Why did Iris never receive the same level of autism as Nessa? They're basically the same tone
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Why did Iris never receive the same level of autism as Nessa? They're basically the same tone
considering the number of Iris threads today there's already enough autism around her
Becuase the Pokemon fanbase wasn't a complete shithole during Gen 5 like it is now.
Oh I don't know about that
It definitely wasnt
Nobody gave a SINGLE Africk about the little girl gym leader / champion being black.
It's 50/50 a fanbase thing and just the general internet culture being hyper race obsessed due to current events.
believe it or not the internet got more moronic over time
absolutely not true.
Literally this. The late 2010's basically paved the way to rabid leftist homosexuals who care more about "muh representation" and other meaningless shit, than the actual game itself.
spoken like someone that definitely was not around here before the late 2010s
One came before 2016 one came after 2016
It really is that simple.
This one knows it. Not just this, but literally all kind of francihses.
what happened in 2016?
The end of the world which the Mayans, the ones that venerated Mew predicted
something that brought in more racists, so i dont get the point hes making.
dilate
Twitter didn't exist.
In terms of years? Because
>Twitter
2006
>Pokemon B&W
2010
Thing is, Twitter went to shit the moment Tumblr died and it's refugees invaded.
Lol twitter was a left wing cesspool long before the 2018 porn banning
I think it's better to day Twitter wasn't mainstream yet. Twitter and Tumblr becoming mainstream in around 2012 or so both had a negative impact on pretty much everything.
>in around 2012 or so
nah they were mainstream since 09
Not really. Twitter really took off in 2011/2012, which was around when we started to see journalists and news organizations farm it for content. Before that it was trendy college kids and Internet nerds. It had a large user base of about 30 mil but it wasn't quite mainstream the way it is today. Most people would not know what it was then. Tumblr probably was quite a bit more mainstream in 09 I guess but data shows it really took off in 2011/2012 too. Same with Instagram. It was when smartphones started to really become accessible. All three sites crossed the 100 million user marks that year and they continued to see massive gains afterwards.
Also I just wanna say I'm not one of those "Twitter/Tumblr created the left" morons. I think the sites uplifted the worst members of both political parties but they existed before that. As did hugbox fansites.
she is receiving it now
Race politics wasn't as big back then.
Back in the early 2010’s, no one took the brownpill and fell for delicious browns.
At the end of that decade, many things have changed.
Iris is cute, Nessa is ugly, simple as
One looks like a kid while the other is more conventionally attractive and dressed skimpily.
When Iris debuted, people didn't like her because she was black and she was regarded as a pretty low tier Pokegirl. Now that she's gained relevancy and popularity due to the anime, people are trying to say she's actually native American despite looking nothing like Alder and Benga.
Iris wasn't popular out of the gate like Nessa was, Nessa saw the same kind of shitposting because racists think if a black character isn't straight up blackface, they have to be something else, nor can they accept that a black character is popular.
This mainly seems to be an issue in the Pokemon fanbase, I'm a big Splatoongay and in the 5 something years she's been a thing, I've never seen anyone try to say Marina is actually, uh, an extremely dark skinned native American or Indian, or something.
Pretty much this. People sould just focus on the coom but I admit it's wishful thinking to believe people aren't going to argue race politics here.
Maybe I'm a weirdo but I'm American and I never saw Iris as black when Pokemon black/white stuff was revealed etc. I think the thing most people didn't like including myself at the time, is that she's a kid and her personality in the anime is kind of annoying, giving her a bad reputation. I found her reputation undeserved in the game though.
>I never saw Iris as black
How is that possible? She’s got ‘fro hair and natives aren’t that dark plus they tend to have chinky eyes
Plenty of natives don't have chinky eyes? Your racism is bleeding through? Plenty of latinos from latin america who are pure native american not to mention being heavily mixed with native americans? She is as dark as a native too(you must not really know how light-dark natives get)? What fro hair? Her clothing looks more native inspired as well. You are like those black people that are ignorant about other cultures and claim anything brown as your own, whites are dumb and do the same thing lol. When someone in this thread really challenged what you say, you basically back into the PEOPLE HATE AND ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH BLACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no matter the criticism.
I love seeing Latams sperg out hard. Them and SEAs are so insecure it's hilarious.
Literally most of this thread is someone black b***hing and complaining because they're insecure why other people don't instantly see Iris and or Nessa as black.
Black people have to project their insecurities onto other races. Don't feel bad anon.
What does SEA got anything yo do with a thread full of screeching white, black and asians?
Nessa’s trainer card literally deconfirms her as black
How?
Look at it moron
I can't find it, post it.
You don't know how light works, moron? She's not tan. Nothing has presented her as having a tan.
“Light” that’s the exact outline of her glove she’s always seen wearing
The tone of her skin goes up to her elbow in that picture. Because that arm is in the light, just like a piece of her knee on her crossed leg is brighter than the rest of her leg. Just like a piece of her red shoe is white on her extended leg.
That’s the part that I’ll agree is just lighting, as well as the side of her face
It's all just lighting which is why it goes up to her elbow.
Okay here you can see her right hand without the glove, it's black.
Retroactive continuity, people thinking she was black brought good press
>concept art doesnt even have the tanline
based moron
>non-canon tcg art and in-development art vs the canon, finished product... hmmmm
Iris being a Native American makes way more sense than her being black. I once speculated that she was a descendant of the two brothers that split the Original Dragon, and their peoples, but I was told that I was wrong and that Drayden says he found her somewhere else. Alder and Benga don't look Native American, they look like white people dressed in Native American-like garbs, that wanted to get more in tune with their spirit/nature.
>When Iris debuted, people didn't like her because she was black
I don't remember Iris being disliked because she was black, and I was around during the B/W leak season/hype season.
This
sounds closer to reality. The anime just made her Unova Misty but way less competent. It's a pretty jarring clash from the way she is in the games, wherein she's super talented, sweet, and very energetic.
>Nessa saw the same kind of shitposting because racists think if a black character isn't straight up blackface, they have to be something else, nor can they accept that a black character is popular.
While this is true, I think Nessa is probably an Indian/Paki character, just because of the region being Britain. I know that black people exist in Britain, I just can't help but think it's a little more likely. But I wouldn't mind if Nessa was black and I was wrong, I'm just saying.
Never played platoon but if Marina is your pic related she definitely seems black.
No Iris is black Alder is Native. Check your fact clearly. I already nakadashi her personally so I know
>Alder and Benga don't look Native American, they look like white people dressed in Native American-like garbs, that wanted to get more in tune with their spirit/nature
This has to be the dumbest take I've ever seen. Why would GF do something so convoluted when the obvious intent is right before us? Why come up with a headcanon so convoluted in the first place? It really and truly is not that deep, this reminds me of that one anon who tried to argue Castelia isn't actually New York because some asian country has a similar looking bridge.
The mental gymnastics people have to do just to say a girl isn't black is sad. It goes beyond that character to others
> implying knowing india exists is mental gymnastics
The irony of the mental gymnastics you had to perform to reach that conclusion is hilarious
What does an indian anime girl look like to you then?
???????????
They literally don't look Native American, it has nothing to do with Iris being black or not.
>Iris is black
Okay, sure Iris is black. There. Alder and Benga = Native is a CRAZY take.
I'll take Alder being a native due to his outfit and general demeanor over him being white any day. I'd even find it more believable that he's Hispanic than "white people larping about being native" as you put it, do you even realize how fricking stupid that sounds? Maybe its because I'm an artgay but I can't imagine picking up my tablet pen, sitting down and intentionally designing a character to roleplay as another race. It feels way more likely that GF just didn't want to design a walking talking stereotype than it does for them to try to create your awful headcanon.
I didn't mean he was literally a white guy larping as a native, it was just a roundabout way of saying he looks more like a white guy than a Native American.
Some native americans look more black than they look brown
Pokemon fans are historically illiterate and this entire discourse is pointless and should just be looked at from the sides
It's the same type of people who think Mexican means exclusively brown, and specifically dark dark brown
That just feels like the same stance white people take when they look at anime characters.
>uhh, they don't have slit eyes and buck teeth like my Dr. Seuss propaganda, so they're white
>Alder doesn't look like he was ripped straight from Pocahontas so he's white
Yeah, but you have to admit, Alder looks nothing like a Native American. And he's got Poke Balls for prayer beads. He could be Japanese for all we know.
>he looks more like a white guy than a Native American.
You could say that about a lot of native americans today
Also, white people do that shit all the time. Ever heard of Sifu Norris
But why would that be in a Pokemon game? They wouldn't do something like that.
Eh, it's not such a super outlandish thing. If they wanted him to be Native American they could have been explicit about it. As it stands, Alder looks white. Only his clothes look Native, and it's not necessarily racist to assume that he didn't always dress that way, but rather, his lifestyle changed after his partner died. His partner's death is a pretty huge part of his backstory.
But what makes it explicit? Why does a character have to be a stereotype to count as that race?
IDK what your talking about but I'd rather not get into a cycle of bait / trap questions over this. There's not really an argument to be had, and I cannot be convinced. If you want to convince other people he's Native you're free to try. But I'll never accept such a thing. Also it's funny how you're asking me why Alder would have to be a stereotype when basically all your stance HAS backing it is stereotypes.
That was my first post about Alder. I'm speaking in general. Why do characters have to look like stereotypes to be considered that race? Alder doesn't look like a white guy. He has tanned skin and wild anime hair. The fact that you defaulted to white says where your brain is. You default characters to white unless explicitly stated otherwise.
>Look like stereotypes
>"His clothes and demeanor make me think this is his race."
That's the stereotype. There's nothing stereotypical about a person's skin color lmao
I never said anything about his demeanor or clothes. Again, that was my first post about Alder. But you're missing the point. Even when a character has stereotypical attire that isn't enough for people like you. He has to be even more of a stereotype. If he doesn't have feathers in his hair, a massive nose and isn't smoking a peace pipe you wouldn't consider him native. I think he's Japanese like 99% of the characters in these games.
Iris doesn't have feathers in her hair or a nose at all, and I thought she was native American last year. Again, nice bait.
Stop using bait, you don't know what it means. Pointing out hypocrisy isn't bait. I'm trying to have a civil debate with you and now you're running to buzzwords. What makes Iris native to you?
It doesn't feel like you're trying to have a civil debate, when you say things like
>Even when a character has stereotypical attire that isn't enough for people like you.
>Stop using bait, you don't know what it means.
Dishonest posts are bait. You're baiting.
Because that's exactly what happened. You guy has on stereotypical clothes and you defaulted him to white and said he looks white. What's white about him?
Nah, that's not what happened. One person (you) said he looked Native American based on his clothes and demeanor. That's pretty much the definition of a stereotype. I said he didn't look Native American because of his skin color. But you're not responding to the other guy (because he's you) calling him out for stereotypes. If you think he's Japanese, why aren't you directing your frustration toward the guy that called him Native American based on his outfit?
In case you weren't following along kids, the answer to the above questions is: because he's baiting.
The "other guy" is (me), I'm not responding because the other anon is arguing better than I am so I'm taking a backseat. Keep it up though!
lol, no he's not.
Okay. You can take issue with what I said all you want. But don't try to say I need Alder to be a stereotype to believe he's Native American, when stereotypes are the only thing keeping this moron's assumption that he's a Native alive. All I would need to believe it is for Alder's skin to be a little darker. Iris doesn't dress like a Native stereotype at all and I still thought that she was one for a while.
>What makes Iris Native American to you
Well nothing does anymore. I posited the idea in a thread last year and a few other anons told me Drayden brought her to Unova from elsewhere. This is something I've said already. It's something you would have picked up on too, if you were really interested in having a "civil debate".
>All I would need to believe it is for Alder's skin to be a little darker.
Bullshit. Native's aren't all dark skinned and if it wasn't one thing it'd be another. You already said you couldn't be convinced he was native. A slightly darker skin tone wouldn't change your mind. You think he's white for some odd reason. Not Japanese, not Chinese. You think he's white.
>All I would need to believe it is for Alder's skin to be a little darker
Then you're just proving what was said in
right.
> Iris doesn't dress like a Native stereotype at all and I still thought that she was one for a while.
That's because Iris would have to be literal blackface for you to consider her black. We know exactly how this mindset works because its been a thing in fandom for decades. If a character isn't a textbook stereotype for dumbass white people to understand, then they're actually just white, that's how it is with you people.
Okay, but I think Iris is black, and she's not in blackface. So what now.
>but I think Iris is black
You do NOW because other people called you out on it, that doesn't change your actual mindset fitting into needing characters to be stereotypes for you to consider them anything besides white.
It's not YOUR fault, it's a side effect of the white dominated culture we live in, but I hope you'll use more critical thinking in the future.
Can I ask why you think all the characters are Japanese? I don't think there's anything wrong with it but I thought regions like Unova, Galar and Alola were explicitly stated to be very far away from Poke-Japan, going so far as for routes to start over at 1, unlike Kanto through Sinnoh that have the routes build up on each other because they're all in the same "country".
>You do NOW because other people called you out on it,
No. Nobody called me out on it. The thread I made presenting my theory was actually pretty civil. It wasn't one where some butthurt autistic kid kept stomping his feet and screaming at me in a pathetic attempt to make me feel like a racist.
Thinking Iris is Native American involves way more critical thinking than thinking she's black. See
>Can I ask why you think all the characters are Japanese?
Because it's still a Japanese game and most of the characters still have Japanese names. The region being based on New York, France or Hawaii doesn't mean all the people are. A character like Burgh has has the name Arly in the Japanese version so it's safe to assume he's supposed to not be Japanese. While characters like Skyla(Huuro), Elesa(Kamitsure) or Brycen(Hachiku) have Asian names. Since most characters in this franchise are featureless(No real noses, lips, any hair color can be natural, any hair style can be natural etc) we have far less to go on. It's not like they don't know how to use English names for characters. Look at Lillie's family. All blonde with western sounding names. It's easy to call them western. Even as far back as Gen 1 Lt. Surge(Matis) has a more western name than Sabrina(Natsume) or Giovanni(Sakaki) and tons of people consider Giovanni and Team Rocket based on Italian Mobsters instead of what they're actually based on, the Yakuza.
People consider Giovanni and Rocket to be based on Italian mobsters because of the name Giovanni specifically. A western person's first impression of a Pokemon character is almost certainly going to be their western name.
Yeah, I know. But there's no excuse for that in 2022. In 98 I can see it. Especially with the dub changing as much Japanese culture as they could even down to the food.
No one cares.
Yeah, see, I can accept that. That's a much better take than 'lol he just looks white'.
Alder has Poke Balls for prayer beads. Not a single take ITT is as moronic as
>Alder is Native American
Even the idea that he's Hispanic is better than that.
>He thinks characters are Asian because they have Asian names.
Hey man, that's a stereotype. My white friend has a son named Akira.
It's not as simple as that because many Poke humans are named after puns.
For example the name of Galar champion, he is called Leon in English and Dande in Japanese and we both know his name derives from the flower Dandelion and they're basically the same.
Anon, Grant is clearly black and his japanese name is "Zakuro".
>That's because Iris would have to be literal blackface for you to consider her black
No, I don’t like Aunt Jemima stereotypes like Lenora, so Iris being black is very appealing to me. Same with Nessa. Their subdued skin tones, smooth complexions, and the shapes of their face, the absence of gaudy red lipstick, or any kind of garish accessory, would make them amazing black designs and I’m all for it. I would hate it if Lenora or that Rock-type user from Alola were indicative of black females. With that being said, you would have to be mentally impaired to think that the only reason people think Iris is Native American is because they don’t want her to be black. As people have pointed out, there’s a lot to suggest she is Native American, and that evidence is only rendered invalid by a single line. She comes from a “far away” region that is not Unova.
But anyway, this whole post is probably moot. You’re not really upset about racists desperately trying to deny Nessa/Iris their identity. What really happened is that you figured out the anon that called Alder a culture vulture is probably a POC themselves, probably black, because no white dude would ever call out whites like that, and you decided to frick with him. This whole reply chain is cringe. IDK whose who, but to the moron that posted about not having any qualms calling Marina black – Marina is the most stereotypical black girl to hit pop culture since Numbuh 5. You’d have to be mentally impaired to think she was anything but black. It's not the same as Iris and Nessa at all.
Wait, what's the evidence for Native American Iris? I'd like to hear it.
Maybe she's Native Central/South American.
>One person (you) said he looked Native American based on his clothes and demeanor.
No I didn't, idiot. My first post about Alder is right here
Asking why would they do that in a Pokemon game speaking in general not just about Alder, but Iris and Nessa too.
Because, funnily enough, these white americans so obsessed with racism and the like are the most racists of them all.
>He has tanned skin and wild anime hair. The fact that you defaulted to white says where your brain is.
Nice bait.
>Alder is native American despite having facial hair and red hair
And Eastwood's character in old spaghetti westerns is native american because he wears a poncho. Dumb amerifat sjw.
Alder is more like Caucasian/native mixed, kinda like the wrestler Tatanka
>Indian/Paki
It's moronic to apply real world racial demographics to in-universe Pokemon characters. India doesn't exist, Pakistan doesn't exist. Unless GF specifically outlines the races of the Pokemon world they won't , all that can be said definitively is characters range from white to brown.
It's not just this board but holy shit the race obsession is suffocating.
>It's not just this board but holy shit the race obsession is suffocating.
Anything related to Iris or Nessa devolves into this
i dont splat tim either but i love browsing butthurt children threads on twitter and saw that apparently octolings can change their skin tone at will, so she canonically chooses to be "black" for the aesthetic. thats how actual fans were explaining to the cartoon rights activists that they should read the lore instead of launching an attack on the (hello kitty collab? idr) campaign where a plush of marina was made to have pastel coloring including lightened skin which sent tumblrinas into a fit
>but i love browsing butthurt children threads on twitter
You need some real hobbies then
sustained nerve damage in my wrists a few years ago from overworking and have already watched literally every long running crime show in existence so reading funny twitter drama and wikipedia articles is sometimes all i can physically do if my hands wont let me play video games or type. also i just love peoplewatching, its interesting to see how absolutely stupid some people can be
thats why its so funny. they are actively making people hate the cause they want so desperately to become normal but the extremes they go to when its not only end up pushing creators away from even trying. and a lot of the stuff with nessa really was just butthurt babies completely misunderstanding how art works, i cant tell you how many times ive seen them throw a tantrum because someone didnt eyedrop a characters skin color directly from their reference art even when doing so would look horrendous next to other colors used in the fanart theyre raging about
this may be hard for you to believe but i do not keep a mental database of every race that exists by average skintone, nor am i going to entertain your request by researching it to a degree that will surely still not satisfy you. all i know is what i see people complaining about, and the cognitive dissonance is amusing to me
>this may be hard for you to believe but i do not keep a mental database of every race that exists by average skintone, nor am i going to entertain your request by researching it to a degree that will surely still not satisfy you. all i know is what i see people complaining about, and the cognitive dissonance is amusing to me
You write a long essay just to state "I can't because I'm dumb". Yep, you are an idiot
>sentence that took about 25 seconds to write
>long essay
this is it. this is what i love to see
>activists that they should read the lore instead of launching an attack on the (hello kitty collab? idr) campaign where a plush of marina was made to have pastel coloring including lightened skin
Do these morons not get that shit like this is just going to make nips stop creating dark skinned characters since they always just make autists flip their shit?
It was the Sanrio collab. A dark skinned one was made as well.
shes a dark skinned choctopus
Skin color for drawn characters is purely a character design choice
This is the post thay started all these race-baiting war. And yet I was the one who got temporary ban for "inciting race war". This is bullshit jannies. Do your work properly for once dipshits.
>And yet I was the one who got temporary ban for "inciting race war".
Link to your post in the archives
Pls kys
They aren't black, they're tan and/or native
There are no blacks in the game and there shouldn't be any in the game.
Lenora is black. Like confirmed black they redesigned her because of the mammy controversy.
Thats some 50 shade tan
>they're tan
Tan people don't get that dark allover.
anime magic
this guy is white
>When Iris debuted, people didn't like her because she was black
This is so disengeuous that it makes my stomach turn. No. No one cared if Iris was black people hated her because she was a smug fricking c**t in the anime. BW reverted all of Ash's character development after nearly a decade of him serving as a big brother character to his new to Pokemon female companion. No one wanted a character that constantly reminded them of how Ash was rebooted into a moron. At the time characters like Iris were also a larger trend in the anime industry that people had grown tired of because every major show seasonal at the time had a tsundere Shana or Haruhi clone as the main female.
You're such a kid anon.
I never understand how burgers can be so proud of their utter ignorance. Nessa is objectively modeled after a Dravidian indian. Literally everything about her design, especially in contrast with actual black pokemon characters, makes this blatantly obvious and indian or paki diaspora is something obviously more associated with a britain region than blacks. Take your heads out of your asses and realise a world exists outside the US.
>Nessa is objectively modeled after a Dravidian indian
Prove it
Wrong, maldivian model Raudha Athif
You guys really want every character to not be black so you latch on to the next race that are typically known for being darker.
There are more black people in LIVERPOOL where Nessa is from than Pakistan or Indian. Get your facts straight.
So black people only exist in America? Iris, Nessa etc and everybody else is Native American and Indian?
Dude, I am a Caribbean Afro-descendant and I find it stupid that you see any dark-skinned character as a black person, in my work I have met Turks, Cameroonians, Indians, Thais, Brazilians, Arabs, Filipinos and they would be offended if you generalize them , especially continental Africans, there is so much diversity that in the same country up to 7 ethnic groups can coexist, each with its own language, culture and phenotype.
tldr
Most people just say “Caribbean” or “Afro Caribbean” the “descendent tells me there is some white (or non blackness) in their being masked.
Nonetheless, the problem is your assumption was wrong and it erases black peoples from the narrative. People think that two characters are black (well justified considering the locations) and you’re up in arms
Why do black people get up in arms when a brown character is NOT interpreted as black? At this point it's clear you're a troll and I really shouldn't even respond.
Weren’t you one of those “black people” descendent? And the issue isn’t that. I don’t waste my thinking of the races of these characters. I’m just pointing out it’s stupid of you assuming they couldn’t be black because “der only BLK PPL IN Ameruica”.
Iris an immigrant to location with a high black/Hispanic concentration and Nessa’s hometown has way more black people than South Asians but you’re claiming they’re anything but to be a contrarian
Everyone knows multiple dark skin races exist. The issue is why is there so much vitriolic vehement venomous opposition whenever someone dares suggest or feel represented by a character COULD be black as a possibility, when no such intense scrutiny exist for light/pale skinned characters and whites are absolutely free to identify with them to their hearts content.
Bingo.
People are quick to erase any possibilities of these characters being black because they don’t want black people on TV and when you say this and just be up front about their thought patterns instead of beating around the bush you get gas lit with “no I’m just saying other races exist” as if we didn’t know that.
Or maybe it's because you homosexuals are obnoxious as frick Black person who cannot see a character being skintone a microshade of dark because you go BLACK BLACK BLACK THIS CHARACTER IS BLACK REPRESENTATION BLACK REPRESENTATION.
You know, the same reason why people actually dislike Iris. Not because she's a Black person. But because she's one annoying prick.
That’s okay. She’s Champion about to defeat Cynthia and you’re upset about it forcefully typing about it from your mothers basement. It’s okay to be racist…online. Embrace it
Don’t care about you spamming the N word because you and I both know youre only saying it because on the internet and you wouldn’t dare say that to a black man (or woman really) because you know your fate.
Sad boy
I really don't mind seeing black people on tv but I notice a lot of black people cling to anime/Japanese characters who are not black or confirmed black and make a fuss when people don't see things the way they do. Like I've noticed quite a number of people recently who are obsessed with claiming Nico Robin is a black woman that was later white washed because the anime gave her a slight tan that never existed in the manga. Usopp gets this too but much much worse. He's never been colored black officially and the only evidence anyone has is Oda said he'd be from Africa (A country that is not all black) once if he was real. And just so many countless dark skin Asian characters from that bunny girl in MHA to Sailor Pluto countless weird ass arguments about how they're black people. It's bizarre. Brock falls into this too if we're going back to Pokemon. Very clearly meant to be Asian to the point he was removed from the anime in fear of offensive over Asian racial stereotypes but a lot of black Americans will get heated if you suggest he is anything other than black. It's bizarre. These characters should be viewed as Japanese by default. Does your entire self worth really resolve around anime characters in children's games representing you? I just don't get it. Why should I believe these characters aren't Japanese?
Because there’s a difference between forcibly assuming somebody isn’t black just because you want them being anything but and actually having good discourse.
Iris an immigrant to New York (Unova) that has a high rate of immigration from Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and other Latin American and Caribbean countries. Where are people getting Native American from? Judging by hair why wouldn’t she be black?
Same with the other guy. Nessa is literally from an in game place where the origin has a higher amount of black people than South Asian.
And I’m only debating this because these characters are located in areas outside of Japan so (Kanto-Sinnoh). It’s very possible they could be black but people are mad that it’s being assumed because “not everything has to be black!!!”. Check your racism.
It’s odd that you feel so strongly against people assuming the race of a character that might relate towards them. Somehow you’re not able to understand how Iris and Nessa could be black but could completely understand how Diantha a French woman is white. Get outta here.
>Could
You are trying to force it as the definitive interpretation, that they ARE black. Yes, they COULD be black. I personally don't think they are but sure, there is possibility.
No I’m not hence why I’ve said “could” as you quoted and even numerous of times in this conversation. Don’t try to dismantle my argument to make it less illegitimate.
The point is, question why you feel so stronger about black children (even older people whatever) seeing themselves in darker toned characters. Especially character that aren’t in freaking based Japanese regions. I know why it upsets you but do you. Period.
Unova is not New York, it's Unova. And in Japan it has a much more Japanese name: Isshu. The characters have Japanese names. The Pokemon have a Japanese names. There's bits and pieces of not only Japanese culture, but European and more. In the Japanese version the towns and locals all have Japanese names Iris is the leader of THE SORYU City gym. Even Nessa has a Japanese name in the original Japanese version. Rurina.
And the problem doesn't come from people headcanonning shit it comes from them forcing it on others and throwing fits if it's not acknowledged as truth. Also I've seen many Indian fans ripped to shreds by black fans for seeing Nessa and Raihan as Indian representation. Same with Leon and Hop from time to time.
Argue with Junichi Masuda if you think you know more about the games not me
Masuda has never once said "Unova is New York and everything about them is the same". You're trying to use Puerto Rican New York immigration statistics to ask why no one thinks Iris is Puerto Rican as some kind of racism gatcha. That is moronic. Unova is a fictional nation based on New York created by a Japanese studio. Also it's very clear why people think Iris is Unova's equivalent of a Native American. She's tied directly to the history of Unova. The anime runs even further with this by making her home town a Native American inspired village with a cheiftan elder.
I'm of the opinion that she's Japanese until Gamefreak says otherwise but there is certainly more towards her being based on Native Americans than her being Black of Puerto Rican. The fact that you have a problem with her not being black shows your own insecurities.
homie how is she tied a country she’s not even from and just immigrated to? Lmao point proven. Anyway you’ve proven my point. Have fun with your Japanese Native American that’s not even from the place you’re claiming she’s from.
As Diantha says “checkmate”.
Also I promise nobody cares about what a man child who brushes their teeth with Mountain Dew thinks. You aren’t being forced to think about anything. Go find some Indians or whoever and come back. I highly double black people care about who they claim or who anti black people like you claim them as. You’re the only person who’s pressed. Sorry but if Iris, Nessa, Kiawe and Raihan are claimed as black then stay in a white persons place and mind your business. Nobody is forcing you to believe in anything.
>Kiawe
>Black
In what world is he black and not a Pacific Islander? Not everything is about you.
Have you seen his dad
That's his dad in the anime only. In the game it's a generic lightskin npc. Kiawe is very obviously meant to represent Hawaiians. Some of whom have darker skin. This is almost as bad as when you gays try and claim Hau.
Bruh Melanesians are/can be black. Get an Atlas my guy. You have all this time to be upset with black people existing but not educating yourself
>ayo bruh they finna be black
they're not SSA you monkey. By that logic Dravidian pajeets are black (they're not). Kiawe is native Hawiian and his name is in reference to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopis_pallida, a type of tree commonly found in Hawaii and parts of South America.
How about you let them consider themselves what race they are. “His name” derrrr his name. And what about it? Colonizers name their kids Paris and London despite having no connection.
Like I said, say monkey or whatever racial slur you want it doesn’t matter because you wouldn’t say it where it counts because you what would happen to you. So as long as you keep those monkeys comments on Ganker it’s fine! Now to back lacking a culture despite somehow knowing about other peoples that’s not school shootings and aging badly
But anyways this conversation is boring. If you think these characters aren’t black idrc. Still won’t stop what you’re fighting against 😉
Sorry. “You know what would happen to you”. It’s funny that you have no culture yet somehow believe you know every single culture and what they identify as.
What is this racist at night on Ganker smiling in black peoples face in the day time because you’ll get beat up?
“Derrr how can you be a Pacific Islander and black from Hawaii”
Anyways again futile argument. People won’t stop claiming them. Cope from your mothers basement and start planning your next attack
>when no such intense scrutiny exist for light/pale skinned characters
not that guy, but:
She's WHITE, redhair means she's scotish, green eyes are nordics, her name is Misty, that's a english name, she can't be ASIAN!!!
I'm not here to argue with you, but this shit happens everywhere, there are people to date who are surprised when you explain to them that Brock is a Japanese boy, even when they swear he's black or Mexican because of a song taken out of context
>ACKSHUALLY
>GET YOUR FUCTS STRAIGHT
>I POST FAKE SHIT WITHOUT PROOF
Do you not know Naomi Campbell?
>Dude, I am a Caribbean Afro-descendant and I find it stupid that you see any dark-skinned character as a black person
How is that their problem?
>sirs my favorite pokemon character is modeled after my race sirs
Cope
Fact.
Neither of them is particularly popular
You need to recheck that statement.
Iris was only known to Pokémon fans
People outside the Pokémon noticed Nessa because she debuted as part of an E3+Nintendo Direct if I recall correctly.
Because social media was nowhere as widespread as it is nowadays, homosexual.
It was a different time anon. You'd ask the same question if they were swapped.
Blame 6th Gen for attracting a bunch of normalgays back to the series
Anon, Pokémon is the most profitable IP in the world. It has always been mainstream.
Bullshit. I will nakadashi Iris 100 times until she got haramase then I will bukkake Nessa. Your opinion didn't matter
What do you mean?
Not as much ‘tism when it comes to Iris in fanart
I want to cum inside Iris
How do you think she'll react?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
She's not a little kid, she can take some baby batter in her
If she knows what it does
>She's not a little kid
But she is, just because she says she isn't doesn't make it true.
This guy know what's up
Cope. She already took 100 nakadashis
I already nakadashi inside her 100 times. Yokatta she seems to enjoy it
She'll call you a little kid for cumming too quickly
Normalgays only saw her as a kid that was a poor attempt to replicate Misty due to the anime.
Meanwhile Nessa is a literal in-universe model and the west started coming down with jungle fever following 2016.
Iris came out before dicky became mainstream in nerd communities, meanwhile Nessa is a grown woman who made her first appearance in a high profile event (E3).
To be honest I don't understand the problem with Nessa being black. She's hot.
The problem is is that anons are scared of black people but they find Nessa attractive so they have to cope
personally its just irritating when people see any dark skinned character and assume it indicates afro when tons of other nonwhite races exist. the hypocrisy of people who claim to want diversity in things but then every time they see brown skin theyre like THIS CAN ONLY MEAN BLACK! while also complaining theres no representation for indian/polynesian/etc. like no shit because you idiots keep immediately afrocoding everything. the same morons who think light skin = white person = i can recolor this character to make them dark and therefore inclusive!!! congrats you just erased another asian for your stupid fake woke portfolio lol
Name any other race with black skin other than Black folks and pajeets. I'll wait
Whites claim any handsome light skin anime character as having "white features" but have major objections if any blacks want to larp as a rare dark skin character
>but then every time they see brown skin theyre like THIS CAN ONLY MEAN BLACK!
Okay, except do the same thing for light/fair skinned characters though. Pic related was used to start another race debate about a week ago. Odd how you seem tolerant of that....
Most of the people who b***h about black people identifying with a dark skin character are the same type of people who say anime characters are all white because their cartoon eyes are too big and they're not colored yellow
Why do white people tend to larp as other race if they claimed to be a master race???
I recognize those words but that still makes no sense.
Dilate
This is hard for you to believe but not finding cohesion in your sentence doesn't mean someone has gender dysphoria.
cause its the only way for their shitposting to get (you)s
100%
Why do colored skin people like to selfinsert themselves into colored characters? Iris is a Unovan. No more than that
She's a foreigner from a far away land in the games, not Unovan.
Dragon Village is literally just outside of Unova borders, moron
In the games, Drayden says he travelled the world to find a disciple, and that the Village of Dragons was particularly remote. No, it is not just outside the border.
In the manga, the Village of Dragons is Blackthorn, so Iris is japanese there.
In the anime, it is a small village just outsi de Opelucid, which is why Anime Iris is Unovan but no other version is.
>Iris is a Unovan.
Which is based off America, a non-fictional place.
Drayden said that Iris has a strong connection to the otherwise difficult-to-control Dragon-type, which is why she's his apprentice. She's a "special child". The Unova region was created by two dudes with a dragon and it's based on America. If you're just connecting the dots, it really is not a big leap of logic to assume that Iris' skin color is supposed to be an allusion to Native Americans and that she herself is a descendent of the original rulers of Unova. There are some counterpoints that make this theory moot; her hair is pretty frizzy, which isn't very Native-like, and, more substantially, Iris does not originate from within Unova. Whether or not this means she's from a nearby region or she came from overseas is irrelevant, it pretty much dismantles the theory that she's a descendent of the Original Dragon's two masters.
She's probably black, or Hispanic, it really doesn't matter. But if you thought she was Native American, that's totally reasonable.
>Whether or not this means she's from a nearby region or she came from overseas is irrelevant, it pretty much dismantles the theory that she's a descendent of the Original Dragon's two masters.
She's from the "Village of Dragons", wherever that is.
There's also the fact that Iris' champion outfit makes her look like a queen or princess. Honestly, it would probably be cooler if she was a descendant of Unova's old nobility.
Oh right, that too. LOL
But no, anon, you don't understand. I'm just caught up on the fact she doesn't look like Mr.Popo, so I can't fathom that she could be black. There's not even the slightest bit of evidence that could make me think she was indigenous. Not even by mistake!
Now you're just seething lol
Laughing at morons doesn't mean you're seething.
No but bringing them up in a totally unrelated post paints you as pretty mad.
Her champion outfit is obviously Chinese inspired
She still looks like royalty though. Also Reshiram/Zekrom are based off of Taoism, so it doesn't really hurt the theory.
>She still looks like royalty though
Yeah I'm not contradicting it and I'm not reading this current aruging, but I'm just saying it because I feel like no one notices it
That fluttery translucent cloth she has always above her is reminiscent of those on tenshi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennin
which originate from Chinese and thus fit that slight Chinese influence Unova has
>Look through the archive to find my old thread
>tons of Iris is black vs native American debates
now I see where the hostility came from
Aruguing about race of featureless anime characters is so fricking stupid. There are exceptions like Diantha who is based on Audrey hepburn, Lt. Surge who is clearly an American soldier in Japan, or Kabu who looks stereotypically Japanese.
It's weird because game discussion is basically " X is good/bad because I say so XD" but on the subject of the race of X Pokemon character people are ready to drop competing dissertations
This, all of the characters look the same. The only character that was kinda confirmed black was lenora to avoid the accusation of mammy archetype. Even then she has no nose and only have lips because she's adult like Jesse.
Don't know, they both look the same to me
Imagine how drenched Nessa must be
>GATTAI!
I wish Iris sat on me like that
Huh I thought Iris is a Dragonoid and Nessa is a pajeeta?
>Nessa
Half black half indian
>Iris
Half black half native american
Problem solved
Nessa look like an esotic beauty, wears skimpy outfits and is ain-universe model. Iris is pratically a child with big eyes and weird hairs.
She's literally a child
And? Won't stop me from giving her mesugaki education
mesugaki need lots of breeding to prepare them for adulthood
remember, more dick now means an easier time giving birth later.
>Iris
Fully clothed and underage
>Nessa
Almost naked and adult
is the thread about pretending not to realize this?
Nobody gives a shit really.
iris is sexier to think of as a native american
Iris! Iris!
She did though. e-girlcucks are inherently all autistic.
So glad my mega spinoff queen didn't go through this.
She looks beautiful but I'm afraid she would beat me up
It's part of her charm.
Isn't that character supposed to be gender ambiguous or something?
>gender ambiguous
She has breasts and a high rise dress. You’re thinking of pic related
SHE'S a girl in certain countries., never male.
I agree, anon.
Blanche is a woman's name though, isn't it?
"blanche" is literally white but feminine in French, so yeah.
>this
>gender ambiguous
If she's taller than me I'm going to cry
How tall are you, anon?
5'8''
Statue is apparently 5'9.
Sorry, anon. But I think she likes her men short anyway.
MY QUEEN *kneels*
I thought the Blue Team leader that's supposed to be an androgene, not the Red Team leader?
You are correct
Kozaki, I miss you. Please come back to Fire Emblem.
That's not by Kozaki, but he probably gets paid just as much to do the yearly anniversary art for GO as he does to design a new set of FE characters
Not sure what you mean with autism. Iris gets lots of attention but more positively, Nessa has some negativity around her because of social media drama. back in Gen5 days social media wasn't as prevalent as today so there were no crazy sjws and blm Black folk trying to politicize Iris or get upset when somebody draws her too light.
youre the first use of "Black person" in a race thread, congratuations!
Sex with Iris.
There are more people that wanna frick Nessa and some of them can't admit that they wanna frick someone with dark skin.
It's insane how much can be revealed about society of the age through video games and other media. Also, the answer you're looking for is 2016.
Because 2016 didn't happen yet.
Mankind had not fallen yet again from the grace regained by the death of countless
Because Iris looks like a golliwog and Nessa has blue eyes and a slender face. Also the tanned hand card. Also blacks can't swim. Also, yeah, the world wasn't as political back then.
>blacks can’t swim
You know, you could’ve just said you were a racist dumbass and saved us all some time
Where exactly do you think you are, Black person?
Iris was an autistic kid, with horrible writing and personality.
Nessa is intended to be attractive in a day where sexualising anything gets people to go insane.
I miss the old days, where a black/brown character could be in a video game and no one, for most part, would give a shit. It was a time where people cared more about a character's personality and presentation than representation. Nowadays, make a black/brown character in a video game and you get non-stop race war babbling from both twittertards and /vpol/schizos.
If a character is originally black, nobody gives a frick. It's the race swapping of classic characters that poisons the well.
That's not even true anymore. You can make a original black character and people will still lose their minds. Watch it happen when GF inevitably reveal a black character in SV
Like I said, the well has been poisoned. We went from this guy is black.
To this guy is black for political reasons.
The question arises, do you give a frick if a character is black? Not really.
Do you give a frick when they make a character black for a quota? Yer, cos then it feels disingenuous. And that's what we're currently in right now. They did it to many times now everyone assumes its in bad faith by default.
>Do you give a frick when they make a character black for a quota? Yer
No. At this point people will b***h about being able to design your own character as political
>race swapping of classic characters that poisons the well.
First this is pokemon and it never happen. Second Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, Denzel and more acted in multiple roles that was initially white before you were born. For example the nutty professor and I am legend.
Here's an example of 3 black race swapping of Disney princesses. In this decade it's rare to see a race swap of a main character. You just lose your mind over minor characters and pretend that the 90s never happen.
>You just lose your mind over minor characters and pretend that the 90s never happen.
It's zoomers who don't know that they're not new or interesting and old fat asses were complaining or praising about their favorite shows they grew up with. "Nobody cared if a character was black", no, you didn't because you were still in diapers and weren't part of the conversation.
If we had the language and knowledge, we'd probably have worse and even stupider arguments about what race Brock is.
A lot of kids did view him as black because brown and "his hair is, like, an afro come on!". Honestly they should've had some more dark skin characters so people just don't give a shit anymore and don't freak out and get into autistic debates when it happens. Sometimes a character is just fricking brown and you don't need to know their haplogroups
Nessa is a swimmer, the idea of her being black is just silly.
As for Iris, her rococo style princess dress 100% confirms she's black a not native.
Because /vp/ didn't exist in 2010
Cute brown dicky
Literally the only detail that matters but homosexuals gonna homosexual
Why are black features considered ugly? aren't there ugly people in every race?
>Why are black features considered ugly?
They aren't as beauty is subjective. Of course it's more convenient to claim that they are to support a false sense of superiority over another group.
Africans have some amount of "mystery DNA" nobody can trace which pre-human ancestor it came from and no other race has, which basically means they fricked gorillas which is exactly what they look like.
God Iris is so cute
Right?
She is so sweet. We should be arguing about what kind of clothes she'd look cute in. Or maybe finding solidarity with Nessa fans (Nessa could help her pick out the clothing).
Not this... racial shit. Unite in coom, friends.
I just want to see them eat each other out
Why can't we have both, anon?
Different times. If BW/2 came out now, it'd be a fricking shitstorm with seething all over the twitter. And the games would be praised on /vp/ just for their effect on morons. It just came out at the wrong time, that's all.
Racists aren't attracted to her so they don't have to invent reasons why they aren't attracted to a fictional black woman.
Nobody is attracted to Nessa since she looks like a black pajeet, the worst of both. Also Nessa doesn't have a pic like this.
>Nobody is attracted to Nessa
homie you's cray-cray.
CHOCOLATE
Timing. Nintendo became a soiboi/normalgay thing around the release of the Switch and the whole nonstop race thing going around for the last years.
I guarantee a fraction of Nessa fans genuinely believe she's like the first PoC character in Pokémon because most of them only know about Kanto. There was also the kind of people who unironically believed people only hated SwSh (around E3 2019) because they added a brown character so they instantly adored the character because "frick Nazis or something" in retaliation.
>Nintendo became a soiboi/normalgay thing around the release of the Switch
"soiboi" wasn't a thing until after the Switch came out.
Iris is a human, Nessa is a bunch of play-doh noodles
…So Iris is a Native American of a country she’s not even from? Deep ancestry of this place despite just importing there? First of the Unovan people? Okay.
I’d like more black characters
Black people are cool
Blame the anime.
Anime Iris in BW was insufferable, well at least the dub version was. No idea what the jap version is like.
>"yoiiuoir suuhcc aaa keeeeeedd"
It's going to be funny if we ever do get confirmation where Iris is from in the games.
They might end up making her be japanese, what with her having a champion outfit partly based on east asian goddesses, quoting Sinnoh myth and potentially referencing Johto in her description of the Village of Dragons(what with Unova being the gen right after HGSS):
>And you know what... In the Village of Dragons, people take living alongside Pokémon for granted.
Might refer to following Pokémon, might not.
>other blacks are trying to claim one of the shittiest champions
Big cringe
Okinawan is not the same as brazilian
I’m disappointed SV doesn’t seem to have any cute brown girls like Iris and Nessa so far. Nemona and this lady are very underwhelming
Back when black and white were released, all of the mentally insane twitter trannies were contained on Tumblr. Then when Tumblr banned pornography, they all migrated to twitter, which made their voices louder and spread their moronic opinions to normalgays
im assuming the autism that op is refering to is the overwhelming amount of racist edits nessa got and the controversy that came with those after, which isnt something that happened to iris
doesnt sound like something that woulda come out of tumblr back in the day
>im assuming the autism that op is refering to is the overwhelming amount of racist edits nessa got and the controversy that came with those after
Those were worse than the tumblr shit since it stemmed from nothing more than petty spite and whining about the same shit years later and can't just enjoy a girl
Everyone involved in that controversy needs to get laid
iris hair is fricking shit
Nissan is indian/hindi, not black. She is from England not America, if you see a person with darker skin in things based on England 9 times out of 10, they are indian/hindi. Look at Rose and his bro, Leon and Hop, and all the other misc trainers with dark skin. Nobody ever called them black from what I saw, but for some reason they think the straight haired dark lady was.
Sirs Nessa is a Galarian, not a Bonglander sirs. There are no pajeets in a perfect world of Pokemon sirs.
Are you slow?? reread his statement they're meant to be indian and there's many in britain
Are you illiterate? I said Nessa is a Galarian. She is not a British, American, pajeeta, or from any country IRL.
>racism
What kind of stupid ass nonsense are you on about, Galar is based off england so we're talking about what their TRUE races/ethnicity are supposed to be
>based on
You btfo'ed yourself you absolute moron
>implying Pokemon world have the same ethnicity structure as our world
Go back to your designated
You should be heading to pol you racist moron, ruining any valuable discussion we had
>Nissan is indian/hindi, not black. She is from England not America, if you see a person with darker skin in things based on England 9 times out of 10, they are indian/hindi. Look at Rose and his bro, Leon and Hop, and all the other misc trainers with dark skin. Nobody ever called them black from what I saw, but for some reason they think the straight haired dark lady was
You call THIS valuable??? Sure, one's trash is other's gold I guess. Screenshot that crap. Hang it in your shrine. Worship it like you worship cows.
I always seen Iris as mixed
Iris was just meant to be a black girl I mean Unova was based off the USA sooo
>I mean Unova was based off the USA sooo
Iris is not Unovan.
Now that this thread hit reply limit I think it’s clear to see that Iris gets equally as much autism as Nessa now. At least on vp
>inb4 somebody spams that one ao3 futafanfic with nessa in it