why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
is this the fate of all non-pokemon monster collection games? will pokemon continue to have monopoly on the monster collection genre forever?
scarlet and violet seem to indicate that might be the case, seeing how so many people defended their purchase of these latest pokemon games despite running into bugs/glitches, something that would have invited ridicule and mockery if it were not for the pokemon brand name or being associated with nintendo
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Digimon vs Pokemon was a meme among normies and not a real thing.
Yo-Kai Watch failed because studio behind it failed hard to maintain wave of hype.
i thought digimon managed to gain a solid audience in the west
what about yokai watch? how did that fail to keep the hype? wasnt there a new game on switch?
i heard it became more popular than pokemon at one point, during the 3ds era
>thought digimon managed to gain a solid audience in the west
Nope. Some vocal minorities who came here to whine about their shitty franchise flops.
homosexual zoomer,digimon was a real thing in the 2000s
Sure, it was real insofar as you watched it when it came on TV because it was "like pokemon". But there was rarely any physical merchandise or following beyond it. Everyone was focused on Pokemon, and then when Yugioh became a thing on TV, you had that one circle of people with Yugioh (pronounced You Gay Ho) cards off by themselves.
You weren't alive then.
He's right though the closest Digimon had to Pokemania was the 1st digimon movie and even that was definitely overshadowed by the Pokemon movies. Everyone went to go see 1-3 pokemon movies in theaters, only the digimon movie had that hype. Subsequent series dropped off. The games are largely garbage too, Digimon World 1 being the stand out.
Cybersleuth was really fricking garbage. Low budget shit game that focused on Kowloon rather than Digimon World, focused more on the humans and barely on the digimon, and reused aassets most of the time. Pokemon l definitely had better gameplay than it and overall better areas.
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>The games are largely garbage too, Digimon World 1 being the stand out.
>cool demon that embraces the big-brain freak concept
vs
>lousy hare with ineffective crown imagery
The United States of America might the most important country in "the west" but it's NOT the only one. Please stop pretending the rest of the world doesn't enjoy Digimon just because you can't.
Don't listen to the zoomers. Even if they're only looking at the US, they're still wrong. Digimon's had higher TV viewership than Pokemon on several occasions back when it was airing on Fox Kids. Pokemon's still obviously more popular in a majority of scenarios but don't believe the ignorance of zoomies, especially not the kid who thinks Digimon didn't have any merch, lmao.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2001-02-19/fox-kids-wins-broadcast-ratings
Digimon always had small and dedicated fanbase but it was never that big. But again - it never was supposed to be competition for Pokemon.
You-Kai watch early was going VERY strong and had everything going for itself to be strong contender vs Pokemon - Games, anime, merch was somewhat popular... but then Level-5 kinda stopped caring, games disappeared for years, already niche anime went dogshit and died and without that merch stop being marketable.
Too much satanic elements and nudity compared to pokemon.
>Too much satanic elements and nudity
Yokai Watch?
Too few satanic elements and nudity compared to pokemon.
>Yo-Kai Watch failed because studio behind it failed hard to maintain wave of hype
true, though gen-7 would look very diff if Yo-kai Watch didnt exist in more ways than one.
historical folklore yokai ( & kami ) were like the OG pokemon, they even had Hyakki Yagyō collectable cards.
Digimon vs Pokemon stemmed from the fact that both were on TV in the west at the same time and both were popular (Pokemon moreso, obviously), and both had the whole "monster catching" thing, so they were direct competitors. Being competitors made both fanbases get a little snippy at each other about who is better. I really only watched a season or two of the OG Digimon before I went right back to Pokemon.
Yokai Watch:
>most designs are too "weird" for normies
>the mascot(s), again, too weird for normies
>most/all are strictly just yokai, which is a mythology that only really weebs know
>isn't Pokemon
>the marketing was big, but iffy and vague, mostly focusing on characters and that cat and ghost all the time instead of showcasing the selection. Even after all this time, I've NEVER seen gameplay footage of it, minus a couple stills
>plus IIRC the dev shat the bed and most of their games tanked
>no potential for nostalgiabait, as it's a "new" franchise
Digimon:
>again, it's not Pokemon
>the only people with nostalgia for the franchise are those who got into it early back during Pokemania... and weebs
>not cute enough to pull in existing Pokemon fans, minus the weebs
>people generally get confused when their cute dog-thing turns into a sexy woman holding bladed fans made of gun-katana-lasers... minus the weebs
>the plots are usually too "anime" for non-weebs
>too much T&A for reviewers and advertisers in the west
>the whole concept of digivolving up and down a bunch of huge trees is too complicated for normies
>most/all are strictly just yokai, which is a mythology that only really weebs know
You'd probably be surprised at how few Yokai Watch monsters have anything to do with actual yokai.
Kinda? I remember this way differently as an American Japanon.
Youkai Watch:
>Very Popular with the Youkai Watch Boom
>Extremely popular with Japanese conservatives, it was a japano-centric alternative to Pokemon, which is viewed as leaning to more international points.
>Like for 2 Obons and a few other festivals I saw that fricking Obakeneko Jibanyan and the other 2 main mascots Komasan and Whisper
>Had partnerships with multiple massively popular regional mascots and brands
>Is still considered a major mascot company, up there with Pokemon and Sanrio
>Fell out of popularity in the West after Youkai Watch 3, which tried so hard at being American it was about as American as "My name is John Doe and I like Baseball and Apple Pie"
>Had a lot of stuff with shadowside, time travel aliens, and a fourth game on the switch
>Gameplay is radically different from older pokemon games, and arguably is the reason why newer games are the way they are.
>Otherwise pretty funny and fond childhood mermory
Digimon:
>Created by Bandai-Namco as a male alternative to the Tamagotchi
>Essentially Virtual Pet Mountain Dew, whereas regular tamagotchis are like Coke or Sprite
>Had a whole battle system that was pretty fun
>Later branched into games that are okay at best
>Regular Tamas are honestly better imo
>Never got the whole rivalry in the West, considering they're older and Pokemon is based off of that Kaiju series that I don't really remember
>Honestly I think of the franchise like Bakugons or Beyblades, general "Boy" toy nostalgia though they didn't really need to be gendered as they're pretty simple concepts
Yeah I never got this whole thing about them because they're not even "Monster Catchers." Pokemon and Youkai Watch are Mascot franchises, with one being a "Monster Catcher" and the other is a "Monster Befriender." And Digimon is just a pet.
>Yeah I never got this whole thing about them because they're not even "Monster Catchers." Pokemon and Youkai Watch are Mascot franchises, with one being a "Monster Catcher" and the other is a "Monster Befriender." And Digimon is just a pet.
To people who've played all three, it's VERY obvious that Yokai Watch is modeled after Dragon Quest Monsters more than Pokemon, right down to the "three monsters on the field who auto-battle" combat system.
>and both had the whole "monster catching" thing
Nah. There was and is no catching in Digimon.
And Digimon never ever was about collecting them either.
Surprise: people who complain about Digimon tend to know nothing about Digimon.
This. Digimon is a monster raising franchise, like Monster Rancher. It's similar to a monster catching franchise, but inherently very distinct.
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. yokai watch was bought by my friend, and he told me it was shit. I played it too then, and guess what? it's shit. what the frick who thought that a monster auto battler was a good idea?
The QuickTime event battles are geared for a way younger audience. At least with Pokemon there's an excuse of strategy but Yokai Watch battles felt like less fun versions of Mario & Luigi RPG games.
Checked! Digimon didn't flop. Its still got a group fans in the west. I myself became one after trying out cyber sleuth. I think the main problems were as these posters stated
>Digimon vs Pokemon was a meme among normies and not a real thing.
>"take a side and grab a knife" thing that is fostered there.
Over here in freedom land its basically you choose one or the other in most things. Kids chose pokemon. If you want to get into the specifics of things pokemon had more marketing and easier appeal among kids with their easy and simple as frick games, anime, and accessible card game. You can literally tune into pretty much any episode in pokemon and be caught up with Ash's adventure. Where as Digimon has an actual storyline that requires needing to watch the previous episode to get it, thus little kids fail to follow along.
>Gotta catch em' all!
Is a great slogan to get fans to overconsume.
Also whoever is in charge of digimon tends to really make some questionable decisions constantly.
I know nothing of Yokai Watch aside from pokemon ripping it off to create gen 7. Which is probably why I won't play it since that gen sucked for me.
Checked! But not necessarily. Digimon has varied and cooler designs than pokemon. Can't speak for TemTem.
This.
>yo-kai watch is pokemon rip off
Anyone believes this should frick himself with a revolver. YW is literally 4kids version of SMT.
Anyway, it failed because the morons in L5 kept releasing games every 6 months with multiple versions and the “enhanced” version to be released in few months time. Also, they fricked up in toy’s department by releasing new watches with no backward compatibility to the old ones, parents couldn’t have that shit.
i will genuinely NEVER understand how stupid people are always in charge of projects and frick things up like this
Although not a ripoff, they really did want to compete with Pokémon. Issue is, you’re never going to compete with a franchise so old and embedded into culture, no matter how bad it may get. Same reason why youtube will never stop being THE website for videos.
At least the localizers were smart enough to make the western release of Yokai watch 3 just be one game without any other versions. Sadly, that’s the last we ever got outside japan though.
>Anyone believes this should frick himself with a revolver. YW is literally 4kids version of SMT.
Then Masuda and TPC should commit suicide since they took some data and saw that kids were more interested in Yokai Watch rather than Pokemon which they saw as something only for old farts
Youkai Watch: Unironically too japanese, like what the frick is a youkai? I can read Japanese pretty well and I still have only a vague idea of what youkai are in mythology.
As for Digimons: They are actually quite different to Pokemon. The Pokemon world is very similar to ours so its more relatable. Digimon is pure fantasy while Pokemon RBY was basically science fiction.
Digimon is babby's first isekai
It predates the isekai boom by a decade and a half, the frick are you on about
I was a babby when I watched it and it is an isekai.
>Unironically too japanese, like what the frick is a youkai?
Youkai literally means demons, as in mythical monsters based on nip or chi** culture
They didn't flop. They just failed to take on the biggest videogame franchise in the world. Both series are successful, just not at that level.
As for why they couldn't compete, check
they flopped bro just take the l and go crying to your discord server lmao kek
Digimon's world is more relatable, wtf are you on about? The real world episodes mog everything that ever came out of Pokemon. Digimon did the right thing tying all the fantasy shit to a parallel universe. Pokemon tries to be our world plus, but it's too utopian and poorly fleshed out to feel real.
>Digimon is pure fantasy while Pokemon RBY was basically science fiction
I truly hope you switched Digimon with Pokemon here otherwise you're one of the most stupid posters in this entire website.
The wording is weird, but he's right that Digimon is more fantastical. The Digital World is crazier than anything Pokémon has.
The most fantastical thing Digimon has is super computer Gods (which won't be fiction for long), anything else is just happening in a digital world which sometimes affects the real world because "computer code too strong", there's absolutely nothing too insane about that when compared to the actual complete fiction that is Pokémon. Digimon follows it's own logic without a falter because everything is digital, so the bullshit is self-explained because it' all 0's and 1's, how is it that the absolute destruction of every law of physics that is Pokémon, is, in any way, shape or form, less crazy than Digimon?
>absolute destruction of every law of physics
Where?
Slugma
>Unironically too japanese
>too youkai
Not an argument when most of the Inuyasha games got officially translated into English.
The "problem" is that Yokai Watch isn't Japanese enough if anything or rather the Japanese style is too childish.
When American anime fans see "youkais" they except to see medieval mythology sword clashes like in Inuyasha with all the spooky Narakus and hot Kikyo&Kagomes, YKW feels very toothless as Japanese folklore in comparison
P.S. when I hear "Japanese youkais style", I think of something like Princess Mononoke or Spirited Away, again, Inuyasha.
When I see Yokai Watch, I absolutely DO NOT see any meaningful connection of it to Japanese folklore, like yeah it's yokai themed and whatever but Japanese aesthetics are about being minimalistic, edgy if I dare say so, visually appealing.
Yokai Watch on the other hand feels like some Steven Universe Blues Clues spinoff
What? No being in english doesnt mean shit, especially because not everyone even watched inuyasha
the problem is a lot of youkai require prior knowledge of their origins to be properly enjoyed, because otherwise its just generic goofy cartoon monsters. Pokemon pulls from things beyond just japan, so it has a bigger worldwide appeal. People can enjoy eevee because its just generic mammal creature, but not knowing what some of the youkai are based off of can just make them not nearly as appealing
Um except Spirited Away has a bunch of Western awards for "Best animated film" and whatever, it even got an Oscar and I'm pretty sure at the time nobody knew much about yokais and stuff.
The problem with Yokai Watch is that it doesn't present Japanese mythology in a cool way that would compel anime fans to be engaged with it long term
but shit like spirited away does explain youkai mythos either
my point is in order to enjoy a lot of youkai watch you need knowledge of that characters. spirited away and stuff wasn't focused on collecting any monsters so you could enjoy it without knowing shit
>stuff wasn't focused on collecting any monsters
Um except in Inuyasha the MCs were literally collecting Shikon israeliteel shards that were scattered around and held by various different MONSTERS.
So you just got debunked, pal
Yokai Watch just lacks that sweet "meta shounen" edge that even OG Pokemon had (I mean just rewatch the first ashnime episode, that was EPIC as hell).
Yokai Watch as a franchise lacks a sense of chuunibyou primo otaku epicness that is an absolute must to atttract the real deal anime appreciators
It's what kids like, see: Bakugan, Monster Rancher, YuGiOh, Digimon Digital Monsters...all have the sense of "coolness"
YKW is too docile
They should have played up their sense of "adventure/danger" and have given Whisper an epic waifu style transformation like AngeWomon from Digimon
Or maybe a masculine ghost type of form like Amidamaru from Shaman King
OG Pokemon does feel more like a shonen rather than a kodomo. It was never really all that “edgy” but it does actually mention death (traditional kiddie franchises in the west will only say “destroy” or “defeat”) and if you remember the anime had a few moments that had to be censored, like boob jokes and guns.
Shonen is so successful because it appeals both to its primary audience (middle schoolers) and a secondary audience of younger kids who start watching/playing/etc in order to be “cool” like the older kids. After all, it’s well known in the toy industry that 8 year olds will buy toys made for 12 year olds but not vice versa.
Yokai is just a name to any super natural entity. Some translate to ghosts and others to demons.
It's a distinctly Western thing similar to the console Wars, similar things can exist in one space all the time and the Japanese creators aren't trying to be adversarial or direct competitors. If something seems contemporary of a successful series it's no skin off the back of the creators if it dies out they just enjoyed making their own spin on it.
That said, shitty meme aside, Digimon was before Pokemon by a year and TemTem was a bunch of dookie butt.
>Digimon was before Pokemon by a year
In the west. In Japan, it's the opposite.
Digimon's problem is that the games were all over the place. When you play a mainline pokemon game you know what to expect, and this builds an audience.
They should have kept digimon world and slowly improve that style of game.
The mainline digimon "games" are the vpets: everything else is a spinoff, which is why they're inconsistent
>Yokai Watch 3 being in America
>”Steve Jaws”
>Space rabbit with a wannabe southern accent
>”FBI” agents
It was quite funny, but that was “how do you do, fellow kids?”
You are aware rabbits being associated with US isn't new? Rabbit is usagi in japanese so it's a pun and space because
>moons are heavily associated with rabbits in asian myths
>US were the first on the moon
Other level-5 games do this too.
>in inazuma eleven the american team captain gets extreme rabbit as his ultimate move
>the character literally named america gets bouncer rabbit
>cat shit one made the americans rabbits
Etc
Did you seriously believe that post was complaining about the rabbit element or did you just want to dump those facts?
Isn't it also because USA = USAgi?
Yes, it's what inspired Cat Shit One.
USAgi -> U.S.A. general infantry
A lot of the references like the X-files stuff felt more like "member this, fellow boomer?" Not "How do you do fellow kids".
Like they are trying to make the older audience that was still playing feel welcome since the kids were starting to move on.
They never even released the switch game in English. They made it seem like we were lucky to get Busters and 3.
They were absolutely courting an older audience, with the "Shafowside" stuff and having a Gegege no Kitaro crossover before it even got a contemporary reboot.
>Digimon
Only 2 good games, then Survive came out
>YW
We werent the right audience, no matter how cute it was. Also team-building was either RNG or only available post-game
Those 2 'good' games better not start with 'Cyber'
Literally nothing before them was good, sorry pal. Nostalgia is a b***h.
Because these two tried new things but nips are allergic to changes
How can a franchise "flop so hard" but still have regular movie, tv, card game, merchandise and game releases?
It didn't do great in the west and the nips eventually got bored of it.
It's still getting constant releases in the west and japan. It trended just yesterday on Twatter for something as relatively minor as a fricking redub of the movies. This just sounds like impossibly high standards you would never apply anywhere else-- most things that still make a profit and endure would have to be "flops" then by your logic.
not that anon but I thought the last yokai game was that y-academy one unless you're talking about digimon.
Anything that doesn't dethrone Pokemon's position as largest media franchise counts as a "flop" to homosexual OP
Man I loved yo-kai watch, especially 3. Is digimon any good anons?
I like some of its designs but can’t comment on the games, they’re all over the place (as another anon said). Some are more life-sim like, some are just virtual pets, others are weird turn-based strategy with the worst maps I’ve ever seen and some are Survive. Whenever you want to play a digimon game you’re kind of rolling the dice on what it’ll be. Better to stick to stuff like the anime and/or TCG.
Designs. It is always designs.
Digimon, TemTem and others always have inferior designer teams that don't have a solid idea of how designs should work.
In monster collecting game, the visual looks of the monsters are paramount.
Please do tell me "how designs should work". I'm sure you know what gets the average braindead normalgay's gnoggin' joggin'.
checked
it is almost always the designs
just fricking look at theythem
does all the shit pokemon fans want, and is still trash (and forgotten and flopped) because of the horrid artstyle and monster designs (hilariously, the only good design in that entire game is a fanmade pokemon lmao)
yokai watch is probably the only competitor with a good artstyle and somewhat okay designs
>does all the shit pokemon fans want, and is still trash (and forgotten and flopped) because of the horrid artstyle and monster designs (hilariously, the only good design in that entire game is a fanmade pokemon lmao)
Temtem's designs range from meh to cool, the "problem" is Pokemon fans are fricking liars about what they want in a game and Theythem devs believed the lie
theythem is shit
cry about it haha
i hope the trannies who developed it roped themselves and have their REAL names carved on their tombstones
Digimon has fine designs, it just lacks the one singular game actually uses all those designs to make a killer app
Again, this looks like a Yugioh monster.
Pokemon's premise and designs went hand in hand and struck a chord with the audience. Digimon's does not strike the same chords.
Yeah no, designs of every kind resignate with different people. Lots of people love Godzilla. Lots of people love Xenomorphs. If every Yugioh card was as simplified as Kuriboh then Yugioh wouldn't have been nearly as popular. All the pokeclones show that their pokedesigns don't mean shit.
Designs have nothing to do with the disparity between Pokemon and Digimon. It's really just mismanagement and not having games that coddle a mainstream audience.
If design really mattered at all then Pokemon would be dead by now with the shit they put out
see
people give pokemon too much free pass any other game and fanbase would've trashed their game if they released the way SV did.
even Game Freak knows they don't have to try anymore.
>this looks like a Yugioh monster.
you say that like it was a bad thing. Pokemon's most "badass" pokemon are a joke next to half of Digimon's
Yugioh and Pokemon are completely different premises/concepts requiring completely different executions. That Digimon is closer to Yugioh's execution but not its concept is the reason for its comparative failure. So yes, it's a bad thing in terms of success.
Tru, if you're going for the monster taming genre, the required design formula is to follow Pokemon as much as possible. That's the only way to success.
Meanwhile all the pokeclones failed. None of them even reached Digimon's level. It's almost as if the mascot design formula isn't what actually led Pokemon to success. It's the first one that caught on with kids and the only one that has backing to stay relevant with sugar-hover daddy Nintendo.
You are correct, it's not. It's the genius of Ken Sugimori and a handful of his associates such as Atsuko Nishida whose sheer artistic talent managed to produce compelling designs for the genre that 99.7% of the world's population will always fail to do so.
TemTem failed because of lack of talent. Everyone else will fail for the same reason.
Latching onto the seniority cope is just pathetic. People have been begging for and dying for a Pokemon competitor or replacement for some time now, and yet none have been satisfactory.
Digimon designs are better than nu-pokémon designs, moron.
t. digigay who used to be a pokégay
>Bellibolt and Eiscue exist
>digigay proceeds to post a design that's worse than both
See
.
You don't have to lie that hard.
Shine Greymon is the most based Digimon ever. Always makes everyone seethe.
You might like these designs, and it's fine, but you can't deny that they appeal to a specific audience.
Even the most recent pokemon designs aren't actually bad for the most part, they look bad because the games fricking sucks. But the designs are solid, and in the merchandise/anime they tend to look a lot better.
Pokemon simply appeals to a wider audience than horny and edgy teenage boys.
>they look bad because the games fricking sucks. But the designs are solid
No.
LOL I had the same reaction but I just moved on, wasn't even worth giving him a (you)
Honestly, all of Digimons most powerful and iconic megas being robot dudes is pretty samey tbh. At least with pokemon, the final form looks like an adult form of the 1st form. With Digimon everything just ends up as a robot.
>Digimon, TemTem and others always have inferior designer teams that don't have a solid idea of how designs should work.
>mimic Pokemon's design philosophy and get called a knock-off brand
>do something different and still get called a Pokemon clone/killer
Face it, Pokemon has a huge chokehold on the monster collecting genre that no matter how much you differentiate from it, you're still considered a inferior clone of it.
imagine how much bigger Pokemon would be if Ken the hack wasn't the Pokemon designer
I'm here for Pokemon vs other Mon Franchises, not the Pokemon civil war, but uh.. Ken's art looks better there. I don't even understand why this is being brought up, both artists have designed good creatures. Pokemon designs are fine until the later gens.
Why are you making me defend Pokemon?
He fricked up by picking Luxray as an example, probably trying to 'save face' by the criticisms that Gen 4 is too edgy kek Luxray is one of the coolest mofos ever I don't really think a smaller head and narrower eyes would fit Pokémon's style, but what we got is Digimonesque enough
Like, a better example would be Dragonite. "we thought continuing from Dragonair would be simply too elegant and serious, more fitting for a flawless legendary, so we made him all fat with a round friendly face"
>proof that Ken babified and made luxray worse on purpose
>still gobbles it up
You know, maybe the charizardrino pandering is not so bad after all.
Whether you guys get another Charizard or not doesn't bother me, but it's probably better than whatever other slop they might make. Personally though I preferred Venusaur. Venusaur is peak Pokemon design.
Sugimori's designs just werk and are largely why the franchise is still alive to this day. Post-Sugi designs are garbage hence why Galar and Paldea are awful. There's a few standouts but largely awful.
>Dragonite
Designed by morimoto, dil8
Good artstyle but the problem there are a lot of recolors of the fricking cat. You can get away with a couple like how Pokemon got away with pikas and the therians but after a while it's too much.
Digimon IS a flop and anyone claiming otherwise is insane. Modern day digimon has an anime, TCG, and occasional low budget JRPG release but barely makes a blip.
Let's look at some numbers then shall we:
https://steamdb.info/app/1530160/charts/
>All time peak for Next Order (latest game)
>1,685 (five months ago on release)
>Survive
>All time peak 6,179 (twelve months ago on release
https://steamdb.info/app/871980/charts/
>Cyber bawds
>2,404 (four years ago on release)
https://steamdb.info/app/1042550/charts/
Digimon wishes it could do Pokemon numbers but the games are garbage, no one cards about the gacha, let alone the TCG.
also
>fitbit gimmick
Aren't the PC versions of these games like the tertiary releases?
Are you sure you want to post Steam numbers?
how is this an argument? yes little town hero is a flop, but pokemon isn't
why are you posting steam play numbers instead of ps and switch total purchases like... what
The real reason is because Pokémon fans only care about "vibes". They just want to turn their brain off, put on some Black person lofi and toss a glitchy ball at their Hatterene all day. No idea about YW, but any Pokémon fan would piss themselves and cry if they touched a Vpet or played World 1 and their Digimon just died.
Pretty sure Pokémon fans would also piss themselves at seeing the monsters have wills of their own as well and be capable of being antagonists in the anime.
>Pretty sure Pokémon fans would also piss themselves at seeing the monsters have wills of their own as well and be capable of being antagonists in the anime.
That's pretty much every Pokemon movie.
They are shit too, monster collection games is a cursed genre
And unpopular in Current year people now collect gacha waifus like blue archive, fgo, nikke,arknights, genshin etc .
No. That's just the cutsed evolution.
You were a kid, you collect cool monsters. Now you are an adult, and a wanker, so you collect waifus.
>gachashit
>waifushit
you are free to leave the board whenever
dont return
i am sure it will be freed from this curse eventually
i mean some developer has got to have the brains to make the right decisions and pull it off
The developers would have to stop being autistic for ten minutes and realize nobody cares how complicated their breeding system is or how long it takes to get a max level eugenics monster.
Take a look at each mascot. Which ones are most appealing to kids? Adults?
Nobody wanted to play the game with the ugly fricking ghost. Even if they realized their colossal frick-up and changed it to a red cat later
Some of their coomer monsters were alright though
>Left character
>b**bas barely covered
How is this allowed in a kids show?
They want those kids to grow up and marry a fertile Japanese woman instead of jerking their tiny schlongs to anime e-girls at age 35. It seems counterproductive I know
>anon finds out japs exist
Agumon always made me wish a real monster like Nidoran or Totodile would've been the series mascot for Pokémon. Pikachu is a good design but it's also why designed have devolved so hard into safe garbage.
Bad mouth Whisper again.
Watch what happens.
>Yo-Kai
Level 5 can't run a franchise to save their life.
>Digimon
Ugly creatures that appeal only to a niche audience.
Pokegays will really look at a franchise worth 6 billion dollars that's been going for 25 years and call it a flop huh
Digimon's future was literally in jeopardy if enough people didn't buy digimon survive, a game many people bought JUST to keep the series afloat.
>Digimon's future was literally in jeopardy if enough people didn't buy digimon survive
You are mistaking Survive with Cyber Sleuth anon
No, he definitely means Survive. The gap in time between CSHMs first release and Survive is insane and we've been coasting off of them re-releasing old games again.
That's another issue is the demand for Digimon is way higher than the supply provided. The amount of people begging for more Digimon games, with a higher budget, is insane and probably higher than ever before.
Here's hoping Habu has something exciting at TGS.
the problem with all pokemon competitors so far is that their monster designs are mediocre (so is the artstyle, except yokai watch), and the games have gameplay that isnt accessible to a wider audience
>the problem with all pokemon competitors so far is that their monster designs are mediocre
Pokemon has Stonjourner and The Gay Duck
The difference is that Pokemon has good legacy designs. It is well known that they've been coasting on their old successes and they don't even try to hide it anymore.
the new designs are good too
much better than whatever crap the flop franchises shit out haha
one would think digimon would be more popular among the japs since they love isekai shit so much
you'll never root out pokemon because there's people who have convinced themselves it has some kind of unalienable, untouchable aesthetic that only the genius minds at game freak can manifest. it's like why people by apple products or specific shoe or purse brands. you see this in every fakemon thread where some people, for some reason, are incredibly invested in whether something 'looks' like a pokemon. every spoiler season a nonzero number of autists will collectively seethe and cope at whether something is 'authentic' or not. that kind of irrational behavior matches perfectly with how brand cultists act.
This. If you want designs that look like a Pokemon, there's that asset flip Palworld game that actively rips off Pokemon.
Such a moronic standard that nobody explains in depth
Case in point.
or just have a good artstyle and good designs
Then please explain what you mean by "good," because nobody here can read your mind.
I dont need a focus group and fifteen sources to justify why a dumpy white ghost with fat blue lips is less appealing to kids than a wide-eyed moe yellow mouse you fricking autist
I didn't ask for references, please read what I actually said without being so hyperbolic.
Nobody explains what they mean by a "good" design and why competitors lack them. This shouldn't be hard, anon.
It's not that it needs to repeat pokemon aesthetics, it's that it needs to HAVE a common aesthetic. All competitors do their designs without set theme or rules and it shows that they don't invest time in making them. They probably go "oh this looks cool enough, accepted". You'll never come close to pokemon with that workflow.
And yet with every new release we get people complaining that the new Pokemon don't look like Pokemon.
But Pokemon's aesthetic IS one-of-a-kind. Even Sanrio - whose entire premise is being marketable - has quite a few characters who look like total shit next to Sprigatito.
really dont like the word flop because these franchises are alive and doing their thing. thats all that matters as a regular game. just look how many people enjoyed cyber bawds. pokemon is the most appealing to normies which also means bland/stale/brain dead and toddler safe but that rakes in the cash. pokemon has the most appealing designs+evolution mechanic for most for example. the other games are going for more specific audiences so of course their demographics will be smaller. digimon has unnatural evolution mechanics with tons of complicated designs. it has many edgy human/knight mons or edgy anthros and very anime plots with sex appeal/breasts everywhere. digimon also has different fricking games each time. it makes digimon feel like its going waaay more for a male audience than a female one which is another thing that makes it smaller compared to gender neutral pokemon. yokai watch has genuinely goofy fricked up weird ass designs and a huge cultural barrier so its going for a japanese audience while the foreigners are left scratching their head or weebs are disgusted by the localization. ykw also felt the need to milk their games until they were fricking dry. lets also not forget how the third game barely had physical copies. i couldnt even get a copy in my country. also god damn what were they thinking replacing the girl mc with that purple haired annoying and ugly c**t. at least let her wear her maid outfit everywhere like god damn she was so shit.
basically you dont want another franchise as big as pokemon cause its going for the most people possible (not that it can happen since pokemon relies on nostalgia/existing designs.) personal opinion is.. i think a unique game can get big when its new but wont stay big because the target demographic just isnt that big to maintain that momentum. monster games can co exist so i dont see the issue with that.
look at all this pathetic cope
just accept your mediocre franchise flopped and pokemon reigned supreme because it is simply the best monster collection game
I hope to never be such a sad human being that I couldn't respect and enjoy multiple franchises in the same subgenre.
You have to be 18+ to post here.
kys you cumguzzling homosexual.
>pokemon reigned supreme because it is simply the best monster collection game
Based and redpilled but...
>look at all this pathetic..
arrest
yokai shit flopped because it has bad designs, bad gameplay and bad setting altogether
pokemon is still the top dog because it has the best designs, best gameplay and is set in an ideal world people would want to live in
not many people want to play with ugly looking jap ghosts and shit
they would definitely want to be a trainer who trains a variety of creatures closely based on real world and take on a challenge to be the best trainer
A complete monopoly, especially in the vidya industry, lets them get away with murder.
Digimon and Yokai were never formally marketed or made as Pokémon competitors. The former was made as Tamagotchi for kids and the latter was made as direct indirection from SMT but for kids. These are word by word recorded quotes from these companies and I absolutely despise op and people like op from saying they were intended to be Pokémon competitors, with their only source being click bait journalists with no fricking source sources of their own
Direct inspiration* not indirection. Point is, they aren’t Pokémon competitors but I do agree they fill the genre as SMT once did. As others pointed out, Bamco really didn’t double down on digimon and there was no consistency. Level 5 was a complete cluster frick and the management brought down the company. We even had a former employee who worked in the old defunct USA branch and said that the Japanese woman running the branch is clueless and fricking crazy, along with a lot of details as to how much of a mess the company is, predicting the USA branch will close down soon. He turned out to be right on all accounts
I believe the only one that openly challenged Pokémon was Spectrobes.
>yo kai watch flop
Yo-kai watch literally influenced pokemon games from Gen 7 onward. The Rotom-Dex? Rotom-Phone? Rotom-Bike and Rotom-PC? All inspired by Yo-Kai Watch. It never got a foothold in the US, sure, but it got big enough in Japan to make Gamefreak rip ideas from it.
>TemTem actually had a chance in killing pokemon
lol no, I would even say fricking Nexomon had more of a shot then that garbage pile
>Mediochre to shitty designs
>refusal to make more monsters when the only other thing keeping its corpse alive is shitty PVP
>ass story with an unsavory pay off
>shitty annoying characters
>the "rival" that should have stayed dead
and of course, my favorite
>kneecapping game progression, money gain and other Pokemon/Monster taming features for the sake of fostering their cringe MMO economy
the last point alone should make it abundantly clear there was no saving this sinking ship.
>people defended SV
you homosexuals defended SwSh so hard you foamed at the mouth, at least SV had some things that made it fun to play, despite it's unforgivable broken glitchy bugs.
>at least SV had some things that made it fun to play
Such as?
>terrastilizing actually finally introduced a somewhat fun battle mechanic that wasn't just Make Move/Mon Bigger/Spikier
>while some of the ride Mechanics were gimped and they cut being able to just chuck balls at wild mons, the open world aspect that made people like PLA was still there
>most of the place was free to explore instead of the constant hand holding from every fricking NPC "rival" or "friend" that has started from gen 5 onwards, letting you journey mostly uninterrupted instead of having to listen to homosexuals like Lily, hop, hau, or that kalos friend group stop you every 5 seconds to waste your time to listen to their boring dialogue about shit you don't care about
>shiny hunting for the homosexuals that care has been reported to be at its best
>actual co-op to be able to play with friends
now I didn't say it was perfect, I have a lot to gripe about it but it felt a lot fresher playing this then Sun/Moon and certainly better then SwSh. is it comparible to GOOD games like HGSS? frick no.
i hate that they gutted the artstyle
swshit perfected the pokemon artstyle and now we will most likely never get it back
The left looks more like a mainline Pokemon game whereas the right looks more like a spinoff. Maybe that's for the best, but why does Sprigatito specifically look so ugly in that still?
looks like they improved it
you need to see your eye doctor or clean the tears from your eyes, loser
it was fun to play
and it sold millions
gonna cry now b***h?
what are you gay prostitute.
>theythem
i loved seeing the troonymons seethe seeing their game flop so hard
you should cut off your dick if you ever played theythem
Digimon didn't "flop" but it didn't capitalize on its window of opportunity the way Pokemon did. Plus Digimon is slightly less marketable with it's western comic book artstyle compared to Pokemon's uwu friendly animals. Nowadays Digimon is hurt by Bandai's deliberate mismanagement though- merchandise sells extremely well but they'll do things like not have an airing anime for years at a time or refuse to brand Digimon products as Digimon related (such as VB being rebranded as the western "Vital Hero" with any mention of Digimon removed from the marketing.)
YoKai watch was pure corporate greed though. They milked it dry while it was popular, and the second it stopped showing growth they changed directions wildly and killed it dead.
>capitalize
DIgimon was held together by its anime.
They never managed to make a single game that was more replayable than fricking RBY.
Say what you will about Pokemon, but they always up the QoL in their mainline games. Digimon still can't make a World game that doesn't make you want to grab the fricking rope, and it's a very fixable formula. They can't compete with Pokemon unless they make Pokemon-like clones like Cybersleuth. At that point, people would rather just play Pokemon
Survive was the only thing that has come out in a long time that felt like they were trying so deviate.
I'm sorry you were filtered by World.
wait for roco kingdom
trust the plan
i have more interesting pics to share, but dont want to feel like i am shilling seeing as this is the pokemon board and all
>mobile game
>by tencent
Pass, the pictures look pretty though.
>tencent
Oh okay. Immediately dropping that from my radar then.
>tenshit
>gachashit
- 1000 credit score
go shill your shit somewhere else, homosexual
>Bad monster designs
>Mobile
>TENCENT
lol, lmao even
>p2w gacha
let me guess, next you're going to post Pearl Abyss's next cash cow called Dokev, just because you never learn from how chink and asiatic publishers milk you dry
Digimon isn't primarily a monster collecting series, Digimon started as a Vpet series and that's still going pretty strong at least in japan. (even if I wish there were something more than the color Vpets and Vital Bracelet expansions currently) Bandai America is handling the Vpet side of the series poorly though. They've milked the 20th anniversary Vpet for 4 years now with recolors and with the Digimon X2 they botched it and accidentally swapped the shells on the english ones, the X3 hasn't been released, and they announced the English version of the Vital Bracelet like 2 weeks before a new model with more features and was backwards compatible was announced in japan with you not being able to use the new models expansion cards on the old one.
TL;DR Basically Digimon is doing just fine, despite Bandai America's incompetence.
>why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
Yo-kai Watch actually did overtake Pokémon for a brief period of time in Japan but they completely fricked up with their momentum and things tapered off from there. Digimon never got anywhere near as big and that probably has something to do with being born from a 90s toy fad which are about as memorable as Tiger Electronics games.
>why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
ugly designs and worse combat and no competitive multiplayer (to my knowledge)
it's that damn simple
the mons look worse and the battling is worse than Pokemon
>The mons look worse
What is this pokegay cope
You can cherry pick some bad Pokémon designs, but on the whole they’re just more endearing than Digimon and Yo-Kai Watch’s designs. And I say that at someone who likes Digimon.
This is closer to a Yugioh monster than a Pokemon.
People play this genre for pets, not monsters.
The mon stands for monster if you didn't know.
>people don't play pocket monsters for the monsters
That's how it is outside Japan. It's the reason why the word "monster" is forbidden in Pokemon media.
They're explictly not pets, they're pocket monsters. Neither are Digimon for that matter despite the vpet tamer stuff.
I'm not
. I was just clarifying that, outside Japan, pokémon are indeed not treated like monsters. I am aware that Digital MONSTERS, MONSTER Rancher and others never hide the fact that their creatures are monsters, even YuGiOh calls them Duel MONSTERS, unlike Pokémon (again, ouside Japan).
problem is... even Satoshi told his colleague that Pokemon must be treated like a pet
Are you taking him out of context and ignoring what other developers said about Pokemon which would be the most recent thing said?
???
Are you taking to me out of context and ignoring what others said in previous replies?
See
>They're explictly not pets, they're pocket monsters.
>"outside Japan", pokémon are indeed not treated like monsters.
forgot picture
>Having Pokemon work jobs is bad but having them wienerfight isn't.
>We want to treat Pokemon like Humans, so we don't want them to be working. Even tho humans work.
>Season 1 has Pikachu power electricity in mass, and Mr Mime is the family maid.
>People constantly keep Pokemon as pets in the game.
Why are there so many contradictions bros. I've never seen this much wishy-washy sugarcoated morale pandering in a franchise before.
This is why Pokemon failed after Satoshi's era.
Masuda created things like Gardevoir instead of advising Virgin Japanese to look for real girls.
I take you forgot about this.
>It seductively wiggles its hips as it walks. It can cause people to dance in unison with it.
R/B entry btw.
Nah. I don't
I would rather dating a real girl than that. Satoshi probably knows what he's cooking.
>mfw somebody at GF had a gyaru fetish and accidentally created the most unholy abomination of mankind
Masuda has never had any clue what he's talking about on the core concepts of the franchise. Gen 1/2, Pokémon are tameable monsters that flourish with humans. They absolutely are similar to pets in that regard. Masuda wanted Pokémon connection with humans to go further but they've never been able to be consistent with it. TPCi still lets humanoid Pokémon be depicted eating out of dog food bowls.
Pokémon has never been consistent post-Tajiri, and even then Gen 2 was stretching it. Never expect anything out of this series' lore or setting.
and where is the 'monster' part?
>most people in the Pokémon world probably wouldn't want to use Pokémon in such a manner as making them work to do something
>Machoke Movers
>Police Growlithe
>Flying Taxi
>POKÉJOBS
I assume when he's speaking about such things is that they're not forced to do those jobs.
Are they compensated? Or tamed?
Arresterdramon is cool, frick off.
better than digishit
cry more nerd
your flop franchise is forgotten and yeah, thats right, flop!
digishit will never be as big as pokemon
this
>calyshit
>“durr deez”
Put deez nutz in your mouth
You wish.
everyone knows the designs from Gen V onward are usually majority shit
I like calyrex
Calyrex is ugly as hell but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy his DLC. He is a cool legendary.
Monster games keep trying new moronic gimmicks that noone wants to do. They should just straight up copy Pokemon but with a new skin without trying to "innovate" their own thing. Just keep the old features gamefreak removed and balance it out and it would probably do better then every Pokemon competitor combined.
Honestly, yeah. If they were just absolutely shameless about ripping off pokemon but end up doing a better job, the game would likely do well. All the shitposting about some noname devdoing a better job than gamefreak would be so much free advertising.
I never played temtem but didnt it basically try this? I know it dropped off but for an indie game I remember hearing they did well initially. Biggest reason nobody hears about it anymore is probably because they only released the one game.
>theythem
troony flop
hope those trannies were satisfied seeing their flop drown and fade away in obscurity; thinking they can ever "kill" pokemon by ripping off lamely and pretending the games need to be tedious and hard to appeal to them just because they have nothing better to do in their miserable lives besides fapping (which they cant do anymore)
pokemon will always be the best
all of these shitty "killers" will flop like the worthless fricking flops they are
Obsessed
Temtem's lack of frickable Tems is what killed them. The games are temporarily, but the furry porn keeps the series in minds of its fans for better or for worse.
>I never played temtem but didnt it basically try this?
Temtem is a pokemon clone 1:1 with the worst mmo mechanics possible stacked on top of it
i will only play pokemon because it is my childhood and i dont care about what nitpicky buttholes on the internet say about the newest games because they cannot handle seeing pokemon making big numbers while their flop franchises struggle to make enough to support development of their next flop
go play your flop games and stop shitting up this board with your flop forgotten franchises
i know you just want an excuse to shill your mediocre franchises here
GET OFF this board, loser
>Yo-Kai Watch
Tons of ugly designs.
>Digimon
Tons of niche (albeit good) designs.
There's a lot more to it, but if Tamagotchi clones (like Cocotama and Catch! Teenieping) have better character designs than most Pokeclones, then something's up.
>literal who shit franchises
why bring up these flopslops?
Catch! Teenieping is by the Miraculous Ladybug team and is slowly creeping up to YKW levels of popularity. Cocotama is also semi-popular in Japan and western kemono communities.
>flop shit flop flop shit
And people wonder why everyone mocks Pokegays. When everyone knows your insults have no grounding in reality you just look deranged.
That tard defending nu-pokemon is the definition of a snoy.
The only thing TemTem is killing is themselves (41% chance).
environment/world-design and more importantly, monster design, is superior in pokemon. they discovered that people vastly prefer creatures that for the most part look like they could fit into the environment naturally and don't look too manmade and/or grotesque. yokai watch designs are too japanese for the west
>that for the most part look like they could fit into the environment naturally
This hasn't been true since Gen 5 and Pokémon is more successful now than it's ever been since Gen 1. Clearly no one gives a frick about the quality of the designs.
You're delusional dude. It just has to look somewhat cohesive for the generation and resemble a generic enough monster.
I hate Genwunners because ya'll always sound like you did too many whippets. Just babbling the same talking points with zero brain cells.
A revolving mascot would've been pretty cool.
Digimania has never been a thing.
>It just has to look somewhat cohesive for the generation and resemble a generic enough monster.
Again, this hasn't been true since Gen 5. You sound like a fricking slurper defending garbage like Calyrex and Fidough.
>y'all
You need to be gassed.
>Wants monsters that look like animals
>Complains about Fidough
>Cherrypicks examples like Calyrex
>Mewtwo has penis fingers
Uhhhhhh
>y'all
>You need to be gassed.
The frick you have against someone who says ya'll? You think I'm a hick or some shit?
monsters that look like animals
I want monsters to look like monsters. Make everything Nidoking and not fricking Inteleon.
>digimania has never been a thing
Uhh, not in the US.
Adventure was frickin huge in Japan
Not as huge as pokemon, but neither was anything else in the history of the world. Might as well be comparing Disney or Star Wars or Harry Potter or some shit, Pokemon's success has nothing to do with the specific differences between it and other monster collecting series, it's much bigger than that.
>Digimania
Wrong.
>Adventure was frickin huge in Japan
In general, the show was very popular outside the USA. Most likely because everyone else got a decent dub. Also because other places have the "two cakes" mentality instead of "take a side and grab a knife" thing that is fostered there.
When I was a kid all the kids watched both shows.
I'm American by the way and we were the target demographic as we were 6
I agree its been getting worse overall and for that reason GF leans hard on their older designs
If gen 9 were the first gen of pokemon I don't think it would strike a special chord with people, the designs are too topical and have no subtlety. but who the frick knows
Gen V has the worst designs overall and it’s not even close, you all got used to them and kids are used to the new ones already.
Gen V was a wake-up call to GF; they know better than to think they have enough talent to present a full new roster in isolation now. Gen IV was ugly but they mixed them around with previous gens in their debut games so they didn't stand out so much.
>you all got used to them
Always liked Unovamons homosexual. Sinnoh was a bigger offender as most of the cross evolutions were eyesores
Digimon is still going. We just had a new anime, a new game, and an ongoing cardgame.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are more forms of WarGreymon than there are of Charizard.
Digimon have in-universe justification from the start for multiple variants, so of course, though they're still different entities normally and not things WarGreymon can just shift into
My point is that Digimon has much more design redundancy, which is a gripe I see made on this board all the time about Pokemon. I swear I've seen at least five different Digimon with that same WarGreymon helmet, whether or not they're considered a variation of him. I'm not even including Greymon or MetalGreymon since their helmets/crests are different enough. I doubt there will be as many Charizard variants once Pokemon catches up to Digimon's index size.
We'll just have eight Eevees instead
This "design redundancy" point you're trying to make about Digimon is moot because since the beginning of the franchise there were sub-species variants like Betamon and ModokiBetamon, YukiDarumon and TuchiDarumon, Vegimon and RedVegimon, by God I could spend a whole day talking about all the variants introduced in just the very first batch of Digimon before even the anime came out. Their justifications for subspecies were basically what Pokemon does nowadays, being from different enviroments or being raised in different ways. Guess what I'm trying to say is that what took a decade for Gamefreak to introduce to the series (outside of Eeveelutions and some other outliers) which may have felt wrong to some people and is why they hate variants is something that's been a day one staple of Digimon and is not really a problem outside of people who have already chosen to hate Digimon for thinking it's somehow a rival to Pokemon.
Intentional design redundancy is still design redundancy so it's not moot at all. If it's a problem for Pokemon, then it's a larger problem with Digimon. It just makes no sense to shit on one thing for a certain reason and to handwave it for another.
If we are going to point at the Eevee family as a counterexample, variants have been a thing in Pokemon since its first batch too then (let's not forget the Hitmon family or the Mews either). That means they are definitely comparable. Furthermore, Pokemon has consistently added things like branching evolutionary lines and electric mice pretty much every generation, so regionals and form changes like megaevolution or gigantamax eventually entering the game shouldn't come as a surprise.
I could say there are less variants of Eevee than there are of WarGreymon and would likely still be right, though I think this is poor framing. It'd make more sense to compare similarities between WarGreymon and his previous evolutions to that of Eevee and its evolutions, and that's not even because of comparing analogous world mechanics like digivolution and evolution. It's about the amount of difference in design between the stages. There is about the same amount of difference between Eevee and Flareon as there is Greymon and MetalGreymon.
Their games were ironically nowhere near as good.
That's not true, though.
A few things. But we'll just cover the main things.
1. Visual designs. Digimon and Yokai watch are both good visual designs in their own department. But Digimon tends to either end up a big titty anime woman or a gun.
Yokai watch is so anchored in japanese folklore. that it only appeals to the japanese. As a amerimut or europoor do you really want to go and tame a grampa with a long tongue, or a long armed granma?
Pokemon works everywhere, there are monsters and cute things and they are tied to folklore and mythology but they are still cute and vague enough than people can say "oh that's a cute/cool dinosaur"
2. Consistency. Pokemon has about 1 game release a year, it keeps it in the public eye. Every year you will get something to add to your collection, something to play or do. And they release a main line game every three.
Digimon and yokai watch games also change constantly. There's a reason nintendo games work so well. Keep churning out the same shit, and leave the risky changes to the spinoffs.
>There's a reason nintendo games work so well. Keep churning out the same shit, and leave the risky changes to the spinoffs.
that's is literally only for Pokemon, all the other take their time. Pokemon is Nintendo's Fifa/Madden.
Pokemon is the lowest effort franchise Nintendo has, you could easily made a whole pokemon game using Ai for 90% of it.
Mario is the same shit. But then they have kart, golf, party for spinoffs.
Sure you get things like odyssey, but it's fundamentally the same game concept. Jump on enemies collect stars beat level. Compared to digimon. Who was a tamagochi, then a grid rpg, then a top down dungeon crawler, back to rpg, etc.
here someone that never played Mario, but of course is a pokegay who defends Pokemon sorry state
64, Sunshine, Galaxy and Odyssey, no one have ever said those game are the same but a Pokegay who needs to defend Pokemon shitty low quality games.
the only thing Pokemon offer with every gen is new pokemons and that's it.
I'll give you sunshine. That shit was fun.
But Galaxy/odyssey and 64. Were the same as hoping to Sword and shield. You're just hopping on stuff in 3d.
I'm not defending pokemon's shit state. I'm just saying that consistency helped make the series what it is. You play basic b***h games with the same vibe them you know what to expect. It's junk food.
64, Sunshine, and Galaxy all have the same basic premise. You load into a stage with a set objective, and complete that objective to get some kind of golden celestial object. Odyssey changed up the formula a little bit by removing the objective list before you load into a level.
I think if you want a pokemon killer. You'd need to have a massive backing and be able to churn out tons of content.
In modern media I think the closest thing you can get is Monster Hunter Stories. It's already got the huge backing and name brand. And has enough filler content with the main monsterhunter and dlc for said games. Now if they can just pop one mainline stories game every 3ish years and start mass producing the Felyne plushies for merchandise we can have an actual competition.
>I think if you want a pokemon killer. You'd need to have a massive backing and be able to churn out tons of content.
Absolutely. Pokemon is way more than the sum of its parts. You need the games, a show, toys, merch, trading cards, everything to even come close to competing.
TOYS!
I can't emphasise how much you need a solid plushy line.
Parents will buy their kid a pikachu plushy because it's cute soft and colourful you made that 1 year old now have an attachment to your colorful mascot and they will now buy your shit.
A good cardgame can do wonders for teens and nerds.
And a tvshow is great for kids. Just keep it like the current pokemon shit. Bright colourful and status quo
>A good cardgame
Pokemon hasn't yet figured that one out.
Card games are dying as a whole anyway. When Yugioh inevitably implodes it'll take the whole genre down with it.
There's no toys I loved more than my Digivolving figures tbh. I understand it's niche and not for everyone, but transforming figures were the only toys that really did anything for me. The Japanese versions were even better with diecast metals. I liked those things so much that I now have the full line of the reboot Digivolving Spirits figures, even BlackWarGreymon.
It's an absolute travesty that the line was discontinued though.. They teased the rest of the Adventure mons as well as Guilmon/Impmon, but they never came. I'll never find out how Gomamon can possibly evolve into Zudomon.
+Picture
Are you @0tckU3mc7lOd2k8
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ngl, I want that angewomon
I *need* that ABSOLUTE UNIT of a Piyomon.
>go on amazon
>gatomon/angewomon is 160 usd
Frick
They rebooted them??
Holy shit
Now I hope adventure 2 gets new digimental toys with the new movie coming out
Digimon is niche by virtue of its very core being "Tamogatchi for boys" and how Digimon doesn't seem to have a core genre to serve as a basis beyond that Tamogatchi (this is especially true for the anime and other games like World, its willing to try something completely new constantly but very rarely are things refined). It certainly still has casual audience pull given how even the rerelease of the shitty dub spliced movie went trending over more popular brands like One Piece and how the card game was a freakish success (having a foothold in the TCG scene's upper echelon is honestly unbelievable), but even Habu San admits that nobody really has an idea for what to actually do with the brand and it has been riding off the fame of the original adventures and Tamers for a long time.
Digimon also just does not have a plush scene, and its understandable considering how even moderately advanced forms of Digimon are as complex as some Legendary Pokemon, and generally Digimon focuses on being cool, which fits action figures and shit more, which is why you probably would see Machinedramon and Angewomon statues before MetalGreymon plushies (which does exist actually) and generally that limit does a lot more to hurt the identity than you think.
Hell the fact that even fans have severe trouble even pointing out a good game to start with for a new fan kinda furthers how this brand feels like it was never meant to be this popular.
Extra pain from how Harada, one of the biggest producers in Bamco, literally does not like Digimon and loves Pokemon.
>Digimon also just does not have a plush scene
You are so wrong about it, they recently released plushes for the new 02 movie
The rookies from the series as just as marketeable as any new pokemon starter
Both are highly successful and are still made to this day. Yokai Watch is celebrating it's 10th anniversary and has a new game in development, and Digimon has a new movie coming out soon and just released a game recently. Neither are even remotely similar to Pokemon.
TemTem
>kills itself without Pokemon lifting a finger
Palworld is next in line and it looks promising, but due to it being an indie MMO it will inevitably get stale, lose it's already niche playerbase of people who aren't already hooked on Pokemon and shut down it's servers forever
I give it three years
Digimon is way better but they have fricked up in every department so they got what they deserve. I wish they followed the digimon world 1 or Digitize Decode game designs more consistently. In addition, the animation, at least for movies, should be like the old artstyle
>why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
Yokai went innactive after 3DS era ended.
Digimon not only focused on selling v-pet toys instead but also fell for the Japan-Only Exclusivity meme and paid dearly for it, altho it recovered a bit by starting to localize its games (unlike Medarot).
At the Bandai investors meetings they admitted that Digimon is one of their most profitable brands and is driven primarily by strong international sales. In comparison, their attempts to market domestically to children have been flops (with them mentioning that Adventure 2020 failed to bring in new, younger viewership)
It sounds like they are literal morons.
Digimon has strong international sales because people hardly know about their other stuff besides Gundam and YuGiOh, so of course they are mostly going to buy Digimon merch.
And children didn't like Adventure:2020 because it was mostly shit. Around the same time, a kid who was a fan of things like PAW Patrol and Dinotrux (their desired target audience) asked me about Digimon so I showed him some clips of Adventure 1999 and he was instantly hooked. Before I knew it he had watched the entire series. I thought he would like the old Pokémon anime too but he would rather keep watching more Digimon instead (and he did, he also finished Tamers AFAIK). It's not like he's some tryhard hipster--he likes new things too, like that Super Mario game with the cat suit. And he did like the Gen 3 Pokémon games, to a point (he stopped playing them in favor of more action-y games).
How did anything you just said counter anything said in the original post
It's proof that they could get children interested in Digimon if they made something as good as the first seasons of the anime. I also pointed out that people overseas aren't going to buy shit if they don't know it exists.
Their problem is that they are imbeciles that focus on seeing HOW the brand performs instead of thinking about WHY it does so.
And you're as stupid as them for needing this explained.
I like that Digimon still uses their original style when it comes to profile artwork. They went through a weird patch with the X-antibody digimon but it's nice that they went back.
>They went through a weird patch with the X-antibody digimon but it's nice that they went back.
They never left. You have an incorrect assumption about X-Antibodies.
Digimon is very successful, it's a 25 year strong multimedia franchise, not sure who this moron is itt downplaying that. Definitely has a dedicated fanbase. Now stuff like Robopon and (unfortunately) Medabots is what you would call a flop. Duel Masters, Monster Rancher. But digimon is literally the most successful one after poke.
Duel Masters couldn't get a foothold in the west, but it's still popular in Japan.
>why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
This is true of anything that tries to be X-lite or being the "X-killer".
Nobody wants clones, they just feel cheap and whorish. Fricking Agumon selling his arse for a gram of coke.
They disrespected the fricking shit out of Yokai Watch's cultural identity of, get this, being about youkai.
Digimon isn't a monster collecting game.
digimon would better without the delete the humanshit designs only those who are literally humans, skin human, hair human etc.., not mons like omegamon, furrymons, meramon robots piedmon its a clown, myotismon is a vampire etc..
>mutt hours
>mutts ape out over tencent
lmao
the truth is, pokehomosexuals will not try any other monster collection game
they will only play pokemon, even if it is objectively bad or a mess (recent example: scarlet/violet)
their nostalgia and brand loyalty prevents them from trying anything else
gamefreak is really lucky to have such a braindead fanbase
I reccomend monsterhunter stories, 1 is on mobile 2 is on the pc so you're not stuck to the switch.
Fossil fighters 1-2 skip the latest one it was a mess.
Spectrobes is a fun romp.
I'd skip monster sanctuary it's bigged up as indie but it's pretty shit.
Temtem is ok but only if you are ok with mid designs and a always online game focused on pvp.
Nexomon extinction is a fun little thing but don't expect much from it the designs are hit and miss and tries to hard to be self aware of it's genre.
Special mentions.
Digimon series. complete coinflip if it's good or not. The newer games are better but if you go deeper into the older games they are all over the place.
SMT It's ok.
Dragonquest monsters.
Ok but the fusions are annoying and you can't keep the monsters you like.
Ninokuni wrath of the white witch.
Pretty fun but you don't get the ability to catch the monsters untill half way through the game. Nice art style.
Jade cocoon. A childhood favourite, has not aged well. You can speed run it in a few hours.
>ni no kuni
looks interesting
you are right, the artstyle is really pretty
what about the one game they have on mobile? is it possible to catch monsters in that one?
I haven't played the mobile game.
The second game drops the monster catching for swarms of little minions. But it's more like pikmin style minions than actual monsters if that makes sense.
The first one is on switch and is often on sale very cheap so i'd say pick it up when it's on sale again if you're not completely sold on it. Or just pirate it.
I have never seen a Dookiemon game (or metagame for that matter) better than Emerald.
I really wish monster rancher was better and more popular...
monsters spawning from CD's was such a fun concept. they also taught kids that lacked any irl pet animals the pain of losing your pet.
Like halo, the only thing that will kill pokemon, its itself. Or rather glowBlack person infiltrators sabotaging it from within.
You mean TemTem is like Pokemon, but GOOD and actually CHALLENGING?
Dude, play TemTem.
>There's an alternate universe where Yokai Watch wasn't successful in Japan
>GameFreak doesn't copy it for Gen 7
>The series is still good
Digimon didn't flop, because THERE'S NOTHING TO FLOP, BANDAI ISN'T EVEN TRYING WTF.
Did you know that Digimon World 1, 2 and 3 have nothing to do with each other, zero gameplay or story similarities. Not even the OG game trilogy of Digimon games could stay consistent.
I can't fricking talk about "the decline" in Digimon games because they've all been wildly different and divisive since the start. WORLD 1 already filtered millions because it was nigh unplayable without a guide & your mons just evolved into shit, died of old age / if they lost 3 fights, you don't even gave them orders.
The very first Digimon game usually heralded as the best one
>Doesn't let you control your mon, they do whatever the frick they want in battle
>Has permanent death. Even if you do everything right it will die of old age.
>You also don't know or control into what they'll evolve (not counting guides)
It's such a clusterfrick. I liked it, but I can see its weird design. The game PUNISHES you.
And every Digimon game since then, the one consistent thing they do, is requiring copious amounts of grinding.
The most similar to Pokémon would be Digimon World 2003, and I remember you don't naturally reach the gym leader / bosses' levels just by naturally playing the game. I never forget training running in circles to reach level 5 (or was it 10?) and get my first Evo to challenge Pharaohmon the first boss. Really, too much forced grinding, there's no strategy to overcome stronger enemies you NEED the proper stats.
The day Digimon tries to make good games and they fail, we might discuss, but as of today they're not even competing in the race.
Shin Megami Tensei and Persona are closer to being Pokémon's rivals.
I liked the DS games. Also, Rumble Arena 2 was fun and so is the similar Battle Spirit.
>Doesn't let you control your mon, they do whatever the frick they want in battle
>Has permanent death. Even if you do everything right it will die of old age.
>You also don't know or control into what they'll evolve (not counting guides)
That's how you play Virtual Pet bro
>It's supposed to be shit
Let's not use that as justification. Well, maybe the first game was intended to be a niche thing for hard-core fans, but the other 20 games had no excuses.
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Yokai Watch would have actually been a pretty huge success if Level 5 and Bandai would have quit while they were ahead.
Bandai themselves didn't even think it was a good idea to localize it, that was done by Hasbro, so I doubt the failure to make it big in the west really has an effect on Bandai's bottom line, Hasbro was stuck holding the bag for an IP that obviously didn't translate overseas well.
The games did great all the way through the 3DS era, evengtye spin-offs and phone game. It's when they tried to treat it like an evergreen series that would always bring profit that things turned sour.
>is this the fate of all non-pokemon monster collection games?
Name 12 that aren't Digimon, Persona/SMT, Yokai Watch, or Monster Hunter Stories
monster collection is not the big thing anymore because all are low effort, or mediocre they need something like genshin impact bu with pokemon only china can to do thAT because nips.. looooooool
All digimon needs to do is make a digimon app. Give it a robust enough AI that people can have conversations with it, but really it's just a personal assistant like Siri. And then let people battle each other on their phones. It fits in with their theming perfectly, at one point they even had appmons. Done right it could be as big as pokemon go
>why did digimon and yo kai watch flop so hard?
>Billion grossing franchise for Japanese EA
What's considered a flop nowadays?
>why did digimon
No consistent artstyle fricked up the brand recognition.
*Anything* could be a digimon, so nothing is.
Also the first episode had like 6 millions characters, way too hard to follow for the target audience.
>and yo kai watch
Most yokai look fricking moronic, and to find even a quarter of them interesting you need to actually know the stories behind them.
It never had much chance to work well outside of Japan, and inside Japan they pushed so hard on the merch right from the beginning that people got yoikaiwatch fatigue quickly.
>why did digimon
>No consistent artstyle fricked up the brand recognition.
>*Anything* could be a digimon, so nothing is.
>Also the first episode had like 6 millions characters, way too hard to follow for the target audience.
It worked fine for people with iqs above room temperature
Digimon tried too hard to copy Pokemon, when it was best as a virtual pet. Yokais are too weird and abstract for westerners. But probably the biggest reason, which people refuse to accept, but is actually a huge reason this furry shit sells, is that none of the copycats had enough frickable monsters
Digimon never tried to copy Pokémon, have a nice day.
If you can't find a dozen frickable Digimon you've got shockingly high standards for a degenerate coomer.
all digimon has to do as a company is stay up