem childs that throw a tantrum because they've been denied. It's how it's so easy for them to be manipulated by the evil God of the week.
2 years ago
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They only gain independence when they are denied. That’s why they egg on the originator until they deny them. Even if you were some sort of double digit i moron who somehow missed this, they explain it explicitly in Arena.
2 years ago
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The shadows in arena are not the individual shadows but Kagutsuchi pulling the old Nyarly special, since he is everyone's shadows he can take on their form to taunt them, however they do not get returned to their user they are just Kagutsuchi
2 years ago
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No. How I described it is how they describe specifically Labrys’s shadow, which is actually her shadow.
2 years ago
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Labrys's shadow is the only one who is an actual shadow but she gets acknowledged like all the others and becomes Ariadne
2 years ago
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>They only gain independence when they are denied. That’s why they egg on the originator until they deny them.
This. This is what I’m saying. Shadows don’t want you to accept them. They want you to deny them so they can gain independence from the host.
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But what I'm saying is that what they really want is to be acknowledged. Being denied and throwing a tantrum is their way of validating their existence BECAUSE they aren't being acknowledged, but ultimately they cannot exist as a fragment of the ego. What a shadow desires is that their true self will accept them.
2 years ago
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No. What the shadow wants is independence. The persona is the beast within tamed, but the second you lose control, it turns on you again. The natural state of the shadow is conflict with the originator because it WANTS to be free, not accepted.
2 years ago
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The shadow will turn on you because you stop acknowledging it again. So long as you accept yourself, become your true self, the shadow is happy to take your side. See P1 and P5, a shadow's first course of action is not to break free but to turn to themselves to be let loose.
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No. What the shadow wants is independence. The persona is the beast within tamed, but the second you lose control, it turns on you again. The natural state of the shadow is conflict with the originator because it WANTS to be free, not accepted.
The best way to put this is that the Shadow wants to be anything EXCEPT a Shadow. If you accept it, great, it gets to be your Persona; if you reject it, it's more than happy to kill you and become its own person.
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A shadow is the aspect of someone's personality they refuse to show even to themselves, it is literally the unacknowledged shadow. In Persona games that shadow wants to be seen, it wants to be known. When a shadow is denied it can finally act as it's own existence "you're not me therefore I am me, I don't need you to be me". But a shadow will always be a part of that person, to deny it is a lie that only hurts both, a shadow will always return to a heart that will acknowledge their existence.
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Shadows hate truth. They only become a problem when ignored. This is true in both psychology and in the game. In the game it’s like some sort of weird analogy disassociation disorder when they are denied.
Stupei since you actually have to earn his admiration so the friendship feels stronger. Yosuke is hopping on your dick from the moment you meet him and Ryuji is just a tard.
>Yosuke is hopping on your dick from the moment you meet him
He doesn't really. It's just him latching onto someone from the city so he feels there's some common ground there and feels like everyone else secretly hates him because his father. Which turns out to be true.
Junpei is the best written but Ryuji was straight up willing to sacrifice himself for his friends without any hesitation, which is the most bro thing you can do.
Junpei did not care much about Minato after he became a fricking door, and he always felt pretty distant as a main bro in general.
Yosuke was a big improvement. He is kind of the gaygiest of the three, but I like how sometimes he held his own ground and went against MCs decisions, like when he wants to throw the dude in the tv for killing Nanako.
Ryuji is clearly the most realistic bro of the three, and its that one friend everyone had in high school. He has his issues that he doesnt talk about but he genuinely enjoys hanging out with you, and might even see you as a brother. Though he being an idiot who just follows whatever you say, while not very realistic might be cool if you think of it as him fully trusting you.
So honestly it depends. Objectively, I will have to say Yosuke is the best overall, but subjectively I like Ryuji the most and would be the one I enjoy having as best friend.
He is the one that would probably throw himself in front of a bullet for you.
They're all really fantastic. During The Answer, Junpei felt like the only one who was understanding of Door-kun's resolve from the get-go and how serious the situation was. He's able to stay relatively level-headed and not jump to extremes. Yosuke is pretty much the leader of the IT and he really shines in Arena where he's a goddamn superhero for Labrys, who's the best girl in 4. Ryuji has a few moments and he's a chill guy, but I feel like he hasn't really gotten his big moment aside from that one scene after the Ark.
Feels good to beat 3 persona fanboy otaku nerds on an argument. I can probably beat them the frick up irl too at the same time. I'm much more based than them.
Yosuke will always be the #1 bro. Junpei is a better character but he's not really your bro, he's a reluctant friend. Ryuji I don't remember much but he felt closer to Ann then you as the MC
Everyone who's not the MC gets cucked in Persona starting from 3. >inb4 Junpei and Chidori
Junpei got cucked by death itself. The ultimate and final NTR villain.
Ryuji is consistently always on the bottom of P5 polls and Junpei is always at the bottom in P3 polls. The only Persona bro that's actually popular in Japan is Yosuke
Ryuji is loud and obnoxious with no filter and no concept of reading the room. Of course he's going to be hated in Japan, it's not just fujos. Of course he's going to be more well liked in America because that behaviour isn't as negative. They may as well have made Ryuji the foreigner instead of Ann because he's pretty much every "obnoxious foreign tourist" stereotype rolled up into one.
Now that you mentioned it, I got the impression he was more of a typical rebellious delinquent while playing p5. If he was the protagonist of a delinquent series he would have been based and had more positive traits.
Besides Naoto, he's actually the smartest and most competent in the group when you pay attention, being confirmed to be Yu's equal in many regards. Shame he's forced to pretend to be moronic so much even if it is just a cope personality.
Hes sort of a projection of Yus character because Yu is more or less a silent protagonist and Yosuke ends up narrating the story. He doesnt really get credit for being a leader. He starts off as a little annoying but it kinda hits hard when you realize he is the way he is because he doesnt want to be alone.
Kanji is a homosexual, the point is he shouldn't care what anyone thinks about him and should bee himself, he has friends who will accept him anyway. Of course Ganker is full of insecure tards and think it's about "not being gay". Kanji would be attracted to Naoto even if she actually was a boy.
It's slim pickings but Junpei by a long mile considering he actually had a character arc that didn't depend on hanging on the player characters dick 24/7. Yosuke and Ryuji blew their character load in the first dungeon and remained relatively useless to the plot except to be the punching bag for the team.
>remained relatively useless to the plot except to be the punching bag for the team.
Yosuke is basically the team leader when Yu can’t speak. He has good deductive reasoning and a knack for planning and strategy, even if he is a little impulsive. Hell, the Investigation Team in general all have their uses. >Chie is good at sniffing out rumors, gossip, etc., and occasionally hits a bullseye with her wild theories. Unfortunately, she's also a bit impetuous and sometimes has trouble following things. >Yukiko has a non-linear thinking style that allows her to look at things from different angles. Unfortunately, sometimes, it takes her a while to do this, as she figures out Naoto's motive after Naoto's already been kidnapped. >Kanji can be surprisingly insightful at times, and is often the one who keeps the group focused on what they can control instead of what they cannot. His hot-headed nature can be distracting, though. >Teddie knows the ins and outs of the TV world, and how Shadows behave, but knows next to nothing about the human world. >Rise is the most socially sensitive of the group, giving her great insight into people's feelings and their behavior. >Naoto, being an actual detective, is perceptive, well-read, and great at logical reasoning. However, she has a problem of consistently not sharing her ideas with the rest of the gang.
It’s why when they actually discuss things through and come at a problem with their different strengths, they’re a really damn effective team.
I like how Kanji has a tendency to cut straight to the heart of the matter where his more intelligent teammates might be inclined to wallow in angst. He points out that the fact that they saved two people is quite good in and of itself, tells them it's too soon to give up just because a third person got murdered, and says that beating themselves over what happened when Nanako is hospitalized doesn't do any good.
One thing I appreciate about P4 is how none of the party members feel like that they’re just because and contributes positively towards the overall group dynamic and problem solving even beyond their introductions. Ken and Haru are examples of what I feel when wasted party member potential comes to mind.
I don't think Ken is really a wasted party member, he's a pretty important part of the Akihiko/Shinjiro/Ken story and the game relies a lot on character arcs over the main plot so I'd say his importance to that gives him a meaningful role overall. Haru's a bit of a waste, but for me it's mainly just because her arc is hijacked by Morgana. I like her as part of the group after that, even if it's short-lived.
True enough but outside of that, he doesn’t really contribute much outside of being potential muscle, which could be contributed to P3’s plot leaning more towards stopping the apocalypse than stopping a murder mystery.
Yosuke actually fricking rules, but unfortunately it hardly ever shows due to him not being the coolest monkey in the jungle when the entire Investigation Team is in a room (most of that charisma is vacuumed by The Protagonist, unfortunately). I got a kick out of P4: The Magician and finding out small details like him listening to Western movie OSTs on his headphones.
The overall idea of a boonies murder mystery being tackled by two city boys initially is something I find humorous, in hindsight.
Haven't played P5, but I know I enjoyed Yosuke more than Junpei both as a character and party member back when I played the games on PS2. Which is why I was sort of surprised to see how much people disliked him online but I can see why people may diss him for being a suckup or that friend who constantly makes uninitiated jabs at you
Nah, I've seen the dislike long on other sites back when P4 was still new too. That said, a good deal of it outside Ganker was from people who shout homophobic at everything so I take their opinions with a grain of salt
Based Atsubrochad
Never agreed with his ending though where they relinquish demon control to the fricking government, but outside of that he's the only one who sticks by you the entire game and is a decent physical unit
I always found his ending extremely moronic to what you have to do to unlock it >Hey we just uncovered a plot from the government to nuke tokyo with microwaves and if that fails they will call the angels to finish the job, let's give the power of demons to this same government!
He is still super based due to actually being useful without input from the MC and sticking with you even on the king of bel ending unlike that wench Yoohoo
I've never liked Atsuro, his personality's just boring and him following you no matter what just makes him look spineless, not like a bro. He's obviously not okay with it when you kill people in the Overlord path but he just moans about it and goes along with it anyway. It just makes him look like a b***h, even Yuzu has enough sack to stand up to you when she thinks you're doing the wrong thing.
It's a weird relationship, being friends with the guy whose dead sister you had a crush with, considering her comments inside her mini dungeon, I would imagine Saki complained about Yosuke to Naoki all the time, she was kind of a b***h.
>considering her comments inside her mini dungeon
It's been a while since I played P4, but I got the impression those were just the remaining echoes of her deep inner thoughts from her shadow self or something, stuff that she did not actually say out loud to others
>Kanji for P4
Kanji is the best but unlike Yosuke who is your "partner", Kanji straight up idolizes Yu, same as Teddie, for good reason, mind you, but is hard to feel that camaraderie and instead feels more like a fan.
I see it more as Yu being an older brother figure to Kanji who wants a strong, older, supportive male figure in his life that he lost once his father died. You're his a senior and he sees you as such and wants you to be proud and accept him for who he is
Ryuji by far. Junpei always gets salty at you not being a general slob/degen. Yosuke is a virgin and a half, and laughs at shit that isn't funny. Ryuji is annoying at first, but once he's your friend, he'll help hook you up with the perfect girl, and he'd quite literally take a bullet for you if he had to choose between you and himself. Ryuji is the fricking best. Even if he does say "For Real?!" way too fricking much. He's a lovable moron, and frick anyone who disagrees.
Junpei might not have been the bestest bro to the MC, but I respect him the most as a character which retroactively makes me like him more than the other two.
>tfw P4RG will never be finished and I'll never be able to romance my dashing Yosuke >tfw the P4G Yosuke romance mod will probably be finished and I'll have to get my fix with a disgusting gay story
It's the only one with two re-releases and they probably felt just having Persona 3 but portable wasn't enough to make P3P worthwhile so they put in the FeMC as well. They already did a Golden/Royal style expansion with FES so they weren't going to do that again for Portable.
Personally I don't see how the character's sex has anything to do with coming from the big city to a small town. I wonder if they made up that excuse on the fly?
2 years ago
Anonymous
to be fair. it is a lot of work. half of these games are a vn and your gender should determine how people treat you affecting every single vn aspect. its like rewriting the game twice.
western games allow female character choices by simply not having a difference. its just a character model swap which just isn't realistic or special
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of the context of the protagonists relationships, especially among their party, is based partially around their gender. Also P5 especially would need to be super different because Joker being a girl would dramatically change the connotations of her situation and relationships with some of the villains, like Kamoshida and Shido.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FeMC Persona 5 opens up with Shido trying to grope you, and you're punished for defending yourself.
That'd be really fricked up honestly.
I can see why it would be too much effort, but it would've left a hell of an impression.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah it’s probably way too dark right off the bat to be palatable to general audiences.
Ryuji actually risked his life to safe his team, unlike anyone else. Yosuke is just a closet homosexual to chill with. Junpei actually fricking hates you during parts of the game and has his own thing going on with Chidore. So regardless of how bro they stack up during the game Ryuji quite literally attempted to sacrifice himself to save everyone from Shido's palace. The only thing that comes close is when your party, one at a time, pushes Yu out of the way to tank a scripted death hit. Which applies to everyone in game and not really a character in specific.
>Ryuji quite literally attempted to sacrifice himself to save everyone from Shido's palace
Dont forget that he is the one distributing the calling cards at the beggining and almost got ran over in order to get a taxi to save Makoto.
>I don't like how Ryuji gets treated as trash even on serious situations.
This. The scene after the cruise ship palace collapses is so goddamn stupid. He saved the group and gets smacked for it.
No he just said to Ann specifically her crying face is 'so not cute' and not even in an mean way he was just confused if anything. He wasn't beat up for something he said. They were just upset at him for seeming dead but...surviving?? and took it out on him. Shit was awful.
Just rewatched it. I misremembered when he made that face comment. That really is a fricking terrible scene.
It really gives a bad aftertaste. If it was some social link or school event shit then maaaaybe, but it's a story scene right after taking care of the "final dungeon" Palace, for frick's sake.
Poor dude had his "time to shine again" moment with his track team experience even after his leg injury with that daring escape, and gets beat up as a reward. Bad, bad Atlus.
No he just said to Ann specifically her crying face is 'so not cute' and not even in an mean way he was just confused if anything. He wasn't beat up for something he said. They were just upset at him for seeming dead but...surviving?? and took it out on him. Shit was awful.
Junpei, the guy wasn't a total moron like Yosuke, or an annoying brah dude like Ryuji, he was just the right amount of likeable dumbass , also the dudes in persona 4 and 5 are unironic trannies
Tatsuya exists so no. Door is a close second. Yu was also good in arena until he went full on MUH BONDS and nooo you cant be mad at murderers and guys who try to kill you nearly every fricking scene. Joker is still a mixed bag. He feels better in comedy scenes than actual main character.
I don't like how him, Maya and Tatsuya in particular are handled because the story feels reliant on them hvaing a character even though they're silent protagonists so it feels like it's struggling with itself to try and give them the appropriate amount of character for the story while working in the constraints of being a silent protagonist, and it just leaves me wishing they werent silent protagonists instead. Joker has a bit of a similar issue, but it's not as bad because in his case it just feels like he would have a fun personality so it's a shame they didn't let him speak on his own, rather than it feeling like an issue with the plot like in P2 and 3. I'd probably say I like Joker most just because of his design and how expressive he is though, I probably like Tatsuya most as a character, but that's EP that makes me feel that way, IS didn't give me a great impresison of him.
Teddie specifically is fricking terrible. I wanted to play through P4G again with jp voices for a different experience, but his voice was fricking ear rape.
Yeah, I don't mind Morgana even if I don't really care for him either, but I don't like Teddie. To be fair to Teddie though, I recently played PQ and I think his portrayal in that specifically is giving me a more negative opinion than I'd have otherwise.
I hate the mascot characters from P4 and P5. They're just constantly annoying throughout the entire game with the same joke repeated to death.
In Teddie's defense, the bear puns were added to the English script as a way to translate his habit of endings his sentences with "kuma". It's still grating to listen to, of course, but I understand what they were trying to do.
Same. I could never take any of their 'arcs' remotely seriously. Morgana was worse though because he's literally just repackaged Teddie but instead of a goof he's just a smug dickhead.
I don't even hate Morgana but I can't think of anything endearing about him. I've even started replaying the game and I'm already replacing him with Yusuke.
I like him because he’s so much of a naive, self centered, sex obsessed butthole that he’s entertaining. I also like his backstory of being a shadow that just wanted a friend, and how that unfolded over the course of the story.
I like Ryuji the best, but it's just extremely fricked that P5's main scenario writing was so shitty that they literally had no way of advancing the plot other than going back to "let's make Ryuji do something stupid haha" just to make everyone else look better. Pretty obvious the devs were thinking of ways to give Makoto more screen time.
That Ryuji does stupid things is what makes him memorable, him having an obsession with the fame of being a Phantom Thief and coming down from it and getting back in touch with why he wanted to form the group to begin with is a rare case of character development in the story after a character's introductory arc and it does a lot of good for him. It has nothing to do with Makoto.
Junpei is the best bro.
Yosuke is the only actual character - better written than entire P3 and P5 games.
Ryuji is something only a mentally moronic person who doesn't give a shit can make.
If you go strictly by game then Junpei is the best bro by the end of the game
If you go by anime then it's Yosuke
I also think it's Yosuke if you account for spinoffs.
He is a fricking Jackass all the way to the end of the game. People remember him fondly because of the January conversation before the showdown but aside from that he never stopped being a c**t.
>Picks up on his bro wanting to break down >Acts nonchalant to get the others to leave >Comes back as soon as everyone else is gone because he knows his bro needs this time to let it out >Doesn't need to say a word. Is just there for his bro and that's all Yu needs to trust in and finally let out his tears
Best Yosuke scene. Easily. I cant even picture Ryuji and Junpei doing something like this. Not to say they wouldn't want to comfort a friend but Yosukes intuitiveness and ability to know just what to do in moments like this is amazing.
I like Ryuji and Junpei but it felt like to me that Yosuke was the only one who truly understood their Brotag.
Hell Yosuke is the only one coming to mind who is like that out of all party members across P3, 4 and 5.
junpei doesn't even really count as a bro. like hes cool with you, but hes more of a just a good friend then on another level.
he does is own thing and b***hes at you for like a 3rd of the game
persona 3 is probably the only game that the cast doesn't constantly suck mc wiener for majority of the run time, even 2 Tatsuya is jUST THE COOLEST GUY OF ALL TIME GOD DAMN TATUSYA
Tatsuya imo. is even worse than Chad Ziodynewiener because instead of it being implied everyone wants his wiener, literally everyone wants Tatsuyas wiener
>even 2 Tatsuya is jUST THE COOLEST GUY OF ALL TIME GOD DAMN TATUSYA
not really? I mean lisa is obsessed with him. maya and eikichi like him as a friend, yukino is pretty indifferent. jun has a mancrush but they were also best bros when they were little kids
Not really. Tatsuya's whole thing is that yeah he seems like the epic cool guy hearthrob but no one actually knows the real him and it leaves him feeling even more isolated and makes him shun any romantic advances which isn't helped by him actually being a really shy guy. He also suffers a lot of shame because of his father and feels guilty that his brother had to give up his own dreams and life just to take care of him and feels like an indecisive failure who's scared of taking a step forward on his own. There's never a point in the game he's DA MAN who has it all under control and instead of the universe bending over to fellate him, it actively fricks his shit up even worse and shit on his efforts. His only real harem is with Jun and Lisa. And Maya might have a thing for him but she can choose to fall in love with someone else or just regard him as a friend. Tatsuya is a far cry from Door, Yu, and Joker.
If we're just talking about how praised the character gets, then Tatsuya still does get sucked off as much, if not more, than later protagonists still. That he has his own personal issues and faults doesn't change that.
>even 2 Tatsuya is jUST THE COOLEST GUY OF ALL TIME GOD DAMN TATUSYA
not really? I mean lisa is obsessed with him. maya and eikichi like him as a friend, yukino is pretty indifferent. jun has a mancrush but they were also best bros when they were little kids
most persona 2 fans have never played persona 2. it has even more anime bullshit then 5 with every sceen ending with unfunny nonsense and is incredibly easy braindead
>every sceen ending with unfunny nonsense
nothing in P2 made me cringe as bad as P4/P5's attempts at humor (except whatever the hell this was supposed to be)
you have a stronger will then me. Mishima nonsense and maya being a retarted ditz in literally every scene LITERALLY EVERY FRICKING SCENE stopped me from continuing.
and p4/5/and even 3 which doesn't really try that often have legitimately funny jokes in their runtimes. can we stop pretending its le cringe for 80 hours, because they're not.
also 2 is written in the most bizzare worse way i have ever seen a game written. like things just happen. at the start of the game when you awaken to your persona with mishima and lisa the literal first thought lisa has is to do a ritual to summon a entity nobody belives is real
huh?
what?
HUH?
I Had to stop and check a walkthough of the ps1 version to see if it was just the fan translation of the ps1 that was written like that
no its just like that. and the entire story is like that. there is very few reasons for anything to happen.
its combat is also just so goddamn slow and so goddamn easy it makes persona 5 look like smt4.
persona 2 is legitimately one of the worse smt games i ever had the displeasure to sit though and Ganker only likes it because its le epic old
2 years ago
Anonymous
>can we stop pretending its le cringe for 80 hours, because they're not.
P5 is
2 years ago
Anonymous
>maya being a retarted ditz
Take it back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think I hate it as much as you do, but I also find IS to be one of the worst MegaTen games and it's insane to me how much praise the story gets. It's a creative concept for a story, and there is the odd moment that works well, but the only consistently interesting part of it for me was the Philemon/Nyarlathotep stuff. EP is better overall, but I wasn't crazy about that either.
I cant be the only one, who thinks about characters beyond how they act in game? Like having a headcanon, but for the character. I mean, its not interesting to look at them as either mc dickriders or clowns, thats the limitation of japanese writing. Girls in p5 do not always act as dolls for mc, but they also do, because thats what expected from them by designers. Same is for Ryuji, i dont keep in mind that he might be a party jester, because thats the forced part made by writers.
Junpei easily, he can be a bro, but I like how he developed trough his dickish personality to the MC by growing as a person, and it feeling like I bonded with Junpei.
I really liked the scene at the near end of the game on the school rooftop, where MC and Junpei are just talking how the final battle is near, and him admitting how he was an ass to you, and asking if you are gonna be his friend afterwards.
Another cool way of showing character development is how he responds to you giving commands in battle, where before he would say "Alright, fine" in a neutral sort of way, but after his development, he would say "Gotcha!", it's small thing, but goes a long way of showing character development.
Also I really like Yosuke, he's a close second to Junpei, and he was overall a nice bro. I also like Ryuji but god damn he annoyed me sometimes, and especially when the writers just had to cram some shit between him and Morgana, but I still like him.
Just as a bonus question though; why is Makoto so popular? I genuinely don't get her popularity for the most part. It's not like I hate her but she isn't my favorite either
Not Ryuji.
Junpei got a hot gothic gf who sacrificed her life for him while yosuke and ryuji are laughing stocks
"Goth" may be the term you should be using, ESL-chama, "Gothic" refers to the Visigoths, a tribe of barbarians that sacked Rome.
None of those morons
>Fake ass goth 'best bro' when he doesn't even give Tatsuya BROjobs.
Fricking gay. Stand aside, clown.
>clown
You fricking did that on purpose and you are garbage for it.
>goth
Visual Kei
Junpei.
Eikichi is fun but being a P2 character doesn't mean that you are automatically better than nu-persona characters.
I love Junpei as a character the best but I love Yosuke as the best friend character when he’s actually taking things seriously. Chie and Yukiko, and Kanji are basically just spare men for killing shit but when it’s time to actually discuss what’s happening with the killer and all that, Yosuke is basically being the group leader for you. That part where you figure out the killer’s true identity has you, Naoto, and Yosuke discussing it.
I’d say Jun is the bro character of the game but I understand ppl liking Eikichi more, The old P2 universe absolutely fricking HATES Jun
I would definitely say Ryuji, but I might prefer Junpei as a character, I think they're both very good though. Yosuke is easily the one I like the least of them though.
Eikichi's likable but I think he's really boring as a character. I like the idea behind him but the execution of his story doesn't work at all for me and the whole thing with his ex-girlfriend didn't grab me in the slightest. I like that he has a guitar case machine gun though.
SPBP
Michel remembered in my EP playthrough. Can't believe I let best Persona bro down like that. That shit depressed me more than any other moment in the series.
Of those three, I'd personally go with Yosuke. Not that I have anything against the other two.
Eikichi's great too. 1 and 2 don't get enough love.
lisa is the better bro
Ryuji was the most competent and not a simp so him.
inb4 Fatlusgays seething
haha based Ryuji. look at that face of disappointment in panel 2.
He gets shafted during the second half of the game but he is pretty cool.
>there are people think this proves Ryuji and Ann have no potential as a couple
They objectively dont the frick. Joker steals all the b***hes.
Writers can still subtly ship characters while tampering with the self-insert fantasy.
*without
no they can't because otaku self inserter types are really autistic about that shit.
Persona is all about fellating the wet blanket MC, there's no potential at all there. That scene is literally just there to tell sensitive otaku "Hey, Ryuji is never getting with Ann, so don't be scared!"
Of course and those otaku are dumb, Ryuji not being a simp would make him MORE attractive to a hot chick like Ann who would been used to simp behavior like Morgana's.
>being a shippergay
>in a game with a self-insert that get all the b***hes
you sound like a genshingay. Tell me your favorite ship there
but I think I guess all of them including your ships in Persona too
>shipgayging in persona
You know, the only one I genuinely like is KanjiXNaoto
It's not something I personally do but people will notice if two actual characters have 'chemistry'. Just saying Ryuji rejecting Ann there for would grant more legitimacy to a pairing than take away from it if this weren't a self-insert fantasy, but it is. But hell, if they had to be reassured, that means there is something to Ryuji and Ann's relationship that would give players the "wrong" idea.
If anything I think that makes them couple material. Not putting her on a pedestal and treating her like a real person instead of simping.
Or it makes him gay, dude is an idiot and doesn't know how to read the room.
Holy fricking based chaduji putting the post wall roastoid in her place. I thought you guys said this was just an incel self insert fantasy game...
Ryuji is entirely responsible for your team's identity getting revealed on multiple occasions. He is objectively the LEAST competent.
>moron protagonist puts phone on speaker phone instead of just hanging up
>moron protagonist doesn’t simply just MURDER the homosexual “detective” trying to murder him and his friends
>moron protagonist gets found out that he is a phantom thief by literally ALL of his confidants
But tell us more about how Ryuji is at fault, moron.
He literally gets called out for it by other characters moron. Ryuji sucks.
Junpei > Ryuji > Yosuke
You know, I don't really like P5 models. They are all flat and similar. And the fact that all females are as flat as a washboard doesn't help.
Ryujis a homosexual confirmed.
Junpei
ryuji deserved better
Junpei without a doubt
Junpei without a doubt (Even though he was a fricking Westaboo)
Junpei wasn't the best bro. But he is the best character among those. It's for sure.
Junpei hands down. Yosuke and Ryuji are whiny gays.
i haven't played 3 yet (I will when it comes to PC, PS5, or switch) but out of 4 and 5 it's a tough call they're both good.
Our boy Iori aka the ace defective
more like STUPEI, ACE DEFECTIVE
Stupid homosexual little wienersucker
How could she say it to him bros? Think the new translation team will remove the line?
worst girl
Junpei has an arc and actually improves as a person
Yosuke is designed to be the buttmonkey
Ryuuji's alright, but I feel like the game makes him out to be a bad guy for things like the Morgana incident when he doesn't really do anything wrong.
I agree about Ryuji, but I always felt Morgana was in the wrong as Morgana is trash.
Definitely Junpei. Ryuji comes close, but the way P4 and P5 handles party social links means that he's hit with the same issue of most of his character development being optional and ignored by the main plot. Yosuke can go frick himself. He's a total c**t to absolutely everyone and then turns around and sucks your wiener incessantly. Just the worst.
Junpei is the only actual character there so him
Yusuke
Junpei is a moron and Ryuji is a b***h
But Yusuke the best boy is not in OP's pic moronic p4gay
DA MAN
Junpei was shoe horned in to the "best bro" role; he was insufferable.
Yosuke was fun but he's too much of a suck up
Ryuji is objectively the best 🙂
Junpei isn't your bro at all though. Ryuji and Yosuke actually invite you hang out, keep your secrets, and try to be your wingman on occasion. Junpei on the other hand doesn't even like for most of the game and he's closer to Akihiko and Ryoji than he is to you. Hell even the female protagonist is better friends with Junpei
Are you a female or something? Guys rag on each other constantly
The problem is Junpei doesn't just 'rag' on you a little. He avoids you, is super passive-aggressive, gets extremely jealous over leadership even though it's explained quite a few times why you're a better leader. Don't get me wrong, I like all of this since it does lead to an actual arc for him and feels natural especially compared to the forced Ryuuji/Morgana conflict bullshit but he doesn't truly befriend you for awhile.
Considering P3 MC has a specific circumstance and is particularly aloof that might piss some people off with his attitude and lack of an emotive response. And there are plenty of insecure tards that get offended by these little things either in Ganker or other sites. Junpei in the end is just a high school boy. He is not a full fledged adult so he needs some time, that's all.
okay but he's still not your friend
Of course he's not. He's a fricking 2d and I'm not a disgusting selfinserter. He's still a good lad and actually a level-headed guy in the Answer.
This. People forget this a lot. I do like Junpei as a character but he is very much not really your friend for most of the game and you dont really get much time to bond with him unless you're the FeMC.
>he is very much not really your friend for most of the game
And that's a good thing. That why I love the P3 cast the most, they're just co-workers dealing with their own shit for the most part.
It's Ryuji, despite how much the game mistreats him.
I like Junpei a lot but I agree with in that he just isn't as close to the MC to be a true bro character.
Yosuke is a fricking idiot.
I guess Yosuke. He's a kiss-ass and frankly needed someone besides fricking Teddiie to hang out with, but he is your bro, and the punch out by the river was a nice moment.
This, Junpei's a dick to you up until the point where he gets a girl and mellows out a little. But really it's only after Chidori dies that he matures, but then he's not really a bro to you because you're dead.
I think people forget that the dormmates (that you don't frick) in P3 aren't really your friends, they're your coworkers. That eventually changes, but you don't really hang out or anything until the very end of the game. I think that's part of what made them better characters.
Non-canon.
Everything in that post outside the specific mention of FEMC applies to the regular game, not just P3P, dumbass.
I haven't played P3P but isn't Junpei a potential romance? Does that have any interaction with the Chidori arc?
Nope. If you try to romance him, he'll gently friendzone you though he is flattered.
He "no way gay"s you at the end I believe, been a bit since I played P3P.
You can't romance him. You can try but he friendzones you. There is how ever some cut dialouge of Junpei confessing his love for you at the end of the game like the other boys do in NG+ implying that he was at some point
Junpei's character arc involves his own love interest, so no, he cannot become one of Femc's.
Junpei is one of the best characters atlus probably ever designed. But you are 100% right. Junpei was not your bro at the start nor at the end of the game.
He is a prime example of good character development though, and the fact he isn't there just to be your personal ass kisser still puts him above both yosuke and ryuji if you ask me
Yosuke is the best of the three, he has some pretty deep conversations with you and opens up about shit, I honestly imagine this is what having a true best friends feels like
And that character development means jack shit because it happens in the closed universe of his S.Link. All that growth vanishes in the main story
PARTY MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN S.LINKS outside of romances
This would be a tremendous undertaking but they should have the main story change based on what you accomplish in each of your social links. it's certainly possible and would make playthroughs very unique.
Atlus is too lazy for that.
that's moronic. I don't want to hang out with some randos like the fat frick in P3 or Kenji. I want to hang out with the people I spend the majority of the game with
This. P3 had some alright social links, but a vast majority of them, mostly with schoolmates like Kenji, were shit, and you didn't give a single shit about the character.
People pushing the no development thing is dumb, because in P4/P5 the party members have their development/realization before they join the group and then their social link/coop is following up on that development/realization. It doesn't play into the main plot because it doesn't need to play into the main plot.
P5 had no single memorable S.Link
I thought P5 had great Confidants. Ohya's probably the worst and even she's not that bad.
this is mega cope the goth doctor and the teacher are more talked about than any of P3's shitty slinks
>not liking Yakuza bro or the politician
come on now, Yakuza bro literally saves your ass in the epilogue.
Nah. I'd say overall the coops were the strongest that they had ever been in P5. People remember more of the non-party member coops compared to P3/P4.
Wow what did Kenji ever do to you?
The bulk of character development is still in the story in the character's introductory arcs and they don't behave in an inconsistent manner between story and S. Link. Having S. Links with party members for reflections on their arc in the story and learning more about the character is a lot more interesting than having S. Links with the likes of Bebe and Kenji. It would be nice to have more of a dynamic between how the main story and how the S. Link has progressed though.
both sides of this debate are moronic
character development doesn't need to be plot-relevant to be meaningful, it just needs to not contradict the plot
also P3's moonbro is the best link in the game.
P3's Moon is just an unabashed butthole. I don't think it's the worst because it's memorable for how they just give you an S. Link with someone totally unlikeable the whole way through, but he's still a shithead.
I'm not saying it needs to be plot relevant, but having pretty much all of their growth in an S.Link just completely takes me out of the moment when they regress once the main story kicks in again.
I personally maintain party member S.Links should be mandatory for the game, and if you wanna date one of them, just add a + for it or some shit.
Mandatory might be going too far, but I'd gladly see them impacting story cutscenes and interactions. Maybe make them mandatory for true ending.
>Junpei isn't your bro at all though
>Posts P3P where Junpei is an even bigger bro than before
What did it mean by this?
you didn't read the whole post
Reading is for losers.
This is so true. Junpei envy you the moment you get to be the party leader. He only starts respecting you in the last three or two months of the game.
Until death comes knocking and he panics, and blames you for everything, becoming a raging butthole again
Doesn't he apologize almost right after though? And honestly this was the least mad I was at him in the game. I'd be stressed and resentful as frick too if i knew everyone was about to die soon and we couldn't do anything about it.
I believe he makes amends before the dungeon begins, but I can't see how you'd be the least mad at the interaction
I understand that it's UNDERSTANDABLE but man after all the fricking attitude through the entire game, I was so fricking sick of him, that it just made it worse
Mostly because it wasn't envy or inadequacy this time - he was just scared like everyone was. If he was just being a bitter frick for the same shit as earlier though, yeah, I'd be a bit pissed at him too. Hell i actually was until my 3rd playthrough.
>I understand that it's UNDERSTANDABLE but man after all the fricking attitude through the entire game, I was so fricking sick of him, that it just made it worse
Weren't there 3 or 4 major parts where Junpei treats MC like shit out of jealousy, then he grows up and they made up just so he pulls that shit one more final time? Not even getting laid fixed him.
to be fair junpei was even nervous the fricking dog was going to outshine him.
the guy never had a shot
Junpei might be the last persona party member that's dating someone who's not (You)
In a choice between those three, Ryuji. But the actual best bro in each game has never been a party member.
Yosuke. I wish they implemented his growth in the S.Link in the actual game but it really does shines in P4arena's story and the manga.
what an absolute chad
I was honestly surprised how much I liked Yosuke and Labrys by the end of Arena.
Too bad that gets dropped like a rock in Ultimax and Labrys starts to idolize Chad Ziodynewiener
I liked TeddieXLabrys far more.
best bro coming through
Junpei obviously, he doesn’t ride your dick like the other two
Junpei
making party members social links was a mistake
My problem with Yosuke and Ryuji though I like them both is that they're forced to be the buttmonkey so the self-insert protagonist can shine and have no real competition as a man surrounded by potential love-interests and as 'the hero'. It actually leaves a bad taste in my mouth how much they get shit on just so the protagonist looks that better in comparison when it's actually unnecessary. That scene of Ryuuji getting beat to shit by the girls after saving everyone's life especially sickens me.
>That scene of Ryuuji getting beat to shit by the girls after saving everyone's life especially sickens me.
i wanted to kick all the women out of the group after that
They should have given us an option to respond sympathetically to Ryuji. I wanted to ditch the group and take him for Ramen.
Japs must really love their buttmonkeys being shit on for them to ruin a heartfelt, emotional moment with cheap tonal shifting bullshit.
They had to have the girls do that because there is NO WAY a guy putting his life at risk to save his friends while pulling off an insane feat like that even with his leg injury wouldn't have soaked every pair of panties in the vicinity and the needed to protect the player's ego.
Autistic self-inserters will unironically feel threatened by the joke side character otherwise
Ryuuji really should've gotten together with Ann or something. Fine if the MC gets a harem or n-times most of the female population, but just give the supporting cast some meaningful relationships. I thought P5 really fricking failed at giving any of your party members any kind of life outside of what they were doing with you.
Ryuji should have sacrificed his life and died.
I thought P5 did fine with that, it gave some screentime to characters from outside Joker's perspective, which was nice to see after P4 where it's almost all from Yu's perspective so you don't see the rest of the group on their own ever outside of one brief moment with Yosuke and Teddie, and the Mementos dialogue has characters talking about doing things that gives a sense of what they're doing in their spare iem without Joker. I think it could have stood to have more scenes outside Joker's perspective, and I also think it came close to doing something that would have beenr eally good in that you could see Ann and Makoto out together on their own at one point, but they just do it that once which is better than not doing it at all, but they really should have done it more.
Ryuji easily, if anyone of you dumb fricks has actually had actual friends you know that Ryuji is a bro that will actually stand by you, and would throw a punch if you were in danger, Even if he's the dumbest of the 3. The other 2 are cool bros don't get me wrong but Ryuji is a straight fricking rider.
>Calls out komshida face to face, doesn't get raped and bullied like a pussy
>Runs the bomb on the arc to save the whole squad. Doesn't die but is willing to make the sacrifice without a second thought
He's a dumb fricking bastard, but goddamn if that character doesn't have a heart of solid gold.
I agree with your post and respect your opinion as a fellow Ryuji enjoyer
Yeah gotta agree. The group's dynamic before adding Makoto was great. Went down the toilet after that.
Why did Makoto have to ruin everything
How does P4G run on PC release?
Can we expect locked 30fps with the P3P PC port? Just like SMT3
Bro the trailer clearly shows it runs at 60fps.
True but wrong thread, anon
Junpei was the best written
I agree
Junpei > Yosuke > Ryuji
They're all well-written but destined to be shit on.
The one with the biggest dick
>Junpei: Magician
>Yosuke: Magician
>Ryuji: Chariot, not a Magician
Of course he's a different character archetype.
So you want to put Morgana up there instead?
Yes, Morgana has the same archetype as the other two clowns, as he's the Magician. Magicians are impulsive, immature, and bad with girls. Over the course of the story they grow up and become reliable partner figures.
Anon LMAO what is this shitty boomer game?
We're talking about the Persona trilogy here fr no cap.
Junpei because he gets to have a goth gf
yosoke should have been a romance option
He was going to be which really neatly explains his homophobia around Kanji because he, at least initially, was secretly a repressed bisexual and was projecting hard.
Kanji is dope as hell he is the only well written homosexual in video games. Western devs cant write homosexuals.
Kanji is not a homosexual though
his fricking shadow persona is some cross dressing chad robot thing with 2 male mars symbols homie cmon he likes wiener
t. didn't play the game and only saw a YouTube walk through
>this man is not a homosexual
lmao is that how you justify that you didnt had gay sex at the gay bar bro?
Shadows are exaggerated fears. Kanji feared he was gay and that his liking cute stuff made him weird and because of that no one would ever accept him. Even him ragging on girls is less about sexuality and more his bad experiences of girls especially making fun of him
I kinda hope they bring these kinds of shadows back and let us talk shit to them
Cause he THINKS he's a gay you dumbass, unironically society made him believe he might like guys and he can't cope with that, until you beat the boss and he realizes that it doesn't matter, and that it's fine to enjoy girly shit as a dude.
Shadows are exaggerated fears of the person they come from. Kanji fears that he's gay because he likes cute stuff and was attracted to Naoto who he though was a guy. So his shadow larps as an aggressively gay Kanji to frick with him.
It annoys me to no end to watch homosexual streamers completely miss this point and just project their gay agenda on him; shit makes me want to puke.
They're exaggerations but not total falsehoods. Kanji is kinda fruity, Rise is a bit loose, Yukiko is a spoiled brat to some degree. They have to agree with that much because the shadows are only full blown stereotypes because they've been denying there's any truth to it.
They're not fears homie they're repressed aspects of their personality.
Jungian Shadows are affected by how one feels they are perceived by society.
It's a little bit of both, isn't it? It's a repressed part of yourself exaggerated into a caricature you're terrified of other people seeing.
Dumb ass
It's how he thinks people would view him if they knew about his hobbies and interests. You missed the point.
yea right dude thats why he blushes because Akihiko Chad is shirtless
>Arena
>canon
Cope because I won the argument lmao fricking homosexuals
Kanji = homosexual confirmed even the devs think he runs to 3rd base and yes Arena has the CANNON personalities of the characters deal with it.
>He thinks Arena ISN'T canon
Lol. The Golden brings it up and the only reason why Dojima isn't playable is because Atlus didn't want to make a non-canon game.
>The Golden
>Canon
Frick off bandwagging fanboy
>bandwagging
Lol are you fricking moronic?
No, YOU are a bandwagoning moron.
>liking golden
>with the worst va of all time playing chie
kek
Why did they lose the original Chie anyway? The new one is just awful
She ruined devil survivor too. Definitely fricking someone.
Because the old one didn't fit Chie's actual character, which is blatantly obvious if you played it subbed.
lmao what the frick is that explanation? You're saying the original dub was innaccurate? So what, that's not a problem when the so-called "accurate" version is objectively worse. It's the same shit as with Metal Gear Solid 1 being well written due to the liberties the translators took and the actual direct translation is objectively worse.
Neither does this one.
Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
>Energetic=/=shrill ear piercing c**t I can't believe chie gays defend this shit.
They aren't chie-gays tehy're just bandwagonning morons. Actual Chie gays know the original dub was superior.
I've seen Chie spammed all up and down this board as a quintessential tomboy waifu. I watched subbed clips, and I thought I understood what all the fuss was about. After buying and beating P4G I could only conclude that Chie's American VA is like running a rusty cheese grater across an out-of-tune violin. I cannot stand her voice.
im with the one anon. old chie literally doesn't fit her actual character
i mean her old voice is hotter but new chie does fit her loud MEAT MEAT MEAT MEAT KUNGFU shit more
She's not even the worst VA in the same game, anon.
Objectively wrong.
I'm not gonna mass reply but everyone saying yosuke is a female or homosexual who downloaded the gay mod.
Anon, I don't give a flying frick what she said on Twitter or whatever the frick you hate her for.
I don't even know her name much less her twitter handle. She'll never frick you by the way.
>using English voices
>he plays with english voices
Chie’s new voice is perfect. She has a level of energy that reminds me of my high school gf.
Arena is confirmed to be canon though?
Okay but isn't that game consistently
>hey don't you want to rape your cousin?
>ill kill you
>oh actually i was saying how are you today
As far as I know kanji think akihiko is saying he want to rape him in that jacket.
>A spin-off fighting game is canon
>arena
Post q next.
yeah but by your logic thats make rise a stripper that wants to get fricked by everyone in the room
....She does.
I see where the Persona fans never played the game meme comes from.
Hey, are you calling me strange?
Way to miss the fricking point. Dude was terrified at the possibility that his gender divergent hobbies made him homosexual.
No, he is insecure about being seen as less of a man for not fitting a manly man mold. He associates homosexuality with being a sissy and the notion of being attracted to a guy would blow a hole into the aggressively masculine facade he's been trying to build up to deal with his insecurity. The bara dudes his shadow transforms are a mockery of his simple-mindedness because being big muscle man is also a gay stereotype in Japan.
Shadows literally hate the truth, that's why they go nuts when told "You're not me!", because it's true. None of the shadows are accurate representations of their hosts. They are a tiny grain of truth warped and exaggerated with fears, insecurities, and surface level prejudice and assumptions from the masses. The midnight channel itself is formed from what people want to see, it's not a window into the soul, it's wishful thinking from curious onlookers. Accepting your shadow requires literally beating the lies and misconceptions out of it to grasp the truth within.
>Shadows hate the truth
Shadows love the truth moron, what Shadows want most of all is to be accepted which is why they embrace rumors projected unto them.
>shadows love the truth which is why they embrace blatant lies
They embrace lies that let them act out and tease the truth. What a shadow desires is to be acknowledged.
No. The shadow DOESNT want to be acknowledged. It WANTS to be denied. Have you never played these games?
Have you? Shadows are problem childs that throw a tantrum because they've been denied. It's how it's so easy for them to be manipulated by the evil God of the week.
They only gain independence when they are denied. That’s why they egg on the originator until they deny them. Even if you were some sort of double digit i moron who somehow missed this, they explain it explicitly in Arena.
The shadows in arena are not the individual shadows but Kagutsuchi pulling the old Nyarly special, since he is everyone's shadows he can take on their form to taunt them, however they do not get returned to their user they are just Kagutsuchi
No. How I described it is how they describe specifically Labrys’s shadow, which is actually her shadow.
Labrys's shadow is the only one who is an actual shadow but she gets acknowledged like all the others and becomes Ariadne
>They only gain independence when they are denied. That’s why they egg on the originator until they deny them.
This. This is what I’m saying. Shadows don’t want you to accept them. They want you to deny them so they can gain independence from the host.
But what I'm saying is that what they really want is to be acknowledged. Being denied and throwing a tantrum is their way of validating their existence BECAUSE they aren't being acknowledged, but ultimately they cannot exist as a fragment of the ego. What a shadow desires is that their true self will accept them.
No. What the shadow wants is independence. The persona is the beast within tamed, but the second you lose control, it turns on you again. The natural state of the shadow is conflict with the originator because it WANTS to be free, not accepted.
The shadow will turn on you because you stop acknowledging it again. So long as you accept yourself, become your true self, the shadow is happy to take your side. See P1 and P5, a shadow's first course of action is not to break free but to turn to themselves to be let loose.
The best way to put this is that the Shadow wants to be anything EXCEPT a Shadow. If you accept it, great, it gets to be your Persona; if you reject it, it's more than happy to kill you and become its own person.
A shadow is the aspect of someone's personality they refuse to show even to themselves, it is literally the unacknowledged shadow. In Persona games that shadow wants to be seen, it wants to be known. When a shadow is denied it can finally act as it's own existence "you're not me therefore I am me, I don't need you to be me". But a shadow will always be a part of that person, to deny it is a lie that only hurts both, a shadow will always return to a heart that will acknowledge their existence.
Shadows hate truth. They only become a problem when ignored. This is true in both psychology and in the game. In the game it’s like some sort of weird analogy disassociation disorder when they are denied.
YOU SAYIN' HE LIKES DUDES?
Junpei > having no "bro" at all > Yusuke > shit > Ryuji
Stupei since you actually have to earn his admiration so the friendship feels stronger. Yosuke is hopping on your dick from the moment you meet him and Ryuji is just a tard.
>Yosuke is hopping on your dick from the moment you meet him
He doesn't really. It's just him latching onto someone from the city so he feels there's some common ground there and feels like everyone else secretly hates him because his father. Which turns out to be true.
no you can't actually play persona 4 and understand the characters, you have to regurgitate Ganker opinions how dare you
Also Yosuke will literally murder a dude against your wishes if you can't convince him correctly
>manga even has him stop Yu from killing Namatame just so he can DO IT HIS FRICKING SELF
How dare you pay attention to the characters! You should be parroting moronic opinions on Ganker, not using your brain!
Jumpei by far
The Ace Detective
Junpei is the best written but Ryuji was straight up willing to sacrifice himself for his friends without any hesitation, which is the most bro thing you can do.
Junpei BROri
BROsuke Hanamura
Ryuji SakaBROto
All three are great.
junpei easily
Junpei, because he's Da man!
In all fairness, they're all great.
Junpei did not care much about Minato after he became a fricking door, and he always felt pretty distant as a main bro in general.
Yosuke was a big improvement. He is kind of the gaygiest of the three, but I like how sometimes he held his own ground and went against MCs decisions, like when he wants to throw the dude in the tv for killing Nanako.
Ryuji is clearly the most realistic bro of the three, and its that one friend everyone had in high school. He has his issues that he doesnt talk about but he genuinely enjoys hanging out with you, and might even see you as a brother. Though he being an idiot who just follows whatever you say, while not very realistic might be cool if you think of it as him fully trusting you.
So honestly it depends. Objectively, I will have to say Yosuke is the best overall, but subjectively I like Ryuji the most and would be the one I enjoy having as best friend.
He is the one that would probably throw himself in front of a bullet for you.
>master1200
Fricking moronic eop zoomer
homie what the frick are you talking about
If you don't know pixiv don't reply moronic homosexual
yosuke is a fricking clown
They're all really fantastic. During The Answer, Junpei felt like the only one who was understanding of Door-kun's resolve from the get-go and how serious the situation was. He's able to stay relatively level-headed and not jump to extremes. Yosuke is pretty much the leader of the IT and he really shines in Arena where he's a goddamn superhero for Labrys, who's the best girl in 4. Ryuji has a few moments and he's a chill guy, but I feel like he hasn't really gotten his big moment aside from that one scene after the Ark.
Feels good to beat 3 persona fanboy otaku nerds on an argument. I can probably beat them the frick up irl too at the same time. I'm much more based than them.
Kanji.
Kanji = best girl. I'll fight anybody who says otherwise.
Yosuke because I played P4 first.
>muh canon
Story gays ruined gaming.
Yosuke will always be the #1 bro. Junpei is a better character but he's not really your bro, he's a reluctant friend. Ryuji I don't remember much but he felt closer to Ann then you as the MC
I feel like Ryuji is only liked by americans.
Yeah because he is an obnoxious homosexual that gets cucked. Very relatable to Americans
Everyone who's not the MC gets cucked in Persona starting from 3.
>inb4 Junpei and Chidori
Junpei got cucked by death itself. The ultimate and final NTR villain.
Ryuji is consistently always on the bottom of P5 polls and Junpei is always at the bottom in P3 polls. The only Persona bro that's actually popular in Japan is Yosuke
>joker at the top of the poll
Give me one reason to not disregard it for this alone? I bet Yu tops the p4 polls too.
Ryuji is loud and obnoxious with no filter and no concept of reading the room. Of course he's going to be hated in Japan, it's not just fujos. Of course he's going to be more well liked in America because that behaviour isn't as negative. They may as well have made Ryuji the foreigner instead of Ann because he's pretty much every "obnoxious foreign tourist" stereotype rolled up into one.
Now that you mentioned it, I got the impression he was more of a typical rebellious delinquent while playing p5. If he was the protagonist of a delinquent series he would have been based and had more positive traits.
Ryuji is a shonen idiot hero and thats gotten old.
just ignore the protagonists and look at everything else
>elizabeth that low
>no junpei
>no ken
Ryuji bros, what the frick...
Japan has no taste so it's okay
Ryuji fans clearly have no sense of taste either of they think ryuji is a good character.
>>>>bros
That's fujo voting for you
only half the voters were female
>Self insert is number 1
Japan's shit taste never ceases to amaze me.
Yosuke is so cute bros
>off model
It's okay when the creator does it
Yosuke, for being the only bro who's actually not moronic
Besides Naoto, he's actually the smartest and most competent in the group when you pay attention, being confirmed to be Yu's equal in many regards. Shame he's forced to pretend to be moronic so much even if it is just a cope personality.
Yosuke gets to CLANG CLANG so he wins by default.
I liked Yosuke
Hes sort of a projection of Yus character because Yu is more or less a silent protagonist and Yosuke ends up narrating the story. He doesnt really get credit for being a leader. He starts off as a little annoying but it kinda hits hard when you realize he is the way he is because he doesnt want to be alone.
Kanji is a homosexual, the point is he shouldn't care what anyone thinks about him and should bee himself, he has friends who will accept him anyway. Of course Ganker is full of insecure tards and think it's about "not being gay". Kanji would be attracted to Naoto even if she actually was a boy.
Brosuke has a brain so he wins.
It's slim pickings but Junpei by a long mile considering he actually had a character arc that didn't depend on hanging on the player characters dick 24/7. Yosuke and Ryuji blew their character load in the first dungeon and remained relatively useless to the plot except to be the punching bag for the team.
>remained relatively useless to the plot except to be the punching bag for the team.
Yosuke is basically the team leader when Yu can’t speak. He has good deductive reasoning and a knack for planning and strategy, even if he is a little impulsive. Hell, the Investigation Team in general all have their uses.
>Chie is good at sniffing out rumors, gossip, etc., and occasionally hits a bullseye with her wild theories. Unfortunately, she's also a bit impetuous and sometimes has trouble following things.
>Yukiko has a non-linear thinking style that allows her to look at things from different angles. Unfortunately, sometimes, it takes her a while to do this, as she figures out Naoto's motive after Naoto's already been kidnapped.
>Kanji can be surprisingly insightful at times, and is often the one who keeps the group focused on what they can control instead of what they cannot. His hot-headed nature can be distracting, though.
>Teddie knows the ins and outs of the TV world, and how Shadows behave, but knows next to nothing about the human world.
>Rise is the most socially sensitive of the group, giving her great insight into people's feelings and their behavior.
>Naoto, being an actual detective, is perceptive, well-read, and great at logical reasoning. However, she has a problem of consistently not sharing her ideas with the rest of the gang.
It’s why when they actually discuss things through and come at a problem with their different strengths, they’re a really damn effective team.
I like how Kanji has a tendency to cut straight to the heart of the matter where his more intelligent teammates might be inclined to wallow in angst. He points out that the fact that they saved two people is quite good in and of itself, tells them it's too soon to give up just because a third person got murdered, and says that beating themselves over what happened when Nanako is hospitalized doesn't do any good.
One thing I appreciate about P4 is how none of the party members feel like that they’re just because and contributes positively towards the overall group dynamic and problem solving even beyond their introductions. Ken and Haru are examples of what I feel when wasted party member potential comes to mind.
I don't think Ken is really a wasted party member, he's a pretty important part of the Akihiko/Shinjiro/Ken story and the game relies a lot on character arcs over the main plot so I'd say his importance to that gives him a meaningful role overall. Haru's a bit of a waste, but for me it's mainly just because her arc is hijacked by Morgana. I like her as part of the group after that, even if it's short-lived.
True enough but outside of that, he doesn’t really contribute much outside of being potential muscle, which could be contributed to P3’s plot leaning more towards stopping the apocalypse than stopping a murder mystery.
Holy shit someone actually paid attention to the game.
Glad they threw Yosuke a bone in the fighting game and had him win
Yosuke actually fricking rules, but unfortunately it hardly ever shows due to him not being the coolest monkey in the jungle when the entire Investigation Team is in a room (most of that charisma is vacuumed by The Protagonist, unfortunately). I got a kick out of P4: The Magician and finding out small details like him listening to Western movie OSTs on his headphones.
The overall idea of a boonies murder mystery being tackled by two city boys initially is something I find humorous, in hindsight.
Haven't played P5, but I know I enjoyed Yosuke more than Junpei both as a character and party member back when I played the games on PS2. Which is why I was sort of surprised to see how much people disliked him online but I can see why people may diss him for being a suckup or that friend who constantly makes uninitiated jabs at you
Yosuke gets shit here because he's popular everywhere else. This is the case with a lot of things on Ganker
Nah, I've seen the dislike long on other sites back when P4 was still new too. That said, a good deal of it outside Ganker was from people who shout homophobic at everything so I take their opinions with a grain of salt
funny how half the fan base calls him gay while the other half think he's homophobic
Yosuke and its not even close between those three
the devil survivor guy is still the best bro
Based Atsubrochad
Never agreed with his ending though where they relinquish demon control to the fricking government, but outside of that he's the only one who sticks by you the entire game and is a decent physical unit
I always found his ending extremely moronic to what you have to do to unlock it
>Hey we just uncovered a plot from the government to nuke tokyo with microwaves and if that fails they will call the angels to finish the job, let's give the power of demons to this same government!
He is still super based due to actually being useful without input from the MC and sticking with you even on the king of bel ending unlike that wench Yoohoo
I've never liked Atsuro, his personality's just boring and him following you no matter what just makes him look spineless, not like a bro. He's obviously not okay with it when you kill people in the Overlord path but he just moans about it and goes along with it anyway. It just makes him look like a b***h, even Yuzu has enough sack to stand up to you when she thinks you're doing the wrong thing.
Yosuke’s a good dude
Wholesome as hell
It's a weird relationship, being friends with the guy whose dead sister you had a crush with, considering her comments inside her mini dungeon, I would imagine Saki complained about Yosuke to Naoki all the time, she was kind of a b***h.
>considering her comments inside her mini dungeon
It's been a while since I played P4, but I got the impression those were just the remaining echoes of her deep inner thoughts from her shadow self or something, stuff that she did not actually say out loud to others
Considering how passive-agressively she shits on Yosuke while alive, I dont think those echoes were that exxagerated.
based Adachi for killing this miserable b***h
>what do you mean a high school girl won’t sleep with me, a guy in my mid thirties? Fricking prostitute!
I think Adachi was in his late twenties.
>junpei
>bro
Dude hated your guts and was ridiculously jealous of you
he gets better and legitimately becomes a bro
Not really. I never liked him anyway. My team consisted of Mitsuru/Aigis/Yukari.
It goes Junpei > Ryuji > Yosuke and it's not even fricking close.
Ryuji>Junpei>>>>>>>homo
Junpei is an actual character but not as much of a bro
Yosuke is a literal dicksucker in the whole sense of the word
Ryuji is the best bro even if it is the comedic relief of the game unjustified but nonetheless
None of those, that's for sure
Shinji for P3
Kanji for P4
Yosuke for P5
>Shinji
you barely interact with him unless you're the girl
And?
>yosuke in p5
yosukebros we made it!
>Kanji for P4
Kanji is the best but unlike Yosuke who is your "partner", Kanji straight up idolizes Yu, same as Teddie, for good reason, mind you, but is hard to feel that camaraderie and instead feels more like a fan.
I see it more as Yu being an older brother figure to Kanji who wants a strong, older, supportive male figure in his life that he lost once his father died. You're his a senior and he sees you as such and wants you to be proud and accept him for who he is
Ryuji by far. Junpei always gets salty at you not being a general slob/degen. Yosuke is a virgin and a half, and laughs at shit that isn't funny. Ryuji is annoying at first, but once he's your friend, he'll help hook you up with the perfect girl, and he'd quite literally take a bullet for you if he had to choose between you and himself. Ryuji is the fricking best. Even if he does say "For Real?!" way too fricking much. He's a lovable moron, and frick anyone who disagrees.
Junpei might not have been the bestest bro to the MC, but I respect him the most as a character which retroactively makes me like him more than the other two.
>tfw P4RG will never be finished and I'll never be able to romance my dashing Yosuke
>tfw the P4G Yosuke romance mod will probably be finished and I'll have to get my fix with a disgusting gay story
>P4RG
What’s that? Persona 4 Really Gay?
https://gamebanana.com/wips/52673
Persona 4 Rose Gold
the FeMC mod for P4G
believe it or not there are TERF women on Ganker
that is the ugliest FeMC I've ever seen and that male Margaret looks like a troony
I wonder why P3 is the only game with a female protagonist
>What is Persona2 Eternal Punishment?
>Persona2
Persona started at 3.
It's the only one with two re-releases and they probably felt just having Persona 3 but portable wasn't enough to make P3P worthwhile so they put in the FeMC as well. They already did a Golden/Royal style expansion with FES so they weren't going to do that again for Portable.
because according to the director Persona 3's plot allowed for a possible female protagonist while P4 and P5's plot did not
Honestly, with how hard Atlus markets the protagonists and sells their design, I don't see P6 doing a gender selection option.
Personally I don't see how the character's sex has anything to do with coming from the big city to a small town. I wonder if they made up that excuse on the fly?
to be fair. it is a lot of work. half of these games are a vn and your gender should determine how people treat you affecting every single vn aspect. its like rewriting the game twice.
western games allow female character choices by simply not having a difference. its just a character model swap which just isn't realistic or special
A lot of the context of the protagonists relationships, especially among their party, is based partially around their gender. Also P5 especially would need to be super different because Joker being a girl would dramatically change the connotations of her situation and relationships with some of the villains, like Kamoshida and Shido.
>FeMC Persona 5 opens up with Shido trying to grope you, and you're punished for defending yourself.
That'd be really fricked up honestly.
I can see why it would be too much effort, but it would've left a hell of an impression.
Yeah it’s probably way too dark right off the bat to be palatable to general audiences.
wow this looks awful, i thought trannies and leftists were supposed to be good at art and charater design.
Philemon
No
Ryuji actually risked his life to safe his team, unlike anyone else. Yosuke is just a closet homosexual to chill with. Junpei actually fricking hates you during parts of the game and has his own thing going on with Chidore. So regardless of how bro they stack up during the game Ryuji quite literally attempted to sacrifice himself to save everyone from Shido's palace. The only thing that comes close is when your party, one at a time, pushes Yu out of the way to tank a scripted death hit. Which applies to everyone in game and not really a character in specific.
>Ryuji quite literally attempted to sacrifice himself to save everyone from Shido's palace
Dont forget that he is the one distributing the calling cards at the beggining and almost got ran over in order to get a taxi to save Makoto.
Have you faced yourself Ganker?
Who is the Bro of P1? Mark, Brown or Reiji?
Nanjo
I'd say Mark fills the role that Eikichi/Junpei/Ryuji do, but Nanjo's by far the most likeable male party member in my eyes.
Best bro
>idol
>loves eating
>mixed
>loves karate
When is Atlus going to stop regurgitating Ginko's traits for every female character?
Junpei by far.
I like Junpei so it's him by default. He grows on you as person
Yosuke is alright he seems like your average yes-friend
I don't like how Ryuji gets treated as trash even on serious situations. Le peak Japanese humour is not funny
>I don't like how Ryuji gets treated as trash even on serious situations.
This. The scene after the cruise ship palace collapses is so goddamn stupid. He saved the group and gets smacked for it.
Didn't he say the girls had ugly crying faces or something? Still a stupid scene regardless, but it's not like they just randomly beat him.
They beat him because they were upset at him for making them think he might have died which is moronic, but that's Japanese humor.
Just rewatched it. I misremembered when he made that face comment. That really is a fricking terrible scene.
It really gives a bad aftertaste. If it was some social link or school event shit then maaaaybe, but it's a story scene right after taking care of the "final dungeon" Palace, for frick's sake.
Poor dude had his "time to shine again" moment with his track team experience even after his leg injury with that daring escape, and gets beat up as a reward. Bad, bad Atlus.
No he just said to Ann specifically her crying face is 'so not cute' and not even in an mean way he was just confused if anything. He wasn't beat up for something he said. They were just upset at him for seeming dead but...surviving?? and took it out on him. Shit was awful.
Junpei
i wonder if there will be a retranslation patch for p5 when it comes to pc. i noticed it in p5 strikers where you have characters speaking like an ESL
https://www.personaproblems.com/
>he hasn't learned Japanese yet
The only patch needed is the one that restores the proper dialog for those homosexual predators.
Junpei, the guy wasn't a total moron like Yosuke, or an annoying brah dude like Ryuji, he was just the right amount of likeable dumbass , also the dudes in persona 4 and 5 are unironic trannies
Uhhhh, P3 bros? You mind explaining?
Door-kun>Ken>Akihiko>Junpei
Door is the best Persona protagonist.
Prove me wrong.
>dude became a god with the power of the universe to save humanity from death
It’s hard to argue when you’re right
Tatsuya exists so no. Door is a close second. Yu was also good in arena until he went full on MUH BONDS and nooo you cant be mad at murderers and guys who try to kill you nearly every fricking scene. Joker is still a mixed bag. He feels better in comedy scenes than actual main character.
Yea they made Yu a classic jrpg protagonist. I think he was way better in PQ.
Tho Door in Q is also great.
>3/4 MC in Q
I agree, I really liked both of then in Q. I think the first Q is actually slightly underrated.
I don't like how him, Maya and Tatsuya in particular are handled because the story feels reliant on them hvaing a character even though they're silent protagonists so it feels like it's struggling with itself to try and give them the appropriate amount of character for the story while working in the constraints of being a silent protagonist, and it just leaves me wishing they werent silent protagonists instead. Joker has a bit of a similar issue, but it's not as bad because in his case it just feels like he would have a fun personality so it's a shame they didn't let him speak on his own, rather than it feeling like an issue with the plot like in P2 and 3. I'd probably say I like Joker most just because of his design and how expressive he is though, I probably like Tatsuya most as a character, but that's EP that makes me feel that way, IS didn't give me a great impresison of him.
It speaks volumes how people remember Maya and Tatsuya more for their roles in the games were they are not the protagonists.
The P5 cast only dress up like girls in Dancing Star Night, and the P3 cast do the same thing in Dancing Moon Night.
The only good part about P3 is the special romance dialog the girls have if you put them in loose outfits.
Ryoji > Ryuji >>>> Junpei
P3 might be my favorite of the nuseries, but man FRICK junpei
He constantly antagonizes you over stealing his spotlight
I don't know why I called yosuke ryoji
guess it's time to go to bed
It's the Lowenthal connection.
Yosuke and it isn't even a contest.
All I know is that I absolutely hate Morgana.
I hate the mascot characters from P4 and P5. They're just constantly annoying throughout the entire game with the same joke repeated to death.
I guess you could not bear to hear them
Teddie specifically is fricking terrible. I wanted to play through P4G again with jp voices for a different experience, but his voice was fricking ear rape.
Yeah, I don't mind Morgana even if I don't really care for him either, but I don't like Teddie. To be fair to Teddie though, I recently played PQ and I think his portrayal in that specifically is giving me a more negative opinion than I'd have otherwise.
In Teddie's defense, the bear puns were added to the English script as a way to translate his habit of endings his sentences with "kuma". It's still grating to listen to, of course, but I understand what they were trying to do.
Teddie is unbearalleled
Same. I could never take any of their 'arcs' remotely seriously. Morgana was worse though because he's literally just repackaged Teddie but instead of a goof he's just a smug dickhead.
They got exactly the wrong idea about why people liked Teddie and made a character out of all his worst traits.
I don't even hate Morgana but I can't think of anything endearing about him. I've even started replaying the game and I'm already replacing him with Yusuke.
Why do people like Teddie?
I like him because he’s so much of a naive, self centered, sex obsessed butthole that he’s entertaining. I also like his backstory of being a shadow that just wanted a friend, and how that unfolded over the course of the story.
All I know is that I absolutely love Naoto.
I like Ryuji the best, but it's just extremely fricked that P5's main scenario writing was so shitty that they literally had no way of advancing the plot other than going back to "let's make Ryuji do something stupid haha" just to make everyone else look better. Pretty obvious the devs were thinking of ways to give Makoto more screen time.
That Ryuji does stupid things is what makes him memorable, him having an obsession with the fame of being a Phantom Thief and coming down from it and getting back in touch with why he wanted to form the group to begin with is a rare case of character development in the story after a character's introductory arc and it does a lot of good for him. It has nothing to do with Makoto.
I like all of them because I have no friends IRL
Brown
These two were the best bros in 4.
Should have replaced Yosuke
daisuke is so hot but kou loves balls... which to choose...
>Kou loves balls
Didn't he have a crush on Chie?
The oddballs Yusuke and Kanji are better
Junpei is the best bro.
Yosuke is the only actual character - better written than entire P3 and P5 games.
Ryuji is something only a mentally moronic person who doesn't give a shit can make.
Mate Kanji is written way better than Yosuke.
Also Adachi.
I hate how they started copying P3, like every game MUST have a bro character.
Eikichi, Brown, and Mark were already bro-like characters.
IS already had the same thing with Eikichi and P1 and EP arguably had it with Mark and Ulala.
>Ryuji is something only a mentally moronic person who doesn't give a shit can make.
Shut up Morgana.
Yosuke is the most believable
Yosuke is easily the most fleshed out and weirdly one of the characters we get to know the most out of anyone.
If you go strictly by game then Junpei is the best bro by the end of the game
If you go by anime then it's Yosuke
I also think it's Yosuke if you account for spinoffs.
He is a fricking Jackass all the way to the end of the game. People remember him fondly because of the January conversation before the showdown but aside from that he never stopped being a c**t.
Which is why I specified 'end of the game'.
People also project onto him alot since he's pretty relatable.
>The same people who identity with Adachi are the ones who consider Junpei to be a bro
Now that makes sense
Ryuji>Eikichi>Yosuke>Junpei>Mark
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Anime/Manga Yosuke > Ryuji > Game Yosuke > Junpei
>Picks up on his bro wanting to break down
>Acts nonchalant to get the others to leave
>Comes back as soon as everyone else is gone because he knows his bro needs this time to let it out
>Doesn't need to say a word. Is just there for his bro and that's all Yu needs to trust in and finally let out his tears
Best Yosuke scene. Easily. I cant even picture Ryuji and Junpei doing something like this. Not to say they wouldn't want to comfort a friend but Yosukes intuitiveness and ability to know just what to do in moments like this is amazing.
I like Ryuji and Junpei but it felt like to me that Yosuke was the only one who truly understood their Brotag.
Hell Yosuke is the only one coming to mind who is like that out of all party members across P3, 4 and 5.
Junpei > Ryuji > Yosuke.
Morgana, for sexual intercourse.
Yosuke is the worst that’s all I know for sure
im playing golden with nip voices and holy shit they really gave yosuke the worst voice ever,makes you want to punch that b***h
junpei doesn't even really count as a bro. like hes cool with you, but hes more of a just a good friend then on another level.
he does is own thing and b***hes at you for like a 3rd of the game
persona 3 is probably the only game that the cast doesn't constantly suck mc wiener for majority of the run time, even 2 Tatsuya is jUST THE COOLEST GUY OF ALL TIME GOD DAMN TATUSYA
Tatsuya imo. is even worse than Chad Ziodynewiener because instead of it being implied everyone wants his wiener, literally everyone wants Tatsuyas wiener
Not really. Tatsuya's whole thing is that yeah he seems like the epic cool guy hearthrob but no one actually knows the real him and it leaves him feeling even more isolated and makes him shun any romantic advances which isn't helped by him actually being a really shy guy. He also suffers a lot of shame because of his father and feels guilty that his brother had to give up his own dreams and life just to take care of him and feels like an indecisive failure who's scared of taking a step forward on his own. There's never a point in the game he's DA MAN who has it all under control and instead of the universe bending over to fellate him, it actively fricks his shit up even worse and shit on his efforts. His only real harem is with Jun and Lisa. And Maya might have a thing for him but she can choose to fall in love with someone else or just regard him as a friend. Tatsuya is a far cry from Door, Yu, and Joker.
If we're just talking about how praised the character gets, then Tatsuya still does get sucked off as much, if not more, than later protagonists still. That he has his own personal issues and faults doesn't change that.
>even 2 Tatsuya is jUST THE COOLEST GUY OF ALL TIME GOD DAMN TATUSYA
not really? I mean lisa is obsessed with him. maya and eikichi like him as a friend, yukino is pretty indifferent. jun has a mancrush but they were also best bros when they were little kids
NTA but ypu are beaten over the head how Tatsuya is the dreamiest guy in school, Eikichi sees him as his eternal rival
most persona 2 fans have never played persona 2. it has even more anime bullshit then 5 with every sceen ending with unfunny nonsense and is incredibly easy braindead
>every sceen ending with unfunny nonsense
nothing in P2 made me cringe as bad as P4/P5's attempts at humor (except whatever the hell this was supposed to be)
you have a stronger will then me. Mishima nonsense and maya being a retarted ditz in literally every scene LITERALLY EVERY FRICKING SCENE stopped me from continuing.
and p4/5/and even 3 which doesn't really try that often have legitimately funny jokes in their runtimes. can we stop pretending its le cringe for 80 hours, because they're not.
also 2 is written in the most bizzare worse way i have ever seen a game written. like things just happen. at the start of the game when you awaken to your persona with mishima and lisa the literal first thought lisa has is to do a ritual to summon a entity nobody belives is real
huh?
what?
HUH?
I Had to stop and check a walkthough of the ps1 version to see if it was just the fan translation of the ps1 that was written like that
no its just like that. and the entire story is like that. there is very few reasons for anything to happen.
its combat is also just so goddamn slow and so goddamn easy it makes persona 5 look like smt4.
persona 2 is legitimately one of the worse smt games i ever had the displeasure to sit though and Ganker only likes it because its le epic old
>can we stop pretending its le cringe for 80 hours, because they're not.
P5 is
>maya being a retarted ditz
Take it back.
I don't think I hate it as much as you do, but I also find IS to be one of the worst MegaTen games and it's insane to me how much praise the story gets. It's a creative concept for a story, and there is the odd moment that works well, but the only consistently interesting part of it for me was the Philemon/Nyarlathotep stuff. EP is better overall, but I wasn't crazy about that either.
I cant be the only one, who thinks about characters beyond how they act in game? Like having a headcanon, but for the character. I mean, its not interesting to look at them as either mc dickriders or clowns, thats the limitation of japanese writing. Girls in p5 do not always act as dolls for mc, but they also do, because thats what expected from them by designers. Same is for Ryuji, i dont keep in mind that he might be a party jester, because thats the forced part made by writers.
I'll never understand people that put Ryuji over Junpei, he's a worse Junpei with no development what so ever
Yosuke, especially the anime version
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rYQ6NtIq24c
forgot bros. whos best silly girl?
Liz is my silly wife.
Yosuke > Ryuji in Slink >>> Ryuji in story past first 3 months > Junpei
Junpei easily, he can be a bro, but I like how he developed trough his dickish personality to the MC by growing as a person, and it feeling like I bonded with Junpei.
I really liked the scene at the near end of the game on the school rooftop, where MC and Junpei are just talking how the final battle is near, and him admitting how he was an ass to you, and asking if you are gonna be his friend afterwards.
Another cool way of showing character development is how he responds to you giving commands in battle, where before he would say "Alright, fine" in a neutral sort of way, but after his development, he would say "Gotcha!", it's small thing, but goes a long way of showing character development.
Also I really like Yosuke, he's a close second to Junpei, and he was overall a nice bro. I also like Ryuji but god damn he annoyed me sometimes, and especially when the writers just had to cram some shit between him and Morgana, but I still like him.
Just as a bonus question though; why is Makoto so popular? I genuinely don't get her popularity for the most part. It's not like I hate her but she isn't my favorite either