D4 bad was a meme started by D4 fans to describe the sheer amount of commentary (particularly from content creators) shitting on the game. Then it got picked up by D4 haters because quite frankly, D4 bad.
As someone that doesn't give a shit about Diablo 4 and is looking at it from the outside, it appears as if people that hate Diablo 4 embrace the npc meme and are proud of being one.
hell, I don't think anyone even knew about it until a couple weeks ago with those AI songs. Just a trend. Brought some attention to the game even though it was not particular rosy to the game.
As someone that doesn't give a shit about Diablo 4 and is looking at it from the outside, it appears as if people that hate Diablo 4 embrace the NPC meme and are proud of being one.
hell, I don't think anyone even knew about it until a couple weeks ago with those AI songs. Just a trend. Brought some attention to the game even though it was not particular rosy to the game.
"D4 bad" has been a meme in the ARPG circles for like 8 months at this point, if not more.
>part of the game run on a server that can make you stutter long enough to kill you character meaning playing the notorious permadeath mode isn't viable
It didn't really have much longevity. Like people at first were racing to get their characters to max level to be one of the first 1000 hardcore characters but after that everyone lost interest and it died
I used to play the hell(no pun intended)out of 2, never got around 3-4. Really want to try out 4 and see how it is, heard it's shit but I can't and don't take this place that seriously.
It's incredibly mediocre. Tried it out when Xbox pass added it, but didn't recognize any of the D2 charm. It's just like other current Blizzard titles: polished to a fault, but the underlying vision and mechanics of the game are design-by-committee and completely soulless. The story is aimed at preteens in terms of simplicity and the itemization is the worst I've seen. Give it a go on Xbox for a month if you want to see for yourself, but I would not recommend it.
The only talented people left at Blizzard work in the art department, at least that used to be the case a decade ago, wouldn't be surprised if even they left.
>necromancer little number of minions >boring cooldown gameplay >bosses with inmunity phases and adds like this was the worst bosses of wow >open world isn't open world but limited
I have about 3000 hours in Diablo 3. It wasn't until the seasons started that the game went to shit.
Diablo 4 was never good for even a second. Entirely shit game.
Classes are extremely generic and boring and felt like something from a Mobile game. Two alterations to each skill. Barely any choice in builds. Skill tree is bland and way, WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC.
That's pretty much my main issue. Everything else could be fixed in any random way, but the skill tree was a huge deal for me. It was so fricking BORING
I think I should go a bit further with my post here;
Though this is basically the same thing as saying Classes are extremely generic, since I'm mostly talking about their skills and abilities and whatnot. I think I should specify how fricking SHIT the fricking skill system was.
The cooldown based system is fricking atrocious. But what really made it bad was the over reliance on a "Builder Spender" type of system. This ties the gameplay down to a very specific style of playing which just isn't fun. You don't want to make your game fast? Fine, but there are other ways of doing that. The way they did it was fricking shit.
They said they'd go back to the roots and make it more like Diablo 2 but it was just Diablo 3 all over again
Shit gameplay with resource generators that do nothing but have to be spammed
Mandatory skills that take up your limited skill slots and wildly unbalanced classes and skillsets (proof of completely clueless devs)
Terrible itemization when they just had to look at D2 which they said they would but actually didn't
The story didn't make any sense to anyone who played Diablo 2 (the Horadrim know that the soulstones get corrupted, so they would never try to trap Mephisto in one again)
Painfully safe for an 18+ game (no nudity or sexuality, censored Andariel, Lilith as the queen of succubi doesn't use any of her associated traits to her advantage in the story)
Shoehorned some annoying zoomer girl to be the actual main protagonist instead of yourself
Tyrael mysteriously absent as obvious expansion bait (which they want to sell yearly at full price btw)
They are even trying to copy Diablo 3 rift system now, but they didn't 'copy' enough of it so it's trash.
Diablo 4 UI is worse than Diablo 3 UI in EVERY single aspect, there is not one part of the D4 UI that's an improvement over D3. No 'tab' map? are you serious.
Diablo 3 didn't have 'seasons' until 3 years after release. Diablo 4 had 4 in the first year and it's still dead.
Diablo 4 has had 4 seperate 'dupes' and 'gold dupes'. Completely destroying the past 3 seasons.
Diablo 4 has no sense of 'community' for a so-called 'mmo-like' game, no global chat. Diablo 3 had global chat since day 1.
The worst thing, no full complete trading like Diablo 3 had for the first 2 years, no 'trophy' item hunt, or trading for 'gg' items. (After trading was removed in Reaper of Souls, diablo 3 died in a month.)
Diablo 4 is currently trying to re-add features from Diablo 3, like trading with 95% of items being tradable now, but still not 'uber' items.
And don't even get me started on the $100 game, Premium Platinum Currency, paid early access, 900+ cosmetics on the store since day 1.
They added too much shit to the game like the Druid class that looks like a 700lb Body Builder and a character creater with less features than a 2005 game. Meanwhile, they pay millions to have perfect models like Megan Fox and Halsey, SUGA advertise their game.
oh, they also scammed the community with the race to 100 hardcore event where they said they would make a 'Lilith Statue' with their name engraved, guess what? no statue still LUL.
Here's the deal. Diablo 1 was fricking awesome. It was a roguelike.
Diablo 2 was good but it was no longer a roguelike, instead just an action rpg.
Diablo 3 was bad, always online, cartoony WoW graphics, and a Saturday morning cartoon storyline. The gameplay was further dumbed down with fewer builds and items giving stupid >1000% modifiers.
Now we're at Diablo 4, a game nothing like 1 2 or 3. If you liked 1 frick you. If you liked 2 frick you twice. If you liked 3 frick you again.
Diablo 4 is always online with even fewer builds and choices than three had. The action rpg combat doesn't pop and feel visceral there really isn't anything to actually work toward or enjoy except the shit locked in a battle pass for completing your task list.
It's just bad. Entirely. Like there isn't one redeeming thing to say about D4. The devs don't understand what fun is they just try to inject artistic views and shit into media instead of making a fun game rather it's a real roguelike or just another action rpg where you smash infinite monsters.
I have to blame zoomers partly, I guarantee you none of the developers for D4 played 1 or 2 and understood why people liked them and still do. I could load up D1 today and have more fun than I'd get with a free copy of D4.
To answer your question. I'm going to go with zoomers or corpo monetization.
Will D5 be always online? Yeah. They'll try again. And fail. What a fricking waste.
>Diablo 2 was good but it was no longer a roguelike, instead just an action rpg.
diablo 1 / 2 popularized the entire genre to the point where other games were called "diablo clones", similar to how every game nowadays is a "soulslike"
Wow anon thanks for sharing this I didn't know. It's not like I've played Fate, Titanquest, Darkstone, Torchlight, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, Grimdawn or a dozen others.
Thank you for your reply. Btw D1>D2 fight me.
I was seriously considering buying it in the beta. Then they nerfed everything in true Blizzard "we hate fun" fashion and couldn't understand why the players hated it and left so I knew it wasn't worth my time. I assume others saw the same thing.
Itemization just means shiny keys to jangle in front of morons to keep them chasing an ever-moving goalpost. Most people hate that trash, it's only the most autistic dumbfricks who wanna play a game for a million hours to get a 1% DPS increase. Get rid of the hamster wheel and make a real game.
And no, ARPGs don't "need" to be grindfests. That's bullshit peddled by morons who think there are immutable laws defining genre conventions.
>t. moron who doesn't understand itemization
It's not about numbers, that's what the current devs believe and why d4 sucks. Itemization is about making item hunts feel worthwhile. You want to delve into a dungeon and find a pair of gloves that allow you to change your build. Or a staff that makes you consider building a Sorc even though you're a Barb.
Good items are surprises that unlock neat things they're not just stat sticks with +1000% damage to a skill.
Look at Baldur's Gate 3, Boots of Stormy Clamour are a fricking green uncommon lowest magical quality pair of boots with no boosts to movement, freedom of movement, teleport, haste or other features you'd expect on boots, but they are build defining boots.
This is good itemization in a game that doesn't have builds so simple you HAVE to have the boots to unlock a skill. It's optional.
You can have 100 spells in BG3 play 12 different classes 12 different ways. These uncommon boots unlock another way to play and it's not just a singular build for one class, several classes can add this bonus functionality to their kit.
THAT IS GOOD ITEMIZATION ANON
>that's what the current devs believe and why d4 sucks
It's what the majority of ARPG players believe. What you're describing is a myth. It doesn't exist. The reality is that metagays will optimize the best way to kill screenfuls of monsters as fast as possible and grind until they have those items at the highest power available so they can kill screenfuls of monsters faster. That's what ARPG players want so that's what devs deliver. The genre is garbage because it caters to garbage people. >moron that doesn't understand itemization
Yes. You are.
>Provide an example in another game. >What you're describing is a myth. It doesn't exist.
I'm sorry you're stupid. But I guess you're the target audience for D4.
Any game that makes a single piece of gear defining builds is absolutely trash. That's low IQ game design. I see you are too stupid to understand this as you played Bg3 like a good NPC homosexual. have a nice day
>He never played Diablo 1 that did the same shit
Oh man I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. All I hope is it's a shitpost because being this dumb is just sad. Like I don't even want to insult you're inferior intellect it's like bullying a kid with down syndrome.
>look at this item from a turn based game with much more flexible characters that only work because their shortcomings can be made up for by other party members
Were you expecting me to spoonfeed you other examples from other action rpgs? BG3 was the first game that came to mind when I thought of SHITTY games that were STILL BETTER than D4.
If you can't recall one yourself you really need to stop playing slop anon.
It's been two or three seasons since an update, and the last ladder reset was intentionally lined up with the release of d4; they are doing their best to kill the game, which is frustrating, because it would take pretty minimal effort to throw the community a few breadcrumbs of content once or twice a year.
Blizzard knows that they make the most money on big releases, so they're going to start packaging larger story patches as expansions. See WoW getting annual expansions too.
I knew this game was hopeless when one of the devs said Incendiary Aspect "made them nervous" or "scared them" or some shit. Why does one type of build having an easy solution to the mana problem make them so scared? If it's such a problem just change the fire bolt rune so burn is limited isn't universally available.
>>Over-analyzing 101 >devs say something that confirms they want your character to play like shit
I didn't overanalyze shit, that was a blatant anti-fun statement.
It's the end of the second season. The game hasn't even gotten a sliver of content yet. It's a live service game. People have played out all the current content and await the next season which promises to rework the game in many ways and possibly make it even better. Why are you being so disingenuous?
Because it’s boring. I’m currently playing it and besides the barbarian, every character looks like shit and plays like shit. Only the barbarian is fun, but the game as so much grindy rubbish and meaningless side quests that it gets old fast. Also there’s no consequence for death on soft core, so you stop trying. And on hardcore the consequence is too severe, especially since there’s a 90% chance you’ll disconnect or get randomly one shotted at some point. The game also has no business being always online. Also Diablo lore is non-sensical and I could be barely tell wtf was happening half the time.
Fun fact: Diablo 4 is now mostly played on Xbox consoles. 90% of the player-base are playing on an Xbox console. It is officially an Xbox title. Phil said good games do not move players to a different platform but that has now been shown to be untrue.
>hardcore aren't going to leave path of exile
Most of my PoE guild is going to be swapping between Last Epoch and PoE when new leagues/cycles come out though. They can actually be pulled away for the right type of game, D4 just made absolutely 0 effort to appeal to them.
Thats a given, when POE2 comes out most players are gonna swing between POE and POE2 and maybe diablo4 if blizz manages to fix it when its expansion comes out. ARPG's leagues last 2 weeks at most, and after that only turbo autists who want to test new builds or giga casuals that play 1 hour per day keep playing.
No witch doctor, I miss my shakey homie. Was the only reason I picked up D3 and he's the only part of the series I like (outside of Diablo characters in HotS, all of them are pretty awesome, cept that b***h boy Xul)
Season 4 wont save it, neither will 5, 6, 7…
It’s just a bad game from the ground up, and tweaking and rewriting affixes and numbers isn’t going to save it.
It's just not fun to play moment to moment. The content, itemization, etc. complains are true but it's not the main problem. People still play D2 because it's just fun. The sequels aren't.
>$70+paid battle passes >pay2win race event >boring, predictable story >no Diablo fight in a Diablo game lol >enemy level scaling >same boring BIG NUMBER GOOD loot that has no impact on your "build" >everything is an attack, including spells >world events, mounts, and other gay MMO shit >linear dungeons >escort missions >skill cooldowns everywhere >no crafting >no trading >game is poorly optimized despite being a AAA title >movie-game cutscenes everywhere >forced online >KFC items >no ladder at launch >boring end game repeating the same dungeons/enemies from level 1
Yep it's truly a game made for console babbies and mobilegays. It's astounding that these brainlets will continue to eat this dog shit up, especially after Diablo Immortal. Sad! Blizzard = ultimate scam artists
Making D4 """open world""" was a foundational mistake that the game will never recover from. Everything feels like a single tiny flat area with no variance other than the paint on it.
its the worst blizzard release?
i thought about buying it since steam sale and all but decided to check the generals and see what people say and got nothing, bunch of dead literally who mmos on /vg/ but D4 got nothing.
I do wonder if they butchered the original because they knew everyone would stay on that given the choice.
Probably the most 0/10 release ever performed. Could get a negative score for ruining a good game
Generator + finisher gameplay mechanic was a massive mistake, they tried to import this garbage combat system from WoW to Diablo4 and failed miserably. The modern diablo devs failed to realize that what made diablo 2 great was that it really made the player feel like they were in a power fantasy where you turn the dungeons into meatgrinders, you really felt you were powerful and this garbage generator and finisher combat design doesnt make the player feel that way.
>shit campaign >grindy >boring gameplay >muh ultra hard mode >obscene prices for shit in the store >battle passes for full price game >literally worse than POE which is free
If you took the worse aspects of 2, 3, and immortal then rolled them into one game then you’d get 4.
I just hit 100 as sorc and I don't know what to do, I think I don't have good enough gear for Duriel or Lilith. So not sure where I should get something decent
>battle passes >mtx >forced online >is now an MMORPGhn2gv instead of ARPG >game is piss easy even if you don't know how to minmax meta-approved builds >microsoft sam text to speech shit enabled by default
Take your pick. We got more.
Playing with my HC barb was fun at launch, but that was more because I was gambling my time invested. I didn't bother making another character when it died, the game itself is just not that fun.
There are way too many reasons for why it failed which have all been discussed to death.
Somewhat related, I'm reminded of some reddit post where a dude's moronic wife or girlfriend didn't know there were more branches on the skill twig and just placed all points in the generators.
>Diablo 1-2 >innovation, new word in the genre, groundbreaking experience, one of the kind >Diablo 3 - meek attempt and relenquishing the past >Diablo 4 - the same as Diablo 3, boring, bland, safe. Does not innovate and instead takes shit from other games >unnecessary, dead open world >always online (again) >boring systems, mounts, mtx >butchered lore, story that does nothing interesting with characters it uses. >4th installment into the series and somehow game still llacks basic QOL functions >one dev spills the beans about the inventory and why they cant fix it >means that they have not programmed it >means that game is most likely outsourced >means that people who actually responsible for building D4 to begin with never worked with Blizzard / no longer involved with development >each season is on the same level of quality as D3 seasons, game ran by skeleton crew for years >somehow class fantasy is worse than what Diablo Immortal has to offer
Blizzard is dead. It's a company led by incompetent people who don't even develop their own games anymore. It's time to let go.
no plot twist instant loss ending scene where Lilith laughs at your attempt at beating her before stomping you on the ground and walking all over way, sitting on your face, pissing on you and chaining you to her throne & fade into black credits with "loot vacuuming isn't gameplay" in bold
Because its shit or something idk
it kind of is already?
>bad itemization
>bad/boring class design
>no content
this x3
I hope they improve it like they did with d3 because the gameplay is fun
didn't they say they were making Diablo 5 instead?
I don't pay attention to what blizzard says
Yup
Entitled customers that can't stand being challenged with Inferno mode.
D4 bad
D4 dogshit
It's a shame, the game is so bad we barely got any quality Lilith stuff.
>Lilith stuff.
Lillith and Inarius were two completely uninteresting characters, imo. They did their thing in the D3 story, they should've moved on.
Honestly it’s amazing just little Lilith smut there is
Not really. OW and Nier Automata wouldn't have had so much porn if they weren't good games in the first place.
>OW
Outer Wilds?
>D4 bad
>D4 dogshit
Why do people that hate this game talk like NPCs? Is the D4 bad meme pushed by D4 fans to make the haters look like sheep?
D4 bad was a meme started by D4 fans to describe the sheer amount of commentary (particularly from content creators) shitting on the game. Then it got picked up by D4 haters because quite frankly, D4 bad.
As someone that doesn't give a shit about Diablo 4 and is looking at it from the outside, it appears as if people that hate Diablo 4 embrace the npc meme and are proud of being one.
hell, I don't think anyone even knew about it until a couple weeks ago with those AI songs. Just a trend. Brought some attention to the game even though it was not particular rosy to the game.
I play PoE and I see it everywhere on every video related to it and the sequel. It has been like that for about a year now.
Should I pretend it's good to not be designated as a NPC?
the biggest issue with d4 is the item affixes are quantity instead of quality
"D4 bad" has been a meme in the ARPG circles for like 8 months at this point, if not more.
>part of the game run on a server that can make you stutter long enough to kill you character meaning playing the notorious permadeath mode isn't viable
troony core game
It didn't really have much longevity. Like people at first were racing to get their characters to max level to be one of the first 1000 hardcore characters but after that everyone lost interest and it died
Diablo 2 didn't have longevity but people are still playing it.
I assume a lot of that had to do with the fact there were less games in competition with it. Battle.net was also a novel thing then.
I'd argue it was never truly alive.
You can't cum deep inside Lilith.
the only good thing was the soundtrack
and it wasn't particulary outstanding like capcom do on some games
I used to play the hell(no pun intended)out of 2, never got around 3-4. Really want to try out 4 and see how it is, heard it's shit but I can't and don't take this place that seriously.
It's incredibly mediocre. Tried it out when Xbox pass added it, but didn't recognize any of the D2 charm. It's just like other current Blizzard titles: polished to a fault, but the underlying vision and mechanics of the game are design-by-committee and completely soulless. The story is aimed at preteens in terms of simplicity and the itemization is the worst I've seen. Give it a go on Xbox for a month if you want to see for yourself, but I would not recommend it.
The only talented people left at Blizzard work in the art department, at least that used to be the case a decade ago, wouldn't be surprised if even they left.
You never really go to Hell.
>necromancer little number of minions
>boring cooldown gameplay
>bosses with inmunity phases and adds like this was the worst bosses of wow
>open world isn't open world but limited
I have about 3000 hours in Diablo 3. It wasn't until the seasons started that the game went to shit.
Diablo 4 was never good for even a second. Entirely shit game.
Classes are extremely generic and boring and felt like something from a Mobile game. Two alterations to each skill. Barely any choice in builds. Skill tree is bland and way, WAY TOO SIMPLISTIC.
That's pretty much my main issue. Everything else could be fixed in any random way, but the skill tree was a huge deal for me. It was so fricking BORING
I think I should go a bit further with my post here;
Though this is basically the same thing as saying Classes are extremely generic, since I'm mostly talking about their skills and abilities and whatnot. I think I should specify how fricking SHIT the fricking skill system was.
The cooldown based system is fricking atrocious. But what really made it bad was the over reliance on a "Builder Spender" type of system. This ties the gameplay down to a very specific style of playing which just isn't fun. You don't want to make your game fast? Fine, but there are other ways of doing that. The way they did it was fricking shit.
I should stop fricking around and just play it, only way to find out if I like it or not.
They said they'd go back to the roots and make it more like Diablo 2 but it was just Diablo 3 all over again
Shit gameplay with resource generators that do nothing but have to be spammed
Mandatory skills that take up your limited skill slots and wildly unbalanced classes and skillsets (proof of completely clueless devs)
Terrible itemization when they just had to look at D2 which they said they would but actually didn't
The story didn't make any sense to anyone who played Diablo 2 (the Horadrim know that the soulstones get corrupted, so they would never try to trap Mephisto in one again)
Painfully safe for an 18+ game (no nudity or sexuality, censored Andariel, Lilith as the queen of succubi doesn't use any of her associated traits to her advantage in the story)
Shoehorned some annoying zoomer girl to be the actual main protagonist instead of yourself
Tyrael mysteriously absent as obvious expansion bait (which they want to sell yearly at full price btw)
It's worse than Diablo 3 in every single way.
They are even trying to copy Diablo 3 rift system now, but they didn't 'copy' enough of it so it's trash.
Diablo 4 UI is worse than Diablo 3 UI in EVERY single aspect, there is not one part of the D4 UI that's an improvement over D3. No 'tab' map? are you serious.
Diablo 3 didn't have 'seasons' until 3 years after release. Diablo 4 had 4 in the first year and it's still dead.
Diablo 4 has had 4 seperate 'dupes' and 'gold dupes'. Completely destroying the past 3 seasons.
Diablo 4 has no sense of 'community' for a so-called 'mmo-like' game, no global chat. Diablo 3 had global chat since day 1.
The worst thing, no full complete trading like Diablo 3 had for the first 2 years, no 'trophy' item hunt, or trading for 'gg' items. (After trading was removed in Reaper of Souls, diablo 3 died in a month.)
Diablo 4 is currently trying to re-add features from Diablo 3, like trading with 95% of items being tradable now, but still not 'uber' items.
And don't even get me started on the $100 game, Premium Platinum Currency, paid early access, 900+ cosmetics on the store since day 1.
They added too much shit to the game like the Druid class that looks like a 700lb Body Builder and a character creater with less features than a 2005 game. Meanwhile, they pay millions to have perfect models like Megan Fox and Halsey, SUGA advertise their game.
oh, they also scammed the community with the race to 100 hardcore event where they said they would make a 'Lilith Statue' with their name engraved, guess what? no statue still LUL.
>no statue still LUL
Really?
The statue was like 6-7 months ago.
https://twitter.com/PezRadar/status/1717019368268104074
Here's the deal. Diablo 1 was fricking awesome. It was a roguelike.
Diablo 2 was good but it was no longer a roguelike, instead just an action rpg.
Diablo 3 was bad, always online, cartoony WoW graphics, and a Saturday morning cartoon storyline. The gameplay was further dumbed down with fewer builds and items giving stupid >1000% modifiers.
Now we're at Diablo 4, a game nothing like 1 2 or 3. If you liked 1 frick you. If you liked 2 frick you twice. If you liked 3 frick you again.
Diablo 4 is always online with even fewer builds and choices than three had. The action rpg combat doesn't pop and feel visceral there really isn't anything to actually work toward or enjoy except the shit locked in a battle pass for completing your task list.
It's just bad. Entirely. Like there isn't one redeeming thing to say about D4. The devs don't understand what fun is they just try to inject artistic views and shit into media instead of making a fun game rather it's a real roguelike or just another action rpg where you smash infinite monsters.
I have to blame zoomers partly, I guarantee you none of the developers for D4 played 1 or 2 and understood why people liked them and still do. I could load up D1 today and have more fun than I'd get with a free copy of D4.
To answer your question. I'm going to go with zoomers or corpo monetization.
Will D5 be always online? Yeah. They'll try again. And fail. What a fricking waste.
>Diablo 2 was good but it was no longer a roguelike, instead just an action rpg.
diablo 1 / 2 popularized the entire genre to the point where other games were called "diablo clones", similar to how every game nowadays is a "soulslike"
Wow anon thanks for sharing this I didn't know. It's not like I've played Fate, Titanquest, Darkstone, Torchlight, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, Grimdawn or a dozen others.
Thank you for your reply. Btw D1>D2 fight me.
calling it "just an action rpg" is stupid
it was far more popular than the first one even if you prefer that one
I was seriously considering buying it in the beta. Then they nerfed everything in true Blizzard "we hate fun" fashion and couldn't understand why the players hated it and left so I knew it wasn't worth my time. I assume others saw the same thing.
How do you make a Diabloclone good?
apparently it's really hard to get itemization correct. that seems to be a common complaint.
Itemization just means shiny keys to jangle in front of morons to keep them chasing an ever-moving goalpost. Most people hate that trash, it's only the most autistic dumbfricks who wanna play a game for a million hours to get a 1% DPS increase. Get rid of the hamster wheel and make a real game.
And no, ARPGs don't "need" to be grindfests. That's bullshit peddled by morons who think there are immutable laws defining genre conventions.
>t. moron who doesn't understand itemization
It's not about numbers, that's what the current devs believe and why d4 sucks. Itemization is about making item hunts feel worthwhile. You want to delve into a dungeon and find a pair of gloves that allow you to change your build. Or a staff that makes you consider building a Sorc even though you're a Barb.
Good items are surprises that unlock neat things they're not just stat sticks with +1000% damage to a skill.
Look at Baldur's Gate 3, Boots of Stormy Clamour are a fricking green uncommon lowest magical quality pair of boots with no boosts to movement, freedom of movement, teleport, haste or other features you'd expect on boots, but they are build defining boots.
This is good itemization in a game that doesn't have builds so simple you HAVE to have the boots to unlock a skill. It's optional.
You can have 100 spells in BG3 play 12 different classes 12 different ways. These uncommon boots unlock another way to play and it's not just a singular build for one class, several classes can add this bonus functionality to their kit.
THAT IS GOOD ITEMIZATION ANON
>that's what the current devs believe and why d4 sucks
It's what the majority of ARPG players believe. What you're describing is a myth. It doesn't exist. The reality is that metagays will optimize the best way to kill screenfuls of monsters as fast as possible and grind until they have those items at the highest power available so they can kill screenfuls of monsters faster. That's what ARPG players want so that's what devs deliver. The genre is garbage because it caters to garbage people.
>moron that doesn't understand itemization
Yes. You are.
>Provide an example in another game.
>What you're describing is a myth. It doesn't exist.
I'm sorry you're stupid. But I guess you're the target audience for D4.
Any game that makes a single piece of gear defining builds is absolutely trash. That's low IQ game design. I see you are too stupid to understand this as you played Bg3 like a good NPC homosexual. have a nice day
>He never played Diablo 1 that did the same shit
Oh man I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. All I hope is it's a shitpost because being this dumb is just sad. Like I don't even want to insult you're inferior intellect it's like bullying a kid with down syndrome.
>look at this item from a turn based game with much more flexible characters that only work because their shortcomings can be made up for by other party members
Were you expecting me to spoonfeed you other examples from other action rpgs? BG3 was the first game that came to mind when I thought of SHITTY games that were STILL BETTER than D4.
If you can't recall one yourself you really need to stop playing slop anon.
It's IV
Is D2R still alive?
It's been two or three seasons since an update, and the last ladder reset was intentionally lined up with the release of d4; they are doing their best to kill the game, which is frustrating, because it would take pretty minimal effort to throw the community a few breadcrumbs of content once or twice a year.
Don't worry about content anon, they have a decade of expansions planned to be dripfed.
>Expansions
>Not just one
Lol I wish. Just double checked and the only thing I see about an expansion was this years April Fools.
Blizzard knows that they make the most money on big releases, so they're going to start packaging larger story patches as expansions. See WoW getting annual expansions too.
I knew this game was hopeless when one of the devs said Incendiary Aspect "made them nervous" or "scared them" or some shit. Why does one type of build having an easy solution to the mana problem make them so scared? If it's such a problem just change the fire bolt rune so burn is limited isn't universally available.
>Over-analyzing 101
Anon, take a chill pill.
>>Over-analyzing 101
>devs say something that confirms they want your character to play like shit
I didn't overanalyze shit, that was a blatant anti-fun statement.
It's the end of the second season. The game hasn't even gotten a sliver of content yet. It's a live service game. People have played out all the current content and await the next season which promises to rework the game in many ways and possibly make it even better. Why are you being so disingenuous?
Sorry 3rd season. I forgot about malignance as it kind of sucked.
D4 BAD, D4 DOGSHIT, D4 THE WORST GAME EVER MADE.
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Because it’s boring. I’m currently playing it and besides the barbarian, every character looks like shit and plays like shit. Only the barbarian is fun, but the game as so much grindy rubbish and meaningless side quests that it gets old fast. Also there’s no consequence for death on soft core, so you stop trying. And on hardcore the consequence is too severe, especially since there’s a 90% chance you’ll disconnect or get randomly one shotted at some point. The game also has no business being always online. Also Diablo lore is non-sensical and I could be barely tell wtf was happening half the time.
Fun fact: Diablo 4 is now mostly played on Xbox consoles. 90% of the player-base are playing on an Xbox console. It is officially an Xbox title. Phil said good games do not move players to a different platform but that has now been shown to be untrue.
This isn't the kind of game that casuals are going to keep playing long-term, and hardcores aren't going to leave path of exile.
>hardcore aren't going to leave path of exile
Most of my PoE guild is going to be swapping between Last Epoch and PoE when new leagues/cycles come out though. They can actually be pulled away for the right type of game, D4 just made absolutely 0 effort to appeal to them.
Thats a given, when POE2 comes out most players are gonna swing between POE and POE2 and maybe diablo4 if blizz manages to fix it when its expansion comes out. ARPG's leagues last 2 weeks at most, and after that only turbo autists who want to test new builds or giga casuals that play 1 hour per day keep playing.
No witch doctor, I miss my shakey homie. Was the only reason I picked up D3 and he's the only part of the series I like (outside of Diablo characters in HotS, all of them are pretty awesome, cept that b***h boy Xul)
How do you kill that which has no life?
Season 4 wont save it, neither will 5, 6, 7…
It’s just a bad game from the ground up, and tweaking and rewriting affixes and numbers isn’t going to save it.
It's just not fun to play moment to moment. The content, itemization, etc. complains are true but it's not the main problem. People still play D2 because it's just fun. The sequels aren't.
>$70+paid battle passes
>pay2win race event
>boring, predictable story
>no Diablo fight in a Diablo game lol
>enemy level scaling
>same boring BIG NUMBER GOOD loot that has no impact on your "build"
>everything is an attack, including spells
>world events, mounts, and other gay MMO shit
>linear dungeons
>escort missions
>skill cooldowns everywhere
>no crafting
>no trading
>game is poorly optimized despite being a AAA title
>movie-game cutscenes everywhere
>forced online
>KFC items
>no ladder at launch
>boring end game repeating the same dungeons/enemies from level 1
Yep it's truly a game made for console babbies and mobilegays. It's astounding that these brainlets will continue to eat this dog shit up, especially after Diablo Immortal. Sad! Blizzard = ultimate scam artists
>no crafting
>no trading
thank fricking god
Making D4 """open world""" was a foundational mistake that the game will never recover from. Everything feels like a single tiny flat area with no variance other than the paint on it.
its the worst blizzard release?
i thought about buying it since steam sale and all but decided to check the generals and see what people say and got nothing, bunch of dead literally who mmos on /vg/ but D4 got nothing.
>its the worst blizzard release?
No, that was WC3R.
didn't they get a 3rd party to do it like d2r?
Art was outsourced to a studio called lemon sky, but I'm pretty sure the development was internal otherwise.
>WC3R
this feels more like taking a piss, literally "haha lets ruin the frickin game"
>ruin it so hard that it retroactively ruins the original release
This had to be an industry first.
I do wonder if they butchered the original because they knew everyone would stay on that given the choice.
Probably the most 0/10 release ever performed. Could get a negative score for ruining a good game
Props to Blizzard for being the first company to make me pirate a game I already had installed.
Nobody plays D4. It's below even gachagay standards.
Blizzard.
Generator + finisher gameplay mechanic was a massive mistake, they tried to import this garbage combat system from WoW to Diablo4 and failed miserably. The modern diablo devs failed to realize that what made diablo 2 great was that it really made the player feel like they were in a power fantasy where you turn the dungeons into meatgrinders, you really felt you were powerful and this garbage generator and finisher combat design doesnt make the player feel that way.
I feel like the artists forgot D2 has colors that weren't grey and brown.
I did like the chicken sammich with Lilith on it, even tho she's apparently barely in the game?
They should have made it spicy tho, it would make sense.
Am I the only person in existence who thinks the angels in Diablo look like shit? But then again, so do the prime evils.
Why do people say barbarian is the most boring? I tried all 5 and only Barbarian was fun for me. The rest are not hands on enough.
Most hardcore ARPG players have been conditioned to dislike melee.
Everyone's waiting for Diablo IIIIIX to come out.
I'm convinced the majority of people who worked in d4 never played previous games and the ones that did only played d3 after they ruined it
Who even uses the numeral IIII these days besides pretentious Rolex owners.
Have they said what the next league is about? I thought about returning and checking it out. Just saw it's coming around the 15th or something.
>shit campaign
>grindy
>boring gameplay
>muh ultra hard mode
>obscene prices for shit in the store
>battle passes for full price game
>literally worse than POE which is free
If you took the worse aspects of 2, 3, and immortal then rolled them into one game then you’d get 4.
I left because I wasn't interested in constantly managing my stash instead of playing the game. But they changed that in season 4, so I'm coming back.
I just hit 100 as sorc and I don't know what to do, I think I don't have good enough gear for Duriel or Lilith. So not sure where I should get something decent
Brown world color
Horrible GUI and skill tree
Characters have zero fricking character
Just a very dull boring game
they pandered too hard to the endgame crowd and forgot to make an actual game that's fun to play
>they pandered too hard to the endgame crowd
u wot m8. The game literally had no endgame at release, just Uber Lilith.
They put level scaling so you can rush the main story and spend the rest of your days grinding for gear
no Lilith impregnation
you cant impregnate a demon
not with that attitude
why aren't her breasts exposed?
Blizzard is a corrupt organization, that's why.
>ywn receive her brown blessing
I fricking hate cooldowns. Every class plays like shit because all of your abilities revolve around cooldowns. It's dogshit design for an action game.
>battle passes
>mtx
>forced online
>is now an MMORPGhn2gv instead of ARPG
>game is piss easy even if you don't know how to minmax meta-approved builds
>microsoft sam text to speech shit enabled by default
Take your pick. We got more.
Playing with my HC barb was fun at launch, but that was more because I was gambling my time invested. I didn't bother making another character when it died, the game itself is just not that fun.
There are way too many reasons for why it failed which have all been discussed to death.
Somewhat related, I'm reminded of some reddit post where a dude's moronic wife or girlfriend didn't know there were more branches on the skill twig and just placed all points in the generators.
The only reason blizzard still makes games is to humiliate the people stupid enough to still buy their products
>Diablo 1-2
>innovation, new word in the genre, groundbreaking experience, one of the kind
>Diablo 3 - meek attempt and relenquishing the past
>Diablo 4 - the same as Diablo 3, boring, bland, safe. Does not innovate and instead takes shit from other games
>unnecessary, dead open world
>always online (again)
>boring systems, mounts, mtx
>butchered lore, story that does nothing interesting with characters it uses.
>4th installment into the series and somehow game still llacks basic QOL functions
>one dev spills the beans about the inventory and why they cant fix it
>means that they have not programmed it
>means that game is most likely outsourced
>means that people who actually responsible for building D4 to begin with never worked with Blizzard / no longer involved with development
>each season is on the same level of quality as D3 seasons, game ran by skeleton crew for years
>somehow class fantasy is worse than what Diablo Immortal has to offer
Blizzard is dead. It's a company led by incompetent people who don't even develop their own games anymore. It's time to let go.
No Monk, Witch Doctor or Paladin.
Fourth game in a row to have Barbarian and Necromancer.
no plot twist instant loss ending scene where Lilith laughs at your attempt at beating her before stomping you on the ground and walking all over way, sitting on your face, pissing on you and chaining you to her throne & fade into black credits with "loot vacuuming isn't gameplay" in bold
get woke, go broke