why aren't raipers and swashbuckler/musketeers seen as cool compared to samurai and katanas
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why aren't raipers and swashbuckler/musketeers seen as cool compared to samurai and katanas
According to who?
Weebs
Which weebs?
Lies
Bad '30s action movies and the many '50s parodies of said movies. A serious revisionist swashbuckler movie might save the genre but good luck getting that kind of thing made these days.
This guy gets it.
There were a few in the 80s and 90s. A lot of Flynning still though, no Unforgiven of swashbuckling. I think we're due for a new Zorro.
This, pretty much. If a thing is done too much, it eventually gets uncool through increasingly inferior interpretations of it and the parodies thereof. Even samurai and ninja's aren't considered as cool now as they were years ago. I'm an old homosexual, and I remember when I was a kid everyone thought samurai and ninja's were the hottest shit (and also nobody really knew the difference). Shuriken were banned along with balisongs and spring knives during a moral panic, which should tell you how cool everyone thought it was. Maybe they're still cool, but they're no longer "every 10 year old wants to be one" cool.
>errol flynn is...le bad!
Zoomer subhumans detected
Captain Blood is the greatest pirate movie of all time
Flynn hasn't been cool ever since he dodged the draft by catching syphilis.
Cope
Flynn lived a life of adventure you will never live. He killed people, fought as a boxer, robbed, fricked thousands of women and was a spy for the nazis in ww2
You are his inferior
I'm a better actor
you don't look anything like flynn
I can eat a really spicy pepper and then act like it's not spicy at all
Let's see him top that
Its because rapers are degenerates.
But regarding the rest its unironically because of foil fencing tournaments making it look incredibly gay.
Also the most popular ones are sorta childish ((zoro)
You sick fricks rape people with a sword? At least have the common courtesy to rape them with a penis.
But whatever. You could be worse. You could the rapiest.
>the swashbuckler starts rapier faster than eminem
I too watched the superior Archer's pretty damn mid spinoff.
I wound up enjoying it more than later Frisky Dingo, which got very convoluted and seemingly dependent on callbacks rather than jokes for its humor towards the end.
I really wished we got more Xtacles. I probably liked it more than Frisky Dingo for the reasons you stated, although I wasn't really cognizant of it at the time.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm also being a bit unfair, Xtacles didn't really get a chance to come into its own, though between Archer and Frisky Dingo it probably would've become overly convoluted and callback heavy over time as well.
I will say I loved the Xtacles commander guy, even if I liked the Frisky Dingo boss of the Xtacles more.
That's because they make swords look like floppy erections instead of something that can run you through. Also because electronic touch sensors removed the need to strike decisively. Fencing as a sport is pretty far removed from real swordfighting.
None of that is why foil (and sabre) is doodoo garbage. It's right of way. It's an unfortunate case of a rule being exploited and gamified such that it now enforces the exact opposite of the behavior it was intended to cultivate. Epee, which doesn't have it, is fine and more less like a bout of 15 duels to first blood.
Musketeers are classic.
Samurai have that whole bushido thing which makes it seem more refined. The spiritual aspect makes them seem like more than just dudes with swords.
Raipers and Fencing have always invoked the feeling and aethestic of Noblity and Aristocracy compared to Samurai which have a more "everyman" feel to it
> Raipers and Fencing have always invoked the feeling and aethestic of Noblity and Aristocracy compared to Samurai which have a more "everyman" feel to it
lol what? Samurai nothing like the common man, their aesthetic is that of a warrior class that will cut down commoners just to test the sharpness of their blades. Your probably thinking of Ninjas or martial artists in general.
nta, but nobility/aristocracy > warrior class
now if only that logic could apply with trannies
mutilation =/= being a woman
Rent free
So you like musketeers/swashbucklers more? The terms are kind of interchangeable anyway, like most aristocrats served in the armed forces in some capacity.
The European aristocracy literally derived its legitimacy from their ability to employ armed force. Knights were all nobility by definition. In fact, they almost exactly parallel the Japanese Samurai class in almost all aspects.
Once I started fencing with foils I temporarily became obnoxious whenever I'd get a tiny plastic sword
I think he's right. Ronin is a common part of the samurai genre. Dirty unkempt vagabond swordsmen like Mifune.
Rapiers by contrast aren't as associated with homeless slobs.
The problem here is that you two are talking about two different historical periods. There's the "samurai are a whole social caste of knights and sort of a minor nobility" period and then there's the "Japan gets unified after like 600 years of clan b***h fighting and the new guy in charge wants to modernize Japan and doesn't want a whole social caste of highly trained warriors who insist on sticking to past traditions, so he bans samurai overnight, resulting in those who don't want to give up their ways becoming ronin and just wandering around looking for purpose".
There's also the earlier "samurai are well trained horse archers in a land where soldiers barely wear armor and rarely use shields". They just shot and ran their way into becoming a knight caste
Yes, historically,
is right, but the topic of this thread is modern public perception, which does not care about history. It cares about fiction. Kurosawa films. The Last Samurai. Etc.
Kurosawa films deal with nobles or out on their luck nobles. Katsumoto in The Last Samurai is explicitly named as a nobleman and both lives and is treated as one, as are his retainers.
You fell for the bait. The joke is that samurai don't seem very noble and to the outside observer they more resemble a savage warrior than a aristocratic lord.
Would your head explode if I also told you that bushido code isn't regarded as terribly noble, either?
>Would your head explode if I also told you that bushido code isn't regarded as terribly noble, either?
Both bushido and chivalry are largely works of fiction that most likely didn't exist in their respective periods, that aside in what world are the freaking SAMURAI not seen noble? From Rurouni Kenshi to Samurai Jack it seems that the popular perception of Samurai is that of a philosopher warrior who spends his time meditating and contemplating the meaning of his actions when not dicing enemies into peaces. Somewhat different from Samurai as whole are the Ronin and even then then most famous Ronin would be Miamoto Musashi and he was a prolific writer and a philosopher in his own right. I think the real reason is that European nobility is seen as decadent and spoiled, especially since the age of enlightenment and the French revolution, and it's easier to romanticize Japanese aristocrats with their glorious nihon steel folded one million times, especially since the Samurai are seen as more stoic and honorable, than the nobility in Europe.
>The joke is that samurai don't seem very noble and to the outside observer they more resemble a savage warrior than a aristocratic lord.
There isn't any difference. Nobility is intimately tied to barbarism.
Facts.
Not a bad thing either, just par for the course.
Anarchy becomes feudalism the second two guys have a row.
You're thinking of chinese martial artists that used everyday working tools as weapons (when they didn't just use swords, spears and all that)
Ironic since katanas were exclusively owned by the elite nobles, while rapiers grew in popularity due to the rising middle class and city populations.
>Samurai, a higher privileged class that got free rice from their lord and treated actual peasants like chopping blocks.
>Every man
I'm calling bullshitdo
>samurai
>everyman
Lol I have samurai ancestors on my mother's side. They definitely didn't see themselves as an "everyman"
it’s a lame fruity sissy weapon for dexgays
strength = cool
if you can’t depict overwhelming force with a weapon, it’s a lame weapon
anon you literally jerk off to e-girl futa so you are the last person to determine what's sissy and what's not
Strength is cooler than dex and I'm not into rapiers myself, but using one competently requires an incredible amount of forearm strength. Any homosexual can pick up a longsword and cut someone but it takes muscle to wield a rapier to pierce someone's ribcage.
You don’t pierce the ribcage, you slip it in between ribs. Even if we went that route, how are you even going to depict a rapier hitting a rib and needing to be pushed through with great force?
Remember, we’re talking about the perception of the thing.
That's what I meant. It's impossible to control such a fine-point without immense physical force. A rapier is no less forceful than a trident, and I don't see anyone talking about how they're effeminate.
>It's impossible to control such a fine-point without immense physical force.
that is the opposite of reality, fine muscle control is actually detrimental to force generation capacity, it’s why chimps can’t do shit despite being far stronger than humans
>that is the opposite of reality
You're coming across as someone who's never actually tried to do any fencing. It's extremely fast, and you need to be really quite strong to move blades of that length at speed. The funny poses are to make it easier to react to the opponent and move your sword in a useful and lethal way.
A blunted epee hurts like hell to be on the receiving end of, even when you're wearing good padded armor. A proper sharpened one pierces straight through (and on into the opponent's heart).
post wrist
>a lighter one handed weapon is no less forceful than a heavier polearm
Not sure the math checks out.
>the entire body exploding forward to deliver all that energy to a single point
A good lunge looks plenty powerful.
Beat attacks look badass too, especially when you zazz them up, lightsaber fighting is literally an endless barrage of beat attacks with more sparks than normal and people eat that shit up.
The longsword comparison is a pretty good one but that dichotomy is double-edged (hue) when it comes to perception.
You cannot show the longsword striking without causing disfigurement or death otherwise you get the trite "40 miraculous mere grazes" sort of fights.
Fencing weapons score on respective vitals for a reason, a rapier is a hybrid weapon, the hit is meant to be a death sentence, but not immediate.
So if you want a really knock-down drag out fight like the one in they live but with swords, rapier is the way.
You don't have to no-sell the sword to up the stakes with injury and brutality.
Which plays nicely as a contrast to the elegance of the weapon and it's historical circumstance, and is part of why archvillains tend to wield them in fiction, the "results" of a sabre or rapier kill are a world apart from the graceful cultural cache of aristocracy, a torture weapon.
Rapiers are heavy, motherfricker. It's more difficult to hold a relatively light weight with an extended arm than the sweep a larger sword around.
>1kg hilt biased
lol
*cough*
they were as heavy as a normal one handed sword but longer
>but with CoG towards pommel
ftfy
now post wrist
Because of morons like with their riveting commentary.
>why aren’t rapiers seen as cool
>because people don’t see them as cool
wow
much intelligence
such riveting
>*slices the strength troony's throat with a single stroke of my blade*
Nothing personnel, kid.
Go back to playing Dark Souls sissy, men of antiquity NEVER thought like you did. What they cared for is a weapon that's pragmatic and allows them to exert the force necessary to destroy their enemies with the most convenience allowed. Owing your soul to that of a giant slab of metal most mortal men can barely lug around is an act of pure moronation, you've already forgotten the most important rule of a weapon on the way there: Versatility. Every single Beowulf and Siegfried out there is aesthetically manlier than Guts.
a rapier is that small plastic toothpick I'd sometimes get in my sandwiches as a child, which was rad as hell
I've never played any sort of fantasy setting long enough to NOT end up seeing at least one fencer.
Swashbucklers can't do this.
The creativity and production values on this are crazy.
>tfw gunslingers are the only one who can compete
Well yeah, half the cool samurai tropes are based on Westerns, and half the cool Western tropes are based on samurai. They're practically the same genre.
This, A Fistful of Dollars was literally a western remake of a samurai movie
Quick draw strikes are something that katanas have going for them.
laughed the first time I watched it. Watched it again, realized I hadn't noticed the moon, laughed my ass off harder.
That's how skilled the samurai is. The human eye cannot even perceive the cut.
Kawaii as frick
Wrong Generation
one of your party members in wokedurs gate 3 is a fencer but they had to make him black and a Warlock just to make him interesting
>they had to make him black and a Warlock just to make him interesting
Don't forget to give them heterochromia, and probably make them a half tiefling as well.
I've heard he's actually racist against tieflings and if you recruit the muscle mommy tiefling follower he bix noods out on you.
I missed the chance to recruit him because I stayed away from all of the gay druid shit and did other stuff and by the time I finished everything and went to the druid grove he was nowhere to be found.
They do that to most of the characters and it’s not to make them ”interesting”.
But they are?
Some rapers are pretty cool.
Not all heros wear the stockings on their legs.
I still can't believe Rance was written by a biological, ovary-possessing woman.
Women have rape fantasies all the time. It's just that they're fantasies, so it never happens the way they schlick to in reality.
Rance is not the sort of 'cool' rapist they typically write (Draco Malfoy in leather pants, maybe a vampire). He's a giant emotionally maladaptive child who is unreasonably powerful and has no sense of any kind of decorum or social norm (he's based).
In other words, the kind of rapist who can be "fixed". Remember that pink girl he rapes from the start and then ends up so in love with that he'll turn the world upside down to save her? Yeah.
What's going on, why does my heart hurt?
Girl is a gladiator who was unapproachable because of her strength. She fights and loses to Rance the serial rapist. He appreciates her beauty while he's deflowering her and she sort of falls in love with him as a result.
You would be surprised just how many rape/abuse/violence against women fantasy titles are written by women.
Most of them, unless your name is Matt Ward.
To add to this, if a writer wants to make crime against women look common and unpunished, it's often a feminist writer. Most non-feminist writers acknowledge that rape, abuse, and violence towards women was a grave offense throughout history... except in Japan. In Japan it was a form of greetings and salutations.
Nah, the western equivalent of fujoshis love that shit too, as the novel genre will show. I think it was Outlander where the mc male was raped and all that, because woman love to fap to they self inserts.
>the western equivalent of fujoshis
still fujoshi. the word is Japanese but it transcends all borders
Fencing. It's led to a misunderstanding of what a rapier even is, or what one can do. As a result it's associated with effete, impotent larpers rather than deadly earnest and lethal professionals.
If you want a system which actually treats rapiers and the musketeer archetype reasonably well, there's WFRP 2e.
What happened to them in 4e?
I don't have the experience with 4e to comment.
Nothing, the duelist is one of the strongest combat careers. Fencing weapons are pretty cool in this system, it's just a bit unfortunate how few careers get it by default.
Because they are weaker, crappier swords with significantly less utility and overall look gay and pathetic.
Samurai stuff really scratches that itch for people who are in love with the whole noble spiritual parts, or martial arts fans who love the trained a thousand ways superior disciplined warrior type.
Meanwhile rapier fighting has more of an opposite kind of look, in foppish French and Italian nobles dallying around in lacy costumes and curly mustaches. There is no cool warriors code martial arts stuff there, fun foreign spiritualism/animism, or trained years until they are superhuman. sport fencing also hurt in a lot of ways since a lot of people see the sport foil and assume that is a rapier, then think the sword is some kind of extra pointy antenna, and wonder that it cannot possibly be that deadly.
But overall decades upon decades of samurai movies and anime made samurai shit look really cool. The west has no real equivalent. Just regurgitates 3 Musketeers and Zorro over and over and over again.
>Meanwhile rapier fighting has more of an opposite kind of look, in foppish French and Italian nobles dallying around in lacy costumes and curly mustaches.
I think this is a big part of it. Rapiers were at the peak of their popularity when the people who wielded them looked the gayest so that's the kind of image most people conjure in their minds when they think of a rapier wielder.
Personally I'd like to just skip the rapier and see more 19th century saber representation. It should be much easier to do since the people associated with them looked cooler.
does it? I would have assumed most people think of Zorro or Puss in Boots homie
I like the Spanish vibe. More back alley stabbing by shady types dressed in travel clothes, huddled up in long plain capes while waiting for their prey.
The Alatriste movie wasn't very good tries to gather plot points from seven different books, it's a fricking mess, but it had some nice aesthetics.
>But overall decades upon decades of samurai movies and anime made samurai shit look really cool. The west has no real equivalent.
It does, but it's Western stories not swashbuckler stories. Western and Samurai movies are essentially two sides of the same coin.
Because they're hasn't been a good 3 Musketeers movie in ages.
because you're asking the wrong people
Based
DO NOT post that ugly troony's artwork.
Demo was fun and was highly talked about during that indie fest thing maybe this will spark interest
Swashbucklers and Rapiers are rad, I usually see people liking them a ton even in modern media. Now I will say, I do like slashing folks more than poking- so a Saber is more my style but a Rapier can do both.
Also, the styleee
I wish she'd stop appropriating my culture and ruining that sword by putting the tip on stone.
thats almost certainly not any anything more than a sword shaped chunk of metal, nothing of value being damaged.
Wow this looks like shit
Those are sabers, though.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Jet fuel can't melt reinforced steel hulls, Pearl Harbor was inside job.
actually, Pearl Harbor WAS an inside job.
The freedom of information act confirmed the US Navy had intercepted 83 separate messages Yamamoto sent to his carriers on the way to attack Pearl Harbor. Example message from nov25 read "...the task force, keeping its movement strictly secret and maintaing close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow..."
FDR knew the attack was coming and so he pulled every valuable aircraft carrier out of hawaii, leaving the american main pacific fleet (the most important fleet) entirely devoid of their most powerful and modern ships, which was never done. He knew japan couldn't afford to cross a whole ocean without attacking (they were low on gas) so by the time japan found out they had to attack anyway even though the ships at pearl harbor were out of date shitty slow battleships and no carriers. FDR knew this would make the public happy to go to war with japan.
His predecessor Woodrow Wilson did the same thing to force Americans to join World War I. He'd let random americans go on ships bringing weaponry and ammunition to britain which was under german blockade. The germans called these americans "guardian angels" since if 1 american hopped on board a 500 passenger british ship they'd prevent submarines from sinking the millions of pounds of war material being shipped into england. The germans even put ads in the newspaper "Don't get on Lusitania, it is heading to britain which is under blockade and carrying weapons of war and we're going to sink it", American morons got on and it sunk, and the MSM used it to pretend "uhOh innocents attacked, nobody could have known!"
Almost every U.S. war involved a false flag pretext. The spanish-american war did, the bay of pigs cuba, iran-contra shit, WMD iraq shit. Clinton letting 9/11 terrorists in, etc
perceived "cool" stoicism to the samurai as opposed to perceived flamboyance of the swashbucklers/musketeers
>perceived
trannies nuff said
because weebs like anime, and there are more samurai there than swashbucklers.
The solution is simple, make some anime about a guy with a rapier that fricks shit up and pierces aircraft carriers and giant robots. Then continue making more of that for about 40 more years.
slicing > poking
at least visually and rl effectiveness is irrelevant
Because the Japanese are taking revenge for getting the Sloppy Oppy at the end of WWII.
Fact is Japan knows how to make their historical weapons look cool in media, at least better than westoids do.
Eh, more fact based history time:
The Samurai were never proper swordsmen, they were archers first and Spearman second, often on horseback. The were basically the Japanese version of Mongols. That said, when the Samurai had nothing left to do, they began writing poetry. This poetry often focused on their swords as there were many archers and spearmen who weren't Samurai but not as many swordsmen who weren't Samurai. So thier poetry was about the katana and was widely consumed throughout Japan; a highly romanticized take on their last ditch self defense weapon and its use amongst great heroes. (They were trained to throw rocks before unsheathing their katanas) This has mostly remained in popular culture because, well, rule of cool and fricking learning history. The sheer contempt shown to real history in this board alone should be example enough.
The rapier, on the other hand, has far less romanticism attached to it, being the chosen weapon of heroes... and villains... and anyone at that time period. There was never a big drive to romanticize them like katanas had because the people of the time saw them enough to fully embrace a neutral, and thus less mythical, perspective of them. Again, unlike katanas.
Sorry, aside from the rock-throwing bit (and I'm not dismissing it), this anon
is correct about the history of the samurai. Archers first -- and really impressively good horse archers at that -- and making use of the spear when they got too close to fight with bows, most samurai would never draw their swords in anger through their entire career.
This shifted in the later Shogunate when ritualized dueling became more common, but the preferred dueling weapons were...polearms. People who dueled with swords were highly romanticized, though.
Speak for yourself, I love plagarizing Three Musketeers and War and Peace for my characters
didn't woke liberals discourage anyone from using raiper because it sounds like raper which is why you don't see many people use it in media
Damn woke liberals...!!! Censoring our language... Rapier correction is needed...
>t. level 99 rapier master with 80 prior duel wins
Rapiers are duel swords not fit for war or to fight multiple adversaries, katanas are short two handed swords witch is stupid.
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Plenty of things that fall in the admittedly broad category of rapiers are battlefield weapons, doubly so if you call sideswords rapiers (which they often did at the time). Sidesword is a modern term anyway.
Its the vibe, they just don't give the same impression as samurai and knights. I'd much rather larp as a noble committing mass genocide because I missed my indulgence for caviar at brunch.
What game are you talking about? This is /tg/ not /k/.
because they dress like gays
I met some folk doing HEMA in a park a couple weeks ago, sparring with rapiers. One of them was a girl. I sat to watch and made a few sketches, then she took off the helmet when she took a break and she was lovely. We chatted a bit and she liked to draw too but then I had to go. I wish I had stayed.
Anyway rapiers are really cool. I got to handle one during that encounter and I found they are way lighter than I thought, but they're somewhat bothersome to swing around because they're so long. We talked about Italian swept hilts and other cool shit I never manage to rave about.
Pop culture morons only think that rapiers can poke, when in fact they were used for cutting
It's because of olympic fencing
I know, but Olympic fencing is relatively recent thing. Other anons have pointed out other factors what has caused this, but regardless, it makes my blood boil.
I did fence, not in the Olympic style though
but olympic rapiers can't poke, they got blunt tips
Well yeah you're not supposed to kill your opponent. The rapiers those guys were using also had rubber caps on them.
Pretend fencing with rubbers on? That brings back some memories...
>Pretend
Anon the swords were made of steel and they had to wear padded gear and they still got hurt plenty. One dude told me he had to compete with a broken pinky. I wouldn't call it pretend.
While you can injure yourself doing any sport, the rate of injuries among professional fencers is extremely low. Far below sports like football, skiing, or hockey.
>the rate of injuries among professional fencers
they were not doing olympic fencing
It's because people commonly say rapier instead of foil or anything else that ressembles a rapier but isn't one.
Yeah but long, thin sword = foil is a misconception born mainly out of Olympic fencing.
My point is that foil or not, they'll call it a rapier.
It's just because they're not interested. It's like when if you don't know about guns you'll mix up clip and magazine
Two words: poofy pants.
I'm a weeb and love samurai and katanas but fencing has a totally different vibe to it, it's so regal and skilled looking. I love seeing a pompous noble type suddenly turn out to be a fricking beast with fencing.
Probably because when the movies are done in Yurop they go for a more brutal and "realisitc" style.
That was actually pretty cool. I now think more highly of swashbucklers. Thanks.
The whole film is in youtube for free I think, if you like the period/Whfantasy, there is worse ways to waste a pair of hours. The worst part of the film is they adapted a lot of books too fast and the tale suffer, but the setting and wardrobe are very well done if a little too grey (wich is quite fitting, alatriste means sadwing).
Well, I fricking love rapiers. Smells like shady cloack and daggers, adventures on the high sea, murders in dark alleys and epic duels on the rooftop of a Renaissance castle in flames.
I just love the late medievals/renaisence/Baroque aestethics, from landsknechts and conquistadors to tercios and black riders, full plate armor etc
I guess the difference in appeal is that the archetype of the wandering ronin is usually independant and without a master (I mean, it's the very definition of a ronin, right?), while the musketeer / bravo is usually a character with a master, working for a king or some noble he has a bond with. People usually prefer to play the wandering warrior with no ties who goes from one adventure to the next.
Alatriste, the one from the clip, goes from the army to do odd jobs for differents nobles, he doesn't have a "master" per se, but he gets lots of different friends with contacts and some times he gets paired with other duelists (like the one than nearly kills him). The Swashbucklers kind of character can get a lot of mileage from single to petty bands to armies of adventurers. Rob Roy is more of what do you say,where duelist are under the patronage of bigger nobles, but meanwhile the titular character gets his own merry band of cattle drovers/stealers than could be an adventurer party pretty easily, and he lives as petty nobility.
Why do the morons on this board think that if something isn't in the media 24/7 then it isn't seen as cool?
People do see rapiers and swasbucklers as cool. There's a three musketeers movie/tv show every few years.
samurai and katanas and ninjas are an outlier, not the rule. they're seen as cool due to orientalistism and japan fetishisation, but even then they're not that popular. how many samurai movies do you see coming out in the west these days? the only big hit i can think of is the last samurai. they're popular in pop culture but they don't really have a big share of the market. normie history goes from ancient rome to vikings to knights to napoleon to the wild west to ww2 and not much else. the recent trends of the past 10 years has been vikings. before that it was ancient greek and rome. in the 80s it was ninjas, etc etc
>Why do the morons on this board think that if something isn't in the media 24/7 then it isn't seen as cool?
Purposefully having unproductive and bad conversations is /tg/'s entire board culture, and one of the most popular ways to do so is to make a thread with an intentionally provocative/incorrect premise so that it distracts from the conversation and lowers the overall quality of discussion. It is unironically the board's most popular meme.
It's not popular or even somewhat endorsed by the users, it's just not policed because the jannies support it.
Aye
>Zorro
>Princess Bride
>3 Musketeers
>Man in the Iron Mask
>Count of Monte fricking Christo
>Pirates of the Water
>Jedi
>Nearly half of Wuxia (bandit/ruffian archetype)
also
>thread OP
>the third most popular character and the strongest side character
Smaller swords with less decisive strokes, seen as dantier by comparison.
Because samurais are brutal zen warrior-monks while rapier wielders tend to be homosexual fops.
One of the most consistent and reliable weapons for both pve and pvp in dark souls is the rapier tho
Bunch of poncy homosexuals is why