>Enjoyed Fallout 3
>Decide to try the older games
>Assume theyre going to be boring jank
>They actually have god tier characters and voice acting and RPG mechanics
>The RADS combat is pretty much identical
WTF bros? Why after all these FO3/4 threads did no one tell me this absolute GEM of a game existed? Are there more oldschool RPGs like this?
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>They actually have god tier characters and voice acting
Only like 5 characters are voiced acted stop the cap
>WTF bros? Why after all these FO3/4 threads did no one tell me this absolute GEM of a game existed?
Accessibility. I'm surprised Bethesda hasn't had BGS Dallas port the older Fallout titles to phones yet.
Your vault, if yew please
don't bother with other old crpgs, fallout is very unique (aside from arcanum, which sucks)
instead play the total conversion mods for fallout 2. 1.5. resurrection and nevada are the best. Atom RPG and Trudograd are also worth playing, as they're just modernized ruski fallout
I thought that the community patches fixed Arcanum. Does it suck at a more fundamental level? Been meaning to try it
>(aside from arcanum, which sucks)
Arcanum will always have a special place in my heart and I barely even know why
It's a kino game if you want a fun experience, but you will not be challenged at all. Most of the game can be cheesed hard, either by getting the Dog character or just using the Harm spell over and over. It's NOT a game if you want balance, it's a cool game if you want an RPG to have fun with.
Is there a to build a character with decently high charisma( and other RP skills) that can still cheese the combat?
I love the setting and atmosphere, but man that combat is a slog. On either mode.
Is this the new FO1 vs FO2 thread?
There is no such thing. There are just original fans vs zoomer tryhards. OG fans enjoy them both.
Let's be honest, FO2 is a broken game, once you know how to get the Enclave power armor you aren't going to not go get it as the first thing you do in a playthrough. It would be stupid not to.
I don't get it until the end on subsequent playthroughs. Why would I want to ruin the game? Just because you know where something is upon a replay doesn't make a game broken. Would you prefer level scaled loot or some shit? You can also rush items in Fallout 1, Baldur's Gate, etc upon replays.
>Just because you know where something is upon a replay doesn't make a game broken.
Yes it does when you can just walk there at the very start of the game with pretty much no risk unless you're unlucky. There's no point in waiting to get it.
i don't even think you played the game if you think you can easily walk there with "no risk". Either that or you're a filthy savescummer.
Just use cheats if you're going to metagame the fun away
Oh please, it's ridiculously easy to get and everyone knows it, let's not pretend it's a challenge now when you people have to stop yourselves from going to get it.
He's right about having to savescum like a madman, though. You might as well just use a save editor and save yourself some time.
>He's right about having to savescum like a madman, though.
Possibly dying once or twice and reloading a save in San Francisco doesn't really seem like having to savescum like a madman but ok. If your character has 3 agility and can't run away from combat then you might need to use a save editor instead of walking like everyone else does.
You can do the same shit in plenty of other RPGs. That isn't something specific to Fallout 2. If you want to have a hate boner for the game, you should spout some other canned line about pop culture references.
Why can't we get remasters of these games but with every single character having a talking head
Because Black Isle and Interplay lost the source code long ago
mechanically these games are incredibly simplistic, wouldn't be too hard to remake that portion of the game and port the data/quests systemically. Shit, modders do it for TES remakes
And with quality voice acting. That would be great. Or it would be cool if we got them in 3D but in red888guns artistic style (look him up, his retro CGI is amazing)
Before blackrock and ESG
risk of what?
I hate to rain on your homosexual conspiracy theory parade but EA was an objectively terrible, videogame company killing corporation from almost the moment it formed
>homosexual conspiracy theory
The stock market is not a conspiracy theory.
He's talking about Electronic Arts dude, the company known for destroying its own titles and franchises.
EA doesn't ruin games, money ruins games.
EA gives companies they acquire huge budgets and expects huge returns, which in turn leads to the companies turning a fun game into a cash cow, partly because they have to, and partly because they don't know how else they can scale up their production.
zoom zoom isn't old enough to know the sins of EA, more news at 11
>muh conspiracy theory
You're an useful idiot spewing cia buzzwords or a israelite. Either way kys.
EA has been completely ruining game companies since the nineties. They don't need help
Please tell me ya have the chip
it's in Vault 8 North from Vault 13
go get it yourself
play underrail
Social media, streaming and gaming going mainstream means everything you do at work will be highlighted to the entire planet, and nobody wants to be the target of rich white women anger.
Years ago you could add a female character with big breasts to a video game or make a stupid joke and the only people who would see it were the people who played the game, now because of streaming and social media your female bank manager and the women who owns stocks in your company will also see it and get mad at you in particular.
Game creators had freedom back them, they have none now. They are afraid of outrage and being the target of it.
>Years ago you could add a female character with big breasts to a video game
Resident Evil Villages entire marketing campaign was around Lady Ds breasts
ESG isn't really a think in Japan yet.
the writers were halfway competent back then, and that’s all that matters in RPGs. the rest of the game only has to be serviceable (hence only five talking heads)
As the pseudo-schizo comment said, everything today has to go through rigorous power scrubbing before being released to the masses. Hell even New Vegas might be too much for modern audiences given that you can be part of Caesar’s Legion.
That and writing is hard and kids don’t learn it anymore
Are you kidding? You've never seen anyone talk about fallout 1 and 2?
Who would even think that themed vaults are a bad idea
Probably drunken, vastly overrated morons like you know who.
monty python?
Most of the diehard fallout "fans" (New Vegas babies) here have never played the originals outside of the first few missions.
if anything New Vegas motivated more people to check out 2 or 1 considering how much "cameos" and callbacks there are
>(New Vegas babies
I hate Sawyer so much.
why
>God tier rpg mechanics
The gameplay in classic fallout sucks, like a third of your skills are useless in any situation and the combat is brain dead
That said I still had some fun with them, at least the progression is good, enemies dealing 0 damage because you are wearing power armor and killing them in one shot during the late game was cool
Bethesda's Fallout games are better than the original two which makes boomers seethe and cope.
Bethesda never made a good videogame so its safe to assume a lot of other RPGs are betetr than their trash
you thought Fallout started with 3, fricking zoomer moron?
Fo1>Vegas>Fo2>Elder Scrolls with Guns
Hot take but I enjoy them all for different reasons.
FO1 is only good because it's a rather condensed game that doesnt overstay its welcome. FO2/Arcanum are okay to shit games that do the opposite and feel rather bloated. that being said, the original game was a very streamlined revival of some older isometric CRPGs. but it's not the cerebral bigbwain game that the spergs at NMA or the codex really make it out to be.
>that being said, the original game was a very streamlined revival of some older isometric CRPGs
What does this mean? Isometric CRPGs weren't dead when Fallout 1 released.
>Isometric CRPGs weren't dead when Fallout 1 released.
stuff like Ultima, Dark Sun, and etc. were dead/dying. FO led a slight revival. but its nowhere near the heyday of them.
The most successful PC RPG series from the late 90s was Baldur's Gate and I'm pretty sure that only sold around 1 million copies. Fallout didn't lead anything really. It was a solid RPG but it didn't sell amazingly well. PC gaming in general was still pretty niche. Diablo 2 came a bit later but even that only sold around 4 million.
>The most successful PC RPG series from the late 90s was Baldur's Gate
fair enough. but watching tim cain's vids about FO1. it was a fairly big success for interplay and it pushed them to make sequels and more isometric cRPGs. hence stuff like baldurs gate, icewind dale, and planescape torment coming from that publisher. you have to remember that game budgets were significantly lower back then, hence you could push out games that barely sold a few hundred thousand and it would be considered enough for a success. i think it's fair to say, if FO1 wasnt a hit for interplay, they would never bothered with BG.
>Diablo 2 came a bit later but even that only sold around 4 million.
Diablo is fairly different in design from the games im talking about.
I haven't watched any of his videos but when I was a kid, I don't remember any shortage of isometric style RPGs at my local funcoland. They didn't really start to die off until shit like Morrowind and Oblivion took off like wildfire.
>I don't remember any shortage of isometric style RPGs at my local funcoland
i think in teh grand scheme of things, the general cRPG genre isn't as dominate as it was in the late 80s/early 90s. It was a period when DnD shat out many games like Eye of the Beholder, Goldbox games, and etc. this and the fairly large number of wizardry and dungeon master clones at the time AND might and magic, ultima, and etc. demonstrate this was the peak.
why can't you posers just stay on /vrpg/
Ganker is for complaining about modern games
/vr/ is for reminiscing about old games and complaining about modern games/zoomers
Been playing risen 3; and the sexism and racism are honestly refreshing. It’s clearly a game made for straight white men.
The PB “euro-jank” criticism is overwrought; once you figure out the combat and realize you’re supposed to start out weak as a israeli kitten it makes way more sense. (The I-frames on roll dodges are a bit much admittedly)
>god tier RPG mechanics
Most of your skills in Fallout 1 and 2 are useless and most quests are linear with only one solution.
video games weren't the industrial monolith they are today.
Game makers weren't concerned with making a game that would sell millions of copies and turn over record profits, if a game broke even it would be a success.
It's because modern homosexual developers specifically make games to not include what you want.
The lead dev and creator of fallout is literally a wienersucking bottom with a real life husband
You're obviously jealous.
>Why are old RPGs so much better
Because back in ye oldern days, games were made BY gamers FOR gamers and big companies with chains of command and CEOs were a rarity. I guess in a roundabout way I'm also saying no women and Black folk because those weren't gamers back then, gamers used to be 99% white men.
Also no SJW pandering, devs focused on making interesting characters and interesting stories over ticking the troony box and ensuring that there's enough women and Black folk in the cast.
Devs also worried less if their tribals or housewife characters are "le racist" or "le sexist" so they just made believable characters instead.
A writer could develop their own RPG back then with a small team of their own.
I kind of like how a lot of old RPGs were more realistic in the sense that they didn't care about making things easier for you or expecting you to win. Modern games are too easy and full of Q*L handholding that just makes them feel too videogamey in a way that makes them less enjoyable as video games to me.
Do you need patches/mods for Fallout 1 other than the hi-res patch?
Fixt.
Et tu is also good if you have 2