Why did FFXIV fail? For a while it seemed like it was going to be the next big thing.
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On launch the servers had such fricking terrible latency that everyone used tank builds.
It's still bad now but it was technologically worse.
Also the game mislabeled a shit ton of it's graphical settings so people would change something that made the game supersample and get horrible fricking fps.
This sounds like schizo nonsense
This sounds like cope
It's not nonsense but more power to you. 14 is still a shit game even with the changes today.
They added another dlc to the free trial recently, it brought in some fresh meat
I know this is the same barry spam as usual but what the frick is this post
>On launch the servers had such fricking terrible latency that everyone used tank builds.
>It's still bad now but it was technologically worse.
Is this a ChatGPT response? This isn't how the game functions at all.
>Also the game mislabeled a shit ton of it's graphical settings so people would change something that made the game supersample and get horrible fricking fps.
The graphics settings haven't changed in several years, and are very clearly labeled.
My only gripe is people that leave parallax occlusion on because it looks like absolute shit.
This game would straight up supersample with specific settings. It's nothing like that now.
What game are you even posting because that's not XIV's graphics settings window
Yes it is. This thread is about ff14 and not ff14 arr isn't it? Cause ARR didn't fail last I checked.
see
barry is so mindbroken hes been resorting to using 10+ year old announcements and talking about 1.0 things
You lost lil bro?
You under the influence of something rn?
i think its barry trying to cope by talking about 1.0
hes tried to use the sales figures of 1.0 to seethe a few times before
Holy frick you're right he really is spamming 1.0 shit
who the frick is barry and why are you people talking as if ff14 arr failed?
1.0 DID fail otherwise this thread is just shitposting since the 2.0 update did fine and the game has been coasting ever since.
>who the frick is barry
well known schizo-poster who loves FF15 (and forspoken) to the point where he'll shitpost against any game that threatens Luminous Productions, even other Square games such as ff14 and ff16 for their shared staff.
he has an extreme autistic hatred for yoshida because he blames him for 15 being so shitty and forgotten because ARR stole its thunder so badly
fun fact he also loves incest and troony porn and has been caught posting it in his sperg outs
Makes sense I guess, he sounds like a gay
That last part sounds like a lot of players I met on this game in the past.
1.0 was a very fricking different game. Do your own research. You could be out of an aoe for a while fricking 3 seconds and that shit was still gonna hit you.
>still using the barry thing
bros... it's been 2 years already
he's talking about the original launch which ended up being a beta they had to scrap. different game
I had to use a tank build on my NIN, my Mudras were not working properly. It was this bad
>tank builds
There arent builds in ffxiv what the frick are you people on about
Every paladin plays like every other paladin, every dark knight like every other dark knight
There are no talents or trinkets or even unique gear pieces
When I got to the endgame and realized this I just couldnt continue playing the game, its just anti-fun
>when i got to the endgame and realized i wasn't going to grind for fifty years to get a +3 gyatt of ohio rizz i stopped playing
ok
Legitimately whats the fun if EVERYONE is exactly the same
Where is the RPG if I cant progress my character at all
Why couldnt they at least add fun itemization, gearing feels like shit
Theres no player input, theres nothing you can do differently to the other players
your problem seems to be you go into a game expecting it to be a heavily, heavily idealized version of WoW for some reason. you're expecting a game that doesn't exist
What's the fun of clearing content if you just cleared it because of your gear? What's the fun of being stuck in a fight if the way to overcome it is to go gear up instead of learning and practicing? Heavy itemisation limits skill expression in combat in exchange for skill expression while making your build (aka reading a wiki).
>skill expression in combat
The only form of skill expression in combat FFXIV offers is maximizing your rotation and moving 3 feet to the side to dodge mechanics.
>There are no talents or trinkets or even unique gear pieces
Go back to wow homosexual. You actually almost had a good point too:
>Every paladin plays like every other paladin, every dark knight like every other dark knight
What you should be b***hing about is the fact that we've reached the point where every TANK plays like every other TANK. THAT is part of whats killing the game. I almost can't wait to see what exciting new ways they think up to homogenize the classes in DT.
I only play non homosexual jobs so my opinion reflects that
Whenever I play paladin, dark knight or gunbreaker the game feels THE EXACT SAME
>I only play non homosexual jobs so my opinion reflects that
>whenever I play gunbreaker
anon....
does nobody understand sarcasm anymore?
that's half a year ago anon. the game got another huge resurgence recently and it's going to shit all over endwalkers numbers once dawntrail releases. it's already one of the most popular games in the world but it's going to hit new highs before long.
>ases. it's already one of the most popular games in the world bu
LMAO
>the game got another huge resurgence recently
prove it
You playing the game?
zones are buzzing, even eureka is regularly playable until like 2am
Eureka is active because free trial players just got access to it.
Love to see it tbf
Yep so you're full of shit, I knew it
are you moronic?
Still waiting for your to prove it, and the ad hominem isn't helping your case
Play the game anon. You can see for yourself.
I guess us servers might be dead though, cant speak for them.
>Play the game anon. You can see for yourself.
You need to actually be mentally disabled to think this is proof for anything.
Still waiting for you to prove the game's dead. ad hominem isn't helping your case.
You're the one who claimed it's on a boom right now, so burden of proof is on you. I'll be waiting, whenever you're ready
What do you want? screenshots of hubs? queuetimes? Very nebulous terms you're setting anon.
I want something that's actually proof, i.e. not meaningless anecdotal evidence
>I want proof
>well what would you consider proof
>PROOF
Kek what an exchange
Actual numbers you moron
"Trust me I saw a lot of people online!" is not proof
Well good luck, literally no MMO posts that kind of data anymore
XIV was when it was actually booming a few years ago
When and where? XIV has never posted official sub numbers. Best they ever give is "total accounts" which is a completely horseshit metric.
Wasn't it like sales counts or something?
We have luckybancho but when it showed a decline a few months ago it suddenly became unreliable and incomplete info that you shouldn't trust. Then when it showed an increase it became trustworthy again.
clown moment
I accept your concession
You are full of shit, my two FCs are literally dead (Aether and Primal)
ARR is dead as frick outside towns, which means there's barely anyone new picking up the game
Why would anyone new want to fricking pick up FFXIV? Until they allow players to skip to a current expansion, it's incredibly daunting to go through 30+ hours of mediocre story content with terrible drama and lore dumps when most people want to play an actual video game and not a mediocre visual novel. You can go read Steins Gate or Higurashi if you want an ebook thats better, or play World of Warcraft if all you care about is gameplay and jump straight into dungeons.
That's an odd thing to say, I've been seeing sprouts do yellow quests recently.
So I know at least my server is getting new blood.
I'm trying to do Delubrum but all I get are solo instances, game is dead
>even eureka is regularly playable
>I'm trying to do Delubrum
Now you're just being silly.
Eureka is active because there is no new content so players have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to do something.
>Leech resources from your moneymaker MMO to fund shit like flopspoken while leaving it the barest of scraps
>Release FF16 on a dead console
SEnix are moronic, news at 11.
ff14 didnt fund anything besides ff14 and ff16 which lost that money by flopping
Forspoken was funded by mobile shit and it didn't lose money
ff16 did
>Forspoken didn't lose money
lol
lmao
it didn't
it just didn't profit a lot
ff16 lost money
Didn't they say FF16 was already making profit 3 days after they released 3 million sales info?
they did but that ruins Barry's narrative also Luminous Productions got axed kekw
yeah the old man that wears rings and t-shirts says the game's budget was pretty modest for AAA and they didn't have any serious trouble recouping the game's development costs
>Release FF16 on a dead console
lmao yoshit-piss fanboy still trying to peddle this justification for their poor ass shit game
Conveniently forget the fact that PS5 sold as much as PS4 when FFXV comes out.
The Creative Assembly strategy
people found out pso2 is better for ERP
>do cis erp
>troony mods ban you
please don't let the infest my haven
xiv gays need to be quarantined
Because XIV is absolutely miserable to play if you remotely value gameplay, rpg elements and exploration in your mmorpgs
It's just a visual novel with hubs
Truer words have never been spoken, frogman
incredibly rare instance of a frogposter not being completely moronic.
people don't play this game, they just mod their characters to look like abominations and textfrick each-others' abominations. actual people who play the game are rare and few in-between.
>actual people who play the game are rare and few in-between.
They're Japanese. Westerners hang out on free trials in Limsa with 2 dozen coomer mods on and jerk off all day
Yo what the frick is this
average pornsick w*sterner xiv character
damn people really play this like second life the frick
yeah no shit, this is one of the very few MMORPGs that actually has gear model changes
what's crazy is that this is on the tamer side of what these people create
any custom facesculpt is already a bottom-tier abomination. i don't know what cheap korean game they're ripping these faces off of but every single modded face looks uncanny as frick.
man yesterday i watched a furious /misc/tard post a webm of a guy making out with another guy's prolapsed anus
you're gonna have to way WAY WAY WAY WAY up your game if you want me to think this is supposed to be all that cringe or all that gross
I'm pretty sure that is just a literal schizophrenic, he posts the same thing on /vg/
actual schizophrenia goes hand-in-hand with posting on /misc/ for longer than twenty minutes to be tbh, every time i try and post about politicians i hate there i get a huge number of american flags crying that my thread isn't about the current president
even if i was schizophrenic enough to save the actually gross shit and got myself banned in a vain effort to change any minds (lmao), the cringe/grossness isn't each individual character. it's the fact that people like that are the majority of the playerbase. people who actually want to play the videogame are the minority.
after all, "you can simply not install any mods" if you don't want to see that shit. but that doesn't change the fact the majority of the playerbase spends most of their gametime idling in limsa or textfricking in player houses
source?
are you serious? literally just log into a trial account, go to limsa and look at player plates. you don't need a peer reviewed scientific study for this, i guarantee you 90% of the players in limsa will have {Mare Lamentorum} in their adventure tab.
Not a source
ok cultist
>I have no source or evidence to back up my wild claims
>Better out myself as a WoW player and call him a cultist
the irony
nah if this is the worst you're "willing to" drum up and somehow everybody that plays the game is on just that level of degeneracy then you've got nothin and your time would be better spent concern trolling about literally anything else
how far into this game do I need to play to get to these textfrick spots
is the mod hard to install?
>how far into this game do I need to play to get to these textfrick spots
Just start the game and it puts you there.
>is the mod hard to install?
No but there's a discord verification process for mare which is moronic.
/pol/chad*
chads don't call themselves chads, that's not how it works. EXTREMELY virgin move
Okay
Are those fricking programmer socks. What the frick
I'm new to the game and I like it but yeah, all classes (that I played) have the same 1 2 3 combos shit and feels kinda samey, haven't played any healer class yet.
don't play healer, they are the worst designed role
unless you enjoy pressing the same single button over and over
Nobody actually likes FF14, they were just playing it to spite Blizzard. For the 1,000th time:
>people who play WoW aren't in the market for MMOs, they're in the market for WoW
I play FFXIV because I have a heal bawd who ERPs with me in Second Life after play sessions.
>FFXIV newest expansion got canceled.
Suck shit troons, meanwhile WoW just announced 3 brand new expansions.
Do you really expect anyone to fall for this
Not really surprising, FFXIV had a glorious moment to steal WoW"s fanbase but the game is so fricking janky and shittily coded and the gameplay so ass it has no staying power. People don't want to subscribe to just play a story game at this point and even that aspect of it has gone down hill.
You're fricking moronic and have no idea what you're talking about.
Instead of posting an obviously seething reply, go ahead and explain your position sweetpea.
He's correct albeit
hack devs
Never ever
At this point they can have it I don't want it, I wanted it 7 years ago.
thank god for the translation team. one of the best MMOs i played in the last 20 years and it'll never come to the states, not even the offline version.
i would resub but setting up sub and translation is annoying, plus i got a huge backlog to clear out. if you haven't played it i recommend looking into it
https://dqxabbey.com/pages/getting_started.html
I was having fun with it but got filtered because playing MMOs alone is giga boring
that's why you palsy it like a regular DQ game with NPCs in party
>palsy
play
I appreciate it, but an MMO is to be played with people and I'm not going to play with the discord morons and the japs are understandably xenophobic
>and the japs are understandably xenophobic
they don't care and like foreigners in DQX for the most part, just don't be obnoxious
Not enough boob physics.
Oh neat a schizo alternate reality thread. The big Rebirth stream coming up must have triggered him.
They annhilated class uniqueness after Heavensward to appease parsetroonys
>EoS announced
I actually wasn't expecting that
I'm fricking bored of xiv
been playing since 2.0 released
end walker is soooo shitty only xpac I've disliked the story and it really set in how monotonous their content is for me
I can't keep doing it
the zones are boring and empty, dungeons are 3 guys in a straight line, raids are just rehashed ideas with new paint, classes are all the same now
it's just ass
why can't I do any skill builds to change how my class works, why can't they add something to zones other than hunts and fates, why can't they make interesting dungeons, why can't they come up with new mechanics for raids?
they are one of the largest mmo dev teams on the planet and they only know how to make one fricking thing over and over
at least the music is good but frick paying a sub fee for that
I think that ffxiv's biggest drawback has always been catering to casuals. The reason why the raids and especially party finder are really shit (mostly this last tier) is because being a shitter gets you protection. In WoW, if you suck or don't have breasts, you don't get in raids. That's just how it is. FFXIV, you can't do that because calling someone shit gets you banned. Cross data center travel is the worst addition added in the game. Maybe they should prevent cross-data center raiding so aether can be where the real raiders are.
Shouldn't have removed Dark Arts including the autistic button mashing aka ability weaving as well as mana management.
DKR plays like PLD for years now and I hope they fricking rot for it.
Nah, for all the shitty changes DRK got, removing DA spam before literally every single fricking GCD was a good thing
I *DARK ARTS* can't *DARK ARTS* understand *DARK ARTS* your *DARK ARTS* post *DARK ARTS*
DRK has almost no mana management now it's fricking moronic. It makes the "don't drink too deep" part of the introductory quest fall flat when you can really only get punished for fricking up your MP management when you edge of shadow one too many times and you need a TBN.
Funny how the games at its lowest point and yoshit pissers still gotta deal with 6 more months of nothing
This game is gonna die real fricking hard
Someone post the side by side webm of WoW netcode vs FFXIV netcode so I can kek
literally doesn't matter, you'd know this if you played the game
whether your FCs are dead or not doesn't matter. there's frick tons of people EVERYWHERE on both crystal and aether.
How does it not matter? You can't even follow danger doritos in FFXIV quite like in WoW because everyone is lagging behind 2 seconds from where they actually are at, also it is incredibly janky and shitty feeling when in actual combat. It's not fun to get clipped after leaving a meme aoe hitbox indicator, why can't the animations just match with actually getting hit? It looks bad and feels terrible. There's a reason FFXIV is not taking off anymore despite WoW"s failures.
You say that but wow world first raiders come back for every raid tier release ever since they were reeled in by the Shadowlands exodus. The gameplay aspect must be doing something right.
post proof or you are lying and should kys
>The ffxiv shill is here
for FREE
How mad do you have to be to be posting random articles from half a year ago
WoW won, both Asmongold and Pyromancer confirmed it
>Asmongold and Pyromancer
Cocoli Coli has entered the thread.
>Why did FFXIV fail?
They've been releasing the same shit for years now. Homogenized classes. They play it too safe and every expansion is just the same but with a higher level cap. Their netcode for pvp fricking sucks.
eso is the better mmo, no monthly fees, way better exploration and gameplay all quests are voice acted
ffxiv doesn't even allow for plugins or mods, lol, its so up its own ass
Here's your gameplay bro
yeah that's every tab target mmo
cmon bro, ffxiv is literally the same shit
Which XIV class is this?
All of them
Summoner
KEK!!! This game is so shit, troons actually play this?!?
Used to be better before the influx of wowfugees demanding classes be more moron friendly.
This is even worse KEK!!! Glad this game is dead hahahahaa
>he thinks NIN was ever "hard"
jesus christ lmao
That's post-GCD nerf NIN too
5.0 was just unplayable unless you liked in jipang or commiefornia, meisui was also fricking useless
>Used to be better before the influx of wowfugees demanding classes be more moron friendly.
what? the class homogenizing thing happened in shadowbringers, the wow influx happened later in the expansion, it just went downhill from there
endbryo...really?
How is he wrong? NIN and MNK are like the only who changed since 5.0, and nin was only made more high ping friendly, in 5.1
Any lukewarm IQ person could memorize a button order. Even monkeys do it. Pretending that class rotations make a game difficult is just sad.
What are your thoughts on Genshin Impact's combat (1 button)
Genshin and Elden both require movement and other engagement like rolling/dodging. That webm the guy is literally standing still. Combination makes things harder.
Ah so you're being disingenuous for (You)s
You should get a job or some friends if you need something to occupy your time or attention
>no argument
ok
yeah sure in boss battles I guess? but that guy is just attacking a dummy showing off his "sick ability to press buttons in order" sure in a boss fight trying to combo like that with AoE's can be more difficult but you're still not changing it up, the order rarely changes and it's just muscle memory, eg: a monkey could do it
my argument be deez nuts in yo mouf lil niggy *dabs*
>no arugments
typical xiv consoomer, can't even form solid arguments for their own game. go back to editing your second life character
people would hit this shit. and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
stamping your feet and screaming "NOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!" is not an argument
I'm a legacy player, you're a modbeast troon, don't respond to me, thanks.
>coping this hard you lost
literally have 1.0 on my shelf, but keep crying
You're a modbeast/groomer, don't reply to me again, thanks.
>but in other game you dodge and press one button!!!
>noooooooooo it doesn't count in this game!!!
>They are not. You gain experience which actually changes nothing, it's an arbitrary gate to access more content types.
you can make the same case for literally every RPG
morono
one of the big "criticisms" of 14's combat shitposts make is that the combat requires you to run around the arenas to dodge attacks
>literally the same it is now, but mudra are ocds
why do you gays complain about difficulty in a MMO of all things
Difficulty is satisfying to overcome which is why many of us enjoy video games to begin with.
So you're a big FFXI fan then?
I am, yes.
Then you should be smart enough to understand modern MMOs are a different genre than XI and the games that came before it. Modern MMOs are not meant to be intensely difficult from top to bottom, they are made for a different crowd of people and not marketed towards those who were fans of previous MMORPGs. Now that doesn't mean they can't be fun, it just means if you are being autistic about their designs you are the one at fault because you are completely missing the point.
What does that have to do with enjoying difficulty? Jobs that are more difficult to play are more satisfying to master.
It means you are missing the point.
>the gameplay can't be difficult because it's not ffxi
???
Why do MMOBlack folk play that far zoomed out when they aren't playing actual content? It makes sense for dungeons/trials/raids/etc so you can see everything around you, but it looks ugly as frick and I always zoom back in when I'm just running around.
>implying this couldn't be done with any class in the game
That's a good thing. Simple is better.
WoW has less buttons not more simple, it's more autistic than FFXIV despite that
So you get the bad feeling of the gameplay and you get the bad feeling of having a small kit for your class
>pressing more buttons is better
This is really not a XIV thing but when I hear people talking about how good the rotation of their class is and thats why they play the game I call bullshit
I dont know anyone that ever went "MAN I LOVE X MMO, SHIT HAS THE BEST ROTATION EVER MAN"
Oh yeah no ER MAH GERD MUH ROTATION COMPLEXITY is a very very very specific form of MMO brainrot, nobody lauds the complexity of their rotations, that's fricking asinine
Most popular MMOs throughout the genre have not actually had any kind of rotation system, let alone one worth a pinch of shit
100% it's WoW brain rot coming from the same specific place as the complaining about the GCD speed and pretending that oGCDs don't exist
XIV has nothing outside of combat rotations because there are no RPG mechanics to speak of, so yes people seek complexity and satisfaction from them because there's nothing else.
>duuurrrrrrr its nawt a rpg becuz....... SHUT UP IT JUST ISNT
It's not an RPG because there are no RPG mechanics, it's not complicated.
Why did they do away with the attribute system from 2.0 again?
RPG mechanics are another spook that gets brought up in relation to WoW which is another game that steadily declined all that bullshit because it /wasn't necessary/ and didn't add anything
Unironically go play an ARPG like Diablo or Path of Exile if you want dumb granular D&D magic items, MMORPGs neither need nor want dumb complexity like an epic-level Wizard's Staff of Homomancy with +1 Anal Penetration
You are trying to tell me they are the hallmark of MMORPGs and they most certainly are fricking not, but I suspect I am trying to argue with a certain obsessed Australian anyways so anything further than this post is just wasting finger strength
>You are trying to tell me they are the hallmark of MMORPGs and they most certainly are fricking not
How to tell XIV was your first and only """"MMORPG""".
your idea of an mmo is a lootgen table
No, my idea of an RPG, and the accepted idea of an RPG, is that it focuses around character building. RPGs are games in which gameplay outcomes are determined more by your character's ability (determined by levels, equipment, and stat builds) than by the player's ability. XIV is not an RPG, it's a hotbar action game.
>the accepted idea of an RPG
when did RPGs get their own subspecies of ACgay
You don't get to pretend that RPGs don't need RPG mechanics to be considered RPGs. If a first person shooter was not played in first person, it would not be a first person shooter.
>you mean "pick what the meta guide says and use only that"
That's what you do, maybe.
>these are all things 14 has
They are not. You gain experience which actually changes nothing, it's an arbitrary gate to access more content types. Same with gear, which is just an item level that acts as a key to allow you into more content.
But you create a character, gain EXP and level up in this game. Those are RPG mechanics.
You can gain experience in Call of Duty too. Doesn't make it an RPG.
>Deltarune image
>Dogshit opinion
Iconic duo.
my post is TRVTH
no argument concession accepted
>it doesn't count
Ok
>You can gain experience in Call of Duty too
You also customise your build in CoD, so it's unironically more of an rpg than XIV
No, those are not RPG mechanics. Just watching a number fill a bar to gain access to more content is not an RPG mechanic.
I don't know who the frick ACgay is so there's really nothing I can say about it. XIV isn't an RPG because it has none of the qualities of an RPG.
>you can make the same case for literally every RPG
You can not. In proper RPGs when you level up you make a choice to devote points into certain stats, to choose between new skills to unlock or upgrade, and you actually grow in power. You do not grow in FFXIV. At level 90 when you queue into Sastasha, you are back at level 15. Nothing would change about XIV's content if levels were just straight out removed.
its not often you see this much cope
I suggest you play any RPG to ever exist
I've played many RPGs, thanks. That's why I know what an RPG is. You don't know what an RPG is because your entire experience with """RPGs"""" can be summed up as FFXIV, WoW, and probably some normalgay PS4 slop that has you fill an exp bar like Horizon or some shit like that.
this isn't a salient post at all in response to being told you are behaving like ACgay. even if i take you seriously you kept a one-sided debate going after you were told to get bent. incredible human being
>character building
you mean "pick what the meta guide says and use only that"
>RPGs are games in which gameplay outcomes are determined more by your character's ability (determined by levels, equipment, and stat builds)
> character's ability (determined by levels, equipment, and stat builds)
these are all things 14 has
>you mean "pick what the meta guide says and use only that"
but he's right doe
every game every player just looks up the best weapon and build and just dominates everything albeit
autistic trannies and incels are the minority and their desire for customization is not important thoughever
>every game every player just looks up the best weapon and build and just dominates everything albeit
Have you ever tried just not doing that and playing the game yourself instead? It's fun, I highly suggest it.
>autistic trannies and incels are the minority
Autists are literally the original audience for both RPGs and MMOs so yes they should cater to that audience and not normalgays who hate RPGs.
>Have you ever tried just not doing that and playing the game yourself instead? It's fun,
last time i did this in a maplestory private server i didn't have enough skill points to max out power slash on a warrior and had to buy skill resets with their free cash-shop and proprietary pserver "vote for us and get 1000" points
>moron tries to ignore when wowgays would demand you install addons to see a gearscore number or you wouldn't be able to go to the entry level raids that you can sleep walk through
>ignores the years of "NO YOU CAN'T GO TO X RAID WITH THAT SPEC!!!!"
>ignores even 14's metagayging where tanks wouldn't be able to come to group content unless they used the DPs classes right side because "the high end players do it for more dps so everyone has to!!!"
people are gonna call you moronic but this is literally what happens in every single MMO ever made that has "character building" and i'm convinced either people are just choosing not to accept this or haven't played any game in the genre outside of FF14
character building within the past 20 years invariably means "WoW, and choosing which skills to grind in runescape"
this specific guy arguing about it is usually extremely, gingerly, impossibly careful to not actually mention what games he's thinking of when he talks about his objective definitions of the genre
he has argued about this specific topic on endless loop for months but nobody's learned to just not take his bait yet
>character building within the past 20 years invariably means "WoW, and choosing which skills to grind in runescape"
Dude there have been a lot of RPGs that have come out in the past 20 years. You're just admitting you don't play video games. I'll suggest you try Etrian Odyssey.
>Etrian Odyssey
homie we are talking about MMORPGS not RPGS
We're talking about why FFXIV is not an MMO-RPG- because it doesn't have the qualities of an RPG. Keep up with the conversation.
neither do other games in the genre either by whatever moronic metric you put xiv through.
>actually Everquest and DAoC and FFXI and Ragnarok never existed
Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and say you're genuinely insane.
FFXI players quite literally want you to play the right race and job combination or they think you are less than human
That's not true, but even if it was, how does this refute the fact that FFXI has proper character building mechanics?
it literally is true lmao unless you just use trust the time in the MMORPG, and the argument from the start was always that even if games have more customization the playerbase will be the ones to enforce a meta which is why that customization never works.
NTA what character building mechanics are there? never played FFXI
you level up and your stat points are distributed automatically based on your job, you use your artifact gear, then one of 3 sets you unlock in order for gear, and weapon choice is usually one of a handful of meta options with sometimes a one of gimmick weapon for certain fights, the most character building you can do is merit points when you hit max level to get slight increases to stats
>FFXI players quite literally want you to play the right race and job combination or they think you are less than human
Not in my experience.
It isn't our fault or our problem that your conception of a genre is permanently affixed to a point in time nearly a quarter-century ago, to say the least of pretending that minmaxers weren't common or predominant in any of those games. I should beat your fricking head in for trying to point to FFXI on that but posting at you is what you want me to do so I'm gonna stop here
>It isn't our fault or our problem that your conception of a genre is permanently affixed to a point in time nearly a quarter-century ago
RPGs as a genre didn't just suddenly stop 20 years ago. It is only MMORPGs which have failed at continuing to carry forth proper RPG mechanics because they started copying WoW.
You really don't get to claim genre-savvy and what is or is not in the genre when you make stupid slip ups like this and can't (won't) determine why things work in singleplayer games and not multiplayer games or vice versa
MMORPGs, not single-player RPGs, anon-kun
See
and
And yes, other MMOs have faithfully used these mechanics in an online setting.
>other MMOs have faithfully used these mechanics in an online setting
can you name them
>see my other ACgayesque stupid posts
No thank you. Feign ignornace on who ACgay is again while trying to keep up the argument only you're having
I genuinely don't know who the frick ACgay is or why you're obsessed with him, and it's funny that you accuse me of being the only one arguing here while I'm getting bombarded by three other posts in the time I can respond to the last barrage.
If you don't know who ACgay is you're a massive newbie who needs to lurk moar
Been here for 17 years now, don't know or give a frick about this guy you insist on bringing into the conversation. Assuming AC stands for Assassin's Creed, I have never paid a single bit of attention to that dogshit series.
>it literally is true lmao
It's not. Dude, I played FFXI as an Elvaan RDM/THF for the first year. I still got exp groups. You weren't there so you have to make up this bullshit about it, but even with your lies you still have not refuted the fact that FFXI had proper RPG systems. All you can do is say that people were mean minmaxxers so it doesn't count for some reason.
FFXI is heavily gear centric and you can totally change your playstyle just through gear loadout. You can also attach a subjob to your main so you gain the stats and skills of the subjob up to half your current level. Then at level 75 you get access to merit points so you start dumping points into unlocking extra skills or boosting your stats.
you played a game in it's absolute infancy and still fail to realize that things change over time, we are talking about MMO's in 2024 where information is readily available and the general culture of gaming has changed, this literally does not work anymore. literally just compare vanilla wow and wow classic or ff11 then and ff11 now and things have fricking changed.
The existence of minmaxers is not an argument against implementing RPG mechanics. RPGs are inherently about making choices. Some of those choices may be more optimal than others, but that's not the point. You may as well argue for WRPGs like TES or Baldur's Gate to just be narrative hallways because one dialogue choice leads to a magic sword and one doesn't therefore all the guides say do the first choice therefore it's not a real choice.
RPG mechanics don't exist in a vacuum you vacuous waterhead, if number go up you will have minmaxers and if you don't want minmaxers you will have to specifically curtail shit against them no matter what a hairy ogre in a refurbished Aeron chair spews all over an anonymous imageboard about what the game's genre REALLY is
God you are an expert of beating off into your own mouth with longwinded paragraphs that SAY ABSOLUTELY FRICKING NOTHING
So he's right and XIV isn't an RPG.
it is an RPG, no one cares about your autistic idea of an RPG that doesn't actually exist
>it is an RPG
Nope.
>no one cares about your autistic idea of an RPG that doesn't actually exist
They do exist. XIV doesn't qualify as one.
it is, no amount of cope can change reality
It exists in the sense that it's extremely favorable nostalgia glasses for his cited games (EQ, DAoC, FFXI, RO) that are on his head so tight that he thinks you always had the luxury of getting to pick and choose your party members out of the available pool of troglodytes.
It's not an RPG though, you already admitted that it can't have RPG mechanics because of minmaxers.
Have you considered not playing with those people? Of course you haven't, because your idea of an MMO is queueing into a duty finder with strangers and being bound to their whims.
>God you are an expert of beating off into your own mouth with longwinded paragraphs
Read the paragraph you wrote before this line, you embarrassment. Does bloating your post with insults instead of arguments make you feel smart, or are you just trying to obscure the fact that you have no point?
>paragraphs that SAY ABSOLUTELY FRICKING NOTHING
breh you've just been saying "muh minmaxers" post after post
it's not an argument against class customisation
>IT CAN'T HAVE RPG MECHANICS BECAUSE MINMAXERS!
Okay so it doesn't have rpg mechanics so it's not an rpg?
Nobody cares about your boogeyman mate
It's obvious you're deflecting to this because you have nothing else
No he's getting compared to ACgay as a fellow thick-headed autist that thinks his opinions are law, is willing to argue for years at a time with entire threads of people at a time, and gets angry and starts arguing harder if even he can't convince himself he's the majority opinion
it's not even in WOW for the most part cause people just use the same icyveins builds and especially fricking so in classic holy shit do people want you killed for daring to anything off meta, and runescape more or less has the same progression between skills you just can choose how you want to do it and what order.
>character building within the past 20 years invariably means "WoW, and choosing which skills to grind in runescape"
Play more mmorpgs
Dungeons & Dragons: Online was out there running tabletop feats & skills in an MMO and making it work wonderfully
>Barb can level jump for cheap
>pump that shit to ridiculous levels
>vault right over instadeath traps that would otherwise require disarming, resistances
Pure kino
Multiplayer Baldur's Gate isn't a hard concept, it's just also boring for most
>ou mean "pick what the meta guide says and use only that"
Speak for yourself
t. chronic memebuilder
imagine getting a influx of 50% of your competitor player base and not manage to retain anyone for some reason, how did this happen?
homogenized classes, been happening since after Heavensward, raiders got mad that no one would pick their class because of parsetrannies so they made everyclass the same. Got rid of a lot of class toolkits to appease console players because they can only assign so many abilities
>raiders got mad that no one would pick their class because of parsetrannies
What's hilarious is that Endwalker is the most homogenized jobs have been, and this shit still fricking happened, with Yoshi making an apology and everything.
>play MCH
>people still ask me to play DNC to help out more
give MCH party buffs at this point, it is not fair
the worst part is, they fricking DID have party buffs, but got rid of them, which no one wanted
Bishop turret got sent to the PVP shadow realm
For me? It's Dark Souls/Elden Ring combat
>R1
>O O O O O O
>R1
>O O O
>R1 R1 R1
I dont know why but I read this as vocalizing the circles as someone monkey hooting, so it hit me as someone pressing R1 then OOK OOK OOK
I stopped playing because SCH felt totally generic compared to what it used to be.
>why did a bunch of people who readily jumped ship from an MMO readily jump ship from an MMO?
Kirleposting amidst the doomies
I'm glad Krile is finally getting more a role.
>lala tummy
ToT
>be 3rd party dev
>still make your super expensive video game exclusive to a single platform
Why? Why not maximize your sales by releasing your video game on pretty much every platform that you can?
>Why? Why not maximize your sales by releasing your video game on pretty much every platform that you can?
Backroom deals. Sony outright pays jap devs to not release on other platforms, this came out in the microshart FTC thing
Probably could have gotten more money if they took a Gamepass/Epic deal, while releasing it on PS5. lol
How did it come to this bros? Expac isn't even out and people are unsubbing in droves.
Expansions got canceled. was news about the other day.
For me FFXIV is too inconsistent in quality despite its extremely slow patch cadence and inability to change from expansion to expansion other than homogenizing more classes. The game is bizarre in that it focuses entirely on story content but it's an MMO...why would I want to sub for a middling story that peaked an expansion ago? I could just read a visual novel or play a single player game that has better pacing.
They'd have to move to a new engine somehow, add antialiasing to make the game not look like raw butthole, and double the amount of end game content they shart out to get me or friends back. Honestly if Riot MMO isn't good I don't see any future for MMOs at this point
FFXIV isn't an MMO
Why the frick does it even have a sub fee ontop of the buy to play and MTX shop then
Well it was intended to be an MMO at one point but the more MMO elements they cut out the more people subscribed so now people subscribe for a visual novel with optional multiplayer hallways.
Because morons will and do pay for it
>Expac isn't even out
>people are unsubbing in droves.
i know this is a shitpost thread, but i love "contrast" of these two sentiments
The Hype is supposed to be drawing people in, preparing for the new expac and finishing up old expac goals. But that isn't happening this time..
we're 5 months off. Come check back in June, which is when people actually resub. Every time
That's not how this shit works at all. People don't start subbing "for the expansion" until like 1-2 months before release.
Its surprising that bunch of people are still playing even after the last months of no real content
They need another Realm Reborn, remake the story from FFXI and not frick up the classes this time
>For a while it seemed like it was going to be the next big thing.
It was never going to be the new big thing cuz MMO is a dead genre
because the game is and always has been based around console users. maybe consoles are big in Japan but it's not how american PC users want to play an MMO. Latency/Network issues. Severe lack of content. Woke/Toxic playerbase. "Graphic Update" that is laughable because "think of the ps4 users!"
Can't even make a "comfortable" farming simulator.
>Demolished my mansion today
I'm free.
See you in a year
tbhqhfamalam I'm really amazed people praise how friendly and respectful the game yet you'll commonly see posts of "I'd unsub until the next patch/expansion whatever but I don't want to lose my house"
how do people reconcile this
Because only a very small percentage of the playerbase owns a house so they don't have anything tying them down
I've lost track, how many years straight has it been of "FFXIV died"
Meanwhile as a hardcore WoW ape back before MoP I'm watching Blizzard literally get its throat slit by Microsoft and bleed out in a ditch, LOTRO is irrelevant to most MMO players, OSRS's players shart in rage when they see a rainbow, New World died in a creek before it could even get started, Riot's MMO is probably dead after development hell and PSO2 also slit its own throat with NGS
>Meanwhile as a hardcore WoW ape back before MoP I'm watching Blizzard literally get its throat slit by Microsoft and bleed out in a ditch
I wouldnt call it dead, lots of people would love if their favourite game was this dead
With their staffing now I sincerely doubt they can even achieve this roadmap even with Microsoft contractors
Yeah well we can only wait and see, its going to be funny to watch for sure
The real battle is in the summer. Microsoft-Activisionblizzard is going to compete with FFXIV.
Chris metzen
If Metzen can be permitted to work his magic and Microshaft-Blizzard doesn't get in his way, they might have a chance. If 11.0 is as much of a dumpster fire as 9.0 was, and if they keep bleeding players like all of 10.0 has been doing, WoW honestly might wind up experiencing its final days. Cata Classic will only show people how shit WoW became, and the communities for Retail, SoD, and Classic are all still just as unrelentingly horrible as they've ever been.
Dawntrail is already set to cause another population boom, but the promise of a new adventure and the optimistic and happy tone for a Summer release of an MMO expansion has nothing but good vibes written over it.
>If Metzen can be permitted to work his magic and Microshaft-Blizzard doesn't get in his way
I don't see how putting every female character and npc in a burka because his daughter thinks showing skin is icky will save WoW
i'd be surprised if metzen still has a job within the next week or two
remember, 1900 layoffs, more unannounced, and WoW staff has a large chunk out of it as a result; and they already had staff problems
What's the plan for Cataclysm classic, is it killing WotLK or branching off?
how did mario rpg sell
We'll know in a few days when the next Nintendo financials release
It's a mystery. We all know there's no market for turn based RPGs so we just have to take it as a fluke.
>A Realm Reborn is way too long
>Not alt-friendly
I just was bored the whole time I tried to play this. I don't like having just one character have all the jobs.
gcd was a mistake
please think of the network servers
*slidecasts*
>anon is posting 1.0 stuff because he doesn't acknowledge ARR+ as having failed
>"LOOK LLOK I KNEW IT IT'S BARRY HE'S COPING AND LYING BECAUSE HE HATES THE GAME!!!!"
xivcultists, never change
I'm a Pablo cultist thoughever.
My thoughts exactly. The frick is wrong with the morons in this thread?
1.0 had geniune issues that were game breaking in some cases if you didn't do specific things. They fixed a lot of it but way too fricking late so 2.0 came out. I'd expect homosexuals here to actually know this game's history but I forgot most people just just install 999 mods then afk on benches all day just like they did in this game day 1 at endgame.
Did 1.0 have a bug that wiped hard drives or am I thinking of a different game?
You may be thinking of pso2 which had a but that would start uninstalling shit if you used sega's official launcher at some point on the japanese version.
This incident actually was handled decently as sega either gave the affected parties a shit ton of money in game or free data recovery services.
It did in fact delete the final fantasy 14 folder as well a lot.
PSO2 and EVE both had this issue like a decade ago.
I know pic related had that problem
Uninstall the game and it takes your drive with it
>yet another "REEEEEEEEEE XIV FAILED!!!!!!!!" thread
>people with pattern recognition point out barry doing this moronic 1.0 arc copefest
>instantly a bunch of posts seething about people calling out barry show up
>people with pattern recognition point out barry doing this moronic 1.0 arc copefest
Instead of touting your so-called pattern recognition you might want to read what anon actually posted, because he says the thread must be about 1.0 because ARR has not failed, thus he is posting 1.0 shit. He's literally saying the opposite of what you think he is because you actually can't even recognize the English language, let alone more complex patterns.
your new damage control is pathetic barry, but keep throwing your tantrum at everyone that says your name that always does a good job showing how you aren't yourself
I don't think you even know who Barry is if you think he's capable of writing coherent posts. Next time read the posts you're seething about, dumbfrick.
Who is this barry homosexual this homie is crying about?
oh please
Bazztek, a guy obsessed with FFXV. WoWrat converts think it's a generic term for FFXIV shitposters though so any imagined enemy becomes Barry.
>Who is this barry homosexual
____lurk moar_____
Make it worth lurking in the first place and we'll talk.
"Spoonfeed me" means that no we will not talk
>check the OF
have a nice day
>thread filled with legitimate reasons why XIV can't retain players
>XIVtroons jump in and samegay a nonsensical argument to try derail the thread
Way too obvious
UMMMMMM
Can we have a pabby modbeast thread next time?
>legitimate reasons
still waiting to see one get posted, these threads have been getting made for years
Explain to me how FFXIV didn't managed to retain all the player it got in shadowbringers
>wowrats jump over from their sinking ship
>excess rats fall off after a few weeks
WoWgays all jumped on when Assmongoloid told them to
after he stopped playing, they all started running off back to WoW again, if anything, XIV is healing
A lot of it is spillover from /xivg/ they're a cult-like playerbase that can't handle criticism of their game.
The only accurate posts in this thread are these
The rest of the thread is just schizobabble from people (singular) who have never played the game, baitposts, and morons falling for bait like myself.
>lele parsetrannies are the reason why jobs got gutted
except Yoshi-p explicitly stated that they made changes to appeal to "midcore" players. Also before shb if you ran non-meta jobs in any content with a dps check you were straight up grieving your own group. WHM ripped aggro like crazy and it's damage contribution was like half of other two healers. DRG was mandatory for piercing down, NIN helped tremendously with aggro management. BRD/MCH were top dps and brought utility(TP, mana, palisade). PLD had cover which secured it's place as the only OT. WAR had better enmity and recovery tools than DRK but you could swap them because their dps was comparable. DPS gaps between party comps were massive and "individual skill" rarely played a role.
all that can be summed up to parse trannies seething at EX-Garuda
What the frick are you talking about? extreme garuda is one of the easiest trial
it wasnt for weeks, and the blame game went on forever at certain classes, they were the proto-parsetrannies in 2.0
I know, I was there
Not true at all. The only jobs that were so bad that it actually was griefing to play them was 2.0 WAR and HW PLD.
Simon says simulator with a disgusting playerbase, both hardcore elitists who ruin fights for themselves in order to prove that they're good at a fricking SIMON SAYS game and the rampant, mentally ill women and trannies that plague the game.
The only thing good about this game was the overarching story that peaked in Shadowbringers. Until they ramp up the story again, people won't give a shit. Skypirate homosexualy shit and Zero is boring as frick.
>Stagnant endgame
>Story already ended at 6.0
>Wuk Lamat's EN voice actor is a troony
>check the OF for a laugh
>they are complaining about it
oh snap
I can get a shitload of replies with a single image, wanna see?
Still no burmecians.
no one plays furrybait races, Hroths will always be on the absolute lowest end of player numbers
Hroths are ugly. An actually sexy furry race would be much more popular.
Not your game, shoo beast tribe Black person
no one would play those either
they added viera and they sanded them down hard to make them more appealing to normalgays
>"Hroths are ugly"
>posts the most vomit inducing abomination imaginable
What did xer mean by this?
L I M I T E D
H A N D S A N D F E E T A N D H E A D
also what the other guy said, the existing furbait race isn't popular, i too want freya crescent sexo but it ain't happening
Did all furgays skip ARR?
I want playable sexy rattos and also lupins
So what is this thread actually about?
All I've seen was some schizo denying reality and crying about his lost erp buddy and some other random rants
Every server's total active population since 2017
(active = non-trials maintaining a sub in a trackable way via leveling or publically trackable collections)
whoa.. holy shit... it's lie... the same amount of growth and decline for the past 3 expansions...
umm why are the numbers going down?
I was told by the ffxiv cultists this game was growing rapidly?
>umm why are the numbers going down?
no content for a minimum of 4-5 months
I regularly sub and even I know there's frick all to do rn, might as well just wait
Yeah, but I' was told this game is growing RAPIDLY RIGHT NOW so you all just lie now? Pathetic, really.
>but I' was told this game is growing RAPIDLY RIGHT NOW
can't believe everything you see on the internet
More like FFXIV cultists are chronic liars
If someone told you it's growing rapidly right now they're mistaken or lying. There's a bit of a sprout wave due the extended trial but it's mostly quiet since the raids are all over and there are no patches until summer.
But really it's not useful to compare month by month or even patch by patch. The playercount spikes on expac release, then has smaller spikes on each major patch, especially raid patches, then tapers off until the next expansion. It's the same patch cycle and the same effect every time. Calling FFXIV dead because it has fewer players now than 1-2 years ago is like predicting that we're entering an ice age because the sun set this evening - it will be back up in the morning.
>OCE
yoshida really said "get those fricking aussies off my server" and immediately opened an entire new datacenter just to cleanse his glorious Elemental from the prison colony drunks that they can't transfer or even visit out of
a prison colony for the prison colony
The same site gave XIV award for the best MMO of 2023 few weeks ago kek.
Sucks to suck Barry kun
There's a lot to do and a lot of nothing to do.
If you're a new or returning player, you have all the "catching up" to do through the previous expansions and post-EW content to help keep you a bit busy until Dawntrail. However, if you've been keeping up with the content, there isn't much to do right now and the rewards from the moogle tome event suck this time around.
>Square Enix is not opening the pre-orders for Dawntrail until March 31th because is when the fiscal years ends, like that they will end the fiscal year with good numbers and starting the next one with good ones too
have they even shown the preorder bonuses this time?
what a dumb question. the same reason any of us would have a boner
XIV has the most challenging MMO content
PotD was the death-knell for the game
Shit I'd be fine with just FATE grinding again
It's a joke nowadays with all the buffed potencies. If you didn't clear in SB then it's a meaningless clear.
surely you have a stormblood dated clear?
a clear at all even?
Nope, I tried quite a bit on RDM since that was the only job that was clearing back then, I couldn't ever get past the 180 set. I gave up and then went and did it in EW since I had nothing else to do and did it on my second try. It's just a time sink more than an actual challenge now.
>new IP
>posts the achievement of someone else
phoneposter sisters...
post your non SGE, MCH, WAR clear
it was the big thing for a few years. people got bored.
FF14 is built on tech that was out of date when it released. The gameplay was also 10 years outdated on release as well. I have no idea why anyone plays this crap to this day
Venat's big butt
jamjam did it again
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/115602872
>create BLU to reenergize older content
>not allowed into any of the deep dungeons, Eureka or Bozja
its funny, Eureka ands Bozja would be one massive playground for BLUs to play with their toys, yet they simply aren't allowed to, and they are making another one of these, why?
Bragging rights of the Necromancer title and relic weapons/still fairly substantial gil rewards in Eureka/Bozja is my guess, for the most part BLU has nothing to do in there that isn't treating it as a playground and trivializing the rarer things to get and do. Like I don't like not being able to go in there as BLU as a player, but as a developer I can take a guess as to their thought process
Diff Anon but I always tell people that they could just separate achievements from BLU and normal jobs for PotD or whatever stuff in Eureka/Bozja
It's ridiculous how BLU can't do that content or even ultimates
>Bragging rights of the Necromancer title
BLU can have its own leaderboards and titles then, very easy solution
relic weapons/still fairly substantial gil rewards in Eureka/Bozja
its outdated content, letting BLU's run loose would only benefit everyone, they don't let you one shot most fate bosses after you reach the Stormblood areas anyway, so having BLUs around would just speed shit up
>Bragging rights of the Necromancer title
dude no one cares about this title, literally majority of the game don't even care about DD content lmao. All they care about is mods, virtual clubbing, and ERP.
>dude no one cares about this title
me when i lie
you do know that people having relics, necromancer title, and the ultimate weapons triggers losers enough that they make mods to hide those things, right?
Considering you get Savage clear cheevos for doing it unsynced years after the fact I don't know if they *can* rig it so you don't get the title for doing it with BLU
dude, you can't even run trusts with blue. it's so sad.
I don't know which idiot thought it would be a good idea making another Limited Job right after the latest update for Blue Mage was the most disappointed shit for them and they haven't proved in half a decade that the concept of a Job that can't do shit is worth it.
A waste of resources and good job concepts from the franchise to make shit no one plays with the vast majority of the time.
>Sharty thread allowed to stay up
lol
lmao even
I will play when they fix the dogshit netcode this game has
It's Ma-ACK!
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/664908103/#664909253
Change your hash paltroony.
>wow dies (of its own accord)
>suddenly MILLIONS of wowfugees start playing FF14
>shadowbringers, arguably the best expansion, hooks those players HARD
>a golden opportunity! if they can keep these players engaged, they will continue to play for years to come
>all they have to do is create content for Endwalker
>...
>Endwalker receives no content updates
>they cannibalized most of the FF14 dev team to make FF16
>there's no relic grind
>every wowfugee quits out of boredom
>FF16 is on a completely different console, so FF14 players can't buy it even if they wanted to
>FF14 subs fall below pre-wowfugee levels
>FF16 makes negative profit, losing the company 75 million dollars
If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both
>writing a wall of random text just to cope because world of trooncraft died
grim
And that's a good thing!
Pre-wowfugee levels was stormblood's 600k maximum, and even that was still double of what stormblood started with unironically.
We're basically at post-wowfugee during shadowbringers' horrid content drought, but pre-endwalker where everybody was back at once.
10 years ago I would have suggested trying Atlantica Online but I think that's dead. Legit 8 homies in a row (3x3 grid) MMO
Should've made the MMO turnbased like Toontown online but more complex
An ATB FF MMO sounds cool as frick.
it had no real traction in the west beyond trannies who like to play dressup in game and people didn't really enjoy it they just played it to spite blizzard with asmongoloid and every other yt channel who saw the cash cow bandwagon
AYO ZIVVIES WE BE AIRPLANE MODING AND SAMEgayGING FO REAL LET'S GO
DROP THE BASS
1. xiv keeps making the game simpler and simpler. if something doesn't work, they remove it entirely. there's no effort to make things good, just to get rid of things deemed "bad." look at AST; they've completely gutted it since its original incarnation.
2. content drought. what the frick are they even doing?
3. the main storyline of the game basically concluded with 6.0. it's a good stopping point if you want to get out.
4. wow started getting good again. specifically, classic happened and started actually doing good. season of discovery shows they're willing to experiment with vanilla, wotlk classic did really well and mists classic is something a decent number of people will probably look forward to. even retail isn't quite as bad as it was the past two expansions, although it still has many problems.
5. mmos work because they appeal to all four of bartle's player types. however, 2023 was a bit of a boom year for gaming in general and a lot of other games have come out that do a better job in any one of these specific categories.
>content drought
every mmo has this, 14 is one of the better games for in regards to droughts though
>wow started getting good again
LOL
if you think the 6.0 content drought is even remotely tolerable, they could probably get away with anything and you would still defend it
Black person try playing WoW where you have content droughts that are a year or more
>if you think the 6.0 content drought is even remotely tolerable,
If you think it *isn't* then this is your first MMO and you're expecting a Fortnite level of content drip where you shouldn't be
Like I genuinely get it, FFXIV is pretty much the only relevant MMO of the past 6-7 years, it's going to be a lot of peoples' first MMO experience and their first content drought experience. But this game has a breakneck and regular patch pace for MMOs
>14 is one of the better games for in regards to droughts though
not it's fricking not, what the frick?
I'm sorry 14 doing something well triggers you this much, but as far as MMOs and putting out content at a consistent pace goes, 14 is one of the better games
If nothing else, this thread shows XIV trannies genuinely can't comprehend rpg mechanics in their MMOs
WoW brainrot extends to its clones as well.
No shit a MMO that is going through a massive content drought is losing revenue. FF16 + covid hurt FF14 post MSQ content patches a lot and there is there is literally nothing to do in the game but ERPing.
>blaming covid
>when every other company has already recovered
he got you hooked boy
Covid affected the everybody and most games got hit by release date delays, if you think ff16 and ff14 dawntrail didnt get affected by it you're moronic or a dishonest troll.
Endwalker wasn't even out yet when companies were recovering. Nice ad hominem attack, weenie boy. Like slurping up Yoshi's semen?
it is what he uses to frick all the mazed XIV players
>He thinks expansions and content patches arent planned and start development years before its release
Even in WoW, they start developing 2~3 expansions ahead of the current one.
Proof? they start developing 2~3 expansions ahead or you lying like usual.
they actually do that, look WoD and Legion for exemple, wod was a literal no content expansion because they focused all the efforts in the next expansion (legion)
again, proof or source, or you lying like usual?
Watch the blizzcon QA VOD and you're gonna have your proof. I wont go out of my way to find a VOD for a troll.
>No source
concession accepted, stop lying now.
they announced three expansions, please try not to notice that these $100 expansions will have as much content as a destiny 2 patch
Blizz said during the blizzcon that they have already started developing the next 3 wow expansions already. Anyone who knows how MMORPG's development work knows they they always plan 1~2 expansions ahead of the current one.
They might have some concept art and a plot outline 2 expansions ahead, but there's no way they're programming zones and fights and stuff more than 1-2 patches ahead, let alone expansions.
After the current expansion goes "gold", most of the main crew start developing the next expansion and leave the content patches to a smaller team.
why is his nose a giant penis
It's crazy, he released the halloween event during february because of covid.
this is a bait thread, who are you even talking to lil bro, everybody knows XIV is the king you don't have to explain anything lmao
Bros I'm currently building a submarine for my FC.
Feels good to make progress toward something that will continue to bring value to me.
O-oh, this is a doomsissy thread, my bad.
Uh, GAME BAD. NOTHING TO DO. Uhh... shit, I haven't rehearsed this, sorry discord sisters!
I grinded out about 150k points worth of Ishgard restoration shit today myself. Inching closer to completing this shit once and for all.
One day I'll commit to Ishgard Restoration, but today is not that day. Maybe once I have these better submarines up and running and have better cashflow.
I'm been casually poking at it during content lulls before but I figure with them announcing the Cosmic Exploration shit there's a chance that they're about to drop another grind of this level on us again so I need to get the current one done now before that happens.
>submarine
woah.. content that has been around for like... 10 years now
Yes? It's content that I have not gotten around to yet. Content that, after all these years, I still have access to and can choose to do, and is still relevant.
>subscription MMO that got lucky due to WoW streamers endorsing it
>produce mostly woke games
>shitty medieval FF
>vomit inducing remake of a classic RPG
>no DQ in the pipeline
>sold Eidos
A random Gankerigger would manage Square better.
Wasn't it playstation exclusive or are you talking about MMOs? Nobody plays that garbage anymore.
DOOMSISSY DISCORD
TRANCE!
>FFXIV is doing so well that 2000 employees didn't get fired like in le rival game studio
>the "its not an RPG" Black person is still at it after years of trying
a shame the Riot MMO is probably canceled. I'd love to play a Yordle
I swear you always have the best takes
I was thinking about that the other week, I'd try it and play one too
I would have loved to have sex with your Yordle but sadly they were laid off
hmmm, hello?? sisters?? you already did your island sanctuary today??
>For a while
Stopped as soon as the streamer grift ended
>furgays finally get their female option
>voiced by literal XIVtrannies
OOOOOOF
by literal XIVtrannies
I must have missed the threads, it's too perfect
anybody who cared immediately got distracted by palworld threads and then when palworld tapered off and they came back they said they were here the whole time and anybody who noticed they were gone for a week-ish was a seething troony posting their headcanons
You can still see them get butthurt whenever he's brought up, like this fellow right here
Samegay
Your samegay detector's off bro
Yeah he's mad. Anyway the point is you haven't missed all the fun yet.
Umm...check out this nun I found
S E X
the nun is also alright I guess
>pre expansion content lull
>typically the lowest player count of any point in an expansion cycle
>newbies don't understand this cyclical pattern and start screeching about the game dying
Every single fricking time
TORtanic and its effects on this board cannot be understated. Every game must fail, everything is a flop, and any active game must be dying.
>360 replies
>90 posters
Barry meltdown thread never disappoints
moron
it's the same group of doomposters that keep posting every thread
most of Ganker's old XIV posters moved on to other forums or discussion areas because they keep spamming threads with the same posts
we should be able to be perma shrunk, what if I want to remain 6 inches tall.
If the game was a real RPG it would have Mini as a usable spell.
a tiny glamour spell to use in the field and towns on yourself or party members because everything is immune to it?
This is a hypothetical situation in which XIV is an actual RPG so normal enemies wouldn't be immune to status effects.
>if enemies are immune to a status effect then the game isn't an RPG
boy it really is looking like call of duty is the only true RPG to ever exist
Actual RPGs usually have status magic, yes, it's one of the many choices you're allowed to make in how you approach an encounter. Call of Duty is as much an RPG as XIV though.
I know you don't play games, homosexual, the blue mage spell Bad Breath effects every enemy you can fight as a blue mage
And I know YOU don't play games, homosexual, because BLU is a minigame sealed off from the vast majority of the game. And even then, you're wrong. Enemies do resist specific statuses from Bad Breath, only the poison and the damage down debuff are always applied.
>i-i-i-i-i-it doesn't count those debuffs and status effects that apply to enemies dont count!!!!!!!!!
cope
always was an RPG, always will be
It doesn't count because BLU is explicitly sectioned off from the rest of the game.
Everything in ffxiv is a minigame sealed off from the rest of the game, and that's fine. It's a themepark MMO done right. If all you play is savage and ultimate then status magic might as well not exist. But if you spend your time playing BLU, DD & Eureka then status magic is a very real part of the game.
>The job that's gated off from everyone else has a spell that only partially works that other real jobs also have (A DoT and the debuff)
Just shut up you aren't going to outwit a tape recorder that's on endless playback loop. Quit adding fuel
Heh, another dead game thread on it's way to bumb limit.
>onboarding and MSQ is so slow and tedious that 90% of advertisements for the game are "YOU CAN SKIP A THOUSAND HOURS OF BULLSHIT FOR ONE LOW, LOW PRICE!"
>as a result non-players have no concept of the story or what the game is even about because the MSQ is so dragged out, despite many players swearing the plot is great nobody who isn't already invested in the game has any idea what its about
>Never getting a proper graphical update to not look like cheap Korean garbage
>Fujo/troony artstyle and character design
>Class identity entirely boils down to combat rotations, player race may as well not even exist
These are the major reasons I haven't played it despite liking Final Fantasy, being adjacently aware of FFXIV, and considering picking up an MMO for a long time.
>crying you can't get locked out of doing the game's content because you didn't pick the minmax race for whatever job you pick
Keep defending Squeenix while they keep missing their own sales goals, I don't give a frick.
because they tried to fix perfect
Sicne we've established XIV isn't an rpg, rec some MMOs with rpg mechanics
SWTOR is basically a multiplayer bioware rpg
not an rpg
Why do XIV players seethe over real mmorpgs so much?
Why do people who don't play XIV join threads about the game to cry about it?
Quick scan of the thread complaints shows most people here actually have played XIV at some point
Which is why we know it's not an rpg
Ok, and what exactly are you hoping to accomplish by getting mad at the terminology being used to refer to a video game you do not play? Is there some greater purpose here, some ultimate get you are trying to achieve? This is like joining a Dark Souls thread and starting an argument about it being called a JRPG, no one cares.
Instead of sitting here furiously typing out posts trying to incite anger and arguments how about you just sit down and play a game you do like? Minimize your browser and play a video game, have fun, you know, do what we are doing and enjoy yourself playing a game.
I do play XIV and I do like it. It's just not an RPG. Words have meanings.
Ok..... and?
And what?
Is that it?
Is what it?
And nothing, that's just how it is.
Only morons argue about Dark Souls being a JRPG or WRPG
The term is ARPG
because they're coping
because the game has been on a downward spiral since 2.0 and it's entertaining to watch newshitters cope with the absolute state of the "game" because they are too attached to their bawdglam characters
>on a downward spiral since 2.0
Kek at least you didn't go full contrarian and claim 1,0 was the peak
uh, you misunderstood, I was implying that 1.0 WAS peak
Ah, then you are a complete moron then, I gave you too much credit
I'm sorry you missed out. Only non-1.0 players claim it was a bad bit.
"Ohhh I played it for 1 day, it was garbage!!!" - t. normies
It was such a good game that it completely tanked the company and forced them to emergency relaunch the game.
Yeah, it was too graphically intense for the average person's computer, let alone consoles. Seamless zones, what a dream.
I had a shitty prebuilt Dell and it ran fine so I'm always curious what the frick these people were trying to play on.
I had a friend who turned the settings down and played the game for a while with it being a weird blob. One day I told him that was awful and he turned his settings up and the game ran better. The engine was something.
>graphically intense
Yeah, intensely redundant and pointless.
Fricking generic barrels had as many polys as player characters.
Put a dozen of those on screen any time anyone is in town along with dozens of actual players and reduce pc specs by 11 years and you've got a shitshow on your hands.
I had a fairly new gaming rig at the time and it pushed my 5800 which was roughly a year old to it's limits, fans at maximum and it sounded like a fricking tornado sitting next to me. I could run it decently but when it comes to a MMO you don't want it to bring your PC to it's knees.
People that want MMOs to be graphical powerhouses are fricking insane, it kills any goodwill and longevity for near all games that try it
XIV is only good for its WoW style raiding so you are incorrect.
Different anon but 1.0 does actually sound like XIV's peak and I kicked myself for missing it
1.0 was fricking awful
>inane system requirements and didn't run well even on high-end rigs at the time
>quite frankly the game looks like shit by today's standards, its only graphical plusses compared to 2.0 and beyond are separate belt models, better lighting, and higher texture resolution
>world maps were simultaneously empty and cramped because they were designed as mazes first and foremost, littered with knee-high obstacles in a game without a jump button, and it was designed around a territory-control mechanic that was never worked on
>classes were made to ape FF12 in having "like traditional jobs, but not" skillsets (think the uhlan or time battlemage) culminating in artifact armors, designed as referential sets geared towards skill distributions i.e. the modern drachen armor being designed as a dark knight-like set for maruaders, but incorporated fully as FFXI AF armors when yoshida introduced the job system
>didn't get titan or leviathan for cultural sensitivity reasons because japan went through a huge tidal wave and earthquake at the time, there's a CG cutscene unused in 1.X's files before the reboot for titan
>combat design proves that FFXI's staff brought over to make XIV were just incompetent without sakaguchi's influence, especially the MMO bible he wrote by no-lifing everquest
>even back then the game had severe problems with making anybody give a shit at all about ala mhigo and it capped off with your adventurer buddy made alongside your PC at character creation being revealed to be an ala mhigan, and heavily implying your PC is as well
Don't forget such fantastic design decisions as gear FRICKING EXPLODING if you failed a meld
dante must die mode: it must have been made within the past 5-10 years
there are none. obsession with balance and streamlining classes are the norm now. there's a reason nobody calls them MMORPGs anymore
DDO
I used to watch my dad play this in like 2008
His most notable builds were a holy monk and a dark monk, interesting stuff
BDO
ESO
WoW
Mabinogi
he said with RPG mechanics you dumbfrick
OSRS is the only MMO that is growing while all the other MMOs become ghost towns. Kneel to the Runechads.
>runescape
>growing
Who's gonna tell him?
Yes. Go join a f2p world in lumbridge you'll see noobs everywhere. Chat em up and make their day by gifting them some iron armor and 3k.
>Runechads
more like homoscapers
enough of your template response marketing shill
Come on man Troonscape was sitting right there and you whiffed it
>the only goals for your own character is getting a good looking glamour or maybe a title and that's it
it's completly irrelevant getting new gear, I don't feel strong getting new gear
Then play a different game, ffxiv has never been that way for over 13 years.
Just play monster hunter, ffxiv is more like a pve version of a hero shooter.
>ffxiv is a first person shooter because there are quests where you shoot darts
>ffxiv is a dungeon crawler because there was an anniversary minigame with dungeon crawling
>ffxiv is a business management sim because of island sanctuary
Whoa...
a good thought experiment is the question "what is the deal with them trying to exclude FFXIV from the genre? what do they actually gain if everyone agrees that it doesn't belong?"
Alright gays, I'll settle this. All of your RPGs are inferior to the GOAT.
I want to make fun of you anon because SEGA is a fricking joke and have been actively ruining themselves from the inside for the last couple decades but I miss it too.
ah yes
Time to farm some MAGs b***hes
How will they ruin DRG in Dawntrail?
any expectations?
monk 6.0 and reaper are good
i expect jumps to have a heavier focus and for nidhogg skills to die in favor of more generic dragon skills and maybe a hraesvelgr skill since you had his eye once
Quick question
How were the Warring Triad kept alive in Azys La? Did the Allagans keep their followers trapped in stasis and tortured to keep the WT alive?
God I miss Heavensward
Yes, they had mini Dalamud prototypes they stuck them inside with worshipers being held and tortured like the dragons were for Bahamut.
Did we ever encounter those races?
What happes if some Meracydians decide to summon one of the Warring Triad? Do their prayers power the imprisoned or do they create another version?
all three races are extinct outside of the warring triads' samples kept alive and in agony for primal sustainment
Neat. I wasn't paying attention during Coils back when I started out as a starry eyed sprout. What happen to Bahamut's brood during Coils? Were they all freed from stasis or were they too intertwined with Allagan life support?
bahamut's brood is either wiped out or left behind because they're hopelessly tempered, probably wiped out because no mention's made of them since
Most of them were mercy killed when the internment hulks shut down. Some of them survived and were used to summon Lunar Bahamut, then went home with Tiamat.
Surprised they were capable of keeping their sanity after all that. I was really looking forward to fighting the Telophoroi and Lunar primals. Endwalker felt disappointing after we killed of Zodiark.
>Did we ever encounter those races?
We never saw Sephirot's worshipers. Sophia's were player races who lived in Meracydia. Zurvan's were centaurs and then the Allagans chimerized them with Amalj'aa, you see them in his fight.
Yes. You literally fight some of Sophia's followers in her trial.
Not enough Ivalice
Say something nice about my wife Ryne.
>lazyprocrastinator
damn i want to plap ryne until she is pregnant while making out with gaia
>you will never play a FF adventure MMORPG with a massive open world and accidentally stumble upon a tiny gnome merchant next to a healing spring who sells you the Mini spell, then you cast the Mini spell and use it to explore a whole hidden tiny gnome perspective of the world and then stumble upon their hidden village deep in a forest, and you gain a Fire Staff after healing one of them
The MMO genre is wasted potential
>it seemed like it was going to be the next big thing
It's over a decade old and has been super popular for several years. What are you talking about?
BECAUSE THEY PULLED EVERY KNOWN NAME AND A TON OF THE DEV TEAM THEY HAD WORKING ON IT OFF THE PROJECT AT THE PEAK OF ITS POPULARITY TO MAKE THE FLOP THAT WAS FFXVI
Literally as the WoW exodus was happening we were downsizing from two dungeons per patch to 1.
Square Enix is so fricking stupid I can't believe they're still alive.
Why can't you fricks just build on things that are working for you instead of constantly trying to reinvent the wheel? Just like they had the turn based RPG genre in the palm of their hands years ago and threw it away, they did the same fricking thing with the most popular MMO in the world.
Absolutely incompetent management.
>game people only care about for the main story
>main story is finished and it's all gaidenshit from here on out
It's a mystery...
belzebub
Every few years ffxiv reaches the end of expansion and enters a lul where players are just waiting for the next expac, and every few years you homosexuals make this same thread.
Peaked at shadowbringers
Enjoy the decline
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