Well GW had to pay for the initial sculptor to design the model and pays for a mold. GW also has to pay for lazy, overpriced bongs to make the product in 'safe' conditions with 'safer' resins, and bong 'workdays' are like 2 hours with 3 different breaks.
Meanwhile, Chink and slavs run sweat shops with long work hours and the cheapest, most dangerous resin. That's why they are cheaper.
>That being said their profit margin is probably still like 1500%
No it isn't. They're a publicly traded company, you can go look at the numbers on revenue vs costs for yourself.
is that why recasters cost 1/5 of forge world or GW resin?
>durr if I steal something why is it cheaper than paying for it
>probably
so you've got no fricking idea then
the process of getting a sculpt to a mould was expensive a couple of decades or more ago, even then your decades out of date pricing has been hyperbolised by thousands of soi gw apologists playing chinese whispers
if it cost " hundreds of thousands of dollars" for a plastic injection mould why the frick is every tom dick and harry doing hard plastics?
think
Warhammer is specifically over priced because they know their fans will buy their stuff anyway. Other miniature games are much cheaper to run than warhammer, but because warhammer is the popular one, and people want to beable to play it, they also pick the popular one, because its a safe bet that there will be other people to play against.
Hol shit anon you're so far off. Unless you're buying exclusively foreworld models, there no way you could get an army to cost that much, the range for price is 500-1000 US.
Take advantage of limited bundles, two leviathan boxes before tax is $500 US and ~2000 points. You can trade/sell the half you don't want to get the full 2000 for nids or marines.
Forgot about that. Though this tactic only really works if you are a Space Marine fan since I doubt there will ever be a leviathan style box for the Tau or Imperial Guard. Atleast in the future no idea about any they got in the past.
The only exclusives I have are: primaris company champion, imperium captain, Uriel ventress (the black library sculpt)
Everything else is an average character chaplain on bike, librarian in phobus armor etc
With bell blasters, incursors assault intercessors etc
My krieg army is already close to $500 and all it is right now is : 1 made to order commissar yarrick in resin, 2 boxes of plastic kill team kreig, and a few forge world heavy stubber teams
How many points is your space marine army? Obviously you can spend as much money as you want to make it as big as possible but the expectation is only ~2000 points worth. I have ~3000 in SM and just going off single unit MSRP it's around 1200-1400. Cost me less tho since a large amount of that is a combat patrol and the SM halves of indomitus and leviathan.
>kreig
Yeah kreig are going to be ludicrously expensive since all their stuff is foreworld beyond the the kill team kit.
Hard to say since everything is on magnets, but 2000 points if I make them all the most expensive unit choices I can
Less than 2k if I make them cheaper
7 months ago
Anonymous
Damn how'd you end up spending so much on it? Using a lot of forgeworld HH stuff? Or are you Australian lol
Forgot about that. Though this tactic only really works if you are a Space Marine fan since I doubt there will ever be a leviathan style box for the Tau or Imperial Guard. Atleast in the future no idea about any they got in the past.
Therr's the holiday boxes too that are pretty good for starting armies, typically around 1000 points for $300 US.
$500 if you're running gray tide maybe. You can add another $100 easily if you want a proper paint job. Then storage and transportation, the codex itself, etc.
Paint is definitely another expense, but you can get good bang for your buck using an airbrush, storage and transport just needs a big enough container and as much foam as you need which are pretty cheap online. Codexes/rules supplements are really only necessary if you want a physical copy, plenty of online resources to get the rules from like wahapedia which has just added the 10th ed rules and is working its way toward adding all the index stuff.
7 months ago
Sieg heil
Nah I’m an American, I bought many imperium magazines, I probably have too many characters, I never buy boxes though.
I guess I also bought board games that’s what did me in. If I wanted like say a box of assault intercessors, I would buy a game that had 5 assault intercessors in it and 10 necron warriors
So that my wife would play games with me as a I built up the army.
I also have like $600 in space marine chibis (that I didn’t count in the original figure) bolt gun the game
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah board games are a pretty terrible value proposition if you're looking for just minis
$500 if you're running gray tide maybe. You can add another $100 easily if you want a proper paint job. Then storage and transportation, the codex itself, etc.
depends on the faction. Tyranids are supposed to be an expensive horde army, but you can build 2000 points for 400 bucks if you got a leviathan box with a friend and then a few of the big monsters.
My Chaos Knight army is >Rampager: $185 >Abominant: $185 >Desecrator: $170 >Tyrant: $185 >10 war dogs: $450
So $1175, sans shit like paint and magnets, which probably costed me another $300+
Hol shit anon you're so far off. Unless you're buying exclusively foreworld models, there no way you could get an army to cost that much, the range for price is 500-1000 US.
I actually ran the math and even buying every single tool paint and even terrain assuming you buy 2 combat patrols warhammer 40k is like 1000$ tops buying direct from GW
>2 combat patrols >10th edition
I'm not even gonna be a dick, dude- 2 combat patrols is a nice start to a collection, but let's be real: If it's your first army and you're learning, that's fine. But we all know good and well that Warhammer 40k is designed to be played around 1500 points for all the armies to actually synergize and function as they're intended to.
Yes, you can notionally 'play' with less than that, but even though they don't flat-out say it- this is something that becomes obvious after just a bit of table-time.
>Also people like it because it’s over priced
I used to think this would be a good thing and keep the disgusting useless eaters away from the wargame table, but then I realized that there are minimum-wagies in their late 30's that can't even afford the gas to get to work- and if there's a new Space War Toy on the shelf they want- they'll overdraft their account without hesitation just to get it, and call their mothers and beg for money.
I've seen this with my own eyes, in multiple locations, and I've worked at a FLGS.
It's a hobby which attracts the mentally ill and OCD sufferers. Their obsessiveness will make them always get the new shinies and nothing else in their life matters. It's the same with card games and other nerdy "expensive" hobbies.
I'm not going to lie, so full disclosure: About once every two months I'll buy a GW kit (I don't play 40k any more, I do play Necromunda- and I try to have one of every gang on hand with plenty of options so I can demo the game to people who are interested).
So I am, to some degree, guilty- but all my bills are paid, I've got money for all the things I need, some extra backup money- and I set myself a 'recreation budget'.
I just don't want to give the impression that I'm completely against buying GW stuff, because I'd by a hypocrite.
However, you're right. And in truth, I stopped worrying about FOMO. I ignored it. Nothing GW makes is going to be a limited-time-only except for a few single exceptions, it'll be around for decades. There's not a single GW model that has been released that I wanted and couldn't get YEARS afterward, except for those special release minis for the stores (and usually someone grabs one for me when they get one of their own, and I just pay them when I can).
Groveling and qualifying so that some anonymous third world highschooler who seethes that westerners can buy things will call you cool despite you being things is so much more pathetic than the wagies wasting their money on toys
7 months ago
Anonymous
>[worthless opinion of his betters]
If I wanted your opinion I would tell you what to say, that way I can be certain it has actual value. >Detaching yourself from needing to CONSOOM is a blessing.
Damn right- and I think the worst is, the CONSOOMer is usually the one with a mountain of unpainted models that keeps heaping more on top of it. I've already made it a point to refuse to play with someone more than once if their models aren't painted, or at least some progress hasn't been made.
It's not that I care that much about painted models, but it incentivizes them to focus on the shit they've already bought instead of buying more shit-
And primarily because it makes metahomosexuals upset and butt-hurt, and the more they suffer the better the world is.
Anon, you didn't have to explain yourself to me, as long as the other parts of your life don't suffer because you indulge in plastic crack it is fine. I just wanted to say that there are obsessive people who can't budget their money properly and live for their corporation of choice. I play multiple cardgames myself and detaching yourself from needing to CONSOOM is a blessing.
>Other miniature games are much cheaper to run than warhammer
This used to be more true but I've noticed a trend in recent years of non-GW companies adopting similar prices to GW.
Pretty much every competitor is more expensive than GW.
Also people like it because it’s over priced
Armies cost about $2000-2500
In 5th edition circa 2006, when $20 bought you a squad of minis and maybe $150 -200 is all you needed to play the game nobody gave a fricking shit
Now that it’s money people want to be associated
>Armies cost about $2000-2500
Absolutely untrue.
I have 2300 points of CSM, 800 points of Chaos Knights, 1200 point of Tyranids and 1100 points of Space Marines, a set of Terrain and a Kill Team all for under €1000.
>1. Yes they are >2. No they aren’t >3. No they didn’t
And now I’m done with you. You’re just a useless fat wanker with a big ol corporate dick in your mouth. Go away.
It's only gatekeeping sensible people, poorgays will overdraft their credit cards and literally go full drug addict and steal money to get their fix of plastic men.
minis are pretty cheap now depending where you look, i saw 5 die cast minis for 5 bucks at dollarama. I think the 2 packs of official dnd resin minis can be found for 5-6 bucks.
small toys are usually from 1-5 dollars depending on the materials and detail. minis are usually more detailed than say, a mcdonalds happy meal toy.
theres also the fact that you are somewhat paying for raw material in the box, the sprue itself is a few extra ounces of plastic that isnt just free. for GUNPLA though there are high grade models that are less than 20 dollars, they are passing the savings of manufacturing the toy on to the consumer who gets added value from building and modeling their toy from "scratch"
just to go further with this, if you wanted to buy like 20 storm trooper action figures to army build they are like 30 USD now so you're looking at 600 dollars before tax for a shelf filling amount of storm troopers. people dont consider their army is like several dozen larger hobby purchases over time.
To be fair, SAP is an employee owned company and from what I hear, a really great place to work.
You work harder, company makes more money, YOU get paid more.
Depends what you do with your box. Ofc if you assemble in one night and don't paint them, you are going to feel like you got robbed. If you take 2 weeks to assemble, then 6 months to paint, then you have plenty of money to buy at least another box for the next 6 months.
Why is gunpla so much cheaper than most wargame models of similar sizes? MGs even have internal frames for articulation purposes, which would make it seem like they would be more expensive tbh
Really? So even building GW stuff can be more troublesome? I guess gunpla is also trying to appeal to children, so if you just wanna snap a kit together, but you can also take the extra effort of fixing seams, painting it etc. or even kitbashing stuff. Is kitbashing a thing with wargames?
I recently got back into gunpla and it's infinitely more enjoyable than GW shit. Plus your cool models aren't at the whim of some dipshit homosexual in Nottingham as to whether or not they're good. It's all up to how rad they are in the animes and they're always rad.
Picrel. I hope this gay homosexual homie gets stabbed by an Arab.
Generally yes and it's only become worse in recent years. "Elite" units now come in boxes of 5 for at least $50+tax, usually more. Tanks are now pushing $100. Troops squads, which used to come in boxes of 20 for some armies for $40 are now 8-10 for $60.
>"We copied an experiment done by Marks and Spencer back in the eighties. They put two baskets of cauliflower out, one priced reasonably, and the other one intentionally inflated. Guess what? The reasonably priced on was left full, while the premium priced one was emptied in minutes. We make a premium product, and we charge premium prices for it. We don't do sales because there's no reason to devalue out product. People will buy it regardless"
1. It's a box meant to be around 500 pts and decently playable in the boarding patrol game.
2. Maybe it's a reference of 9e competetive CSM lists where Regular Chaos space marines were overpriced so people just spammed Cultists
You're paying for the brand and to show other people you have [brand] products and you can afford them which makes you a burgeois and the envy of your surroundings
I have the STLs to every combat patrol GW is currently selling, and it costs me ~$1 a model to print. My FDM printer has totally enhanced my terrain collection as well.
I don’t work for GW, honestly man the files are shit
You don’t have outriders at all, the dkok guys look nothing like the gw stuff
I printed a dreadnought and it’s only been okay, I had to download it as a windup toy, then had to find files hidden to replace the key
And nobody openly shares shit not a good system imo
It’s only good if you’re unemployed hangout in discord all day hoarding files but even then they’re not good
7 months ago
Anonymous
I use my printers to print terrain and minis for my dnd players. and I did print tau and necron stuff, but at times I hate working with resin.
the support marks are ass and I have better things to do than clean up the marks with a resin/baby powder mix. and anything that's a bit more delicate like the shard of the void dragon proxy breaks so easily when removing the supports and I AM extremely careful. and if shit falls down it'd be a miracle if it doesn't break instantly.
plastic is a lot easier to clean up and I've dropped a lot of models and none of them broke.
so I've decided that I'll by the plastic for my main army and print the rest and only if it's a good model
The mrs spends more a month on hair colours than I spend on little plastic army mans. Paint what you've got, buy things when you've painted everything else. It slows the spend down and reduces your pile of shame.
Also play Necromunda or Blood Bowl. Necromunda is mostly terrain building. >BUH TERRAIN IS EXPENSIVE
You are everything that is wrong with the hobby.
Pic related is $500 +tx worth of minis + 20 more termagants, 1 prime, and 1 neurotyrant that I haven't built yet. Compared to different factions, this is metric frickton of models for the price. Granted, I bought the codex, index cards, brushes, paints, dice, painting holders, painting cup, basing grass, glue, and topcoat, so that's 500 for just plastic basically. You could probably have an army + paint for 500 if you just had two leviathan halves and one more combat patrol and that's it though.
500 bucks would get you not a lot for a good number of other factions. Feels like it's value boxes or nothing unless you're straight up rich or irresponsible.
I'll tell you why, and this came straight from one of the guys that worked at GW HQ for years in the administrative/marketing
GW intentionally makes their prices high for the same reason their reps will require a certain amount of floor space in a FLGS to be dedicated strictly to GW: "Elbow Room"- if they take up more space, that means there's less space for competitors' products.
It's the same idea, in a way, with the pricing- if they make the game costly, and keep pushing out new expensive shinies- well, most people can't actually afford to invest in another game. Most people don't have the income for another big war game if they've already bought into Warhammer/40k.
And then there's the other barriers AFTER you've bought in:
After you've sank all that money into Warhammer/40k, well- the competitor's game is different, you don't know the rules and aren't sure you'll like it. That's a lot to ask for another big war game, but if you play 40k- you practically know how to play AOS! >TL;DR: Games Workshop's pricing model is designed to drain your money so you can't put money into a competitor's product, and the 'investment' is so big that taking another plunge- even a cheaper one- is a risk, so if you're going to try a new war game it's more likely to be a GW game because it has familiar mechanics.
GW intentionally puts down obstacles to shake out the FNM crowd and other undesirables. The biggest obstacle is the hobby aspect, which basically filters out all of the people without long term planning, delayed gratification skills. Next is the pricing. Straight up, why would you charge six flags pricing when you can charge disneyland pricing?
Why the hell would you want the six flags crowd in your little store filled with valuables and no security??? You need a job to play 40k. You have to be well adjusted enough to buy all the stuff and paint it. Takes time and money which the obese guy who smells like shit at the 15 dollar FNM draft has neither of.
As an aside, what is the objective most expensive plastic faction to get into post leviathan? Is it always Guard??
>As an aside, what is the objective most expensive plastic faction to get into post leviathan? Is it always Guard??
I think it's admech somehow. They don't have old cheaper kits like IG do.
you can't tell me it's intentional when they still waste time marketing to children like they always have
plus if you think it's just the fnm crowd at stores that stink then the levels of cope and denial you're at are capable of warping your perceptions of the reality around you
Miniatures are not toys.
Pretty much every competitor is more expensive than GW.
[...] >Armies cost about $2000-2500
Absolutely untrue.
I have 2300 points of CSM, 800 points of Chaos Knights, 1200 point of Tyranids and 1100 points of Space Marines, a set of Terrain and a Kill Team all for under €1000.
>Pretty much every competitor is more expensive than GW.
lmao
The molding process is more expensive and its a niche hobby so they have smaller production runs
No it’s not
is that why recasters cost 1/5 of forge world or GW resin?
Well GW had to pay for the initial sculptor to design the model and pays for a mold. GW also has to pay for lazy, overpriced bongs to make the product in 'safe' conditions with 'safer' resins, and bong 'workdays' are like 2 hours with 3 different breaks.
Meanwhile, Chink and slavs run sweat shops with long work hours and the cheapest, most dangerous resin. That's why they are cheaper.
>3 different breaks
they take 15 min for a cuppa every hour
Industrial molds are more expensive than a mold you make in your basement. One of GW’s molds probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That being said their profit margin is probably still like 1500%
>That being said their profit margin is probably still like 1500%
No it isn't. They're a publicly traded company, you can go look at the numbers on revenue vs costs for yourself.
>durr if I steal something why is it cheaper than paying for it
>probably
so you've got no fricking idea then
the process of getting a sculpt to a mould was expensive a couple of decades or more ago, even then your decades out of date pricing has been hyperbolised by thousands of soi gw apologists playing chinese whispers
if it cost " hundreds of thousands of dollars" for a plastic injection mould why the frick is every tom dick and harry doing hard plastics?
think
Because absolute fricking oinker morons like are willing to pay these comically inflated prices and even make up excuses to defend them online.
James. Shouldn’t you be off counting your riches instead of embarrassing yourself on here. Bad enough you’re in every single 40kg thread .
Warhammer is specifically over priced because they know their fans will buy their stuff anyway. Other miniature games are much cheaper to run than warhammer, but because warhammer is the popular one, and people want to beable to play it, they also pick the popular one, because its a safe bet that there will be other people to play against.
Also people like it because it’s over priced
Armies cost about $2000-2500
In 5th edition circa 2006, when $20 bought you a squad of minis and maybe $150 -200 is all you needed to play the game nobody gave a fricking shit
Now that it’s money people want to be associated
>2000-2500
Hol shit anon you're so far off. Unless you're buying exclusively foreworld models, there no way you could get an army to cost that much, the range for price is 500-1000 US.
>500 US
How would you do that without going all in on buying 3 adpetus custodes combat patrols
Take advantage of limited bundles, two leviathan boxes before tax is $500 US and ~2000 points. You can trade/sell the half you don't want to get the full 2000 for nids or marines.
Forgot about that. Though this tactic only really works if you are a Space Marine fan since I doubt there will ever be a leviathan style box for the Tau or Imperial Guard. Atleast in the future no idea about any they got in the past.
My space marine army is nearing $2k
The only exclusives I have are: primaris company champion, imperium captain, Uriel ventress (the black library sculpt)
Everything else is an average character chaplain on bike, librarian in phobus armor etc
With bell blasters, incursors assault intercessors etc
My krieg army is already close to $500 and all it is right now is : 1 made to order commissar yarrick in resin, 2 boxes of plastic kill team kreig, and a few forge world heavy stubber teams
How many points is your space marine army? Obviously you can spend as much money as you want to make it as big as possible but the expectation is only ~2000 points worth. I have ~3000 in SM and just going off single unit MSRP it's around 1200-1400. Cost me less tho since a large amount of that is a combat patrol and the SM halves of indomitus and leviathan.
>kreig
Yeah kreig are going to be ludicrously expensive since all their stuff is foreworld beyond the the kill team kit.
Hard to say since everything is on magnets, but 2000 points if I make them all the most expensive unit choices I can
Less than 2k if I make them cheaper
Damn how'd you end up spending so much on it? Using a lot of forgeworld HH stuff? Or are you Australian lol
Therr's the holiday boxes too that are pretty good for starting armies, typically around 1000 points for $300 US.
Paint is definitely another expense, but you can get good bang for your buck using an airbrush, storage and transport just needs a big enough container and as much foam as you need which are pretty cheap online. Codexes/rules supplements are really only necessary if you want a physical copy, plenty of online resources to get the rules from like wahapedia which has just added the 10th ed rules and is working its way toward adding all the index stuff.
Nah I’m an American, I bought many imperium magazines, I probably have too many characters, I never buy boxes though.
I guess I also bought board games that’s what did me in. If I wanted like say a box of assault intercessors, I would buy a game that had 5 assault intercessors in it and 10 necron warriors
So that my wife would play games with me as a I built up the army.
I also have like $600 in space marine chibis (that I didn’t count in the original figure) bolt gun the game
Yeah board games are a pretty terrible value proposition if you're looking for just minis
$500 if you're running gray tide maybe. You can add another $100 easily if you want a proper paint job. Then storage and transportation, the codex itself, etc.
depends on the faction. Tyranids are supposed to be an expensive horde army, but you can build 2000 points for 400 bucks if you got a leviathan box with a friend and then a few of the big monsters.
My Chaos Knight army is
>Rampager: $185
>Abominant: $185
>Desecrator: $170
>Tyrant: $185
>10 war dogs: $450
So $1175, sans shit like paint and magnets, which probably costed me another $300+
: $130
: $130
: $130
: $130
>>10 war dogs: $330
$850
Thats my GW prices converted to burgerbucks, knock off another 10-15% if buying 3rd party
I actually ran the math and even buying every single tool paint and even terrain assuming you buy 2 combat patrols warhammer 40k is like 1000$ tops buying direct from GW
>2 combat patrols
>10th edition
I'm not even gonna be a dick, dude- 2 combat patrols is a nice start to a collection, but let's be real: If it's your first army and you're learning, that's fine. But we all know good and well that Warhammer 40k is designed to be played around 1500 points for all the armies to actually synergize and function as they're intended to.
Yes, you can notionally 'play' with less than that, but even though they don't flat-out say it- this is something that becomes obvious after just a bit of table-time.
>mfw
>Also people like it because it’s over priced
I used to think this would be a good thing and keep the disgusting useless eaters away from the wargame table, but then I realized that there are minimum-wagies in their late 30's that can't even afford the gas to get to work- and if there's a new Space War Toy on the shelf they want- they'll overdraft their account without hesitation just to get it, and call their mothers and beg for money.
I've seen this with my own eyes, in multiple locations, and I've worked at a FLGS.
It's a hobby which attracts the mentally ill and OCD sufferers. Their obsessiveness will make them always get the new shinies and nothing else in their life matters. It's the same with card games and other nerdy "expensive" hobbies.
I'm not going to lie, so full disclosure: About once every two months I'll buy a GW kit (I don't play 40k any more, I do play Necromunda- and I try to have one of every gang on hand with plenty of options so I can demo the game to people who are interested).
So I am, to some degree, guilty- but all my bills are paid, I've got money for all the things I need, some extra backup money- and I set myself a 'recreation budget'.
I just don't want to give the impression that I'm completely against buying GW stuff, because I'd by a hypocrite.
However, you're right. And in truth, I stopped worrying about FOMO. I ignored it. Nothing GW makes is going to be a limited-time-only except for a few single exceptions, it'll be around for decades. There's not a single GW model that has been released that I wanted and couldn't get YEARS afterward, except for those special release minis for the stores (and usually someone grabs one for me when they get one of their own, and I just pay them when I can).
Groveling and qualifying so that some anonymous third world highschooler who seethes that westerners can buy things will call you cool despite you being things is so much more pathetic than the wagies wasting their money on toys
>[worthless opinion of his betters]
If I wanted your opinion I would tell you what to say, that way I can be certain it has actual value.
>Detaching yourself from needing to CONSOOM is a blessing.
Damn right- and I think the worst is, the CONSOOMer is usually the one with a mountain of unpainted models that keeps heaping more on top of it. I've already made it a point to refuse to play with someone more than once if their models aren't painted, or at least some progress hasn't been made.
It's not that I care that much about painted models, but it incentivizes them to focus on the shit they've already bought instead of buying more shit-
And primarily because it makes metahomosexuals upset and butt-hurt, and the more they suffer the better the world is.
Anon, you didn't have to explain yourself to me, as long as the other parts of your life don't suffer because you indulge in plastic crack it is fine. I just wanted to say that there are obsessive people who can't budget their money properly and live for their corporation of choice. I play multiple cardgames myself and detaching yourself from needing to CONSOOM is a blessing.
>Other miniature games are much cheaper to run than warhammer
This used to be more true but I've noticed a trend in recent years of non-GW companies adopting similar prices to GW.
Miniatures are not toys.
Pretty much every competitor is more expensive than GW.
>Armies cost about $2000-2500
Absolutely untrue.
I have 2300 points of CSM, 800 points of Chaos Knights, 1200 point of Tyranids and 1100 points of Space Marines, a set of Terrain and a Kill Team all for under €1000.
>1. Yes they are
>2. No they aren’t
>3. No they didn’t
And now I’m done with you. You’re just a useless fat wanker with a big ol corporate dick in your mouth. Go away.
It's gatekeeping to keep poor people away from real gamers.
Not in the way you think
It's only gatekeeping sensible people, poorgays will overdraft their credit cards and literally go full drug addict and steal money to get their fix of plastic men.
But anon, overdrafting your credit card is how you prove you're not a poorgay.
t. Mr. Moneybags
define 'regular toys'
minis are pretty cheap now depending where you look, i saw 5 die cast minis for 5 bucks at dollarama. I think the 2 packs of official dnd resin minis can be found for 5-6 bucks.
small toys are usually from 1-5 dollars depending on the materials and detail. minis are usually more detailed than say, a mcdonalds happy meal toy.
theres also the fact that you are somewhat paying for raw material in the box, the sprue itself is a few extra ounces of plastic that isnt just free. for GUNPLA though there are high grade models that are less than 20 dollars, they are passing the savings of manufacturing the toy on to the consumer who gets added value from building and modeling their toy from "scratch"
just to go further with this, if you wanted to buy like 20 storm trooper action figures to army build they are like 30 USD now so you're looking at 600 dollars before tax for a shelf filling amount of storm troopers. people dont consider their army is like several dozen larger hobby purchases over time.
now go collect masterpiece transformers.
How the frick do people afford these games? I bought a box of gloom spite gitz for fun and i barely have 20% of the points i need for an army
Should poorgays even bother?
Play warcry, kill team, frostgrave, 9th age if you can find players, zombicide, and any ww2/historical game
40k, warmahordes, warmachine, and aos is for whales with unlimited money
To be fair, SAP is an employee owned company and from what I hear, a really great place to work.
You work harder, company makes more money, YOU get paid more.
post your forearm, fricker
I'm onto you
Buy used, magnetize, kitbash, recast anything forgeworld or finecast like sly Marbo don’t buy that from gw…. He’s resin anyways order that shot recast
Depends what you do with your box. Ofc if you assemble in one night and don't paint them, you are going to feel like you got robbed. If you take 2 weeks to assemble, then 6 months to paint, then you have plenty of money to buy at least another box for the next 6 months.
print shit
Niche market and so manufacturers bump up the prices to make every purchase count to maximize profit.
GW used to say it's because you also pay for the fluff of the minis.
Because the entire citizenry of the United Kingdom are jesters for the monarchy and some people get fooled by comedy.
Why is gunpla so much cheaper than most wargame models of similar sizes? MGs even have internal frames for articulation purposes, which would make it seem like they would be more expensive tbh
GW pushfit is also worse than the two decade old pushfit tech of bandai
Really? So even building GW stuff can be more troublesome? I guess gunpla is also trying to appeal to children, so if you just wanna snap a kit together, but you can also take the extra effort of fixing seams, painting it etc. or even kitbashing stuff. Is kitbashing a thing with wargames?
Yes, kit bashing is very popular in warhammer because most warhammer kits look fricking stupid.
Most people kit bash this squad because these are what the official models
Jews. Unironically
Japanese companies dont frick people over
>Japanese companies dont frick people over
No they do, just in different fields like vidya and DVDs
I recently got back into gunpla and it's infinitely more enjoyable than GW shit. Plus your cool models aren't at the whim of some dipshit homosexual in Nottingham as to whether or not they're good. It's all up to how rad they are in the animes and they're always rad.
Picrel. I hope this gay homosexual homie gets stabbed by an Arab.
Is there a connection between prices and how good a model is?
Generally yes and it's only become worse in recent years. "Elite" units now come in boxes of 5 for at least $50+tax, usually more. Tanks are now pushing $100. Troops squads, which used to come in boxes of 20 for some armies for $40 are now 8-10 for $60.
>"We copied an experiment done by Marks and Spencer back in the eighties. They put two baskets of cauliflower out, one priced reasonably, and the other one intentionally inflated. Guess what? The reasonably priced on was left full, while the premium priced one was emptied in minutes. We make a premium product, and we charge premium prices for it. We don't do sales because there's no reason to devalue out product. People will buy it regardless"
-Tom Kirby (I'm paraphrasing)
It's expensive because it can be.
Bros
>Abaddon
>5 Marines
>20 cultists
What the frick is that kit?
This. The fricking Warmaster of Chaos is rolling around with basic cultists? At least put some chaos terminators.
All combo boxes are inventory clearing. They pick whatever stuff they have too many of.
1. It's a box meant to be around 500 pts and decently playable in the boarding patrol game.
2. Maybe it's a reference of 9e competetive CSM lists where Regular Chaos space marines were overpriced so people just spammed Cultists
Because they are toys for adult children that have regular income
You're paying for the brand and to show other people you have [brand] products and you can afford them which makes you a burgeois and the envy of your surroundings
If you're playing tabletop wargames and don't have a 3D printer, you're doing it wrong.
Have AnyCubic and several prusas… you know what people who actually have 3d printers do? Not talk about 3d printers 24/7
They’re great for making shit around the house but not everything I own will be printed
Every single thing in my votann army is printed. I am closing in on 2k points. Just need some leaders printed. And its NOT weird 3rd party off models.
I have the STLs to every combat patrol GW is currently selling, and it costs me ~$1 a model to print. My FDM printer has totally enhanced my terrain collection as well.
No you don’t , you have some that look kinda sort like gw models
I’ve seen the files from the threads, nothing in there is true to form
Tell me your work for GW without telling me you work for GW.
I don’t work for GW, honestly man the files are shit
You don’t have outriders at all, the dkok guys look nothing like the gw stuff
I printed a dreadnought and it’s only been okay, I had to download it as a windup toy, then had to find files hidden to replace the key
And nobody openly shares shit not a good system imo
It’s only good if you’re unemployed hangout in discord all day hoarding files but even then they’re not good
I use my printers to print terrain and minis for my dnd players. and I did print tau and necron stuff, but at times I hate working with resin.
the support marks are ass and I have better things to do than clean up the marks with a resin/baby powder mix. and anything that's a bit more delicate like the shard of the void dragon proxy breaks so easily when removing the supports and I AM extremely careful. and if shit falls down it'd be a miracle if it doesn't break instantly.
plastic is a lot easier to clean up and I've dropped a lot of models and none of them broke.
so I've decided that I'll by the plastic for my main army and print the rest and only if it's a good model
3d printer people are like vegans. You never have to ask if they do it because they always insist in telling you first.
Wait, what about us buttholes who can't stop telling people about our regular bought armies. Shit help I dont want to be that guy.
The mrs spends more a month on hair colours than I spend on little plastic army mans. Paint what you've got, buy things when you've painted everything else. It slows the spend down and reduces your pile of shame.
Also play Necromunda or Blood Bowl. Necromunda is mostly terrain building.
>BUH TERRAIN IS EXPENSIVE
You are everything that is wrong with the hobby.
Because nerds are single STEM guys or dinks with lots of disposable income.
Bros should I pull the trigger?
Pic related is $500 +tx worth of minis + 20 more termagants, 1 prime, and 1 neurotyrant that I haven't built yet. Compared to different factions, this is metric frickton of models for the price. Granted, I bought the codex, index cards, brushes, paints, dice, painting holders, painting cup, basing grass, glue, and topcoat, so that's 500 for just plastic basically. You could probably have an army + paint for 500 if you just had two leviathan halves and one more combat patrol and that's it though.
500 bucks would get you not a lot for a good number of other factions. Feels like it's value boxes or nothing unless you're straight up rich or irresponsible.
I'll tell you why, and this came straight from one of the guys that worked at GW HQ for years in the administrative/marketing
GW intentionally makes their prices high for the same reason their reps will require a certain amount of floor space in a FLGS to be dedicated strictly to GW: "Elbow Room"- if they take up more space, that means there's less space for competitors' products.
It's the same idea, in a way, with the pricing- if they make the game costly, and keep pushing out new expensive shinies- well, most people can't actually afford to invest in another game. Most people don't have the income for another big war game if they've already bought into Warhammer/40k.
And then there's the other barriers AFTER you've bought in:
After you've sank all that money into Warhammer/40k, well- the competitor's game is different, you don't know the rules and aren't sure you'll like it. That's a lot to ask for another big war game, but if you play 40k- you practically know how to play AOS!
>TL;DR: Games Workshop's pricing model is designed to drain your money so you can't put money into a competitor's product, and the 'investment' is so big that taking another plunge- even a cheaper one- is a risk, so if you're going to try a new war game it's more likely to be a GW game because it has familiar mechanics.
30 year long market monopoly
thats about it
gw is ubiquitous but hardly a monopoly
Why is Kobe beef so expensive compared to disease-ridden african pork?
Because you will still buy them
GW intentionally puts down obstacles to shake out the FNM crowd and other undesirables. The biggest obstacle is the hobby aspect, which basically filters out all of the people without long term planning, delayed gratification skills. Next is the pricing. Straight up, why would you charge six flags pricing when you can charge disneyland pricing?
Why the hell would you want the six flags crowd in your little store filled with valuables and no security??? You need a job to play 40k. You have to be well adjusted enough to buy all the stuff and paint it. Takes time and money which the obese guy who smells like shit at the 15 dollar FNM draft has neither of.
As an aside, what is the objective most expensive plastic faction to get into post leviathan? Is it always Guard??
>As an aside, what is the objective most expensive plastic faction to get into post leviathan? Is it always Guard??
I think it's admech somehow. They don't have old cheaper kits like IG do.
you can't tell me it's intentional when they still waste time marketing to children like they always have
plus if you think it's just the fnm crowd at stores that stink then the levels of cope and denial you're at are capable of warping your perceptions of the reality around you
>Pretty much every competitor is more expensive than GW.
lmao
we truly are in a post-truth world
They're luxury goods for addicts, of course they're gonna be expensive.
Regular Toys have to be sold to children reliant on their parent's wallets. Miniatures can be sold to children who make their own money.
I got a month's worth of projects for less than £5 at the car boot sale
Ships for terrain, a cool hydra toy thing, and a Dalek that needs repairing
You should probably make 50k+ to play 40k in the US and have an apartment/car/bills covered.
I wouldnt reccomend anyone making 40k to play 40k
What bothered me was the price of the tools, like paint premium brushes. So I made my own.