Why can't autists accept power creep?
>Omg ban dynamax
>Omg ban terastallize
>Omg ban flutter mane
Sounds to me like you have brain problems and have trouble adapting to anything past gen 7. Get on with the times or stop playing
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Maybe its just really boring and people want to play Pokemon, not regional gimmick game with Pokemon tacked on
>Maybe its just really boring and people want to play Pokemon
Yes i agree! Banning new things to keep everything the same is actually very boring and people just want to play pokemon the way it was meant to be played - with gimmicks
>the way it was meant to be played - with gimmicks
I guess Pokemon pre Gen 7 wasn't really Pokemon then?
Sure, because introducing items in gen 2, abilities in gen 3, phys/special split in gen 4, HA in gen 5, megas in gen 6 does NOT count!
>does NOT count!
Correct
None of those went away after a single generation.
So if terastallize stays for another gen you'll love it?
No, because I hate gimmicks that have no cost to them as well.
If terastallize is developed further in later generations and receives ongoing balance to the point where it feels as natural a part of the games as held items, abilities, or the physical special split, I will love it.
That will not happen. It will be forgotten at the bottom of the toy box like every other new mechanic Game Freak introduces. That's why it's a gimmick.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.
>Megatard acts like gen 6egas weren't a gimmick
Kek it's always megagays seething
It's a dumb semantics argument but at the time Megas seemed like something that were around to stay, they're still the only one of the new 'gimmick' mechanics to stick around for more than one Gen.
I'd argue they didn't become a 'gimmick' until Gen 8 when they were cut.
why are you twisting his words
megas were the last ok implementation, and even that was almost stupid because it wasn't well implemented
Megas had the potential to salvage some shitmons but it wasn't given to enough mons that actually need it. Dynamax and Z moves were better gimmicks than Megas because those at least give shitmons an illusory opportunity to turn the tides of battle. Megas just exist to make bad mons worse.
>Megas had the potential to salvage some shitmons but it wasn't given to enough mons that actually need it.
It salvaged:
>Charizard
>Beedrill
>Pidgeot
>Kangaskhan
>Ampharos
>Houndoom
>Heracross
>Absol
>Gardevoir
>Glalie
>Altaria
>Medicham
>Lopunny
It also stopped Pokémon like Venusaur, Lucario and Metagross from falling further in the metagame. Z-Move and Dynamax legacy was letting Gyarados, strong in every game, just get to setup Moxie even freerer while people liked argue that Mega Gyarados was worse than regular (wrong).
>No Mawile on the list
I'm gonna guess that was just a mistake.
Flutter Mane is the Queen of Gen 9
Hammer Goblina BTFO
Compgays want Pokemon to be a game of skill. But they don't seem to realize that they're playing a fricking RPG.
They don't realize either that managing probabilities is skill.
That's one of my two grips with Smogon, and also why it should start taking notes from mahjong.
Managing probability is skill when it's "I can Thunderbolt for guranteed damage or Thunder for a bit more damage but possibility of miss, which I also accounted for". It is not when it's "if this 30% move oneshots I win, if not I lose".
You will never get through to any "competitive" community with this. I've tried for a better half of two decades.
Except that this isn’t “1 unit out of hundreds of yours took a bit more damage in an engagement than you’d like”.
It’s “This unit out of 6 is either dead or completely ruined, now making it impossible to break through or stop a sweep and there is basically no counterplay to this if you’re unlucky”
She's not nearly as bad as the ice tiger tbh
You say this as if Lati@s wasn't banned in gen 3 or if Garchomp wasn't banned in gen4. It's nothing new
Gimmicks are for homosexuals, I'd rather play Gen 7 with no z moves than Gen 8 with dynamax.
Why is it faster than Jolteon, though?
They were following suit of the original's stat distribution, but filling it out for 570 BST.
>They evolved and got weaker
I imagine primal Mismagius would be Arceus-tier
It's not fun.
You guys simply don't understand I want to FRICK Flutter Mane so everyone should be FORCED to have a counter to it even though she's moronicly strong. I just didn't say anything earlier because Mega Rayquaza was ugly.
> Why can't autists accept power creep?
Because it throws older Pokémon under the bus and makes them worthless to make nu-Gen shit look better (except of course CHARIZARD who survives with a golden parachute special snowflake form or new broken coverage move)
>CHARIZARD who survives with a golden parachute special snowflake form or new broken coverage move
Can't believe charizard got not one but TWO paradox forms...
wait for the DLC, CHARIZARD's definitely getting something else this gen
>Charizard gets a past, future, and hyperspace form too because frick you
>Paradox Charizard past is a Dragon flying
>Paradox Charizard future is a dragon steel
>Paradox Charizard present is somehow a true type with fire dragon flying
>Grey paradox mega gigantimax Primal Charizard Z Omega is just Acreus
charizard is dogshit in SV meta
dynamax was a poorly thought out mechanic that made doubles worse and singles outright unplayable
tera is fine
flutter mane needs more time, we gotta find counters
so you're okay with friendship-dance gimmick, giant inflated pokemon, and giant glass headpieces
frickin zoomers
I love looking at late gen Y complaining about gimmicks.
>Pokemon shouldn't have any stupid fanservice gimmicks except the one where deviant art super powered-up versions of my favourite cool pokemon get to be ultra strong
>deviant art super powered-up versions of my favourite cool pokemon get to be ultra strong
Isn't that Scizor?
It’s because smogon has a stall bias.
I think almost everyone is OK with Teras. It’s like the only balanced one they came up with and misusing it could lose you an entire battle.
Like one the few good things is how much better battling is in this gen than the others. Shit like Dynamax is straight up aids and deserved to go. So did Z moves. Recovery and Stall gays are the only ones crying. This is the age of the Hyper chads.
Tera is worse than Dynamax. Weaker, but worse for meta.
Just play VGC
Theyre lazy sons of b***hes who cant conceive actually formulating a plan against potential threats, and just ban everything that doesnt immediately capitulate to stall or "bulky balance"
Do you sincerely believe that people don't know how to kill Flutter Mane?
Because I actually want to use shit other than Stall or have to make a broken offensive team that will fight mirrors matches where games are decided around speed ties.
Currently every game is just fricking Flutter Mane with Booster Energy or Sun support and you can’t do shit unless you bring a team of 6 incredibly bulky Pokemon or hope your Flutter Mane wins the speed tie.
But I do think Terastallization should stay. It’s actually pretty underwhelming.
Tera seems like something that will get stronger as the meta settles, right now its too chaotic to use effectively
No, it’ll be a lot more tame and healthy after initial ban seasons arrive. Of course when you have shit like Flutter Mane being able to survive strong priority moves because it changes typing, or Palafin getting an Adaptability boost on its Water moves letting it 2HKO Toxapex (and more than Dracovish), it’s going to seem broken.
Anything that’s broken with Tera is either something enabled with Tera Blast or something inherently broken to begin with.
>Has had to make multiple tiers because of how unbalanced the game is
>still has to bad certain mons/forms/items/strat/combos within each tier on top of the gimmick of the game
Perhaps Pokemon is not made for competitive battling and thats ok.
Why don’t people have problems with Megas then?
>dynamax
Too strong and I loved swsh.
>terastallize
I don't have a problem with it.
>flutter mane
I like it.
I hope next gen brings back mega pokemin
What is so special about Megas?
For me, gameplay-wise I like how it took up an item slot.
Lore-wise using a stone to push pokemon to the next level makes sense, even if temporary (See: Eevee.)
Conceptually the Mega-Evolutions looked good and natural as well. I'm not a fan of Charizard or Mewtwo X/Y but Megas like Mawile, Gengar, Altria were good.
It makes me wish some Dynamax concepts were used as mega-evolutions because a lot of them looked great too. Dyanamax Machamp, Butterfree, Centiscorch, Alcremie all could have been megas easily.
There are many megas that should have been normal evolution, Mawile being one of them.
>mega mawile without using your mega slot or a stone
>being able to give mega maw a choice band
oh good lord no
it's still slow as shit
has sucker punch and if you put some wall/support (which are naturally slow) over it then play rough
just run my boy kingambit for the same results
obviously they'd have to be nerfed slightly to accomodate now being able to have multiple 'megas' on one team
but still I'd rather have a permanent nerfed Mawile evo than an OP one that doesn't exist anymore
My reason for forever being salty about megas is that they felt more like new mons we'll never get again than a gimmick so losing them was it's own little dexcut but for good, without the hope they'll be rotated in ever again
I like what I've seen of terastallize but I won't cry for it's loss when gen 10 comes but I'd probably feel a bit upset if paradox forms were eternally stuck in SV, if that makes sense
I came from Yugioh I don't want powercreep.
I mean Flutter Mane is annoying but counterable with Scizor.
The main issue is how the new Primal/Future Pokémon pretty much all have access to that energy item which gives them a 1.5 increase to either Attack, Special Attack or Speed.
The fact it gives you a choice boost without a restriction for already Pesudo Tier pokemon is one thing but mix that with Terratypes and you either sweep or get swept
>"One Time use item homosexual, git gud."
I guess i'll just stall out their attac- OH WAIT.
>counterable with Scizor
Teratype fire mystical fire gg and it's also sun
frick you're not wrong.
I haven't looked into comp stuff yet. what makes this thing so busted?
>ghost/fairy
>135 SPD
>135 SP ATK
Minmaxed stats and ability is basically a free choice item without the movelock. Same goes for all paradox mons really
They even banned Shedinja because they can't adapt.
Because they're afraid of being forced to work around new strategies rather than the same copy paste strategies they've been using forever. No one in competitive Pokemon can do more than use the same 15 Pokemon
Terastial form (not forms) are kinda useless on legends tho.
if i wanted to transform mid combat id play digimon. evolutions in pokemon are clearly lifestages so mege evolution and maxing are fricking stupid. cope zoomie.
>if i wanted to transform mid combat id play digimon
is Booster Energy +Sun/E.Terrain a double buff btw?
No, it's one or the other.
can someone please trade me a flutter mane right now, i really want one but i have virgin violet