Why are there SO many videos about how to "fix Gen 2"? That game was supposed to be a more traditional sequel. You can't just look at those games in isolation, you have to see them from when they were released. The Pokemon formula wasn't being pumped out yet. They wanted to give fans some new stuff along with the old stuff, some new surprise evo's alongside familiar faces.
It feels like so many people view those games with the same mentality as RSE or DPPt when it's closer to a sequel than your usual Pokemon game.
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because of people like PRO NUZLOCKER brainwashing zoomers into thinking Gen 2 is unplayable
Just like he brainwashed Jaiden into riding his wiener
that little homosexual is still too scared to nuzlocke clover kek
The same reason there's so many threads currently shitting on Gen 1/2.
Resentful zoomers that worship Game Freak have no taste or opinions of their own, they only take commands from higher up.
tbf one of them is actually making a rom hack
Yeah Smith something. On one hand he annoys me just with his voice and how he presents but at the same time I love how happy he is and how much fun he seems to be having. So good on him even if all he is doing is changing 4s to 5s and swapping out mons.
Zoomers don't remember pokemania. That's why.
Gen 2 killed pokemania
gen3*
>johtoddlers thinking their game isn’t shit and calling people zoomers for hating it
lel
shut up Black person I had a mobile phone in crystal and my game mom would call me on it
Lol, G/S/C games literally established the pokemon brand in western countries you moron, arguably moreso than the anime.
As if you necessarily needed "good moves" to beat a Pokemon game.
I'm using Xatu and Crobat (well my Golbat hadn't evolved yet) in my Crystal team and I'm doing just fine.
trust me Xatu will be useless in the E4
This is the most pathetic cope. You want good moves because it makes the game more enjoyable. I swear, if Gen 2 had everything learn nothing but Tackle you'd still be saying the same thing.
I wouldn't, I actually look up movesets to make decisions, but I won't avoid using a Pokemon I feel like trying out just because it cannot learn the best moves.
It's fun to make the best use out of a limited tool, too.
Maybe, but Xatu especially just has an abysmal movepool. It's borderline unusuable without wasting TMs and it's not like giving it something as basic as Confusion would suddenly ruin the challenge for you.
I wanted to use a Psychic type but I don't want to use Pokemon I don't like in terms of design ... I don't really want to rely on Espeon again, it's my favorite Pokemon but I use it way too often.
I'm not sure what else to use, I'm fine with having a low-performing Pokemon if the alternative is using something I dislike.
That's all well and good, but what's wrong with improving its movepool? Don't you want your well-designed bro to perform better? Not every pokemon has to be a powerhouse but at some point I have to draw the line with poor design choices.
I guess not, it's up to the player to decide whether it's worth it. The difference is that most psychic types don't have to rely on TMs to get a decent STAB so it feels more organic. But I think having a movepool bad enough to force TM usage like that is bad game design unless the pokemon compensates for it in other ways (like having really good stats.)
the only reason I agree with Xatu's movepool being lackluster is due to how hard it is to find. It is a unique-looking mon that is rare to find and when you get it it just sucks. If it was an early-route bird sure, but come on.
A lot of rare pokemon aren't good in battles. On the one hand I kind of respect it because it's less predictable but it gives you less incentive to seek them out.
Sure, but at that point you're just settling for mediocrity. You could beat the game with an Unown if you wanted, but that doesn't make Unown any less of a disappointment.
Oh sure, I wouldn't be against it, I'm just saying that technically it's not the end of the world since you can still beat the game even with an occasionally dead weight or two.
NTA but is it really a waste of a TM if the Pokemon is going to part of your main party?
Ahem
I'd genuinely have more fun with a lot of Johto Pokemon if they were allowed to have good moves. Most of them just don't get anything. The fact Gen 2 is ridiculously easy outside of rare select spots does not change the fact my potential for fun is limited by how Bug-types not named Heracross can't have good Bug-type moves, and Crobat can't learn Sludge Bomb for no legitimate reason.
Actually, Nidoking and Nidoqueen can't learn Sludge Bomb, either. That's stupid, too.
Someone said that Game Freak intentionally gave most Gen2 pokemom shit level up moves and made them wait too long to get good moves as one of the examples of game freak sabotage Gen2 Pokémon so everyone would hate them for being weak to stop them from overshadowing the Gen1 pokemon, though that doesn’t quite work since most Gen1 pokemon have similarly bad movepool back then, so they would have to have been trying to sabotage the whole Game Play of GSC to make RBY look better, but that’s just moronic. So it’s safe to assume that none of that is true and that game freak just fricked up and and underestimated how long getting to to the 60’s in levels is.
>So it’s safe to assume that none of that is true and that game freak just fricked up and and underestimated how long getting to to the 60’s in levels is.
Taking into account the game is somewhat longer and that you can get your party to level 60 halfway through kanto it doesn't look like a bad design choice. I think its all fricked up by the level scalling.
As much as I love Xatu, it objectively has a horrible movepool in gen 2. It doesn't learn anything that can do proper damage until psychic at level freaking 65. It pretty is useless for the Johto section since all the psychic TMs are in the post-game.
One Youtuber is milking his romhack for as many videos by explaining every little choice. If you don't like it don't watch it. But actually talking about and proposing changes to game design is better than the level of conversation I get from you frickers here.
Go stay there then, shill.
homie I can't watch YouTube videos at work dumbass.
>says homie instead of Black person
>has a job
>doesn't know how to use a proxy
just fricking kys
homosexual a proxy wouldn't solve my issue. Also why should I kill myself when you have no jobs and I have 2?
>why should I kill myself when I am a double wagie working at 11:43PM?
KEK
What kind of water Black person timezone you living in?
>thinks the problem is evading an internet filter, rather than actually having to do work at work instead of watching youtube videos about pokémon all day
102 iq post
Stay where? I already watched all his romhack videos. The comment section is not a going to scratch the same itch. Why can't we just talk about game design more in depth independently of youtubers? Is that too much to ask?
You know you don't need Ganker premium or whatever to make a thread, right?
I make threads but people suck at responding to them. They would rather just jack off and engage in meaningless aggression like yours?
Wow, we really live in a society!
Are you implying we don't?
People do discuss it, you just don't like what people here say. The guy's videos are shallow as frick and he clearly doesn't even understand the game.
Show me an active thread talking about game design on a more in depth level than his videos then.
zoomers haven't played gen 2 the intended way (as a Part 2 to gen 1, with gen 3 being the first completely removed gen) so they don't get that.
you partly answered your own question, Because Gen 2 works differently from later generations, people who grew up with later games would naturally think that Gen 2 needs to be more like the later games they grew up with.
Ironically the person who made the OP video is a Gen 2 fan, and even considers Crystal one of their favorite games, and is making a rom-hack of it and seeing as many of their changes seem to be buffing Gen 2 Pokemon and making Gen 2 Pokemon show up more, that supports the idea that they like Gen 2 but just want it to be more like other generations in certain ways.
However, much of the current fixation on Gen 2 "flaws" is due to shills for newer gens using Gen 2 as a scapegoat to deflect from the glaring problems of new games.
>Why are there SO many videos about how to "fix Gen 2"?
because they're not very good games
Because they're looking at past gens through the view of modern gens. Are they right to do so? I don't have an opinion on that point, but that's likely why.
>Why are there SO many videos about how to "fix Gen 2"?
Because it needs fixing.
Some pokemon are just painfully unfun to use
this is a good video though
unironically the way to fix gen2 is endgame content. biggest problem with that game. you couldnt even get good TM moves like ice beam until crystal added a move tutor
>has the entire previous region as a postgame
>needs endgame content to be fixed
>A boss rush with one of the worst Rocket stories
I mean yes it's admirable that they crammed Kanto in there, but it's neutered and wastes most new ideas. I can see what they're going for - going back to Pallet Town in full color is pretty based, but the charm doesn't last.
Gen 1 had shit moves too you just had earlier access to actually GOOD tms like Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, or Body Slam
It's why if you're a special attacker having hands is a huge boost because you can buy elemental punches
The fanbase is overrun by Unova zoomers who don't understand how sequels work and start crying whenever a game doesn't fit Unova's braindead gameplay of having every new Pokemon easily available on every route with moronicly broken 120BP+ powered STAB moves handed to them for free.
Was US/UM a good sequel?
back to discord
Crystal Clear is all you need
>new Black person npcs
>self-insert champion
>dark skin so they must be black
Nah they ruined all good will with the e4
I appreciate the extra starter choices and the following pokemon SOVL, but plain boss rushes aren't appealing
>no good moves
>posts two flying types and a water type
What did the moron mean by this?
are you ACTUALLY implying Xatu learns any good flying type moves?
It gets Drill Peck through breeding.
Fly and Surf are infinite, moron-chan
Crobat is also like the worst possible Flying type to pick, Sludge Bomb is like the strongest TM you get completely for free
>Using fly on Xatu with its shitty attack stat
This has to be some good ol' moronic trolling
>he's never played an old game
Crobat doesn't learn Sludge Bomb in Gen 2
Crobat doesn't learn sludge bomb in gen 2, not that you'll need it anyway considering considering there's no fairies.
>"How to save gen 2"
>Posts a bunch of ideas
>Said ideas are promptly then lost in the void because trying to "save" a 24 year old game is a futile effort
Get a time machine and then we'll talk about "saving" gen 2.
>it's totally okay a majority of the pokemon in this games highest STAB move is if you get lucky with hidden power DVs
>morons thinking crobat needs "moves when his speed is MAXIMUM
Hitmontop would've been a better example of this. That homie is WACK. Also most ground types.
But one of the youtubers is making a romhack no-one will play
I can't believe crobat doesn't learn sludge bomb in gen 2. Even then flying, poison and dragon had bad moves and bad move distribution back then.
>surf anf ice beam aren't "good" for kingdra
>Psychic not a "good" move for Xatu
Crobat is a different case
Because Gen II is honestly one of the worst old gens. Every innovation that it made was ruined by the absolutely dog shit level curve. Even the catch 'em all was made worse, because most of the new mechanics require a guide and are mostly RNG even once you have one.
Ice Beam is only a TM in Gen I.
You can teach it in cristal
to be fair movesets in the first 2 gens especially are pretty brutal sometimes. youre right that pokemon had a different design philosophy at the time which explains it, but that doesn't mean people can't dislike that about them
It’s just awful seeing some pokemon with amazing type coverage and stats to abuse it and the other pokemon have like one actual attacking move
Stay away from Gen 3
Because Johto was always held together with hope and bubblegum and time has done nothing to hide that.
HGSS/Gen 4's general changes did a lot of good to the Johto cast. Sudowoodo getting Rock Head to pair with Wood Hammer along with attacking Rock moves makes him fantastic ingame.
Whenever you see johto fans say all criticism is just "zoomers manipulated by youtubers", remember where they got the idea in the first place.
How do you see Gen 6
and it was a poor design philosophy that leaves itself open to heavy criticism