They're pushing bugmeat in media. Movies, games, etc. They want to condition young people to not be disgusted by the idea of eating fake meat like some dystopian nightmare. Instead they'll go "IT'S JUST LIKE IN MY SCI-FI MOVIES" instead.
>this heavily processes fake food is good for you
this synthetic meat is more processed than anything on the market.
it's not digested by your body in any way like meat.
you will not win and people will know the truth you fed Black person.
>this synthetic meat is more processed than anything on the market.
You are thinking about meat substitutes. Synthetic meat is just bacteria that shit formless meat that you cam structure to be whatever you want. In the games case, they choose steak. I think synthetic hamburger will be the first human edible meat product, as we don't really have the giving it a proper form part down yet.
Bethesda is too idiotic to think that far or deeply into it. They just add things to be wacky and quirky for their childish theme-park games. You aren't wrong but they would never try to normalize things like that after making a game where the Iron Giant hurls nukes while saying "Frick China and Frick Communists." I think if they made a dystopian game it would just be an outright attack on the elite...possibly.
certain special interest groups and propaganda proponents are involved in many different games and genres.
World of Warcraft has ex CIA agents working on it and Call of Duty is promoted and funded by the U.S. Army and other government agencies.
all of your media is filled with reinforcement and ideas according to what benefits the system regardless of political alignment.
harvesting billions of animals in horrid filthy conditions was the real dystopia all along.
Once you realize that shit happens to humans too you'll be angry and disgusted and won't want to eat meat anymore.
Or maybe the idea is that it's just a ration type of food since, you know, meat spoils? You probably wouldn't know that though since the only meat you eat are the tendies mommy microwaves for you.
because babylon 5 had the whole 'real meat is expensive to import so we eat fake stuff' element and all bethesda and bioware can do is rip off better settings.
is it because the meat is synethic? isn't starfield supposed to be a far, far into the future world where pretty much everything is going to be artificial or synthetic in one way or another?
right, he's upset that in the far, far future we are not factory farming animals and feeding them blood, plastic and skittles.
he doesn't actually realize where the jimmy dean sausage he eats come from, what the production process is like, or how much feces, pus and vomit is in it.
wait until bio-hackers release new animal viruses in 20 years with the intent of attacking food security, have fun with that one
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't derive nourishment exclusively by photosynthesis
ngmi
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's going to go great when there is no meat left at all and then 70 years later they discover those bio-hackers were hired by Big Insect™.
Because no, synthetic meat isn't ever going to be a thing. It's horribly unsustainable and has no redeeming qualities. If you believe otherwise you've fallen for the sensationalist journalist. Everyone in their own industry (synth meat research) knows it and they are just maintaining face for investments. It's actually even worse for the environment too, it's ridiculous.
11 months ago
Anonymous
anon I don't care to read your riffing, you are an uneducated person with absolutely no insight on the future of the world
you are mind-controlled into a little echo chamber box on Ganker because you think /misc/ are your friends and you just blithely repeat any party line from there, hook line and sinker; you are the exact same person as the trannies you so despise.
that you can't see it only agonizes me, trust me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>n... nuh uh! >but like, Ganker and /misc/ and stuff!
Never been to /misc/ lmao, you're just a sad little man.
Earth sissies are too attached to specific biological matter to conquer the stars. Heaven is not waiting for you to transport cattle, it belongs to those who dare to eat ze bugs.
thought experiments don't have anything to do with slopes, they're thought experiments. remember when I said you were stupid? It wasn't an insult, it was an analysis
I know you can't help it, but please, just stop talking. You guys used to have an idea of your place because the only interactions you could have with other people resulted in being told to shut the frick up 100% of the time. now you think your opinion counts because you can diarrhea it onto Ganker.
>n... nuh uh! >but like, Ganker and /misc/ and stuff!
Never been to /misc/ lmao, you're just a sad little man.
>the guy who makes the anti fake meat in a video game thread multiple times a day every day is not a /misc/cretin
man there is no littler respect given than to a person who can't at least be honest with themselves about who they are
Still trying that huh?
I ignore and hide these threads specifically because they are spammed so much.
But I entered this one out of boredom and here I found you.
I told you that you were delusional and told you the reality of your delusion of synthetic meat.
Instead you started talking about /misc/ and "muh trannies" and are trying to talk down to me as though you are some enlightened self-righteous being trying to teach someone while actually just attacking them to make yourself feel better.
You are sad. You are pathetic. I'd tell you to take a break from the internet but clearly you are lost in the sauce and too fargone to recover. Do yourself a favour and save yourself. Cut that internet cord. Destroy that wifi router. Turn off your phone. Touch grass.
No shit, if you are poor as frick cup noodles are basically a superfood because they are garbage, fast calories that you can throw whatever shit you have laying around into. They are critical to space-hobo roleplay.
the chef class seems like it starts the game with +30 bonus hp, so by that measure it's just going to be skyrim all over again where you timestop to stuff yourself with 30 pumpkins when you get hit by a sci-fi fireball
From a purely logistical approach, it's the most reasonable way to mass-produce protein that people will actually eat (not bug shit) in a galaxy of planets that may not have conditions viable for raising cattle
When you look at the energy cost of getting a piece of beef, you're losing a lot of energy in the conversion of >Sunlight to Grass >Grass to Cow
This is because the Cow is taking on calories to sustain itself, not for the purpose of being eaten by something else. So a lot of extra energy is burnt on stuff that humans don't care about when it comes to raising cattle like lungs or stomach or brain.
At its core, making food is a conversion process of energy and materials into nutrients and stored-energy for people. Like using a tree to store solar energy in the form of burnable wood.
So, the best way to produce meat at scale for a galaxy of humanity is to produce it in a lab where you can skip the Grass->Cow phase and just get the one part of the cow you actually care about grown en masse
>So, the best way to produce meat at scale for a galaxy of humanity is to produce it in a lab where you can skip the Grass->Cow phase and just get the one part of the cow you actually care about grown en masse
Unfortunately or rather fortunately there is exponentially more energy lost in the process of synthetic meat. So much so that it's far worse for the environment than you can even imagine for far less in return. And you're not going to just grow the "one part of the cow you actually care about", you either grow the whole cow in an artificial womb or you grow a meat slurry of 1 specific cell type (out of dozens in real meat) and form it into a product.
Currently there is, but I think the idea is that that energy loss will go down at some point in the future and become a more sustainable and scalable way of producing protein in the far-future (at least Starfield and a couple of other sci-fi stories seem to think so).
But to your point, you would more likely end up just creating one type of cell in a block, you wouldn't be able to create a fat-marble piece of steak like you get from a real cow.
But, again, for the purpose of making protein available to the galaxy in a future where the energy loss of lab-meat is lower than that of natural meat, that's probably an acceptable outcome.
And who knows, companies these days are trying to get Impossible Burgers to bleed, so maybe far enough into the future, you could get synthetic meat to be marbled with fat like a real steak
That's another key problem is the scalability. It only barely works on a small scale but completely and totally shits the bed as soon as you start trying to scale it up by every possible metric.
It's infinitely better to just have more "animal friendly" production of normal meat and normalize alternatives without trying to turn them into "You won't believe it's not meat!" and jading people. But instead we've doubled-down on the single worst options in current society and let them run rampant with overpopulation.
You clearly don't know all that goes into synthetic meat production and the requirements. There is far too much to justify it and multitudes of ways for it to frick up. Just grow basedbeans, unironically.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The game is set in the future. It's making the assumptions those limitations were overcome.
It's like seeing a flat and flexible screen in a sci-fi setting and getting upset because that tech isn't cheap/viable in the modern times.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's making the assumptions those limitations were overcome.
No it's not, it's a fantasy game and they want fantasy FUTURE sounding stuff in it. They aren't making commentary, it's a game. And you were arguing real world logistics so I counterargued that.
And it's not the same as the screen metaphor you tried and failed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what you are even arguing.
>assumptions those limitations were overcome.
Is the basis of scifi. The writers assume certain limitations we have at the moment will be overcome. Like warp travel, replicators, holodecks, none of that shit works unless they hand wave it away with some unknown technological progress.
I don't think we are actually arguing about anything.
If fake meat had the same or lower price, same taste, same or superior nutrition, used less energy, produced less pollution I couldn't think of an argument against eating it. I totally would.
They are already making artificial tissues using 3d printed scaffolds colonized by cell cultures.
Most of the research focused in the area is looking to make organ transplants but its reasonable to expect pretty convincing fake meat in the near future is possible. Unless the massively subsidized beef lobby doesn't decide to kill it.
Can’t wait for 15 thousand types of food that all do the same thing
Bu then again - it’s the essence of Bethesda games. Illusion of scale with no depth.
Acquiring nutrition solely via liquids will cause your jaw muscles to atrophy and your teeth to fall off. homosexuals who drink sojlent chew on gum to prevent it.
Also the glycemic index of that shit is through the roof and will predispose you to diabetes.
Transporting cattle in spaceships and grazing them on alien flora also seems like a logistical nightmare. An energy/space efficient bioreactor producing beef cells seems like a smarter option for producing food on a distant colony.
The only reason why cows, chickens and pigs are even kept alive as species is for food. Most aren't breed to survive in the wild and the ones that did survive would turn into invasive species that frick up the eco system.
>humanity has upgraded species status to interstellar travel and colonization >still eat the same crap we used to eat 10k years ago
This is hilariously unimaginative. Even Star Wars would come up with better stuff like [exotic animal] steak. Imagine traveling to another galaxy to eat doritos and bugs.
Why not
because
>are the bugs in the room with us right now?
>"Stayvun, why'd you eat that fake meat STAYVUN"
They're pushing bugmeat in media. Movies, games, etc. They want to condition young people to not be disgusted by the idea of eating fake meat like some dystopian nightmare. Instead they'll go "IT'S JUST LIKE IN MY SCI-FI MOVIES" instead.
thank god you'll never reproduce
based
bot post
There is already synthetic meat right now that you can buy and eat.
It isn't fake meat. Synthetic meat has the exact same molecular structure as meat from an animal.
>this heavily processes fake food is good for you
this synthetic meat is more processed than anything on the market.
it's not digested by your body in any way like meat.
you will not win and people will know the truth you fed Black person.
>it's not digested by your body in any way like meat.
post doctorate
>this synthetic meat is more processed than anything on the market.
You are thinking about meat substitutes. Synthetic meat is just bacteria that shit formless meat that you cam structure to be whatever you want. In the games case, they choose steak. I think synthetic hamburger will be the first human edible meat product, as we don't really have the giving it a proper form part down yet.
moronic giNger. have a nice day. SON of a old prostitute. You never be a woman.
you will never be fathers
I'm a father of five.
One hand is your wife and the other your kids?
synthetic meat is literally grown cancer. you're eating cancer.
Bethesda is too idiotic to think that far or deeply into it. They just add things to be wacky and quirky for their childish theme-park games. You aren't wrong but they would never try to normalize things like that after making a game where the Iron Giant hurls nukes while saying "Frick China and Frick Communists." I think if they made a dystopian game it would just be an outright attack on the elite...possibly.
certain special interest groups and propaganda proponents are involved in many different games and genres.
World of Warcraft has ex CIA agents working on it and Call of Duty is promoted and funded by the U.S. Army and other government agencies.
all of your media is filled with reinforcement and ideas according to what benefits the system regardless of political alignment.
How are those numbers looking? They weren't too good last year when people would rather larp as a giant duck with a sign than actually serve.
Bethesda belongs to Microsoft now. If they didn't think of it - their masters told them about it.
harvesting billions of animals in horrid filthy conditions was the real dystopia all along.
Once you realize that shit happens to humans too you'll be angry and disgusted and won't want to eat meat anymore.
>happens
Its already begun
Yes, yes, we have all heard. Chickens are people too. We get it Karen.
Even if you dont give a shit about animals you should want your food to come from a place that looks like an indian ghetto
>you should want your food to come from a place that looks like an indian ghetto
But I do because it's cheap.
So is canola oil
mhmm stir fry
Or maybe the idea is that it's just a ration type of food since, you know, meat spoils? You probably wouldn't know that though since the only meat you eat are the tendies mommy microwaves for you.
this is probably the saddest attempt ive ever seen on this board since 2006 at amplifying nothing into an issue dude, just stop
because babylon 5 had the whole 'real meat is expensive to import so we eat fake stuff' element and all bethesda and bioware can do is rip off better settings.
>Restores 3 health
are you eating it raw? ew
you think babylon 5 invented the idea of cultured meat in sci fi?
'course not.
TV writers read fiction and vidya writers watch TV.
I'm disappointed with the lack of fricked up meals
I think you can cook aliens meet
>I'm disappointed with the lack of fricked up meals
play honkai star rail, where your character learns crafting by making food out of the trash
why what?
it's some fat trailer kid who thinks he will be able to buy steaks in 20 years, trying to make this into the end of the world
is it because the meat is synethic? isn't starfield supposed to be a far, far into the future world where pretty much everything is going to be artificial or synthetic in one way or another?
right, he's upset that in the far, far future we are not factory farming animals and feeding them blood, plastic and skittles.
he doesn't actually realize where the jimmy dean sausage he eats come from, what the production process is like, or how much feces, pus and vomit is in it.
I love meat, and I love the way it's produced because it's cheap and sustainable.
shame what the future holds for you then
wait until bio-hackers release new animal viruses in 20 years with the intent of attacking food security, have fun with that one
>he doesn't derive nourishment exclusively by photosynthesis
ngmi
Yeah it's going to go great when there is no meat left at all and then 70 years later they discover those bio-hackers were hired by Big Insect™.
Because no, synthetic meat isn't ever going to be a thing. It's horribly unsustainable and has no redeeming qualities. If you believe otherwise you've fallen for the sensationalist journalist. Everyone in their own industry (synth meat research) knows it and they are just maintaining face for investments. It's actually even worse for the environment too, it's ridiculous.
anon I don't care to read your riffing, you are an uneducated person with absolutely no insight on the future of the world
you are mind-controlled into a little echo chamber box on Ganker because you think /misc/ are your friends and you just blithely repeat any party line from there, hook line and sinker; you are the exact same person as the trannies you so despise.
that you can't see it only agonizes me, trust me.
>n... nuh uh!
>but like, Ganker and /misc/ and stuff!
Never been to /misc/ lmao, you're just a sad little man.
Normally this would be a sign of the dystopic nature of the setting but Starfield didn't really give that vibe. So I don't know really.
Because the internet has made you mentally ill.
people like this are 100% crafted, packaged and distributed by /misc/
the last time this kid had an original thought was years ago
people like this are 100% crafted, packaged and distributed by /lgbt/
the last time this kid had an original thought was years ago
people like this are 100% crafted, packaged and distributed by /gif/
the last time this kid had an original thought was years ago
>responds with unoriginal thought confirming the analysis of him completely
lol
>responds with unoriginal thought confirming the analysis of him completely
lol
>people like this are 100% crafted, packaged and distributed by Ganker
>the last time this kid had an original thought was years ago
THICK ASS BOY
KRACHOW
Earth sissies are too attached to specific biological matter to conquer the stars. Heaven is not waiting for you to transport cattle, it belongs to those who dare to eat ze bugs.
Dirt is for the plebs. Real homies embrace the void.
>Christcucks are holding us back from delicious human meat.
>"WTF WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED TO CHOW DOWN ON MY MOM?! THANKS CHRISTIANS!"
???
>???
what is confusing? he posed a thought experiment, you responded differently
here is something funny about thought experiments: stupid people don't have access to the idea, so it utterly confuses the frick out of you
>thinking? just...for fun?
>why would i do that??? eat my mom???
Slippery slopes are like sinister versions of purity spiraling. I think just yesterday gay parades were something new.
thought experiments don't have anything to do with slopes, they're thought experiments. remember when I said you were stupid? It wasn't an insult, it was an analysis
I know you can't help it, but please, just stop talking. You guys used to have an idea of your place because the only interactions you could have with other people resulted in being told to shut the frick up 100% of the time. now you think your opinion counts because you can diarrhea it onto Ganker.
>the guy who makes the anti fake meat in a video game thread multiple times a day every day is not a /misc/cretin
man there is no littler respect given than to a person who can't at least be honest with themselves about who they are
Still trying that huh?
I ignore and hide these threads specifically because they are spammed so much.
But I entered this one out of boredom and here I found you.
I told you that you were delusional and told you the reality of your delusion of synthetic meat.
Instead you started talking about /misc/ and "muh trannies" and are trying to talk down to me as though you are some enlightened self-righteous being trying to teach someone while actually just attacking them to make yourself feel better.
You are sad. You are pathetic. I'd tell you to take a break from the internet but clearly you are lost in the sauce and too fargone to recover. Do yourself a favour and save yourself. Cut that internet cord. Destroy that wifi router. Turn off your phone. Touch grass.
>30,000 civilians eaten
The frick?
Cannibalism isn't illegal
>human meat
human brains will give you kuru (i.e. mad cow disease but acquired from humans).
Based Atheist confirm without Jesus there isn't civilozation
Because they didn't get the memo about fake meat being a fantasy. They just wanted "future food".
isnt the point of lab grown meat make it cheaper? they are imitating cheap frozen shit. not the quality fresh meat like wagyu, kobe or angus
>isnt the point of lab grown meat make it cheaper?
No, not at all. Largely to do with emissions and land use
>isnt the point of lab grown meat make it cheaper?
For the them not for you.
Kobe meat should be pretty rare, it was just one dude
>no self heating space cup noodles
i hope they spend that 4 months adding that content and animation
>just eat the processed fast carbs sodium junk
No shit, if you are poor as frick cup noodles are basically a superfood because they are garbage, fast calories that you can throw whatever shit you have laying around into. They are critical to space-hobo roleplay.
>consume our product instead spacegoy
>Goyslop
>Goyslop, Japan
:l
:O
a decade ago you wouldn't be making this thread every few hours despite this trope already existing
my biggest question is is 3 hp going to be a significant amount to ever be worth carrying this shit around
the chef class seems like it starts the game with +30 bonus hp, so by that measure it's just going to be skyrim all over again where you timestop to stuff yourself with 30 pumpkins when you get hit by a sci-fi fireball
>sci-fi fireball
>not sci-fireball
One job
Conservative outrage culture and its consequences have been a disaster for the internet.
imagine getting owned by josh sawyer
Because Star Trek has existed for like 70 years
>keep frozen
How the frick can you eat frozen steak raw wtf
uhh slice it thin?
From a purely logistical approach, it's the most reasonable way to mass-produce protein that people will actually eat (not bug shit) in a galaxy of planets that may not have conditions viable for raising cattle
When you look at the energy cost of getting a piece of beef, you're losing a lot of energy in the conversion of
>Sunlight to Grass
>Grass to Cow
This is because the Cow is taking on calories to sustain itself, not for the purpose of being eaten by something else. So a lot of extra energy is burnt on stuff that humans don't care about when it comes to raising cattle like lungs or stomach or brain.
At its core, making food is a conversion process of energy and materials into nutrients and stored-energy for people. Like using a tree to store solar energy in the form of burnable wood.
So, the best way to produce meat at scale for a galaxy of humanity is to produce it in a lab where you can skip the Grass->Cow phase and just get the one part of the cow you actually care about grown en masse
>So, the best way to produce meat at scale for a galaxy of humanity is to produce it in a lab where you can skip the Grass->Cow phase and just get the one part of the cow you actually care about grown en masse
Unfortunately or rather fortunately there is exponentially more energy lost in the process of synthetic meat. So much so that it's far worse for the environment than you can even imagine for far less in return. And you're not going to just grow the "one part of the cow you actually care about", you either grow the whole cow in an artificial womb or you grow a meat slurry of 1 specific cell type (out of dozens in real meat) and form it into a product.
Currently there is, but I think the idea is that that energy loss will go down at some point in the future and become a more sustainable and scalable way of producing protein in the far-future (at least Starfield and a couple of other sci-fi stories seem to think so).
But to your point, you would more likely end up just creating one type of cell in a block, you wouldn't be able to create a fat-marble piece of steak like you get from a real cow.
But, again, for the purpose of making protein available to the galaxy in a future where the energy loss of lab-meat is lower than that of natural meat, that's probably an acceptable outcome.
And who knows, companies these days are trying to get Impossible Burgers to bleed, so maybe far enough into the future, you could get synthetic meat to be marbled with fat like a real steak
That's another key problem is the scalability. It only barely works on a small scale but completely and totally shits the bed as soon as you start trying to scale it up by every possible metric.
It's infinitely better to just have more "animal friendly" production of normal meat and normalize alternatives without trying to turn them into "You won't believe it's not meat!" and jading people. But instead we've doubled-down on the single worst options in current society and let them run rampant with overpopulation.
It's a fledgling technology. Of course it won't be scalable for awhile.
You clearly don't know all that goes into synthetic meat production and the requirements. There is far too much to justify it and multitudes of ways for it to frick up. Just grow basedbeans, unironically.
The game is set in the future. It's making the assumptions those limitations were overcome.
It's like seeing a flat and flexible screen in a sci-fi setting and getting upset because that tech isn't cheap/viable in the modern times.
>It's making the assumptions those limitations were overcome.
No it's not, it's a fantasy game and they want fantasy FUTURE sounding stuff in it. They aren't making commentary, it's a game. And you were arguing real world logistics so I counterargued that.
And it's not the same as the screen metaphor you tried and failed.
I have no idea what you are even arguing.
>assumptions those limitations were overcome.
Is the basis of scifi. The writers assume certain limitations we have at the moment will be overcome. Like warp travel, replicators, holodecks, none of that shit works unless they hand wave it away with some unknown technological progress.
I don't think we are actually arguing about anything.
If fake meat had the same or lower price, same taste, same or superior nutrition, used less energy, produced less pollution I couldn't think of an argument against eating it. I totally would.
Same. I can scarcely think of an excuse now, except that I fricking love the taste of meat.
They are already making artificial tissues using 3d printed scaffolds colonized by cell cultures.
Most of the research focused in the area is looking to make organ transplants but its reasonable to expect pretty convincing fake meat in the near future is possible. Unless the massively subsidized beef lobby doesn't decide to kill it.
holy fricking shit ban all /misc/schizos
Can’t wait for 15 thousand types of food that all do the same thing
Bu then again - it’s the essence of Bethesda games. Illusion of scale with no depth.
might as well just replace all food with bottles of onions since they all do the same thing.
>bottles of onions
That's an odd thing to make a drink out of.
Acquiring nutrition solely via liquids will cause your jaw muscles to atrophy and your teeth to fall off. homosexuals who drink sojlent chew on gum to prevent it.
Also the glycemic index of that shit is through the roof and will predispose you to diabetes.
Didn’t the lore imply that Earth is too ruined for habitation? Then it’s reasonable to have space goymeat because Earth can’t farm animals anymore
Transporting cattle in spaceships and grazing them on alien flora also seems like a logistical nightmare. An energy/space efficient bioreactor producing beef cells seems like a smarter option for producing food on a distant colony.
>restores 3 health
oh great let me just pause the game by going into my inventory and eat 30 steaks to heal up
why do they keep doing this shit?
Onions green warned you about the slippery slope.
The only reason why cows, chickens and pigs are even kept alive as species is for food. Most aren't breed to survive in the wild and the ones that did survive would turn into invasive species that frick up the eco system.
>humanity has upgraded species status to interstellar travel and colonization
>still eat the same crap we used to eat 10k years ago
This is hilariously unimaginative. Even Star Wars would come up with better stuff like [exotic animal] steak. Imagine traveling to another galaxy to eat doritos and bugs.
Considering one planet is morons larping as cowboys, yeah it is unimaginative. Thats Bethesda.