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Eternal stalemate since neither can really "die", even if Superman can kill Dracula like Julius did he'd still reincarnate as pure chaos.
Also superman would probably need to borrow the vampire killer or some other holy weapon to even damage dracula. The vampire killer slowly kills any non-belmont using it but I'm sure superman could tank it.
>Also superman would probably need to borrow the vampire killer or some other holy weapon to even damage dracula.
I want to say the comics actually addressed this at one point where they had Superman defeat vampires because he's powered by sunlight or some shit I don't really remember.
Yeah a vampire bit Superman and then exploded because the guy is solar powered
That's actually pretty clever.
That's unexpectedly interesting for Superman, but not especially relevant to Castlevania's Dracula. He is called a vampire, but he's not weak to silver, or garlic, or stakes, or sunlight. If I might borrow from the series's Christian imagery, Dracula is more like the Antichrist than a vampire.
Not like that means much for Dracula, though. Superman just does whatever the frick he wants unless green rocks or magic get involved, and Dracula has neither. Neither of them can kill the other.
What do you mean Dracula doesn't have magic? He's literally walking dark magic.
Castlevania doesn't really have the specific kind of "magic" that DC cares about. It's all just holy or unholy powers.
To beat Superman you'd need some SERIOUSLY good magic. Like, "I turn you into a pretzel and it can't be overcome by willpower or some bullshit and you don't need to be close by while I cast it" level shit. And even then odds are you're still getting your dick kicked by Superpretzel. People treat it like a weakness when really it's just "it works on him." You might have a magic fireball but it still won't hurt Superman because he's fricking Superman. You might have a magic blade that can cut through his body and kill him in one slash, but you'd still need to be fast enough to keep up with fricking Superman to hit him. "I am magic" isn't enough, you'd need magic and a VERY good plan for how to use it.
Dracula's magic goes far beyond simply casting attack spells, he can manipulate minds, corrupt souls, summon demons at will, shapeshift, become immaterial, etc.
He could, for instance, kill one of Superman's strongest foes, eat their souls, gain their powers and use them against him.
>or sunlight
???
There's also another story where a vampire bites him and for some reason because he's an alien his blood is revolting to vampires.
99% of vampires can only drink human blood not that weird
Isn't that just the ripple from JoJo?
No. Hamon is producing energy like the sun's via breathing. If you're not doing the proper breath, you don't get to have that energy. Superman's is just flat out solar energy stored in his body. He doesn't need breathing techniques.
So he turns the sun... into sun.
superman is a solar battery, it's not complicated
>I'm sure superman could tank it
I don't think he would. Most attacks Dracula would throw at him, but also especially the vampire killer killing him would be magic, which he's as vulnerable to as any normal person.
I wonder how superman would react to soma and his potential to be a dark lord.
Except, as of SoTN onwards, you can 'kill' Dracula with anything you can get your hands on.
Hell, Soma can kill everything in his games with a fricking handgun if he wanted to.
Can't he just throw him into the Phantom Zone?
His evil remains in the world as I've said further above.
Dracula is a threat not because of his physocal existence, but because of his cosmic one. Dracula the vampire is nothing but a physical avatar allowing him to walk the earth. Dracula's essencw is the concept of evil itself. Dracula rules over all that is evil whwther he is alive or dead, meaning that even dead, he lives in the heart of everyone who is evil and weak minded and he corrupts them, empowers them and influence them towards accelerating his return.
Meaning that Dracula's evil in the DC universe means every bad guy gets buffs and are driven even more maniacal by his influence. A shit ton of DC villains would undoubtedly fall to Dracula's side AND Dracula has an army of Demons of his own ranging from lackeys like skeletons and zombies to mythical/religious creaturesl like Cyclops and Manticores to actual Demon Gods like Pazuzu and Azazel who can bend minds and reality to their will.
not to be that guy, but Dracula is basically a far weaker version of Darkseid and that still gets handled.
Darkseid is a Justice League level threat though, Supes absolutely cannot defeat him alone, so a far weaker Darkseid would still be a good match 1v1 for Supes.
>so a far weaker Darkseid would still be a good match 1v1 for Supes
a far, far, far, far weaker Darkseid is not a good match 1v1 for Superman, who in some stories can physically brawl with not shitty Darkseid.
Yes but Dracula and Darkseid are not first-line brawlers, that's the whole point, they command armies and have large ambitions and plans of domination and only really get in there when they have to or want to to enjoy themselves.
>Yes but Dracula and Darkseid are not first-line brawlers
yes, but the question is who would win, Superman vs Dracula, not Superman and friends vs Dracula and army
Please play a Castlevania game. That's the whole point, Dracula is his army and his castle, they're central to his character.
>Dracula is his army and his castle
okay superman now throws an entire castle into the sun at the speed of light before dracula has time to even blink
You want to talk about educating yourself, first try and learn how ridiculous the DC universe specs are in compared to a game where you can beat the villain by jump whipping and eating chandelier meat
Dracula's Castle is magical and Superman notoriously has difficulty dealing with magic forces. This is like reading a Constantine story and saying "Why doesn't Constantine just have Superman go into hell and punch Satan for him?".
>Superman can't lift heavy magic because magic
uh huh
Are you really ignoring that Shazam (god magic Superman) is the important person in that panel?
uh huh, so he's only lifting half of magical infinity.
He's straining compared to Superman though. That's why he says "GNNNN!" in the 3rd panel.
this shit is so fricking stupid
Welcome to comics. At least everything I've been shown of them.
Are there any good superhero stories with superpowers, but very strict limits on them? No endless powercreeping or deus ex asspulls constantly making them more powerful?
Couldn't Superman just lift the entire landmass the castle is on? I mean just how far down would Dracula's castle's barrier go? What if he just froze the entire castle in a giant block of ice, then threw it into the sun?
Bro in any DC story that question can legitimately be asked. Superman has no reason besides already dealing with shit for not showing up, and Supergirl has the same problem. You literally have two people with super hearing who have no fricking excuse for not showing up when the world is at stake, except for the world being at stake for them too at the same time in another spot.
Excuse me. It's wall meat. Chandeliers drop hearts. Educate yourself.
frick off joseph
What if Superman grabs him and throws him to the sun?
Dracula can teleport and if he dies, the essence of his evil remains omnipresent.
Dracula cannot be killed.
What's stopping Superman from throwing Castlevania into the sun?
Bad writing. Superman literally has every tool needed to solve every problem, but if he utilized all of them at all times then most of his comics would be relatively short. Flash's comics would be less than a page each.
Dracula just comes back. That is literally the point.
Castlevania Dracula was a guy so pissed off at god he became the focal point of all evil. Every time he returns he is less of a human rational being and more an elemental being of pure malice.
He basically Eclipsed Lucifer as the nemesis of God.
couldn't superman just toss him into the sun or something? Can't imagine that would be very healthy for a vampire, no matter how OP he is.
>Superman would need a vampire killer or holy weapon to damage dracula
Do you even know who Superman is?
Batman
Drac bites Supes and dies from the solar radiation
But not before both of them shit all over Batgay
Superman and Batman should be best friends, not enemies.
Batman should stop trying to kill all his "friends" and colleagues then. Maybe he should stop training Children to fight Psychopaths and spend his billions on fixing Gotham instead of putting Suns in his gauntlets. Bruce is such a piece of shit.
Neither
Yogiri would instantly kill them the moment they are about to destroy some random universes
So a dull, generic, cookie cutter, isekai homosexual would kill them? Makes sense since almost all isekai protagonist are ridiculously overpowered. No wonder the series sucks.
>superman puts Dracula in the center of the sun
Now what?
He teleports out
if Drac could do that then how the frick did he get BTFO by the Belmonts so many times
Does superman die of old age? Cause that's how dracula usually beats the Belmont's.
but the Belmonts kept frickin'
I'm sure supe's son can keep up
>he doesn't know
Oh no.
Anon, supes son is gay and fricking some OC self insert with pink hair.
Thats actually a thing.
..he can make new ones
Depends on the storyline, but we've had far future stories (think trillions of years into the future) where everyone is literally dead and Superman is still in his prime but just dealing with loneliness.
Strange Visitor Superman for example ends with a giga God Superman at the center of the universe holding off entropy (heat death of the universe)
Sounds cool, tell me more
In some stories he's completely immortal, in All-Star he gets turned into an energy being and becomes immortal. In most stories he ages slowly.
some incarnation superman exsits till the end of the universe. He even restarts the universe once everything is gone.
superman is rediculas
>summon death
>death touches superman
>instant win
You fricking wish, go to bed Death, you are not actually death, just a scary ghost.
Or the castlevania incarnation is just incredibly flawed, which is why he shits himself over Dracula and how the later cheats death all the time
Would he win?
Yes, he's the ultimate holy weapon, while Dracula represents all that is unholy.
The Belmonts carry a single sliver of a fraction of a minute share of his power and the can beat Dracula.
Frankly your question was kinda moronic, it's like asking if the entire Navy can kill a seagull.
He couldn't win against his Father though
Except his father was also himself though.
That was a misunderstanding, he said he was son of Him in the sense that we're all His children. Otherwise, many things wouldn't make sense like:
>"Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me. Yet not my will but yours be done." Luke 22:42
Which means that his final destiny was in the hands of God, not "himself". God literally made him go through the via cruxis
>he bought the christcuck meme
>Creates himself to kill himself to save us from himself
T-thanks?
they day/night cycle
Can Dracula merge with Death and Choas itself and become a ghost medium which superman can't touch?
He can turn into myst so Superman can't touch him
I'm guessing this a win for Dracula since he can attack at a realm in which superman can't see nor fight against. It would hurt Gokugays bloated egos tho.
Piccolo naranja beats Dracula.
Superman goes vrrrrrrr
Can't Superman just grab Dracula and fly upwards to the sun? You don't need all that bullshit vampire killer magic when the sun is easy access.
Dracula can disincorporate into bats or mist if supes tried that
not saying suoerman couldn't kill him, just not like that. His eye beams might work since they're technically solar energy
Dracula, the sucker literally commands Death, I don't know if superman can beat Death.
Also, Dracula is immortal so there is that.
>I don't know if superman can beat Death
There is quite literally a comic book event of the Death and Return of Superman.
I got this, Clark.
Dracula from Castlevania is the highest ranked evil there is and remarkably the strongest Dracula interpretation in fiction, is basically like Satan in terms of power level.
Is there a reason in particular why he is so strong? I only played SotN, GBA games and rondo of blood.
Because he controls Chaos itself.
Well in Castlevania you can get Death's scythe too and you can slap Dracula a bunch of times with it but he won't go down easily anyways, the vampire killer is a special kind of weapon, a holy weapon made to kill (temporally) the greatest evil in the world, it just so happens to be a whip.
>a holy weapon made to kill (temporally) the greatest evil in the world
Nothing particularly holy about killing a woman, just throwing that out there.
Well, maybe Castlevania has the ruthless old testament God.
She was a virgin soon to be spouse to a holy crusader that fought the, at the time, ultimate vampire who also bit her and almost turned her into a vamp herself. The whip was also made by an expert alchemist who pillaged little by little said ultimate vampire's castle thanks to countless heroes beforehand. So it ain't a mere whip if not the whip to end all nightfiends.
He isn't referring to how the vampire killer was created...
I was, if memory serves correctly. It's been ages since I played Lament of Innocence but I recall that killing someone you trust that has been tainted by evil is part of the alchemical process needed to make Vampire Killer. That doesn't change the fact that she wasn't turned of her own volition, or that she was innocent; and killing an innocent woman is the furthest you can be from holy.
I was joking because it sounded like you were calling women the greatest evil in the world.
>he controls Chaos itself
What did you just say...?
Dracula respects Jack's strength.
Depends on: In the original Castlevania story, he's literally just a good dude who got really fricking mad/insane when his wife died and then somehow got a rare stone or something that gives him more powers than an ordinary vampire. the Lords of Shadows game gave a much better story of how and why he's so much more powerful than any other vampire.
In castlevania canon, Dracula is basically the antichrist in a setting where god and satan are equal opposites
>and remarkably the strongest Dracula interpretation in fiction, is basically like Satan in terms of power level
Anon, he literally gets his ass handed to him by a man made whip.
Satan in Dante's Inferno is more powerful in comparison. Dante was using Death's own sickle against Satan.
That's cool but Batman beat him
Yes but, Batman.
Vampire Hunter D Dracula is stronger.
And he gets his ass kicked by Conan the whipper.
>and remarkably the strongest Dracula interpretation in fiction...
hi
this would be a much better match up.
Dracula would beat Alucard because he has explosives and holy weapons in his arsenal
>Dracula from Castlevania is the highest ranked evil there is and remarkably the strongest Dracula interpretation in fiction, is basically like Satan in terms of power level.
Vampires are just fallen angels.
And he gets routinely beaten by a Mortal with a Whip? lol
This Batman was great. Superman was a lot more cautious of others in it too.
Never read that one but picrel was one of my favorites growing up
That one isn't a comic, it's a stand alone movie for "The Batman" cartoon from around early 2000s.
Fricking god tier movie
but vegeta always jobs to the main bad guys
I think I would win
Yeah, this anon's got it. Drac won't know what hit him and Supes is gonna feel the pain. Those two will probably end up looking like pansies.
I will go for anon too! (me)
He especially has has never won after making that pose.
Supes could win, but it wouldn't be easy. This is the sort of thing someone would write a comic about.
He's already beaten Goku 3 (three) times, and we all agree that Goku > Superman. It follows immediately that Bejita > Superman.
Who would win here?
Supes, but seeing what happened to Homelander to turn him into what he was would mess him up.
Superman throws him into the sun with one arm
I hate Omni-man being included because he was only slightly a Superman parody for like the first 5 issues of a 10 year running comic.
homelander
SOULJA BOY TELL EM
WTF
Superman just vibrates him out of this dimension.
Dracula can turn immaterial.
Doesn't matter.
Darkseid was abstract and Superman could still vibrate him out of existing in the 3rd dimension.
Is ok Dracula will just resuscitate.
based moron
can't resuscitate when you've ceased to exist
Dracula is less of a being and more of a force, as long as there is evil in the hearts of humans there will be Dracula, even after he got sealed away by Julius and reincarnated into a good boy his chaos powers didn't dissipate at all and his castle could return twice.
Superman can't kill Dracula unless he also kills all the humans but doing so is exactly what Dracula wants so either way he wins.
For all intents and purposes, making him time out for 100 years counts as beating him since that's the only timescale we care about in Supes' stories.
But he isn't truly defeated, is like killing Glados in portal, she will still outlive you and even goes as far as to sing you a song about it.
>Why bother commenting about shit you don't know anything about?
Because I don't read capeshit but I play Castlevania, Dracula doesn't need influence or control over the humans he simply needs them to exist so he can too exist.
He literally did just this with darkseid though, who was currently controlling every single human on earth.
The ALE is just that.
Why bother commenting about shit you don't know anything about?
anti life equation was such a let down. i expected something cooler.
>can't resuscitate when you've ceased to exist
Well, not usually anyway...
Dracula loses to regular ass people that aren't Belmonts. He's even lost to literal women.
Superheroes literally cannot defeat their enemies because the writers will just retcon them back in order to sell more comics.
Batman can't handle a clown, the X-men can't handle a Holocaust survivor, Superman can't handle a fricking business tycoon.
>muh no-kill rule
>because killing a murderous batshit insane clown who kills hundreds of people every week for shit and giggles is just as bad, if not worse, as killing a newborn baby
You're trying to apply muh real world logic to a product. The reason Batman has a no-kill rule is because it allows for writers to lazily bring back cash cow villains without having to come up with an extra narrative for how the frick they're back from the dead.
Hell, just look at the mental gymnastics they've done to explain how Jason Todd is back from the dead.
>Actually superboy prime punched reality so hard it made Jason alive even though he's been in the ground so long that he should be nothing but a pile of bones
>Actually no, Ra's Al Ghul felt bad for Batman and gave him a Lazarus bath and just kept this info hidden for years even though they've run into each other numerous times after Jason died.
>Actually no, Jason was secretly in Arkham Asylum the whole time, even when the place was abandoned and all the inmates had been transferred out to Arkham City. What do you mean a human being dies after an extended period of not having any food or drink?
Superman is far stronger but wouldn't Soul Steal or some other magic bullshit one-shot him?
>Superman kills Dracula
>Dracula revives 100 years later
>Superman has died of old age
ok
>old age
>Superman
>old age
One of Supe's weakness is magic and Drac is basically walking dark magic incarnate
Minor nitpick: He's not especially weak to magic like a lot of people seem to think, his powers just give him no defense against magic. A magic fireball would probably effect him the same way normal for would(ie, not very much) unless it was like hellfire or something.
>Minor nitpick: He's not especially weak to magic like a lot of people seem to think, his powers just give him no defense against magic. A magic fireball would probably effect him the same way normal for would(ie, not very much) unless it was like hellfire or something.
Basically this, physical magic would have little to no effect but there are examples of where he has been mind controlled and deceived by illusionary spells.
>magic
Superman would still tank it unless it has special properties. "Magic fireball" is still just a fireball. Now if it was "magic fireball that destroys everything it touches no matter what" then he's screwed.
Superman is not "weak" to magic as it is like kryptonite, it is just that it's somewhat potent to him otherwise being unstoppable.
What is a Super Man?
A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk, have at you!
Genuinely what's the point of making these VS against capeshit characters?
It's impossible to have a serious discussion with those because there's 200 different versions of them and they all have their own canon timelines and linked worlds with different feats each, and comicgays bring ALL of them up when you try to scale things.
Isn't Superman weak to magic?
Isn't Dracula the mother of all Dark wizards in the CV universe?
I think by weak they mean his extreme durability doesn't make him immune to its effects. That said Superman can move faster than light which is completely beyond Dracula's league, he'd destroy him before the wine glass hits the ground
I understand and maybe I am biased towards Dracula because I am a CV fan and not a Superman one, but I know how OP Superman is and I won't contest your sayings, but Dracula in his essence is an eldricht being more akin to a God than a creature or living being. He is more of an idea than a person. Dracula as a "man" is nothing more than a physical vessel allowing him to walk the earth, but Dracula as he actually "is" is more like an essence as I said. Dracula in his true form is the malice of man. When he is "destroyed", Dracula exists through evil itself, which corrupts and is perpetrated by man, so as long as there are evil people in the world, Dracula will always inevitably be called back and even when he is not there, he exists through all the rapists, betrayers, murderers and maniacs whom the essence of his evil feed and influence towards spreading death and chaos.
Castlevania isn't even an actual castle, it's an entire realm in itself with its own rules. The castle is a manifestation of Dracula's powers and a literal corruption of reality and a gateway from which hell can walk on earth.
Other than that, Dracula can't technically be killed by anything else than his own power or the Vampire Killer, but that's plot bullshit so I'll let it pass. Superman has literal eye sun beams so I'm sure that would be enough to destroy his shell at least.
One thing is for certain though. If Dracula existed in the DC multiverse, he would definetly not be the strongest foe that the Justice League would have to deal with, but he would definetly be the biggest threat in the way that his very existence corrupts and empowers all that is evil and with the myriad of Supervillains in that universe, that would quickly become dangerous.
>but he would definetly be the biggest threat in the way that his very existence corrupts
You just don't know the kind of stuff they deal with over there.
Look at the fricking lineup Supes is fighting in Final Crisis or New 52.
Didnt alucard call being the dark lord/dracula as being the "anti-God" or something
I don't recall him ever being called "anti-God" but that's not far off. He's basically the embodiment of Evil that needs to exist in opposition of Good, which makes him sorta like the Satan or Lucifer of that universe.
At the end of DoS, Alucard explains to Soma that no matter what humans do, Dracula will never ever be gone. They sealed him and his powers into an eclipse which was supposed to cut him off for good, he still reincarnated through several potential vessels who only needed to return to Dracula's source of power and ritualistically gain his powers to potentially become him. Soma is, of course, Dracula's true reincarnation with his strongest ability: The ability to steal souls and gain their powers/summon the creature at will. So basically, Dracula, when he became the "anti-God" was no longer a person, he became a cosmic force. Kill Dracula, he will come back. Cut him off from his power before killing him and the power will change vessel and repeat the cycle. Alucard said this because this force of Chaos is a balancing cosmic force in the CV universe and is, thus, eternal and necessary.
So Drac's powers of chaos in DC universe means that, sure, Superman or the whole Justice League would probably deal with him pretty easily compared to other threats in the DC universe, but kill him and he'll come back 100 years later or be brought back by cultists who are directly influenced by his evil to work towards accelerating his return and if they send his ass to the phantom zone, someone else will inherit his power and the influence of his evil magic will ALWAYS be omnipresent, empowering and influencing evil people and beings.
So we're talking heroes potentially being corrupted and supervillains being even more powerful and evil. An even more psychopatic Joker, an even more tyrannical Darkseid, etc.
Dracula, or rather, his essence, is the God of all evil things. Dracula is just the man who became the vessel for such power, the "real Dracula" is a cosmic force.
I also forgot to add that when Dracula comes back, it's not just him that comes back, it's him an his entire army of demonic slaves of varying strenght and influence. from puny bats and skeletons to Demon Kings who can bend reality itself. So that would put the entire Justice League worldwide on overtime until Dracula is defeated.
>Superman just sets a calendar alert every hundred years or so to go fly Dracula into the sun.
That's exactly something Clark Kent would do.
>Dracula, or rather, his essence, is the God of all evil things.
You do realize that Superman once fought against a Vampire who literally is called ‘the anti-God’, who also eats stories themselves, right?
And he won.
Magic in DC is infinitely stronger than that of Castlevania. Someone like Dr Fate could get rid of Dracula permanently.
He doesn't have any resistance against the kind of magic that turns you in to a plant or bunny. If the magic is more like an energy blast, then Superman can handle it.
Impressive, however... That would just start phase 2 of Dracula.
why couldn't one of the xenomorphs just eaten Nathan?
>Hey, you guys up there. Jeez, you are being real noisy. Could you quiet down or something?
>Le reddit character
Please kys
>everything I don't like is reddit
Aight. Any other buzzwords that don't mean anything you wanna throw at it?
Hunter X chads had made a complete mockery of OPMcucks.
>hiatus x hiatus
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>he doesn't know
It doesn't count until the red turns blue.
OPM can barely beat Sayan Saga Vegeta
>Moon-level
>With only four finger tips
>While casually playing hacky sack with interdimensional portals
I dunno anon. Unless he has a series that goes above serious, his full power isn't all that strong. He cracked the crust of Io, but it's not like he broke the moon.
>muh youtubers
Superman has more and better feats than Saitama.
I find it pretty amusing that in this page alone Superman fixes the problem the Illuminati spent numerous issues trying to solve.
Why do superhero comics always have seemingly huge events resolved in a single panel with zero build up or tension?
>all those (You)
Anon won.
I win everyday by coming to this website and sharing it with you lovely people
superman would just use that weird prism ability and make dracula float through space for all eternity
If you go by the insane vsbattles scaling, that Dracula is maintaining his own universe, then he's more powerful than Supes by far.
>who would win the Satan allegory or the Jesus allegory?
I think I would win
>punch Dracula into space and flings him into the sun
Superman wins this low diff
Dracula uses magic.
Superman has a weakness to magic.
Hmm...
>has a weakness to magic
Nope, this is a missunderstanding. He just doesn't have a special "shield" against it like he has for physical attacks, but magic affects him the same way it would a regular life form
>magic affects him the same way it would a regular life form
Then he may as well be weak to magic. Have you seen Dracula's magic attacks on "regular lifeforms"?
Ya they do like a 4th a life bar
He is more vulnerable to magic than physical injury, but it's still Superman we're talking about. You can't just throw some fireballs at him and expect it to do more than singe his spit curl.
The specific part is that Superman is basically invulnerable to mundane stuff and extremely durable with extraordinary stuff depending on the incarnation, shooting him with a high powered sniper rifle or napalm is like spitballs and warm water to him. Hit him with hellfire that burns his soul or hit him with a spell that turns him into a frog and it'll likely affect him the same way anyone else would or be slightly less effective.
Superman is gay now, so I don't think he'll hurt Dracula.
Dracula isn’t gay though he fricks bimbos and had a son. You’re thinking of Alucard, said son of Dracula and a homo.
Spiderman
OK, but who would win: lex luthor, or an archer skeleton?
Why not just rape the Dracula
>Superman's heat vision is like concentrated sunlight, the weakness of vampires.
>Dracula has tons of magical attacks, the weakness of superman.
Whichever lands their attack first wins?
Gee whiz I wonder who is faster
>Gee whiz I wonder who is faster
Yeah but superman holds back and almost never speed blitzes anybody, because he's a hero who almost always tries to stop his enemies without killing them. He usually pulls his punches until he gets a feel for the strength of his enemy. That has resulted in superman eating attacks from much slower enemies that he should have swatted like flies - particularly when it comes to magic users.
He gauges those attacks.
>one guy gets his power from the sun
>one guy dies from the sun
Seems pretty one sided to me
>Sun guy dies from magic
>Guy who dies from the sun is filled with magic power
It's whoever lands the first good attack, and that will be Dracula because good is dumb.
Superman is weak against magic. Plus Dracula probably keeps Superman powerlevel creatures locked in his castle
>would body supes without breaking a sweat
boomer heroes can't keep up
>t. "My wife's son"
Why did they turned Butcher into a boring cuck who can't even carry his own show?
it's all apart of ~~*(their*~~) plan, anon.
So glad Garth forgot about Tommy's existence entirely.
Can Dracula from Castlevania survive the sunlight? He seems like the kind of guy who has the power to make everything in a 5 kilometer radius night regardless of time of the day.
Can anyone explain to me how Superman, who gets his power from the Sun, is able to perform feats that would require more energy than the Sun would produce in its entire lifetime?
I think that's because the writers did not do any kind of math at all when they wrote his story.
Oh come on how difficult could it be? Just limit his powers to below Sun level and it would be fine
The power of the Sun is unmatched
Those feats are few and far between, he's got maybe like two feats that fit that description (like holding together the fabric of reality with his bare hands during infinite crisis wtf lmao) and DC has mostly swept those under the rug.
Not that it matters in a modern context anyway, DC is total shit now and everybody who writes for Superman fundamentally hates him and just wants to pozz and Black personfy him.
Kryptonians just activate infinite power so long as yellow sun radiation touches them. They're not actually using solar power in any way, it's just hitting the switch on the infinite power reactor they all have.
Conversely, red sun radiation and kryptonite hit the off switch for that nebulous power gland.
Superman hard counters Dracula
He is entirely powered by the Sun. Any energy he emanates, is a partially refined sunbeam, so all he has to do is just a burst of his laser eyes
sonic.exe would win
jeff the killer already beat sonic.exe
sonic.exe can use his new troony powers to cancel them on twitter
Dracula, Superman is weak to magic and mind control attacks, both are Dracula's specialities
>Superman is weak to magic and mind control attacks
But he's not, on either account. In regards to magic he's vulnerable, but not more vulnerable than your regular DC comics human. To put in pokemon terms, magic is not "super effective" against him, but all other attacks are "not very effective". In regards to mind control, he's time and time again shown that they never last. When he was mind controlled by Poison Ivy during Batman's Hush storyline he snapped out of it after seeing Lois in distress. When he was under the control of the black mercy, he was the one that came to terms with the world around him being fake, causing the plant to lose it's grip on him so that the others can pull it off.
Yeah, but Dracula has spells that can literally just rip your soul from your body, which is a pretty good way to frick up Superman.
You mean Alucard does. If Dracula had that every Belmont fight with him would end a whole lot faster.
With the Sorrow games can one count "Dracula" as having all the powers that you can equip in the game, up to an including time stop and generating money from wounds?
Sure, though if we're to apply Sorrow games rules then I guess you can say Dracula is moronic because not once does he ever equip those abilities when it comes time to fight a Belmont.
should Iremind you Lord's control on him? Bruce barely managed to stay alive when he tried to contain Supes that time and Diana was forced to kill him to stop the connection.
And Maxwell isnt the only one who managed to pull that off.
I guve you the Magic one, but lets remember Clark has lost to Black Adam, and even Billy was shown at least twice to be able to damage him badly.
Castlevania's Dracula has everything Black Adam has and way more
>Castlevania's Dracula has everything Black Adam has and way more
he's not even a fraction as fast which is all that really matters
Dracula does have super speed and he controls creatures that have time stopping abilities.
he's not so fast he can reliably hit belmont or dodge a whip
Imagine being this big bad boogeyman "basically anti-christ" or "chaos personified" or "absolute evil" who has time stopping demons at your disposal and you still job to Conan the barbarian with a whip.
And now people are asking how he'd do against a living solar battery who is stronger and faster than said Conan with a whip.
You best not be badmouthing Simon Fricking Belmont.
Reads more like he's making fun of Dracula for losing to mere mortals.
To be fair, the Belmonts ARE considered superhuman in their universe. CV3's story makes a vague reference to the Belmonts being exiled because of their powers to begin with and then Trevor's descendents have the added benefit of Belnades blood giving them latent magical talent as well. They've got nothing on Supes obv, but calling the Belmonts "mere mortals" is underselling them.
>should Iremind you Lord's control on him? Bruce barely managed to stay alive when he tried to contain Supes that time and Diana was forced to kill him to stop the connection.
Go re-read it again, Wonder Woman # 219.
The connection stopped when Diana sliced him with her tiara. The reason she killed Max is because he flat out said he wouldn't stop mindcontrolling him to kill people.
Anyone that says castlevania's dracula is the strongest dracule in fiction is an absolute moron or is unaware Vampire hunter D exists.
Or Hellsing. CV Dracula takes a hundred years to pull himself back together, Alucard did it in 30.
Alucard at the end of hellsing is basically immortal and omnipresent.
Yeah. The point was that CV Dracula is nowhere near the claim in
But he is. Dracula is omnipresent as well. This has been said many times ITT.
Again, it takes him a hundred fricking years to regain physical form, and that's just from getting beat up. Hell, thanks to SoTN you don't even need a holy weapon to beat him up anymore. You can 'kill' Dracula with a rusty sword.
Alucard on the other hand can regenerate from any wound no problem. The one time killing him 'stuck' required feeding him a poisonous mcguffin in the form of Schrodinger, and it took him just 30 years to recover from that. That's a third of the time it takes for Dracula.
Even dead he influences all of those who are evil and he's canonically been brought back in a time frame of 10 years after his death. He can be brought back by cultists.
And, as I said, his evil is omnipresenr so long as there is evil in the heart of men.
>And, as I said, his evil is omnipresenr so long as there is evil in the heart of men.
Sounds like a whole buncha wank there considering Soma put an end to that nonsense dracboy.
Soma IS Dracula and Soma could morb at any moment if someone touches his mildly moronic gf.
You missed the point I'm making. Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula but he is his own agent, and him being on the side of good literally ends the whole "Dracula exists as long as evil in the world exists" because yes, evil still exists, but Dracula doesn't because he's been co-opted.
Besides, evil existed well before Dracula did. It's not like they can't wrest the power from him the same way Mathias took it from Walter.
Dracula vs Shuma-Gorath
Not big into capeshit but isn't supes vulnerable to magic and doesn't Castlevania's Dracula have a shit ton of dark magic?
Could Dark Schneider beat Superman?
That's actually a pretty good question. As we know, Superman is as weak to magic as anyone but could tank anything DS throws at him since his magic is destruction based and not molecular/reality warping like Mxyl from Supermans stories. I think it would come down to if Superman decides to blitz DS or try to talk him down. But if it goes on for too long DS could fatally injure Supes. This would be an awesome crossover tho, I can see Supes comparing DS's lightning to Shazam's.
>Shazam
God I wish copyright and intellectual property wasn't so fricking stupid. It makes no sense for his name to also be his word of power.
>What's your power?
>I have to say my name
>But won't that do the opposite? You have to say it to have it, and it's your name?
>Yes, but... with yelling harsh effort.. cause I'm from dc
marvel literally ripped off the character years later & cried wolf because of the company name change. And dc just rolled over.
Pathetic
Dracula doesn't win just because he can't permanently die. Superman would instakill him everytime he respawns, I don't see how that means Dracula wins in any way.
Already been explained ITT many times and in detail. Read the thread.
I did. Superman can easily kill Dracula and then he has to wait 100 years to respawn so he can be instakilled again.
Meh, you didn't read the thread.
Are the Belmonts superhuman? Doesn’t matter what magic Dracula has if he has zero chance of ever tagging Superman. If he can’t insta blitz normal humans, Superman heat visions him a hundred times over.
what would stop superman from throwing dracula out from our galaxy?
Drac becoming intangible, transforming into mist or a group of bats is one of the basic vampire powers
>transforming into mist or a group of bats
Freeze breath, fly the chunk out into the sun.
CV Dracula has had fire powers since the first game.
Can he use them while he's mist or a group of bats?
Superman is so badly written that I bet there's several reasons why drac turning into bats or mist would help superman
He's a dc character. He's weaker than Supergirl but wins when they fight almost every time. He can't fly faster than light, except when he does multiple times. He's slower than Flash, except when he's not and somehow catches him. He's dumber than Batman, except when he's not and outsmarts him and Luthor. Every single DC character with powers has these problems. Batman's problem's are still similar, but at least him getting beaten doesn't feel ridiculous since he's just a rich kid doing an assassin without the killing build. I love Supes conceptually, but the execution plus having literally thousands of heros in the same world ruins it.
Adding to this, it just makes you ask "where the frick is Supergirl?" every time Superman takes on some threat to the planet. Why the frick isn't she helping? The useless b***h.
she's at home, doing her part with the cleaning
>I love Supes conceptually, but the execution plus having literally thousands of heros in the same world ruins it.
Nah. It's the fact that it's one character written by numerous writers over the course of almost a century. Jesus had this problem too. In some books he's all "forgive your neighbors seventy times seven times" while in others he's all "frick all of you for turning my dad's house into a market".
So then how strong is Superman? Is he Supergirl's b***h at least?
>Is he Supergirl's b***h at least?
No. He's stronger than Supergirl by virtue of having been under Earth's yellow sun for all his life. Some incarnations of Supergirl have an differing physiology from him that allows them to process solar radiation more efficiently as a narrative explanation for how Supergirl has the full kryptonian powerset the moment she sets foot on Earth when Superman's developed bit by bit as he grew up.
So Superman is the turtle. Go figure.
>Jesus had this problem too. In some books he's all "forgive your neighbors seventy times seven times" while in others he's all "frick all of you for turning my dad's house into a market".
You insufferable illiterate redditor, Jesus cleanses the temple in every gospel. Who am i kidding, it's not like you have the mental capacity for this considering you're arguing about which characters from children's cartoons and games would win in a fight.
>you're arguing about which characters from children's cartoons and games would win in a fight
So are you, and it's all fiction anyways.
What's stopping Superman from physically punching out some bats or freezing/blowing away some mist?
The writer.
kekgeta kneels to BEASThan and his daughter Pan-chan.
I don't understand why people try to hype up characters they like even though they obviously get obliterated, it's the same shit with Doomguy. Just because your favorite character loses to Superman (like a million other fictional characters) doesn't mean their franchise is worse than DC, it's not a quality competition.
>reduced
The dude destroyed a moon by sticking his hand 3 inches inside the moon's crust.
Superman
Dracula has top tier magic which can get a kill shot much easier on Superman along with plenty of bullshit enemies to throw at him.
Superman is exceedingly powerful and could thrash Dracula but he'd have a very hard time making him stay down as he doesn't have any holy/anti-vampire weapons to actually vanquish him with.
>Dracula has top tier magic which can get a kill shot much easier on Superman
Dracula can't even get a killshot on Belmonts though.
Superman is very fast anon. Faster than a speeding bullet even.
Yeah but if Superman were in a crossover story he'd conveniently forget about that power, as well as his intelligence.
If the writer wanted him to lose yeah, you're right. He'd probably puff out his chest like he was deflecting a bullet and take a magic death bolt to the heart and die.
Could Batman beat Dracula?
He has on two separate stories. Although for one of those stories it came at the cost of him becoming a vampire himself.
Batman should just be a vampire anyway.
Yeah, the only Superman writer can't beat is cosmic armor.
>Batman should just be a vampire anyway.
Nah. Do gooder vampires are boring shit. Just look at how Blade or Morbius as comic book characters do not sell at all.
Besides, him being a vampire takes away from the "I'm out of my element, I should call in an expert" crossovers that he gets with Constantine, Spectre, Zatanna, Frankenstein, etc.
I didn't mean it would be interesting. I just meant that it would be advantageous to him since he does all his bat stuff at night. Also his "out of my element" stuff hardly sells for me when he's the infinite prep time and I have a plan for everything that moves and doesn't move guy.
He also does a lot of undercover investigating in the day, to better prepare for when he does his bat stuff at night. In those moments being a vampire is very obviously detrimental.
He can't just wear bat sunscreen?
This isn't Blade. You'd have to suck the blood of Starfire ex Machina.
I've never watched Blade. I just assumed Batman would have some item or something.
It's in the first movie. They execute an elder vampire by forcing him out in sunrise, and the reason they didn't burn is because they were wearing sunblock.
Lol that's great. I kinda want to watch it now.
>superman takes Dracula and throws him into sun/space
???? Superman and it's not even close
It depends on if you want to write the fight to be shit or to be interesting. Of course you could say Supes could easily blitz and godstomp Dracula before he could even blink but Dracula isn't a brawler, he's a ruler, he's conniving, he has an army of darkness and commands the forces of hell from his castle. Dracula has a great command of magic and magic forces he could defeat Supes, it might be difficult to outright kill him but he could something like trap him in the world of a painting or burn him with hellfire. Demonic Megiddo or Dominus magic would probably injure Supes pretty severely.
A human being can punch his way through Dracula's forces with a pair of brass knuckles, if the player controlling him/her chooses to play that way. I'm sure that Superman won't have much problem.
That mostly depends on the game and how powerful Dracula is, at times yeah he can be punched to death but other times only the Vampire Killer or his own power is capable of defeating him and the Vampire Killer is a magic weapon capable of slaying divine entities. So in theory Simon Belmont could whip Superman to death.
>That mostly depends on the game and how powerful Dracula is
Nah it really only depends on the game you're playing.
You don't get to have the Vampire Killer in say... SoTN so Alucard has to use any weapon he picks up on the way up to Drac, which can be as mundane as a rusty sword or as magical as a sword that produces numerous vaccuum slashes with one swing.
This obviously of course is different from most of the games where you're forced to play a Belmont, and are thereby forced to use the Vampire Killer.
If we're to theorize, given experience playing as Alucard, Shanoa, Jonathan, Soma, etc. It plays out more like any weapon can harm and end Dracula's menace (temporarily), but the Vampire Killer is "more efficient" at accomplishing that task.
You're confusing the gameplay with the story a bit. Just because a regular iron sword can be used to beat the game doesn't mean its canon to the actual narrative. Alucard is an extremely powerful dhampir who uses magic.
I'm not confusing gameplay with story.
I'm stating that 1) we know for a fact in most of those games that the vampire killer is not an available weapon and 2) story dictates that the protagonist bested Dracula (or Chaos in Soma's situation). Given we know 2 happens and we know 1 is a fact, what did they use to beat Dracula/Chaos with? There is no canon entry for what was used to put him away so it could be anything.
>Alucard is an extremely powerful dhampir who uses magic.
But we don't know for a fact that he beat Dracula using magic.
Same deal with Shanoa, or Hector, etc. We don't know how they beat Dracula, all we know is it wasn't with vamp killer.
I mean all that's great and all, but the memes Dracula can do are nothing in comparison to Mr Mxyzptlk, and still doesn't explain how Superman couldn't speed of light throw Dracula into the son before he has a chance to even comprehend whats happening.
If you want to write the fight the laziest way possible sure. Doing things this way you could easily write something like "Well Dracula would just dominate Lois Lane and have her stab Superman with a kryptonite knife while he's sleeping.".
my dick can win, draculo will not suck it and superman will no touch it, the only way is their sending their sons to do it because they both are utterly homosexuals
i hope warren ellis die like the homosexual he is
Nothing can defeat the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the redeemer of our salvation.
>Can use his healing powers to set your immune system into overdrive, immediately inflicting you with cancerous tumors.
Coolest offensive use of healing magic I've ever seen. And it actually kinda fits the character (what with the story about Jesus blighting the fig tree because it wouldn't bear fruit). Drifters is kino.
Castlevania Dracula has the ability to travel and make portals to alternate dimensions so if he encountered Superman he could just throw him into one, maybe even the Phantom Zone.
Oh no, not the phantom zone! No one has ever gotten out of that prison!
>bendis
Superman can easily clown on Dracula, no contest. He's such a fricking good guy that his punches probably count as holy weapons equal to the Vampire Killer.
All because he was raised by loving kansas farmers. Absolutely based Supes.
Reality literally bends around Superman because he is THE good guy. Yeah Dracula is toast.
Dracula wouldn't be able to react to Superman. He also would not be able to physically hurt Superman.
There'd be a stalemate. Dracula could just turn into fog. What can Superman do against fog?
Freeze it
Freeze it.
freeze it or heat beam it into nothingness. Possibly clap his hands so hard that the mist disperses too. That would probably frick Drac up.
Superman could move him into the centre of the Sun at millions of times the speed of light. Dracula will simply not be able to think or react at all. He won't even know something is happening before he simply dies. He'd just be standing there and then suddenly he would be dead without warning.
>What can Superman do against fog?
The same thing Sypha did to the vampire that can turn into fog in season 2 of the netflix show.
superman is ALWAYS holding back
>Who would win the most powerful evil magic user and inter dimensional level threat and in universe antichrist equivilent or Superman who is known to be vulnerable to magic and almost never deals with the supernatural or magic threats in his universe?
Maybe if you had posted Constantine vs Superman this would be interesting. Please read a comic book. Even Morgaine le Fay has been able to mindcontrol Superman with ease. Domination and Mind Control is Dracula's whole thing, its literally one of his strongest abilities. Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else.
Constantine vs Dracula*
Dracula keeps losing to whips to the face though by mortal men
>the most powerful evil magic user and inter dimensional level threat and in universe antichrist equivilent
>jobs to some good boys that give him a bath
Superman jobs to a green rock, a bald cripple, a woman, and a dog.
Which is way more than getting whipped in the face lol.
>insert image of Superman fighting off magic mind control over his century long rung
Do 5th dimensional imps count as magic? Superman undid his sense of self being altered in the Emperor Joker story, where Joker suckered Mxyzptlk into giving him all his power. which Joker then used to rewrite reality.
probably.
Where does Dr. Manhattan measure up compared to Supes anyway? Never seen the 2 compared before.
Could the Dr manhandle Superman?
Manhattan's a reality bender so he'd come out on top easily
He manipulates the quantum-field. He isn't a reality bender. Examples of Quantum-Field manipulators are Captain Atom and Monarch, the latter being one of DC's most powerful beings.
Why doesn't Dracula just mind control a Belmont then?
It's not the fault of anyone here that the Castlevania-verse is weak compared to DC. Dracula may be what you described him as, but that is only true in his own universe. If that version of Dracula set foot into the DC Multiverse/Omniverse he'd be considered pretty weak compared to a lot of the characters.
Sure but that wasn't the question. It's stupid both narratively and logicly to pose the question of Superman vs someone whose abilities can hard counter him. The Justice League Dark exists for this exact reason. They would be the ones to deal with Dracula, not Superman.
Yeah but the thread isn't JL dark vs Dracula.
Which is why its a stupid thread and stupid question.
The thread is about Superman vs Dracula though. Since this is a vs thread and not a comic book where they have to draw things out and not have the characters use their full capabilities(lest there be no story) we should be utilizing the characters at their full capabilities.
Upside-Down Man unrelated. Although he could kill Castlevania Dracula even if Dracula was supposed to be unkillable.
itt a bunch of sweaty manchildren boomers who take their soi toys serious
>a discussion about two fictional characters on a website created for the discussion of fiction on a board dedicated to video games for children
oh my word
Pot calling Kettle. You're the kind of guy who mocks Wojack posters by posting Wojaks.
They would bond over having homosexual sons
I can't believe I read this whole thread.
And what was your conclusions? Other than that death battles are fricking stupid.
vsbattles put Dracula a 2-c, low multiversal.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dracula_(Castlevania)#Abilities
Death Battle also says Dr Doom is always moving faster than 1.8 quintillion times the speed of light and that Super Saiyan 3 Goku can destroy 36,000 universes with one attack.
Those two guys at Death Battle are fricking Idiots.
That's a real dumb quote from Grant Morrison. People want to know stuff like that to make the fiction sound grounded. If you don't do that then all sorts of stupid shit can happen, like the Disney Star Wars films and TV episodes do with force powers.
Superheroes aren't and were never meant to be grounded. How do you do superpowers without constantly breaking believable physics or biology?
I assume anon means more internal consistency within the setting than "realistic".
All kinds of stupid shit happens not only despite explanations, but often because of them.
I don't think he means explanations in general, but he's talking about using real world science and physics. Anyone who tries to use real-world physics to explain capeshit or any fantastic fiction in general is a complete moron because none of that shit would be possible if we were going by real science and physics.
Besides, cape writers usually have no idea what they are talking about when they try to do real science. Pic related. apparently Cyborg can destroy the multiverse and everyone in this sequence is multiversal level, and so are the buildings and ground.
cringe quote
I think these questions usually need to come with an asterisks of which version of the character.
Fairly sure Castlevania expands off the Bram version of Dracula, which in the book/movie dies to a knife with a vulnerability to being stabbed and a bunch of other odd vampire lore like sleeping in native soil. But through the evolution of the games is effectively a prime evil that can only be stalled or postponed never stopped as he will always reform. Also shows him as powerful physically, magically, and even scientifically.
Superman also has a lot of versions from just a strong dude in his origins in old comics, powerful but vulnerable to some things like kryponite/magic/large physical damage in his possibly most well known versions seen in cartoons, and then you have some bullshit god forms.
So if we go portrayed version of Dracula (not in game weak to game mechanics) against silverage Superman, Superman will get folded like laundry. The popular most thought of version will be a fight but ultimately Dracula could just out live him as that one ages fairly normally and even then I would say Superman would struggle against the magic aspects.
Superman Prime is very overpowered and long lived and could spawn camp Dracula. Though I imagine Dracula may figure out he is weak to sound and well, bat sonar could maybe do some serious damage. (I think this was prime, it was some 85,000 year old version of Superman, I may have fricked up the name)
>So if we go portrayed version of Dracula (not in game weak to game mechanics) against silverage Superman, Superman will get folded like laundry.
Anon, silver age superman is even more bullshit than the "popular most thought of version". Pic related.
I guess, but for the most it just here is a guy that can jump high, lift a car, and is bullet proof. The overpowered stuff feels played for laughs and the feel of it comes across more of a Captain America type character of American exceptionalism, apple pie, and just being good at whatever happens. I didn't really think of things like just in terms of it feeling more like joke moments. Wouldn't really change the result though, Dracula can just out live his ass and respawn. When I typed it up originally I figured Prime or some version would win being both powerful and long lived out and totally didn't realize that one was weak to loud sound. There may be some more obscure magic immune version around I don't know of though. Always found the idea of the comics more interesting than their execution so didn't get into much.
>I guess, but for the most it just here is a guy that can jump high, lift a car, and is bullet proof
No he isn't. That's bronze age. Silver is where it goes off the rails with strength and powers, including his ability to give women amnesia by kissing them or being able to launch miniature supermen that have his full power set out of his hands.
Sorry got the name and era wrong then. I find Superman really boring so I was just going off memory. Guess Silver age can go gay on Dracula and wife him up to win then.
This doesn't address the fact that humans can defeat Dracula. Are Belmonts & friends stronger than Superman?
that's kind of a dumb argument
>whip and random items
beat dracula
>some bullshit color of kryptonite
beat superman
wow humans could theoretically beat either of these which is a yardstick of dumb powerlevel wanking for some reason because frick you
Supermans most famous villain (perhaps not most dangerous) is just a rich butthole. That razor cuts both ways.
A lot of games, comics, and even anime often tell a story of a man standing up to a godly force by effort, destiny, or some other call to action. Belmont's don't need to be stronger than Superman in the way a butter knife doesn't need to be sharper than a scalpel to do its job.
That's not a fair comparison, Luthor never defeats Superman in 1v1 combat (At least not without some super powerful suit). The Belmonts always better Dracula in combat.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say. I think you misunderstood my question.
Give Superman the Vampire Killer, what makes him less capable than a Belmont?
Anon Silver-Age Superman just makes up new Super Powers whenever he wants.
This is hilarious wrong. You seem to have never read a single superman comic in your life.
Also the strongest version of supes is thought robot/cosmic armor supes and that version literally just deletes Dracula out of existence. If you actually disagree then you really have no clue what that moronic version of supes is.
Can't superman just fly him into the sun?
Ya that would work. Until a full moon/bloodmoon/eclipse/plotdevice summons him back up 100 years later in Tokyo or some shit.
That's fine. Superman's longevity swings based on editorial. Right now it's "ages super slow and lives until the end of existence".
If Vampire Survivor is any indication, superman doesn't have a chance
Supermans weakness is magic, but he is solar powered. Id imagine him pulling a power out of his butt that has him cast magic rays of sunshine.
>Supermans weakness is magic
I wish people would stop spouting shit shit, read the thread.
Supermans weakness is magic tho. Hed prolly get rapped, no cap.
Superman has beaten magic users. Also depending on the writer, it depends on how the magic is used and what the spells are. A clever magic user should be able to beat Superman if they're going by DC magic rules. They just need to formulate the spells to effect Superman and make sure they don't bump into his physical defences.
For example, a magic bullet that "kills anything it touches" will kill Superman if it touches him. A bullet that "kills anyone whose skin it pierces" will still bounce off of him and not get the chance to deliver its kill-effect.
Sometimes writers frick it up and think anything even remotely magical can just kill Superman by touching him.
Pic related is Superman resisting the magic of one of the most powerful magical beings in existence.In others stories he is being bitten and injured by Zombies because they are made of magic, and in others he is getting turned into a Frog because that's just what the spell was designed to do. Superman's magic problem is a big fricking mess.