why are modern fighting games

abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?
for example mechanics like drive rush, burst, roman cancel, 66L, etc.
some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
why is this? why can't zoomers into footsies?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    footsies are only interesting if you're already familiar with and know enough about that particular game
    with that said when stripping games of footsies the seem extremely simplistic and turn into a clusterfrick so idk what the solution to it actual is, it probably lies in changing how movement in FGs work at a fundamental level

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not everything is following the trend. For example there's Rivals 2 coming next year.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah frick this man i'm going back to play ST and muh honest ground based footsies like Claw vs Dictator.
    imagine accounting for the moves in a game like 66L and playing around that and learning. nah frick that man i'm just going to say it doesn't have footsies and protect my ego.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's crazy how people would unironically believe this too when ST is a borderline kusoge by modern standards for all the stupid shit it has.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If ST released today everyone would fricking hate it and call it broken trash.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >samurai shodown will save fighting games
    >dnf duel will save fighting games
    >sf6 will save fighting games
    >GBVSR will save fighting games
    you are now here:
    >tekken 8 will save fighting games

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dnf duel will save fighting games
      said nobody ever

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yea no one said it, but I remembered back then prior to dnf launch people are hyping it up as arcsys's return to cuhrayzee anime fightan after releasing gbvs (yes there are still many normie morons who think dnf duel is an arcsys game)

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >normie morons think dnf duel is an arcsys game
          same thing happened to granblue versus, I had a friend who's not really into fighting games absolutely shook when I explained gbvs is closer to street fighter than guilty gear and he just said "but look at it", dnf duel isn't even similar to guilty gear but it gets lumped in.
          people be like "Guilty gear, gbvs, dnf duel, uni, fighterZ, BlazBlue, p4a are all basically the same game" but somehow each street fighter is it's own universe

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          ArcSys name sells rather than saying 8ing. Same goes for French Bread.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            how can you use a body pilliow with 2 characters on it? Am I missing something?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              By having one on one side and one on the other side?

              Also it's not really a daki but a miniature illustration.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks anon. Sorry for my moronation

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No problem. It's easy to assume you're looking at a daki at first glance because of the typical bed pose until you read that it's just the cover for the artbook.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's actually just an art book.
              I also thought it was a body pillow.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wagner sexo

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?
      >why is this? why can't zoomers into footsies?
      homie you wut?

      >tekken 8 will save fighting games
      Fighting games are saved.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What game? I've been wanting to play more PvP games based around melee combat but I hate traditional FGs.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like Naraka: Bladepoint, It's a battle royale.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sane people don't like gameplay that exclusively involves rapidly wiggling a stick left and right while only pressing a button after 10 seconds.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What website is that? Maybe you should return there.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >twitter screencap

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do I Metera?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      throw arrow from distabce

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      5U is unreactable

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    because it gets fricking boring designing the same mechanics over and over again

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    only one of the games you listed is not an anime fighter, that should answer your question

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    shut the frick up moron, you don't play

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      cope

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will never get used to lance having a dp now

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
    >why is this?

    Because normalgays b***h about Fighting Games and think they know what they want and then they don't play them. "Muh neutral, muh accurate hitboxes muh REAL FIGHTING GAME" and then THEY DON'T FRICKING PLAY THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T FRICKING LIKE FIGHTING GAMES THEY JUST LIKE PRETENDING THEY DO

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone likes being good at fighting games
      Nobody likes what it takes to be good at fighting games

      Any game that demands you spend dozens of hours in fricking practice mode just so you can control your character is awful. Smash bros boasts that it can be played with 3 buttons, but if you haven't mastered short hop and fast fall (which are relatively tight inputs, especially when compared to other game genres) you basically cannot play online. And even then, you are going to get obliterated by most people because you only possess the bare minimum skill.

      StarCraft 2 doesn't require you to hit 300 APM to hit platinum. Fighting game do, in their equivalent

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dozens of hours in fricking practice mode just so you can control your character

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Go on, prove me wrong. In lost games, basic character controls are taken care of in 1-2 levels, potentially 2 hours of gameplay at most (if you are a shitter who plays slow)

          Most people are not able to execute a fighters full moveset, at will, after playing the game naturally for 2 hours. Hell, fighting game players dislike the concept of pressing a button to perform a combo, because most of the "skill" from the genre comes from being able to perform complex, rapid inputs

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is true for many other genres. You're really just not willing to put in the hours (anymore).
            All 2D fightans control basically the same. It's really not that difficult.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's still footsies moron
    do you think a forward dash is a neutral skip lol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      dash block is neutral skip
      air dash is neutral skip
      air block is neutral skip
      no i refuse to elaborate

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you don't need to, king

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >air block is neutral skip
        Agreed, this was the worst thing in Alpha 3

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS or Samurai Shodown)
    But nu-samsho is incredibly aggressive and gorilla oriented compared to the old games, gbvs is a moron game as well. Ignorant people like you are why the trend got worse.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >But nu-samsho is incredibly aggressive
      Yeah, they literally put guard break in the game. I think something is wrong with OP's brain.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one likes footsies
    Everyone loves aping on their opponent

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol

    lmao even

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the dickbox
      KEK

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        what is that dickbox

        It's a collisionbox, sometimes called a pushbox. It's basically the physical space the character occupies, when two collisionboxes make contact either tbe one moving forward pushes the other or they push against each other. It's what stops you from just walking through the opponent's character.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      what is that dickbox

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    what is a 66L?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      double forward light attack (square/X)

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh I see, so it was a direction like a numpad. thanks anon

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    footsies are fricking boring and a meme strat that cucks tricked themselves into thinking it's a legitimate thing to worry about
    play a real competitive game if you disagree, not a fighting game

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That is a lot of autism speech in one OP.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. I have friends that are FGCgays and when they talk about their games it’s like listening to another language. Bro gets off work, sets his shit down, and hit the stick for hours until bed. Does it all over again the next day. Then years down the line his game is dropped and he picks up a new one. Same shit. Practicing the same motions for days and weeks on end. These people could be contributing to society with their autism.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >These people could be contributing to society with their autism.
        they don't have autism, they have a fetish for rote repetition like robots
        they are what in the industrial revolution would have been rote factory workers
        they are what in WW1 and 2 as well as the wars before would have been the best and most loyal soldiers
        they are what in medieval times and prior would have been the perfect farmers
        they are what in the cavemen times would have been the perfect hunters
        nothing new to figure out, nothing to actually use your brain on, just raw rote repetition and execution like a literal bot

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is 66L that bad? I honestly think it's easier to see or expect than DR. If a guy is dashing towards you, checking it with 2L is the sanest of options, beats throw attempts, 22L, DP bait, dashblock, etc.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >22L
      Sorry, meant 66L

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is 66L that bad?
      It's the equivalent of SF6's Drive Impact, just faster and more mobile but without the slime and hyper armor

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Legit people complain about wake up grab immunity but then don't just hit 2L -> grab instead if they block the 2L (and unless they're trying to wake up grab you, will. Because they have zero reason to even try to jab out w/o a H/U DP.). But people rather b***h and moan about all of this over the real issues like Nier having +55 frame advantage or Seig's 66M being a half screen trip with 3f start up.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some characters have really huge 66Ls but they aren't that scary in neutral and can very easily be checked with simple jabs, they only make pressure situations fricked up by being very loopable. It's a problem after the opponent has gotten in, not before.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >smashtards show up and shit all over the thread
    guess they live up to their name

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    pic unrelated?

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neutral skip is the silliest phrase coined in recent times.

    >What's this? I don't get perfectly balanced neutral (has almost always been the case)? you're just skipping it!!! I ant to go first!!
    >meanwhile, games usually have a good amount of tools to counter it like neutral (lmao) jump, early mash-out if the opponent is using it predictably, guard cancel if the game has it, parry if the game has it, spot dodge if the game has it.

    It's yet another term for scrubby players to abuse when they feel inadequate

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      While I agree with you, the notable difference is that outside something like roll in CvS2, it was never a system mechanic that everyone abused the same way. This just makes it a bit dull, but I don't play new games much anyway.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's the newest word that morons can use to pretend fighting games have depth when they haven't had any in 2 decades

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I guess they finally realized that inputs have been nearly homogenized across characters since the mid 2010s and they can't complain about motions anymore unless they'd really expose themselves as people with learning disabilities or limp hands.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    WE NEED TO HAVE ASSIST MECHANICS IN FIGHTING GAMES. WE JUST DO OK??

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    because neutral is for low IQ losers

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Faster game gooder.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=157

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick is neutral skip?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      an action that starts close-range pressure from mid-range or long-range

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vega's diving attack in Super Turbo.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Samsho has neutral skip?

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another problem with fighting games
    >character has 100 moves
    >only 30-40 are really strong and worth using, rest of the kit might as well not exist
    The only character that doesn't have this that I've seen is Yoshimitsu from Tekken when you're encouraged to use his entire moveset or you're basically playing a drastically inferior version of other characters
    But for others?
    >oh you see this move bro it's shit never use it x50

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a problem. And also that's Tekken.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is a problem and the reason why I will singlehandedly kill fighting games.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wow, good job. You killed the only relevant 3D fighter.
          What are you going to do about 2D fighters now, champ?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fighting games
          Your personal issue with fg is a personal issue with Tekken. And even that number is bloated due to contextual grabs, samples, and multi part moves/strings being counted separately. Name other fighting games with a move list that big.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      People get gimmicked out by moves they've never seen before all the time in Tekken

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      has 100 moves
      are you playing shit from the 90s? the reality now is more like
      >character has 10 moves
      >only 3-4 are really strong and worth using, rest of the kit might as well not exist

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I find that's only a thing in 3D shit. oddly enough imo anime fightan has the highest tendency to make every button viable

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why real gamers only play the most based character in fighting games

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    GBVSR is more footsies-focused than most modern games. Some characters are moronic but everyone has buttons designed to facilitate footsies, with big hurtboxes to counterhit and whiff punish. The game literally gives you more meter for walking than dashing because it wants you at footsies range threatening space instead of always going in like a gorilla
    Not trying to defend the game too hard, I've been getting pissed off by the game's top tiers, but it does a lot more than average. You want a game that doesn't even try to encourage footsies, go look at Them's Fightin' Herds, genuinely atrocious hurtbox design

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do completely agree, but these homosexuals really need to tone down 66L.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        First balance patch will determine if GBVS immediately dies or not really
        If Nier and 66L don't get touched it's over since those are the bare minimum.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nier is not getting touched, I think that's already confirmed.
          However, adjustments for everything else is still possible.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nier is not getting touched, I think that's already confirmed.
            ???

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous
              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                mou owari da

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta but dude you are moronic

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    "fighting game players" be like
    >fricking neutral skips in anime games
    then boot up Street Fighter and spam full screen tatsu with ken

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    when do you think the first possible sale for the gbf fighting game will be? I think the game is fun but I'm not enough of a fighting game enthusiast to pay $50.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't it take a while for the regular GBV to go on sale too? I mean yeah it was like 3 bucks and even became free at one point but still.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably a good while. Cygames doesn't seem to like to put their games on big discounts right after release.

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neutral skips have always existed, you guys just suck at fighting games.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Neutral skips have always existed
      It's true
      >plus
      >hard to sidestep
      >you're forced into a 50/50

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. There is a reason why trashy games like Last Blade and Samsho were not popular in the slightest.

        V was so fricking bad they had to hype it up somehow so now we have "They are playing le footsies". 6 is still garbage by the way.

        Variety is the spice of life and SF, Samsho and LB offers none

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Last Blade
          I love the game but Last Blade 2 is one of the most broken fighting games in existence. It has some incredible bullshit that fricks neutral in the ass.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            imagine if fkhr and the anonymous cygames staff that really love SNK chose to make GBVS closer to SNK games than with what we got right now

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous
              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's the Bunny's reference?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Guess we just have to hope that they do something further in the future.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mukuro's command dash might actually be a good example of the sort of neutral skip people would complain about if that game was released today

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even know what neutral is I just mash buttons

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    S++ is hell

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I want s++ icon and wish I wasn't an S shitter

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why rupee gain is so slow in this game aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Never played a gacha huh? That's gud

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad anon, i'm played the browser game since the general was still included in mbgg

        although i'm now just a seasonal player (i dont even read monthly event stories anymore). ANd i'm really glad cygames branched out more to console markets with their gacha IPs now.

        The only cygames gacha i still played and read is Priconne

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    tekken's only neutral was korean backdash. T8 took that away and buffed forward movement. quit bringing up that baboon approved game

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Tekken 8 took out Korean Back-dash
      Reminds me when Smash Bros. took out Wavedashing. Why do fighting games take out fun? Do they look at it as ironing out the kinks?

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    how the FRICK do I fight Zeta as Ferry? I can't use Geegee on her or the ranged whip grab at all because she just spams her instant full screen projectile at me if she's far away and if she's close range she's kicking my shit in with her mix ups and mobility options. It feels like she's just the absolute ultimate counter to Ferry.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the rapist the most popular character?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is he?
      I've been hearing people complain about the flood of Niers/Siegs instead

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Third Strike and it's characters were lightning in a bottle and it will never ever be replicated by any Company. Makoto is the miracle of the fighting game universe.

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because everyone plays ROOOSHdown characters, so they cater to that playstyle as hard as possible, to the point a long neutral game is treated as if its fricking widescreen zoning.

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why are modern fighting games abandoning ground based footsies for anime stuff like neutral skip?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      YEOW

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous
  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reject modernity
    Reject footsies
    Return to basketball

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      IKUZO
      IKUZO
      IKUZO
      HOKUTO UJO HARAN GEN

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not trapped in here with you
        You're trapped in here with me

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          NOOOOOOOO DONT JAB ME TO DEATH

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have trouble quickly doing 66L on Granblue
    Is that impossible on pad or what? Basically I see people comboing it off Charlotta's H version of the Sword Flurry, I know it can be done but I'm slow as hell

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      well, this game doesn't have a dash macro, right? You'll probably have to buffer that first 6 during the final frames of whatever special you're doing.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It does have a dash button but I'm still not fast enough

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Plenty doable on pad, it's just annoying that you have to dash for a frame before you get a dash attack so you need to be deliberate with your timing on two actions instead of mashing it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        man
        Sword flurry is +8
        How tight is it?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          66L is active on 8 and needs a frame to dash, so that shouldn't be possible to combo. Are you sure you aren't confusing it with something like f.M?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've seen Charlottas do it. No idea how they do it tho. Thanks tho, if it's mathematically impossible then there's something else I'm missing

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          66L is active on 8 and needs a frame to dash, so that shouldn't be possible to combo. Are you sure you aren't confusing it with something like f.M?

          Actually I forgot that would make it a 1 frame link on crouch
          I don't see the merit over f.M either way

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            DAMN then you can
            >I don't see the merit
            You start with a 66L combo again

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1f links in a baby game
            picked up, we're finally back sf4bros

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wait is it because it's on crouch? So it's only possible on crouch? I'm new to fighting games I didn't know you get more hitstun when crutched

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Depends on the game, some games have certain rules like 3S where crouching opponents take more damage on hit

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's not universal but a lot of games add 1 or 2 extra frames of hitstun if you're hit while crouching

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Crouch confirms are usually not necessary, but they're a very satisfying and usually decently rewarding part of fighting game routing

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >some games tried to fight this trend, but they flopped(OG GBVS

    OG GBVS flopping had literally nothing to do with how it played and everything to do with releasing right when covid lockdowns happened and having shitty online. The way the game played was absolutely loved and had less complaints than GBVSR

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like Drive Rush

  49. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >neutral skip
    are the zoomer redditors at it again to excuse why they're bad?

  50. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Calling 66L a neutral skip on the level of Drive Rushing or Roman Cancels is frankly disingenuous

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're right. It's much worse than DR

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Explain your reasoning without sounding like a moron.

  51. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >2 months into the game and people are still complaining about Drive Rush
    You guys know it's a noob tool right? How the frick are you still getting mad about it?

  52. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Man, learning a new character really helps with the burnout

  53. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >anime stuff
    >66L
    not anime, and will be patched next balance patch just like everything else everyone complained about in the betas. granblue is barely even an anime fighter

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