abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?
for example mechanics like drive rush, burst, roman cancel, 66L, etc.
some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
why is this? why can't zoomers into footsies?
footsies are only interesting if you're already familiar with and know enough about that particular game
with that said when stripping games of footsies the seem extremely simplistic and turn into a clusterfrick so idk what the solution to it actual is, it probably lies in changing how movement in FGs work at a fundamental level
Not everything is following the trend. For example there's Rivals 2 coming next year.
yeah frick this man i'm going back to play ST and muh honest ground based footsies like Claw vs Dictator.
imagine accounting for the moves in a game like 66L and playing around that and learning. nah frick that man i'm just going to say it doesn't have footsies and protect my ego.
It's crazy how people would unironically believe this too when ST is a borderline kusoge by modern standards for all the stupid shit it has.
If ST released today everyone would fricking hate it and call it broken trash.
>samurai shodown will save fighting games
>dnf duel will save fighting games
>sf6 will save fighting games
>GBVSR will save fighting games
you are now here:
>tekken 8 will save fighting games
>dnf duel will save fighting games
said nobody ever
Yea no one said it, but I remembered back then prior to dnf launch people are hyping it up as arcsys's return to cuhrayzee anime fightan after releasing gbvs (yes there are still many normie morons who think dnf duel is an arcsys game)
>normie morons think dnf duel is an arcsys game
same thing happened to granblue versus, I had a friend who's not really into fighting games absolutely shook when I explained gbvs is closer to street fighter than guilty gear and he just said "but look at it", dnf duel isn't even similar to guilty gear but it gets lumped in.
people be like "Guilty gear, gbvs, dnf duel, uni, fighterZ, BlazBlue, p4a are all basically the same game" but somehow each street fighter is it's own universe
ArcSys name sells rather than saying 8ing. Same goes for French Bread.
how can you use a body pilliow with 2 characters on it? Am I missing something?
By having one on one side and one on the other side?
Also it's not really a daki but a miniature illustration.
Thanks anon. Sorry for my moronation
No problem. It's easy to assume you're looking at a daki at first glance because of the typical bed pose until you read that it's just the cover for the artbook.
It's actually just an art book.
I also thought it was a body pillow.
Wagner sexo
>abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?
>why is this? why can't zoomers into footsies?
homie you wut?
>tekken 8 will save fighting games
Fighting games are saved.
What game? I've been wanting to play more PvP games based around melee combat but I hate traditional FGs.
Looks like Naraka: Bladepoint, It's a battle royale.
Sane people don't like gameplay that exclusively involves rapidly wiggling a stick left and right while only pressing a button after 10 seconds.
What website is that? Maybe you should return there.
>twitter screencap
How do I Metera?
throw arrow from distabce
5U is unreactable
because it gets fricking boring designing the same mechanics over and over again
only one of the games you listed is not an anime fighter, that should answer your question
shut the frick up moron, you don't play
cope
I will never get used to lance having a dp now
>some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
>why is this?
Because normalgays b***h about Fighting Games and think they know what they want and then they don't play them. "Muh neutral, muh accurate hitboxes muh REAL FIGHTING GAME" and then THEY DON'T FRICKING PLAY THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T FRICKING LIKE FIGHTING GAMES THEY JUST LIKE PRETENDING THEY DO
Everyone likes being good at fighting games
Nobody likes what it takes to be good at fighting games
Any game that demands you spend dozens of hours in fricking practice mode just so you can control your character is awful. Smash bros boasts that it can be played with 3 buttons, but if you haven't mastered short hop and fast fall (which are relatively tight inputs, especially when compared to other game genres) you basically cannot play online. And even then, you are going to get obliterated by most people because you only possess the bare minimum skill.
StarCraft 2 doesn't require you to hit 300 APM to hit platinum. Fighting game do, in their equivalent
>dozens of hours in fricking practice mode just so you can control your character
Go on, prove me wrong. In lost games, basic character controls are taken care of in 1-2 levels, potentially 2 hours of gameplay at most (if you are a shitter who plays slow)
Most people are not able to execute a fighters full moveset, at will, after playing the game naturally for 2 hours. Hell, fighting game players dislike the concept of pressing a button to perform a combo, because most of the "skill" from the genre comes from being able to perform complex, rapid inputs
This is true for many other genres. You're really just not willing to put in the hours (anymore).
All 2D fightans control basically the same. It's really not that difficult.
it's still footsies moron
do you think a forward dash is a neutral skip lol
dash block is neutral skip
air dash is neutral skip
air block is neutral skip
no i refuse to elaborate
you don't need to, king
>air block is neutral skip
Agreed, this was the worst thing in Alpha 3
>some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
But nu-samsho is incredibly aggressive and gorilla oriented compared to the old games, gbvs is a moron game as well. Ignorant people like you are why the trend got worse.
>But nu-samsho is incredibly aggressive
Yeah, they literally put guard break in the game. I think something is wrong with OP's brain.
No one likes footsies
Everyone loves aping on their opponent
lol
lmao even
>the dickbox
KEK
It's a collisionbox, sometimes called a pushbox. It's basically the physical space the character occupies, when two collisionboxes make contact either tbe one moving forward pushes the other or they push against each other. It's what stops you from just walking through the opponent's character.
what is that dickbox
what is a 66L?
double forward light attack (square/X)
oh I see, so it was a direction like a numpad. thanks anon
footsies are fricking boring and a meme strat that cucks tricked themselves into thinking it's a legitimate thing to worry about
play a real competitive game if you disagree, not a fighting game
That is a lot of autism speech in one OP.
This. I have friends that are FGCgays and when they talk about their games it’s like listening to another language. Bro gets off work, sets his shit down, and hit the stick for hours until bed. Does it all over again the next day. Then years down the line his game is dropped and he picks up a new one. Same shit. Practicing the same motions for days and weeks on end. These people could be contributing to society with their autism.
>These people could be contributing to society with their autism.
they don't have autism, they have a fetish for rote repetition like robots
they are what in the industrial revolution would have been rote factory workers
they are what in WW1 and 2 as well as the wars before would have been the best and most loyal soldiers
they are what in medieval times and prior would have been the perfect farmers
they are what in the cavemen times would have been the perfect hunters
nothing new to figure out, nothing to actually use your brain on, just raw rote repetition and execution like a literal bot
Is 66L that bad? I honestly think it's easier to see or expect than DR. If a guy is dashing towards you, checking it with 2L is the sanest of options, beats throw attempts, 22L, DP bait, dashblock, etc.
>22L
Sorry, meant 66L
>Is 66L that bad?
It's the equivalent of SF6's Drive Impact, just faster and more mobile but without the slime and hyper armor
Legit people complain about wake up grab immunity but then don't just hit 2L -> grab instead if they block the 2L (and unless they're trying to wake up grab you, will. Because they have zero reason to even try to jab out w/o a H/U DP.). But people rather b***h and moan about all of this over the real issues like Nier having +55 frame advantage or Seig's 66M being a half screen trip with 3f start up.
Some characters have really huge 66Ls but they aren't that scary in neutral and can very easily be checked with simple jabs, they only make pressure situations fricked up by being very loopable. It's a problem after the opponent has gotten in, not before.
>smashtards show up and shit all over the thread
guess they live up to their name
pic unrelated?
Neutral skip is the silliest phrase coined in recent times.
>What's this? I don't get perfectly balanced neutral (has almost always been the case)? you're just skipping it!!! I ant to go first!!
>meanwhile, games usually have a good amount of tools to counter it like neutral (lmao) jump, early mash-out if the opponent is using it predictably, guard cancel if the game has it, parry if the game has it, spot dodge if the game has it.
It's yet another term for scrubby players to abuse when they feel inadequate
While I agree with you, the notable difference is that outside something like roll in CvS2, it was never a system mechanic that everyone abused the same way. This just makes it a bit dull, but I don't play new games much anyway.
it's the newest word that morons can use to pretend fighting games have depth when they haven't had any in 2 decades
I guess they finally realized that inputs have been nearly homogenized across characters since the mid 2010s and they can't complain about motions anymore unless they'd really expose themselves as people with learning disabilities or limp hands.
WE NEED TO HAVE ASSIST MECHANICS IN FIGHTING GAMES. WE JUST DO OK??
because neutral is for low IQ losers
Faster game gooder.
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what the frick is neutral skip?
an action that starts close-range pressure from mid-range or long-range
Vega's diving attack in Super Turbo.
Samsho has neutral skip?
?
Another problem with fighting games
>character has 100 moves
>only 30-40 are really strong and worth using, rest of the kit might as well not exist
The only character that doesn't have this that I've seen is Yoshimitsu from Tekken when you're encouraged to use his entire moveset or you're basically playing a drastically inferior version of other characters
But for others?
>oh you see this move bro it's shit never use it x50
That's not a problem. And also that's Tekken.
It is a problem and the reason why I will singlehandedly kill fighting games.
Wow, good job. You killed the only relevant 3D fighter.
What are you going to do about 2D fighters now, champ?
>fighting games
Your personal issue with fg is a personal issue with Tekken. And even that number is bloated due to contextual grabs, samples, and multi part moves/strings being counted separately. Name other fighting games with a move list that big.
People get gimmicked out by moves they've never seen before all the time in Tekken
has 100 moves
are you playing shit from the 90s? the reality now is more like
>character has 10 moves
>only 3-4 are really strong and worth using, rest of the kit might as well not exist
I find that's only a thing in 3D shit. oddly enough imo anime fightan has the highest tendency to make every button viable
That's why real gamers only play the most based character in fighting games
GBVSR is more footsies-focused than most modern games. Some characters are moronic but everyone has buttons designed to facilitate footsies, with big hurtboxes to counterhit and whiff punish. The game literally gives you more meter for walking than dashing because it wants you at footsies range threatening space instead of always going in like a gorilla
Not trying to defend the game too hard, I've been getting pissed off by the game's top tiers, but it does a lot more than average. You want a game that doesn't even try to encourage footsies, go look at Them's Fightin' Herds, genuinely atrocious hurtbox design
I do completely agree, but these homosexuals really need to tone down 66L.
First balance patch will determine if GBVS immediately dies or not really
If Nier and 66L don't get touched it's over since those are the bare minimum.
Nier is not getting touched, I think that's already confirmed.
However, adjustments for everything else is still possible.
>Nier is not getting touched, I think that's already confirmed.
???
mou owari da
nta but dude you are moronic
"fighting game players" be like
>fricking neutral skips in anime games
then boot up Street Fighter and spam full screen tatsu with ken
when do you think the first possible sale for the gbf fighting game will be? I think the game is fun but I'm not enough of a fighting game enthusiast to pay $50.
Didn't it take a while for the regular GBV to go on sale too? I mean yeah it was like 3 bucks and even became free at one point but still.
Probably a good while. Cygames doesn't seem to like to put their games on big discounts right after release.
Neutral skips have always existed, you guys just suck at fighting games.
>Neutral skips have always existed
It's true
>plus
>hard to sidestep
>you're forced into a 50/50
This. There is a reason why trashy games like Last Blade and Samsho were not popular in the slightest.
V was so fricking bad they had to hype it up somehow so now we have "They are playing le footsies". 6 is still garbage by the way.
Variety is the spice of life and SF, Samsho and LB offers none
>Last Blade
I love the game but Last Blade 2 is one of the most broken fighting games in existence. It has some incredible bullshit that fricks neutral in the ass.
imagine if fkhr and the anonymous cygames staff that really love SNK chose to make GBVS closer to SNK games than with what we got right now
What's the Bunny's reference?
Guess we just have to hope that they do something further in the future.
Mukuro's command dash might actually be a good example of the sort of neutral skip people would complain about if that game was released today
I don't even know what neutral is I just mash buttons
S++ is hell
I want s++ icon and wish I wasn't an S shitter
Why rupee gain is so slow in this game aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Never played a gacha huh? That's gud
Too bad anon, i'm played the browser game since the general was still included in mbgg
although i'm now just a seasonal player (i dont even read monthly event stories anymore). ANd i'm really glad cygames branched out more to console markets with their gacha IPs now.
The only cygames gacha i still played and read is Priconne
tekken's only neutral was korean backdash. T8 took that away and buffed forward movement. quit bringing up that baboon approved game
>Tekken 8 took out Korean Back-dash
Reminds me when Smash Bros. took out Wavedashing. Why do fighting games take out fun? Do they look at it as ironing out the kinks?
how the FRICK do I fight Zeta as Ferry? I can't use Geegee on her or the ranged whip grab at all because she just spams her instant full screen projectile at me if she's far away and if she's close range she's kicking my shit in with her mix ups and mobility options. It feels like she's just the absolute ultimate counter to Ferry.
Why is the rapist the most popular character?
Is he?
I've been hearing people complain about the flood of Niers/Siegs instead
Third Strike and it's characters were lightning in a bottle and it will never ever be replicated by any Company. Makoto is the miracle of the fighting game universe.
Because everyone plays ROOOSHdown characters, so they cater to that playstyle as hard as possible, to the point a long neutral game is treated as if its fricking widescreen zoning.
>why are modern fighting games abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?
YEOW
Reject modernity
Reject footsies
Return to basketball
IKUZO
IKUZO
IKUZO
HOKUTO UJO HARAN GEN
I'm not trapped in here with you
You're trapped in here with me
NOOOOOOOO DONT JAB ME TO DEATH
I have trouble quickly doing 66L on Granblue
Is that impossible on pad or what? Basically I see people comboing it off Charlotta's H version of the Sword Flurry, I know it can be done but I'm slow as hell
well, this game doesn't have a dash macro, right? You'll probably have to buffer that first 6 during the final frames of whatever special you're doing.
It does have a dash button but I'm still not fast enough
Plenty doable on pad, it's just annoying that you have to dash for a frame before you get a dash attack so you need to be deliberate with your timing on two actions instead of mashing it.
man
Sword flurry is +8
How tight is it?
66L is active on 8 and needs a frame to dash, so that shouldn't be possible to combo. Are you sure you aren't confusing it with something like f.M?
I've seen Charlottas do it. No idea how they do it tho. Thanks tho, if it's mathematically impossible then there's something else I'm missing
Actually I forgot that would make it a 1 frame link on crouch
I don't see the merit over f.M either way
DAMN then you can
>I don't see the merit
You start with a 66L combo again
>1f links in a baby game
picked up, we're finally back sf4bros
Wait is it because it's on crouch? So it's only possible on crouch? I'm new to fighting games I didn't know you get more hitstun when crutched
Depends on the game, some games have certain rules like 3S where crouching opponents take more damage on hit
It's not universal but a lot of games add 1 or 2 extra frames of hitstun if you're hit while crouching
Crouch confirms are usually not necessary, but they're a very satisfying and usually decently rewarding part of fighting game routing
>some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS
OG GBVS flopping had literally nothing to do with how it played and everything to do with releasing right when covid lockdowns happened and having shitty online. The way the game played was absolutely loved and had less complaints than GBVSR
I like Drive Rush
>neutral skip
are the zoomer redditors at it again to excuse why they're bad?
Calling 66L a neutral skip on the level of Drive Rushing or Roman Cancels is frankly disingenuous
You're right. It's much worse than DR
Explain your reasoning without sounding like a moron.
>2 months into the game and people are still complaining about Drive Rush
You guys know it's a noob tool right? How the frick are you still getting mad about it?
Man, learning a new character really helps with the burnout
>anime stuff
>66L
not anime, and will be patched next balance patch just like everything else everyone complained about in the betas. granblue is barely even an anime fighter