I got a few games for the 3DS after hearing the Eshop was closing and pic related was one of them. While trying to find a cheap copy (lmao), I saw lot of people trashing on them for their lack of difficulty. I wanted to play for myself to check and while they were easy, it was just as easy as any other game in the series? For some context, the last games I played prior to this were Heart Gold and Soul Silver when they were the newest games. Is there anything about it that makes them even more easy?
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Probably a kneejerk response after BW2 had Challenge Mode (which wasn't even that much harder than normal anyway). Also IIRC there was a gift Torchic available when the games were new and Mega Blaziken tore absolute ass, so anyone who used it when the games were new had an even easier time than usual.
Probably due to the following, and I say this as someone who genuinely likes XY
>first game to add affection bonuses to exp via Amie, same goes for the bonuses to critical hits, dodging, removing status effects, 1 hp, etc
>first game to add a multiplicative, party-wide exp share, but this fortunately was still optional. I've done playthroughs with and without it, and not using it feels similar to any of the previous games in terms of leveling compared to opponents.
>free Mega starters at the start including Torchic as said, as well as a Kanto one. Also a gift Mega Lucario later on
>first game to really give me a feeling of being led by the hand via npcs and dialogue.
>the switch to pure 3D included a simplifying of routes and dungeons, making them much easier to navigate. Compare the Flare Hideout to the Game Corner Rocket Hideout in Kanto, its nigjt and day. This isn't exclusive to Pokemon, it's something I've noticed in other RPGs that mad a switch to 3D
That's pretty much all I can think of. I've played every gen from 2-8, and even back in 2013 I noticed a substantial change in the games from BW2 to XY, and these changes have only increased in later generations
Again, I like XY, but this is the honest truth.
AAAAAAAAAA NONONO YOURE LYING A TRUE KALOSCHAD WOULD NEVER SAY THIS
The game has the Exp. Share turned on by default, implying the game was balanced around using it, but using it will leave you about 10 levels above Diantha even playing conservatively.
because the e4 had four pokemon each instead of five. this was a major shock for fans of the series.
A trend that started with BW tho.
bw compensated with better AI and a level curve that was competitive unless you grinded
XY remedies nothing and is just easy as frick
>bw compensated with better AI
The AI is identical to XY and doesn’t fix the dogshit pokemon they use
> and a level curve that was competitive
Overleveling in BW is absurdly easy, I’ve done multiple playthroughs of both BW and BW2 and by midgame I always end up with at least 1 or 2 pokemon 10+ levels above the gym leader’s ace
I’m convinced at this point that anyone who uses the term “level curve” in an argument is a complete moron
>The AI is identical to XY
false, the3 game code on average uses a higher skill level in BW than XY
>overleveling is easy
That's every game, but you can simply refrain from doing it. In XY, it's HARD to NOT overlevel because more playstyles will result in overleveled teams, which is why they put more focus on raising even more mons to take away attention from this glaring hole in their level design.
>because more playstyles will result in overleveled teams
where
>where
in the game ? What are you saying
>nope
Stop denying what is literally in the game
>this isn't an argument
It is, you just failed to understand it. Playing the same way in both games yields a more overleveled team in XY. You have to go MORE out of your way to not overlevel in XY than you do in BW. Forget about the EXP share, the amount of EXP the game hurls at you without you going out of your way to get more is simply more than you need to defeat what comes next for the entire game.
in bw I am nearly always below level and can grind on audino without going over gym levels
xy I don't think I ever got the chance to grind (no exp share)
>Playing the same way in both games yields a more overleveled team in XY.
The issue with the exp share is multiplied because XY was also the first game that didn't split EXP, it multiplied it. Sure, the mons who didn't battle don't get full EXP, but no EXP is subtracted if multiple pokemon all battled. It also removed Gen V's EXP scaling, which helped prevent you from overlevelling too much.
When I do a playthrough of BW, I tend to outlevel Skyla because all the Pokemon in the surrounding area evolve in the late 30s, and I ALWAYS forget her pokemon are in the low 30s. That's about the only time I end up overleveled, but that one time always basically sets me up for the lategame. If you're overleveling yourself in BW, it's definitely your own doing, unlike with XY, where it just happens by playing the game normally.
>When I do a playthrough of BW, I tend to outlevel Skyla because all the Pokemon in the surrounding area evolve in the late 30s, and I ALWAYS forget her pokemon are in the low 30s. That's about the only time I end up overleveled, but that one time always basically sets me up for the lategame. If you're overleveling yourself in BW, it's definitely your own doing, unlike with XY, where it just happens by playing the game normally.
I definitely should replay XY after all these years. The one playthrough I did was with the Exp Share since surely the games are balanced around this mandatory item that's turned on by default.
I doubt it'll be hard anyways, but maybe I'll get some more enjoyment out of it.
>false
nope
> but you can simply refrain from doing it
nothing is stopping you from playing like a moron and turning off exp share and using shitmons in XY too, this isn’t an argument
>Overleveling in BW is absurdly easy, I’ve done multiple playthroughs of both BW and BW2 and by midgame I always end up with at least 1 or 2 pokemon 10+ levels above the gym leader’s ace
I'm genuinely curious how this happens. I've done multiple runs of BW recently and I need to consistently grind on Audinos to match levels (Not that there's a reason to do that on a normal playthrough)
I'm not saying you're lying, but I find it bizarre that there are people who somehow have such a radically different experience of the game.
>I'm genuinely curious how this happens
by not training 6+ pokemon simultaneously like a moron for gyms that only use 3 pokemon at most
So you play autistically. Got it.
That seems to be the typical way to play. If you don't play that way, that's fine, but you don't need to be a dick about it.
XY is actually much more fun with a team of like 10 pokemon you rotate between.
>That seems to be the typical way to play
By who? Even kids realize spamming A with 1 or 2 Pokemon and filling the rest of the team with HM slaves is the most braindead and low effort way to play the game.
because that's not fun and i want to have a varied team of mons who can handle any situation i might run into, whether i will or not. it's why most people use a fire/water/grass core in most playthroughs even though grass is fricking worthless as an attacking type ingame if you've got water/electric, which of course you do.
>because that's not fun
neither is grinding up the lv20 vanillite to beat skyla when my lv45 emboar can already do it effortlessly.
you appear to be taking this game way too seriously
what's the fun of pokemon to you? winning?
>what's the fun of pokemon to you?
exploring, battle facilities and pvp
all of which BW is terrible at, go figure!
>Why do you need to grind?
I don't. I just use Emboar and click the A button 3 times instead.
Huh, okay. I don't have the same opinion as you but I understand your perspective. I hope you can try to understand other's, too.
>she has to grind to keep her pokemon leveled
lol
Why do you need to grind? Because of how BW EXP scaling works, you can just slap an EXP Share on the thing, play normally and have it more or less caught up, and then you can gap the difference in levels with you know, strategy. That thing RPGs usually have.
The game is not a letter of challenge to speedrunners or a to-do list. It's a game. Pressing A over and over is not fun.
Seems to be the way the game is designed. The npcs mention your party size and how you should diversify your team even in gen 1. XY adding the new exp share only makes sense if they intend you to carry a leveled team with you.
Not to say this is the only way to play, you can overlevel your starter or whatever but I can safely say that's a less fun way to play the game for me.
they might be that one autist that goes out of their way to only use a couple of pokemon in playthroughs in an attempt to "prove" that the x and y aren't too easy
if so, you're better off treating them like a joke the same way everyone else does
>Get a snorlax before the second gym
>Get access to 600+ bst megas after the 3rd gym
>Generally just way easier to put together a competent team since Pokémon, even pseudos, are so readily available.
>Exp share means you and your team of powerful mons that you put together effortlessly will be a good 10-20 levels higher than literally everyone you battle without even grinding
It’s pretty obvious what makes XY easier than past Gens, idk why people get caught up arguing about any of the other details and how Gens 1-5 share those, when the above reasons are far and away the biggest factors in making it easy, and they’re things that are exclusive to gen 6+
The issue with this logic is assuming people want to build a competent team, and it even takes away from the fact that the games are piss easy even without any of those Pokemon.
Whether or not people want to or are going to make the games easier for themselves is irrelevant, you could easily turn off the EXP share, box all the OP mons you get, never use mega evolution and only use shitmons, and then the game would indeed be way harder, but you could say that about every Pokémon game. You can make literally every game is existence harder for yourself if you wanted.
What you can’t say about every Pokémon game, but CAN say about XY is that, if you wanted to, you could easily have a full team of 500+ BST mons and a 600+ BST mega by the 3rd gym, and you could have this team be 10+ levels above everything you battle without even needing to grind. Therefore XY are easier. And no amount of mental gymnastics is gonna change that fact
But there were no mental gymnastics involved. I quite literally said the games are piss easy even without accounting for taste.
It's been so long since I played through XY, I genuinely forgot they also introduced Amie. It was still optional at least, but frick.
I've been playing BW recently, and the handholding and constant interruptions really were present there too. I haven't gone back to BW2 yet, but I heard it has less of that?
>I've been playing BW recently, and the handholding and constant interruptions really were present there too.
Yes that was something I noticed too, though in fairness it wasn't nearly as blatant as what would come after. IIRC BW2 has less, but there's also a lot more to make up for it in the overall experience. Picrel is probably my favorite route in the whole franchise
Because DSgays are morons and were so young when they played them that they thought the games were actually hard.
>It’s pretty obvious what makes XY easier than past Gens
Literally none of what you listed makes the game any easier than catching a Darumaka or Scraggy or Sandile in BW and proceeding to curbstomp the entire game with them due to their moronicly broken moves and abilities.
>Because DSgays are morons and were so young when they played them that they thought the games were actually hard.
BW was actually a bit harder than previous games, just Ghetsis's fricking Hydreigon alone wiped me in my most recent playthrough, though that was because the fricker crit 3 focus blasts in a fricking row (and the other two didn't miss either) because I was trying not to overlevel myself and went into the E4 with all my mons at level 53, so he fricking outsped everything I had because his Hydreigon is EV'd like a competitive Pokemon.
Why are you so obsessed with DSgays? You really think only they say bad things about gen 6? Emeraldgays criticize ORAS's gyms all the time.
Didn't consider the EXP Share and Megas. For the former, I like putting in the time to level up my Pokémon so I kept it off and for the latter I didn't use it outside of the mandatory Lucario mirror match and don't know much about them besides that
I was pretty excited in the hype cycle leading up to release and then I only played it to 5th gym
>he bought
Check the important trainers pokemon and their movesets. That's why.
>huge variety of powerful mons from pretty much the start
>introduce Megas but only 2 NPCs have a Mega
>first game to try to mitigate the shitty AI by giving them less moves
>weird decisions with Gym Leaders like Ramos still having a Weepinbell instead of Victreebel, Olympia's ace is Meowstic, Wulfric's is Avalugg
The problem with Olympia is that she's supposed to have a double battle with both her Meowstics, but they forgot to put it in, despite Tate and Liza doing it just fine
>she's supposed to [FANFIC]
>It's fanfic to point out a failed execution that Gamefreak managed to do better in a previous gen
2 Masuda coins have been deposited in your account
Nta but if you’re claiming the game was intended to be a certain way without any proof at all then yes, it’s fanfic
Aces tend to differ all the time, so they aren't really debatable. Avalugg just happened to be a late game Ice Type and Gen 6 literally only had Aurourus and Avalugg
Gen 6 had an absolute dogshit amount of new Pokemon, cause they were jerking off mega evolutions, so they had very limited selections for Gym leader Aces
You get 2 Starters, one with a Guaranteed Mega that nobody ever uses against you except Lynsandere and the Champion
You also get a free Lucario with a Megastone
Gen 6 exp share was way too overpowered
I haven't played these since 2013 but one of my biggest issues was just how many gift pokemon you get so early in the game. You're blowing through shit with a mega Blaziken, your starter, a lucario, and a mega Kanto starter like 6 hours in. You have no time to catch anything to actually use on your team unless you want diggersby or vivillon
Mega evolution, EXP change, Full-party EXP share, trainer teams, lack of held items, and bad AI made the game piss easy even more so compared to previous games.
It also doesn’t help that this released after B2W2.
they were just the easiest pokemon games. not sure what else to say.
best game in the series
>buying a console solely to play pokemon and absolutely nothing else
Why do people do this
brain worms
The person played a lot of pokemon, I don't think it was wasted
Sure, but how do you even reach a point to where Pokemon and its spinoffs are the only games you are willing to play?
On nintendo ds. Computer games i play others. I like shooters
Yeah bro im europoor, so what?
There are probably lots of reasons. Not a big gamer but still like pokemon, busy and don't get to try new games so stick with a familiar franchise.
You are just a casual
LOL Imagine playing pokemon for that much time. The only game I got to 1000+ on 3DS was Smash, and online at that. Pokemon gets stale after 100 hours at best. You probably play competitive and more than 50% of those 2k hours were spent on "breeding" and similar bullshit. Id rather play animal crossing than do that
1000 hours in just short of 8 years is not a long time, it just shows dedication
I have more than quadruple that in CSGO in 9 years
I racked up about 20,000 hours in WoW over 15 years of playing.
I once got the addon that adds up your play time and not even considering classic, which has at least another 50 days, I was at nearly 500 days played.. help me
playing only one series is the literal definition of casual
All those playtimes combined isn’t even that much, I know plenty of people who have 10k+ hours in some games, while still finding the time to actually play a variety of other games. Seems like you’re the casual
it's the only console you can play pokemon in?
on top of buying a console solely to play pokemon and absolutely nothing else, you're an esl
not surprised whatsoever
EXP share being on by default is different from just powerleveling a single Pokemon. If your powerleveled Pokemon gets stomped in an older game due to bad luck or a bad matchup or just forgetting to go to a center for a bit, you've basically lost the fight. EXP share basically gives you the benefits of both solo runs and balanced runs at the same time, so instead of having one Pokemon 5-10 levels above everything else and a team of shitters, you'll have one Pokemon 10 levels above everything else and the rest of your team at 5 levels above everything else.
>pokemon
>exploring
lol
lmao
that's probably my favourite part of pokemon, too
Whats your favorite exploration part? Mine is when i explore the minds of morons who think pokemon has good exploration.
I think that the moment you get surf in johto and hoenn are excellent. many areas you have seen before and now don't accessible, with new pokemon and TMs to discover. It's really quite fun. Now go be a stinker somewhere else.
>many areas you have seen before and now don't accessible
can you type that again
and are now accessible
Thanks.
I could see why you think pokemon games have bad exploration when you do nothing but replay the shitty DS games constantly.
sinnoh exploration is fun, and bw has some nice areas to explore, too. I think most pokemon games are pretty solid in that regard.
>sinnoh exploration is fun
walking and clicking A in front of rocks isn't fun
Interacting with things in all Pokemon games involves using the A button.
Based as frick, I’m tired of people pretending it’s somehow inherently shit, cutting down trees and smashing rocks to open up new paths just adds flavour to the exploration, I’m not an ADHD autist who needs to get to the next location ASAP, I like to savour my adventure and immerse myself in the experience.
yeah. it's just plain good game design. your human brain naturally wants to overcome obstacles, Ave the more inconvenient they are, the greater the feeling of mastery when you overcome it.
travelling around hoenn quickly without fly is probably the best thing in the series to be, what a week designed region.
If you don't think so, that's fine. For me, exploring mt coronet with your full hm loadout is awesome.
But DS games have the "best" exploration out of any pokemon games?
that's gotta be hoenn
Yeah, a DS game.
fair enough. If you really do like oras you have my respect.
Exploration is arguably the best part of Pokémon games, primarily because it’s so closely tied to the main goal of discovering new Pokémon. Typically new Areas = new pokemon
I dont think walking straight line to a new route to catch new pokemon is something i would count as exploration.
>Yet another moron who thinks Pokémon routes are straight lines
They’re depicted as lines on the map but they usually have a main path + alternative paths and optional off shoots, many of which require HMs so you need to actually take a mental note and remember to come back later. There’s plenty of exploration to be had, you just like pretending their isn’t and claiming that going anywhere in Pokémon is a straight line. Consider the fact that not everyone is like you and memorized the correct paths and the locations of all the important, so to them they’d actually need to discover that stuff by, if you can fricking believe it, EXPLORING
Didn't read but you made some good points.
It's amazing how this one autist has been lurking the board for months, posting pictures of his single overleveled starter playthroughs while claiming the games are too easy, "hurr durr mash A," and people are still replying to him seriously.
And nobody has ever given any good arguments to how hes wrong. I think he won again.
>the NPCs are piss easy
>I can't play the game without min maxing
Hmm...
They always disappear when I try to treat them earnestly. It's kind of sad.
The problem with that dude is that he’s a try hard. He literally can’t comprehend that people might rather use a full team because it’s more fun instead of only using one mon because it’s the most sheerly efficient way to shit on the game.
aren't you in an even better position tho if you use a full team? that's the way you're meant to play the game, and in Gen VI+ all Pokemon participating in the battle get full experience. so your starter will be around the same level as it would be otherwise, unless you don't battle with it very much.
Using 6 Pokémon has some advantages, like you’re a lot less likely to be walled by a bad type match up, however that rarely measures up to the sheer level advantage you’ll get by sinking all your EXP into one mon. In gen 5 and 7+ this is mitigated as you gain less exp the more overleveled you are, but it’s still the quickest and most efficient way to beat any of the games. What it isn’t tho, is any fricking fun, which is why I find it hilarious when overleveled starter poster tries to pretend everyone who doesn’t play like him is moronic. They’re not moronic, they’re just prioritizing fun over sheer efficiency. Only an honest to god authentic autist wouldn’t be able to understand that
I played X for the second time in 2019. I decided to not use megas whatsoever to handicap myself. Only then, along with having a Wooper on my team that eventually gained 30 ribbons throughout 3 generations and using Ice types, did the game have something resembling balance.
The problem is that a competent trainer using megas just breaks the game, and megas are literally the point of the game. That and the post game got shoved into the multiplayer, so harder challenges beyond the obligatory battle tower were non-existent.
Nothing of this is real and you're one of the troonymericans in here that troony-sform sentences into questions for no reason at all. Learn to speak troony.
Even if you turn off Exp Share, X&Y is still easy. Just look as the number of Pokémon the gym leaders and elite four have. The hardest part was catching the legendary, and that is only because I insisted on catching it in a premier ball.
Pokémon needs the following options:
-Turn off Exp Share
- AI similar to the PLA AI
- Gym leaders with full teams
- Code enforced level caps similar to competitive.
That said, X&Y is a relaxing game. I like playing it in the winter since you end with the snowy region.