Yes. Neji who complained about how things are decided by your birth proceeded to lose to...Naruto, a guy who thanks to the Nine Tails chakra was a natural counter to his mastered Gentle Fist. And then Naruto talked shit to him and said that destiny can be changed. Bravo Kishimoto.
He was always right. Even the one true example he might have been wrong about (i.e Lee) he is still correct about because Lee is a natural born genius in manipulating the 8 gates, and also did fricking nothing after part 1.
In the context of P5S, Tony Starks Changes of Heart put people's souls inside Yaldabaoth's prison while the PT are busting them out. So yes they are objectively good and he is objectively bad. There was some moral relativism in the original game and the PT struggle with knowing if what they're doing is really correct all game long, but in Strikers there is no ambiguity, there is no hypocrisy
>There was some moral relativism in the original game
No there was not. Everyone the PT's went after were not only bad people, but were dragging everyone else into their nonsense and hurting untold amounts of people. They bring attention to it and say "is it really the right thing to do....?" yes the dude raping and abusing his students and yakuza dude forcing women into sex slavery to repay unfair loans are pieces of shit, it is of course morally correct.
>yes the dude raping and abusing his students and yakuza dude forcing women into sex slavery to repay unfair loans are pieces of shit, it is of course morally correct.
but you are robbing them of their free will by brainwashing them.
>robbing them of their free will
They got off too easy, frankly they should have been robbed of their life
They gave up their autonomy and freedom of choice once they decided to hurt innocent people
Bad thing (in which this case is physically making them feel bad) happening to bad people is perfectly fine, only midwits and the Japanese think going "whoa... it is really okay to change Ted Bundy's heart...? Maybe we're the same...." is somehow deep and thought provoking
Neither of you assess played P5. The reason why it was controversial is that changes of heart were putting people back in Yaldabaoth's prison. They had to do something because they couldn't leave the badguys running rampant but they ended up supporting the plan of the main villain. The true change of heart is social links, with the critical case being Sae who you naturally change through the social link. Your social links are the ones who are able to resist Yaldy's influence and who turn the public in your favor allowing you to summon Satanael.
>robbing them of their free will
They got off too easy, frankly they should have been robbed of their life
They gave up their autonomy and freedom of choice once they decided to hurt innocent people
Bad thing (in which this case is physically making them feel bad) happening to bad people is perfectly fine, only midwits and the Japanese think going "whoa... it is really okay to change Ted Bundy's heart...? Maybe we're the same...." is somehow deep and thought provoking
The real problem is that they never agree that it was bad but "I did what they have to do" but get indignant and whiny. Which shows a level of amorality to their reasoning even if they were the nominal heroes.
>you are robbing them of their free will by brainwashing them.
You're not brainwashing them. You're quite literally just bruising their ego -- or rather: their id, if you want to get really technical about it -- enough for it to stop acting like a raving egocentric megalomaniac. Basically, you're giving them a slap across the face to bring them out of hysteria. At which point what follows is the catharsis and revelation of "oh shit; what the frick have I been doing?!" which their shadows *themselves* realize. They are arriving at that conclusion under pressure, maybe. But in the end the shadows reach the conclusion that what they'd been doing was wrong, of their own volition. And they promise to set things right in the real world for it.
What you're doing is giving them a mental enema and a clean reboot.
to be fair, a good portion of people do play the game, they just fundamentally misunderstand how shadows work because they WANT gay and troonys in their game. Basically, people need to die
The real problem with the shadows is that they talk about overcoming flaws but no one goes through any personality development beyond superficial shit.
what do you mean? I agree that P4's character development is almost non-existent, but the keyword is "almost". It's bad, but it's not completely irredeemable.
yosuke comes to terms with being a selfish c**t who proudly rides on the steed of a corp stomping on local businesses.
chie realises she was using yukiko for... idk social clout for being bffs with the popular girl?
yukiko kinda sorta measures what she actually wants to do when it comes to her family business vs her own ambitions, though this ends up being very vague
kanji figures out that liking cute shit doesn't make him a homosexual
teddie is a moron and his existence makes P4's quality actually nosedive
rise is also moronic and is built specifically to simp for the mc anyway
naoto drops the pretenses that she needs to be a man to do her job and goes with what she's given (and how)
I forgot about anyone else. anyway I fcuking hate teddie and morgana. they're so fricking moronic and they never shut the frick up, especially morgana
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Anonymous
Eh...I can't give it credit for only doing it in small examples. It doesn't help that all the characters were unlikable in the base and the fricking best character was written to be okay with being a simp because she "might have respected you after all". Its poor writing all around and I ended up rooting for the whiny butthole villain because he was more likable by proxy.
None of the characters were gay.
None of the characters were transgender.
Chie actively wanted to be more feminine.
Yukiko had complicated feelings over the inn and ultimately decided she valued family and community over the romanticized idea of leaving for the big city.
Naito was just confused.
In fact, a lot of the characters were just confused about aspects of themselves.
It must really anger certain people, the idea that someone wasn't homosexual or transgender or whatever the hell, just confused and going through a phase they will ultimately grow out of.
>None of the characters were gay. >None of the characters were transgender. >Chie actively wanted to be more feminine. >Yukiko had complicated feelings over the inn and ultimately decided she valued family and community over the romanticized idea of leaving for the big city. >Naito was just confused. >In fact, a lot of the characters were just confused about aspects of themselves.
This is the Watsonian understanding. Yes, in-game all of that is true. The image is question, from a Doylist perspective, why the authors decided the crazy shadows should all be >homosexuality >transgenderism >not going along with family's wishes >not following prescribed cultural expectations on masculinity or femininity
What's more likely-- that coincidentally the devs came up with character stories where every time the characters realize they're more comfortable falling in line with society?
Or that devs intentionally created a story that tells players the alternative behaviors are confusion/deviancy and to fall in line with traditional values?
It's almost certainly 2.
Most of those things are a direct result of Rise being a b***h >Ha ha you're such a stupid dumb homosexual, Moronji >Stop calling me that >Everyone laughs
Also >Naoto >trans
Missed the whole point of her arc
Why do zoomers get so outraged by "slurs"? you can call them cum guzzling boy molesting fruits and get no response but call them a moron and immediate pants shitting starts
Why do people keep posting Twitter screencaps?
Furthermore, why would you post the comment of someone that is clearly an SJW Pro LGBTQP+Ultra and that is mad about Naoto not being trans and Kanji not being gay?
What a worthless post.
>None of the characters were gay. >None of the characters were transgender. >Chie actively wanted to be more feminine. >Yukiko had complicated feelings over the inn and ultimately decided she valued family and community over the romanticized idea of leaving for the big city. >Naito was just confused. >In fact, a lot of the characters were just confused about aspects of themselves.
This is the Watsonian understanding. Yes, in-game all of that is true. The image is question, from a Doylist perspective, why the authors decided the crazy shadows should all be >homosexuality >transgenderism >not going along with family's wishes >not following prescribed cultural expectations on masculinity or femininity
What's more likely-- that coincidentally the devs came up with character stories where every time the characters realize they're more comfortable falling in line with society?
Or that devs intentionally created a story that tells players the alternative behaviors are confusion/deviancy and to fall in line with traditional values?
It's almost certainly 2.
>Rise and Rise's problems start off realistic as a somehow extremely self-aware idol puts behind her a world that treats her like shit >Rise sees a younger model with her older manager >loses her FRICKING MIND and has to go back
I couldn't believe it when I saw it, it was such whiplash to go back to the industry wienersucking that you can only really assume Rise was legitimately groomed in-universe and had a meltdown when she wasn't the cow anymore.
Yeah I bet its really cool for a teenage girl to be surrounded by people paid to take her bikini photos.
Rise accepting "she just sometimes wants her breasts photod (:" is genuinely funny character development and entirely dystopian.
> I bet its really cool for a teenage girl to be surrounded by people paid to take her bikini photos.
yes. OF and instagram being the ultimate examples of that. >Rise accepting "she just sometimes wants her breasts photod (:"
That is literally every woman ever, yes.
There's nothing hypocritical about the PTs stance towards changes of heart. They don't oppose anybody doing it just because they're changing people's hearts, they oppose others doing it because of the reason those people are changing people's hearts.
Everybody being happy is impossible and he would have to kill a bunch of people to do so.
For example in a fighting game, both players want to win and would be happy if they do but by pure design one must lose. Meaning for one to be happy, the other one must be sad.
This applies to absolutely everything and anything from romantic relationships to sports to jobs, etc.
It's simply impossible.
>Fighting games are designed such that there is a loser >Therefore we need to tolerate rape
Fighting games are a pleasurable activity and both players agree to play understanding that only one person wins each round. They'd have no conflict whatsoever with Maruki's world.
>Fighting games are designed such that there is a loser >Therefore we need to tolerate rape
That's a nice leap in logic there. Maruki made a world where everybpdy is happy regradless of what makes them happy which is wrong in itseñf. Most gays here would be really happy if all blacks and trannies didn't exists which interferes with those people's happines as well.
>Maruki made a world where everybpdy is happy regradless of what makes them happy
Not quite, Maruki's world is one where suffering is minimized. It's not that everybody's hooked up to a morphine IV drip, it's that choices resulting in harm to yourself or others are diverted. >Most gays here would be really happy if all blacks and trannies didn't exists
In this instance Maruki would go back and prevent them from being taught bigotry by their family, society and Ganker. Irrational hate is probably one of the easiest things for him to fix.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Maruki's world is one where suffering is minimized. It's not that everybody's hooked up to a morphine IV drip, it's that choices resulting in harm to yourself or others are diverted.
Correct. So to keep to the analogy: there won't ever be a problem with infighting over fighting games, because there won't ever be fighting games. Maruki will simply wipe them from existence.
Did you used to REALLY like playing fighting games?
Too bad. You get a new favorite pastime assigned.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Except competitive sports still exist. Maruki switched a guy from painting to archery because he was happier in the latter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I used fighting games as an easy example, but in everything in life you have to compete in some form.
All sports are competitive, trying to get a job means you've got to beat all the other people applying for the same job. Trying to get a girlfriend means you have to beat all the other guys aiming for her.
I can keep going, but I would take all day.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying to get a girlfriend means you have to beat all the other guys aiming for her.
Funny you used that as an example.
The game literally shows you that Maruki's solution to that, is to make you fall in love with someone else.
9 months ago
Anonymous
> fall in love with someone else.
Which fails to take that someone else's thoughts into consideration.
Again, Maruki's world is full of dumb contradictions that simply do not work unless you wipe out half the population and brainwash the remaining ones.
Everybody being happy is impossible and he would have to kill a bunch of people to do so.
For example in a fighting game, both players want to win and would be happy if they do but by pure design one must lose. Meaning for one to be happy, the other one must be sad.
This applies to absolutely everything and anything from romantic relationships to sports to jobs, etc.
It's simply impossible.
Also it's hard to make everyone happy when you, yourself, aren't happy. And when you're not happy, you can lose yourself and become corrupted. I don't remember, but I feel like the game acknowledges the fact that Maruki like Yaldabaoth, just wants what they feel is best for humanity, but were tainted by humanity.
>And when you're not happy, you can lose yourself and become corrupted
This isn't relevant in Maruki's case because his powers stem from his palace which is founded on his distorted desires. If those changed (eg were stolen) then his palace collapses and his reality with it. Everything would shift back to how reality would have progressed without Maruki's intervention like they did after Day of Fates.
>turns a teenager into a vegetable and makes everyone who ever loved him forget he ever existed because he was conflicted over a decision that involved the entire planet
Maruki had a Messiah complex, seeing himself as the one true savior.
His deadly sin is Hubris - more commonly referred to as Pride, under the modern 7 deadly sins - but it used to be listed separately as an 8th sin. The superlative sin; to see oneself as equal to God.
>His deadly sin is Hubris
No, every character's sin is stated explicitly by their will seed. Maruki's is Sorrow, which makes sense as his distorted desire origin object is the news clipping about Rumi's assault.
That works as well. Sorrow/despair aka 'tristitia' in Latin, is also one of the original eight sins before the Cathlotic church merged it with sloth ('acedia') to make room for envy ('invidia').
>Maruki doesn't really fit into the deadly sin motif
He does, actually. Persona just works off of an older model than the standard modern seven.
That works as well. Sorrow/despair aka 'tristitia' in Latin, is also one of the original eight sins before the Cathlotic church merged it with sloth ('acedia') to make room for envy ('invidia').
When they starting charging money for costumes instead of making them unlockable through in game progression.
lol fight authority and the big bad adults with this new $50 DLC! and don't forget the triple dip into modern consoles! rise up gamers!!!
>Why is it okay for you to make criminals repent but it's not okay for me to brainwash hundreds of people into being mindless consumers under cruel monarchs whom I trap in a jail formed of their worst memories and cover up murders and suicides? >Don't you realize we're the exact same? In fact you're the real villains
In all fairness. It's never quite explained how much of the Jails is Akira's doing and how much of it is Emma and Ichinose's. Emma flat out lies to Akira all the time. The story shows this on multiple counts.
>turns a teenager into a vegetable and makes everyone who ever loved him forget he ever existed because he was conflicted over a decision that involved the entire planet
I mean. What if a pretty girl was a tease. She blue-balled men for years because she's like it; And then you meet her shadow and you defeat her and force her to frick all the men she blue-balled through the year and become a trad-wife afterward.
Its the shonen way, just look at naruto being all about who has the best bloodline by the end
naruto was like that from the start
>tfw Neji was right all along
Yes. Neji who complained about how things are decided by your birth proceeded to lose to...Naruto, a guy who thanks to the Nine Tails chakra was a natural counter to his mastered Gentle Fist. And then Naruto talked shit to him and said that destiny can be changed. Bravo Kishimoto.
He was always right. Even the one true example he might have been wrong about (i.e Lee) he is still correct about because Lee is a natural born genius in manipulating the 8 gates, and also did fricking nothing after part 1.
thats not the point of naruto, but the actual story was told so horribly I dont blame most people for thinking that
Perhaps you should play a Persona game that's actually decently written instead of playing the shittier sequels?
P2 is literally the same thing you disingenuous shit. Arguably worse, at least P5 didn't do the FF8 shared orphanage amnesia plot like P2 did
sorry but that's an smt game
everyone knows persona starts at 3
If they ever remake this, what are the chances that Maya's outfit DOESN'T get completely changed?
Ann's outfit in the OP game is a lot more suggestive so I don't think they would change Maya's mayas.
In the context of P5S, Tony Starks Changes of Heart put people's souls inside Yaldabaoth's prison while the PT are busting them out. So yes they are objectively good and he is objectively bad. There was some moral relativism in the original game and the PT struggle with knowing if what they're doing is really correct all game long, but in Strikers there is no ambiguity, there is no hypocrisy
>There was some moral relativism in the original game
No there was not. Everyone the PT's went after were not only bad people, but were dragging everyone else into their nonsense and hurting untold amounts of people. They bring attention to it and say "is it really the right thing to do....?" yes the dude raping and abusing his students and yakuza dude forcing women into sex slavery to repay unfair loans are pieces of shit, it is of course morally correct.
>yes the dude raping and abusing his students and yakuza dude forcing women into sex slavery to repay unfair loans are pieces of shit, it is of course morally correct.
but you are robbing them of their free will by brainwashing them.
>robbing them of their free will
They got off too easy, frankly they should have been robbed of their life
They gave up their autonomy and freedom of choice once they decided to hurt innocent people
Bad thing (in which this case is physically making them feel bad) happening to bad people is perfectly fine, only midwits and the Japanese think going "whoa... it is really okay to change Ted Bundy's heart...? Maybe we're the same...." is somehow deep and thought provoking
Neither of you assess played P5. The reason why it was controversial is that changes of heart were putting people back in Yaldabaoth's prison. They had to do something because they couldn't leave the badguys running rampant but they ended up supporting the plan of the main villain. The true change of heart is social links, with the critical case being Sae who you naturally change through the social link. Your social links are the ones who are able to resist Yaldy's influence and who turn the public in your favor allowing you to summon Satanael.
I gotta give it to
The real problem is that they never agree that it was bad but "I did what they have to do" but get indignant and whiny. Which shows a level of amorality to their reasoning even if they were the nominal heroes.
>you are robbing them of their free will by brainwashing them.
You're not brainwashing them. You're quite literally just bruising their ego -- or rather: their id, if you want to get really technical about it -- enough for it to stop acting like a raving egocentric megalomaniac. Basically, you're giving them a slap across the face to bring them out of hysteria. At which point what follows is the catharsis and revelation of "oh shit; what the frick have I been doing?!" which their shadows *themselves* realize. They are arriving at that conclusion under pressure, maybe. But in the end the shadows reach the conclusion that what they'd been doing was wrong, of their own volition. And they promise to set things right in the real world for it.
What you're doing is giving them a mental enema and a clean reboot.
Preemptive reminder
>musou gameplay
I sleep
Japanese writing
twitter gays be like
>I don't have an IQ high enough to read and don't have friends
Why do people who haven't played the game think they can talk about the plot?
That image is moronic as frick
to be fair, a good portion of people do play the game, they just fundamentally misunderstand how shadows work because they WANT gay and troonys in their game. Basically, people need to die
The real problem with the shadows is that they talk about overcoming flaws but no one goes through any personality development beyond superficial shit.
>Overcoming flaws
Had nothing to do with overcoming flaws, it was about self acceptance. Character development is reflected in a Persona evolving into its true self.
Self acceptance based off of dumb fricking stereotypes
Thats...not much better. They were pretty shitty people.
You can't start becoming a better person until you face yourself.
True but they don't do that in the game.
what do you mean? I agree that P4's character development is almost non-existent, but the keyword is "almost". It's bad, but it's not completely irredeemable.
yosuke comes to terms with being a selfish c**t who proudly rides on the steed of a corp stomping on local businesses.
chie realises she was using yukiko for... idk social clout for being bffs with the popular girl?
yukiko kinda sorta measures what she actually wants to do when it comes to her family business vs her own ambitions, though this ends up being very vague
kanji figures out that liking cute shit doesn't make him a homosexual
teddie is a moron and his existence makes P4's quality actually nosedive
rise is also moronic and is built specifically to simp for the mc anyway
naoto drops the pretenses that she needs to be a man to do her job and goes with what she's given (and how)
I forgot about anyone else. anyway I fcuking hate teddie and morgana. they're so fricking moronic and they never shut the frick up, especially morgana
Eh...I can't give it credit for only doing it in small examples. It doesn't help that all the characters were unlikable in the base and the fricking best character was written to be okay with being a simp because she "might have respected you after all". Its poor writing all around and I ended up rooting for the whiny butthole villain because he was more likable by proxy.
>A person slowly coming to the realization that much like free speech has consequences, being yourself doesn't mean people have to like who you are
Who says video games don't teach people anything
It's the year of our Lord 2000+20+3, and Persona 4 STILL makes all the right people seethe.
You aren't playing as yourself in Persona even if the protagonist is silent.
Joker is literally me though???
superficial character development is too much for some people
None of the characters were gay.
None of the characters were transgender.
Chie actively wanted to be more feminine.
Yukiko had complicated feelings over the inn and ultimately decided she valued family and community over the romanticized idea of leaving for the big city.
Naito was just confused.
In fact, a lot of the characters were just confused about aspects of themselves.
It must really anger certain people, the idea that someone wasn't homosexual or transgender or whatever the hell, just confused and going through a phase they will ultimately grow out of.
>None of the characters were gay.
>None of the characters were transgender.
>Chie actively wanted to be more feminine.
>Yukiko had complicated feelings over the inn and ultimately decided she valued family and community over the romanticized idea of leaving for the big city.
>Naito was just confused.
>In fact, a lot of the characters were just confused about aspects of themselves.
This is the Watsonian understanding. Yes, in-game all of that is true. The image is question, from a Doylist perspective, why the authors decided the crazy shadows should all be
>homosexuality
>transgenderism
>not going along with family's wishes
>not following prescribed cultural expectations on masculinity or femininity
What's more likely-- that coincidentally the devs came up with character stories where every time the characters realize they're more comfortable falling in line with society?
Or that devs intentionally created a story that tells players the alternative behaviors are confusion/deviancy and to fall in line with traditional values?
It's almost certainly 2.
Most of those things are a direct result of Rise being a b***h
>Ha ha you're such a stupid dumb homosexual, Moronji
>Stop calling me that
>Everyone laughs
Also
>Naoto
>trans
Missed the whole point of her arc
Kanji is a total homosexual, even if he's not gay, and must be bullied. It's how people behaved before the woke mind-virus.
Glad today's world is civilized
For the clowns, the circus is civilized, I suppose. You are the clown, btw.
Why do zoomers get so outraged by "slurs"? you can call them cum guzzling boy molesting fruits and get no response but call them a moron and immediate pants shitting starts
Twitter users are braindead. We all know that.
Why do people keep posting Twitter screencaps?
Furthermore, why would you post the comment of someone that is clearly an SJW Pro LGBTQP+Ultra and that is mad about Naoto not being trans and Kanji not being gay?
What a worthless post.
>Rise and Rise's problems start off realistic as a somehow extremely self-aware idol puts behind her a world that treats her like shit
>Rise sees a younger model with her older manager
>loses her FRICKING MIND and has to go back
I couldn't believe it when I saw it, it was such whiplash to go back to the industry wienersucking that you can only really assume Rise was legitimately groomed in-universe and had a meltdown when she wasn't the cow anymore.
She likes being an idol. Loves it actually. She just wants to be able to be herself when she's not being Risette.
Yeah I bet its really cool for a teenage girl to be surrounded by people paid to take her bikini photos.
Rise accepting "she just sometimes wants her breasts photod (:" is genuinely funny character development and entirely dystopian.
> I bet its really cool for a teenage girl to be surrounded by people paid to take her bikini photos.
yes. OF and instagram being the ultimate examples of that.
>Rise accepting "she just sometimes wants her breasts photod (:"
That is literally every woman ever, yes.
There's nothing hypocritical about the PTs stance towards changes of heart. They don't oppose anybody doing it just because they're changing people's hearts, they oppose others doing it because of the reason those people are changing people's hearts.
Do any of the Strikers antagonists measure up to how kino Maruki was?
>Everyone's distorted desire is a deadly sin
>Except his is compassion
No.
>forces his kindness on others
>removes them from their own lives to live a fantasy
Its kino but he had to go.
He was going to warp reality at the end of the deadline though. It's not a fantasy if you can make it literally real.
There are other SMT universe specific problems with his plans but Persona would never acknowledge its in the SMT multiverse.
almost 3 years later and there's still not a single good argument against Maruki
Everybody being happy is impossible and he would have to kill a bunch of people to do so.
For example in a fighting game, both players want to win and would be happy if they do but by pure design one must lose. Meaning for one to be happy, the other one must be sad.
This applies to absolutely everything and anything from romantic relationships to sports to jobs, etc.
It's simply impossible.
>Fighting games are designed such that there is a loser
>Therefore we need to tolerate rape
Fighting games are a pleasurable activity and both players agree to play understanding that only one person wins each round. They'd have no conflict whatsoever with Maruki's world.
>Fighting games are designed such that there is a loser
>Therefore we need to tolerate rape
That's a nice leap in logic there. Maruki made a world where everybpdy is happy regradless of what makes them happy which is wrong in itseñf. Most gays here would be really happy if all blacks and trannies didn't exists which interferes with those people's happines as well.
Life itself is pvp se we would all be dead.
>Maruki made a world where everybpdy is happy regradless of what makes them happy
Not quite, Maruki's world is one where suffering is minimized. It's not that everybody's hooked up to a morphine IV drip, it's that choices resulting in harm to yourself or others are diverted.
>Most gays here would be really happy if all blacks and trannies didn't exists
In this instance Maruki would go back and prevent them from being taught bigotry by their family, society and Ganker. Irrational hate is probably one of the easiest things for him to fix.
>Maruki's world is one where suffering is minimized. It's not that everybody's hooked up to a morphine IV drip, it's that choices resulting in harm to yourself or others are diverted.
Correct. So to keep to the analogy: there won't ever be a problem with infighting over fighting games, because there won't ever be fighting games. Maruki will simply wipe them from existence.
Did you used to REALLY like playing fighting games?
Too bad. You get a new favorite pastime assigned.
Except competitive sports still exist. Maruki switched a guy from painting to archery because he was happier in the latter.
I used fighting games as an easy example, but in everything in life you have to compete in some form.
All sports are competitive, trying to get a job means you've got to beat all the other people applying for the same job. Trying to get a girlfriend means you have to beat all the other guys aiming for her.
I can keep going, but I would take all day.
>Trying to get a girlfriend means you have to beat all the other guys aiming for her.
Funny you used that as an example.
The game literally shows you that Maruki's solution to that, is to make you fall in love with someone else.
> fall in love with someone else.
Which fails to take that someone else's thoughts into consideration.
Again, Maruki's world is full of dumb contradictions that simply do not work unless you wipe out half the population and brainwash the remaining ones.
Make life a co-op game
>pvp is no more
Solved
Also it's hard to make everyone happy when you, yourself, aren't happy. And when you're not happy, you can lose yourself and become corrupted. I don't remember, but I feel like the game acknowledges the fact that Maruki like Yaldabaoth, just wants what they feel is best for humanity, but were tainted by humanity.
>And when you're not happy, you can lose yourself and become corrupted
This isn't relevant in Maruki's case because his powers stem from his palace which is founded on his distorted desires. If those changed (eg were stolen) then his palace collapses and his reality with it. Everything would shift back to how reality would have progressed without Maruki's intervention like they did after Day of Fates.
>turns a teenager into a vegetable and makes everyone who ever loved him forget he ever existed because he was conflicted over a decision that involved the entire planet
Maruki had a Messiah complex, seeing himself as the one true savior.
His deadly sin is Hubris - more commonly referred to as Pride, under the modern 7 deadly sins - but it used to be listed separately as an 8th sin. The superlative sin; to see oneself as equal to God.
>His deadly sin is Hubris
No, every character's sin is stated explicitly by their will seed. Maruki's is Sorrow, which makes sense as his distorted desire origin object is the news clipping about Rumi's assault.
Sorrow is a sin?
That works as well. Sorrow/despair aka 'tristitia' in Latin, is also one of the original eight sins before the Cathlotic church merged it with sloth ('acedia') to make room for envy ('invidia').
Maruki doesn't really fit into the deadly sin motif, honestly he doesn't really fit the rest of the narrative at all.
>Maruki doesn't really fit into the deadly sin motif
He does, actually. Persona just works off of an older model than the standard modern seven.
its okay if you're an attractive teenage protagonist
P5 is hypocritical on a number of points despite its core message
They're not. The phantom thieves are just lawchads
When they starting charging money for costumes instead of making them unlockable through in game progression.
lol fight authority and the big bad adults with this new $50 DLC! and don't forget the triple dip into modern consoles! rise up gamers!!!
>Why is it okay for you to make criminals repent but it's not okay for me to brainwash hundreds of people into being mindless consumers under cruel monarchs whom I trap in a jail formed of their worst memories and cover up murders and suicides?
>Don't you realize we're the exact same? In fact you're the real villains
In all fairness. It's never quite explained how much of the Jails is Akira's doing and how much of it is Emma and Ichinose's. Emma flat out lies to Akira all the time. The story shows this on multiple counts.
Might makes right.
Reminder that Maruki was right.
Japanese people are great at aesthetics but are absolutely dreadful writers and tend to be two faced hypocrites when it comes to morals
I mean. What if a pretty girl was a tease. She blue-balled men for years because she's like it; And then you meet her shadow and you defeat her and force her to frick all the men she blue-balled through the year and become a trad-wife afterward.
That'd be morally good, right?
genuine brainrot here.