Why are sex scenes needed in a video game?
>Witcher,TLOU,BG3 Bear frickin', etc
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Why are sex scenes needed in a video game? >Witcher,TLOU,BG3 Bear frickin', etc
Why are you bothered by fictional sex?
Because unless it tickles my pickle (which they never do because they're not porn games and thus weren't designed to do so), I don't see the point in them aside from a story pov, and from that pov it's kind of shit too
it's giga-cringe
i"m a 31yo virgin
all i care about is killing
not playing the sims
I want the fictional sex to either be sexy, or plot relevant.
Never has the sex in any of these "mature" adventure games been sexy.
The only way it could be plot relevant is if there's conception involved, a future child becoming relevant to later events, or a reason for the mother to be benched while prego.
A character relationship developing doesn't need the sex scene nor even the leadup to a fade-to-black just as they lay down; you only need imply it.
>you only need imply it.
I agree with the overall sentiment, though I personally don't mind fade-to-black if it happens early enough.
I personally don't think that it can be sexy at all, because at that point if the point of the sex scenes is to invoke lust or hornyness in the viewer then it becomes pornography, and I've got much better material than a video game if I need a wank.
I don't mind nudity at all if it serves a plot, like interrupting coitus or a rape segment to push a plot forward (I can't think of any really).
This is what people don't seem to get. Just like with fanservice and ecchi. It's NOT about wanking off. It's about enjoying something sexy and fun. No, it won't in fact be better to go look at porn.Especially since porn isn't even really about the kind of "sexy" people are looking for from such content.
Not important to the work for YOU.. Not for everybody else. I don't like dark shit and pointless tragedy. I can make the very same argument about that. Oh yes, it makes a story better in some cases, and for some people (edgelords) it makes everything better.. But it's not needed to actually tell a good story.
I disagree.
It serves a useful point by demonstrating how the depicted fictional culture relates to sex or things which are considered by our current culture to be of a sexual nature and as such not OK to show. Like it or not but that is ultimately still integral to a complete picture of a fictional society.
The alternative is playing a game where everyone is implied to be an intensely sexually repressed, strictly for the purposes of procreation prude and that's basically fine in a children's game where sex is just explicitly not supposed to be a thing but it is weird when you start moving beyond those boundaries, especially when you're not practically mainlining a linear plot and can't find a single prostitutehouse.
It does not bother me its just boring cut scenes. Like as soon as you start having sex I get the picture, it does not need to be drawn out like it matters to the plot or anything. To me it would be like if a game forced me to watch my character take a 3 minute shit in detail during a cutscene instead of just doing it
i don't want to see sex if it's not a porn game.
btw recommend me websites other than f95 and fapforfun. i find them extremely unreliable to get hidden gems
are you ok with gameplay in a porn game?
Because said fictional sex is about as appealing german porn and takes up time I could have used playing the game.
Why are you bothered by fictional women?
Great picture, the homosexuals who relentlessly attack japan for making pretty/sexy girls are the same who clapped when they saw the gay bear sex.
Lava and Piss?
I never really cared about sex appeal before hand, but now I want to see more sexy women in games just to spite these people.
I'm a bit the same way, just look at this shit. It's like they can't differentiate between realism and ugliness.
This only furthers my point that they just want to the world to be an ugly mess. You can have all the degenerate gay sex or beastial pleasures you want, but if any of it appeals to "privelaged groups" then it's evil.
It's empowering for a woman to spread her asscheeks and yell "rape my butthole till I die" but it's objectification and demeaning when a man draws a pair of breasts too large.
Yes, which is why we should push to cancel this game in any ways necessary
The nude wome-I mean the bear scene shouldn't be permitted
Preach
There was nothing more skin crawling that watching a new gaming media literally start crying and playing victim over the thing they have been actively trying to achieve for over half a decade at that point. The only thing worse was the ideological shills who insisted that the decision had nothing to do with complaints.. That it was merely about "business" and of being a niche title.
If I wanted fictional sex I would play a Dating Sim you disingenuous leftypol-Black person.
But in that case, you could use the same reasoning to remove ALL things that could be considered sexually attractive from videogames, right?
Its a waste of dev resources that could be spent on actual gameplay
I really don’t need to hear or see two people fricking to advance the plot.
Unless it's rape it doesn't bother me.
So I can frick my shipmates
because normies and incels
you wouldn't ask that if they were in japanese games
I wouldn't know
Correct. Because I'm a normal person and don't play japslop
I would, because sex + anime = banned from steam.
if they were in japanese games the characters would be good looking
How ironic coming from a virgin so ugly no woman would touch
Bane one Japanese game with an extended sex scene that isn't just porn.
>Bane?
Despite fanservice shit, Japan is actually pretty tame when it comes to sex scenes outside of outright eroge.
At the very most, it's implied with a fade to black.
I don't mind sex (see GTA:SA's hot coffee).
I do mind ugly man-faced women.
Sex is a part of life and art imitates life. You aren't a virgin, right?
No actually, to contrary belief. The hooker didn't count, but the girl I fricked at 16 did
No I’m not a virgin which is why these sex scenes feel so cringe everytime.
>You aren't a virgin, right?
i am and i can kick your ass
Sex sells.
No one buys a videogame for the sex scenes
(coom games excepted)
then uhh, why are they there?
porn addicted game developers/directors
And players.
I wish this was the case, but tons of people unfortunately buy games for romance, including sex scenes since that's a part of romance.
If you don't believe me, just look at a game like Stardew Valley. The NPCs in the game are incredibly shallow, and the art doesn't even make them look attractive. They're incredibly undesirable. Not only that, but the actual romance part of Stardew Valley is incredibly basic and simple. There's a few cutscenes and then your spouse is basically worthless. It's safe to say that 1% of the game is romance and your playthrough will only involve 0.1% romance.
But then you go to ANY discussion forum regarding Stardew Valley and a HUGE part of dialogue will always be about the romance or people talking about which cardboard cutout they decided to marry. It's such a tiny part of the game yet it dominates discourse about the game.
Sex scenes are in the exact same vein (Because they are rarely ever spontaneous and instead typically involve some sort of romantic route). They add nothing to the game, but they get people talking about the game and give it exposure. It's free marketing, which you can clearly see with all the bear bullshit.
people play gta:sa and da:origins/mass effect exactly because they had sex scenes
No one knew about hot cofee until it was found in the code.
But who's buying?
underrated
This
Sadly
>sex sells
>we don’t want our characters to be victims of the male gaze so they’re ugly
Which is it?
Sex appeal does, not blatant sex. Nobody bought San Andreas just for the novelty of having sex with your girlfriend of choice or a prostitute.
Clearly the secret is to hide the sex in an Easter egg that you have to hack the game to access
GOW sex scenes?
>IT'S OK WHEN IT'S homosexualRY AND BESTIALITY
You'd be shitting and pissing your pants if it were a 1000-year-old vampire e-girl.
It's not even homosexualry either, it's the most disgusting fat hairy kind of homosexualry.
Call me when a western dev is based enough to design a boy as cute as Link and have him be gay.
I'd be fine with both really, that just gives the players more options
because video games are mature entertainment for very mature people, like movies and television
because sex sells
because love is the basis of 99% of all stories and sex is the physical act of love. op is moronic
But most video games don't have them, why are they needed? There's really no need to have them in a video game.
My dick requires it
because movies have them and video game want to be movies
In recent years, yeah. That's true.
Being here, you know that's not true. Maybe with the "normies".
>sex is the physical act of love
It was, it hasn't been in a long time.
>sex is the physical act of love
What? WTF drugs are you taking?
This is far as I can get in this moronic thread, I'm closing it
I just hate hollywoodesque sex scenes in general. They aren't sexy, they aren't entertaining. They're usually badly done and lazy as frick. Why have them? If it's just for the nudity then you can see that in other ways that are less boring and actually attractive.
That's my point, they're just not needed. I don't play something and need it to be porn.
I agree with you, movie could be more tssteful, sex scenes in american goyslops are not even comparable to fanservice japslop, they are done with cringe orgasms while in penumbra andcare long as frick
kek, literally the first thing that came to mind was hollywood
To remind gamers they will never breed
If this was the case that would be funny as frick but as far as I know the examples given by OP aren't the best examples.
>you will never have sex with bear or a man hahaha
Sex makes brain go whipeee!
It's kind of pointless indeed. But Ganker feels inclined to defend it because most people on this board are brain damaged coomers who don't even play video games and need to see lewd anime girls in everything they play. I'd have no problem with it not being there, since I'm not playing video games to jack off. It's just a distraction. Ganker unironically defends this being in a horror game, when it makes no fricking sense.
Poster sounds like a homosexual, didn't read, but thanks for the picture.
tradcuck
Creating detailed, interactive sex scenes would be extremely time consuming and take away from the content of the game itself. Developers do not have unlimited time/energy/money I would rather play a game that is a fleshed out rpg not a bad rpg with sex scenes in it.
If you want to play/develop smut games just do that and buy/sell them on steam. They don't need to work their way into every genre,
some people like having them in games, it's not rocket appliances Julien
they make me uncomfortable on tv too
I'm not talking about TV or Movies, we can set that aside. We're talking about toys here.
video games are as much just toys as animation is just for kids
Sex is just part of life.
Yeah, but why is a sex scene needed in a video game?
Because them sucks monkey balls
They're not like you would expect, it's all implied and to my knowledge, I have no idea if there's ever been graphic sex in one. TLOU was close.
I played Witcher 1 and it fricking sucks, if you want sex go to /gif/ ,games are supposed to bring entertainment through techniques or fun.not sex or moron quest missions such as run all the moron map for a receipt, to make a no sense item
I'm against the sex scenes, let's pay attention bud
That being said, despite the fact i don't care if sex scenes are there or if they disappeared because of it being a distraction. I don't mind if people make games with that in mind, sex games have been around longer than most of you all have been born (see pic related as most notable example) and there's nothing wrong with them still existing. It's just don't see why RPGs need to have romancing options (referring to Larian), to me that is the most stupid shit and that in some part caused the downfall of Bioware. Since their audience from the forums were cancerous snowflakes that quite literally started getting their fan fiction inserted into games. That's why the Dragon Age series got completely ruined and had laughably amateur writing. And Larian are more or less likely repeating the same shit, the bear thing is only apart of the equation. So that's one thing to keep in mind with the audience obsessed with roamcning options, they can be a double edged sword. That's why you saw the kind of freak out that you did about people defending the bear stuff, this is the new age audience of RPGs that thinks romancing is crucial part of the experience.
I really don't see much about the romance options in RPGs being a big topic. The only people care about it care about it being porn.
They're video games, none of it is "needed"
I don't like sex scenes because they have never been fricking good, that's it.
I'd rather they kiss and it go to black, than the sad excuse for a sex scene we get.
Oh wow, two shittily mocapped people touching eachother with no nudity, amazing...
This is the same for movies, it's garbage and hardly titilating. Even simple cleavage or something subtle is 10x hotter than a sex scene.
Appeals to women
no I'm not joking, for some reason women love sex scenes in fricking everything. There was a study or survey or some shit, but I can't find it. Not sure how to google "women" and "sex" without just getting hardcore pornography.
I'm not sure about that, this seems like something pretty male dominated in opinion. But probably not "normal" men.
afaik men dont guzzle erotic fiction by the dozen while for women its pretty normal
shades of gay or whatever is a best selling fricking book
We're not talking about a book, we're talking about why a sex scene is needed in a video game. Refrain from whataboutism to make a cheap point.
anon was referring to sex in all medium in general and videogames are no exception
narrowing it down is pointless
Yeah, no shit. I get that it's in other media, but why video games?
Before Game of Bootyhole
I love playing games with sex scenes contextualized by a narrative.
In your opinion, why are they need and what do they add to gameplay?
Yes, I fricking know that.
maybe its just search engine being search engine
just like how you cant search a picture of white couples without having one of them being a Black person
Women love shipping characters in their minds, so they enjoy characters fricking onscreen.
This. I swear Netflix is so popular among women solely because they have a mandatory sex episode in every episode of every show/movie
I have noticed that woman writers tend to approach sex differently
Female manga writers also love stories while young boys are raped or forced to be prostitutes, I've noticed.
>for some reason women love sex scenes in fricking everything
Because the truth that people on this site refuse to accept is that women are super fricking horny. Usually more so than men. Imagine being able to cum infinitely. Over and over. It's a lot easier to get addicted to sex as a woman.
Are you speaking from IRL experience?
My extremely limited experience of having only dated 5 women, yeah. I could only keep up with the sex drive of one of them. My current GF is obsessed with mutual masturbation and drags me into the bedroom so she can watch me jack off. Sometimes it's right when I'm in the middle of something.
Where did you meet them and your current gf and did they also play video games, too?
First two where in college, last three and current gf I met at work. Most of them played video games but no where near as much as me. My current gf only likes playing for a couple hours but much prefers watching me play games. A recent favorite of hers was watching me play through DQ11 because she liked the monsters and the music.
I played more than a few H-games and can attest to this. Women easily get addicted to sex.
Sex scenes in non sex games/stories appeal to women because women, in general anyway, prefer their porn and smut to have some level of build up/plot/emotion to it
It's not so much the visual that gets them off but the scenario.
That's also why they prefer writen to visual.
So straight up pornographic stuff is shit to them because it's got no built up or set up. But if you give it the right mood they'll be into just about anything.
>Muh women
There it is again, are you sure it's women?
Yes?
Or do you think it's guys or trannies reading 50 shades of grey or producing the copious amounts of smutty fanfiction that exists on the internet?
It's guys, lonely one's that want romance and sex in a fricking video game. It doesn't really belong, and I doubt women are buying a video game to see implied softcore porn.
>it's guys
It really isn't.
Guys just watch porn or mod the game with full on coomer shit.
>It really isn't.
Anon, just go browse anywhere but here and you'll see the vast majority of those that enjoy sex scenes inserted into otherwise not pornographic material are women
Doubt.
Aren't guys the ones playing those massive VN franchises for the sex scenes?
Or to put it another way - does anyone read Fate without it being uncensored?
Most Fategays haven't even read the VN these days or even watched the show, they're entirely gacha secondaries.
As for sex scenes in VNs, VNs might be the one exception, but even there I'd question how much fujos have an influence. Definitely not over early TM thoughy, at least.
No one read through Fate for the sex scenes, I can guarantee you that.
Why are sex scenes needed in drama?
Every Netflix TV drama has sex, and one that subverts expectations is the rare gem that scorns sex and strives for something more.
Video games are like that now.
I hate women so much it's unreal.
>Why are sex scenes needed in drama?
It's more expected and welcome that's why, it just doesn't really make sense when applied to video game. There's just not really a reason to be there, even if it's related to the story. I've just always felt it was about making games like movies, but if I want that I'll just go watch a fricking movie.
I want video games where sex is the gameplay and a goal to strive for, but it's just movieshit.
Oh buddy, not even porn games get that part right a lot of the time. It's either exclusively on losing or once every half an hour of holding ctrl to skip through novels worth of brain damaging trite.
Honestly, the only games I've seen pull it off besides Rance are homosexual games like Bastard Bonds or homosexual furshit like Tribal Hunter.
Succubus Affection is the one game I can think of that does this right
Maybe Monster Girl Club Bifrost if you insist on VN shit. At least it puts the sex as the top priority and doesn't drag out the scenes until the heat death of the universe.
Why do you need to have sex in a video game?
Safe horny just means an attractive characters design is more conservative and not showing a lot of skin or sexuality.
Every game should have explicit heterosexual sex, prove me wrong.
You wouldn't understand
unironically "safe horny" which was a term that got misunderstood and misused right out of the gate.
safe horny is the rejection of romance and courting in favour of casual sex and lust. instead of a man wooing a woman with romance, the woman or other man will proposition sex, and then you can choose what kind of sex it is. it gets a pass for being sexual content, when it actually reduces the allure and mystery of sex, turning it from something special into something mundane and commonplace.
it's really no different from onlyfans, or any other prostitutehouse. you pay your money and then you tell the prostitute what you want to do. it's not a natural conclusion of a relationship, or a life-changing experience for the characters. it's like taking a piss or shooting an enemy in the head. just another minigame to complete.
I've seen people point to games like Mass Effect as the origin of this 'degeneracy' but Mass Effect and Dragon Age still put sensuality and mystique into the presentation of the sex scenes, it was only until around ME3 or Andromeda that they started emphasizing stark nudity and putting in token gay romance because the sex scenes became almost a bigger deal than the game itself. The conversation became about what type of aliens you could frick, whereas it was originally just one alien and a couple other characters who were all deeply connected to the story and the main protag. That personal connection is lost now. Instead, you can create a customized lover and choose from a list of options about how to customize your sexual experience with them. It's not romance, it's a porn catalog.
I agree with you, this is the real problem. It's sexslop.
The sentiment that video games are toys for children hasn't died down, so they add stuff like excessive swearing, movie-like sex scenes and quippy Marvel dialogue so the players won't feel insecure about their own maturity. This is also where the obsession with making everything cynical and realistic comes from.
I don't mind as long as the game doesn't try to shove it in your face.
Games that force you to those with no way to avoid it, irritate me.
I just want to play the game!!!
To make the target audience (teens) feel like they are engaging in very deep/mature content
because gamers are VERY lonely
Yes
>what do they add?
Nothing. But they make lefties seethe.
>Muh lefties
can you /misc/Black folk go without bringing politics up in any thread you visit?
It’s usually the /misc/tards getting triggered by that stuff these days.
lol Go to someplace like ReeeERA any time a Japanese game has a bath scene, or a girl has a sexy outfit. The right are nowhere near the level of threat that the progs are on this issue. They simply get their way more often so and the type of content they do support.
Holy shit can we finally have Sponge threads on Ganker again? No sign of the Shadow poster anywhere.
I dunno, what's wrong with them? Games are inherently worthless in any practical sense, you could ask "why is reloading needed in a game?" Sex in games can be used as a means to either express the adult nature of relationship, add some humor through jokes of a sexual nature, or just entice people who wanna see sex.
If you don't like it, you don't have to play it.
Because video games are super le serious that the gays that make them totally aren't mad that daddy doesn't respect their career and they project this insecurity by adding swear words every other word and le sex scenes
because its super mature, and in RPGs with self insert avatars are designed to fulfill power fantasies that people couldn't have in real life.
Why do movies, TV shows, and books need sex scenes?
We aren't talking about them.
I don't like them their either I don't wanna watch a sex scene with my grandma
They don't.
It's a crutch for shitge
Because millennial writers who think Game of Thrones is the pinnacle of entertainment assume that it makes your game more "mature" in the same way that excessive swearing and over the top violence does.
They're trying to shed the idea that video games are a medium for children and want them to be seen in a more respected light since they couldn't hack it in television or film.
>watch movie
>dinner scene
>cutscene skip immediately to couple having wild hot rough sex
anyone else get comfortable when this happens?
Doesn't bother me, but bothers me in the way that my life has been so empty that things like a sex and dating life have never actually existed.
Just don't buy it. It's not for you.
If enough people do the same, maybe they'll cater it to your tastes next time. Probably not though.
If you are roleplaying a character, why wouldn't sex be prevalent? Did military men not have sex during their tour? Is it immersive to think that the hero stays chaste and singlemindedly tackles the threat facing the world without a single indulgence?
"I just want to play the game" is a complaint of someone who doesn't understand what roleplaying is.
Does it have any relevance to the story? Is it there for the story telling and gameplay aspect? Or is it there just to basically just be fan service/porn to some?
It can and often does, and the two aren't mutually exclusive. "Fan service" is a bizarre turn of phrase. Why would you not want to be serviced? It seems to be used for "thing I don't like that other people do".
It's fine to have a knee jerk repulsion to polygons having sex on your screen, but it holds no bearing on whether it has merit.
I don't care that much, just questioning why they're needed outside of it being porn.
The lack of sexuality in media in previous years is stranger than its inclusion now, as sex is as inherent to the human experience as eating, fighting, and learning.
It adds realism and can stand to forge deeper connections between the player and specific characters.
If the game is narrative driven and focuses on sentient societies, I don't see a reason why sex being present on some level is out of the question.
>The lack of sexuality in media in previous years is stranger than its inclusion now.
This part I agree with. However:
>Sex is as inherent to the human experience as eating, fighting, and learning.
This isn't true. Eating, fighting, and learning are all actions needed to survive. Sexuality is merely an addon that you may choose to partake in, but choosing not to doesn't at all threaten your livelihood. Your thinking reminds me of the fallacious logic that has propagated through early psychological circles to the present day that birthed the term "sexual needs." (You probably recognize this from Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs which is still being taught to this day.)
Of course some can abstain from sex and lead a happy life. For most, a lack of sex (and more importantly offspring) brings psychological strain. I would argue it's wired into the human instinct as much as any animal that breeds.
It's this instinct that has assured our continued existence. Humans don't exist without sex, for now.
Of course, this all goes into psychology which is usually hogwash anyways, so your guess is as good as mine.
Are any of you professionally related with such knowledge based on your reasoning?
I'm professionally moronic, does that count?
>I'm professionally moronic
Same.
Aren’t we all?
wild that today you can sell a game with full sex and detailed dismemberment/gore and it will get only a M, but add gambling and you might get an AO
Because western games are trash. BG3 is going to be such a flop that they rolled out gay bear bestiality shock content before anything else to start controversy.
Why are sex scenes needed in books? Why are sex scenes needed in movies? Why are sex scenes needed in television drama?
>comparing hollywood israeliteery to video games
Once again, this thread is not about those things.
You try to come up with this analogy but it falls apart for book cause there isn't that much. Out of one that has it like Ulysses, 500 lack it
>vidya is muh movies and muh shows
God I hate you movie gays so much
>GTA SA
What a shitty fricking game. WAY too many goddamn cutscenes. What the frick were they thinking? I just want to play the game.
>posts the franchise that is just gangster, mafia, and heist movies
Naruhodo
> Books generally don't have sex scenes you idiot
> Movies/TV have it as a lazy writing (e.g. easiest way to show character relationship for a moronic audience, using pillow talk for a forced dialogue setup, etc.)
> Games have it because they are trying to be a movie
This is at least in part because media like TV or film are coming off of intense periods of regulatory bullshit and sexual repression. You can't integrate something organically if you can't even comfortably conceive of it, let alone if you have to smuggle it past a bunch of people who have similar issues.
normies like sex
Because normies are obsessed with sex, degeneracy and hedonism so they want it in videogames which were supposed to be escapism
>playing god of war on ps2
>mom is in room
>sex mini game where you need to break the vase
>sex noises
>mom says “that’s my anon!”
>tfw khv
Wtf did my mom meant by this??
Thats hot
Have sex with your mom next
Because some fmorbidly obese writer convinced people it makes for more compelling (realistic) fantasy.
Because realistic characters frick, normal adults aren’t perpetual virgins and frick each other sometimes … and not all games are meant for kids
ah yes, realism in video games
an hero
Anon, you don't roleplay a fantasy character to be a carbon copy of yourself, do you?
He's not wrong, but still, why?
Most Gamers dont have Access to Sex so probably to make them sad, to make them feel bad about themselves and they will go and buy Stuff to fill their Soulhole. Or to give women even more power and attention cuze most sex scenes are romantic and focused on THEM, cuze its never hard nice rape. In the end its cuze of pushing a political agenda or to hide cover up bad storytelling
Agreeable.
How graphic will the sex scenes be in BG3?
Apparently there was more they couldn't show on the stream
Because sex = mature and it gives people a false sense the story is bigger and deeper than it actually is. However I can not think of a single piece of media where the inclusion of a sex scene makes it better, most it can be removed completely and it will lose absolutely nothing.
In some cases, like David Lynch, the inclusion of sex scenes makes the piece worse.
This too.
>In some cases, like David Lynch, the inclusion of sex scenes makes the piece worse.
That is intentional on his part. But I agree with your point.
Because I want to watch my toon bang other toons.
idk
why
Because zoomers need it to feel mature.
Also reminder that it's totally okay to have sex with adults or a bear but not a 1000 year old character if she's drawn in an anime style.
It's probably not Zoomers.
The strip club in gtasa
The one with Triss in that Elf fountain in TW2 was very needed IMO
So your parents can walk in during them and feel relentless disappointment for you.
because RPG don't sell to normalgays without it, even "muh romance" isn't enough
>normies buying a video game for romance and sex
Nah
Romance just sucks. Like others have said, romance always feels way more drawn out than it needs to be. If you aren't a coomer, typically you're thinking during sex scenes
>ok I get it they are having sex can we get back to the game please
This isn't an FPS or an RTS. The "game" is roleplaying. Maybe a dungeon crawler RPG is more your speed.
So a role playing game needs to have sex scenes in it? You've proved a point about this shit being a self insert that's unnecessary.
What if anon is RPing as someone that could care less about sex and just wants to adventure
Then you avoid it?
a
Adventure being a huge part of RPG's, but is there a point of having sex scenes? In my findings these sex scenes add nothing to the game.
Yeah, but it's still implied and it's still a cutscene.
I love rpg games, most rpg games ive ever played with sex goes
>pay hooker or swoon woman with charisma
>screen fades to black, sometimes theres moaning or screaming while black screen
>the end
this is the much better way to do it, I dont need to see whats happening in the room. It adds nothing to the story and is just an annoying cut scene i have to watch
>I love rpg games
>just an annoying cut scene i have to watch
You sound like you love rolling dice for crits and dodges rather than anything else.
yeah, anon loves playing GAMES contextualized by a narrative, not watch porn
Youre talking about JRPGs now moron. Im talking about actual games
>its still implied
thats fine, Implications save time for needles stuff, thats the point.
>its still a cutscene
yes but its not a 30 second cutscene where I know whats going to happen ( you have sex, the end)
Jesus you really are coomer brain. Hes saying sex adds nothing to the story hence they are boring cut scenes, not that ALL cut scenes are bad, fricking moron
>this is your brain on J"""RPG"""
yikes!
>story le bad
Tell me how you've never played a campaign with living breathing people without telling me.
>jesus christ can you stop talking already i want to roll my dice
kek
>dice is le bad
tell me how your campaigns are uᥒinteresting railroaded snoozefests without telling me
Ever heard of yahtzee? You might get a kick out of it.
I bet you only dm 1 (one) group and they yawn mid session
i didnt even know it existed til it was pointed out, i skip every cutscene
Because Game of Thrones had sex in it.
Have you ever seen movies? Normies love sex scenes for whatever reason, especially femoids, in the desperate attempt to make videogames be seen as "more mature" westerners try to cram in sex scenes in every one of their moviegames because they lack talent and creativity.
This sperg is a good marketing strategy to get someone to get Bear Fricker Sim 2023.
They're trying to copy Hollywood, which is filled with narcissistic psychopaths who get off on the fact they can get actors to do anything they want, and who essentially have a free license to show the audience any disgusting image they want as long as its gated by an age restriction that nobody cares to look at
Take Annihilation as an example which I watched recently. Went into the movie expecting A Roadsite Picnic lite, and that's pretty much what it was. Halfway into the movie you get jumpscared with interracial sex for no reason. Has nothing to do with the plot or story, doesn't happen in the book. The director just wanted to get Natalie Portman naked and frick a black guy on screen. It's bizarre
Organic.
israeli video game companies want their "games" to be like a israeli pozzflix TV show.
Because shitting on prudes is a necessary component of advancing a culture.
It's common for the initial phase of a medium to be unregulated wild creativity driven at least in part by pornography as a passion, followed by an extensive period of draconian regulation that castigates practically everything as abnormal. Once people get dissatisfied enough with the limits of the sterility, Pandora's box is opened once again and the only thing left inside is a fairly large buttplug, the medium will likely never reclaim that initial wild period but it will eventually reacquire at least a semblance of that anything goes mentality while the prudes complain in the background about how everything isn't sterile anymore.
You can see this in film, comics, cartoons, games, music, etc.
No the real question is why only certain types of sexual content is allowed in video games today.
ReeeERA is loving this.. let that sink in.. The forum that bans discussion on games with too much fanservice, that is full of people who REEEEE and claim to refuse to buy a game because it has a hot spring scene in it... Now suddenly loves this.
Also everyone just lost the ability to argue against the 1000 year old e-girl argument. I mean at least fully adult e-girl looking women actually exist in real life. bears with human level intelligence not so much.
To be totally clear here.. I have little problem with anything and support fanservice, romance and sex in games. Human-bears included. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
the west tries to mimic 1% of this power
One of the greatest most epic moment in RPG history.. Ranks right up there with the first Grandia's ending!
Witcher sex scenes actually have attractive women in them not ugly lesbians or a gay bear.
THIS!
It pisses me off to no end that this type of neo-puritan bullshit popped up JUST as the gaming industry was growing up in regards to sex and nudity. The only thing worse is that the west is dragging the Japanese and eastern industry down into it with them this time.
Nah, way too many cutscenes. I just want to play the game.
They are completely unneeded and I don't appreciate them, I also dislike romance and displays of affection. Not that it matters. I avoid the games that have these things.
I appreciate your levelheaded approach to your problems. You could have been like the many people crying in this thread instead.
Because it's not a big deal.
They aren't. Just lazy writers wanted to make their story "mature"
They're not. Like others have said, they're just there to appease the normalgays who thinks it makes the piece of media they are consooming "mature".
>I can't believe it
Huh? What else did he expect?
>Redditbob
chadow does it again
>Jobdow.
Sex is one tool to make the love story believable, I think. In dishonored, there is no need for a sex scene because there is Emily, as the physical proof of their love. It is also fine to fade to black when the game is made for a younger audience (fable 3). I think the implication of sex is absolutely necessary for me to believe is the world, but the way they frame it can be on a spectrum. From text, fade to black and sounds, to full on pornography like in TLOU.
To make them seem mature, because the M rating is effectively E for everyone, and Mortal Kombat is now seen as suitable for 5 year olds.
But if your characters are having SEX? The S E X? Oh no, that's too much for children, you gotta be a real man to play a game with
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Bad writers put sex in their games because it's "mature" or because they want breasts on the screen. Good writers use it to develop characters.
>Witcher
Wants boobs on screen
>TLOU
Pretending to be mature
>BG3 Bear
Wants to be outrageous to sell the game
Normalgays are addicted to porn. Literally all they think about is sex. TV shows for example always have a moronic amount of sex scenes especially the popular ones because normalgays eat it up.
Why are Americans so afraid of sex?
Americans are the ones who push all this degeneracy
Americans are asleep you homosexual.
>So butthurt over America's superiority you bring it up for no reason
Rent free.
Weren't you guys all just complaining about underage girls' panties being censored In skullgirls. Sex scenes in video games are suddenly too far now?
>Japanese games full of coomshit
>Western games full of degenerate coomshit
What am I even supposed to play anymore?
Japanese games because those are censored for people like you
I havent watched or played anything mainstream since the very early '00s because it's all full of vulgarity, sex scenes, gore, etc. now
For the exact same reason they are "needed" in movies.
It's time to stop considering video games as a different, less important, media made for children.
If sex scenes don't bother you in movies, they shouldn't bother you in games.
They are no sex scenes in Super Mario games for obvious reasons.
They completely have their place in more mature games.
If seeing real or virtual people having sex on a screen is an issue for you, it's a you problem.
Let's ask a different question - why do games need a final boss battle?
Say your game has a villain, one who has been taunting you and stymieing your progress. Does the game need to have you defeat said villain, or even show them being defeated?
It doesn't really, does it? You could have a difficult last level and then be told by an NPC that the villain has been defeated and not be shown it. Your character could face the boss then have it fade to black without showing you what happens, then have the game tell you that you defeated the final boss.
It wouldn't be very satisfying or cathartic, though, would it. If a game has featured the slow progress you've made towards defeating said opponent, to have the denouement be told to you separately rather than than have it be explicit would feel bad.
If a game features a romance or something similar, then a sex scene might be considered the catharsis of that romance. Or even just something that demonstrates that your character is a human and has sexual urges like most.
A final boss battle has actual gameplay, so no, that's not a fair comparison.
You could just have the gameplay be in a separate level. Have the boss be an unrelated character and not the villain. It doesn't have to be the actual villain of the story you fight, does it?
That wouldn't be a final boss fight then, that would be a cutscene.
It wouldn't, because you'd still fight a boss, just not the villain of the game. Have the villain be defeated off screen instead.
Sure, but there's no reason for it to be the actual villain of the piece you fight, right? Instead of Bowser, fight one of Bowser's minions. Instead of Grunty, the final boss is Klungo and afterwards you get a screen saying "Grunty was defeated".
>It wouldn't, because you'd still fight a boss, just not the villain of the game. Have the villain be defeated off screen instead.
But that would be moronic.
Why? What do you miss from having the game be mechanically the same but having the main villain be taken down off screen?
Because cutscenes aren't gameplay.
If the devs were too lazy to make an actual final battle with the main villain, that's worth criticizing.
Where did I say there would be a cutscene in place of gameplay?
I know the reason, it's catharsis. But I'm saying the same reason applies to why it can be plot relevant to show sex as the culmination of a romance.
>Where did I say there would be a cutscene in place of gameplay?
>you get a screen saying "Grunty was defeated".
Okay, remove that and just have you fight a final boss that isn't the villain. What's the issue with that?
If the romance involves player input of some sort then it would be considered gameplay.
There's no GAMEPLAY reason to make the final boss the villain. Like has already been said, the final boss is just a test of the skills you've learned.
If you don't think that's true then please explain why.
>GAMEPLAY reason to make the final boss the villain.
I should be much more engaged against the boss if he's the villain, meaning my feelings toward him can and probably will affect how i play.
You said it yourself, it's called catharsis. Just because something doesn't have a direct impact on something else does not mean it does not hold influence over it.
If that's the case, then I don't see why a sex scene shouldn't be cathartic to an in game romance.
You're right.
You're right, I am because that was a bad example. Like you said, adding in an extra scene would constitute 'cutscene instead of gameplay'.
Instead of that, just have the final boss be someone other than the villain then the game is over.
>You're right
So you agree that there's literally no reason to have sex scenes in video games.
Sure, and no reason to defeat the final villain either. Any good gameplay will shine without story or even visuals - super mario doesn't stop being fun even if you replaced all the nice sprites with developer boxes, removed the music, etc.
Glad you agree.
Gameplay is the most important aspect of any game. focusing on romance and sex isn't needed for a video game to be good.
True. A good game doesn't need a story to motivate the player, it should be fun to play by itself. If something like an RPG or similar won't be fun to play without any story whatsoever then it probably isn't a fun game.
You're right.
Like how Animal Crossing and Professor Layton didn't need sex, romance, or boss fights to be good, a game can have none of those things and still be good, games don't NEED anything but gameplay.
Good visuals, good music and a good story aren't necessary to have in a game, but they certainly can elevate a game to a higher level of quality. However, I don't believe that a sex cutscene can do anything to elevate a game to a higher level, unless you're a coomer.
I don't agree with that last part. I may not be the kind of person that thing appeals to, but I don't think it's reasonable to just dismiss anyone it does appeal to as a 'coomer'. Would you say any instance of nudity in an artwork is only made for prurient reasons?
Why not just cut to black then?
Why do you need to see the sex if unless it's something that gets you off?
Why do you need to see the moment that the villain is killed if not to satisfy some violent impulse?
I don't need to see a villain get stabbed to death and die in a pool of blood to be satisfied.
In fact, most of my favorite ends to villains don't involve their death, or at least seeing it.
Sure. But you can't deny that it is a popular thing to have, otherwise we wouldn't have so many games that have you deliver the comeuppance to the villain so directly and violently. Why is that considered a reasonable stance, but not one that desires to see the act of consummation of a romance?
As I've already said, I don't really care for romance or sex in videogames. It doesn't appeal to me, I've never felt the urge to play dating games or things like that. But I can certainly understand why people might like those things. I don't think lust necessarily even negates other forms of appreciation.
I don't think it's beyond your reach, I feel like you're selling yourself short. You don't need to agree with someone, to see their stance. But thank you for discussing this with me anyway.
>Sure. But you can't deny that it is a popular thing to have
Again, OP was asking why so many games these days seem to need pointless sex scenes and what kinds of people actually enjoy them, he wasn't attacking those poor defenseless normalgays for wanting to see ugly people frick
OP asked
>Why are sex scenes needed in a video game?
>Witcher,TLOU,BG3 Bear frickin', etc
The answer to that is that they aren't needed, obviously, since if they were needed then all games would have sex scenes. So the question becomes 'why do people like sex scenes in videogames', which can probably be answered in a number of ways beyond 'because they're coomers'. If that was the only answer, then the same must apply to other forms of media, like films music literature art etc.
>Would you say any instance of nudity in an artwork is only made for prurient reasons?
You do make a reasonable point. Perhaps some may find it artistically valuable; they might find it appealing in ways other than lustful. Neither the Birth of Venus nor the David of Michelangelo are seen as sexual.
Maybe this is a discussion beyond my reach, since I am simply unable to place myself in the shoes of someone who believes sex scenes in video games add value to them.
This tbqh
That MUH FINAL BOSS moron is just one of those ResetEra homosexuals pissed off that mommy doesn't take his video games seriously, so everything has to be a soulless realistic movie because that's LE DEEP
>There's no GAMEPLAY reason to make the final boss the villain
There's no gameplay reason to have sex or romance
>Okay, remove that
Backpedaling lmao
To be honest, if you'd have to fight against Klungo atop her tower and she just falls of her broom(or it stalls and she falls to her doom) would have been quite funny.
But her casting an invulnerability spell and then us calling upon the Jinjonator to defeat her is pretty much the best way it could have gone.
>But I'm saying the same reason applies to why it can be plot relevant to show sex as the culmination of a romance
Romance doesn't involve gameplay either, so it's still not comparable.
>Sure, but there's no reason for it to be the actual villain of the piece you fight, right?
There is a very precise narative reason as to why the final foe you face should be THE villain.
if you can't understand that, you are moronic, i'm sorry.
Especially in grunty's case, since she berates you the whole game and specifically says she'll whip your furry butt.
Don't say that, there's a BK sex novel and it stil l terrify me
Whenever i hear the theme song, i can just think of "in-and-out-and-in-and-out to the rythm because of that cursed thing
A final boss should be an encounter that mixes all or most of the skills you've used in-game while being a rising challenge.
A great example is Grunty in Banjo-kazooie.
Sorry anon, that sounds too gamey.
Games need to mature.
The final encounter should a sex scene between the two.
You're forgetting that a lot of games basically did exactly that.
For a fairly long time most boss battles were just QTE shit because of the games that play themselves era being unable to have the boss be a culmination of all of your learned skills when you never actually learned any skills.
In terms of gameplay, that's the exact same as what would be in a sex scene with button prompts.
Because Americans only think about sodomy.
Sodomites and Beastality fuggers go to the eternal fire. Repent now. You've been warned again
>why
its fun and rewarding
>nasty and graphic troon sex: GOOD
>innocent romance with pretty girls: BAD
Why's romance needed in a video game?
You keep using the word need. Nothing is needed in a video game. Not even gameplay. Plenty of walking simulators exist and are sold as video games.
You need to hold a button to walk.
Even VNs you need to press a button to continue.
Anything else would just be a movie or an e-book.
Games need interaction to be video games.
Romance and sex have nothing to do with that.
>e-book
You still need to turn the page.
Books don't have buttons
Do I really need to see the protags gaping anus as he takes a shit?
Some kids books that makes noise and stuff do
Pretty much every VN has an auto button where you don't have to press a thing. Doesn't matter though, because you're ignoring my point that this talk of 'need' is moronic. Games aren't designed to fulfill some bare necessity of being a game and then nothing else can be added because the game doesn't 'need' it. This whole line of thought is preposterous.
You have to press the auto button
Checkmate
You have to press play on a movie.
Not in the theater.
Companies, not just video games, need to fill a quota because romancegays and shippergays will throw money at literally anything with a tiny bit of romance. Romancegays need to have romance in their face 24/7
I don't think they're needed, but I don't think the inclusion of them, if done well, diminishes a game outright. Unlike pic related.
They are not. It's a cheap addition to any form of media.
Big brain answer. Even in tv and movies whenever there's some sex scene all I can think is how the homosexual writers are just trying to pad out the runtime rather than advance the plot. And I say this as a chronic masturbator with a severe addiction to eroges.
Why are they not needed?
You don't "need" to play these games.
You "want" to stop others from doing as they please.
These games "need" to exist so sexless mega virgins like you stay away from them.
Humans have sex, all mammals have sex, they enjoy sex.
If you can't understand this you are not a human.
Its time for people like you to admit that your penis doesn't work, you have no sexual hormones & or your genitals are rotted from a putrid chemical diet.
>Quote me on this.
But the only people that want to see sex in games are virgin coomers.
That isn't a rebuttal, I could just as easily respond that you have no sexual capability's and have putrid rotted genitals and that you project your lack of sexuality at everyone.
sex scenes in video games are always moronic looking and induce physical cringe. it never looks real it looks like dead eyed puppets. there are some blender/sfm scenes out there that are absolutely perfect but no dev ever puts in that amount of effort
women
Sure?
my character is supposed to be evil
I want to put it in a blue woman's butthole
The only good sex scene in a video game that actually had a narrative function and actually was a significant moment was between Fei and Elhaym in Xenogears. It has no thrusting or grunting or on-screen nudity. It's a fade to black into an embrace. The west is just fricking tasteless.
Yeah, I can't believe all the tasteless visual novels that the west comes out with that have rape and pedophilia in them. Awful stuff.
It's devs misunderstanding the intention of my Skyrim mod list
Genuinely don't understand why. It's obnoxious
israelites
pure degeneracy games turned into a horror movies from 2000s
>fanservice
Le bad
>pantyshots
Le bad
>cleavage
Le bad
>actual graphic sex
Completely fine
Why is this? Something like, say, Baywatch, with hot girls in bikinis, could never be made today because it’s “sexist” and “objectifying”. Ecchi stuff from Japan is attacked for the same reason. And yet Game of Thrones and a lot of other nu-media which is way more sexually explicit is not only allowed but praised as progress. Why?
Sex scenes appeals to women. ecchi scenes and content appeal to men and piss women and femnists off.
That's literally it, women don't like it when men enjoy content made for them and make up shit about "objectification" to justify their b***hiness.
>Sex scenes appeals to women
>That's literally it, women don't like it when men enjoy content made for them and make up shit about "objectification" to justify their b***hiness.
What
Not much else to explain. Have you ever wondered why all modern sex scenes in games are with ugly man faced women or between men? Or why the audience cheering on the bear sex scene was mostly women?
No, I haven't played a game with a sex scene. I see no need for it.
>Women
It's not women dude.
Anon, even if you don't play games with sex scenes, it's evident that modern sex scenes are aimed at women, and that's why ecchi content is censored or shamed by the media.
Women being appealed to is the issue. It's the fault of corporations, of course, but women screaming at pantyshots and being hypocrites is part of it.
You seriously think women are buying a video game for sex and romance, nah dude.
lmao, you unironically think women enjoy games for the gameplay? Women are mostly coomers that buy games specifically for romance or sex, that's how all popular women's media works.
I'm saying that guys buy that shit to jerk off and simulate relationships that they aren't having. Have you forgot where you are? There's constant b***hing about there being no romance and sex options in some games. Are you new?
>using Ganker as a metric for normalgays and the majority of consumers
You're an idiot.
Do you see anywhere else where people are b***hing about there not being any sex or romance options in a fricking video game? I ever understand your point but do you seriously think that women are the majority that are buying them?
>majority
where the frick has this ever been stated?
It is a corporate wide marketing attempt to make gaming a more female oriented. It's still a game, so of course men are the majority. But men also don' necessarily need coom to be interested in a game. ecchi is suppressed since it scares women audiences off
Anon, have you been living under a rock?
Women FRICKING HATE attractive women, making them ugly not only makes for great self insert bait, but also makes it easier for them to not REEE at sex scenes. Also, man-faced women = men to a lot of women, so pseudo-yaoi. That audience of screaming b***hes during the bear sex showing would have been pissed if an attractive woman were instead of the guy.
I'm talking about peoples opinions here, of course there's going to be people that like having sex and romance in a game. It does attract a more broad audience and women, but the whole question is about the relevance of sex and romance to the video game and not something that's there to be porn. The other shit, I don't think I've seen much talk about ecchi and yaoi that much, I haven't seen those things in anything that I've played
Anon stop being a homosexual and trying to bat for women. We're talking about
, are you fricking moronic?
Of course men want it, but the current media is aimed at women and is why ecchi media is being suppressed.
You're also ignoring that almost ALL women's media is coom shit and is why ugly sex scenes are aimed at those c**ts. Corpos see autistic ship fujos and see an easy to bait audience of coomers.
I'm not batting for anyone.
>ugly sex scenes are aimed at women
What? People like to see attractive people having sex, why would they make it ugly?
Same reason why everyone who publicly denounces e-girlcon is secretly an active pedophile. The safer stuff is less extreme, so it risks being normalized which would slow down the total degeneration of the world. If your goal is a world with no sexual taboos, people who would want panty shots over explicit sex in their entertainment are too conservative and old-fashioned. They may even have morals.
>Why?
SHUT UP GOY AND CONSUME
unironically would have bought BG3 if it was a female bear but at this point frick that gay shit
It isn't, at all, but women like it so it's shitting up the medium forever from now on
They want normie money. Gamers are no longer the target audience.
this dude hasn't ever spoken to a real woman lol how sad
why would someone want to talk to women
It's just a cheap jab is all it is, had nothing to really add to the conversation.
so they can post about what women like ot dont like on Ganker without sounding like a total moron.
Because I don't have sex in real life and need it in my video games.
Which is the reason so many people b***h about it here, there's always threads about who you couldn't frick and/or romance in a video game. I feel it's nothing but a self insert for people who don't have that in their lives and want to live it through a video game. How these sex scenes tend to have not much relevance to the story and plot. I don't think it's really about selling these games to women, but I can see the appeal, but do you see "normal" people complaining about it? You really don't.
>Why do fantasy games have a fantasy element?
Did I say that?
We ain't talking about sex games here son
Not him. I don't mind bear sex as long as they add e-girl sex. Otherwise they're hypocrites.
YOU WILL WATCH UGLY MAN-FACED WOMEN AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
Do you work for Disney OP?
Because sex is part of life and I want believable worlds. Any world that doesn't have romance or sex, implied or explicit, is disingenuous unless it's some sort of special dystopian world where sex is outlawed or something.
If a world isn't believable, it's can't fuel my escapism which is what drives me to play video games. Sex and romance stays.
Shitting is also part of life name five games where you have to watch someone poop and I don't just mean use the bathroom I mean you are forced to watch the turd come out
That's an odd comparison, since it's hard to even list one game which does this so I'm not sure how this is an accurate argument since it has almost no precedence. If you check entertainment media, like space operas (star trek) or action adventure shows (the expanse) for example, you'll notice that going to the bathroom is rare but sometimes it's implied that they want to take a leak or that they just come from the bathroom.
Notice how I've written
>implied or explicit
which does include "use the bathroom" as you've put it and fade-to-black scenarios, or showing how a character just finished taking a piss (like RDR2).
My point is pooping is natural but I don't wanna see that either
I understand your point and in no way, shape or form I want to take it away from you. I wouldn't be comfortable if a game shoved something in my face that I don't like. Seeing a man pooping explicitly wouldn't be something I might enjoy but I do not condemn game makers if they want that in their game. Showing that a man poops through fade-to-blacks or implication (just walking out of the bathroom) is something that I'm okay with and it makes the world more believable to me. Same thing with sex, depression, suicide and murder (which is shown explicitly in most games by the way, albeit in a toned down fashion).
My point was that games should have sex in them. You are not forced to play those games if it disturbs you. You aren't a bad person for choosing not to play them and I hate the current decade-old trend that "every game is for made for everyone" with a passion.
I WANT POOPING QUICK TIME EVENTS JUST LIKE I WANT RAPE QUICK TIME EVENTS
Personally, I think watching sex when I'm not jerking off is weird. I'm not going to pretend to be some puritan who has never looked at porn. But like having a sex scene in a movie or game is just pointless. It's not cool or interesting, it's not developing the story, it's just sex.
Frankly I think it's used "artistically" as a short-handed for edginess. Some games are built around it, but I always found those to be pretty boring too if I'm not horny as frick (in which case I would just jerk off).
I used to love amorous professor cherry as a young teen, I played enough times to get every ending, but I would always stop after jerking it and then return to the game later.
>it's not developing the story, it's just sex
How could one of the most important part of romantic relationships not develop the story? Sure many games may just put it there to push an agenda but your claim is just wrong.
Sex in a story can show how two characters trust and love each other now that they have sex (or if it's without consent the story can take a more sinister turn).
>(or if it's without consent the story can take a more sinister turn)
NTA, but this is a completely different case, and the artgay morons that think pointless sex make a game mature ironically stop when it comes to rape.
No game journalist was going to bat for Hotline Miami 2 showcasing rape, or dare claim it was artsy for having the balls to include it.
A game idea I have in mind involves going to a planet ruled entirely by women, and when you kill their last male gifted with roid powers by their god (the others died or were lost on murder sprees across the galaxy) you get to breed all of them in a romance ending.
There's obviously a lot more to it than that but still. Journos wouldn't let that slide because women are insecure by nature.
Yeah you make a good point with hotline miami 2.
It's the age old american "violence good, sex bad" thing in a crystallized form.
>we have a game where people violently murder each other and then there's rape?! No no no, mass murderer psychopaths must draw the line somewhere.
>You cannot show that two characters love and trust each other without an explicit sex scene
Really? That's the argument?
Romeo and Juliet has no explicit sex scene. In fact the closest is an implication when they awake in bed together and I would argue that Romeo and Juliet is the widely known and understood romance story in human history
There are plenty of ways to convey into act, trust, and romance without resorting to using sex scenes. I don't think most people found the sex scenes in GoT engaging or interesting, they were mostly present for the edginess and "shock" factor they provided.
An example of a sex scene used in film that I think lends itself to the story would be the two prostitutes scene in American Psycho, where Bateman is seen flexing in the mirror. This helps convey his narcissistic and selfish beliefs. In this case, the scene is the opposite of romantic, it is meant to show how someone is utterly psychopathic and getting worse by the day.
>You cannot show that two characters love and trust each other without an explicit sex scene
Please re-read the post and show me exactly where I have made this argument. I never made this claim, and anyone making this argument would be moronic.
I didn't say you CAN'T show love and trust WITHOUT a sex scene, what I have said is that a sex scene CAN show love and trust for example. Love can be shown through many forms and sex is definitely one of them.
So when there is an explicit sex scene in a non-pornographic and you are not jerking off, are you actively watching it like you do every other scene?
What are you gaining from this scene? What is revealed about the characters that is relevant to your understanding of them in this scene?
To draw a comparison. Look at all the modern schlock that tells you a characters sexuality when romance is not really part of the story. It doesn't matter if master chief likes midget scat porn, because that quality is completely irrelevant to the story being told. Including sex scenes for the sake of including them is just the same as including a characters sexuality for diversity points (or their gender in cases where it is not immediately obvious)
You can just as easily convey romance and trust between 2 characters without a sex scene. In most stories, showcasing them having sex adds nothing to the plot or development of the characters
I will concede for rape. Socially, people value certain actions more than others, by and large, violent rape is abhorred by most people, more so than murder (which can be justified). So it can be an effective (if heavy handed) way of showing a character as irredeemable.
Still I would find a drawn out rape scene to be uncomfortable and excessive. Just as j would a particularly drawn out murder scene. It is my experience that excessively detailed edgy scenes are the realm of amateur writers (I am reminded of My Immortal, which has plenty of detail and still manages to be vague and awful)
>are you actively watching it like you do every other scene?
Yeah.
>What are you gaining from this scene?
It depends on a lot of stuff. If it's a romantic scene it shows passion between the characters. If they were separated for a long time, it shows longing and desire. Hell it could just show animalistic insticts and portrait the characters how drunk, stupid or immature they are.
>It doesn't matter if master chief likes midget scat porn, because that quality is completely irrelevant to the story being told.
Yes, I agree. If the story just pushes a sex scene in there for the sake of an agenda (gay, trans, whatever) then it's bad because it doesn't connect to the story. It's just there to push some current political bullshit that's disconnected from the game/movie/whatever. If the sexuality of a character is mentioned then there MUST be a reason or consequence for it in the story. The character is about to have sex? Okay, why should we care? Why is that important to the story? These questions have to be answered by the movie/game otherwise it's just bad writing.
>You can just as easily convey romance and trust between 2 characters without a sex scene.
Of course, but my point is the choice. Sex can also convey romance but just because you can do it with something else doesn't invalidate your choice in using sex as a method of showing something.
I am surprised anon. I wouldn't have expected an articulated and though-out reply based on your previous post but I guess that's on me. Good on (You).
>Socially, people value certain actions more than others, by and large, violent rape is abhorred by most people, more so than murder (which can be justified). So it can be an effective (if heavy handed) way of showing a character as irredeemable.
I agree.
>Still I would find a drawn out rape scene to be uncomfortable and excessive.
I also agree, but now this is a question of using the scene well and not wether the scene itself is viable in achieving the goal.
Romeo and Juliet involved subtlety, something lost on zoomers.
I'm not into bestiality, but you need to be +18 to post here.
>needed
>name exactly 3 games
>out of the millions of them
do you know what the word needed means
They are not needed in games, movies, books, or on the internet.
No sex scenes, anywhere. Go make babies.
Sex boost sales.
But the first thing you have to take in consideration in every market is who is your demographic.
Gaming and specially rpgs have a 99% white/asian male audience, that is the group your game should pander to.
D&D is like that since its conception. You only see girls playing when there is a camera for twitch. And even then they show a lack of care for the hobby.