Fire Emblem copied Persona by implementing dating sim esc shit for friendless losers to pretend they're dating anime characters. People who play modern FE don't talk about the gameplay or anything like that, they talk about how much they want to put their dick in Hilda or Bernie or whoever.
Don’t kid yourself. It’s clear as frick persona 3 proved to the nip industry that cartoon girls sell a dying franchise, something both series had in commin until they implemented the waifus
And it flopped miserably. You cant even use the censorship argument because it flopped in Japan too
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im not defending the fricking game. The point is the crossover is supposed to symbolize that both series were boosted/saved by waifu/idol girls
2 years ago
Anonymous
it was waifu/idol girls because they thought that was what people wanted.
It wasn't and the teaser trailer ruined the game by showing us what we actually wanted.
The game also leans far more into FE and SMT.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah what the frick was that? The direct showed SMT x fire emblem and then we got the biggest turd ever to have both Nintendo and atlus' name on it
2 years ago
Anonymous
the best thing to come out of it was getting a 20 or 30 dollar voucher for the nintendo eshop if you owned both awakening and smt iv
2 years ago
Anonymous
>waifus
yes >idols
no
idols are a literal death sentence in a western release
And it failed. Twice. Clearly showing it isnt what pushed the series. What did it was marketing. Nothing else. Awakening had a huge marketing push the series didnt get before that. Kinda the same way dq9 did back in the DS' days, but even harder.
Why would someone even make this graph? Like I don't even care about talking about Fire Embem at all here, but no shit that a free thing is downloaded the most when it's new vs 4 years later. This doesn't even show how many of each portion are retained.
Fire Emblem copied Persona by implementing dating sim esc shit for friendless losers to pretend they're dating anime characters. People who play modern FE don't talk about the gameplay or anything like that, they talk about how much they want to put their dick in Hilda or Bernie or whoever.
>persona this persona that persona best game ever in history of vidya so is SMT too fire emblem is best neon white is the best
are these considered the best games by Ganker because all the gays here are just friendless loveless homosexuals just like the trannies on twitter ironically?
Fire Emblem was only dying because they stopped making good looking games. It was RoD which looked fine but played like ass, the FE1 remake which looks soulless and is both too faithful and changes too little at the same time, and the FE3 remake which looks so similar to the FE1 remake that it didn't even get a western release despite being a better game and adding a self-insert and supports so he could have waifus just like Persona 3.
Meanwhile Persona was never dead or dying with Eternal Punishment, Atlus games were still quite popular among weebs (DDS was the big fanbase for Gen 6 until Persona 3 came out), Persona 3 just wasn't a priority at the time and was also in development for years, planning going as far back as 2003.
>It’s clear as frick persona 3 proved to the nip industry that cartoon girls sell a dying franchise, something both series had in commin until they implemented the waifus
It's funny to think that people don't realize Persona didn't hit its stride until way after Persona 4 released. In Japan, P3's initial version actually sold less than P1 and P2:IS and P4 sold less than P1.
FE4 doesn’t happy a Cringy Avatar Overshadowing the main cast, it’s also my favorite.
I’d love if we could stop this avatar shit. I just want to play as the protagonist of the game. Like jesus christ I'm tired of this self insert shit where this random character creator looking avatar ends up being more important somehow than the actual characters in the game.
i never got why avatars are in these games, when they act like completely their own character without player choice (not sure on three houses because i don’t play bad games)
all you’re doing is picking their name and hairstyles
>FE4 doesn’t happy a Cringy Avatar Overshadowing the main cast,
Yeah instead it has everyone dicksucking Sigurd for no reason up until he dies and the dicksucking transfers to Seliph >Deidre falls in love with Sigurd immediately because uhhh SHE JUST DOES
Meanwhile if the same thing happened with an avatar unit people would never shut the frick up
Implemented. If disney made something very successful, but it turns out they copied something or someone’s lesser known work, everyone will say disney is the pioneer of whatever the frick it is they copied
This. People call survival horror games resident evil clones despite it copying alone in the dark and sweet home or monster catching games pokemon clones despite SMT existing for a decade before pokemon.
Superman and Batman are probably two of the most well known characters in existence and they're literally bootleg imitations of Doc Savage and The Shadow.
Fire Emblem only became a huge hit because of Smashhomosexualry and waifus. The sales didn't deliver until Awakening, and I'd say the two franchises were pretty comparable before then. Actually, the development and subsequent success of Awakening is probably what cause them to ice the Wars franchise entirely.
Rekka no Ken sold well in the east and west which prompted them to develop path of radiance for the gc. Why Ganker makes shit up all the time is anyone's guess.
Both were failing until FE Awakening added dating sim and literal couple-making/breeding elements and made the IP big again. IIRC one of the lead devs of both IPs said that that appeal that made Awakening and later FE games popular isn't something that would fit as easily into Advance Wars, so they didn't do it.
It lacks coom, and I guess FE triangle is easier to understand for morons. AW Days of Ruin, ironically, ruined it a little with the artstyle and I'm still getting filtered by chapter 14, but I refuse to use a guide so I guess I'll never finish it. Gameplay wise is great though
Teenagers who were training to be samurai, ended up operating tanks in world war 2 because of how hard the industrial revolution hit them. They went from swords to automatic weapons in less than a life time so swords and bows aren't ancient history for them
my cousin and his friends bought persona 5 because joker got added to smash bros, at least a million people bought that shit game because of smash bros, Nintendies weren't obsessed with the game until it got added to smash bros
It’s a subconscious feeling of being left out of the loop. They want to get into a franchise just because it was represented well. Doesn’t always work and I laugh when it doesn’t (ARMS, KOF terry)
it takes time for a game to become popular with smash bros, fire emblem was shilled hard but it didn't sell well until awakening, Ike's game sold like absolute shit, the only reason why Persona 5 sold so we'll is because israelitetubers also shilled that troony game, none of them plays KOF or Fatal Fury and hated Terry so his popularity wasn't instantaneous, same with ARMS, but Terry did become more popular, if SNK made a new Fatal Fury game with the artstyle of Terry in Smash Bros and released it today it would sell like hotcakes, the problem with KOF is that terry is not the protagonist in that game and normies don't buy it then because they don't associate him with the games, even in his smash presentation he was presented as Terry Bogard from Fatal Fury not KOF
Smash doesn't make things sell.
Fatal Fury will still be a small franchise even with Terry in Smash. The new KOF's not being that big just proves it.
And don't give that "Terry isn't the M|C" excuses when he's a big part of that franchise.
Hell, Smashgays have been telling me that Terry in Smash will make the new KOF sell millions but now that it hasn't you people r moving the goalpost to "Well a new Fatal Fury would be be huge".
2 years ago
Anonymous
smashies don’t want to play real fighting games
2 years ago
Anonymous
Marth and Roy unironically came out in a different time and also didn't have reveal trailers before release. No one knew what the frick a Fire Emblem was until years later.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Terry in Smash will make the new KOF sell millions but now that it hasn't
It just makes me sad, KoF is a great series but I don't understand why it never takes off in North America. Is it just because it's a direct competitor to Street Fighter?
2 years ago
Anonymous
smashgays are the definition of normies the majority of them unironically don't know Terry is part of KOF, after all the smash reveal said he is from Fatal Fury that and the fact that Nintendo israelitetubers don't play fighting games and don't shill for Terry like they did for Joker, a Fatal Fury game would sell better than KOF because of Terry
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, to be fair the last KOF roster is smaller than KoF XIV.
There is no reason to buy a game with less content than the previous one.
>Smash Bros is the reason Fire Emblem is successful
Of course, that's why the Tellius games and the DS remakes were so successful and didn't flop at all
It helped reinforce in the consumers mind >“oh? Fire emblem! Those characters that are always in smash bros! This series must be good then!” Awakening can be associated with those types pf consumers
smash bros shilling takes its time to make a franchise popular but Xenoblade became a success because Shulk was in the starting roster of smash bros, by the time Xenoblade 2 came out nintendies really wanted to play a game from that franchise because they already knew Shill was from there 2 or 3 years before
Fire Emblem genuinely doesn't deserve the golden treatment it's gotten in Smash. Especially since it had to piggyback off Melee to get out Japan in the first place.
Fire emblem fans can't stand the fact they wouldn't even know their favorite game series if it wasn't for Hackurai Trojan-Horsing that IP to the West via Melee.
I think we can all agree that Fire Emblem spawned rabid, mentally ill waifugays with incredible ego issues, though.
all the franchises shilled on meele and brawl became popular among nintendies, this is why Mother/Earthbound is popular as well even tho it hasn't had a game released in the west in a long time, I was one of those kids who wanted to play the games smash bros characters came from
The devs completely gave up on it while they desperately tried to keep FE alive. Just look how many games both series have. It took all the way to the 3ds game to say alright this is our last attempt
Nintendo turned it into a Dating Sim with Awakening, Petting Sim with Fates (while giving that the Pokémon Treatment with different versions), and Grooming Sim with 3 Houses, wonder what they’ll try next. I’ll always stick to my classic FE games, these new games were never my cup of tea, pun not intended.
Fire Emblem didn't become a hit until Awakening so the real question is what did Awakening did right while every FE that came before it bombed.
The answer is simple, Awakening was the first FE Nintendo bothered to advertise.
7 almost got to the million milestone so yeah, the difference is advertisement.
It didn't help when you had things like Sacred Stones coming out after the next piece of hardware released (the DS in that case). A friend of mine skipped out on buying GBA games after the DS came out, despite the fact that the DS could play GBA games or the fact that there was barely any DS games to work with at the time.
It's because Advance wars is a pure strategy game while FE has rpg elements. moronic gays are going to say it's because of waifus but how would someone buying and playing Awakening when it first released even know that?
Advance wars is a cool concept but far too easy of a spamfest. Fire Emblem has a lot more customizability and the non-expendability of the units just leads to far more interesting campaigns. I loved advanced wars as a kid, but replaying as an adult, it's just nostalgia.
I can only say it from my perspective.
In Fire Emblem the units are not expendable. They progress and get stronger. Also they are their own characters.
In Advance Wars you can have a hundred units and you have no attachment to any of them, you can just replace them.
I love both series, but I understand why Fire Emblem is more popular for this reason alone.
>Makes Nintendogays seethe because it's anime and somehow took away from the development of a new F-Zero or whatever other IP in their minds >Makes AWgays seethe because it completely mogged their series in popularity >Makes Smashgays seethe because lots of FE characters show up in their game >Makes death seethe because the series managed to revive itself at the 11th hour >Makes Ganker seethe because it's a popular IP now >Succeeds anyways
Fire Emblem is absolutely based imo. It has a great story arc and generates and unfathomable amount of salt from others.
Fire Emblem is like a good underdog story. And then after the underdog reached the top the public turned on it, so now the series spends its time running around the ring with both middle fingers up as it keeps winning to a chorus of boos.
>the public
It's literally just salty smashgays and a couple of longtime FEgays.
Unless you're an actual monopoly like the Madden games you don't get the success FE has had as a vidya franchise unless a lot of people enjoy it.
I want to know why smashies think that a series being in smash bros is some kind of "badge of honor" and by extention, that there are series who don't deserve that "honor"? It's literally just a video game, it doesn't mean shit. There's no evidence that it makes a series more popular or sell more. Why care so much about who gets into a casual party fighting game?
gayurai calls it a celebration of gaming
homosexuals consider it the hall of fame for video games although this is laughable at how many shitty shill characters got in via nepotism (bayo)
Kazuya is an example. Everyone knows souls did more for gaming in the last 10 years than tekken but harada was given that slot because sakurai is his friend. The man shits on nintendo and prefers sony.
Sakurai is friends with most devs, the real reason was Bamco to avoid too many licensing issues. Which you'll notice this pass didn't go for any new heights in that regard except for Sora where they had to involve fricking Disney.
Yup he had the goddamn nerve to say that during a presentation of more FE characters. I’d say Sakurai needs to calm his JRPG boner down a play other genres to really get a grasp and feel as to what makes video games fun and special.
No one gives a shit about puzzles and beatemups in 2022 and only westoids (subhumans) give a shit about shooters. They are not deserving of being in smash
>homosexuals consider it the hall of fame for video games although this is laughable at how many shitty shill characters got in via nepotism (bayo)
True. >Kazuya is an example
Tekken was literally THE fighting game of the PS1/N64/Saturn era, you utter moron.
Didn't Xenoblade get a boost in sales when they it got added to Smash? I remember reading they couldn't keep up with the orders and had to do another print.
I think after the aegis was revealed stocks of physical copies of Xenoblade 2 were completely exhausted in Japan and it charted on the eshop for a bit. That's still not that much though, ever since 2018 physical copies have always been rare and expensive, and it occasionally charts on the Japanese eshop randomly anyway. I'll concede if in a few weeks Xenoblade 3 has a significantly more successful first week than 2 as according to famitsu sales. Until then it can't be verified that this actually translates to lasting popularity.
Xeno 2 in Japan is weird because Nintendo has this special voucher program. Where if you buy certain games you get discounts on other games
In japan they don't have a standard price for games like we do. Games are priced based on their length. So since Xeno 2 is a long as frick game it's like 8000 yen which is like $85. These vouchers let people buy the game for cheap and since xeno 2 is one of the most expensive games on the shop people just use it on Xeno 2. That's why it seems random boosts or sudden sales increases randomly.
how would you add love interests to advance wars anyway?
some sort of unique "commander unit" (like a chess king i guess)?
a campaign with team battles where you pick your CO partner for love points?
i unironically think kozaki’s style did a lot for the series, while wayforward’s soulless shit style could only sink any game they dip their fingers into
1. Advance Wars is full of faceless goons compared to Fire Emblem where every unit is a character
2. The games are harder to a not insignificant degree
3. Waifus
4. Fire Emblem was bombing too during the Fujoshit/GCN era
>1. Advance Wars is full of faceless goons compared to Fire Emblem where every unit is a character
This is one of the main reasons, actually. Even minor characters get a little something
I only played and beat AW1 but I don't think people gave a shit about the characters as much. FE felt like it had more development and fleshing out. Waiting for the AW remakes until I play AW2.
Advance Wars is fundamentally boring, it has all of the flaws of older PC strategy games with none of their advantages because combat happens on a grid instead of a planar space.
The fact that so many maps are dependent on fog of war shit just to give the AI a chance is proof that the games are bad.
That and the unit balance especially in 2/Dual Strike is laughably fricked
>All these morons going "SMASH IS THE REASON WHY FE IS BIG"
So it's confirmed that these are newbies or people who were 10 when Awakening came out, right? Awakening was literally supposed to be the series' swan song but it did really well and saved it. Awakening only did so well because of waifus and the fact that the 3DS had absolutely nothing to play on it in 2012-2013 and Nintendo was actually advertising Awakening pretty well, so people got it just to have something to play. FE didn't even have the Smash shilling it has now. Melee and Brawl only had two characters.
Yeah because it was genuinely confusing as frick >both Marth and Roy are cited as being from 'Fire Emblem', no subtitle or anything >game called 'Fire Emblem' comes out >main guy looks like Roy, but isn't Roy
I bet if Melee were delayed to like 2003 we would have gotten Lyn instead and people would not give 2 fricks about Roy, Roy is only talked about because he has nostalgia going for him, along with Marth.
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Anonymous
Roy would then be ranked up there as one of the most underrated lords, like Alm was and Leif is
His game was years out, not even in planning yet.
Supposedly, Sakurai wanted to use Leif anyways, but IS showed him their new game in development (Binding Blade) and he elected for Roy instead. Blazing Blade was designed in response to international eyes on Fire Emblem because of Melee.
It didn't need a newcomer every game, it's not Pokemon. I have no idea why they added both Marth/Roy in Melee, added Ike in Brawl when the Gamecube/Wii games sold very poorly for the time, then added both Robin and Lucina and Corrin in Smash 4, then added Chrom and Byleth for Ultimate. They didn’t even allow a cooldown period between games, meanwhile fans of other characters and series have to wait until their game has been out for a while to have a good shot at getting in. FE characters get in before their games even come out.
>But Greninja
It’s Fricking Pokémon and it’s understandable and expected, Pokémon is it’s own beast and could have its own Smash game if it wanted.
I mean the whole thing doesn't even make sense. Mario and Pokemon getting newcomers every game is expected, but I don't get why Fire Emblem is treated like this. They get new characters but it doesn’t feel like they genuinely earned their spots, therefore making them feel forced.
>Melee
Marth and Roy are clones, functionally just making one character to represent a series that had 5 games up to that point with a 6th in the works. They had fricking Ice Climbers, Ness, Captain Falcon, etc. in Melee, it's not out of place at all.
>Brawl
Series has finally come out in english, is up to 9 games out. Takes Roy out, adds Ike in. Same kinda game that has Ness+Lucas for a series with 3 games with only 1 of them out in english at the time. Nothing weird about Marth+Ike.
>Smash 4
Awakening outperforms the combined total sales of like 80% of the series up to that point. Name another franchise of Nintendo's that was made in the Famicom era and had drastic growth in the 2010's with barely any change to budget involved. Like seriously, it's the only one that has unstopping growth while reaching into good sales vs pre-established but sales have peaked like most others.
Fire Emblem has never been overrepresented until Smash 4 DLC. Corrin comes from the wordt gane and shouldnt have been made, thats the only one that doesnt belong.
I mean there was little to no justification for Corrin to be here much less taking up a precious DLC spot in Smash 4. It goes without saying a forced shill pick causes a major ripple effect throughout the fandom. Hence why Byleth was poorly received.
>“BiG bRoThEr Is NoW bIg SiStEr”
Fun fact: Corrin's sword in Smash is locked behind a paywall in their own game.
In Smash, Corrin wields the Omega Yato, AKA that chainsaw sword. You can’t actually get this sword in either of the two main Fates games, Birthright and Conquest. You have to cough up 20 US dollars (or regional equivalent) and purchase the Revelation DLC in order for Corrin to use it. So that’s a neat little factoid for you. When you think about it all, it’s like a double promotion in Smash.
The reason Byleth was so poorly received is because Corrin and Chrom didn't allow a cool down period after Smash 4 already busting a nut for Awakening. They need to skip a system generation or two.
Plus, it ruins Ultimate's gimmick "Everyone is here"
F-Zero only had original on SNES and X on N64 by the time Melee was out. Fire Emblem had been around longer and had more games, so why wouldn't it also have a character in Melee if that's the bar that was set?
Mostly by being a launch title, and compared to an RPG series that was Japanese-only.
Let's compare it to Earthbound then, since it's another nintendo RPG series that has Smash characters since the original. Fire Emblem had two different SNES games that were exclusive to Japan and outsold Earthbound's worldwide saes, and more games in general. If Ness is in, it just makes sense a Fire Emblem character would get in eventually.
FE Roy wasn't much crticized only because he was just number two of his franchise back in Smash 2. Byleth isn't in the same position now.
Of course, Byleth's best timing would be Smash 6 base game when FE has managed to slim down its presentation, in that way the character is indeed rushed. Next game they’ll likely be replaced with new Protag of new game.
Regarding to timing, I think individual cases are fine. We should use a macro view to examine Smash 5, the general problem should be that DLCs and new fighters have a really big proportion for new creations but poor for veterans who've been waiting in line. It does'nt really matter whether it cannot be Byleth or someone else.
1. They're easy characters to translate to fightings.
2. They're reasonably popular.
3. People expect new characters in fighting games and Mario and Zelda are tapped out of moderately recognizable characters. That's why they reached in for Xenoblade and Persona even.
>Mario and Zelda are tapped out of moderately recognizable characters
That's why you stop putting any other recognizable characters as fricking assist trophies.
>its because of smash! its because of waifubait! its because of anime!
It's because FE is character/narrative focused while Advance Wars is gameplay focused.
The SRPG and turn-based tactics genres are both quite niche. I'm sure the average FE fan would prefer if the series was just a regular JRPG, but they'll put up with it being an SRPG because they're there for the characters and story.
It only became a smash hit when they introduced waifu bait though. Awakening sold 2.3 million copies. The game before, Shadow Dragon, sold 520k. The games had stories before, they didn't have the waifu bait mechanics though. Radiant Dawn sold even less.
Tfw FE probably wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Famicom Wars in 1988, it predates FE1 which came in 1990, Famicom Wars actually introduced the whole turn based strategy thing.
And famicom wars was a nintendo copy of nectaris.....don't get me wrong, I love Advance Wars more than fire emblem but sometimes I wonder what if we never had famicom wars and by that also never fire emblem and nectaris be the "recognizable" franchise.....just imagine
Isn't Advance Wars just Fire Emblem without the RPG mechanics? Why play a series with less mechanics? The most fun part of FE is preparing for battle and customizing your units, not the execution itself.
Because Nippons are ridiculous simps and want to introduce waifu-shit to all of their products. And because they couldn't figure out how to do that with Advance Wars, they abandoned the series.
Which is fricking stupid, you just personalize every unit. Tank unit in now a LT waifu in a Tank, ground units are represented by LT waifu with a host of military dudes, and give the ability to recruit enemy CO's and Lt's.
Correct. Thanks for the advertisement btw. Now AWBW has a refreshless interface and triple the amount of active players. And all it needed was a failed announcement of a new game.
They never made it as coomy as FE
Advanced Wars is harder and the story is more moronic. Also no Smash Bros. hype for the characters.
Fire Emblem copied Persona by implementing dating sim esc shit for friendless losers to pretend they're dating anime characters. People who play modern FE don't talk about the gameplay or anything like that, they talk about how much they want to put their dick in Hilda or Bernie or whoever.
>Copied
Fire Emblem did it first years ago with marriage on FE4 on SNES. Cope harder.
Don’t kid yourself. It’s clear as frick persona 3 proved to the nip industry that cartoon girls sell a dying franchise, something both series had in commin until they implemented the waifus
so.. thanks to persona 3, fire emblem went back to its roots and became wildly successful?
sounds good to me
>not understanding why the shitty smt x fire emblem game was all about idol girl shit
And it flopped miserably. You cant even use the censorship argument because it flopped in Japan too
Im not defending the fricking game. The point is the crossover is supposed to symbolize that both series were boosted/saved by waifu/idol girls
it was waifu/idol girls because they thought that was what people wanted.
It wasn't and the teaser trailer ruined the game by showing us what we actually wanted.
The game also leans far more into FE and SMT.
Yeah what the frick was that? The direct showed SMT x fire emblem and then we got the biggest turd ever to have both Nintendo and atlus' name on it
the best thing to come out of it was getting a 20 or 30 dollar voucher for the nintendo eshop if you owned both awakening and smt iv
>waifus
yes
>idols
no
idols are a literal death sentence in a western release
And it failed. Twice. Clearly showing it isnt what pushed the series. What did it was marketing. Nothing else. Awakening had a huge marketing push the series didnt get before that. Kinda the same way dq9 did back in the DS' days, but even harder.
>Disgusting Gacha
If you’re gonna play Gacha, at least play a good Gacha
How fricking dare you post FEH while talking about FE returning to its roots.
Why would someone even make this graph? Like I don't even care about talking about Fire Embem at all here, but no shit that a free thing is downloaded the most when it's new vs 4 years later. This doesn't even show how many of each portion are retained.
>persona this persona that persona best game ever in history of vidya so is SMT too fire emblem is best neon white is the best
are these considered the best games by Ganker because all the gays here are just friendless loveless homosexuals just like the trannies on twitter ironically?
Fire Emblem was only dying because they stopped making good looking games. It was RoD which looked fine but played like ass, the FE1 remake which looks soulless and is both too faithful and changes too little at the same time, and the FE3 remake which looks so similar to the FE1 remake that it didn't even get a western release despite being a better game and adding a self-insert and supports so he could have waifus just like Persona 3.
Meanwhile Persona was never dead or dying with Eternal Punishment, Atlus games were still quite popular among weebs (DDS was the big fanbase for Gen 6 until Persona 3 came out), Persona 3 just wasn't a priority at the time and was also in development for years, planning going as far back as 2003.
>It’s clear as frick persona 3 proved to the nip industry that cartoon girls sell a dying franchise, something both series had in commin until they implemented the waifus
It's funny to think that people don't realize Persona didn't hit its stride until way after Persona 4 released. In Japan, P3's initial version actually sold less than P1 and P2:IS and P4 sold less than P1.
Because FE4 totally has self insert shit where everyone fawns over (You) right?
FE4 doesn’t happy a Cringy Avatar Overshadowing the main cast, it’s also my favorite.
I’d love if we could stop this avatar shit. I just want to play as the protagonist of the game. Like jesus christ I'm tired of this self insert shit where this random character creator looking avatar ends up being more important somehow than the actual characters in the game.
i never got why avatars are in these games, when they act like completely their own character without player choice (not sure on three houses because i don’t play bad games)
all you’re doing is picking their name and hairstyles
>FE4 doesn’t happy a Cringy Avatar Overshadowing the main cast,
Yeah instead it has everyone dicksucking Sigurd for no reason up until he dies and the dicksucking transfers to Seliph
>Deidre falls in love with Sigurd immediately because uhhh SHE JUST DOES
Meanwhile if the same thing happened with an avatar unit people would never shut the frick up
Damn, Persona invented jazz, now it invented dating sims.
Implemented. If disney made something very successful, but it turns out they copied something or someone’s lesser known work, everyone will say disney is the pioneer of whatever the frick it is they copied
This. People call survival horror games resident evil clones despite it copying alone in the dark and sweet home or monster catching games pokemon clones despite SMT existing for a decade before pokemon.
Superman and Batman are probably two of the most well known characters in existence and they're literally bootleg imitations of Doc Savage and The Shadow.
This, fire emblem only lives off incels being desperate to date cartoons
The real question is why don't more games do the same?
Because most devs are trannies who think exactly like that gay and want games to be boring as frick
>esc
Read a book anon
TPBP
can confirm teenage me onl played fire emblem conquest for the hot lady on the cover. now that I am older I think that it was shit.
>Teenage
Die zoomer
If we believe the latest producer, AW never had "main" characters and barely any interactions.
As such, no supports, no marriage, no coom.
Look at FE Heroes, it it solely driven by characters.
Fire Emblem only became a huge hit because of Smashhomosexualry and waifus. The sales didn't deliver until Awakening, and I'd say the two franchises were pretty comparable before then. Actually, the development and subsequent success of Awakening is probably what cause them to ice the Wars franchise entirely.
Rekka no Ken sold well in the east and west which prompted them to develop path of radiance for the gc. Why Ganker makes shit up all the time is anyone's guess.
and then path if radiance bombed
rekka no ken’s sales are not even comparable to awakening
Isn't this the guy that predicted we would have a new release date after 1 month after the last delay yet here we are 3 months later with zero news?
Yes, he constantly makes fake leaks.
Japan.
Anime.
They didn’t copy what persona 3 did like how they copy and pasted it on awakening
Advanced Wars is more purely gameplay driven and doesn't have RPG mechanics for making monkey brain activate when number go up.
Also the Fanservice and Self Insert shit is why people eat up the trash.
>Advanced
Both were failing until FE Awakening added dating sim and literal couple-making/breeding elements and made the IP big again. IIRC one of the lead devs of both IPs said that that appeal that made Awakening and later FE games popular isn't something that would fit as easily into Advance Wars, so they didn't do it.
It lacks coom, and I guess FE triangle is easier to understand for morons. AW Days of Ruin, ironically, ruined it a little with the artstyle and I'm still getting filtered by chapter 14, but I refuse to use a guide so I guess I'll never finish it. Gameplay wise is great though
You can't logistically setup a scenario where you make the COs frick each other like you can make the units frick in Fire Emblem
FE sold its soul
Because Japanese have a huge autistic boner for swords, bow and arrows and riding on horses for some reason.
Souls games are more popular overseas
High iq answer. They are proud of their isolated feudal era and ashamed of the modern era where they got beat up by foreigners (ww2).
But Fire Emblem isn't based on medieval Japan, its all very obviously western.
Not him but FE is based on the usually fantasy world, not anything from the real world.
The usual western fantasy. There are lance wielding knights and guys in plate armor. Its obviously a western style world.
anon, japan beat the ruskies in ww1
Teenagers who were training to be samurai, ended up operating tanks in world war 2 because of how hard the industrial revolution hit them. They went from swords to automatic weapons in less than a life time so swords and bows aren't ancient history for them
fire emblem was in smash bros
>if we keep shilling these random anime characters, we might make people think they like this shit
And it worked
my cousin and his friends bought persona 5 because joker got added to smash bros, at least a million people bought that shit game because of smash bros, Nintendies weren't obsessed with the game until it got added to smash bros
It’s a subconscious feeling of being left out of the loop. They want to get into a franchise just because it was represented well. Doesn’t always work and I laugh when it doesn’t (ARMS, KOF terry)
it takes time for a game to become popular with smash bros, fire emblem was shilled hard but it didn't sell well until awakening, Ike's game sold like absolute shit, the only reason why Persona 5 sold so we'll is because israelitetubers also shilled that troony game, none of them plays KOF or Fatal Fury and hated Terry so his popularity wasn't instantaneous, same with ARMS, but Terry did become more popular, if SNK made a new Fatal Fury game with the artstyle of Terry in Smash Bros and released it today it would sell like hotcakes, the problem with KOF is that terry is not the protagonist in that game and normies don't buy it then because they don't associate him with the games, even in his smash presentation he was presented as Terry Bogard from Fatal Fury not KOF
Smash doesn't make things sell.
Fatal Fury will still be a small franchise even with Terry in Smash. The new KOF's not being that big just proves it.
And don't give that "Terry isn't the M|C" excuses when he's a big part of that franchise.
Hell, Smashgays have been telling me that Terry in Smash will make the new KOF sell millions but now that it hasn't you people r moving the goalpost to "Well a new Fatal Fury would be be huge".
smashies don’t want to play real fighting games
Marth and Roy unironically came out in a different time and also didn't have reveal trailers before release. No one knew what the frick a Fire Emblem was until years later.
>Terry in Smash will make the new KOF sell millions but now that it hasn't
It just makes me sad, KoF is a great series but I don't understand why it never takes off in North America. Is it just because it's a direct competitor to Street Fighter?
smashgays are the definition of normies the majority of them unironically don't know Terry is part of KOF, after all the smash reveal said he is from Fatal Fury that and the fact that Nintendo israelitetubers don't play fighting games and don't shill for Terry like they did for Joker, a Fatal Fury game would sell better than KOF because of Terry
Well, to be fair the last KOF roster is smaller than KoF XIV.
There is no reason to buy a game with less content than the previous one.
Fire Emblem didn't even have more than 2 people in one Smash game until AFTER Awakening, which is definitively when it was succeeding.
You're just moronic.
>Smash Bros is the reason Fire Emblem is successful
Of course, that's why the Tellius games and the DS remakes were so successful and didn't flop at all
It helped reinforce in the consumers mind
>“oh? Fire emblem! Those characters that are always in smash bros! This series must be good then!” Awakening can be associated with those types pf consumers
smash bros shilling takes its time to make a franchise popular but Xenoblade became a success because Shulk was in the starting roster of smash bros, by the time Xenoblade 2 came out nintendies really wanted to play a game from that franchise because they already knew Shill was from there 2 or 3 years before
Fire Emblem genuinely doesn't deserve the golden treatment it's gotten in Smash. Especially since it had to piggyback off Melee to get out Japan in the first place.
Fire emblem fans can't stand the fact they wouldn't even know their favorite game series if it wasn't for Hackurai Trojan-Horsing that IP to the West via Melee.
I think we can all agree that Fire Emblem spawned rabid, mentally ill waifugays with incredible ego issues, though.
Nah cope harder smash pedo, go touch a child.
You go first
After you.
>One copy of Scrimblo Bimblo - the mystical islands please.
>Omg why can’t I Jack off to this cartoony character? Why doesn’t it have a weapon? Why is there no story and textboxes?? Ohhhh the agony!!
>this back and fourth of "no, this is you! loser!"
you gays are fricking pathetic
>JRPG fans whenever someone says something bad about their games or characters.
>atlus
moron
If people like Persona, they definitely like FE, both are Anime Waifu Dating Sims, 3H literally copied Persona that’s all you need to know.
I like FE and hate shitsona
Advance Wars just wasn't as good as Ganker pretends it is.
>Anons always say FE is only popular because of the eugenics and dating sim elements
>Best selling FE game had neither of those
Explain.
Because awakening already paved the path for later games success. They prostituted themselves out twice for a place of security
Its funny that the game with no eugenics and dating sim shit was the worst in terms of gameplay.
Three Houses has plenty of dating sim shit though?
A lot of franchises sell more than usual on the Switch.
>three houses is not a dating and shipping simulator
the moronic shit you have to read, i bet you are a woman
all the franchises shilled on meele and brawl became popular among nintendies, this is why Mother/Earthbound is popular as well even tho it hasn't had a game released in the west in a long time, I was one of those kids who wanted to play the games smash bros characters came from
Same. Emulated earthbound in middle school because of this
The devs completely gave up on it while they desperately tried to keep FE alive. Just look how many games both series have. It took all the way to the 3ds game to say alright this is our last attempt
Nintendo turned it into a Dating Sim with Awakening, Petting Sim with Fates (while giving that the Pokémon Treatment with different versions), and Grooming Sim with 3 Houses, wonder what they’ll try next. I’ll always stick to my classic FE games, these new games were never my cup of tea, pun not intended.
Fire Emblem didn't become a hit until Awakening so the real question is what did Awakening did right while every FE that came before it bombed.
The answer is simple, Awakening was the first FE Nintendo bothered to advertise.
They also advertised FE7 but none of the others after that.
7 almost got to the million milestone so yeah, the difference is advertisement.
It didn't help when you had things like Sacred Stones coming out after the next piece of hardware released (the DS in that case). A friend of mine skipped out on buying GBA games after the DS came out, despite the fact that the DS could play GBA games or the fact that there was barely any DS games to work with at the time.
the quirky supports sold awakening
being in the 3ds was a big boost too, that handheld was the perfect vessel for a game like it
It's because Advance wars is a pure strategy game while FE has rpg elements. moronic gays are going to say it's because of waifus but how would someone buying and playing Awakening when it first released even know that?
Advance wars is a cool concept but far too easy of a spamfest. Fire Emblem has a lot more customizability and the non-expendability of the units just leads to far more interesting campaigns. I loved advanced wars as a kid, but replaying as an adult, it's just nostalgia.
Because Fire Emblem is the better series
Why do you keep posting that moron's tweets? He just makes shit up constantly.
Do you have brain damage?
I can only say it from my perspective.
In Fire Emblem the units are not expendable. They progress and get stronger. Also they are their own characters.
In Advance Wars you can have a hundred units and you have no attachment to any of them, you can just replace them.
I love both series, but I understand why Fire Emblem is more popular for this reason alone.
Moeshitters
>Makes Nintendogays seethe because it's anime and somehow took away from the development of a new F-Zero or whatever other IP in their minds
>Makes AWgays seethe because it completely mogged their series in popularity
>Makes Smashgays seethe because lots of FE characters show up in their game
>Makes death seethe because the series managed to revive itself at the 11th hour
>Makes Ganker seethe because it's a popular IP now
>Succeeds anyways
Fire Emblem is absolutely based imo. It has a great story arc and generates and unfathomable amount of salt from others.
Fire Emblem is like a good underdog story.
And then after the underdog reached the top the public turned on it, so now the series spends its time running around the ring with both middle fingers up as it keeps winning to a chorus of boos.
I’m having a great time with Fire Emblem and have been since playing on the GBA as a kid. A lot has changed but it’s still fun.
>the public
It's literally just salty smashgays and a couple of longtime FEgays.
Unless you're an actual monopoly like the Madden games you don't get the success FE has had as a vidya franchise unless a lot of people enjoy it.
>most successful FE game is mobile gacha waifu hunt garbage
Very telling and self explanatory of its success
And the bland soulless logo is a testament to that
I want to know why smashies think that a series being in smash bros is some kind of "badge of honor" and by extention, that there are series who don't deserve that "honor"? It's literally just a video game, it doesn't mean shit. There's no evidence that it makes a series more popular or sell more. Why care so much about who gets into a casual party fighting game?
gayurai calls it a celebration of gaming
homosexuals consider it the hall of fame for video games although this is laughable at how many shitty shill characters got in via nepotism (bayo)
Kazuya is an example. Everyone knows souls did more for gaming in the last 10 years than tekken but harada was given that slot because sakurai is his friend. The man shits on nintendo and prefers sony.
Sakurai is friends with most devs, the real reason was Bamco to avoid too many licensing issues. Which you'll notice this pass didn't go for any new heights in that regard except for Sora where they had to involve fricking Disney.
Yup he had the goddamn nerve to say that during a presentation of more FE characters. I’d say Sakurai needs to calm his JRPG boner down a play other genres to really get a grasp and feel as to what makes video games fun and special.
>Puzzles
>Beat’em Ups
>Shooters
Feel free to add more here.
No one gives a shit about puzzles and beatemups in 2022 and only westoids (subhumans) give a shit about shooters. They are not deserving of being in smash
>homosexuals consider it the hall of fame for video games although this is laughable at how many shitty shill characters got in via nepotism (bayo)
True.
>Kazuya is an example
Tekken was literally THE fighting game of the PS1/N64/Saturn era, you utter moron.
Didn't Xenoblade get a boost in sales when they it got added to Smash? I remember reading they couldn't keep up with the orders and had to do another print.
I think after the aegis was revealed stocks of physical copies of Xenoblade 2 were completely exhausted in Japan and it charted on the eshop for a bit. That's still not that much though, ever since 2018 physical copies have always been rare and expensive, and it occasionally charts on the Japanese eshop randomly anyway. I'll concede if in a few weeks Xenoblade 3 has a significantly more successful first week than 2 as according to famitsu sales. Until then it can't be verified that this actually translates to lasting popularity.
Yup Shulk is the Marth of Smash 4, nobody would give a frick about Xenoblade if he never made it in.
People gave enough of a frick about xenoblade to raise a big stink and bring it to america. that's more than FE can say
Xeno 2 in Japan is weird because Nintendo has this special voucher program. Where if you buy certain games you get discounts on other games
In japan they don't have a standard price for games like we do. Games are priced based on their length. So since Xeno 2 is a long as frick game it's like 8000 yen which is like $85. These vouchers let people buy the game for cheap and since xeno 2 is one of the most expensive games on the shop people just use it on Xeno 2. That's why it seems random boosts or sudden sales increases randomly.
Three Houses had the same voucher program
how would you add love interests to advance wars anyway?
some sort of unique "commander unit" (like a chess king i guess)?
a campaign with team battles where you pick your CO partner for love points?
Nobody plays fire emblem
No good waifus in AW.
AW has the superior Lin
lin =/= lyn
plus she looks like shit, no wonder i never heard of her
i unironically think kozaki’s style did a lot for the series, while wayforward’s soulless shit style could only sink any game they dip their fingers into
1. Advance Wars is full of faceless goons compared to Fire Emblem where every unit is a character
2. The games are harder to a not insignificant degree
3. Waifus
4. Fire Emblem was bombing too during the Fujoshit/GCN era
>1. Advance Wars is full of faceless goons compared to Fire Emblem where every unit is a character
This is one of the main reasons, actually. Even minor characters get a little something
I only played and beat AW1 but I don't think people gave a shit about the characters as much. FE felt like it had more development and fleshing out. Waiting for the AW remakes until I play AW2.
Advance Wars is fundamentally boring, it has all of the flaws of older PC strategy games with none of their advantages because combat happens on a grid instead of a planar space.
The fact that so many maps are dependent on fog of war shit just to give the AI a chance is proof that the games are bad.
That and the unit balance especially in 2/Dual Strike is laughably fricked
FE only became a massive hit when they introduced waifu bait
Does Advance Wars let me marry Sami? No? Then there's your answer.
>All these morons going "SMASH IS THE REASON WHY FE IS BIG"
So it's confirmed that these are newbies or people who were 10 when Awakening came out, right? Awakening was literally supposed to be the series' swan song but it did really well and saved it. Awakening only did so well because of waifus and the fact that the 3DS had absolutely nothing to play on it in 2012-2013 and Nintendo was actually advertising Awakening pretty well, so people got it just to have something to play. FE didn't even have the Smash shilling it has now. Melee and Brawl only had two characters.
I remember a lot of people being confused when Marth and Roy weren't in FE7.
Roy's technically in it, just in the epilogue.
Yeah because it was genuinely confusing as frick
>both Marth and Roy are cited as being from 'Fire Emblem', no subtitle or anything
>game called 'Fire Emblem' comes out
>main guy looks like Roy, but isn't Roy
Why didn't they just put Eliwood in Melee instead
He didn't exist when Melee came out.
I bet if Melee were delayed to like 2003 we would have gotten Lyn instead and people would not give 2 fricks about Roy, Roy is only talked about because he has nostalgia going for him, along with Marth.
Roy would then be ranked up there as one of the most underrated lords, like Alm was and Leif is
His game was years out, not even in planning yet.
Supposedly, Sakurai wanted to use Leif anyways, but IS showed him their new game in development (Binding Blade) and he elected for Roy instead. Blazing Blade was designed in response to international eyes on Fire Emblem because of Melee.
It didn't need a newcomer every game, it's not Pokemon. I have no idea why they added both Marth/Roy in Melee, added Ike in Brawl when the Gamecube/Wii games sold very poorly for the time, then added both Robin and Lucina and Corrin in Smash 4, then added Chrom and Byleth for Ultimate. They didn’t even allow a cooldown period between games, meanwhile fans of other characters and series have to wait until their game has been out for a while to have a good shot at getting in. FE characters get in before their games even come out.
>But Greninja
It’s Fricking Pokémon and it’s understandable and expected, Pokémon is it’s own beast and could have its own Smash game if it wanted.
I mean the whole thing doesn't even make sense. Mario and Pokemon getting newcomers every game is expected, but I don't get why Fire Emblem is treated like this. They get new characters but it doesn’t feel like they genuinely earned their spots, therefore making them feel forced.
Fire Emblem is popular in japan, that's all there is to it.
>Melee
Marth and Roy are clones, functionally just making one character to represent a series that had 5 games up to that point with a 6th in the works. They had fricking Ice Climbers, Ness, Captain Falcon, etc. in Melee, it's not out of place at all.
>Brawl
Series has finally come out in english, is up to 9 games out. Takes Roy out, adds Ike in. Same kinda game that has Ness+Lucas for a series with 3 games with only 1 of them out in english at the time. Nothing weird about Marth+Ike.
>Smash 4
Awakening outperforms the combined total sales of like 80% of the series up to that point. Name another franchise of Nintendo's that was made in the Famicom era and had drastic growth in the 2010's with barely any change to budget involved. Like seriously, it's the only one that has unstopping growth while reaching into good sales vs pre-established but sales have peaked like most others.
Fire Emblem has never been overrepresented until Smash 4 DLC. Corrin comes from the wordt gane and shouldnt have been made, thats the only one that doesnt belong.
Why not? Corrin's DLC, and the game ended up performing as well or better than Awakening. It's not like Lucina or Roy were full effort characters.
corrin's game is the best game in the series THOUGH
I mean there was little to no justification for Corrin to be here much less taking up a precious DLC spot in Smash 4. It goes without saying a forced shill pick causes a major ripple effect throughout the fandom. Hence why Byleth was poorly received.
>“BiG bRoThEr Is NoW bIg SiStEr”
Fun fact: Corrin's sword in Smash is locked behind a paywall in their own game.
In Smash, Corrin wields the Omega Yato, AKA that chainsaw sword. You can’t actually get this sword in either of the two main Fates games, Birthright and Conquest. You have to cough up 20 US dollars (or regional equivalent) and purchase the Revelation DLC in order for Corrin to use it. So that’s a neat little factoid for you. When you think about it all, it’s like a double promotion in Smash.
The reason Byleth was so poorly received is because Corrin and Chrom didn't allow a cool down period after Smash 4 already busting a nut for Awakening. They need to skip a system generation or two.
Plus, it ruins Ultimate's gimmick "Everyone is here"
F-Zero got games up until 2004 and had a GBA lauch title, nothing wrong with Falcon.
F-Zero only had original on SNES and X on N64 by the time Melee was out. Fire Emblem had been around longer and had more games, so why wouldn't it also have a character in Melee if that's the bar that was set?
F-Zero sold more.
Mostly by being a launch title, and compared to an RPG series that was Japanese-only.
Let's compare it to Earthbound then, since it's another nintendo RPG series that has Smash characters since the original. Fire Emblem had two different SNES games that were exclusive to Japan and outsold Earthbound's worldwide saes, and more games in general. If Ness is in, it just makes sense a Fire Emblem character would get in eventually.
FE Roy wasn't much crticized only because he was just number two of his franchise back in Smash 2. Byleth isn't in the same position now.
Of course, Byleth's best timing would be Smash 6 base game when FE has managed to slim down its presentation, in that way the character is indeed rushed. Next game they’ll likely be replaced with new Protag of new game.
Regarding to timing, I think individual cases are fine. We should use a macro view to examine Smash 5, the general problem should be that DLCs and new fighters have a really big proportion for new creations but poor for veterans who've been waiting in line. It does'nt really matter whether it cannot be Byleth or someone else.
1. They're easy characters to translate to fightings.
2. They're reasonably popular.
3. People expect new characters in fighting games and Mario and Zelda are tapped out of moderately recognizable characters. That's why they reached in for Xenoblade and Persona even.
>Mario and Zelda are tapped out of moderately recognizable characters
That's why you stop putting any other recognizable characters as fricking assist trophies.
> Mario and Zelda are tapped out of moderately recognizable characters.
Because most of them are assist trophies dumbass
>Pokémon is it’s own beast and could have its own Smash game if it wanted.
This should have happened already.
It would mog the Mosou Emblem: 3 Jokes game
that would be awesome
Isn't that basically what Pokken was?
How well did that game sell anyways?
Doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t want AW to sink to the Hellhole that FE has.
is it safe to talk about advance wars?
Nothing personal, advance bros.
>its because of smash! its because of waifubait! its because of anime!
It's because FE is character/narrative focused while Advance Wars is gameplay focused.
The SRPG and turn-based tactics genres are both quite niche. I'm sure the average FE fan would prefer if the series was just a regular JRPG, but they'll put up with it being an SRPG because they're there for the characters and story.
It only became a smash hit when they introduced waifu bait though. Awakening sold 2.3 million copies. The game before, Shadow Dragon, sold 520k. The games had stories before, they didn't have the waifu bait mechanics though. Radiant Dawn sold even less.
Tfw FE probably wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Famicom Wars in 1988, it predates FE1 which came in 1990, Famicom Wars actually introduced the whole turn based strategy thing.
And famicom wars was a nintendo copy of nectaris.....don't get me wrong, I love Advance Wars more than fire emblem but sometimes I wonder what if we never had famicom wars and by that also never fire emblem and nectaris be the "recognizable" franchise.....just imagine
If some talk about tactical jrpg only think in 3 games, FF tactics, fire emlem and xcom
Fire Emblem has success in Japan, the prime demographic. Advance Wars is really only popular in Europe.
swords and magic are cooler than guns and more guns. Plus the artstyle is butt ugly
Smash happened, useless thread.
I can't wait for 1+2 Camp!
Isn't Advance Wars just Fire Emblem without the RPG mechanics? Why play a series with less mechanics? The most fun part of FE is preparing for battle and customizing your units, not the execution itself.
>Isn't Advance Wars just Fire Emblem without the _______
Yes.
You will never do things to your Fictional Character
Because Nippons are ridiculous simps and want to introduce waifu-shit to all of their products. And because they couldn't figure out how to do that with Advance Wars, they abandoned the series.
Which is fricking stupid, you just personalize every unit. Tank unit in now a LT waifu in a Tank, ground units are represented by LT waifu with a host of military dudes, and give the ability to recruit enemy CO's and Lt's.
Missile Chan!
Please fricking no. I will just continue to play AWBW.
you were going to do that anyways
Correct. Thanks for the advertisement btw. Now AWBW has a refreshless interface and triple the amount of active players. And all it needed was a failed announcement of a new game.