A lot of westerners also have this weird thing where they specifically see giant robots as childish, but are okay consuming capeshit, YA fantasy and other types of fiction.
But in addition to that Sci-fi isn't really popular, so Mecha has the added hurdle of being a subgenre within an already unpopular genre.
Also modern technological development moved away from the megasize/external exploration(Spaceships, airplanes, giant structures) to the internal/microscale(Computers, the internet, AI, etc)
I'm a westerner and I fricking hate super robots so much it's unreal. Mechwarrior, Starseige, Heavy Gear, Steel Battalion... we didn't know how good we had it back then. Doesn't help that my other favorite genre (space sims) died at around the same time
If you like real robot, then you should watch Bravern this season. It's a pretty good and grounded series about how two different squads of real robot pilots would deal with an alien threat with combined arms forces.
>capeshit, YA fantasy and other types of fiction.
Because they're grounded on reality; giant robots require an absolutely outrageous level of suspension of disbelief.
bullshit everyone loved pacific rim, if they didn't decide to suicide the franchise with the 2nd movie it could've been the gateway drug the western audiences needed for super robots.
>capeshit, YA fantasy and other types of fiction.
Because they're grounded on reality; giant robots require an absolutely outrageous level of suspension of disbelief.
>sci-fi >unpopular
Why is that? Is the concept of technology and societal/philosophical questions too much for normies? I'm baffled at how/why this is the case when Star Trek/Wars was fricking huge during its heyday.
Then what happened? Why did the popularity of sci-fi drop off a cliff?
>Star Wars/Trek is shit
Irrelevant. They were sci-fi series that were gangbusters popular, yet I haven't seen a single sci-fi series come close to it in popularity. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy, but that's lumped in with Capeshit so I don't count it
Trek typically married a good formula of light drama with its sci-fi shit, and didn't require you to think too hard about what was going on. When it did want to make you think, it did it TNG-style and married it to something closely relatable in the real world, like that episode where everyone suddenly gets hyper-concerned about warp travel's effect on the fabric of the universe. Not coincidentally, when they got too autistic and stopped doing that correctly, its popularity nosedived.
Star Wars is just best given in small, epic doses so they become memorable events. Disney didn't understand that and thought they could spam people with it.
Most other sci-fi series' can't catch on because they violated the normie rules from the start. B5 for instance, good as it was, limited its audience by making them think too hard about what the frick was going on. Stargate, Farscape, etc. Then you have shit like Lexx that was simply too quirky to ever attract more than a niche audience.
It's because Normies just want sloppy edgy soap opera's like they turned Trek and Wars into. No one wants to question things, just more content to consume and gossip over on twitter.
Sci Fi hasnt been that popular since the 90s
Maybe people just suffer from escapism, Sci Fi reminfs them too much of harsh and sad reality
Even formerly Sci Fi shit (like eva for example) turned to full fantasy/escapism, so did Star Trek
Hauntology
AKA average people dreaming of the future makes them think they can do something, which makes them disruptive, which makes the line go down.
Keeping the average joe in a constant state of "everything is shit but this is the best it can possibility be" is the true and final demoralization tactic.
Its a pretty excellent hybrid of >tower defense >basebuilding/RTS >automation autism >single player Starcraft campaign hero etc
Overall its very, very well done. Even the studio's previous games lik X-Morph Defense are great fun if its your particular kind of autism.
I played x-morph defense first and was really impressed with it(got it for free in some bundle), which is why I got riftbreaker. I was lucky to play them in that order, made the metallic valley campaign a cool reveal.
Oh, how could I forget about Titanfall 2?
I stand corrected: the only mecha videogames Ganker like and consider worth playing are ZOE2, Titanfall 2 and SRW Endless Frontier.
Cape and YA dystopias are spinoffs of science fiction, settings where science advancements or simply alien biology allow things like superpowered humans following its own internal logic. Fantasy settings have their own internal logic where wizards and archers have their place on the battlefield.
Meanwhile mecha expect us to believe that an impractical humanoid machine that becomes a worthless piece of junk when it receives a rocket on its knee will replace practical war machines like tanks or planes in a setting where those machines are the ones that would actually make sense.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Modern Capeshit and YA Dystopicslop don't have any internal logic. It's just made up power levels on one side, and teen girls dismantling entire governments with the power of friendship on the other.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>practical war machines like tanks
jej, enjoy five thousand more years of drone platforms and missiles
3 months ago
Anonymous
>renders your 'practical' war machine obsolete
3 months ago
Anonymous
>can't actually do anything beyond reconnaissance and dropping hand grenades
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Rams into your tank and blows up, rendering it combat ineffective
3 months ago
Anonymous
Minovsky Particles >Hyper efficient energy source >scrambles all radar and communications >Mechs have a higher baseline agility and have a better field of view than a tank or jet
Try Universal Century (AKA Main Universe) Gundam they solved the issue back in the 70s
>SRW Endless Frontier
Eh, the best version of that gameplay is Project X Zone 2 which has markedly less mechs. Might as well play a regular SRW game or ZoE Fist of Mars.
The major mecha IP holders are fricking incompetent and nearly never port/translate the good games they made.
this anon is correct and most devs are moronic and mismanage their games into oblivion, same thing could be said about western mecha in general with every single promising mecha franchise coming out of the west being killed off by baffling decisions that could've been avoided.
two of the top three best selling games of all time are about stacking blocks, the other one is about indiscriminate murder. if you want a mecha game to be mainstream, make it about block stacking or crime simulation.
Would SRW becoming popular in the west be a good thing or bad thing? Something tells me it'll attract undesired people like Witch from Mercury did when that attracted Twitter and Reddit users.
I wish we'd get more mecha tactics/srpg games. About the only things I remember releasing in recent memory were crap like Into the Breach and Battletech but they just didn't do it for me.
>I wish we'd get more mecha tactics/srpg games.
Black person
ITS FULL OF THEM
WE NEED MORE ACTION MECHA WERE WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL THE FRICKING ROBOT
If you look up mecha on steam its gonna be full of them, plus we already have 30 years of srw
Yes you did.
In fact for all the big talk Ganker has about mecha, I think the only two mecha videogames that the board actually likes are ZOE2 and Endless Frontier, which isn't even a mecha game (the mechas there being just android assists). The rest are seen as slop of varying degrees.
Off the top of my head:
Xenogears
Battletech 2018
A billion non-SRW Gundam games
Almost every single indie mecha game on Steam (Into the Breach being one of the most notable ones)
Power Dolls
And so on and so on
Games where you actually control the robot in real time are extremely rare.
>Xenogears
That's a standard JRPG, not tactics or strategy
3 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. You aren't controlling the robot, just choosing attacks from a menu. From a functional standpoint is no different from a tactic games.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You aren't controlling the robot
Yes you are? There are mechanical differences between ground combat and gears combat.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not at all. Having a fuel counter doesn't make the Gear combat any different from the ground combat, you even have similar combo systems.
And you're missing the point super hard. You aren't controlling the robot, you're just choosing attacks from a menu and the robot does everything. You don't have any real control.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Having a fuel counter doesn't make the Gear combat any different from the ground combat
Yes it does. You can't slug in gear combat or you'll run out of it. It also works as MP for all the flashy attacks (not confuse with actual MP which some gears can still use) >you even have similar combo systems.
And still works different from normal grounded combat. But whatever, not gonna defend XGs combat. >You aren't controlling the robot, you're just choosing attacks from a menu and the robot does everything
And how is that not controlling it? I pick the actionand the robot does the action. That is the exact definition of control. Look mate, just because you don't like turn based games doesn't mean the game can't evoke the feeling of piloting a robot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>And how is that not controlling it?
Well, you tell me. You're the one who b***hed about turn based tactics game and wanted a game where you actually CONTROL THE FRICKING ROBOT
3 months ago
Anonymous
>That is the exact definition of control.
kek of the day right here
3 months ago
Anonymous
>just choosing attacks from a menu. From a functional standpoint is no different from a tactic games.
classical uneducated Ganker opinion
[...]
I will never understand this mindset of wanting to shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
You b***h about normalgays being NPCs unable to think for themselves but you sure want your friends to do the same.
>shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
weird projecting homosexual
anyone not liking TTGL is fricking soulless and is objectively not worth interacting with
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I guess that's a fair point. At least I can enjoy /m/echa with you nerds.
[...]
I just wanted to share things I like with a buddy, I didn't "shove it down his throat". I still grill him for it, but it's in half jest.
No, you're mad that the people around you don't become soulless clones that like the same things as you.
And funnily enough, Gurren Lagann is one of those "mainstream approved" anime shows so at the end you're just being a different flavor of generic normalgay NPC.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think you need to take a break from Ganker and reevaluate how you see things. That really isn't a healthy mindset to have.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>That really isn't a healthy mindset to have.
I let my friends like the things they like and don't start looking down at them as "subhuman soulless creatures not worth interacting with" because they don't like the things I like. I'm the only one with a healthy mindset here.
Am I the weird one for liking mecha games? This one was my childhood, and Medabots if Medabots counts. I tried to get my friend into mecha, I figured Gurren Lagann would be a safe point of entry into the genre but he got half way through and dropped it after the Lordgenome fight.
>dropped it
you should have dropped your soulless homosexual "friend"
Regardless of my final thoughts and feelings about the show, I will always be glad that it will always live rent-free on Ganker's mind.
>I wish we'd get more mecha tactics/srpg games.
Black person
ITS FULL OF THEM
WE NEED MORE ACTION MECHA WERE WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL THE FRICKING ROBOT
And then you will complain they aren't true "mecha games", just glorified shooters / soulslikes like you did with AC6.
>And then you will complain they aren't true "mecha games", just glorified shooters / soulslikes like you did with AC6.
I didn't you disingenuous homosexual
Yes you did.
In fact for all the big talk Ganker has about mecha, I think the only two mecha videogames that the board actually likes are ZOE2 and Endless Frontier, which isn't even a mecha game (the mechas there being just android assists). The rest are seen as slop of varying degrees.
Nobody gives a shit about G-Witch anymore. The fricking main mech Calibarn can't even sell a metal build for the same price as an MSV Zaku.
Meanwhile you have to spend 320$ USD to get Destiny 2 and its Harute backpack because those frickers are selling them separately and then spend 75$ more just to get the Wings of Light plastic.
Meh, SRW gatekeeps itself due to many aspects. Say what you will about their quality but the commitment to being purely SRPGs is already a filter to many (surprised they haven't even tried adding a sort of datesim mechanic to it, lol). On the other hand, the game being a crossover is also another aspect that keeps people away: They are either fans of the shows already, may gain interest on the show due to the game (people that pass the filter and become well adjusted fans), and people that will probably complain about the game doesn't focus on their show enough. Even if G-witch its wave of zoomers come in, they'll leave the moment they have to sit through 3 maps of 70s Super Robot/80s Real Robot Stuff. >TLDR
It won't get big, its just too niche.
>Didn't get the guy who made the Astartes animations >Gets the other guy >Main writer of the show wrote that horrible Transformers cartoon with a nonbinary Transformer >MC is an ugly woman with danger hair
>why are mecha games unpopular with the mainstream?
they are mainstream in japan right? their boomers grew up with every other comic and tv show being about a kid who pilots a giant robot
Am I the weird one for liking mecha games? This one was my childhood, and Medabots if Medabots counts. I tried to get my friend into mecha, I figured Gurren Lagann would be a safe point of entry into the genre but he got half way through and dropped it after the Lordgenome fight.
Yeah, I guess that's a fair point. At least I can enjoy /m/echa with you nerds.
[...]
I will never understand this mindset of wanting to shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
You b***h about normalgays being NPCs unable to think for themselves but you sure want your friends to do the same.
I just wanted to share things I like with a buddy, I didn't "shove it down his throat". I still grill him for it, but it's in half jest.
>into the breach >notable
lol
lmao even
[...] >dropped it
you should have dropped your soulless homosexual "friend"
I will never understand this mindset of wanting to shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
You b***h about normalgays being NPCs unable to think for themselves but you sure want your friends to do the same.
Giant robots are the dreams of men.
So women are right out the window.
'Women' are also out the window, but with a noose.
Normies don't have the capacity to dream of anything that doesn't actually exist (madden and shooting).
And then there's the large proportion of those who are left who have become hopeless husks without dreams.
The audience is just too small. This world is not about the dreams of men anymore.
Giant robots are the dreams of men.
So women are right out the window.
'Women' are also out the window, but with a noose.
Normies don't have the capacity to dream of anything that doesn't actually exist (madden and shooting).
And then there's the large proportion of those who are left who have become hopeless husks without dreams.
The audience is just too small. This world is not about the dreams of men anymore.
PGI is single-handedly killed off the mecha sim genre with their stranglehold on mechwarrior and their refusal to do anything innovative with the ip. Mechwarrior is the biggest name when it comes to these types of games and since it's a zombie franchise noboby wants to make a game like it since pgi is "proving" to everyone else that this genre is unprofitable. Doesn't help their 2000's greebly artstyle is unmarketable as well.
It's not that they have a strangehold; Mechwarrior fans just absolutely despise any form of mecha media that isn't Battletech so there is no reason for anyone to give mecha a new spin.
That's also a moronic situation because it's mechwarrior fans in particular that hate other forms of mecha. Most modern tabletop fans are begging for a game that accurately recreates the wacky shit that can happen on tabletop in real time.
That's also a moronic situation because it's mechwarrior fans in particular that hate other forms of mecha. Most modern tabletop fans are begging for a game that accurately recreates the wacky shit that can happen on tabletop in real time.
For what it's worth, I, a Mechwarrior fan, do enjoy some other forms of mecha.
The rights holders are often incompetent and usually don't make anything that is fun to play or presentable, or they never leave the land of moonrunes if they are worth a playthrough. Shit is sorely lacking in polish, presentation, and direction.
The genre was already on its knees by the time Eva came along, what with Macross fizzling out and Gundam oversaturating the airwaves with carpet bombing of low quality media. If anything, Eva gave the genre a second lease on life, and that's from someone who doesn't like it.
>Eva gave the genre a second lease on life
No it didn't; it was the lethal injection to a dying patient; but You're right about the genre being on its way out.
The Mecha genre was killed by the oversaturation of Moe in the 2000's and then Isekai. Eva did more to keep Mecha alive than anything else.
>literally made for mecha fans by mecha fans as the initial premise >same people would do macross >shit like pacific rim is directly inspired by it >armored core has shit from it
you don't know what you're talking about m8
It's the opposite: Evangelion killed the mecha genre for good due to deconstructing it in a way people couldn't take it seriously.
Those post-Eva shows are just subversive variations trying to get some of the Eva pie or Gundam being Gundam, but the genre as it used to be ceased completely to exist.
which /m/ reject are you and use your trip or name homosexualry so I can filter you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shooting the messenger won't make the message any less valid.
Hell, Evangelion fans are very vocal about how much they despise the mecha genre and how Eva is the "only good one".
Basically a localized version of how Cowboy Bebop fans see Bebop and anime as a whole.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Most Eva fans I know are utterly obsessed with the genre. Most normies I know just despise Shinji for being a 'weak beta homosexual' and are the ones who hate mecha in general.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Most Eva fans I know are utterly obsessed with the genre.
No they aren't. Eva fans fricking hate mecha with a passion.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The first thing I learned about evangelion fans after getting into the series is that they are usually blabbering homosexuals, barring some
I went in blind as a 3dgay and came out becoming properly invested into mecha, closest thing beforehand being Transformers/Pacific Rim/Metal Gear
So not my problem
People still took Mecha seriously afterwards, Shinji was a twist on the standard teen anime protag and he inspired countless angsty teens right afterwords. People really overemphasis how much impact Eva truly had on "deconstructing" the genre.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>People still took Mecha seriously afterwards
No they didn't. We're having this thread because mecha has never been taken seriously.
>deconstructing it in a way people couldn't take it seriously
homie what kind of spell are you talking about here because it clearly didn't work on me
are you referring to what rebuildshit did or what?
3 months ago
Anonymous
checked
I hope MechWarrior: Clans is good.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hope it fails so we can get a new dev who isn't poverty tier.
3 months ago
Anonymous
who would even pick it up, I don't want the series to die for 20 years again
>Those post-Eva shows are just subversive variations trying to get some of the Eva pie
Go lurk /m/ for a few years, your newbie is showing
3 months ago
Anonymous
Eva revolutionized mecha, moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>newbie calling others a newbie while telling to to lurk a dead board of dhitty shows
kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
Evangelion made mecha mature instead of the Saturday morning cartoon BS that swamped mecha for years. Yeah it kill the genre and for the better, anyone thinking otherwise is moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Evangelion made mecha mature
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're a drooling moron
Eva is not mecha moron and never will be
For me its patlabor that shit is pure fire which can't be made in modern times
why do you cope & seethe
this acrimony is needless
3 months ago
Anonymous
They seethe because it's true? have you not seen any mech animes? first grade psychology.
3 months ago
Anonymous
eva causes hyperbolic contrarians to have mental breakdowns by virtue of existing for some reason (more so than other mecha series)
normal people look at this shit and are just bewildered, it's like children arguing over which of their toys are cooler
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cause its not true, hell, some real "mature" mecha will probably filter you
pic related
3 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone is wrong but me
Cope
>REEEEEEEEEE
ok
3 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone is wrong but me
Cope
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're a complete moron if you genuinely think people care about the mecha in EVA.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you're a complete moron if you think they don't considering you're talking to half a thread worth of them, myself included
i tire of seeing this shit after working on modeling/texturing/rigging just about any mecha type you can think of
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh really? Prove it. Because every EVA thread I have ever seen is just waifugayging. I'd really love for you to prove me wrong with many threads.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>every EVA thread I have ever seen is just waifugayging
and guess who was on the opposing team in that clustefrick
waifugayging is a disease that every japanese cartoon suffers from but like frick does eva suffer from it like nothing I've seen before
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're a drooling moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
Eva is not mecha moron and never will be
For me its patlabor that shit is pure fire which can't be made in modern times
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Eva is mature
Those cartoons have more mature theme than eva shit
EVA being a deconstruction of mecha is nothing but a moron take parroted by pseuds
it's literally just a mish mash of anno's favorite IPs like ultraman, thunderbirds, nausicaa (evas are based on the god warriors), ideon, raideen the brave, space battleship yamato, etc featuring his self insert, miss yamato nadeshiko herself, an exotic BPD demon and freudian mommy desires alcoholism edition
the only reason it veered into psychoanalysis halfway through was anno getting extremely depressed
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's amazing how XG took so many of the same concepts as Evangelion, but used them in an actually relevant and cohesive way to the characters and plot
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sometimes something Anno didn't read shit, he just thought it looked cool. Something something, takahashi actually discussed religion and psychology with his wife during lunch breaks at squaresoft.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Anno didn't read shit, he just thought it looked cool
that is actually a myth taken from an out of context quote when he was in an elementary school in front of a class
3 months ago
Anonymous
Evangelion is a character study. The plot is irrelevant other than as a way to get the characters to interact.
3 months ago
Anonymous
the plot and the kabbalist/gnostic villains it concerns is extremely relevant, especially with what is happening in the world today
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, so is XG.
Fei sorting his literal schizophrenia is a quintessential part of the plot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Evangelion is a character study
And not a good one. XG actually used psychology concepts and models and adapted them into characters, rather than making shit up as it went like Eva did and never using terminology or existential questions in any meaningful or interesting way.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you literally just described what nge did
99% of people who find it trendy to talk shit about the series don't actually understand anything about it and just want to promote their other series instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you literally just described what nge did
It absolutely did not. None of the religious terminology or naming had any deeper connotations to what they were attached haphazardly to. None of the "character studies" followed any kind of psychology model or literature. None of the "conspiracy" behind Seele or Gendo added up to anything interesting. It was completely hollow and meaningless, but morons imprinted on sad boy sad in bad world. >he just like me fr fr 🙁
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he can't comprehend the fact that people don't self insert when going through fiction
unironically filtered
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no answer
unironically defeated
3 months ago
Anonymous
subjective taste is not fact
you can vet everything as you do history but you're playing instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
>any kind of psychology model or literature
Good, that stuff is all wrong.
>The Mecha genre was killed by the oversaturation of Moe in the 2000's
Black person to this day people still dickrides SEED, maybe super robot but definetely not Gundam
Mecha is really a branch of the henshin hero genre that got too derived and inbred for its own good. Don’t deny it, going back to its mythical roots revitalized the genre.
>literally made for mecha fans by mecha fans as the initial premise >same people would do macross >shit like pacific rim is directly inspired by it >armored core has shit from it
you don't know what you're talking about m8
>SRW V >Some guy uploaded all the attack animations >Out of each one, EVA has the most views at a whopping 1.6 million
So what series would definitely attract zoomers and normies into the next SRW? Something tells me between these 3: >Iron Blooded Orphans >Witch from Mercury >Darling in the Franxx
Iron Blooded Orphans is easily the most popular Gundam show in the west and the golden standard for the franchise on the eyes of the western world, even bigger than Wing was during the 90s.
Witch from Mercury came and went and it's like it never existed.
Darling in the Franxx is only popular between anime fans and only as a joke.
>Witch from Mercury came and went and it's like it never existed.
Bamco really bumbled that one because they captured a whole new audience then decided they didn't want them. It's fine though, /m/echa fans didn't want them either.
>Bamco really bumbled that one because they captured a whole new audience
No they didn't.
Mecha fans hate mecha media that doesn't depict an open war
Gundam fans are right wingers and /u/ content is literal anathema to them
Yuri fans don't care about non-yuri media so they won't care about anything else the Gundam fanchise would offer to them
Witch from Mercury is a show that appealed to almost no one and the only ones who were interested on it are the kind of people who would never consume any other form of mecha media. Easily Bandai Namco's biggest blunder of 2022 and 2023.
>Witch from Mercury is a show that appealed to almost no one and the only ones who were interested on it are the kind of people who would never consume any other form of mecha media
But there's plenty of other yuri mecha for them like Symphogear >inb4 not mecha
can't think of any other recent popular one
Because giant robots are interesting, but only from a distance. Noone but mecha autists really want to get in one or know more than a few soundbytes about one.
Roughly human-sized ones have it even worse. They're just not interesting at all.
Unrealistic and moronic. Anime is cringe. Transformers is the only good "mech" story-driven franchise since it's western. Eva gets a pass since it's the only well-written anime to ever exist.
>only well-written anime
most well written mecha anime*
transformers point is correct
transformers is the spawn of gundam and is usually superior in almost every way due to the creativity and variety it offers on top of mecha, and can be considered an evolution of the genre
or maybe this is just a skill issue with writers and this is all bullshit
It can't because humanoid mechas are inherently impractical.
Also I wouldn't use as an example of realism a show with interplanetary travel and a main character who was a humanoid god with probability manipulation powers.
Flag is probably the most realistic show you'll ever find. Gasaraki portrays modern warfare and the niche robots could fill in urban settings (just ignore the Oni/reincarnation/end of the world plot). Patlabor also shows a pretty realistic and mundane world that incorporated robots into its world and its only real sin is being too optimistic (10 years my ass). Haven't seen them but Bullbuster and Obsolete both seem pretty realistic too.
>wanting something to be mainstream so it can die from social pandering and dumbifiying for wider audiences.
have a nice day. There is nothing wrong with something being and staying niche.
>its... LE CRINGE because... it just is ok???
allow yourself to enjoy genuinely nice things for once
no I am not affiliated with ILM so they are not paying me to say this
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's cringe because get an original fricking idea for once
3 months ago
Anonymous
there is nothing new under the sun
you don't actually like originality, you like the idea of it
and this is still a different take
99% of Eva gays aren't even mecha fans. They just sae le popular waifu wars and heard about the 2deep4u writing that makes em go "omg this totally resonates with me cause like I'm also depressed and (insert some mental illness they project onto the characters)"
Literally the same crowd that watches 4 hour video essays that deconstruct some children's TV show and say it's about some deep ass allegory for a certain political thought.
So it makes sense that Ganker which is full of these people honest to God think Eva is some Godsend of mecha. When really it's just like any other in the genre
Armored core 6 is only hated because balteus was legitimately too hard
Titanfall 2 is pretty popular
One of the most common criticisms leveled at Starfield was not being able to drive a mech
>Literally robots
Why not?
Now if you like the western side (animated, beast wars/machines, prime, etc) or the japanese side (victory, master force, micron densetsu, beast wars 2/Neo) its up to you.
If mecha actually had characters like EVA you wouldn't have to ask this question any more OP. Games like AC6 took inspiration from EVA by adding some depth to characters.
The V2 units were made with the same tech as OFs, they were equivalent in performance to a high spec Type C, they are LEVs in name only. Mars was fricked, they were about to lose their technological edge in the war, making the whole nuke plan even more moronic.
I'm getting filtered by anubis bros. I can't ever dodge his homing missile consistently. Either I get him down to a sliver then die or he just btfo's me in the first few shots. Also is there something wrong with the hd collection of the game because I noticed that in a few youtube videos his homing missile has a shit ton of particle effects that I don't see in my game.
>Sega is letting my favorite mecha series just die unceremoniously with no ports, remasters or sequels outside of a Japan-onry Pisstation digital-only last-gen release
>Wasn't even part of the new wave of sega games announced
Youch, Virtual-On have it rough, man. Altough considering its modern sega we are talking about, maybe its for the better. Can't imagine how they'll rape my wife's franchise... Again.
I was honestly shocked we even got the ps4 ports in the first place. With EXVS finally slowing down I cant think of a better time for sega to give VO another shot. It might actually be able to pick up some EXVS refugees.
my dream mecha game is a cross between the transformers cybertron games, armored core, neon genesis evangelion (no rebuildshit), and elite dangerous, plus whatever good from the gundam games
unfortunately, the unenlightened masses cannot wrap their heads around full three dimensional movement
they need limitations on vertical mobility to be able to process it
A very good but honestly overrated campaign, unbalanced multiplayer that either feels like cod or quake/tribes depending on the gun you choose. Many shitty maps. Either you drop the game as a slow or embrace the speed and style on slows. Titan combat is all about positioning and using the right thing at the right time, may or may not feel repetitive.
another reason why mecha might not be popular is because mecha is a supremely hard aesthetic to nail down and extra time has to be spent during dev time to nail it down, like with destructible limbs or armored cores retro thrusters. artists and animators must know how biological and mechanical objects move and combine them effectively. A lot of time in general has to be spent on the art aspect of the game in general.
One of the reasons I can never get into indie mecha games is they never have good mecha designs or art direction, it always looks like some walmart knockoff toys
If you don't have money for real artists and designers, maybe don't get into the genre that leans heavily on art and design for its appeal
man i really hope they reuse gundam evolution's assets and make a singleplayer game with them. i figure if they can make a 30 game with good replayability gimmicks it could net them a good profit to make more with since the gameplay is actually fricking fun
I really hate games that take the exact same movement and physics as human characters and just slap "mecha" skins on top of them. Feels like shit to play.
I've only played one mecha game, and it was some kind of dynasty warriors knockoff for the 360
I don't even remember buying it, it just appeared on my shelf one day
It was literally just dynasty warriors but with mechas, I don't remember anything beyond that >calls me a Black person but he's the subhuman getting belligerent over plastic robot game
Please
>go look it up to figure out why you're being such a woman about this >it's literally called dynasty warriors gundam
so the point of contention is that i didn't remember this random game i played 17 years ago was ACTUALLY a dynasty warriors reskin
I never understood these threads. Why would you want it to become mainstream? Anything that is mainstream goes to shit because it begins to degrade itself around the whims of women and gays, and eventually gets taken over by them.
Just let mecha exist within its niche circle. It's not like it's dying. It's successful thanks to a very dedicated fanbase. ACVI sold like hotcakes for what it was.
Same deal with Tokusatsu. Normalgays will never get Kamen Raider and Godzilla, and that's okay.
but your pic is exactly why the west will never like toku, they see it as a hokey kid's show >crappy monsterverse shit
not just those, Minus One did incredibly well in burgerland
>crappy monsterverse shit?
The first and final acts of 2014 and the scant few moments of Big G in the second act are solid. Kong Skull Island is just a really great movie on its own merits. King of the Monsters was the level of kaiju fighting I wanted from the big budget Hollywood Godzilla movie. Everything after is getting into MCU-level wank.
up until recently trying to emulate the AC games outside the PS1 ones was a pain in the ass
both PS2 and PS3 emulation has made leaps and bounds since then, you now even have analog control hacks
Normals can't imprint themselves on giant robots
This is at least one of the reasons.
A lot of westerners also have this weird thing where they specifically see giant robots as childish, but are okay consuming capeshit, YA fantasy and other types of fiction.
But in addition to that Sci-fi isn't really popular, so Mecha has the added hurdle of being a subgenre within an already unpopular genre.
Also modern technological development moved away from the megasize/external exploration(Spaceships, airplanes, giant structures) to the internal/microscale(Computers, the internet, AI, etc)
The difference is controlling a powerful thing vs being a powerful thing.
I'm a westerner and I fricking hate super robots so much it's unreal. Mechwarrior, Starseige, Heavy Gear, Steel Battalion... we didn't know how good we had it back then. Doesn't help that my other favorite genre (space sims) died at around the same time
If you like real robot, then you should watch Bravern this season. It's a pretty good and grounded series about how two different squads of real robot pilots would deal with an alien threat with combined arms forces.
>capeshit, YA fantasy and other types of fiction.
Because they're grounded on reality; giant robots require an absolutely outrageous level of suspension of disbelief.
>giant robots require an absolutely outrageous level of suspension of disbelief
not really
>Capeshit and YA Fantasy
>Remotely grounded in reality
>Because they're grounded on reality; giant robots require an absolutely outrageous level of suspension of disbelief.
Observe: Normalgay "logic"
insane troll logic: the post
>Because they're grounded on reality
LOL!
bullshit everyone loved pacific rim, if they didn't decide to suicide the franchise with the 2nd movie it could've been the gateway drug the western audiences needed for super robots.
meant for
Clearly people didn't love it enough if they had to take chink money to make a sequel
>sci-fi
>unpopular
Why is that? Is the concept of technology and societal/philosophical questions too much for normies? I'm baffled at how/why this is the case when Star Trek/Wars was fricking huge during its heyday.
>during its heyday.
key term here
Then what happened? Why did the popularity of sci-fi drop off a cliff?
>Star Wars/Trek is shit
Irrelevant. They were sci-fi series that were gangbusters popular, yet I haven't seen a single sci-fi series come close to it in popularity. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy, but that's lumped in with Capeshit so I don't count it
Trek typically married a good formula of light drama with its sci-fi shit, and didn't require you to think too hard about what was going on. When it did want to make you think, it did it TNG-style and married it to something closely relatable in the real world, like that episode where everyone suddenly gets hyper-concerned about warp travel's effect on the fabric of the universe. Not coincidentally, when they got too autistic and stopped doing that correctly, its popularity nosedived.
Star Wars is just best given in small, epic doses so they become memorable events. Disney didn't understand that and thought they could spam people with it.
Most other sci-fi series' can't catch on because they violated the normie rules from the start. B5 for instance, good as it was, limited its audience by making them think too hard about what the frick was going on. Stargate, Farscape, etc. Then you have shit like Lexx that was simply too quirky to ever attract more than a niche audience.
It's because Normies just want sloppy edgy soap opera's like they turned Trek and Wars into. No one wants to question things, just more content to consume and gossip over on twitter.
Sci Fi hasnt been that popular since the 90s
Maybe people just suffer from escapism, Sci Fi reminfs them too much of harsh and sad reality
Even formerly Sci Fi shit (like eva for example) turned to full fantasy/escapism, so did Star Trek
Hauntology
AKA average people dreaming of the future makes them think they can do something, which makes them disruptive, which makes the line go down.
Keeping the average joe in a constant state of "everything is shit but this is the best it can possibility be" is the true and final demoralization tactic.
they don't know how fun is to pilot a jehuti
real answer: you can't make a controversy out of it
>japoid mech games look absurd and have moronic anime plots
>western mech games are extremely niche autism simulators
Seems obvious to me.
riftbreaker is an example of the second which is one of my favorite games
Its a pretty excellent hybrid of
>tower defense
>basebuilding/RTS
>automation autism
>single player Starcraft campaign hero etc
Overall its very, very well done. Even the studio's previous games lik X-Morph Defense are great fun if its your particular kind of autism.
I played x-morph defense first and was really impressed with it(got it for free in some bundle), which is why I got riftbreaker. I was lucky to play them in that order, made the metallic valley campaign a cool reveal.
>tfw tf|2 merged the two styles
Oh, how could I forget about Titanfall 2?
I stand corrected: the only mecha videogames Ganker like and consider worth playing are ZOE2, Titanfall 2 and SRW Endless Frontier.
I like AC too
AC6 is neither a mecha game or a real AC game
how?
Cape and YA dystopias are spinoffs of science fiction, settings where science advancements or simply alien biology allow things like superpowered humans following its own internal logic. Fantasy settings have their own internal logic where wizards and archers have their place on the battlefield.
Meanwhile mecha expect us to believe that an impractical humanoid machine that becomes a worthless piece of junk when it receives a rocket on its knee will replace practical war machines like tanks or planes in a setting where those machines are the ones that would actually make sense.
Modern Capeshit and YA Dystopicslop don't have any internal logic. It's just made up power levels on one side, and teen girls dismantling entire governments with the power of friendship on the other.
>practical war machines like tanks
jej, enjoy five thousand more years of drone platforms and missiles
>renders your 'practical' war machine obsolete
>can't actually do anything beyond reconnaissance and dropping hand grenades
>Rams into your tank and blows up, rendering it combat ineffective
Minovsky Particles
>Hyper efficient energy source
>scrambles all radar and communications
>Mechs have a higher baseline agility and have a better field of view than a tank or jet
Try Universal Century (AKA Main Universe) Gundam they solved the issue back in the 70s
Idc about your opinions, gengay
>le ebin contrarian man
No true Scotsman, erm... Mecha fan, would say something like this
>SRW Endless Frontier
Eh, the best version of that gameplay is Project X Zone 2 which has markedly less mechs. Might as well play a regular SRW game or ZoE Fist of Mars.
tf2 is proof that
this anon is correct and most devs are moronic and mismanage their games into oblivion, same thing could be said about western mecha in general with every single promising mecha franchise coming out of the west being killed off by baffling decisions that could've been avoided.
too bad it's sucks
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how soulless subhumans think.
two of the top three best selling games of all time are about stacking blocks, the other one is about indiscriminate murder. if you want a mecha game to be mainstream, make it about block stacking or crime simulation.
but mecha games are already parts stacking and warcrime simulators
they play weird and majority of them suck somehow
This was the only correct answer
just know you were seen anon
The fans are fricking insane
EX: all armored core threads
Would SRW becoming popular in the west be a good thing or bad thing? Something tells me it'll attract undesired people like Witch from Mercury did when that attracted Twitter and Reddit users.
SRW had Endless Frontier in the west, which got slammed for "muh sexism". Granted it's not really giant robots.
>Granted it's not really giant robots.
The whole fricking game is about giant ass robots though
Endless Frontier didn't have giant robots. You played as a bunch of people who had a few 5 foot tall robots.
I wish we'd get more mecha tactics/srpg games. About the only things I remember releasing in recent memory were crap like Into the Breach and Battletech but they just didn't do it for me.
>I wish we'd get more mecha tactics/srpg games.
Black person
ITS FULL OF THEM
WE NEED MORE ACTION MECHA WERE WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL THE FRICKING ROBOT
I can think of Front Mission, SRW, and Vanguard Bandits. Name some more, then.
If you look up mecha on steam its gonna be full of them, plus we already have 30 years of srw
Im not Ganker you moron
Off the top of my head:
Xenogears
Battletech 2018
A billion non-SRW Gundam games
Almost every single indie mecha game on Steam (Into the Breach being one of the most notable ones)
Power Dolls
And so on and so on
Games where you actually control the robot in real time are extremely rare.
>Xenogears
That's a standard JRPG, not tactics or strategy
Exactly. You aren't controlling the robot, just choosing attacks from a menu. From a functional standpoint is no different from a tactic games.
>You aren't controlling the robot
Yes you are? There are mechanical differences between ground combat and gears combat.
Not at all. Having a fuel counter doesn't make the Gear combat any different from the ground combat, you even have similar combo systems.
And you're missing the point super hard. You aren't controlling the robot, you're just choosing attacks from a menu and the robot does everything. You don't have any real control.
>Having a fuel counter doesn't make the Gear combat any different from the ground combat
Yes it does. You can't slug in gear combat or you'll run out of it. It also works as MP for all the flashy attacks (not confuse with actual MP which some gears can still use)
>you even have similar combo systems.
And still works different from normal grounded combat. But whatever, not gonna defend XGs combat.
>You aren't controlling the robot, you're just choosing attacks from a menu and the robot does everything
And how is that not controlling it? I pick the actionand the robot does the action. That is the exact definition of control. Look mate, just because you don't like turn based games doesn't mean the game can't evoke the feeling of piloting a robot.
>And how is that not controlling it?
Well, you tell me. You're the one who b***hed about turn based tactics game and wanted a game where you actually CONTROL THE FRICKING ROBOT
>That is the exact definition of control.
kek of the day right here
>just choosing attacks from a menu. From a functional standpoint is no different from a tactic games.
classical uneducated Ganker opinion
>shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
weird projecting homosexual
anyone not liking TTGL is fricking soulless and is objectively not worth interacting with
No, you're mad that the people around you don't become soulless clones that like the same things as you.
And funnily enough, Gurren Lagann is one of those "mainstream approved" anime shows so at the end you're just being a different flavor of generic normalgay NPC.
I think you need to take a break from Ganker and reevaluate how you see things. That really isn't a healthy mindset to have.
>That really isn't a healthy mindset to have.
I let my friends like the things they like and don't start looking down at them as "subhuman soulless creatures not worth interacting with" because they don't like the things I like. I'm the only one with a healthy mindset here.
>into the breach
>notable
lol
lmao even
>dropped it
you should have dropped your soulless homosexual "friend"
Still trapped on the PS4/5 of all fricking things.
Hope they give it a switch or a PC port.
you fricking moron
The ACE series
Regardless of my final thoughts and feelings about the show, I will always be glad that it will always live rent-free on Ganker's mind.
And then you will complain they aren't true "mecha games", just glorified shooters / soulslikes like you did with AC6.
>And then you will complain they aren't true "mecha games", just glorified shooters / soulslikes like you did with AC6.
I didn't you disingenuous homosexual
Yes you did.
In fact for all the big talk Ganker has about mecha, I think the only two mecha videogames that the board actually likes are ZOE2 and Endless Frontier, which isn't even a mecha game (the mechas there being just android assists). The rest are seen as slop of varying degrees.
Kys /u/gay, glad SEED Freedom made everyone forget that travesty to the point the Strike Freedom now outsells both Aerial and Calibarn.
Oh come on.
SEED is almost as big and popular as UC; being overshadowed by SEED would be expected regardless of the show preceding it.
Found a pic of (you)r sugar daddy.
The y/u/ri genre is just for hentai.
Reminder that Seed Freedom has pretty much completely buried Witch, to the point that the reveal trailer had overshadowed Witch's finale.
that never happened Chang
Nobody gives a shit about G-Witch anymore. The fricking main mech Calibarn can't even sell a metal build for the same price as an MSV Zaku.
Meanwhile you have to spend 320$ USD to get Destiny 2 and its Harute backpack because those frickers are selling them separately and then spend 75$ more just to get the Wings of Light plastic.
Meh, SRW gatekeeps itself due to many aspects. Say what you will about their quality but the commitment to being purely SRPGs is already a filter to many (surprised they haven't even tried adding a sort of datesim mechanic to it, lol). On the other hand, the game being a crossover is also another aspect that keeps people away: They are either fans of the shows already, may gain interest on the show due to the game (people that pass the filter and become well adjusted fans), and people that will probably complain about the game doesn't focus on their show enough. Even if G-witch its wave of zoomers come in, they'll leave the moment they have to sit through 3 maps of 70s Super Robot/80s Real Robot Stuff.
>TLDR
It won't get big, its just too niche.
30 is my first game and it got me interested in Gun x Sword, Getter Robo, and Dancouga.
>Would SRW becoming popular in the west be a good thing or bad thing?
Bad
I don't want more westoids in my mecha, just look at the latest Gundam project not Freedom
>Didn't get the guy who made the Astartes animations
>Gets the other guy
>Main writer of the show wrote that horrible Transformers cartoon with a nonbinary Transformer
>MC is an ugly woman with danger hair
and some motherfrickers are still gaslighting anyone who points out the woke crap it is
not enough giant sexy robots you can play as
ZOE fans are obnoxious as frick so I'm glad the series got shitcanned by Konami.
>ZOE fans
yeah, all two of them. (i'm one of them)
Case in point
Playing the homosexual victim card because they're obnoxious fricks
You may not be human excrement as Mechwarrior fans but you're pretty pretty close
>why are mecha games unpopular with the mainstream?
they are mainstream in japan right? their boomers grew up with every other comic and tv show being about a kid who pilots a giant robot
>their boomers
never played games, just sold them
No sexy mecha waifus
you don't see your character, you see an object
people like seeing their cool dude or hot babe mc
The major mecha IP holders are fricking incompetent and nearly never port/translate the good games they made.
>EXVS2 outside Japan never ever
>Gundam VS on PC never ever
>why a niche genre is not popular in mainstream
More People should Play FrontMi
transformers movies sold well, shit like gundam is just gay.
transformers are just as gay as gundam
Omega boost is fricking sick
case in point, combat never really got better than "shoot homing missiles to hit everything on the screen"
>shitty Panzer Dragoon gameplay
riveting
Am I the weird one for liking mecha games? This one was my childhood, and Medabots if Medabots counts. I tried to get my friend into mecha, I figured Gurren Lagann would be a safe point of entry into the genre but he got half way through and dropped it after the Lordgenome fight.
>Am I the weird one for liking mecha games
Yes, but take a look at the state of people around you and ask yourself if it is better to be "normal"
Yeah, I guess that's a fair point. At least I can enjoy /m/echa with you nerds.
I just wanted to share things I like with a buddy, I didn't "shove it down his throat". I still grill him for it, but it's in half jest.
I will never understand this mindset of wanting to shove the things you like down your friends' throats and turn them into your clones.
You b***h about normalgays being NPCs unable to think for themselves but you sure want your friends to do the same.
Giant robots are the dreams of men.
So women are right out the window.
'Women' are also out the window, but with a noose.
Normies don't have the capacity to dream of anything that doesn't actually exist (madden and shooting).
And then there's the large proportion of those who are left who have become hopeless husks without dreams.
The audience is just too small. This world is not about the dreams of men anymore.
>Giant robots are the dreams of men.
No, giant robots are just toys for children. Giant robot shows are just commercials for said toys.
>every show is a toy commercial like the gundam borefest
is there even a board with more moronic opinions than Ganker?
>every show is a toy commercial
Exactly. Every single piece of mecha fiction has as objective sell you the toys.
you can say that about literally every piece of comercial medium
I'm sorry, but I only listen to the opinions of men.
>So women are right out the window.
Ratbat was a woman and constantly drew pictures of male mecha fricking women.
Chicks dig giant robots though.
fujos also draw a lot of transformers N/SFW art
the FoV was the hardest part of this game
I still have mine cib
man zoe2 was so fricking sick
I really loved the japanese cast too, I'm so glad we have access to these things now thanks to some dedicated fans
Could there possibly be any more shit on the screen?
It's a mecha game. If anything, the HUD is too minimal.
>Ganker not get filtered by literally anything challenge
Give your webms names so I don't have to ask wat game.
nah
frick you
I like the recent trend of Ultraman having mecha to help him. Too bad they are jobbers
PGI is single-handedly killed off the mecha sim genre with their stranglehold on mechwarrior and their refusal to do anything innovative with the ip. Mechwarrior is the biggest name when it comes to these types of games and since it's a zombie franchise noboby wants to make a game like it since pgi is "proving" to everyone else that this genre is unprofitable. Doesn't help their 2000's greebly artstyle is unmarketable as well.
It's not that they have a strangehold; Mechwarrior fans just absolutely despise any form of mecha media that isn't Battletech so there is no reason for anyone to give mecha a new spin.
That's also a moronic situation because it's mechwarrior fans in particular that hate other forms of mecha. Most modern tabletop fans are begging for a game that accurately recreates the wacky shit that can happen on tabletop in real time.
For what it's worth, I, a Mechwarrior fan, do enjoy some other forms of mecha.
NO SEE FACE! NO SEE FACE! CANT RELATE! CANT RELATE! ME NO UNDASTAND!
ALL ALIEN SCUM MUST DIE
FEEL THE ROAR OF THE
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>Konami still hasn't made a full Metal Gear Simulator game
Words cannot express how much I want this, thanks for reminding me of my crushed dreams.
The rights holders are often incompetent and usually don't make anything that is fun to play or presentable, or they never leave the land of moonrunes if they are worth a playthrough. Shit is sorely lacking in polish, presentation, and direction.
I'm baffled that people are posting Evangelion on this thread; Evangelion not only isn't a mecha show but it literally killed the genre.
The genre was already on its knees by the time Eva came along, what with Macross fizzling out and Gundam oversaturating the airwaves with carpet bombing of low quality media. If anything, Eva gave the genre a second lease on life, and that's from someone who doesn't like it.
>Eva gave the genre a second lease on life
No it didn't; it was the lethal injection to a dying patient; but You're right about the genre being on its way out.
Eva was the reason we got the Braves revival, the reason Gundam made a comeback, etc.
It's the opposite: Evangelion killed the mecha genre for good due to deconstructing it in a way people couldn't take it seriously.
Those post-Eva shows are just subversive variations trying to get some of the Eva pie or Gundam being Gundam, but the genre as it used to be ceased completely to exist.
which /m/ reject are you and use your trip or name homosexualry so I can filter you.
Shooting the messenger won't make the message any less valid.
Hell, Evangelion fans are very vocal about how much they despise the mecha genre and how Eva is the "only good one".
Basically a localized version of how Cowboy Bebop fans see Bebop and anime as a whole.
Most Eva fans I know are utterly obsessed with the genre. Most normies I know just despise Shinji for being a 'weak beta homosexual' and are the ones who hate mecha in general.
>Most Eva fans I know are utterly obsessed with the genre.
No they aren't. Eva fans fricking hate mecha with a passion.
The first thing I learned about evangelion fans after getting into the series is that they are usually blabbering homosexuals, barring some
I went in blind as a 3dgay and came out becoming properly invested into mecha, closest thing beforehand being Transformers/Pacific Rim/Metal Gear
So not my problem
People still took Mecha seriously afterwards, Shinji was a twist on the standard teen anime protag and he inspired countless angsty teens right afterwords. People really overemphasis how much impact Eva truly had on "deconstructing" the genre.
>People still took Mecha seriously afterwards
No they didn't. We're having this thread because mecha has never been taken seriously.
>deconstructing it in a way people couldn't take it seriously
homie what kind of spell are you talking about here because it clearly didn't work on me
are you referring to what rebuildshit did or what?
checked
I hope MechWarrior: Clans is good.
I hope it fails so we can get a new dev who isn't poverty tier.
who would even pick it up, I don't want the series to die for 20 years again
>Those post-Eva shows are just subversive variations trying to get some of the Eva pie
Go lurk /m/ for a few years, your newbie is showing
Eva revolutionized mecha, moron.
>newbie calling others a newbie while telling to to lurk a dead board of dhitty shows
kek
Evangelion made mecha mature instead of the Saturday morning cartoon BS that swamped mecha for years. Yeah it kill the genre and for the better, anyone thinking otherwise is moronic
>Evangelion made mecha mature
why do you cope & seethe
this acrimony is needless
They seethe because it's true? have you not seen any mech animes? first grade psychology.
eva causes hyperbolic contrarians to have mental breakdowns by virtue of existing for some reason (more so than other mecha series)
normal people look at this shit and are just bewildered, it's like children arguing over which of their toys are cooler
Cause its not true, hell, some real "mature" mecha will probably filter you
pic related
>REEEEEEEEEE
ok
>everyone is wrong but me
Cope
You're a complete moron if you genuinely think people care about the mecha in EVA.
you're a complete moron if you think they don't considering you're talking to half a thread worth of them, myself included
i tire of seeing this shit after working on modeling/texturing/rigging just about any mecha type you can think of
Oh really? Prove it. Because every EVA thread I have ever seen is just waifugayging. I'd really love for you to prove me wrong with many threads.
>every EVA thread I have ever seen is just waifugayging
and guess who was on the opposing team in that clustefrick
waifugayging is a disease that every japanese cartoon suffers from but like frick does eva suffer from it like nothing I've seen before
You're a drooling moron
Eva is not mecha moron and never will be
For me its patlabor that shit is pure fire which can't be made in modern times
>Eva is mature
Those cartoons have more mature theme than eva shit
Based and truthpilled
>Begging for recommendations
>Evangelion made mecha mature
EVA being a deconstruction of mecha is nothing but a moron take parroted by pseuds
it's literally just a mish mash of anno's favorite IPs like ultraman, thunderbirds, nausicaa (evas are based on the god warriors), ideon, raideen the brave, space battleship yamato, etc featuring his self insert, miss yamato nadeshiko herself, an exotic BPD demon and freudian mommy desires alcoholism edition
the only reason it veered into psychoanalysis halfway through was anno getting extremely depressed
It's amazing how XG took so many of the same concepts as Evangelion, but used them in an actually relevant and cohesive way to the characters and plot
Sometimes something Anno didn't read shit, he just thought it looked cool. Something something, takahashi actually discussed religion and psychology with his wife during lunch breaks at squaresoft.
>Anno didn't read shit, he just thought it looked cool
that is actually a myth taken from an out of context quote when he was in an elementary school in front of a class
Evangelion is a character study. The plot is irrelevant other than as a way to get the characters to interact.
the plot and the kabbalist/gnostic villains it concerns is extremely relevant, especially with what is happening in the world today
I mean, so is XG.
Fei sorting his literal schizophrenia is a quintessential part of the plot.
>Evangelion is a character study
And not a good one. XG actually used psychology concepts and models and adapted them into characters, rather than making shit up as it went like Eva did and never using terminology or existential questions in any meaningful or interesting way.
you literally just described what nge did
99% of people who find it trendy to talk shit about the series don't actually understand anything about it and just want to promote their other series instead
>you literally just described what nge did
It absolutely did not. None of the religious terminology or naming had any deeper connotations to what they were attached haphazardly to. None of the "character studies" followed any kind of psychology model or literature. None of the "conspiracy" behind Seele or Gendo added up to anything interesting. It was completely hollow and meaningless, but morons imprinted on sad boy sad in bad world.
>he just like me fr fr 🙁
>he can't comprehend the fact that people don't self insert when going through fiction
unironically filtered
>no answer
unironically defeated
subjective taste is not fact
you can vet everything as you do history but you're playing instead
>any kind of psychology model or literature
Good, that stuff is all wrong.
The Mecha genre was killed by the oversaturation of Moe in the 2000's and then Isekai. Eva did more to keep Mecha alive than anything else.
>The Mecha genre was killed by the oversaturation of Moe in the 2000's
Black person to this day people still dickrides SEED, maybe super robot but definetely not Gundam
Mecha is really a branch of the henshin hero genre that got too derived and inbred for its own good. Don’t deny it, going back to its mythical roots revitalized the genre.
Please say you’re a secondary without saying you’re a secondary.
There’s a good reason why /m/ allows kaiju and toku to be posted alongside mecha. They’re practically the same.
tokushit will never be /me/
Play nice with your cousins.
>literally made for mecha fans by mecha fans as the initial premise
>same people would do macross
>shit like pacific rim is directly inspired by it
>armored core has shit from it
you don't know what you're talking about m8
I tried this game for like two hours and got really fricking bored with the copy+paste combat that never really got better
GIVE ME LEGENDS OF GALACTIC HEROES GAME
I WILL BUY IT JUST FOR THE CHANCE OF HAVING BIG SPACE BATTLES BETWEEN THOUSANDS OF WARSHIPS AND SPACE MECHS
Are you lost?
This is a mecha thread, not a LOTGH thread, and LOTGH fans hate the frick out of mecha.
>LOTGH fans hate the frick out of mecha.
says who? I enjoy both. I'd kill for a game in the universe
you tell me
>SRW V
>Some guy uploaded all the attack animations
>Out of each one, EVA has the most views at a whopping 1.6 million
So what series would definitely attract zoomers and normies into the next SRW? Something tells me between these 3:
>Iron Blooded Orphans
>Witch from Mercury
>Darling in the Franxx
>Tekketsu is dreperssion porn and SnM is yuricrap
Darling.
also SRW isn't a very populr series because it is a TRPG if it at least were an arena fighter would interest the masses a little bit more
Iron Blooded Orphans is easily the most popular Gundam show in the west and the golden standard for the franchise on the eyes of the western world, even bigger than Wing was during the 90s.
Witch from Mercury came and went and it's like it never existed.
Darling in the Franxx is only popular between anime fans and only as a joke.
>Witch from Mercury came and went and it's like it never existed.
Bamco really bumbled that one because they captured a whole new audience then decided they didn't want them. It's fine though, /m/echa fans didn't want them either.
>Bamco really bumbled that one because they captured a whole new audience
No they didn't.
Mecha fans hate mecha media that doesn't depict an open war
Gundam fans are right wingers and /u/ content is literal anathema to them
Yuri fans don't care about non-yuri media so they won't care about anything else the Gundam fanchise would offer to them
Witch from Mercury is a show that appealed to almost no one and the only ones who were interested on it are the kind of people who would never consume any other form of mecha media. Easily Bandai Namco's biggest blunder of 2022 and 2023.
>Witch from Mercury is a show that appealed to almost no one and the only ones who were interested on it are the kind of people who would never consume any other form of mecha media
But there's plenty of other yuri mecha for them like Symphogear
>inb4 not mecha
can't think of any other recent popular one
>Bamco really bumbled that one
the series is dogcrap but gunpla sells like crack, pic related sells like crazy
That shit couldn't even outsell a 4 year old RG.
Last good mech game I played was zone of the enders
>get me a taco b***h
They have no soul. Well I hope they love Black folk and trannies because that's all they're getting now.
Because giant robots are interesting, but only from a distance. Noone but mecha autists really want to get in one or know more than a few soundbytes about one.
Roughly human-sized ones have it even worse. They're just not interesting at all.
Unrealistic and moronic. Anime is cringe. Transformers is the only good "mech" story-driven franchise since it's western. Eva gets a pass since it's the only well-written anime to ever exist.
>only well-written anime
most well written mecha anime*
transformers point is correct
transformers is the spawn of gundam and is usually superior in almost every way due to the creativity and variety it offers on top of mecha, and can be considered an evolution of the genre
or maybe this is just a skill issue with writers and this is all bullshit
>Eva gets a pass since it's the only well-written anime to ever exist.
>Has never seen Monster
>Has never seen Grave of Fireflies
Get getter material
I'm getting the vague sense that no one here has any idea what Mecha even is.
Big robots fighting each other, usually looks cringe.
What's the most REALISTIC mech series that could happen IRL?
It can't because humanoid mechas are inherently impractical.
Also I wouldn't use as an example of realism a show with interplanetary travel and a main character who was a humanoid god with probability manipulation powers.
Flag is probably the most realistic show you'll ever find. Gasaraki portrays modern warfare and the niche robots could fill in urban settings (just ignore the Oni/reincarnation/end of the world plot). Patlabor also shows a pretty realistic and mundane world that incorporated robots into its world and its only real sin is being too optimistic (10 years my ass). Haven't seen them but Bullbuster and Obsolete both seem pretty realistic too.
>wanting something to be mainstream so it can die from social pandering and dumbifiying for wider audiences.
have a nice day. There is nothing wrong with something being and staying niche.
mecha is mainstream and normalgay friendly as it gets
Is that why OP makes daily threads complaining on why mecha games isn't mainstream enough?
Is that why Pacific Rim is a dead IP?
It was mainstream then
Because majority gamer population are homosexuals
>Mechas fighting mechas
I sleep
>Mechas fighting big monsters
Real shit
Why would you design anything that requires multiple pilots to move in sync to work
because reasons
also they lift the concept from nge and especially that episode
also the colors in this scene are TASTY
ILM peaked in this era
>also they lift the concept from nge and especially that episode
That's what makes it extra gay
nothing as cringe as westerners referencing anime
>its... LE CRINGE because... it just is ok???
allow yourself to enjoy genuinely nice things for once
no I am not affiliated with ILM so they are not paying me to say this
It's cringe because get an original fricking idea for once
there is nothing new under the sun
you don't actually like originality, you like the idea of it
and this is still a different take
who do I believe
You know why
Something something too comlpex for one human. The human brain works the same way dummy. Also it's cool.
>colmpex
*complex
You know, for a dumb action movie Pacific Rim had some really good cinematography.
both is good
tranimegays hate it when you tell them their shit sucks
99% of Eva gays aren't even mecha fans. They just sae le popular waifu wars and heard about the 2deep4u writing that makes em go "omg this totally resonates with me cause like I'm also depressed and (insert some mental illness they project onto the characters)"
Literally the same crowd that watches 4 hour video essays that deconstruct some children's TV show and say it's about some deep ass allegory for a certain political thought.
So it makes sense that Ganker which is full of these people honest to God think Eva is some Godsend of mecha. When really it's just like any other in the genre
If mecha were about the characters more people would like it, this is why eva is so good. It did shit nobody thought about doing before.
Black person pic related is the Eastern equivalent of Darth Vader.
Try again.
>is the Eastern equivalent of Darth Vader
You posted the wrong guy
Yes most eva fan don't gave a shit about mecha, they're there for waifu homosexualry
>confirmation bias
speak for yourself, not the lowest common denominator you'll find on Ganker or normalgay social media
Why were these not ported to Steam but they made some shitty VR game to be on Steam?
>Why were these not ported to Steam
>dude just emulate
kys, homosexual
Armored core 6 is only hated because balteus was legitimately too hard
Titanfall 2 is pretty popular
One of the most common criticisms leveled at Starfield was not being able to drive a mech
It requires high IQ.
Are transformers considered mecha?
metroplex heeds the call of the last prime
>Literally robots
Why not?
Now if you like the western side (animated, beast wars/machines, prime, etc) or the japanese side (victory, master force, micron densetsu, beast wars 2/Neo) its up to you.
If mecha actually had characters like EVA you wouldn't have to ask this question any more OP. Games like AC6 took inspiration from EVA by adding some depth to characters.
>Orbital Frames run circles around any other sort of mech in the universe
>Only the Vic Viper is able to keep up with Jehuty at its weakest.
The V2 units were made with the same tech as OFs, they were equivalent in performance to a high spec Type C, they are LEVs in name only. Mars was fricked, they were about to lose their technological edge in the war, making the whole nuke plan even more moronic.
Isn't that because Leo is also sort of a prodigy?
I'm getting filtered by anubis bros. I can't ever dodge his homing missile consistently. Either I get him down to a sliver then die or he just btfo's me in the first few shots. Also is there something wrong with the hd collection of the game because I noticed that in a few youtube videos his homing missile has a shit ton of particle effects that I don't see in my game.
The particle effects are his teleportation
Which you should also have
I like to pretend I'm piloting a mecha when I drive.
Going back.
Going back.
cancelled
I'm tired of pretending that Zone of the Enders is actually a good game. It's fricking boring.
From makes the sick mech games around here
Okay but what about this
MECHAS vs ALIEN MECHAS
Any games/series with this premise?
>MECHAS vs ALIEN MECHAS
>Any games/series with this premise?
I got just the thing
Asagi was the only good character in the show
manga translation when?
>Asagi was the only good character in the show
Wrong
How is it? Anyone gave it a shot?
Mechachads what do you think about Exo suits/Power armors? Based or cringe?
>Sega is letting my favorite mecha series just die unceremoniously with no ports, remasters or sequels outside of a Japan-onry Pisstation digital-only last-gen release
>Wasn't even part of the new wave of sega games announced
Youch, Virtual-On have it rough, man. Altough considering its modern sega we are talking about, maybe its for the better. Can't imagine how they'll rape my wife's franchise... Again.
Sakura Wars fans are my bruddas
I just want the Masterpiece Collection ported to PC
I was honestly shocked we even got the ps4 ports in the first place. With EXVS finally slowing down I cant think of a better time for sega to give VO another shot. It might actually be able to pick up some EXVS refugees.
If they released a Steam port of VOOT/Force with good netcode (and a speed boost for Force), it would certainly find a dedicated playerbase
But a new game with Force/EXVS's 4 player matches, with the speed of VOOT, would be fricking tops.
my dream mecha game is a cross between the transformers cybertron games, armored core, neon genesis evangelion (no rebuildshit), and elite dangerous, plus whatever good from the gundam games
also whatever is good from fighting games would be cool to have
well, guess what?
you are NOT getting that, not in a million years!
My dream mecha game is somewhere between ZoE2 and TF Devastation.
>TF Devastation
i would adore something like the mass production series fight in that style, or in the foc final boss arena setting
unfortunately, the unenlightened masses cannot wrap their heads around full three dimensional movement
they need limitations on vertical mobility to be able to process it
why do people pretend this game is difficult? it's the most mindless, floaty thing
>pic
kek
truly a two dimensional thinking moment
Because they're not very good.
You're either driving a shitty tank or playing a super samurai in space. Nothing really captures the feel of either especially well, much less both.
What are some that do, though?
>oh boy a mecha thread on Ganker!
>3 posts in and the morons have arrived
Sigh
>rest of the thread is derailed by homosexuals engaging in franchise wars instead of talking about video games
my day be so fine
then someone mentions evangelion and everyone starts crying
many such cases, mentioning nge is like mentioning the war of 1812 around leafs
instant shitflinging and regurgitated arguments until bump limit
your city lies in dust my friend
i just bought titanfall 2 on steam for 5 bucks.
what am i in for?
A very good but honestly overrated campaign, unbalanced multiplayer that either feels like cod or quake/tribes depending on the gun you choose. Many shitty maps. Either you drop the game as a slow or embrace the speed and style on slows. Titan combat is all about positioning and using the right thing at the right time, may or may not feel repetitive.
>campaign
good, forgot to check if it was multiplayer only, but still hope people are playing.
another reason why mecha might not be popular is because mecha is a supremely hard aesthetic to nail down and extra time has to be spent during dev time to nail it down, like with destructible limbs or armored cores retro thrusters. artists and animators must know how biological and mechanical objects move and combine them effectively. A lot of time in general has to be spent on the art aspect of the game in general.
One of the reasons I can never get into indie mecha games is they never have good mecha designs or art direction, it always looks like some walmart knockoff toys
If you don't have money for real artists and designers, maybe don't get into the genre that leans heavily on art and design for its appeal
Nothing worse than checking out a new mech game on steam and everything just looks like AGE grunts.
what's this?
Looks cool but the fact its multiplayer puts me off.
Mechabreak
>Looks cool but the fact its multiplayer puts me off.
Same for me. The moment I heard it was multiplayer only then my interest just died.
man i really hope they reuse gundam evolution's assets and make a singleplayer game with them. i figure if they can make a 30 game with good replayability gimmicks it could net them a good profit to make more with since the gameplay is actually fricking fun
I really hate games that take the exact same movement and physics as human characters and just slap "mecha" skins on top of them. Feels like shit to play.
I've only played one mecha game, and it was some kind of dynasty warriors knockoff for the 360
I don't even remember buying it, it just appeared on my shelf one day
I don't think you know what a knockoff is, but I do think you're a Black person
It was literally just dynasty warriors but with mechas, I don't remember anything beyond that
>calls me a Black person but he's the subhuman getting belligerent over plastic robot game
Please
>thinks the two have anything to do with each other
>go look it up to figure out why you're being such a woman about this
>it's literally called dynasty warriors gundam
so the point of contention is that i didn't remember this random game i played 17 years ago was ACTUALLY a dynasty warriors reskin
I never understood these threads. Why would you want it to become mainstream? Anything that is mainstream goes to shit because it begins to degrade itself around the whims of women and gays, and eventually gets taken over by them.
Just let mecha exist within its niche circle. It's not like it's dying. It's successful thanks to a very dedicated fanbase. ACVI sold like hotcakes for what it was.
Same deal with Tokusatsu. Normalgays will never get Kamen Raider and Godzilla, and that's okay.
are you seriously trying to argue that godzilla isn't popular with normalgays, even if it's the crappy monsterverse shit?
also picrel
but your pic is exactly why the west will never like toku, they see it as a hokey kid's show
>crappy monsterverse shit
not just those, Minus One did incredibly well in burgerland
>crappy monsterverse shit?
The first and final acts of 2014 and the scant few moments of Big G in the second act are solid. Kong Skull Island is just a really great movie on its own merits. King of the Monsters was the level of kaiju fighting I wanted from the big budget Hollywood Godzilla movie. Everything after is getting into MCU-level wank.
Because there's barely any Macross games released in the west.
a lot of mecha games are also stuck as console exclusives
which makes ripping a pita
up until recently trying to emulate the AC games outside the PS1 ones was a pain in the ass
both PS2 and PS3 emulation has made leaps and bounds since then, you now even have analog control hacks
they've always been a niche thing and as mainstream shit has solidified more it's probably locked it out from that ever happening, idk thats my guess
mecha no being mainstream is a good thing
mecha games should never have human NPCs
the last thing I want is to see Diversity™ in my mecha games