Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.
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Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
We Wuz Kangs
Check you eyes
look at that nose, those lips; you moron
That’s what Egyptians look like you moron
He looks nothing like Black folk
>muh ancestors
>toehul wah is billshit
Because CA is a shit company that for the past decade has only made mobile tier pseudo-RPGs masquerading as "strategy" games.
That autistic commie is a massive moron, btw.
No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.
>No potential for DLC if they added all the relevant factions from the start.
I liked it when video games were finished on release
No political compass no buy. Simple as mate.
>That autistic commie is a massive moron, btw.
Even if he is a communist he is still willing to actually call out CAs bullshit rather than deepthroat the leftist jackboot. He provided me with many keks over his many years of work. For that he has my respect and the respect of all based anons.
So brave, a trailblazing gaming purist, no one has ever sat on their ass and b***hed and moaned about video games before. I'm sure he'll appreciate you sucking him off anon.
Is he wrong? Who cares if he is a commie?
I care that he is sc*ttish, his accent alone makes his nagging diatribes unbearable to watch.
He's so insecure about it, too. He makes fun of everyone else's accents or slang at every opportunity.
not just a commie but a vaush subscriber
Vaush taught a lizard to suck his wiener - that alone makes him gigabased thoughever
He's on bad terms with Vaush now over Ukraine. Vaush may be a commie but Volound is a full-blown tankie.
>Is he wrong?
A lot of the times he is.
Yeah, a total war game set in the bronze age would be cool.
But this is Total Troyhammer with an ancient egpytian skin, not an actual Total War game.
Judging by recent events, he seems to have been right
>Total Troyhammer
More like total troonhammer. The levels CA has stooped to after warhammer are just disgusting.
Between Legend, Lugotorix, Melkor, and this gay, I wonder why this franchise attracts so many gay anglos with unintelligible accents.
Because moronic Bongs, especially ones from well-off families, are under the impression War and Colonialism is their birthright.
>ets naut uh reel tiem strauhjee gaym, ets uh takteks gaym
Followed by a 40-to-120 minute rant where he b***hes about the semantics of strategy games being called "strategy games" because he read some military theory that says that tactics and strategy are different and in his opinion, Total War games only have "tactics" because uhhh, because he says so.
That's ironic because Volound is literally a leftist jackboot. He's far from the only Total War youtuber who calls out CA; it's just that for anyone who actually plays the TW games, it's clear that Volound doesn't know what the frick he's talking about a majority of the time, which is fitting because he's a Shogun 2 soigay that's literally put only a few hours of play into the modern TW games he's been b***hing about in his videos for dozens of hours.
Generally yes, and he's also shit at the games.
>records a video of him doing a battle in Rome 2 to "prove it's shit"
>gives himself a front line of 4 Socii Extraordinarii (lowish mid-tier auxiliary units) and fills the rest of his army with 7 units of Gladiators
>makes the enemy army like 5 units of Praetorian Guard and 1 lower-tier unit to use all the army funds
>lets the enemy army charge into his "front line" of 4 sub-Hastati tier auxiliaries and sends his Gladiators around the sides to flank and envelop them
>the Preatorian Guard cleave through his Socii Extraordinari and then wreck his Gladiators since Gladiators have low armor and morale
>"Look how SHIT this game is! Why couldn't my shitstack of low-tier garbage beat an army composed of the literal best infantry in the game!?"
>"I FLANKED!!!"
>which is fitting because he's a Shogun 2 soigay that's literally put only a few hours of play into the modern TW games he's been b***hing about in his videos for dozens of hours.
Imagine un-ironically defending nu-totalwar
he is right tho
also obligatory Shogun 1 > shogun 2 mention
Attila alone is better than everything they released before Empire and vanilla Med 2 is unironically fricking horrible.
Cringe
i died
i forgot what i wanted to reply to the OP frick
I'm not as down on it as some people as Ancient Egypt is one of my favourite civilisations and I really want to rebuild the New Kingdom Empire. But the fact its a full priced game and they don't have the Mesopotamian or the Minoan or Mycenaeans in makes it feel very incomplete for what they're charging. There were mods for Rome 1 that did the Bronze age better than what this looks like currently.
It would be maximum kino if CA was able to make the gameplay good, but they haven't been able to in over a decade so people assume it's going to be the same shit.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
Because Nu-CA has a reputation of not being able to do anything right
this but also the decay of Total War in general. Rome I and Medieval II are still their best titles. Empire and Shogun 2 at least tried to innovate but they kept leaning more and more into arcady shit and have no clue what the appeal of their own franchise is.
>Rome I and Medieval II are still their best titles
only because mods
I think the more realistic mechanics like population, needing to retrain units instead of them just regenerating, large battle maps, etc are all major contributors. Theyre obviously dated but there are constant frustrations I run into in WHTW that would've solved if they had just implemented the old mechanics of their own previous titles.
>I think the more realistic mechanics like population
Yes
>needing to retrain units instead of them just regenerating
Hard disagree, at least as it was actually implemented in those games
I think having a population system for different major ethnic and social groups with units associated with them would be good. Got all your nobles or spartiates killed? Guess what they're dead for real now, make do with peasants and periokoi for the next decade. Would also be a non-gamey cap on elite units and a way to balance multicultural factions.
>Getting your unit fresh and ready in single turn is somehow more difficult than having to sit tight with your army for next 10 turns to even consider it recovered
... what?
Attrition and S2-style reinforcements are what made the game more challenging, not less. Now you can't just whip your army back into shape (or at least the best units of it), meaning barely winning a battle due to heavy loses can set you behind significantly
The only game I’ve played where this is true is ToB. What game are you talking about where replenishment takes ten turns?
He said, Shogun 2
>would you build pyramids, temple or tombs?
>uh, you can't have all, because building slots are limited!
>uhm and this city near the sea can't have a port because something
>what, in rome 1 they had separate point for ports so every reasonable city could have a port??? unbelievable..
>no, no no, this city can't grow beyond this artificially set limit because it's not a provincial capital!
all these voices in my head when i hear something about new total wars
i can't silence them
>muh city growing in a 50 year time span game
moron
If you're looking for accuracy, you wouldn't be finished building a pyramid before the last bit of the game.
What's unnatural about that? The Polish city of Zamość was built within a few decades because an extremely rich magnate wanted to have a perfect Renaissance city
This, imagine having limited building slots in a fricking flat desert
Really the franchise has completely outgrown building slots. What we should have instead are a division between regular building slots and monument slots, the latter of which wouldn't affect your usual building strategies. There is a difference between ensuring you can't just building spam and actively handicapping people.
A Bronze Age game without Babylon or Assryia is dead on arrival. Seriously Assyria should have been the third faction, not the fractured lands of Canaan
I think they should have went back even further in time rather then focusing on the collapse.
Because I don't find anything fun in their games anymore For me there's no redeemable factor to justify torrenting a million gigabytes of shit.
i admit I dont know much about bronze age but it seems like such a boring setting with little to no variety
The Bronze Age has plenty of variety, CA is just holding back on the interesting factions so they can sell them as DL
>interesting factions
Egypt and Hittietes are by far the two most interesting ones.
>Spearmani
>Spearmani with shields
>Axe-carriers
>Axe-carriers with shields
>Meme slingers
>Bowmen
>Mid-game chariots
>Late game short-swordsmen
>Faction variable of any listed above
Wow, such variety!
not enough toys, troony?
Except unit types in early TW games weren't any different
>what is kensai
I fricking wish ca get back to its roots of first shogun, three kingdoms was the step in the right direction but they blundered post release support so fricking hard it is almost amazing.
>t. never played any pre-R2 game from them
Ask me how I know
It's not 2004 anymore, moron shill. Tell your supervisor to make a good game for once, cuck.
>Muh variety
The problem is not "dude with weapons is boring" but that they should add and improve options on the battlefield instead to remove them with the exception if some timed % modifier.
The variety should be from different units performing different roles and having different counters in a battle, instead of them all behaving the same but with different numbers. Pic related is you, by the way.
ahem. I'll try:
> shirtless Egyptian peasants with small daggers
> guys with those curved half arc swords
> elephant riders
> priests of rah who can spread disease and other spells
> chariot riders
> slave drivers with whips, maybe with a group of israeli slaves
> spearmen with shields
> pharaohs bodyguards with traditional swords
> Greek mercenaries
Unit variety is a meme. Having a core base of units available to every faction with flavor differences is fine.
People who complain about unit variety in total war never actually played total war nor care about total war.
This. The much vaunted Warhammer "unit variety" is just ranged (archers, guns, they all work the same), infantry, cavalry, single-entity, flying. No, the Grogulous Webweaver of Dabalon vs Zagzar the Wretched does not count as a unique unit interaction.
Do you mean "same units with flavor" as in Empire where it was literally just muskets and cannons with different colors, or Rome where everyone had some form of infantry, ranged or horse but each faction only got good 1 or 2 types of units?
agreed. Shogun 2 multiplayer felt rly different especially given how the upgrades and clan tokens worked.
given the limited unit roster it was always fresh.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
There hasn't been a good TW game since Medieval 2.
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>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
There hasn't been a good TW game since Shogun 2.
is there Total War game where AI isnt dogshit?
Shogun 2 and Attila.
not interested in jap lore, hows Attila? i remember reading about horrible optimization
It was bad on launch but quickly fixed, but there was such a negative attitude towards CA at the time due to the trainwreck that was Rome 2 that the oldgays just dismissed Attila forever. It runs perfectly well on my mid tier, several years old machine.
It's a great game. Despite keeping some of the terrible decisions made with Rome 2 (eg.: you can only have a set number of armies) they fixed the battle system, the building system and the tech tree and made the most SOVL main campaign in the franchise's history.
Those Attila Horse trailer's were so fricking good.
I still get Goosebumps when the various cutscenes play, really sells you the whole end of the world vibe
the game still runs like shit late game, it was supposed to get patched with the last DLC, but the last DLC became Britannia and it took all the optimization fixes with it
at least you can literally take the optimized shader files from ToB and plop them into Attila. ToB is such a glorified DLC that some of the files for it still work in Attila.
agent spam
Its not great, i mean i have a mid rig and all but fuuuuck, it runs like dogwater.
Wanted to use it to play the Lotr mod but atilla struggled with medium sized battles that rome 2 had no issues with
CA never updated Attila to their new engine like Rome II hence why it runs so poor. I can say even with a 13th gen i9 CPU, 7000 speed ram, m.2 drive, and a 3080 I can just make it to 100fps but dip to 40s.
IMO they didn't want to update Attila due to the player counts at the time being lower sales wise but the inner cynic in me thinks its due to how open the Attila's engine build is. Checking their steam DB they are still updating some build, not sure if its the launcher tho so I'm not hopeful.
I run it with a 2017 i5 and a 1660ti, no clue why people are sperging out about optimization when I run it perfectly fine on ultra and with a double unit size mod. Honestly, it's a very underappreciated game with some neat mechanics and situations like the climate change thing and saving the western roman empire (not that the east is easy to stabilize). Also for once the AI isn't fricking garbage like the other anon said which makes battles an actual challenge.
>i remember reading about horrible optimization
It's still horrible. Nappy is decent. Rome 2 battles are fun, but the campaign map part is so shit it's unreal. 3 city province system is shit and restricts expansion. Political window is really shit. Generals tied to armies is shit. Campaign UI is beyond shit. If you play as rome expect constant civil wars.
Three Kingdoms, especially the strategic AI
Is there a strategy game where AI isnt dogshit?
fantasytrannies dont care about history
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
Weren't the last few games all shit?
Why would you NOT write it off until proven otherwise?
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released
Because last time CA delivered, it was 2012.
That was 11 years ago
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released? A TW game set in ancient Egypt/the Bronze Age has potential for maximum kino.
It has potential to be a massive pile of shit
I simply cannot understand why modern Total Wars are so popular. Warhammer 2 is barely playable after a decade of bandaids being applied onto the Warscape engine just so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly. To top it off, their DLC policies are scandalous. Going back to Rome I after playing the newer games and watching how a unit winning a melee will actually push on its enemy makes me feel young again.
Did you take your medication today grandpa?
i don't get it too
What is funny i have some fun with Warham 1 back then and even some with Warham 2 but trying to get back and it simply not work for me when i can just jump to older games and get sucked in into conquest
>Warhammer 2 is barely playable
? Werks on my machine. Weird how people blame games when it's really just themselves being poor.
These people have literally never played a pre-Shogun 2 Total War game. They're literal zoomers.
>Warhammer 2 is barely playable
Hey, I'm all for shitting on CA and do it whenever I get the chance-- but that's just plain wrong.
Anyone who buys a warhammer total war game, I would not value their opinion on any historical games. They are people into fantasy and not going to appreciate the old total war games.
Not gonna lie, the warhammer games as shilled as they are just don't feel like total war, they feel like rts heroes of might and magic 3 but with a lot less SOVL
the old community left the series when rome 2 released anon. There is only few of us left.
>just so it can struggle with things which Medieval II and Rome do effortlessly.
Yeah, like bad ai, bad sieges, bad campaign management, bad unit variety.
All of those things Warhammer 2 struggles with while Rome and Medieval 2 do them effortlessly.
tbh the nuTW system is somewhat bearable and less annoying in Warhammer TW than in nuTW historic ones its still shit
>agent spam
>province and very limited building system
>general only armies and general based recruitment
even battles are worse and tbh most of them are pointless with global recruitment and auto/zero cost reinforcements, no wonder its fast turns into auto resolve march
its just no fun, no fun at all
Because Total Warhammer is better and the only thing that would make this good is if has sea battle which it won't.
They perfected cav in Medieval 2 and they perfected archers in Shogun 2. Instead of learning from this, putting them in one game and perfecting spearmanii as well they went and reworked battles into the most unsatisfying system their addled minds could muster. Why would anyone trust these animals?
In what way were Cav "perfect" in medieval 2, the forgetting to charge and the slow clunky movement? What major differences could you find between archers in the total war games they all function essentially the same, just in newer ones they can no longer shoot arrows straight up.
The impact.
99% of the people talking about good cavalry in M2TW are thinking of SS6.4 Cav. Vanilla cavalry barely worked, same with two handeders and pikemen.
Why is the pharaoh a Black person
It's a reskin of Troy and the Pharaoh is a Black person for some reason.
Oh, and it's made by current day CA. So you know it's going to be a disaster.
Why are you weirdo third world migrants so obsessed with Black folk
I'm not even America.
Because you cucks would spare yourself all this gayass self-flagellation if you treated your nogz like actual people from the get go, or at least dropped them off at Liberia when you could still round all them darkies up in one place.
Racists like them are subhumans that need to be violently purged.
calm down Black person
Rami Malek looking mofo
Bad practices in the last ten, maybe 15 years. TW: Warhammer made delusional a lot of people, but even there people is baiting the truth
WE WUZ is a turn-off, Ill just play empire tbh lads.
CA spent the last 15 years on the campaign map, while stepping down on the real time battle map, witch is the real identity of the brand. There are ton of grand strategy games made by paradox that can offer the same campaign experience, but games that offer the same combat very few, I recall only gettysburg.
Troy was really bad on this side and pharaoh will have the same limitations, if you make a game with limited campaign map at least the battles should be good, or the factions should be super diverse. Not the case
troy has the most diverse factions you stupid Black person
yeah of any total war, beside I was talking of troy, Black person
>Troy has the most different skins for otherwise identical stuff, because the new target audience is too stupid to notice
> the Era is militarily boring
> it would require naval combat
> trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanic
> CA fricked up politics and trade systems
> the map would be to easy, unless you implement Greeks and maybe parts of India
> Late game Total War sucks since Shogun 2
> CA spergs out and cuts support for new games quick
> Warhammer introduced a shitty DLC policy
> CA had no good launch since Fall of the Samurai
> The Paraoh is a Black person, which means woke shit is in the game
> the Era is militarily boring
Meh, it has potential, especially if it had some kind of early game mechanic where victory is a matter of who can bring the most bronze to the battlefield with bronze chariots being like modern tanks, but runners to collect the arrows fired from chariots become gradually better and better until they start functioning as infantry and it completely upsets the old world order and the grand finale is every country going down in a massive upheaval as these infantry hordes take to the seas and go on a rampage, with bronze armed elites fighting a desperate action to prevent total destruction
>The Paraoh is a Black person, which means woke shit is in the game
He's not. He's turbo-tanned.
> the Era is militarily boring
no lol
> it would require naval combat
naval combat was not prevalent during this period, invaders would make landfall and set up camp
> trade for bronze ingredients would be required as a mechanic
bronze is its own resource, yes
Bronze needed to source copper and tin, two things not found near each other. Especially not during the times of the pharaos
>This era isn't military boring
>naval combat was not prevalent during this period
You're even admitting in your same post that military maneuvers were limited and basic at this point.
Wait the mad lads actually made the game about egypt instead of just using it for normie marketing? This game's gonna be shit. Egyptophiles are all bookworm girls who don't like wargames.
Because history is boring and Warhammer is peak total war where they actually have freedom to mix up the general gameplay and actually do cool shit. I mean really what are they going to do? Unless they add proper sea combat which everyone has been begging for and eveyone knows they won't add there is literally nothing that they can really do or change up that TW hasn't already done. Plus it's made by the B team which has continued to show itself to be exactly that, B teir.
>Troy 2.5 made by the C team while all of CA's money is being funneled into their groundbreaking troony shooter
Gee, I wonder why...
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
Is there any game that Ganker and its offspring boards haven't written off before release? Outside of semi-obscure Japanese games?
Problem with Total War is that every battle plays out the same when unit variance is low. With the dynamics of the game series, you can never have enough units to hold a sizeable reserve, so tactics are almost entirely about countering or flanking. Older games also had terrain to account for- I remember seizing the high ground against the Romans in a defensive battle as the Greeks and letting them die on our spears- but newer games don't. Basically, you end up with the ole' Shogun 2 special:
>both sides field identical units
>the battle starts with a brief archery duel before the lines clash
>everything is so arcadey and anti-cavalry is so prevalent that there's no room for a decisive charge
>no formations and no reserves means you just wallop the other guy until he breaks
Add in a literal decade of legacy code and an engine that was never meant for non-gunpowder warfare and you can see why Pharoah is going to be DoA. Warhammer was an unexpected hit that's been carried on "unit variety." 3 Kingdoms hit chink gold, but they've never capitalized on the positive changes introduced by that game.
You can get good charges in Shogun 2.
completely wrong
Warhammer was carried by basedmen who didnt give a shit about strategy and just wanted to see bing bang wazoo explosions
>no room for cavalry charges
?????
What game have you been playing? Rome 2? In every TW before it cavalry charges were decisive.
lmao
lol, even
Cavalry is good in Shogun 2, it's just up against a lot of spearmanii and thus has to be used effectively. You were filtered.
>Cavalry is good in Shogun 2
Hypothetically, yes. Realistically, no. Units are too fast and responsive, so you can't really threaten archers with light cavalry. All cavalry also suffer the samurai problem- their units are significantly smaller than Ashigaru, so they tend to lack staying power. Because of how stats work in Shogun 2, Ashigaru also scale ridiculously well. Cavalry exist for mop up and maybe a lucky charge if the enemy is about to break. Fall of the Samurai is a radically different story, of course- cavalry, especially Yari Ki, earn their keep by taking out artillery and threatening line infantry. Ironically, they're more dangerous to modern armies than traditional ones.
>chariots
>in Total War
They're all or nothing units. Either you have the Iceni Scythed chariots effortlessly mowing down heavy infantry or you end up with units that get bogged down in peasants. If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.
>If they're implemented as they were historically used (lol) they'd be about flanking enemy units to pepper them with arrows or javelins.When the frontlines are clashing, you'd then use them as dragoons, disembarking from the chariot to get stuck in from behind.
Chariots could charge and trample just fine, just not in the way TW does it.
>you can't really threaten archers with light cavalry
Works on my machine.
>Hypothetically, yes. Realistically, no.
Unironically a skill issue. Getting a good cav charge off took patience and daring in S2 and was all the more satisfying for it. Getting into some homosexual's sniping bow monk after slipping past his distracted spears is a great feeling. So was patiently sneaking a great guard onto an opponent's flank in the woods and clobbering his melee infantry with a hammer and anvil.
>muh cavalry
Frick off. Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empire, and they did so during the peak of cavalry use in combat.
>romans created empire
>during time when cavalry being peak
anon if anything they started losing empire at the time when cavalry started to rise but they created empire in times when infantry was dominating and even then they created empire due to superior logistic and mobilization system and being able to integrate their allies into their system
>Romans proved you don't need cavalry to become a huge empire
Rome used Cavalry all the fricking time. It was critical to their success in many instances, that's why they were willing to pay for it and why they had an entire social class that was named for their horse ownership.
The Romans used cavalry extensively though. They just didn’t use native cavalry much until the high and late empire, but Rome always sought out good auxiliary cavalry and the numidians were often the deciding factor of battles
Every legion had a detachment of 300 heavy Roman cavalry and they made extensive use of lighter Numidian, Gallic, Spanish and Thracian cavalry auxiliaries in greater numbers. Auxiliary cavalry was crucial for many famous Roman victories. They probably wouldn't have won the 2nd Punic War so decisively if the Numidians and their cavalry hadn't switched sides from the Carthaginians.
>POMPEY SOME GUY ON THE INTERNET SAID CAVALRY IS OVERRATED AND NOW IM FRICKED PLEASE SAVE ME CAESAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ancient Egyptians had olive skin not whatever this brown Arab pharaoh is
proofs?
Ancient egyptians look like modern egyptians moron, they were never replaced.
No they don't you lying b***h.
I never understood why people think any different. Modern Egyptians probably have more (or are more likely to) have Arabic DNA, but this almost Columbian exchange level of "all the Egyptians died/got killed" take I see a lot is absolutely moronic. They're probably a little lighter in skin tone since you don't nearly have the entire population working in agriculture like you did during the pre-industrial era. Obviously, the nobility wouldn't be out in the field tending crops, so their skin would be lighter, but still.
Barring rare edge cases where an entire culture got forcefully moved/genocided, it's very rare for a group to get entirely replaced by another. There would be absolutely massive signs if Egypt someone got completely replaced with Arabs or whatever. (both culturally, linguistically, and genetically). From my understanding Egypt has been a well-populated area thanks to its ease of agriculture and highly productive farmland for the effort required.
Modern Egyptians are similar to ancient Egyptians, but probably with some more Arabic DNA (and probably more sub-saharan African DNA as well)
Modern English are similar to Britons, but with more Germanic DNA the further you go towards areas where Anglo-Saxons migrated to.
This would be like if someone claimed all the Chinese were Manchu and were totally different from ancient Chinese because the Qing (A Manchurian dynasty) ruled over China for a few centuries, which is super ironic because most Manchurians now are indistinguishable from Han Chinese because they assimilated so hard.
Do you not know what tanning is? And thr Egyptians and Arabs are fairly closely related. Same language group.
Which is also ahistorical, but that's not really worth complaining about, is it? There's a reason chariots died out the instant horses were bred strong enough to carry a man.
>Trusting CA after Hyenas (AKA Lawbreakers 2)
I have really no idea OP…
Looks like a re-skinned Troy with 0 variety.
If they wanted a bronze age bash 'em up I don't see why they didn't just go from Roman all the way down through Egypt. Could at least create some interesting effects and variety.
No, the Romans don't become relevant until nearly a thousand years after this game's timeframe. There is still a huge number of factions they could have potentially added though if they weren't trying to nickel and dime players with DLC. Myceneans, Assyrians, Nubia, Libyan tribes, various Mesopotamians, etc.
>He doesn't remember the ahistorical Viking dlc for Attila which takes place almost 500 years before the Viking age
They're totally going to sell a proto-Rome dlc for this game
Total War is a zombie franchise.
you were right Volound, I kneel
Volound is the best thing to ever happen to CA. Any criticism, no wonder how cutting, can be brushed off by associating it with that autistic frick.
kek
this anon is right
volund was right on few issues but he also was plenty of wrong and he is a gay so it doesn't matter anyway
What criticism? Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit. A situation they seemed too comfortable with.
>Players have been outright praising shit gameplay mechanics that were controversial when first introduced in Rome 2, and now get copy-pasted into re-labelled ones, because CA weren't being told they were shit.
Like what?
There isnt any. Total war players have been consistent in complaining about the series but shills need the fanbase to stay at war with itself so CA can continue pumping out garbage
Wondered why so many 'mechanics' now are just progress bars and numbers going up? Often the labels and their effects have no relationship at all, like the designers don't really care.
bruh what
rome 2 was the most hated release they ever made, noone praised shit
I thought that was Empire? I mean I'm biased when I say that since they fixed and improved Rome 2 over time and added lots of extra content to it, but Empire is still for a large part broken to this day.
Shut up, CA shill. You and your ilk keep begging your big corpo to crank some half baked shit mechanics that were lierally in other games. Volound is completely right in criticizing the direction total war took ever since Rome 2 was released.
>nooo how dare you badmouth my favourite e-celeb!
Sad.
Based. saw someone call him "the Chris-chan of Total War" once, kek.
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I'd buy a Stargate TW in a heartbeat.
>1000^10 troopers and full fleets in orbit vs 1 (one) 4 man squad
>1 man Daniel (Resurrected) doom stack
they don't want me anymore
t. historical boomer
they don't want your money? thats a shame
>Rome Total War
>unplayable without mods
disagree although your points about dumb ai stand
>how many different types of units did caesar have? alexander? charlemagne?
A lot? TW covered each of these time periods (some repeatedly) and you can see for yourself how much unit variety each of them had, and how those units were different from other nations' units. There's no reason to be this much of a moronic homosexual, so why are you trying to hard?
>20 different spear and swordmen
but pharaoh has this aswell and even more? only thing missing is cavalry
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1924388985
Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.
Also the rosters are more diverse than most people seem to think.
>Actual battles look good, atleast better than any modern TW since Attila.
Looks like the same trash we saw in Troy
I'm trans btw.
not buying your shitty reskin of troy, also fix your streaming it runs like trash
not enough toys?
Egypt is for women and women don't like war games.
Also Rameses looks like a Black person.
stop pussyfooting around and just make medieval 3 instead of another piece of shit no one's going to care about like ToB and Troy
it's like you homosexuals don't like money and we both know that shit isn't true
>he thinks Medieval 3 released in the 2020s can be good
would still be better than random shit doomed to failure like ToB and troy
It's a full priced Saga game from what I can tell. If they want as much money as the Warhammer games they should at least put in the same effort.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
Because it's CA we're talking about, the same game company that added women generals despite Rome 2 being a mess to this day, that banned bikini mods for three kingdoms just because some bimbo that doesn't work at the company anymore complained about it and that remastered Rome 1 just so that they could sell you the same game but more expensive and with Black person legions to boot. Why should I have any faith in them at this point?
Yeah if this was the 2000s I'd be excited but everything CA has released after warhammer has been complete dogshit, this is going to be another troyhammer, you just know.
Total War hasn't had good non-musket gameplay since Medieval fricking 2. Hell, only one of their musket games had good gameplay. They've been making total dogshit for over a decade now. They seem to think, for some delusional reason, that the Warhammer games sold well for any other reason except the Warhammer brand. Literally the only way the over-inflated CA can stay afloat short of firing 90% of their staff is finding another big brand filled wilth money-stuck secondaries dying to feel like they're a part of something and pumping out another big Pile of Shit: Total War for the consoomers to gorge themselves on.
It's literally a reskin of Troy.
I'm trans btw.
The pharaoh looks like a tanned Mussolini
He is not my Pharaoh yet boy, nor would I agree with that statement even if he were!
>We wuz Egyptian and sheeeeit
Dasssssss riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
Graphically the campaign map looks so good. That can't justify me buying it at full price though. I'll definitely get it eventually. They will most likely do a "we are abandoning the game" sale in a year or so.
I was somewhat open to preordering this, but now that it has cosmetics DLC as a preorder bonus I refuse.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
>before it's even been released
it's been released 2 or 3 times already under different names. i'm pretty sure they just reskinned troy. if troy sucked then reskinned troy will certainly suck.
Sad truth
>Tiny map
>Only 1 notable faction on release
>Magic
Gee, sure is a mystery.
>Only 1 notable faction on release
Literally all three players of the Bronze Age collapse are there.
The Egyptian Empire, the Hittite Empire and The Sea Peoples.
That's literally all there is to the end of the Bronze Age.
Mycaneans sat in Greece and when the international trade froze up, they collectively returned to monke. That's why people theorized they were the Sea Peoples, because they literally did frick all and then disappear for a while.
Eufrates/Tigris region likewise does nothing, since there are no powerful states over there, it's the modern equivalent of the Baltics and other "Who?" places. Only thanks to the sheer and utter collapse of the Bronze Age does a vacuum form and the Neo-Assyrian empire fills the power vacuum. But that's centuries after this game.
What the frick did you do in school? Smoke crack all the time? This is literally first or second year of elementary school.
>they collectively returned to monke
that is false narrative
>t. sea peoples
Sounds like more revisionist sea peoples propaganda, dude.
they still use the same engine which feels just "dull" for me, it does not allow immersiveness, ambient and combat sound is also weak. The units have no "weight", no "inertia".
If only there would be a war/action/rts game with physics of beamNG.
No one made /vst/ seethe like based Vololund
>Vololund
Good morning Pajeet. Please do not redeem Total War.
laughing at you doesn't mean we are seething at you volound
none of us made an entire video replying to mean people on /vg/
there are people streaming EA on twitch right now
Hyenas dude
Can’t wait to desecrate her shrine, if you know what I mean.
why are they Black folk
Because people get tan when they live in deserts their entire lives
Blonde and red hair gets lighter coloured from living in the desert, it doesn't get turned into black hair by the sun. And neither do facial features. Have you ever been to Australia?
>Look at all the British people in Austrailia!
You are a fricking moron.
I don't get your point. Australia, despite all the memes, is still majority Anglo-saxon.
That will change in your life time.
Maybe, but I still don't get your point.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
It's another Rome 2 reskin, you've already played it.
It's a "historical" title that is a lot more fantasy than history, and it's a setting that barely anyone wanted or hoped for. Plus it's a Troy clone.
Have any mechanics or units of the Sea Peoples been released?
WHERE IS TW MEDIEVAL 3 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
bunch of green haired sjw women playing Pharao on pre-release. could be a fun.
>could be a fun.
Hello, sir!
>Please come and hate watch Pharao streams to boost our numbers
No Grace, I don't think I will.
WAIT A MINUTE, WHY IS PHARAOH A Black person?
Half of India is R1b and they're not fricking white
CA should develop another gunpowder-era game similar to Empire or Napoleon Total War. Many fans are anticipating a sequel to the well-received 18th and 19th century strategy campaigns.
They probably will at some point, but people have been asking for Bronze Age Total War for longer than that.
I actually know a guy who works on this and yeah, it's not looking good. First off just like Troy, it's not being developed by CA proper but by their C team here in Sofia which is an underfunded skeleton crew. As a whole, this game is just given 0 time or money for proper development, on top of that as much as laymen like to solely blame execs from what I hear a decent number of the technical problems are caused by programmers who make or ignore them so they can be paid bonuses later on for fixing them. A
>it's not being developed by CA proper but by their C team here in Sofia which is an underfunded skeleton crew
>it's not being developed by the garbage UK studio that has done nothing but release broken buggy crap since Rome 2 but by the C team which was responsible for the only stable and well optimized TW game in years
I mean from what I've heard competence wise they aren't bad but they were never supposed to work on full-priced games by themselves like I said they are a skeleton crew not really given the resources they need
That's not how Haplogroups work you illiterate moron. You demean the Aryan race with your we wuz bullshit.
Fricking grim. Discussions are full of shills telling everyone to buy the premium edition full price NOW and don't think about it too hard. Meanwhile no one gives a shit about the game.
Yeah, I'm sure this is a good, or at least acceptable game for $25. CA needs to be raked over coals for killing it by charging $60 for it minimum.
White people are Germanics and we wiped out Rome easy gg no re before ushering in the renaissance and subsequent modern age.
HRE's claim to Rome was also more substantiated than shitskins with their sultanate of Rum (kek) or slavs in mudhuts in Moscow.
Found the greasy Turk!
Oh really? Warhammer sits at 28% due to gamer outrage while three kingdoms is at 75%. Lets see if Pharao even reaches 75%.
All of those games are $60 again since CA hiked the prices due to no money so I guess the comparison is fair. I doubt it's justified in its price tag considering the tiny map and most of the bronze age civs missing from the game.
Romans did that themselves after establishing the empire due to constant infighting and general degeneracy. If Germans didn't take out the trash we'd still be wearing Togas and banging rocks together for fun.
Those "Italians" from the renaissance were also Germans who settled in northern Italy.
When people think of Rome, no one thinks of the Byzantine "empire". Though they are a good reminder how far Romans have fallen as even brownoids surpassed them technologically.
The Huns did nothing but present a choice to central European tribes: Either fight us or go west and fight the degenerates. Weird how quickly "mighty Rome" crumbled.
Wrong israelites. The ashk*nazim are not related to the Israelites at all, they're just steppe peoples. And the Sephardim are just Canaanites, so not Israelites either.
Yeah I'm sure the technologically stale Roma Empire would have brought us to Mars by now kek. 400 years without a single notable advance in science despite grabbing whatever territory Romans could bribe mercs to take.
Seeing Black folk try to seem intelligent is so weird. They don't even realize how incoherent their writing is.
No they're not identical. They don't recognize the Old Testament/Torah anymore, they just use the abridged, retconned version found in the Talmud. Hell, they don't even follow the same God anymore.
These are the people that think Adam was a hermaphrodite.
No, they're nothing without God, from whom they turned away.
>The same civilization that eventually wiped out your pathetic failed German country and replaced it with two proper civilized one.
As much as I enjoy schizo historical revisionism, no, Italians did nothing of note after Rome and got conquered by every bored statesman happening to come across them from Odoacer to Napoleon to Americans in WW2. Which was impressive as Italians were known to run away in panic during every battle really quickly, so catching them became a sport of sorts.
And cope, no one likes the eastern Romans then or now. When Mehmet finally decided to cut the life support of the lolcows in Constantinople there was a sigh of relief in every court.
Expelled from 109 countries. And if the US ever stops supporting israelites, Israel will become 110 not 15 minutes later.
That's blasphemy, bro.
Doesn't stop the Pope from forgiving people's sins tho, Luther was right.
you need to start respecting yourself man. you can't keep embarrassing yourself like this your entire life.
>Since it was a actual functional society.
Yeah, huge fan of their civilized infighting (Roman tradition!) all the time including ritual blindings of close family members or generals that weren't dog shit. I especially loved how the last Byzantin homosexual larper charged at the Ottomans and was unceremoniously slaughtered like the med Black person he was.
Wait, this thread was about Pharao, not your israeli delusions. Are you still mad Egyptians expelled you first so amazingly that you still celebrate a death march through the desert some 3300 years later?
You see the Yayoi fighting each other the same way for 3000 years without even inventing shields is much more interesting than the clashes of ancient empires with cultures that might as well be alien to each other.
>unironically supporting progressivism
I can't wait for the Germanic race to wipe out you homosexuals again
The same one that ushered in Weimar and created the Frankfurt School which gave us amazing things like critical theory which spawned modern clown world? I sure love Germanic Aryans bros!
But anon, the israelites did all of those things you mentioned.
Why'd Superior Ubermensch Aryan 100% Pure Giga Germanic Supermen let this happen on their watch?
israelite libeling whites like usual, go “home” moshe and kill a Palestinian child
>muh Palestine
Welp... *that* didn't age well. Yikes
Pharaohs were White Caucasians with light hair except for a short dinasty of Nubians and a shorter dynasty of semites. The fact that the devs approved an image of a mutt with none of the right ethnic features of pharaohs exposes this game as historically innacurate excrement.
This is the physical map, is most likely not going to be extended meaning no Mesopotamia, Greece, Caucasus, Iranian plateau
>Most likely not going to be extended.
I doubt that. Hell, at the very least they could add about of the playable area of Troy with no issue.
Also, and I must admit I didn't get much chance to play during the free weekend, but apparantly Myceans are in the game.
>Hell, at the very least they could add about of the playable area of Troy with no issue.
except the issue that no one will buy troy is it's included in pharaohs
it should have been a single bronze age game with both greece, egypt and the middle east from the start
>except the issue that no one will buy troy is it's included in pharaohs
Why not?
> have been a single bronze age game with both greece, egypt and the middle east from the start
I agree.
I don't get this logic, it's pretty easy to extend the map and even in the fog of war they already have the geography mapped, not like the map can't get bigger.
if they want to they most likely can, given Troy shares a similar engine build it's a matter of porting the assets in.
Video explains it better
Game is literally only Egypt and Hittites. Even TW1 had more factions. You need at least three factions. I would've expected the Persians and Greeks being added to the trifecta of Hittites, Egypt and Mesopotamia.
Canaanites are in as well.
>Why are people writing it off before it's even been released?
I wrote them off after Empire and never played a new one after that.
Have you played any Saga title? Troy and Thrones were the kind of slop a total moron would like
Oi imagine playing Total War: PHAROAH
We wuz Kangs, B studio making it, shitty Saga title at full price, and black facial features on every faction leader and unit
>We wuz Kangs
Egypt is based, homosexual.
>B studio making it
Sofia is their only good studio left.
Hey homosexual, how’s your wide nose, nostril flared game doing shill?
>have unit of archers
>they shoot
>gigantic cum rope effect ruins my view
why did they move away from shogun 2 arrows
You can remove trails now
Yeah, but then you literally can't see them. As I remember, older titles would enlarge the projectile itself if you were further away so it was easily visible.
Is there a torrent out yet?
Waiting for aliens sea peoples DLC
with laser
>>YES, WE, THE DECENDANTS OF THE SAXONS THAT WIPED OUT HIS KINGDOM.
I can tell you are American. There are 4 nations in the United Kingdom, three of which are primarily Celtic. Even the English merely adopted the Saxon language and are celto-german mutts.
>There are 4 nations in the United Kingdom,
No, there is one.
state/=/nation cultureless moron
It's over.
50 bucks says CA walks away from this thinking people don't want historical TW
>implying SEGA isn't going to drag CA behind the woodshed for a double barrel 16ga coup de grâce
Nah, I doubt it. They aren't EA.
With that said though, between this and Hyena they are on thin ice.
It'll hit it's peak on the weekend. Don't know what the peak will be, but it's higher than this.
This is pathetic, even Vic 3 launched higher than this.
damn, people say that the remastered flopped and it peaked at 18k players. this must be a super flop. will it even push past 10k this weekend?
No. weekend boosts are around 20%.
Woah, really? Pharoah might be the fourth-most played TW on it's opening weekend. That's amazing.
grim
Grave even
Lmao.
>What! People don't want to pay $70 for a re-skinned Troy!!!!!
Still waiting on OP to explain how bronze age egypt has potential for 'maximum kino'
>bronze age egypt
Should've made it about Cleopatra. The dumb idiots.
Wtf, Thrones of Britannia had a higher all time peak than Napoleon?! How come no one talks about it? Was it that shitty?
NapoopaN was quite good. Fixed the flaws of empire, improved it on many fronts. People were just burned by empire and wanted a fixed empire but napoleon was a more limited campaign so lots of people gave it a pass. Still one of my favorites though.
Thrones of britannia was pretty big because it tackled a time period that they hadn't touched since medieval 2 kingdoms.
People thought ToB was going to be Age of Charlemagne as a fully developed game. It was one of many times we got tricked by false advertising.
>mogged by the shogun 2 demo
holy kek my sides
>Beaten by games not even initially released for Steam
>Currently has fewer players than Rome + Rome Remastered right now
It's over, isn't it?
Sad. We'll probably never get the fully expanded Bronze Age game this and Troy should have been from the start. Worst case scenario we won't get historical at all.
>less players than Rome 2 TW
Mommy Look! I reskinned Empire again!
>Playing Kurunta
>Enemy has two stacks to my one, both small than me individually
>Try to set an ambush
>Ambush fails
>AI puts one army behind me, but still in reinforcement range, so my first retreat brings me closer to them and they can still reinforce
Since when did the campaign AI know how to do this?
>he actually bought the game
lmao
What's wrong with it?
I want to play modern Total War games but I fricking hate the building system that is being used in all of them, where an entire city has only like 4-6 buildings you get to create.
I miss the old Medieval 2 system where you can build EVERY building, but you have to pick which one to build right now.
Are any of the modern TW games close in feel to that old building mode? Or no?
>I fricking hate the building system that is being used in all of them, where an entire city has only like 4-6 buildings you get to create.
There are still a ton of buildings, but now you need to put some actual thought into it instead of just building absolutely everything
>actual thought into it
Lol. What thought, it's just a nonsensical city specialization. You make one recruitment center, sometimes another when you blob harder, everything else gets turned into this same economic province and thats it. It's gamey garbage that shouldn't be in a simulationist series. Entire province and building system makes no sense and arbitrarily connects cities to each other, forces expansion just to complete province and chains their effects. So Rebels will start an armed insurrection in province capital, because a minor city had a smithy built, which made it dirty. And somehow this smithy meant that you couldn't build a chapel just because.
the older one allowed for far greater believability and RP while the new one is pants on moronic and piss easy to game, no harder than the older system. instead of dumbing shit down to 3 slot mobile tier game design, they could have you know, tried to think of ways to limit building instead of hard capping it and color coding it like the audience is a bunch of morons. thats the difference. the older games allowed for better RP and believability and the newer games offer nothing over that, thats the main issue. the better AI touted by those that support the newer games is marginally better, at best and is still the dogshit same stuff we had 20 years ago. the difference being that at least the battles look better in the older titles along with a plethora of mods that change the setting to just about anything I want.
There is Rome Total War: Remastered from Feral Interactive and that's all.
CA will never again create a fun campaign layer for their game, they had developed a common kind of game design brain rot which forces them to add arbitrary number which limits possibilities into every mechanic even if it makes zero sense. There is no place for meaningful mechanics now. We are only allowed to have slots and cards with effects which we put into these slots in the year of 2023.
>cards with effects
What do you think buildings in older titles were if not this?
>le numbers are le bad!
Go back to your echo chamber subreddit, Volound
>Feral
fricking hacks
Three Kingdoms is the closest. Still limited by slots, but at least cities are no longer grouped into arbitrary provinces. Actually 3K is by far the best modern TW campaign map, just unfortunately combined with the worst battles.
>just unfortunately combined with the worst battles.
I'd say Troy has now taken that title honestly
I'll take your word for it, I didn't play it because of the Epic debacle and by the time it slithered onto Steam I didn't care any more.
I don't care about bronze age
it's over
>Name one.
simulating charges.
Also, simulating how soldiers will occupy and take space on the battlefield from the enemy.
Why? It massively limits strategic options, and it means you don't get that cool type of battle where your reinforcement column, or your battered troops getting rotated off the frontline, get attacked by the main enemy force and you have to improvise a defence. Everything is full stack vs full stack now.
>3 decades of warhammer slop
>noooo warhammer is shit, we want historical TW games!
>get historical TW game
>noooo historical TW games are shit, we want something else
c'mon guys...
What do you gain from making disingenuous arguments about Total War on a polish basket weaving forum?
>replying to a furry reaction image
WTF happened to Total War? They used to be huge and new releases were hyped as frick. Now.. literally nobody cares.
most important, not too hype a setting.
also a bad game so it cant grow via word of mouth.
bad game+bad setting equals dogshit sells.
i have complete certainty that if CA made a shitty Med3 right now with fantasy hero units, it would still sell like crazy because its a setting people want despite the game itself being shit.
pharaoh has nothing going for it.
But anon, Ancient Egypt is a cool setting, even for the new kingdom period.
They fricked up the implementation, specially by reducing everything to just Egypt and the Hittites with Canaan sandwiched, when easily adding the Assyrians at the minimum would've made things much better.
This game screams to wasted potential, and I'm not even getting into how some of the interesting mechanics being brought up didn't cover for some apparently issues on gameplay.
I hope they at the very least make the gameplay better.
I think people would better receive it if CA didn't pretend that it's a full blown main title. If it was cheaper and with SAGA title, it would be less hated, although still mostly sell like shit.
Egypt is not as cool setting as later, "bigger" eras. It doesn't have a mainstream appeal which stuff like Medieval times have.
>Ancient Egypt is a cool setting
Doubt.jpg
Now, the Ptolemaic period that is an untapped well of potential.
>muh incestuous greekoids
Remind me again what's the most famous egyptian monument and when was it built?
The sphinx, 12000 years ago.
Yeah
Its TW Empire, if the map was just Britain, France and east coast of North America.
I would say it's more like "It's Warhammer 2 if you couldn't combine the map with the first game".
>also a bad game so it cant grow via word of mouth.
bad game with denuvo
TW now only releases unfinished games to be 'fixed' by DLC (see warhammer) or tiny games that nobody cares about.
CA decided to stop making good games after Shogun 2
Atilla and Thrones of Britannia were good though.
What benefit does lying to me serve
You don't need to be contrarian to point out how bad CA is.
Atilla and ToB were bright spots in the pile of shit that was everything post Shogun 2. They weren't as good as shogun 2, but they also weren't bad.
Attila was a highlight, but ToB was the start of the "lukewarm" games
Atilla is shit but still less shit than R2. Doesn't mean it's actually a good game like shogun.
>shogun 2
>good
after rome 1 you mean
Rome was trash. Last good game was Medieval 1.
>med 1
>good
it was decent at best. last good game was shogun 1
I'm not even pirating a game with a giant black dude on the cover.
Another several million dollars wasted developing a histoid game that none of the histgays will play because they're a bunch of greasy manchildren stuck in the past incapable of being satisfied.
Should have taken all the money that went into the development for this game and put it towards a Warhammer 3 DLC, a game that people are actually interested in playing.
>Historical gamers have standards and refuse to buy crap products.
Go back playing israelitehammer and all its israelitelc's.
>jews israelites israelites israeliteS
you’re literally brazillian lol we will never accept you as being white
White people don't like to be reminded that they didn't exist then as a civilization and are only a temporary blip in history that will eventually be forgotten
ywnbaw
Hittites, Myceneans, and the Sea Peoples are all Aryan
None of the aforementioned were Indo-Iranian.
If meds aren't White, then tell your fellow shitskins to stop whining about how the meds who conquered the Americas were icons of White Supremacy. You need to start owning up to Christopher Columbus and Hernan Cortez and all the rest, you did that to your fellow browns.
blood & gore when
You morons anti corpos are the blood and gore
Why is the king African American.
He isn't you fricking blind moron.
Not a real thing.
I mean, cav did work in Medieval 2 insofar that even with the wonky charges they are insanely overpowered.
Every single game since Rome 2 has been a reskin of Rome 2's horrible hp and province mechanics.
CA won.
Hyenas and Pharaoh will be remembered as the greatest games of 2023.
Not gonna play your Black folk game no matter how much you advertise it.