Why are game developers so afraid of challenging the mathematical knowledge of players with their puzzles?
Why are game developers so afraid of challenging the mathematical knowledge of players with their puzzles?
Why are game developers so afraid of challenging the mathematical knowledge of players with their puzzles?
okay you can say im bad at geometry but i give up how do you solve this
you don't because it's impossible, not enough information
There's enough information
Enough talk, post your solutions.
there is, are you accounting for the rectangle being a square actually?
I'm sure I made an algebra error somewhere but I'm confident in my geometry.
Area of square is 0.16s^2
Basic trig
boobs
set an origin at left circle
circle points are where x^2+y^2=s
square points are where s-x=1/2( s-y)
work that through i dunno
I have a question for you, it has nothing to do with the specific topic, obviously you know your stuff. May I ask for your opinion about AI and game development. Yesterday I read (Nvidia developing complete AI games in 5-10 years) , how do you see this matter, do you think a lot will change and also replace devs?
>do you think a lot will change and also replace devs?
yeah. there was a video like 5 years ago (which i can't find now) where an ai was trained (it was just called deep learning back then) on frames of video output by gta5 combined with the game inputs. It was then able to 'hallucinate' a playable driving experience of gta5 - with some obvious gaps and mechanics missing - all coming out of a neural net using: no polygons, no code. This was BEFORE the current ai techniques.
But whether in 5-10 years AI will be able to create complete games that will be as great as if they were created by humans, I doubt it will be in 15 rather 20 years +.
it just depends on whether a company bothers to do it. if some company with funding starts applying current generative techniques to games you'd have shitty games next 2 years, mindblowingly good games like 2 years after that. same as with images and video. But it's also a possibility that no well resourced company will take it on.
I'm not sure what you're saying with the 20 years mention. Did you see how like 2 years ago nobody would have thought good AI video would happen for 10 years and then it took like 1 year after the images got good
yeah the ai videos came out of left field, i wasnt expecting that shit for at least another year or two
By 20 years, I meant that it will take that long until an AI develops complete games (albeit all alone) and are of the highest class, as if they had been created by humans. Images are something different than when you develop a virtual environment that acts interactively.
no sorry. you're doing 'the thing'
>no but this is different
>this has a special 'essence' that can't be reduced to mechanical calculations
It's all the same, it's all reducible input, output on a computer. Games are not even harder than video. Game graphics are shit compared to the recent Sora video demos and game 'logic' is trivial. If you slow it down it's the computer just keeping track of a lot of variables and states and updating them according to rules. Even shitty ChatGPT could do this now at low speed (inefficiently). Games are sort of the ideal easy thing to train an AI to make because they're already computer controlled so to make your training data you just tell the AI "try every possible action at every stage and every area in these 1000 games and note what happens in each case" You might say that seems like it would take an infinite amount of time - but that's exactly why people keep being shocked. Much of the current techniques were invented in the 80s and 90s but the papers came with the qualifier that "of course this can only ever be a theory because we will never have computers that can fit 2 GIGAbytes of data in RAM". That was like more RAM than was in the world. Time just adds zero to the scale of what data can be processed and things that seem absurd become doable and then trivial. It does cost millions of dollars to train something like Chatgpt that's why i mentioned a funded company who would need to put $50M or so into the training compute cost
Starting from now maybe it would take 5 years for the generated games to actually be good. 20 years is ridiculous.
*time adds zeros to the scale
as in january 10 february 100 march 1000
and there is a pattern, a thing called the 'bitter lesson' noticed by rich sutton every single thing that you think can't be learned to be generated by a computer is just solved completely by more scale.
Is that an S or a 5?
It doesn't matter
Why is the point where the two circles meet below the line connecting their centers?
its not drawn properly. the square isn't square either. but with these types of problems the figure is just illustrative. you get the information you need. if the drawing was too exact dumbass homies would try counting the pixels or some shit
Is s referring to the degree of the angle or a point in space, or both as in a vector?
I'm pretty sure s is the radius of the circle, so you're meant to solve based on s
Well in that case it's equals (s * (22 - 2)^2
I drew it in CAD and a side of the square is 2/5ths of the radius of the circles.
I think I've got it.
s^2 = (s - x)^2 + (s - x/2)^2
Running the numbers, you get (5x^2)/4 - 3Sx + S^2 = 0
Apply the quadratic formula, the two possible outcomes for x are 2S/5 or 2S. Since there's no way the square is bigger than the side of the rectangle, x must be 2S/5.
Squaring that, you get a surface of (4S^2)/25
FRICK I DON'T KNOW
I WAS NEVER TAUGHT THIS
but it doesnt look that bad
Because all players who are in a position to play their games have been through many years of a school system designed to induce a Pavlovian avoidance response in them so that their brain instantly switches off and they try to find a way to circumvent the task the instant they see anything that falls under the heading of "math"
People today are trained to perceive mathematics as painful, annoying, boring, stupid and a waste of their time and find the most efficient way to avoid it. If the most efficient way to avoid it is to close your game and uninstall it, that is what they will do.
Whatever any given system actually does is what the system is made to do. No intentions need qualify
This feels accurate because the moment I saw it was math the only reason I opened the thread was to see if some smart person knew the answer, I hate math, I failed math in high school and it didn't affect my life even a tiny bit
dev here:
BECAUSE YOU moronS CAN BARELY FIND YOUR WAY THROUGH A STRAIGHT CORRIDOR
There is no green square. Thas' a rectangler.