Why are Lawful characters always so dumb?
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because for a lawful character to distinguish themselves enough from just being a neutral character, they have to strictly follow laws that others made, rather than relying on their own intellect to make decisions for them
>Finland, most law abiding nation in Europe, highest IQ in Europe
>Japan and Korea, least corrupt countries in Asia, highest IQs in Asia
>Puritans, highly strict and law abiding, migrated from the highest IQ region of England and founded almost all American universities
>Criminality and thieving correlates with smaller brain size
>DURR LAWFUL IS LE DUMB
Gee I wonder who could be behind such a post
and Korea, least corrupt countries in Asia, highest IQs in Asia
lowest birth rates in the world lmao.
And what's ur birthrate gayget
5 kids and counting
Prove it.
pretty sure Korea has tons of corruption and even have a feminist death cult
What universities did the puritans found other than the 2 slimiest in the whole country? The ones most embedded in the corrupt political system. You morons can't decide if the ring of pedos and criminals running everything are based, or israelites, or what. You're deepthroating the same law system that enables the people behind the scenes. When they do something you agree with, the laws are good and should be protected and obeyed. When they do something you don't like, they're lawless israelites or whatever. Just a mishmash of conflicting bullshit floating around in your brain
Theyre corrupt youre just a moron. Also they are extremely racist.
they are ontologically chaotic evil
>korea
>least corrupt
That trait also makes them prone to being manipulated when conspiratorial groups take control of the system. Blindly following orders isn't ideal either. Just think about how many of them were vaxxed because they lacked the ability to separate from the herd.
>Japan and Korea, least corrupt countries in Asia, highest IQs in Asia
rofl
>wojak poster is a simple-minded moron
Many such cases!
People are "law abiding" in Finland because their government actually somewhat serves the public interest. They get a lot of benefits, and there is less class division than in most countries. Their needs are met and they have no incentive to lash out against the status quo. It's not a matter of "law good me follow law". Laws only have value if they benefit the citizenry. That's what makes lawgays stupid, they don't care about the pros or cons.
>Korea, least corrupt countries in Asia
They were/are being ran by a litteral cult for decades.
It's so cool how easy it is an get chantards to jump through every hoop dangled in front of them by just writing a bunch of bullshit.
corruption manifests in many different ways moron
>relying on their own intellect to make decisions for them
kek
>my subjective truth is true
get over yourself gayget
either something is true or it isnt
How is some dick head with delusions of grandeur because he won a rigged popularity contest any more qualified to decide what's truthful or just than I am? Politicians are the most out of touch people in the world, and that's when they're not outright corrupt.
This.
In order for them to believe the external set of truth, they have to not be sensitive to any contrary information. I.e. if you believe stealing is evil, then the idea of someone stealing because they're poor and need food doesn't register. They go:
>Stealing is *always* bad, because it's evil. You stole, therefor you're evil.
>But..but my family needs food and I have no money
>Prepare to feel my cold steel blade rectify the evil you've brought upon this world.
FPBP
The entire dnd concept of being lawful is setting aside your own perceptions and emotions and adhering rigidly to a code of conduct or the whims of an authority.
It is inherently opposed to flexible intelligent contextual thinking.
For me, Lawful Good characters are really fun to roleplay as
I like being an honorable hero who rigidly adheres to a moral code, a code that he's willing to die for.
Fairness is out there and easy to figure out.
homosexuals like you who confuse their personal whims with justice are the real dummies.
You can't build a society if every idiot who can justify something to themselves gets away with it. Law has actual value, as long as it's consistently enforced. Intelligent people ALWAYS outperform idiots in a stable system, and often get crushed by sheer numbers in an inconsistent one
lmao no it isn't. good/evil is a character's core values, law/chaos is the means by which they seek to live those values. A lawful good character isn't going to go kill innocents because king fricko le badguy says to. They're going to try and find a way within the system to save those people, or in more extreme cases decide that the authority/system is not legitimate and rebel so that they can impose their own system, etc. Law vs chaos is structured vs unstructured decision making, nothing more
It can be believing in the concept and importance of laws, right? They can still conceive of just and unjust laws, they just think it's better for society if they work within the system to improve it. A lawful good character in a lawful evil city would be interesting, they'd be severely hamstrung.
>It can be believing in the concept and importance of laws, right?
I think that even a chaotic character can understand the importance of laws, they'll just never follow them if they go against what they want to do, though a more chaotic person my just break the law just because.
>they just think it's better for society if they work within the system to improve it
I suppose this is true, but some people think they can still be lawful even if they break the law/oath they believe they SHOULD obey, if a morally dubious situation takes place, like lawful slavery, for example. If you would knowingly break the law to free slaves when you encounter them, guess what, you aren't lawful good, you're neutral good.
>I think that even a chaotic character can understand the importance of laws, they'll just never follow them if they go against what they want to do, though a more chaotic person my just break the law just because.
A chaotic character might consider laws a necessary evil but I don't think they'd place all that much importance on them, compared to a lawful character who would revere them or a neutral character who might fall somewhere inbetween.
>I suppose this is true, but some people think they can still be lawful even if they break the law/oath they believe they SHOULD obey, if a morally dubious situation takes place, like lawful slavery, for example. If you would knowingly break the law to free slaves when you encounter them, guess what, you aren't lawful good, you're neutral good.
This is a tough one. I guess it depends on what set of laws you're following? What if the laws of the people kidnapping slaves is at odds with the laws of your own country? If they're allies, that might muddy things further. If the slaves were taken from your lands, you've definitely got cause to take them back, even if breaks the laws of the people you're freeing them from. You've definitely got a point that breaking laws doesn't make a lawful person, but it's not black and white either.
I think that lawful only needs to follow the set of laws they've agreed to follow(disregarding things like, "yeah i'm lawful, the law I follow is that I don't follow other people's laws, lol). That means that they aren't suddenly not lawful if they break the laws of a nation they've never sworn to follow, but if they have agreed to follow a set of laws, breaking them for any reason certainly isn't a lawful thing to do.
>I think that lawful only needs to follow the set of laws they've agreed to follow(disregarding things like, "yeah i'm lawful, the law I follow is that I don't follow other people's laws, lol). That means that they aren't suddenly not lawful if they break the laws of a nation they've never sworn to follow, but if they have agreed to follow a set of laws, breaking them for any reason certainly isn't a lawful thing to do.
That's a good way of handling it. Otherwise it just gets far too messy. I've seen references to a "personal code" as well but that's a little too vague. Anyone can have a personal code. Having a specific set of laws they've explicitly or implicitly agreed to follow is the best course.
This. They essentially have to be moronic as a rule and can't think for themselves. The whole alignment system is moronic anyways.
She's dumb because she's a woman.
you’re dumb because you post here
She's not dumb because she's lawful, she'd dumb because she has 9 INT.
They not only abide by but advocate for a set of restrictions they did not create. To do so willingly you would by necessity be debilitatingly stupid
only LGs and LNs
LEs are 300 IQ Chads
>the dumbest of them all are 300 IQ
Lawful Evil is high IQ though. They're individuals who bend and twist the law to cement their authority over others.
this. there is no such thing as a LG or LN, only LE which is the alignment of all the israelites and politicians
People who blindly trust authority and can't handle nuance are moronic yes
Because laws are rules made up by morons to screw you and if you follow a single one a pixel more than armed men force you to you're an idiot.
Because it's trendy to be safe edgy.
Dogmatic to the point of stupidity. Regill’s rigid beliefs work in a brutal setting like the world wound. If he was the one haranguing my subjects in kingmaker his ass would have been grass.
At least the game knows she's moronic and shows it consistently through her dialogue and reactions. I hate characters that are clearly braindead but the game props them up like that burned elf e-girl in Wrath of the Righteous.
>but the game props them up like that burned elf e-girl in Wrath of the Righteous
You mean Regill
Regill isn't always right he only comes off as reasonable because of the setting where you're at nonstop war with Demons.
I didn't say that he was always right, I said that he game sucks him off just like Ember
What can I say to that? Stay weak.
Hello, is this the designated Ganker Pathfinder general?
i don't think so but it should be
Please don't insult my wife Valerie. She may be the literal definition of a bimbo but she's MY bimbo.
I don't want premade party members, I want to play with my own squad
What's his build?
Quarterstaff master Azata->Devil. The Dimalchio quest is his main quest btw, the worldwound shit optional
Pretty generic fighter
>deity: lamashtu
Based
>t.arue's daughter
here you go senpai
Too muscular
Monk? Give me his sheet. I think this is as accurate as it can get for ugly bastard.
>5 int
Nah, he's 20 int minimum since he can instantly mind break any women or even man in 10 pages or less
Yeah but in that anon's defense if you want to make a useful martial martial class in this game you gotta dump INT
where doc from that scat hentai?
What should Fumika's build be?
20 fighter / 20 barbarian
For me, it's Neutral Good.
>not a lolsorandumb reddit chaoticgay
>not a lawtist
>just a good dude
Literally me.
ahh yes, the cuckold Alignment. the fence shitter pacifist who thinks he is above the laws or the change of this universe
>The lawgay calling anyone a cuckold
If your king ordered you to give him your wife to frick you would gladly accept it because it's the law
Good is the most fundamental force, not Law or Chaos.
No it's how I actually literally am.
see
I don't see how an adventurer protecting the realm and slaying evil is a fence sitter pacifist
people get way too caught up in this dumb alignment shit
Alignmentgays can't understand nuance
alignments aren't supposed to be nuanced, that's the point. they're supposed to force the character to behave in certain ways. if you're playing some giga-int/wis rationalizer who can explain to you why him raping a baby to death is actually morally good because it gave him more pleasure than it gave the baby pain and here's the math that proves it, then you're probably playing the wrong game
>alignments aren't supposed to be nuanced
I agree - but there's decades of people arguing exactly that - the nuances of each of them and how they ''actually are''
just play a stupid character you like
Neutral good is probably the worst alignment. Certainly the reddit alignment. It's how people with this psychology imagine themselves (or their self idealized version).
>Thing I don't like
>it's..... le reddit!
Huh, I thought that was chaotic good?
this. Chaotic are the best alignment. it's pretty much the alignment of this shithole seeing as how we are bunch of CN or CE tards being ruled over by a LE jannies and mods
Lawful neutral is the autism and mental illness Alignment.
>we are bunch of CN or CE tards being ruled over by a LE jannies and mods
makes sense tbh. the jannies deleted my fallout 1 thread here but the BOTW cuckhomosexualry or the porn threads stay active and always hit beyond bump limit
Chaotic is the Black person alignment and the communist alignment. Lawful is the facist and the civilized alignment.
"lawful" is the cattle alignment
>yes goyim, dont question authority, just follow the laws, eat the bugs, take the booster shots
>Fascist
Yeah the fascists in pathfinder are also israelites
who know, maybe they can't write them, take Regill from Wotr, that manlet is muh about chaos, frick chaos, etc, but in the same time it will lick the balls of Devils, who are still going ro rape and eat you, but hey, at least is in the contract, so it doesn't' count right? also they are dumb because they obey laws made by morons, corrupted, people. Is hard to make lawful good, you will need brain and a good set of laws to make it work
>lawul is the fascist the civilized alignment
no is not
i am a CG gay who believes in the power of Friendship
How is wanting to be a good person reddit? Neutral Good individuals are just people who want to do the right thing, no matter what.
If the law is just, they're fine with it.
If the law is unjust, then they won't be okay with it.
For example if slavery was legal, a lawful good individual would reluctantly tolerate it, while a neutral good character wouldn't
>For example if slavery was legal, a lawful good individual would reluctantly tolerate it, while a neutral good character wouldn't
yeah tell that to Sarenrae and her followers, the Neutral good goddess in this setting
Sarenrae condones slavery?
no she doesn't. the empire that worship her primarily allows slavery and she doesn't do anything about it.
>and she doesn't do anything about it
Isn't that the case for pretty much every deity in this setting?
>not a lolsorandumb reddit chaoticgay
There's nothing less reddit than deciding for yourself what is correct instead of letting someone else tell you, and having the balls to take responsibility for your own decisions.
And Chaotic Neutral, I guess, is "don't tell me what to do" personified. He's not a moralchad like Chaotic Good, but he's got a point all the same.
Ah yes, the alignment for redditors who think they're good people but really aren't.
This, people can say what they want but they can’t handle how chad it is to just do good things for the sake of doing good things
Help, I've started the game and I cant decide between Lann and Whatshername at the end of the Maze
On one hand, I strongly dislike the latter for being a lying backstabbing b***h but I also feel like she's a more interesting character than the boring vanilla goody 2 shoes Lann
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a good guy, homosexual
And no, he's not, he's lawful neutral, and he's an butthole at times, also his questline actually gives him character development without needing to dick him down, unlike Wenduag
guess I'll try going with Lann for the first run then
>Wenduag
>Interesting
and no Lann is a Lawful neutral butthole who is pragmatic that Regill likes him
If you want minor spoilers then Wenduag has a romance redemption path but you have to deal with a lot of her bullshit to get to that point. It's pretty rewarding though. If you plan to do this then use a guide because it's easy to frick up.
>spoiler
I dont buy into the "I can fix her" bullshit and the only reason I was considering picking her is to see how long I could put up with her antics before she gets the steel capped boot
>I dont buy into the "I can fix her" bullshit
But you can literally fix her. Unlike a certain other companion.
her ''Redemption arc'' is shit and you are a moron for thinking it's good
>Some homosexual from Pitax shows up in my throne room to talk mad shit.
>It talk mad shit and talk about how much I'm going to tax him, how gay his makeup is etc.
>He can't take the bants and leaves
>Find him again on the road and save him from trolls and proceed to troll him further by saying how unfortunate it would be if he had a "accident".
>Valorie jumps to his side to defend him but backs down after he "milady's" her.
I honestly wish I could have just killed her stupid ass there. If you are going to turn on me for some homosexual Pitax noble then you really aren't worth keeping around anyway.
In Kingmaker at least Lawful Evil is the best alignment due to the fact that you constantly have to tard wrangle your own companions, your uppity subjects and your neighbors who either want to use you for their own political gain or want you gone because your growing barony/kingdom is starting to become an actual threat.
Young me was NG, older me is LE.
I like no nonsense approach.
Too bad there is only one Evil companion in Kingmaker.
Goblin is just moronic so I would not count him.
For being Neutral Evil Jaethal is surprisingly rational. She has her own goals and views but she respects your position as leader and even if you're a good alignment she tries to meet you halfway with logic like during the first part of her companion quest with those elves. Always wondered why she wasn't classified as LE instead.
Right? Her being inquisitor also gives her the lawful vibe.
Too bad I spammed AoE heals all the time so she never had a spot in the party.
You are too pure for this world :^)
it's the opposite for me, i was NE before, now i am a NG or try to be LG
I'm usually more chaotic but it makes no sense to be anything but Lawful in Kingmaker. The function and the overall story just calls for the alignment. They tried to make non-lawful options relevant but it's a fail.
Chaotic evil has it's moments
why is LG more Murderhobo than even LE in Kingmaker ?
Because you fight evil people
pretty sure those Bandits are CN criminals rather than Evil, they should be arrested and trialed by law rather than murdered on the spot
Au contraire. You just trial them on the spot. You are the jury, judge and executioner in one person.
Imagine religious zealot type of a character.
Average lawful "good" gay
What can I say, I'm in favor of moral relativism.
that's the most Lawful evil way of thinking, instead of giving the criminals a chance to change or jail them you just murdered them on the spot because they are bandits. you are in no way a good guy
>nooooooooo you can't just heckin kill me! I know I murdered dozens if not hundreds of travelers and peasants but I'm so sowwy
by killing that men you just send another soul to be judged by pharasma into becoming a Demon or one of thos creatures in Maelstrom or Abaddon, think about that before you raise your hand against another mortal that can shown the way to the light.
no the world is better off with them dead
if they wanted to stop being murderous bandits they could have tried at anytime to change
>if they wanted to stop being murderous bandits they could have tried at anytime to change
again that's very narrow way of thinking anon, YOU should be trying to Change them if they surrender and help them Atone for there sins anon. and if they shall not turn toward the light, you should give them a swift death with your sword
Not my problem
they had months, maybe even years to decide "hmmm maybe killing peasants to steal their shoes is a bad thing" they can't suddenly change their mind just because someone with a bigger boot showed up
>Not my problem
guess this
anon is right, you are nothing more than a CE murderhobo disguised as a LG ''good'' guy
morons. Lawful Good individuals EXECUTE evil. It's neutral and chaotic good beings who show mercy
>Play LG paladin of shelyn or sarenrae
>Can't show mercy anymore
>Fall and lose my powers
I would go with the guy who invented the alignment systems take on how alignments should work, rather than the version woke gays at Pozzo prefer.
Feel free to leave the pozzo pozzfinder thread then
It's a D&D alignment discussion homosexual, in case you didn't notice we've discussed characters from other games and alignments in general the entire time.
>CAN be executed
not
>MUST be executed
Can you execute the wrongfully accused and still be Lawful Good?
If you KNOW they are wrongfully accused you would not execute them
>There is a gold moron lizard in this thread
Don’t you have crying to do?
Lizard? I have no idea what you're talking about
>this moron thinks he's good
Absolute moral relativism tier.
>that's the most Lawful evil way of thinking
It's more Lawful Neutral, if the law prioritizes immediate justice over trials and process. Lawful Evil is more about deriving the maximum personal benefit from the law. If he stood to benefit from killing them, that's what he'd do, but he'd be just as likely to take them in quietly or even protect them (within the law) if he could work it to his advantage.
They can be arrested and given trials if they surrender, but they blindly attack everyone on sight instead
Bandits are Neutral or Chaotic Evil usually. It's the Fey who are neutral.
It's not neutral to rob people with violence, it's evil. Yes, even if you leave them alive. Unless there are genuine extenuating circumstances, it's not entirely unreasonable for a Lawful Good character to execute them on the spot (especially if they're caught in the act). But I imagine some Lawful Good characters would care too much about due process to do that.
no mercy to Evil people unless they are Redeemable cute girls
that's very Chaotic way of thinking anon, you sure you are Righteous?
yes. if a evil women can be turn toward the light without you doing any Evil shit then you are allowed to frick them with your righteous big dick
>LG gays acting like LE
You morons really have a skewed moral compass.
If the magnetic field of the earth can switch, so can the field for moral compasses
what's LE about Redeeming cute grills? and the only girl you can redeem in WOTR is Arueshalae so he is 100% right
not true, Wenduag exist too
no goodchad would touch wendu
LOL, LMAO even. you have to be giga moronic to think Wenduag Redemption is good or make sense . Arue on the other hand is a redemption arc done right imo.
>Wenduag exist too
until Act 4. give me one Good reason why i should pick her as a good person over Lann
She can survive till act 4 with lann?
she can give good heads and the hate sex would be amazing. plus her calling me master was pretty hot
yes. you can recruit her again in Act 3 if you pick Lann but she dies in act 4 iirc. i never picked Lann so idk
>she can give good heads and the hate sex would be amazing. plus her calling me master was pretty hot
Arue can do that and do it 30x times better because she is a semen demon who i can Redeem with my Love and Dick. so again, why should i let her live?
This, even knowing Arue has been fricked by countless exotic demon wieners and more. She is still the better choice over Wendu. And unlike Wendu, at least she isn't ugly.
stop thinking about Demon wieners anon, it's not good for you. now i am gonna frick the succ with my Shapeshifting powers
>blue hair but Black eyebrows
so is her Pubes blue or Black?
Those eyebrows are blue, you might be colorblind
blue.
sure. but she isn't carrying a big emotional baggage Like Arue or isn't afraid to do some naughty shit.
>why should i let her live?
because you are a person who believes a mongrel like that can change if you guide her in a right way?
>but she isn't carrying a big emotional baggage Like Arue
Did you even play the game?
Wendu best Girl!
have you? because unlike Arue she doesn't go OH NO MY LOVE I AM A HORRIBLE MONSTER WHO WILL ONLY KILL YOU STOP LOOKING AT ME!
cope Aruetard
compared to everyone else she doesn't bother you too much about it and keep reminding you like a certain succubus
yes Arue is humble and introspective unlike spider Starscream who would stab you in the back for a demon you can one-shot with Weird
>This moron again
Cope, your waifu is the very definition of mental baggage, isn't that why you like her so much?
you are Trolling right? please tell me you are deliberately trolling and this is just a elaborate shitpost
i am gonna ask you again, why would i a good person romance Wenduag when Arue exist for the exotic option? one is a Humble Succubus who wants to atone for her sins while the other is a irredeemable pile of Shit that shows no sign of change
>Le SEETHE
hang youself Wendugay, jesus what's with your bone with other Waifugays?
>the pic
Why do you want to smash a fellow anon?
because i am 100% sure he is a black and he needs my BBC(Buck breaking wiener)
Stop replying to him you dumb fricking moron
everyday i am amazed at the mental moronation of the Average Wendugay, someone should make a study on them honestly.
Are you moronic? Out of all the characters with mental baggage in this game (which means all of them besides Ember and Regill, maybe Nenio) Wenduag is one of the most baggage'd of them all
Wendu is ugly and she's also irredeemably evil. The most you can do is tame her through romance but she's fricking ugly with an ugly evil personality so why would you.
>redeemed
>becomes a warlord
genocide is literally lawful good though, if the race being genocided is "evil". it's fricked up, but that's how lawful good is in this setting
so Hitler is canonically LG?
According to /vpol/ yeah
Owlcat knows that the average lawful "good" player is basically the good equivalent of a chaotic evil murderhobo
LG = destroying evil is always justified
Cause there is lot of evil to smite, anon.
In a normal game, that would be the evil decision
>walk into a lawless land overflowing with evil people
>why are you killing so many people?
That's typically how people roleplay LG. Haven't you ever heard of paladin slaydars?
Because Lawful Good is a literal murderhobo alignment. If your opponent is evil, then you have full reign to torture them or execute them on the spot. And if their entire race is evil like the Drow or Goblins, then you are unironically allowed to genocide them.
That's why Ekun is pro Troll / Goblin / Kobloid / mite genocide. It's also why Ekun doesn't trust your half orc companion.
That's why Keldorn, a lawful good paladin in Baldur's Gate 2, is fine with people burning an innocent drow women alive. It's also why he advocates for literally butchering the evil aligned fish people in Act 4.
>It's also why Ekun doesn't trust your half orc companion.
Literally nobody does. Even fricking Nok Nok hates the guy. Octavia is the only person who puts up with him and even then their relationship implodes.
>and even then their relationship implodes.
They stay together if you don't date one of them.
>Literally nobody does.
I liked him. He's a total bro, and he reminded me of Wrex from Mass Effect.
>And if their entire race is evil like the Drow or Goblins, then you are unironically allowed to genocide them.
then Explain Inheritor, the embodiment of LG energy caring about Xorgus(CE) or even Caring about slaves in fleshmarket who are 70% demons.
Lawful good characters can be upset about an unjust law and petition for it to be changed, but they're not going to defy it.
The good in them recognizes that it's wrong, but the lawful in them acknowledges that they are powerless to stop it because it's the law.
A Chaotic or Neutral Good character on the other hand, wouldn't give a frick. They'd free the slaves and murder the slavers because it's morally abhorrent
I don't remember the Hand going
>oh well that's evil but slavery is legal here, nothing we can do about it
With that evil aasimar that killed the female aasimar slaves
You say this but this very same game has you killing Nok-Nok be a CE action
Viconia was never innocent. You do know she worships the most evil deity in that entire setting, right? And that she murdered an entire family in BG1? Maybe look at her alignment next time you play through the game. Keldorn was absolutely correct, the fact you want to frick the evil girl doesn't mean she's not evil.
so i am justified if i want to frick the CN succubus into becoming Good as a LG? she is on the path of redemption after all
same. i didn't hate him that much and he, Kenerah, Ekun and Jubilost pretty much carried me in the troll stronghold and the bloom chapter
yes? what's stopping you from Romancing Arueshalae as a LG paladin or any other class
yes. she is built and designed for LG wiener you moron
But anon I can fix her
>Viconia was never innocent.
She literally was. She came to the surface because she was literally TOO good when compared to the rest of the Drow. Her first god, one of the most evil gods in the setting, even abandoned her.
>And that she murdered an entire family in BG1?
It was between BG1 and BG2 actually. And she only murdered them because they tried to bury her alive.
> Maybe look at her alignment next time you play through the game.
All Drow are born evil. Viconia is like Arue in the since she's an outcast among her people
>Keldorn was absolutely correct,
He was wrong. Viconia was unironically innocent.
>she worships the most evil deity in that entire setting,
Shar isn't even that evil. Viconia worshipped Shar because she believed Shar could protect her from her original goddess. She also worshipped her because Shar is the goddess of LOSS. And Viconia LOST her brother, her mother, her family's prestige, and her place in Drow society. She went to the surface, and was raped, abused, and assaulted by surface dwellers simply because of her race.
No, she wasn't. She fell out of favor with the Priestesses Of Lolth and then to survive turned to worshipping another deity. Being the upright individual she is, she chose the only deity in the setting worse than Lolth, fricking Shar. And yes, Shar is absolutely the most evil deity in the FR setting, she wants total entropy and the end of all life and a return to total darkness and the extinction of everything and everyone in existence, since she resents that her sister Selune created life to begin with.
Also, no, I'm not talking about what she discusses in BG2, which happened after the events of the first game. Remember Viconia only is living as an outcast farmer AFTER BG1, as she says she went off to do that after your adventures were over.
If you cast Charm Person on the Flaming Fist trying to arrest her in BG1, he explains that he's arresting her for murdering an entire family including the kids. This is not the same family she talks about in BG2 since again, those events occurred after the game. Finally, Viconias alignment is straight up Neutral Evil, you don't get an alignment like that in the D&D universe without real, intentional viciousness and cruelty. Viconia is an evil and vicious monster, but most players that use her ignore it because they want to frick her. If Viconia had been the exact same character but a guy most of the posters here would talk about how they happily let him get burned and Keldorn is based for recommending it.
>Viconia is an evil and vicious monster, but most players that use her ignore it because they want to frick her
But I don't, her being evil is why I like her, so that I can fix her with my dick.
That's also why I like other evil buttholes like Korgan or Edwin. Miss me with this "le double standard" meme argument, homosexual
You're just proving my point that if Viconia was an Evil male Drow you wouldn't like her character and you certainly wouldn't try to "redeem her with your dick".
>if Viconia was an Evil male Drow you wouldn't like her character
I literally just told you that I like Korgan and Edwin moron.
>and you certainly wouldn't try to "redeem her with your dick"
Correct, it's called being straight, difficult concept to understand I know.
But if you just wanna run an Evil party you're just playing an Evil character, why would you want to "redeem" an evil female if you're just doing an Evil playthrough anyway?
So according to your head canon Viconia in BG1 had a good reason for murdering children. Right, we're done here, you're not even trying at this point.
Nice goalpost moving, but I don't, I use whoever I want.
You're saying you want to use Viconia to redeem her because of your sexual attraction to her, I point out that means you only like the character because you want to frick her and wouldn't want to "redeem" a male character.
Your response to this is you like running with Evil characters and an Evil party which is not something a Good character would do especially if you're not playing with mods or gaming the system since those characters will leave the party as you rise in reputation, so clearly you're not even playing a Good character to begin with and just like Evil characters, so why are you trying to "redeem" Viconia when you aren't even playing a Good character to begin with?
>which is not something a Good character would do
I have a Neutral Good Berserker / Mage who is romancing her right now. His best bro is also Edwin.
And keeping my rep under 18 is easy. I just go to the bard when I hit 16-17 rep, and have him sing a song about ferocious I am in battle.
>why would he lie
Because he doesn't know the full story? This is LITERALLY the same game where the Flame Fist are tricked into believing you're a criminal in the final act.
>I point out that means you only like the character because you want to frick her and wouldn't want to "redeem" a male character
No, you're acting like a redditor that cries about double standards and pretend that I would dislike a male drow character and would want him dead, when in truth I can like a character regardless if they're good or evil.
And, in proper BGgay fashion, you can't fathom the possibility of someone playing with multiple characters of different alignment, because you homosexuals only have "good parties" or "evil parties" an obsession that I always found weird.
Nok Nok can pretty much be rp’ed into CN if you play your cards right. Does this game actually let your companions alignments change? I never went devil or demon or whatever but i remember there always being a few you could pretty much have RP into behaving an alignment lower or higher, I just can’t remember if anything actually shifted in game
I'm not sure if there's any other instances but depending on what you pick in your second quest, Regonar/Octavia will shift alignments. If you let the slaves die, Octavia becomes CN, if you save them, Regonar becomes CN.
No one other than Octavia and Regongar can
Ahh I see, oh well you can pretty much have a lot of people behave a bit closer to what your character anyway would accept anyway so I’m okay with it. Nok-Nok in particular pretty much becomes chaotic stupid if you convince him to be the goblin hero or whatever it was. And it was satisfying, I think I just had to deal with some goblins flinging shit on my streets, a fair trade for Nok-Nok not murdering everything
Nok-Nok never murders everything no matter what ending you get, he always defaults to "let's fricking stab/burn them to death" but he doesn't go around killing people
Ah, I immediately went the hero route with the guy, figured he’d be a bit more goblinish if I didn’t
Nah, the other route is the jester one, where he embraces being a clown, that's why a good chunk of his questline is him fricking up and people laughing at him
>So according to your head canon Viconia in BG1 had a good reason for murdering children.
You don't have the full story. Maybe the Flaming Fist officer was lying. Maybe someone else killed the children and Viconia was framed. Maybe Viconia killed them in self defense after they tried to rape her.
We don't know what happened, because we weren't there.
However, we do know what kind of individual Viconia is: a woman who has a distaste for murdering innocents. She literally lost her family and her place in her society because she didn't want to hurt people anymore.
You only get that dialogue if you cast Charm Person on the Flaming Fist, he thinks you're his best friend and is magically enchanted to tell you anything you want, why would he lie? You are legit just making up head canon to justify liking a vicious murderess because you want to frick her. As I said, we're done here.
>implying
My Charname literally murdered an innocent Wizard because Edwin asked him too.
If Viconia was a male, and she had the same personality, I'd still like her. I just wouldn't want to frick her (or him in this scenario)
>>No, she wasn't.
Yes, she was innocent.
>She fell out of favor with the Priestesses Of Lolth
You conveniently left out that she did this BECAUSE she didn't like sacrificing and murdering innocent people
>he explains that he's arresting her for murdering an entire family
She probably had good reason for doing so. Viconia doesn't kill for no reason. So they were probably trying to assault or rape her.
>Finally, Viconias alignment is straight up Neutral Evil,
Every Drow's alignment is evil unless your name is Drizzit. You're literally born evil, just like Succubi.
And 'What is better: to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?'
>She probably had good reason for doing so. Viconia doesn't kill for no reason. So they were probably trying to assault or rape her.
hahahahahhahahhahahaha *breathes* HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>Remember Viconia only is living as an outcast farmer AFTER BG1, as she says she went off to do that after your adventures were over.
This doesn't make any sense. She was an outcast since day 1 on the surface. It could be very well the same family and BG2 is a callback to that.
Keldorn doesn't know any of that, he just saw a drow being killed and thought that it was okay because it was a drow
Keldorn can Detect Evil, she radiates Evil, plus she's Drow, how is that not good enough? Remember that Drow are pretty much vicious monsters 99% of the time in the FR 2E setting, and Viconia can be detected as Evil by Keldorn, so why would he want to spare her when both rational judgement and his metaphysical senses tell him otherwise?
You're once again reasoning on the basis of the game rules (I open this character sheet and it says Evil so they are, in fact, Evil. End of discussion.) which is completely bypassing this conversation about alignments and their application. How is Viconia's flavor of Evil any worse than Korgan or Edwin or Sarevok or any other Evil companion Keldorn conveniently has little qualms about coexisting with?
>Keldorn can Detect Evil, she radiates Evil, plus she's Drow, how is that not good enough?
Evil simply means you're selfish. Need I remind you that Edwin, Regil, Nok Nok, and Kanerah are also "evil"
Edwins entire introductory quest is his attempt to murder Dynaheir, do you really think he's just "selfish"? He's a fricking Red Wizard, and as is typical of Red Wizards sans 2E, is a megalomaniacal, self obsessed narcissist with grand ambitions to rule over everyone, and is willing to destroy and kill and brutalize anyone who gets in his way while doing so.
I won't get too into Owlcat characters because they never really wrote actually Evil characters outside of maybe Cam and Wendaug. Regill is clearly LN and aside from "victory at any cost" memes does or says virtually nothing Evil at all, he's not selfish or murderous at all, which also disproves your point that Evil is just "selfish" since by that very definition Regill can't be Evil since he isn't selfish. Nok Nok is CN not CE, he's not vicious or cruel enough for CE. Kanerah also acts more like a self absorbed neutral character than someone cruel or wicked.
>Kanerah also acts more like a self absorbed neutral character than someone cruel or wicked
It's hilarious to watch you have a meltdown over Viconia being evil while also saying this, try replaying Kingmaker again and pay attention to Kanerah's backstory.
>Edwins entire introductory quest is his attempt to murder Dynaheir,
You don't have to kill her. If your recruit Misc and Dynaheir first, then he begrudgingly drops it.
>kill and brutalize anyone who gets in his way while doing so.
He's incredibly loyal to my Charname though, who's a neutral good individual
>virtually nothing Evil at all,
He murders his own allies.
He literally worships Asmodeus
He literally goes to hell to be an archdevil if you help him ascend
If you play without mods with Dynaheir and Minsc in the party he eventually spergs out and tries to kill them, so no, I wouldn't say that qualifies as dropping it.
>and tries to kill them
Not if you leave Dynaheir in a tavern.
Both Regill and Kanerah are evil, you people are fricking stupid
I'm not denying they're evil. But they're also reasonable characters who could fit in a good or neutral party. Unlike say, Camellia or Wenduang, whom are literal sociopathic mass murderers.
Regill can behave quite murderously, it’s more about the fact you can reign in his decision making to be slightly softer or do the “I don’t agree but you’re our commander” as long you don’t push it too hard on certain points.
>You do know she worships the most evil deity in that entire setting, right?
You're not wrong, but you're also not right wrt to Keldorn. Dude is pretty much written to show the limits of a LG character played straight, with all the moral myopia you can expect from an old-fashioned paladin stuck in his ways. Shar might be one of the most evil deities, but it's not like Viconia is overtly and maliciously evil and she only worships Shar as a form of cope. To be able to understand that nuance is apparently outside the rigidity of the LG Keldorns of the world.
Lawful Evil would rather manipulate the law to his advantage. Lawful Good thinks he's a moral authority so he's completely justified in fricking everyone else up. It's like that C.S. Lewis quote:
>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
You are Judge Dredd.
>In Kingmaker at least Lawful Evil is the best alignment
Neutral is based
CN chads ww@
reporting in
more like the cuckold alignment. and besides, no one here is Lawful
Best party member
Best tank
Best girl
Best romance
She's basically tailor made to be the lich sacrifice
indeed
>chaoticmorongays instantly jump to screaming about cuckshit
you got some personal demons, champ?
You started it, mad when someone uses your shitposts against you?
Batman
People suck ass at writing lawful characters. Writers cannot fathom what it is like to want order in your life. It is normal for them to loathe authority or order and use lawful characters to vent their frustrations, or even just 1:1 adapt what they mistakenly think real life order is into a game world and then project what should happen. In the case of Kingmaker, all of the characters were the devs playsession characters. One of their wives played Valerie, who was the baron of their playthrough. Yes, that also means that one of their wives didn't understand the rules and played the barbarian premade, and yes, the swinger slaves you rescue were a real couple's actual characters.
If Valerie seems dumb, that is because it was the adaptation of some slavic wife playing a bad character in a group of first time players.
They're Russian. Being lawful there usually means being a dick and/or moronic.
Lawful neutral is the ultimate alignment because it enforces order and harmony. If you do good you get rewarded if you do bad you get punished and everything within reason. Everyone is treated fairly and get justice.
LN also does not believe in redemption and will force people into being evil to balance the scales.
Redemption does not exist in classical DnD though. Most evil races are born with their alignment. Only good and neutral races get to choose their morality.
>Lawful neutral is the ultimate alignment because it enforces order and harmony.
That's only if you're making the laws though. A Lawful Neutral living under unjust laws would mercilessly uphold them rather than try to help the people falling victimized by them. They wouldn't be good at recognizing extenuating circumstances either. It'd suck to get executed for killing the guy that molested your daughter, for instance.
And since law is of the utmost concern, I can totally see it being a surveillance state that stamps out individual choice.
On the plus side, it'd be quite peaceful and there'd be zero tolerance for corruption.
>and there'd be zero tolerance for corruption.
lolno. Lawful Neutral individuals would be the literal henchmen of Lawful Evil rulers, who are the face of corruption.
Lawful Neutral characters wouldn't stand for extralegal corruption. They'd stand for evil people making laws, sure. They wouldn't let a politician take bribes under the table, but if there was a law that made it legal for politicians to be paid by special interest groups, they'd potentially uphold it. On the other hand, if they thought it's too big a conflict of interest to align with the values of a lawful society, they'd work to have that law changed.
>Lawful neutral is the ultimate alignment because it enforces order and harmony. If you do good you get rewarded if you do bad you get punished and everything within reason. Everyone is treated fairly and get justice.
Most kino mythic
He does it for free
I've heard there salary has doubled since the Worldwound
>kills youself
>kino
Yeah, troony-mythic end up exactly as expected.
>preform the most altruistic act in the entire game
>troony shit
In the minds of the average LG Angel path tards, if you aren't geocoding everything you consider evil and acting in your own personal self-interest then that's troony shit.
LG and LN are extremely stupid alignments. It's all about turning off your brain to follow the law, no matter if it is flawed or not (and extraordinary situations such as adventurers typically find themselves in are situations where laws typically break down). LE is one of the most intelligent alignments though since it's all about rules lawyering your way to power.
>It's all about turning off your brain to follow the law, no matter if it is flawed or not
That's not what LG is, not if you're not moronic at least
Lawtists make no fricking sense in a world where they are forced to come into contact with a wide array of races and cultures that might challenge their notion of what is right and orderly and lawful. They're dogmatists in a world where the universe conspires for you to be Neutral Something, not Lawful Stubborn.
Sorry fricko, the sign when you came in says
>no robbing
>no murdering
>do not step on the grass
thems the laws
Blindly following law is moronic, but if I make a deal with someone I'll try to keep my end of the bargain.
It's about trust and consistency you don't want unpredictable people around you.
You might call this inflexible but at least your character will feel grounded in their beliefs.
But this is just aside of how moronic the whole alignment system is in those D&D'ish settings.
>the most intuitive and normal way to handle sliced bread is chaotic neutral
Huh?
>Blindly following law is moronic, but if I make a deal with someone I'll try to keep my end of the bargain.
This, I don't get how gays don't understand this concept. I swear and oath and I keep that oath, I make a promise I keep that promise and etc. Maybe its because the Pathfinder and D&D version of lawtistm is "did you steal something? I SENTENCE YOU DO DIE" when it should be "I turn you into the city guard".
I think of LN characters as not being incapable of questioning the law, or seeking to alter the law, but believing that strong laws are the most important consideration for both their own wellbeing and society as a whole. They might recognize a law as flawed but think it's much more important to uphold it than to rock the boat, because law is what matters most. LG has a degree of that too but is more likely to care about changing the law, whereas LN would think of it as a necessary sacrifice. LN might be willing to repeal laws but would be slow to do so, but probably very quick to make new ones.
It’s simple
>Go to place
>Follow laws
>Leave
There are of course exceptions for example certain Oaths in 2nd edition pathfinder allowing champions to ignore laws of fiends and undead as according to their own oaths they are considered illegitimate and therefore are not bound to follow any laws.
Valerie is a lot of things, but at least she's not a dyke.
>is strictly heterosexual
>yet does not want to experience motherhood and have 3 children at least
The worst of both worlds.
the israelite mythic path is pretty bare bones.
Hell of a theme though.
I will never forgive owlcat for fricking up the devil path
man i always wanted to play Devil because it sounds cool, shame we will never ever have a overhaul that turns it into a Early mythic path and flesh it out more.
nok-nok intmogs a majority of both the wrath and kingmaker cast
they're all dumb as frick
Aside from Valerie, only the undead companions in wrath have less int (implication that undead make them dumber)
>Why are Lawful characters always so dumb?
Because a rational person is aware laws serve as guidelines under which most of the society agreed to adhere to, not as dogmas which should have some holy status and be followed to the letter at all times.
Laws by their own definition are imperfect and fallible. If they weren't they wouldn't be a constant need to update/change them or fix loop-holes.
A sane person should follow the rules and the word of law, but not if those rules/laws come into conflict with their intent.
Thankfully enough, such situations where a good person would be compelled to break the law to do what's right happen rarely if ever in modern times (in developed countries at least), but Golarion and other DnD/fantasy universes don't exist in modern time with relative peace, low crime rate etc.
The world puts the player in a world where society isn't anywhere close to the stability of the real world and the far more complex socie-economic problems of their world makes our world's problem seem simply in comparison.
It's no wonder the player is often faced with circumstances which makes a neutral/chaotic good character take things into their own hands and basically result to vigilantism or straight up Wild West-styled justice if they wish to stop evil.
Then you merely need imagine the socio-economic context of the setting. Someone stealing a loaf of bread in a modern society might be just a petty criminal, but in a time and place where food is scarce that crime becomes much more severe.
Laws are rarely not just abstraction, and therefore those that adhere to them tend towards the nonsensical. IRL, a man kills a man, gets maybe 30 years in prison despite taking away more. The law only makes as much sense as those who writes them.
>a man kills a man, gets maybe 30 years in prison despite taking away more. The law only makes as much sense as those who writes them.
Did you consider the idea that making violent crimes punishable by death or maiming would only lead to more violent crimes?
Imagine you're a criminal and you're facing certain death if captures or having your hands/arms/legs chopped off.
What do you think people with nothing to lose would do if they were already fricked? They would be even more violent, resulting in more death and suffering overall.
It's be like GTA where a robber doesn't care about slamming into pedestrians to get away because he's fricked anyhow.
>Did you consider the idea that making violent crimes punishable by death or maiming would only lead to more violent crimes?
Yes, that's why you give them a trial and then three months in prison prior to execution, but ultimately the construct that is our society demands retribute so our trust will stay high. Whether they fight back or not is immaterial. The blood is owed, it must be had. That blood being paid is more important than innocents getting hurt from the criminal trying to stay a criminal. Eventually, functionally everyone would bow, and you can't say that they wouldn't because that's just how all human history was run up until a couple hundred years ago.
t. Lawful Evil
>Eventually, functionally everyone would bow, and you can't say that they wouldn't because that's just how all human history was run up until a couple hundred years ago.
lmao
Desperate people will resort to desperate things no matter how draconic your laws are.
Even when people were being executed for something simple as insulting someone or looking weirdly at their lord, or having their hands chopped off for stealing an apple, people still ended up committing crimes out of desperation.
Your approach was already proven ineffective millennia ago and nothing has fundamentally changed since then to make it suddenly work as a detriment for human civilization as a whole.
The only way to make away with most crime is to make away with poverty, corruption and greed, through education, raising standards of living, and making corruption both harder and less worthwhile. And even that is a long-term game.
Making draconians laws will never ever work and only lead to even more bloodshed and suffering,
You balk at a devil's soft touch thinking you're free when the truth is you've literally never been more irrelevant as a proletariat. Peasants could at least rightly claim they were needed to produce food, but if you refuse to do as you're told now you'll just be replaced. The compartmentalization of society has made freedom completely unnecessary when you have an on demand lower class, but do go on about your delusions. Your solitude is not freedom.
Lawhomosexualry aside, Is 20 Instinct/ 20 2 handed fighter good for legend? i want to try Legend out because i heard it's one of the few good late mythic paths.
nice try
Doesn't sound unfair viable but anything floats on normal if you can keep death ward etc up.
You'll struggle with low attack bonus on anything above core unless you know all the tricks like guarded hearth and justice mark.
i don't play on Unfair and will never play this after this game after this one. Core and Daring are an okay Difficulty imo.
Any stacking of two full bab classes gets the job done on core
I watched Conan the Barbarian 2 days ago, and I thought it was boring as frick. Excalibur is the superior 80s fantasy flick
>mfw there's always that one person in these topics that think a lawful good character would slaughter a town of innocent people because the ''law'' of their ruler is decreeing them to do so
I still don't think there's much nuance to the good alignments, you do good and work with the law until the law proves itself corrupt. Yeah, even chaotic good wouldn't go out of their way to frick up the law if it isn't hurting anyone.
The the evil alignments - that's where the real differences come in.
>I still don't think there's much nuance to the good alignments, you do good and work with the law until the law proves itself corrupt.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, there's no difference between LG and NG if all that's LG amounts to.
Following laws until they prove to be insufficient or corrupt makes lawful character not lawful.
A lawful character is supposed to adhere to the rules/laws because they believe the world needs order and without following the laws at all times can lead to further evil. Even if the laws are insufficient and can result in allowing the evil to get away, they would still follow the law because breaking the law might/will introduce even more unlawfulness into the world.
And it doesn't matter if they are laws/rules of a given nation or of some order/group/personal creed.
Any character that doesn't follow the laws at all times isn't lawful by definition. NG characters also follow the rules but are not bound by them unlike LG characters who believe that only by following the rules can society function.
They still follow the law.
>Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, there's no difference between LG and NG if all that's LG amounts to.
That's exactly what i'm saying.
>I just think they have different thresholds and different ways of thinking. A NG character only cares about good, and isn't invested in upholding the law, and is therefore more likely to ignore an unfair law. LG will work with a flawed system for longer, doggedly trying to make the legal system work, because he believes in the importance of the law. You better believe he will root out corruption though.
CG just doesn't really care for laws at all, and would rather decide right and wrong on his own. Probably has a very high bar for what he considers to be legitimate authority.
>Probably has a very high bar for what he considers to be legitimate authority.
You could show them a literal lawful good God and they would argue with them about what makes them so high and mighty
>You could show them a literal lawful good God and they would argue with them about what makes them so high and mighty
Yeah, who the hell elected you God anyway! Did I swear an oath to you? I don't think so, buddy.
>why are pozfinder characters so bad
FIX THE FRICKING RESPEC MOD
bro just use the Respecc from the Toybox mod
Is unfair really that bad or can you make it without shit like monk dips? I'm tempted to do a third playthrough after beating it twice on core. Probably as an Azata sword saint of Gorum
Why go from core to unfair? Play hard instead.
Unfair has achivements for beating it.
>following some moronic rulers law
LoL imagine not following your own personal set of rules and law that you adhere to Religiously
I think a lot of people misinterpret that even an "Evil" society wouldn't necessarily want Evil subjects. They'd want whichever is easiest to control, just like Neutral would want Good subjects because they're idealistic.
I tried to play this but I always get filtered in first combat
I never played nay of these type of games other than dos 2
but combat is sooo different
I want to try again but I am afraid I will just quit after getting filtered in the first combat after the tutorial
what difficulty? I played on normal and auto-fought all battles in real time mode except the bossfights up until drezen I think
Happened to me twice, but my friend encouraged me to give it a 3rd try and I'm happy he did. If you are new to Pathfinder, you might want to look up a character build. You'll get an idea what you want to focus on and learn as you play
Magus is the best choice
>I tried to play this but I always get filtered in first combat
If your player character is a martial, give them 19 in STR or Dex depending on their build. Then make sure they pick up Outflank, Improved Critical, and Blind Fight.
If your player character is a mage, give them 19 INT or Cha depending on their build. Then pick up Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration, Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration. Then pick up Grease, Glitterdust, Stinking Cloud, Sirocco, and Cloudkill.
These are your bread and butter spells and one cast of them will allow you to completely and utterly dominate an encounter.
Grease - Knocks enemies that cross it to the ground, rendering them prone. Prone enemies take a -4 to their AC. Prone enemies are also unable to attack, and when they attempt to stand, you and your party can attempt an attack of opportunity on them.
Glitterdust - Blinds the enemy. Blind enemies lose their dodge bonus to AC and take a penalty on their chance to hit your melee characters in combat. Glitterdust also reveals invisible enemies.
Stinking Cloud - Enemies that fail a save are nauseated and can do nothing but stand there in pain. Put "Delay Poison" on your martials to make them immune to stinking cloud, so they can walk into the poisonous fog and beat on your enemies while they basically just stand there unable to move or attack.
Cloudkill - Super version of stinking cloud that also does poison damage every round to enemies. The poison damage is actually top tier since it damages an enemy's constitution stat every round, and if an enemy's constitution goes to zero, they instantly die. Also has a chance to pretty much instagib trash mobs.
Sirocco - Basically grease, except it also has incredible aoe damage
If you want your mage to be a blaster, then wait until midgame (so you'll have more spell slots), then pick up Magic Missile, Scorching Ray, Hellfire Ray, and Chain Lightning.
I will gibe it anew shot and I wanted to play as a caster anyways so I will try your points
I am curious though, if I want the second game with purple lady is there any benefits of having played the first one other than being familiar with the mechanics?
>if I want the second game with purple lady is there any benefits of having played the first one other than being familiar with the mechanics?
Nah. Nothing carries over between games. And both stories are standalone.
Mostly mechanics and you’ll miss out on a few minor cameos and references. Little carryover between games otherwise
To add to this, every enemy has "saves" which is their chance to evade a spell or combat maneuver like trip / disarm.
Because if an enemy hits you with a nasty spell, then your character will be
For enemies, you want to target them with spells based on their weaknesses. For example, trolls have high fortitude saves, so spells like "Stinking Cloud" will probably be resisted by them. But at the same time, their reflex and will saves are weak, so you can trip them with grease (reflex). or prone them with a cast of hideous laughter (will save).
Fey are the opposite. They have high will saves, but low fortitude saves, so you can drop a stinking cloud on them and they'll basically be paralyzed.
Bandits have weak saves across the board, so any spell will work on them unless they're a boss.
>Because if an enemy hits you with a nasty spell, then your character will be
Whoops. I forgot to finish this sentence.
Like enemies, your character is also susceptible to spells. So you want to pump your saves as high as possible with gear, so that you aren't hit with a spell effect like "frightened" or "confusion". Because these spells will literally take your characters out a fight for a minute or more, which is an instant party wipe
What does Desna smell like?
flowers and wild fresh grass my fren
>What does Desna smell like?
>butterfly wings
>butterfly symbol
Sweet flower nectar obviously.
Elysium
>wow she's moronic as hell
>go out in the woods
>save two slaves
>They're in an open relationship
>except only the woman fricks others
Il install it again another time but im siding with the villains
only the woman fricks others
Why do you morons always make shit up
all Humans are Lawful by nature. because without Law and order we are nothing but Animals. Law is the dream of man, Chaos is the rules of Nature itself.
anon, humans ARE animals...
>anon, humans ARE animals...
Wrong.
>Humans are no better than Animals
Right, but for the wrong reasons. Humans, are not ruled by their instincs, we have the option, the freedom, of choice, when a wolf is hungry it hunts and kills, when a man is hungry it go out of his way to prepare the food in a way he likes it, with unnecesary spices and presentation. We are better because we can choose to do good, and we are worse becuse we can choose to do wrong, a wolf kills a rabbit it's because their instincs demended it, when a man kills a man it's because he chose to. Animals can't be good nor they can be evil they just follow their nature.
And that's why neutral evil is best, go murder because you can, and because you can, you should.
>Wrong
you are moronic
>Humans, are not ruled by their instincs
illiterate and very, very moronic
this is what I imagine happens when you homeschool biology
, are not ruled by their instincs
>illiterate and very, very moronic
Tell me anon, did your instincs tell you to write that post?
This is what happens when you don't take basic psychology.
the answer is yes
I understand what you're trying to say despite incorrectly using term instinct both times because I met clowns like you in the past
if you actually took basic psychology (it's in the first semester course) you wouldn't make yourself look like a mouthbreather
>the answer is yes
Anon I'm afraid to tell you that there is in fact no instinsc that tells you to shitpost on Ganker.
>(it's in the first semester course)
I'd doubt most universities woud start with Freud, first semester is generaly introdution to psycology as whole, it's history and its branches.
frick off moronic pseudo, Humans are no better than Animals
this
so the next game is going to be Iron gods right? it will allow them to atleast reuse some assets from RT and gunslinger will fine get added
>Lawimplies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
>alignment is a spectrum
>the chaoticgays are the ones telling me I need to adhere 100% to the dogmatic ideation of my alignment or my alignment is wrong
>have the gall to call me the autist
Really makes you think
Ironically you see the flaws in lawyers. They're book smart but in real life situations have 0 intellect. Rigidity in belief is never intelligent, you fail to grasp different points of view and therefore can't think ahead or around them.
Law is much more like theatre than mathematics.
There has been a growing archetype in hollywood of that sort of character, the type that is a decent person but is ultimately portrayed as dumb and their kindness as a flaw.
It's because they are brainwashing people into believing that if you are kind then you must be stupid, or that if you are nice bad things will happen to you.
It's entirely demonic.
Really? Nobody?
Very rarely do I see movies genuinely do that, it's usually their kindness is born from a place of naivety but they're still ultimately shown as good people. Their kindness is hardly the flaw
Not always. A Song of Ice and Fire does a good job of portraying good and lawful characters. They don't always win, but even when they fall, they're impact is so profound, that their allies are willing to fight and die for them.
Ned Stark, a lawful good man, dies in Season 1. And the entire North rises up to avenge him.
Tywin Lannister, a lawful evil sociopath, dies in Season 4. And his own family doesn't even give a shit.
King Robb Stark, a lawful good teen, dies and the entire North secretly conspires to avenge him and overthrow the crown.
King Joffery, a chaotic evil maniac, dies and people cheer.
Oberon Martell, a chaotic good rogue, dies and his daughters rise up to avenge him.
>Tywin Lannister, a lawful evil sociopath
>King Robb Stark, a lawful good teen
>Oberon Martell, a chaotic good
Showgays I swear
he's right about Tywin and Robb. Oberyn is chaotic neutral.
Tywin is Lawful Evil, though. You could argue that he's Neutral Evil, but he's textbook Lawful Evil imo. He rules through intimidation, underhanded tactics, and brute force; and he has massive hardon for being in charge of everything/
>King Robb Stark, a lawful good teen
Yes? All of his actions were lawful.
He married the Westerling girl because he valued her honor more than his own. He sullied her (meaning no other noble would take her), and he knew that if she became pregnant, then her child would be a bastard like Jon (hated, ignored, and scorned).
He executed the Karstarck commander, knowing that doing so would alienate him from 1/3 of his army. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.
For Oberon? I guess you could see him as chaotic neutral.
Robb broke his oath to Walder Frey. Which, by the way, got a whole bunch of people killed.
He's closer to NG or CG. A lawful good character would've rejected the sister and done their duty even if they didn't like it.
>Robb broke his oath to Walder Frey.
Because he was drunk out of his mind and a women took advantage of the situation to frick him.
Robb would have been fully within his right do denounce her. But no, he chose HER honor over HIS honor. He thought of what would happen to her, and any potential child that she could've had from the situation. And he put their future over his.
>Which, by the way, got a whole bunch of people killed.
You're oversimplifying the situation. Roose Bolton had already betrayed him long ago, and been slaughtering his troops. Robb was going to get backstabbed either way before he reached King's Landing.
>Woman takes advantage of man
>Same man prioritizes her honor over his
He deserves whatever happened from the result of that decision
he deserves getting slaughtered at a wedding?
If that's a direct result of that action then sure
>Tywin is Lawful Evil
Ah yes a false peace banner and then sacking a city very lawful or what about orchestrating the death of those who have partaken in guest right quite lawful.
>Robb Stark
Ah yes the same Robb Stark who crowned himself king usurped the Riverlands and the North all while ignoring the call to arms from the rightful King. very very Lawful Good the spitting image of his father. at best he titers on the edge of NG and LG
>Oberon
Yep Chaotic neutral there is no arguing good here except that his enemies are evil.
>Ah yes a false peace banner and then sacking a city very lawful or what about orchestrating the death of those who have partaken in guest right quite lawful.
Yes? The Italian Mafia for example is Lawful Evil.
Hitler and Stalin were Lawful evil.
Lawful Evil = I use the law to manipulate situations in my favor and consolidate power. I.E. the law exists to serve me.
Ned is pretty much Lawful Stoopid, not only does he die a completely preventable death but his family gets completely split or killed as a result, effectively ruining multiple lives and his legacy. All because he had to be Lawful moronic. You can inspire undying loyalty without throwing your life away at the first opportunity.
To be fair, he did realize it at the end and threw his pride aside, it was just too late. And because just like he is Lawful moronic, Joffrey is Chaotic moronic.
>Ned is pretty much Lawful Stoopid,
End this meme. Ned was not Stupid. He was unlucky.
>B-but he told Cersei his plan
Cersei had already put out the hit on Robert. She was already planning to kill Robert that day and seize the throne BEFORE Ned approached her.
>B-but he defended Catyln
Yes, because that was his wife. Catelyn was wrong to kidnap Tyrion. But if Ned acknowledged this and said she acted on her own, then that put her life in danger.
>b-but he bought Sansa and Arya with him to the Lion's den
Ned had no way of knowing just how far the Lannisters had already taken over the King and King's Landing. When he got to the capital, he was mortified with how many Lannister troops were in the capital. He was mortified at the Crown being in debt to the Lannisters.
>B-but he should've sided with Renly
Why? Renly's actions would've led to the bloodshed of innocent knights and children. Ned had no reason to believe that the King's Guard and the City Watch were compromised.
>B-but he shouldn't have trusted littlefinger
He didn't at first. He only trusted him because his wife vouched for her. Even then, he was still hesitant. It took months for Littlefinger to gain his trust.
>He shouldn't have sent men after the Mountain
Literally nothing wrong with this.
Ned did nothing wrong. Cersei just got stupid fricking lucky.
Ned's entire existence has revolved around protecting children. It's not Lawful Stupid
More like lawful too trusting at times. He mostly got unlucky, a stark just isn’t meant to be in kings landing it feels like. The male starks were better off leading armies than engaging in politics
I can get behind the idea you're laying down but from my view I think the kind but dumb thing is mostly because in these fantasy settings we get the perspective of ''farm boy with a sword'' who doesn't know shit but is willing to set out to try and do what's right. I suppose it feels more humble and down-to-earth that way, it even gets me because I love it.
Bros, I'm mad.
I beat the SHIT out of Minagho, and had gay bara shifter man grappling her ass.
Okay, so no teleports because sword of valor, I just beat the shit out of you, AND this dude has you grappled, you can literally see the grapple effect even during the cutscene.
>she turns around and jumps off the window
I'm so fricking mad, the fricking grapple fx even glitched out and stretched.
That shit is bad enough when bosses pull that shit 'actually you beat me but we're in cutscene mode now I win!!!' but this felt even worse, FRICK I'M GONNA HAVE YOU TORTURED IN THE SQUARE
Lawful should just mean you believe laws are the best way to structure a healthy society, not that you have to follow every law blindly.
Thats what LG and LE mean, LN either is lawful stupid eveylaw should be followed or someone in the process of becoming LG or LE.
Depends on the character, there's a difference between "I just personally believe in the rule of law, but I'm not about to let a guardsman beat a peasant to death because the rules say 'yeah that's okay" and "I'm honorbound to an oath that says I must follow these principles to the tee, regardless"
That is what it means. It means order and structure, traditions, etc. It has nothing to do with following it blindly. That would more fall within the purview of good/evil. It's why lawful evil is a really cool alignment that you don't see nearly enough. Regill is a great example of it. He doesn't follow laws just because he wants to. That Hellknight leaving their post to warn the PC getting both double pay and a 100 lashes is the perfect example of the mentality.
Viconia = Best Girl, especially because you can fix her
(What is this lewd mod?)
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I wish there was a stupid alignment. I just want to play as a moron, with the good/evil lawful/chaos changing the flavor of the stupid
>I just want to play as a moron,
Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil. Take your pick.
There's always a way to play a silly little lad
A complete moron would be true neutral.
A complete moron would be chaotic neutral. They're simply following their inner nature without any thought of the consequences that could arrive from their decisions.
True Neutral is for NORMAL people who are neither chaotic nor lawful, and neither good nor evil.
Filtered
There is no such thing as being neither good, evil, lawful or chaotic, unless you literally do not act. True neutral is actively seeking balance between good and evil, order and chaos.
>True neutral is actively seeking balance
No. True Neutral is someone who isn't altruistic enough to go be a hero, but not selfish enough to play the role of a villain, who serves their own interests, to the detriment of others.
A True Neutral individual just wants to go about their day to day life. They may help someone if it doesn't inconvenience them or put them in an uncomfortable situation, but they're not gonna be a saint. Likewise, they might steal some gold if it's left unattended on a road (much like how people pocket 20 dollar bills), but they're not gonna go rob a bank.
Depends. A true neutral person might be as you describe and not really care about good and evil, law and chaos, but it is possible for them to truly believe that the best way lies in a balance of all four axes. Too much order is authoritarian, too much chaos is anarchy, and maybe take a darwinist/survival of the fittest approach to the good/evil axis.
>A complete moron would be chaotic neutral. They're simply following their inner nature without any thought of the consequences that could arrive from their decisions.
Who says they don't think about the consequences of their actions? They just value personal freedom above other concerns, they don't give a shit about good or evil. Doesn't mean they won't be smart about it. They might even believe that same freedom should be extended to everyone, although that's verging on Chaotic Good territory.
no, that anon isn't saying that chaotic neutral is completely moronic, but that a complete moron would fit somewhere within chaotic neutral
>no, that anon isn't saying that chaotic neutral is completely moronic, but that a complete moron would fit somewhere within chaotic neutral
Oh, that makes sense. My mistake.
>I just want to play as a moron
Then just pick any alignment and act like a moron, every alignment has the dedicated extremist moron, that's why alignmentBlack folk are constantly fighting about it
>noooooo chaotic is moronic!
>noooooo lawful is moronic!
>noooooo good is evil is!
this
alignment is an indicator of the character's general morality and beliefs, but as reality often reminds us, people usually say and even think one thing, and then do another. A lawful good character can absolutely murder an innocent family of 4 and be within alignment, under the right circumstances.
There's at least a degree of externality in alignment, and that externality is usually the DM. He might, potentially, let you get away with something like that and remain Lawful Good within extremely specific circumstances (I don't really see it, though), but he wouldn't let it slide just because your character justifies it to themselves and still thinks they're a good person.
Chaotic evil or Lawful neutral or hell just play as a chaotic good I can fix her gay like Dimalchio
I always play Druid so I'm stuck on the Neutral axis, and I'm entirely okay with that.
I honestly have tried to play Evil characters but it's just not possible in most game. Evil options don't exist, just Stupid. The Alignment chart is Lawful, Neutral, Chaotic from left to right and Good, Neutral and Stupid from top to bottom.
I'm trying a LE/NE Lich playthrough on WOTR. Maybe it'll work out this time...
How will Owlcat handle alignment in the new 40k game? Since to my knowledge 40k does not have an alignment system
They haven't, it just has some sort of "morality" system that determines how much of an imperiumgay you are, how much of a heretic you are, or how much of a good person you are
three alignments
>Imperialis
Imperial loyalist
>Benevolentia
Morally righteous but neutral
>Hereticus
guess
ca i be Imperialis Benevolentia (LG)?
they're all separate bars instead of an alignment chart so most likely
I got a bit of Imperialis and Benevolentia, though I guess it benefits you more to go into one tree since you get rewards for doing so.
>righteous but neutral
hmmmm
>Benevoletia
>Sees a hereticus female knee deep i. Imperialis blood
>Icanfixher.jpeg
>Yeah, that's right I'm Lawful Good
>I follow the law, but only the good laws
>Deal with it
>Huh? Which are the good laws?
>Obviously the ones that I judge to be good
>And which are the bad ones?
>Are you stupid? Obviously the ones that I judge to be bad!
>Huh?
>No I'm not just following the laws I like and ignoring the ones I don't!
>There's a system behind all of this...
>...That you can't see and is basically indistinguishable from a Chaotic Good person's moral framework....
>I am silly
moronic relativist, good and evil are physical and tangible concepts in tabletop like Pathfinder
Damn, legislating in such a universe would be so easy. Write a bill, use detect alignment on it, pass it if it turns up good, add some amendments if it turns up neutral, and reject it outright if it's evil.
IMO lawful is the most strict of all alignments, just for the fact that breaking the law should automatically ban you from being lawful. How could someone who breaks the law they've agreed to follow be lawful? At most they could be said to be neutral with an extreme lean towards lawfulness
> breaking the law should automatically ban you from being lawful
I don't think it's necessarily that strict. It should definitely provoke a crisis of conscience and be recognized as something that goes against the character's philosophy. If they recommit to their path of lawfulness and learn from their mistake, fine, but if they make excuses then they're definitely getting knocked down to neutral at the very least.
hmm, I can see your point, but I think for a good person, theres no way to really learn from a "mistake" like that, if a good person breaks the law to free slaves, I struggle to think of a situation where they wouldn't break the law again, making them non lawful. Other than maybe a, if you set these slaves free you'll immediately doom the world or some absurd situation like that.
I suppose it comes down to whether it was a lapse in judgment, which might be regretted and ultimately strengthen the character's views, or a deliberate act that they think was the right thing to do and would readily do so again. The latter would likely necessitate an alignment change depending on the exact circumstances.
I feel like I'm in /tg/ with all this alignment arguing
I forgot I wasn't on /vg/ until you just pointed it out
I truly believe that if paladins were never tied to LG the autism around alignments would not exist
Very good point anon, you're absolutely right
To offset their purity. You need some flaws.
There can be no such thing as lawful good. Being lawful necessitates you committing evil actions.
Instead of it being nine distinct alignments, I think alignments could be seen as four different classes in different combinations. You're Lawful, or you're Good, or you're a Lawful/Good multiclass and have to juggle both. They might occasionally come into conflict, but it's definitely possible to be good and believe in a well-structured and benevolent society.
Neutral only matters for True Neutral, in every other combination it just signifies that you're indifferent to one axis, you only really care about Law/Chaos or Good/Evil.
If you're not playing lawful as judge dredd are you even truly lawful?
Because it obviates the need for critical thought. Any situation they encounter simply needs to have the law applied to it. It doesn't require any compromise or flexibility.
>Race: Human
>Gender: Male
>Class: Paladin
>Alignment: Neutral Good
>Character Customization: Exactly how I look IRL
First playthrough time.
>long hair
another sissy boytoy
I am for cute girls exclusively. Particularly, Paladin Neutral/Lawful good white blonde women.
: Paladin
: Neutral Good
>he doesn't know
What is it with LG gays and thinking LG shouldn't have room for compassion and forgiveness even for the unrighteous?
Let me tell you a secret. Its not LG gays thinking that.
I mean the LG LARPers. The typical straight white male paladin self-inserters with a moral world view of the average lawful evil villain.
They are morons on Ganker. I'm not even sure they believe the bullshit they are saying.
lol
lmao
No one takes their larp more seriously than alignmentgays
>straight white male
frick off, you're the one with the shitty moral world view
You will never be good
You will never be a paladin.
You will never have a wholesome fantasy romance.
You literally cannot be a lawful good paladin if you're not a blonde haired blue eyed white male.
Actually, I'm going to go out and say that in the D&D movie the black paladin actor actually fit the role extremely well
>t. blonde blue eyed white guy.
blacks are too stupid to have a soul. Brownoids doesn't understand the concept of a soul Black culture is just Redneck culture with a different aesthetic you really believe they kept all their cultural practices from afrikkka? Bullshit they just emulated the people closest to them which for the majority of all blacks was their neighbors the southern rednecks. Even their ebonics is based on a form of english from south-western england. blACKs segregated music with racial lyrics they choose who can say or not ...frick blACK "people" it's funny how blacks act like they have their own culture when it's really just a hyper degenerated form of a white culture also Basketball americans are the worst drivers ever
Hmm you say all this but the black actor for the Paladin in the D&D movie fit the role really well so idgaf
>tfw blonde haired green eyed white male
Owari da...
>>tfw blonde haired green eyed white male
Become a Neutral Good Azata/Gold Dragon.
>You will never be good
>You will never be a paladin.
>You will never have a wholesome fantasy romance.
I don't take my goodness for granted and I'd rather be a mage anyway
Idk, every good god Paladin code in Pathfinder has a saying about sparing your enemy and trying to lead them into the path of good. Don't know why anon sperg out about acting like a merciful crusader who is willing to give surrendering enemies a chance is a bad thing
you homosexuals completely misunderstood the concept of lawful, at least LG or LE. The ultimate law that an LG follows is specified by a religion/deity unless he is an atheist moron. Our own real universe has a ultimate law that dictates the function of everything, going from complex laws of physics to nature laws of a small flowing river. Religions just gives it different names, one will say its Gods will, others will call it karma. A chaotic moron genuinely believes he operates outside of these rules and get lost into pure "just do what feels right bro!" and end up becoming a prisoner of his own hedonism and ego. He is still bound by the same ultimate rules of the universe and the metaphysics/spiritual truth, but just believe he isn't (he is).
If your deity believes in compassion and mercy and is LG then going around mercilessly slaughtering evil doers even when they surrender or haven't done anything besides radiate an evil aura is not lawful or good.
If you have a deity that doesn't believe in mercilessly slaughtering evil then they aren't a LG deity to begin with, though.
That's not how it works in Pathfinder or most other fantasy properties though. Your moral relativistic interpretation is the minority view.
nta, but in what way is mercilessly slaughtering objectively evil things morally relativistic
If you have no room for mercy or compassion then you aren't lawful good by the standards of any fantasy alignment system. Sure if something is literally incapable of reform or repentance then I might see your point of view but you gays think that if a human bandit surrenders then the LG thing is to extrajudicially execute him in the most gruesome way possible. Almost nobody but the most jaded 4chin autist thinks this makes sense for a LG person to do.
Except the guy who created the alignment system to begin with straight out said that was the way a LG person would operate. See
The fact that YOU don't like that being a merciless crusader and slaughtering the wicked is considered LG doesn't matter. Your personal view on morality shouldn't taint what should, in theory, be an objective system based on the rules of the game since it affects the mechanics of said game. But all moral system end up subjects of debate and you get the current alignment system as it exists today in the D&D sphere, where none of it really matters and is completely open to interpretation since an objective standard was never maintained. Which is why at this point the alignment system is being abandoned altogether in the current tabletop editions.
By that argument there is no real definition or meaning to the alignment system since I can create a CG God and call it LG or vice versa, and since I am the author you can't dispute it. All you're really saying is that other authors aside from the ones who created the alignment system in the first place have changed the definitions and now it's meaningless since a LG deity by one company or set of authors will be completely different than one created by another company or set of authors, since they all have their own idea of what LG is rather than sticking with the original definitions.
I'm just saying, the alignment system is based on how most people view morality. And most western people believe in the Christian principle that righteousness requires compassion and forgiveness
That depends entirely on what era of Christianity you're talking about, since original Christian principles believed in absolutely slaughtering the wicked wholesale. They would point to the purges Joshua waged as examples, and in fact did brutally wipe out their competition in the pagans, with widespread massacres, and this was considered totally righteous. It was only much later in the evolution of Christian theology that pacifism and forgiveness actually became a mainstream facet of the religion as an actual organizational whole, once they had "righteously" eliminated all the competition.
So then to be consistent, if you played a LG character you should have immediately executed Arue for being a demon and for having done a ton of evil things in her past. That is as what you did right anon?
>That is as what you did right anon?
Yes, the choice was made even easier due to already having a full party
>Christian principle that righteousness requires compassion and forgiveness
again, you do this at an individual level. If you see a being that doesn't respond to compassion and forgiveness, you give him punishment and destruction because that would be a mercy by itself, those who do evil are in suffering no matter how much they try to hide it with mindless pleasure and sadism
mercy can have different ways to be looked at. If your deity believes the existence of a demon itself is suffering (not only on others but upon himself) then the merciful thing to do is destroy them. If he keeps coming back and you keep destroying him at some point he will realize his side (evil) is ultimately wrong and can't win. It's a matter of logic, but of course he will only realize that if he is smart or giving enough time. I'm not saying mercy and kindness wouldn't work also, but it only works on some that already respond to it.
"If a tamable horse doesn't submit either to a mild training or to a harsh training or to a mild and harsh training, lord, then I kill it."
this is a Buddhist sutta btw
*triggers your autism*
>*triggers your autism*
In what way?
She's a "Lawful Good" character that actually acts completely Chaotic Good in every discussion you have with her and with every decision she makes or recommends.
Except she follows all of the tennants of iomedae, and the oath she sworn to her.
She triggers lawtists because she's not merciless enough
It's not just mercy, it's the fact that at no point does she ever value organization, the group over the individual, the rules and regulations, over individual merit and libertarian self determination. Which is fine if she was actually listed on her character sheet as what she actually is, Chaotic Good, rather than Lawful Good.
But isn't that the point of her character arc? You can literally turn her into a proper lawful character if you lecture and chastise her enough.
She's an ath*ist.
>Wendutard has entered the thread
TOTAL MONGREL DEATH
i do like how Wenduag make every homosexual seethe here, she is miles Better than the demon wienersleeve and the pscyho Elf prostitute
>Call you a moron because you don't even understand how the character you like works
>HEH WENDUAG MAKES YOU SEETHE
i feel ashamed for liking the same character as you because you are such a moronic fricking Black person holy shit
*sips a health potion*
I can not think of anything stranger than worshiping outsiders and gods or having faith in them. Just think about it rationally.
You are worshiping someone or something that doesn't care about you, nor will actually help you in time of your need in large majority of cases, as only very few individuals ever come to interact with the object of their worship.
Entities worshiped by people of Golarion are often self-centered, self-righteous, selfish, aloof, possibly even evil beings who would sacrifice you at a moment's notice if it suits, empower, or amuses them.
Worshiping good entities is pointless because a truly good entity has no need to be worshiped and would dissuade people from elevating them onto a pedestal. They would want people who share their ideals to grow on their own while they serve as mere role models or parent figures meant to guide, not to be worshiped. And they would not abandon people or come down to interact with them only when it suits them or they have to act. Any entity who doesn't have your and everyone's well-being in mind and will not fight to protect life and freedom of both sapient species and nature itself is not good.
Worshiping neutral entities is pointless because they will never care about you and most often won't even acknowledge you, nor care about your fate outside of extraordinary circumstances.
Worshiping evil entities is downright suicidal because you're making a figurative or literal deal with a devil in hopes of leeching off of them to gain power for yourself, but most idiots who go down this route end up getting killed, sacrificed, enslaved, or suffering unimaginable tortures and pain.
Religions are tools for indoctrination and worship is means to reinforce the dogmas into individuals and groups, which is in conflict with what people should aspire to be.
A being worthy of being followed shouldn't be worshiped any more than one's parents or a capable leader would be.
Think about it logically.
okay but why is the mirror showing her undies and why is hrt sex tattoo glowing?
>why is the mirror showing her undies
It's based on a meme with a Russian(?) girl wearing a suit/dress in the front but has her back cut off so you can see her bra, panties, lingerie etc.
>why is hrt sex tattoo glowing?
She's pregnant with a GD KC's child.
Based 'sex with Arue as a shapeshifted beast' anon.
KNOTTED!
A GD's seed is so pathetic it wouldn't even be able to impregnate a literal sex demon
this but with my Angelic dick impregnating her with the LIGHT OF HEAVEN!!
>>why is hrt sex tattoo glowing?
>She's pregnant with a GD KC's child.
You should had use Areelu for that pasta
Areelu has no picture with her holding/eating/drinking something like a pipe, potion or anything to complete the pasta.
And I can argue any outsider, including Arue, could come to this conclusion, as I'm pretty sure she doesn't view Desna the same way a human Desna worshiper would on the account of
>also being an outsider (like Desna)
>having completely different view of life and afterlife
>having better understanding of how outsider/powerful beings act, behave and think
Think of it as her suddenly having an epiphany after witnessing religious ceremonies of people of Golarion and how various orders, sects and religions there are..
i don't think she is that Smart to reach that conclusion she is dumb as a rock
>18 INT
>Dumb
even with 18 INT she doesn't understand how human society works or always look like a moron when she can't express a particular word
That has nothing to do with intelligence
Looks like we have an actual low INT gay here
>even with 18 INT she doesn't understand how human society works
Has nothing to do with intelligence. It's a lack of experience.
Even an unparalleled, non-autistic genius would have a hard time adapting to a completely foreign culture, society and people that function nothing like the world they came from.
>always look like a moron when she can't express a particular word
That doesn't prevent her from being capable of figuring out stuff or thinking critically.
>can figure out that the Azata is actually hiding something all on her own
yes. she is Intelligent UNLIKE YOU!
probably because she is a women
>And I can argue any outsider, including Arue, could come to this conclusion
stop trying to use her for your fedora tipping moron
>fedora tipping moron
>applying real world religious/atheistic debates nobody cares about onto a world where gods and various others entities exists
>missing the point this hard
lol
LMAO
I hate both religiousgays (You) and atheistgays. You shit on each other, but you're equally obnoxious.
Don't care, b***h about gods with the character that cries about gods like you, not the one that worships a god in the exact same way mortals do
>not the one that worships a god in the exact same way mortals do
Doubt.
didn't she pretty much says she doesn't want ot bother Desna with her Prayer because she has already done so much?
Queen is the best girl. She is a virgin which makes her the best.
>Likes FFXV
>Likes Galfrey
Yeah, it's shit taste
She's also a hag and infertile. And she's a b***h.
Can you execute the wrongfully accused and still be Lawful Good?
Making a mistake doesn't make you automatically evil
You would avoid those kinds of mistakes by not engaging in ex-judicial executions
>just stop driving your car because you can potentially kill someone bro
>equating driving a car to executing people you personally consider evil on a whim.
Forget LE, you morons are full on CE at this point.
>on a whim
He is getting executed because of a law, if someone made a mistake, that doesn't mean "let's just get rid of laws bros"
Several ppl got wrong sentences in real life, does that mean that ppl should stop being judges or creating laws? you stupid fricking moronic
"just stop working as a judge bro.. you could wrongly sentence someone because someone else made a mistake"
>Several ppl got wrong sentences in real life
A proper trial being wrong isn't the same as a cop looking at some guy and thinking that he deserves to get turned into swiss cheese
>ppl
kys
this is assuming you did the proper investigation and trial. There is literally a quest in the game where you help a inquisitor uncover the truth about Daeran.
If he ever made a mistake he should be judged based on his competences, but making a mistake doesn't stop him from being LG
>Hmm this guy surrendered to me. He is helpless before me and is begging for mercy.
>frick second chances
>frick compassion
>execute him on the spot
You probably think the Imperium of man in 40k is unironically the good guy faction too don't you.
Don't bring 40k autism into this, this thread is already garbage enough
The point is that not being diligent in your responsibility to not make a mistake makes you morally culpable for making that mistake.
If you're executing people without giving them a chance to prove their innocence, then if you happen to kill an innocent person you are morally responsible for their death.
This is a good case for you being evil, especially if you don't change your ways and keep hiding behind "I didn't mean to though".
>car analogy
This post is so moronic I can't help but think you're falseflagging
engaging in ex-judicial executions is being an inquisitor though, and as in any profession there are good competent ones and evil incompetent ones. Telling the good ones that they shouldn't be there in the first place just mean only the evil ones will remain. Not only that didn't solve the problem but actually made it worse
Being good or evil isn't a matter of competency.
In this case it is. The good ones will make sure they are as competent in their investigation and trial as they can get in order to avoid mistakes.
The evil one doesn't rly give a frick so he will do a slop incompetent job because he doesn't care if he is executing the wrong person
There are lawful good paladins who fail at executing the guity and there are highly competent evil inquisitors who have successfully executed thousands of heretics. So no, it's not a matter of competency.
>So no, it's not a matter of competency.
It is, because the person in that position must do everything reasonable to ensure that they are competent. If they do not, they cannot be Good. Mistakes can happen even to a competent person, but incompetence and negligence are dereliction of duty.
>nta, but being stupid or incompetent doesn't NECESSARILY equal evil.
>A stupid person in position of power can perform an evil act, but not be evil themselves.
>Being good or evil is a matter of intent.
>A person who does evil unintentionally is not evil. Same goes for good deeds.
At a certain point it does become evil. Incompetence is often the result of low standards or willful ignorance. Intent only goes so far. Being bad at something important doesn't automatically make someone evil but they need to be doing their best to improve, especially if lives are on the line. And "I didn't know" isn't always a good excuse; they need to be attentive and intellectually honest enough to be on top of things.
Sometimes failure is unavoidable. But they need to try their best, and step aside if they are not fit for the job.
>because the person in that position must do everything reasonable to ensure that they are competent
Just because they try and fail does not mean they are evil or not morally Good.
Fricking up and refusing to admit you fricked up are completely different things. Don't conflate the two.
nta, but being stupid or incompetent doesn't NECESSARILY equal evil.
A stupid person in position of power can perform an evil act, but not be evil themselves.
Being good or evil is a matter of intent.
A person who does evil unintentionally is not evil. Same goes for good deeds.
>but being stupid or incompetent doesn't NECESSARILY equal evil
Yes but if you keep fricking up and refuse to admit that you fricked up, which in turns get more people killed, then you are evil
>and refuse to admit that you fricked up
This doesn't make you more or less competent.
Admitting that you fricked up is the first step to improve yourself. If Galfrey refused to admit that what she did was wrong in act 5 then that LG alignment should disappear
>Being good or evil isn't a matter of competency.
It absolutely can be. If you are occupying a role of authority or consequence, and you are incompetent at it, you either get better or you step aside. Otherwise you care more about your own ego/position/benefits than you do about the consequences your poor performance causes to others. That is not the position of a good person, and depending on circumstances it could very well be evil.
This also applies to politicians, regulators and police officers in the real world.
That has nothing to do with Lawful good vs Lawful evil. A morally good person can be highly incompetent while still caring about their performance, and the inverse is also true.
>That has nothing to do with Lawful good vs Lawful evil. A morally good person can be highly incompetent while still caring about their performance, and the inverse is also true.
A morally good person who cared about their performance but was incompetent would not occupy a position of great responsibility unless they had no other choice. Unless they were too stupid to realize they were incompetent, in which case:
>What about people too stupid to recognize this? Think gullible paws put into position of power/authority to be puppets, including children.
>The statement would basically render all children evil.
In this case it's the person elevating them to that position who is negligent and/or evil. Children are a special case, but as far as adults go, there absolutely are people who are not too stupid to notice their incompetence, rather they are willfully ignorant - too intellectually lazy or dishonest to reflect on their performance. That starts to get back into evil territory. I guess since we're talking about D&D, the lower someone's intelligence, the less responsibility they bear for being too stupid to notice their incompetence. If they're of higher intelligence, more expert manipulation is required from the puppet master to absolve the pawn of responsibility.
>If you are occupying a role of authority or consequence, and you are incompetent at it, you either get better or you step aside. Otherwise you care more about your own ego/position/benefits than you do about the consequences your poor performance causes to others.
What about people too stupid to recognize this? Think gullible paws put into position of power/authority to be puppets, including children.
The statement would basically render all children evil.
It's simple. If an inquisitor takes his responsibility seriously and does everything he can to determine innocence or guilt, he can be Lawful Good regardless of outcome.
If he doesn't take his responsibility seriously, leaps to conclusions or half-asses his investigation and it results in him killing someone innocent, he can't be Lawful Good.
>Telling the good ones that they shouldn't be there in the first place just mean only the evil ones will remain.
Arguing about alignments on Ganker will not affect the Inquisition Industry. It will be just fine.
>Making a mistake doesn't make you automatically evil
It does if you didn't do due diligence in determining guilt, shrug your shoulders because it was an innocent mistake and then just keep doing the same thing.
According to the LG LARPers yes because you're the judge and executioner and anything you decide is automatically just and correct.
A judge falsely accusing someone is not unlawful unless they did so unintentionally. A lawful good is not evil if they execute the wrongfully accused unless they believe the executed to deserve death even though the law had made a mistake
Being evil in these games is fun as frick though. Why would I want to be some generic LG wholesome hero?
>le generic LG is bad
>I know
>I'll play le generic CE instead!
Unironically yes. Doing the "I don't like you die!" option is cathartic.
I need some BBC to suckle on RIGHT NOW! I'm also trans if you couldn't tell
>Neutral good protag
>Regill
>Ember
>Arue
>Daeran
>Woljiff
Perfect party for banter and fricking with Regill, and just enough bad to balance out my good. Mostly though I feel like I subconsciously picked everybody that would frick with Regill the most.
you are doing a good(heh) thing anon. those Bants and annoyance will allow him to stall the bleaching for another ten years or so
Ember alone gave him a decade of new
experiences in slamming his head against a brick wall.
believe me, the bleaching will become a myth after he saw the wedding. also
I want to kiss Arue's cute horns!
I want to rub Arue's cute wings!
I want to lick Arue's cute legs!
I want to tickle Arue's cute feet!
I want to stroke Arue's cute tail!
I want to tease Arue's cute wings!
I want to hold Arue's cute hands!
I want to breathe in Arue's cute scent!
I want to nibble on Arue's cute elf ears!
I want to pat Arue's cute head!
I want to blow raspberries on Arue's cute belly!
I want to motorboat Arue's cute breasts!
I want to hug Arue's cute body!
And, above all, I want to fill Arue's cute womb with mythic seed so hard that Regill takes damage at the mere thought of it!
>that pic
lmao, how could we do this to him bros?
that pic is a glitch but Lorewise if a Hellknight saw a creature acting out of Alignment(Devil being LG) than he would take 2d6 mental damage from it. So Arueshalae is giving him brain damage just by existing
oh shit, my KC is an hellknight angel and arue was my love choice. This poor fricker is living with constantly having strokes then
so if i act like a chaotic good Angel and frick Arue(a CE turned CG Demon) what would happen to him
he would spazz out and get induced into a Medical coma that cannot be Healed by Magical potions or spells. but hey atleast the bleaching is gone and he is Immortal now
isn't that an actual mechanic in the pathfinder module
I member reading shit like brainwashing touch spell that turns the target brain into metaphorical sponge, accepting whatever change in alignment and worldview you like, if you can convince them
and succubi taking damage from people refusing them sex
yes. and that Alignment changing spell is a domain power of Nocticula iirc
>im gay
>turns into incubus
what now frickboy?
>your character is a hellknight
>fall in love and have sex with Arue
>AHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE HELP ME REGILLMAN
I RPed as a LN godclaw Oracle in my first playthrough. shit was fun and felt really good when i went LG and fricked Arue when she goes CG
i also took a dip in HK too for the smite chaos