Chinkheld companies litterally don't think, they just add higher spec components and new features without changing the overall form factor of the device. Valve spent millions on R&D to design every aspect of the deck to ensure maximum performance and usability. Two key components of the Steam Deck are the novel side-by-side button/stick layout with large trackpads underneath to ensure seamless and comfortable transition between inputs, and the 720p/800p screen which is the perfect compromise for a handheld because less pixels need to be rendered for a sharp image, which means better battery life and improved performance.
>and the 720p/800p screen which is the perfect compromise for a handheld because less pixels need to be rendered for a sharp image
Screen is off-shelf component though
They just bought some discontinued tablet LCD screens for cheap, main factor was likely just "fitting in" and being cheap to push price as low as possible(to make it mainstream instead of niche)
1080p screens are unironically cheaper than 720p screens because that resolution became the standard for even budget devices, so almost no one manufactures 720p panels any more.
It doesn't copy the Switch layout, it copies the X-Box layout which has the dpad and r-stick inset, it's pretty comfortable. The trackpads that low are pretty unusable, at least for FPS games. They'll be okayish for windows navigation and RTS games. Overall 6/10 use of trackpads.
I never use the switch as a handheld for this very reason. Unergonomic trash. The size is already well beyond pocket portable. Is sacrificing screen size or simply making the grips bigger too much to ask?
>The size is already well beyond pocket portable.
Are you fat? I can fit a switch in the front pockets of my jeans. Screen in one pocket, joycons in the other.
This. Astronomical price aside the ergonomics look awful, especially those trackpad placements, it's like they just threw them on there to say they have trackpads. And the other thing the deck got right that none of these other devices do is the pick up and play convenience of a console that windows just doesn't have.
People don't bring up the steam deck's sleep mode enough. I can put my deck to sleep at like 90% charge and then boot it up two days later and it'll be at like 84%. That's nuts and makes pick-up-and-play so much more feasible.
>it's like they just threw them on there to say they have trackpads.
This isn't the "look we have trackpads" handheld, you're thinking of the other AYANEO from two months back with that tiny square trackpad. I'd hate to be the sap that donated to that model. This one's a bit better, but there is always another around the corner, they are getting desperate trying to appeal to someone, probably getting middling 4 digit pre-orders for each model, and it isn't sustainable unless they're constantly announcing more. Valve can just coast on the Steam Deck for years and focus on tweaking the performance through software since they get their money from steam sales.
I can already see someone buying it just for the 'unny on 'un posting.
Sure, at $400 and with Linux. The latter is never happening until gnutards realize it's not a good idea to let SteamOS be the single handheld Linux solution and start a hardware agnostic distro with all the whistles. And that d-pad looks rough.
>it's not a good idea to let SteamOS be the single handheld Linux solution
Or maybe handheld makers should provide a steamos-like experience instead of putting a screen on x360 controllers and pretending players will never have to press ctrl-alt-del to quit a soft locked game
They should, but they won't and we all know it. Not only this would revitalize tons of UMPCs in the wild, gnutards should consider the possibility of things going south with Valve eventually.
I use the Steam Deck shortcuts a ton, particularly the force shutdown, keyboard, and screen shot functions. Do other handhelds really not have an equivalent?
What we really wanted was something that competes with the base deck. The trend has been that morons initially drove up 512gb model sales, but now the 64gb model is far more popular. When we see the Deck regularly sold for $300 sales you can bet they'll break 4m.
In order to get my money, an umpc needs 4 of the following:
>Series S ballpark performance >Better battery life than a Steam Deck >Trackpads >Lighter than a Deck
I will happily wait with my Deck until Z2 extreme achieves this.
>8.4 inch too big for 1080p won't reach retina level pixels per inch 6-7 inch are good size for 1080p >circle trackpads instead of square, rectangle or squircle >75 whr sure better than steam kek's 40 WHR almost double the size
Problem with Aya was always the timing of their launch hardware always 6 months to 1 year away by that new hardware will be better than the cool designed umpc example I wanted aya slide by this time yet no release too late
I want aya neo slide with PSP design with all the new specs chinks don't want to touch em while I'm at it allow the umpc to be dockable to detachable keyboard so it can act like Microsoft surface laptop
75wh battery and most likely a 12 core RDNA3 iGPU. You'll get the same battery life at 30w TDP then the Deck gets at 15w. You get the same battery life on it at 20w TDP then the deck gets at 10w. That is pretty great for a handheld, shame it's from China.
I thought the Air was a clever idea, take the two biggest reasons someone might pass on the Deck, large size and screen quality and release a compact OLED handheld. If there was a mainstream device with those features I would probably own it instead of or at least alongside my Deck.
You realize Steam Deck is also made in china
Only issue are quality control and refund issues
>Is this a deck killer?
If it costs around the same price of a Deck it probably stands a chance, but face it: there is no company on Earth that can launch on the market a handheld like the Deck at the price of a Deck with the availability of the deck. Well, actually Microsoft has the resources to shit out a windows handheld and sell it at a slight loss to push their store or whatever, but that would need Microsoft to pull its head out of its ass, and we all know that's just not gonna happen.
Deck's availability really isn't all that much better than chinkshit given their limited country coverage and resistance to purchases made on VPN. And Microsoft would only ever join this fray to extinguish the market, you don't want that.
Microsoft already gets flak for imposing on devs to code a Series S version of their games, the idea of forcing them to code a third version for an xbox handheld is simply untenable. No, you can't just put a series S internals into a handheld form factor, that thing has a power draw of like 75 watts during gaming, no reasonably sized handheld's battery is gonna support more than 20 minutes of gaming. Microsoft's solution to handheld gaming is streaming to cellphones with gamepass ultimate, which is objectively worse than gaming natively, but it's something.
Sony is actually in the best position to make a standalone handheld, but they're clearly not interested if that Project Q announcement is any indication. Maybe Sony's next gen will be a hybrid styled console.
Rog Ally is sold in my local store, I can return it if I don't like it. I can demand refund if it breaks, I get access to RMA and frequent updates.
Something AliExpress product will be able of doing.
>Might as well get a gaming laptop at that point.
Unless you can pick up your laptop and use it as a handheld they don't really compete. Most people who play big handhelds do it because they enjoy gaming on a device where the screen is in your hands not because they take it out of the house.
I really hope playstation comes up with a portable soon and then we just crack thats firmware and get a legit good handheld instead of this Linux bullshit
75wh battery and most likely a 12 core RDNA3 iGPU. You'll get the same battery life at 30w TDP then the Deck gets at 15w. You get the same battery life on it at 20w TDP then the deck gets at 10w. That is pretty great for a handheld, shame it's from China.
I thought the Air was a clever idea, take the two biggest reasons someone might pass on the Deck, large size and screen quality and release a compact OLED handheld. If there was a mainstream device with those features I would probably own it instead of or at least alongside my Deck.
>ayaneo
Chink shit company that lied about handheld release just to kill sales of competitor
Almost year later announced downgraded soc and higher price
Also no support for released handhelds
Just don't bother and buy Steam Deck
I'm glad handheld PCs are finally getting the Handheld Android treatment so that there's a flood of different products with dumb names that are all better and shittier than each other in ways that trigger autism.
Rog ally is sold in my local store, I can return it if I don't like it. I can demand refund if it breaks, I get access to RMA and frequent updates.
Something AliExpress product will be able of doing.
The Ally has invalidated all of these chink handhelds in terms of price, performance and support. As trash as Asus has been lately, their support is much better than Aya,Onex and GPD. If you aren't into windows handhelds, the Deck is the other best option. I say this as someone with a Deck, an Ally and an Aya Neo Next.
They're never cheaper. The Deck and Ally have killed x86 chink handhelds. They'll all need to go back to making Android emulation handhelds. The competition there is even more brutal.
>ayaneo
Chink shit company that lied about handheld release just to kill sales of competitor
Almost year later announced downgraded soc and higher price
Also no support for released handhelds
Just don't bother and buy Steam Deck
>nice shiny metal on top
good >stolen start and select off of steam deck
good >touchpads
good >rgb sticks
trash >random ass new dpad instead of something they've known people like
trash >probably 10x more than a Deck >0 support because it's chink shit and there's a new one every year >wangblows
horrible
Nah, they know the market unlike Asus who just joined, they won't do something as stupid as presenting themselves as the Deck killer based entirely on shipping with Windows and having a connector to an external fricking GPU.
why would they bother with marketing WHEN YOU CANT BUY THEIR PRODUCT IN ANY STORE, im blown away when steamies say "this will expand the user base" when all they are doing is selling the steam deck TO the steam userbase
It just confirms to me that the steam deck is just a fun hardware project for them that wont get a refresh like the index.
No thanks, I'm waiting for something with a bit better specs and better battery in gdpwin4 form factor. Just so I can play mmos in bed and tell morons to ccpls
>the solution is to turn the fan at max at all times
surely nothing can go wrong this time? Funny how none of the shill reviewers had this issue even though they said they had plenty of playtime...
It feels like there's one of these chink things coming out every other week. I'll give this one props for having trackpads, though it looks like they might be too low on the device to allow comfortable shoulder button and trigger usage while having your thumb in comfortable reach of the trackpad as well. It's probably going to be expensive as frick as well.
I'll wait until there's a new Deck out or something, at least I'll know that thing has some proper thought put into its design and that it gets actual software support.
>It feels like there's one of these chink things coming out every other week.
Ayaneo has announced like 13 different handhelds slated for 2023. They survive purely on fomo and indigogo donos,
It feels like there's one of these chink things coming out every other week. I'll give this one props for having trackpads, though it looks like they might be too low on the device to allow comfortable shoulder button and trigger usage while having your thumb in comfortable reach of the trackpad as well. It's probably going to be expensive as frick as well.
I'll wait until there's a new Deck out or something, at least I'll know that thing has some proper thought put into its design and that it gets actual software support.
What kind of a name is that? >Can't wait to play with my Kun >I've got greasy smears on my Kun >My Kun has a matte finish >I'm going to fill up my Kun >I'm running out of space in my Kun >Hope I don't get a virus on my Kun >I take my Kun out in public all the time >When I play with my Kun too hard it starts to smell >I told my nephew not to touch my Kun without permission
>trackpads
>more powerful
>more battery
isn't this everything (you) wanted?
Okay but
>$1200 minimum
Lol. When will they learn.
>isn't this everything (you) wanted?
Chinks insist on copying the switch layout. They're moronic.
sad but true, idk what they're thinking with this. makes the whole thing unusable and nullifies the benefits of actually having trackpads
Chinkheld companies litterally don't think, they just add higher spec components and new features without changing the overall form factor of the device. Valve spent millions on R&D to design every aspect of the deck to ensure maximum performance and usability. Two key components of the Steam Deck are the novel side-by-side button/stick layout with large trackpads underneath to ensure seamless and comfortable transition between inputs, and the 720p/800p screen which is the perfect compromise for a handheld because less pixels need to be rendered for a sharp image, which means better battery life and improved performance.
>and the 720p/800p screen which is the perfect compromise for a handheld because less pixels need to be rendered for a sharp image
Screen is off-shelf component though
They just bought some discontinued tablet LCD screens for cheap, main factor was likely just "fitting in" and being cheap to push price as low as possible(to make it mainstream instead of niche)
1080p screens are unironically cheaper than 720p screens because that resolution became the standard for even budget devices, so almost no one manufactures 720p panels any more.
It doesn't copy the Switch layout, it copies the X-Box layout which has the dpad and r-stick inset, it's pretty comfortable. The trackpads that low are pretty unusable, at least for FPS games. They'll be okayish for windows navigation and RTS games. Overall 6/10 use of trackpads.
I never use the switch as a handheld for this very reason. Unergonomic trash. The size is already well beyond pocket portable. Is sacrificing screen size or simply making the grips bigger too much to ask?
>The size is already well beyond pocket portable.
Are you fat? I can fit a switch in the front pockets of my jeans. Screen in one pocket, joycons in the other.
No, which is probably why it won't fit in my pocket.
Cool bait bro. Would be a shame if someone pointed out it was bait.
This. Astronomical price aside the ergonomics look awful, especially those trackpad placements, it's like they just threw them on there to say they have trackpads. And the other thing the deck got right that none of these other devices do is the pick up and play convenience of a console that windows just doesn't have.
People don't bring up the steam deck's sleep mode enough. I can put my deck to sleep at like 90% charge and then boot it up two days later and it'll be at like 84%. That's nuts and makes pick-up-and-play so much more feasible.
>it's like they just threw them on there to say they have trackpads.
This isn't the "look we have trackpads" handheld, you're thinking of the other AYANEO from two months back with that tiny square trackpad. I'd hate to be the sap that donated to that model. This one's a bit better, but there is always another around the corner, they are getting desperate trying to appeal to someone, probably getting middling 4 digit pre-orders for each model, and it isn't sustainable unless they're constantly announcing more. Valve can just coast on the Steam Deck for years and focus on tweaking the performance through software since they get their money from steam sales.
It is, but it probably costs 1500$ and runs windows.
might as well buy a desktop, stream it to a deck and still have money to spare at that point.
I can already see someone buying it just for the 'unny on 'un posting.
Sure, at $400 and with Linux. The latter is never happening until gnutards realize it's not a good idea to let SteamOS be the single handheld Linux solution and start a hardware agnostic distro with all the whistles. And that d-pad looks rough.
>it's not a good idea to let SteamOS be the single handheld Linux solution
Or maybe handheld makers should provide a steamos-like experience instead of putting a screen on x360 controllers and pretending players will never have to press ctrl-alt-del to quit a soft locked game
They should, but they won't and we all know it. Not only this would revitalize tons of UMPCs in the wild, gnutards should consider the possibility of things going south with Valve eventually.
I use the Steam Deck shortcuts a ton, particularly the force shutdown, keyboard, and screen shot functions. Do other handhelds really not have an equivalent?
for ten times the price, it is
>windows
Nope. Into the trash it goes
What we really wanted was something that competes with the base deck. The trend has been that morons initially drove up 512gb model sales, but now the 64gb model is far more popular. When we see the Deck regularly sold for $300 sales you can bet they'll break 4m.
In order to get my money, an umpc needs 4 of the following:
>Series S ballpark performance
>Better battery life than a Steam Deck
>Trackpads
>Lighter than a Deck
I will happily wait with my Deck until Z2 extreme achieves this.
>Z2
Unless amd actually plans to develop dedicated handheld chips (like one in deck) this naming is a bit confusing
Nah, their Z lineup is specifically for UMPCs.
>8.4 inch too big for 1080p won't reach retina level pixels per inch 6-7 inch are good size for 1080p
>circle trackpads instead of square, rectangle or squircle
>75 whr sure better than steam kek's 40 WHR almost double the size
Problem with Aya was always the timing of their launch hardware always 6 months to 1 year away by that new hardware will be better than the cool designed umpc example I wanted aya slide by this time yet no release too late
I want aya neo slide with PSP design with all the new specs chinks don't want to touch em while I'm at it allow the umpc to be dockable to detachable keyboard so it can act like Microsoft surface laptop
You realize Steam Deck is also made in china
Only issue are quality control and refund issues
What's there to talk about?
It's like asking why nobody is talking about hp omen 45l the lenovo legion 7 killer
good question and the answer is, Laptops are reddit core
Is this a deck killer?
>Is this a deck killer?
If it costs around the same price of a Deck it probably stands a chance, but face it: there is no company on Earth that can launch on the market a handheld like the Deck at the price of a Deck with the availability of the deck. Well, actually Microsoft has the resources to shit out a windows handheld and sell it at a slight loss to push their store or whatever, but that would need Microsoft to pull its head out of its ass, and we all know that's just not gonna happen.
Deck's availability really isn't all that much better than chinkshit given their limited country coverage and resistance to purchases made on VPN. And Microsoft would only ever join this fray to extinguish the market, you don't want that.
Microsoft already gets flak for imposing on devs to code a Series S version of their games, the idea of forcing them to code a third version for an xbox handheld is simply untenable. No, you can't just put a series S internals into a handheld form factor, that thing has a power draw of like 75 watts during gaming, no reasonably sized handheld's battery is gonna support more than 20 minutes of gaming. Microsoft's solution to handheld gaming is streaming to cellphones with gamepass ultimate, which is objectively worse than gaming natively, but it's something.
Sony is actually in the best position to make a standalone handheld, but they're clearly not interested if that Project Q announcement is any indication. Maybe Sony's next gen will be a hybrid styled console.
Microsoft should leverage their game pass cloud streaming to make a cheap console that streams.
that wouldn't be the dumbest idea in the world actually, which is why they won't do it
The logitec g cloud is actually just that, and it's a pretty good streaming console that gets like 9 hours of battery life.
It starts at $900 and its just a generic chinkshit console.
But what makes the ROG unique?
Honestly nothing but good luck convincing someone to buy this over a gaming laptop at that price. Hate how umpc prices are rising.
The rebranded APU and the Armory crate software, that is it.
>rebranded APU
Pfffft
>Armory crate software
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
it's made by asus which means you're being scammed as soon as the money leaves your wallet
Works on my machine
Rog Ally is sold in my local store, I can return it if I don't like it. I can demand refund if it breaks, I get access to RMA and frequent updates.
Something AliExpress product will be able of doing.
>$900
Might as well get a gaming laptop at that point. Hard pass for me.
the ally is like 800€ though
Okay so I'm still buying a gaming laptop over the ally?? What was the point you were trying to make?
yeah but how does this chinkpad compare to the ally when they both have windows and cost basically the same in europe
I don't give a frick about europe.
you seem stressed anon, relax. and i also dont care about laptops my point was to compare these two chinkpads
Ask someone else then, that wasn't the point I was getting at whatsoever.
>Might as well get a gaming laptop at that point.
Unless you can pick up your laptop and use it as a handheld they don't really compete. Most people who play big handhelds do it because they enjoy gaming on a device where the screen is in your hands not because they take it out of the house.
Too expensive for what it does. Wake me up when it's $399
At least it has trackpads but I am still not dealing with Chink support or paying 1000+$.
I have a PC and don't need a handheld. Manufacture competitive GPUs instead or sth.
can i ‘ick on ‘eck on it?
I really hope playstation comes up with a portable soon and then we just crack thats firmware and get a legit good handheld instead of this Linux bullshit
>Possibly
>Perhaps
They don't even have faith in their product kek
Since the deck released AYANEO became irrelevant.
Ally only killed it further.
75wh battery and most likely a 12 core RDNA3 iGPU. You'll get the same battery life at 30w TDP then the Deck gets at 15w. You get the same battery life on it at 20w TDP then the deck gets at 10w. That is pretty great for a handheld, shame it's from China.
I thought the Air was a clever idea, take the two biggest reasons someone might pass on the Deck, large size and screen quality and release a compact OLED handheld. If there was a mainstream device with those features I would probably own it instead of or at least alongside my Deck.
>ayaneo
Chink shit company that lied about handheld release just to kill sales of competitor
Almost year later announced downgraded soc and higher price
Also no support for released handhelds
Just don't bother and buy Steam Deck
>cote i3
I swear they make a new one of these every week. Why buy a system that has 0 support and no longevity right out of the box?
I'm glad handheld PCs are finally getting the Handheld Android treatment so that there's a flood of different products with dumb names that are all better and shittier than each other in ways that trigger autism.
>rog is special because I know full well that it will break
amazing
meant for
We've regressed from proper consol wars to roving consol warlords
>small dose of tism
>won't buy products with names I think are moronic
Thank goodness for that. Allly, weebheld, I am immune to them all.
no one asked
The Ally has invalidated all of these chink handhelds in terms of price, performance and support. As trash as Asus has been lately, their support is much better than Aya,Onex and GPD. If you aren't into windows handhelds, the Deck is the other best option. I say this as someone with a Deck, an Ally and an Aya Neo Next.
why do you waste so much money?
> As trash as Asus has been lately, their support is much better than Aya,Onex and GPD.
I can’t stand Asus but this is true
>ally killer
Ally killed itself by being an asus product
>most powerful Windows handheld ever
Irrelevant since even it won't be able run the latest AAA games
i like the trackpads, but what the hell is that configuration my dude!?
What's the price OP?
The whole point of me going with the Chinese knockoffs is because of potential better hardware and cheaper cost.
They're never cheaper. The Deck and Ally have killed x86 chink handhelds. They'll all need to go back to making Android emulation handhelds. The competition there is even more brutal.
I was kinda looking forward to that one, too.
i mean if it's cheaper it will break in like 2 months right? though i think it's 900 dollars for the cheapest one
>nice shiny metal on top
good
>stolen start and select off of steam deck
good
>touchpads
good
>rgb sticks
trash
>random ass new dpad instead of something they've known people like
trash
>probably 10x more than a Deck
>0 support because it's chink shit and there's a new one every year
>wangblows
horrible
Because the rog ally never lived, it was doa
#coon
i wonder if the launch for these devices are a disastrous as the ally's was
Nah, they know the market unlike Asus who just joined, they won't do something as stupid as presenting themselves as the Deck killer based entirely on shipping with Windows and having a connector to an external fricking GPU.
Nothing beats the Deck
What the hell is going on with these things? There has to be some active shill war or something happening.
the entire market is being gobbled up by valve and whatever bread crumbs remain will be the prize of whoever invests in shills the most
Which is funny considering Valve did very little marketing unlike these guys.
dont need to do much marketing when the product is good
>1 year later
>20 times the size
people trust valve more too
why would they bother with marketing WHEN YOU CANT BUY THEIR PRODUCT IN ANY STORE, im blown away when steamies say "this will expand the user base" when all they are doing is selling the steam deck TO the steam userbase
It just confirms to me that the steam deck is just a fun hardware project for them that wont get a refresh like the index.
>"Where should I buy a steam deck?"
>"Just buy it from Valve"
Problem solved. Only turd worlders can't get a deck in their country.
>WHEN YOU CANT BUY THEIR PRODUCT IN ANY STORE
Selling things on the internet? That'll never catch on. Valve are doomed.
No thanks, I'm waiting for something with a bit better specs and better battery in gdpwin4 form factor. Just so I can play mmos in bed and tell morons to ccpls
Because Linux sucks
ALLY BROS
>Windows is breaking Zog Allys
lmao no refunds
>"i want a windows handheld"
>they get what they deserve
don't see an issue here
>PSA: Windows Update breaking
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
Is that an official account?
ally bros we need to to explain this asap
>the solution is to turn the fan at max at all times
surely nothing can go wrong this time? Funny how none of the shill reviewers had this issue even though they said they had plenty of playtime...
Im guessing they mostly played on the internal drive
>windows
DOA
back at it again with another awful dpad
I bought a deck off eBay, came with a bunch of shit for the price of a new one. How fricked am I?
Check battery life on desktop, check buttons, check for 'ick imprints on the screen.
we don't talk about the Rog Ally
>Allysisters are struggling against a winblows update
>meanwhile deckchads....
deck bros are just scratching the surface on what's possible.
>It feels like there's one of these chink things coming out every other week.
Ayaneo has announced like 13 different handhelds slated for 2023. They survive purely on fomo and indigogo donos,
what does that even do
There's another one of these now?
It feels like there's one of these chink things coming out every other week. I'll give this one props for having trackpads, though it looks like they might be too low on the device to allow comfortable shoulder button and trigger usage while having your thumb in comfortable reach of the trackpad as well. It's probably going to be expensive as frick as well.
I'll wait until there's a new Deck out or something, at least I'll know that thing has some proper thought put into its design and that it gets actual software support.
What kind of a name is that?
>Can't wait to play with my Kun
>I've got greasy smears on my Kun
>My Kun has a matte finish
>I'm going to fill up my Kun
>I'm running out of space in my Kun
>Hope I don't get a virus on my Kun
>I take my Kun out in public all the time
>When I play with my Kun too hard it starts to smell
>I told my nephew not to touch my Kun without permission
they're going to release the mini later on, the kun mini, or kunni for short.
how is nintendo so powerful bros? every big gaming company now scrambling to copy their model
More like Nintendo is scrambling to copy the Deck kek.
Ayaneo is chink shit and didn't the ROG Ally flop? Seems like it killed itself lmao