Why did Melee outlive Ultimate?
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Why did Melee outlive Ultimate?
Why did Melee outlive Ultimate?
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Less characters, more concise match ups and gameplay.
Melee was designed to be a good game and improve upon its predecessor in every way (and 64 was already great)
Ultimate was designed to appeal to consoooomers and soiboys, using a barely improved upon framework used for Sm4sh
Because unlike Salem, Melee always has a rebirth
And Plup outplaced you, where were the years of research?
It's the faster game and fast is fun
You don't need 300 characters if your game handles better
poke floats
Autism.
it outlives universe itself
i know most of its players are fat smelly nerds but they are not wrong for liking it
Ultimate > Melee.
In fact, 64 > Melee.
Melee is trash. Overrated trash kept barely relevant by a dwindling number of fatass fanboys.
melee has not outlived anything. it has a dedicated autistic playerbase that is 0.01% of the overall smash series playerbase that is magnified by the internet in a similar way that trannies are
troony game
melee came out in 2001. in 2019 the koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland was discovered. the difference in soul is simply immeasurable.
Please tell me you're being ironic.
That's true passion. Slavering addicts chasing after their next content update hit don't get it.
Content updates kept Ultimate interesting and relevant.
Because nusmash gays don't actually give a frick about smash. Just rosterhomosexualry and the "new game" feeling.
nusmash > Super Trash Bros. Gaylay.
Both suck, just the Gaylay crowd is infinitely more obnoxious, therefore the game they represent is shit.
Because you smelly frickers won't shut the frick up and try something else.
Melee has no input lag.
EVERY video game has input lag, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
"No."
>input via controller cord to console
>input via console to TV screen
>NO INPUT LAG WHATSOEVER, NO SIRREE
>ackshully
I accept your concession. (Unless you can cite a reliable source stating clearly that video games don't necessarily have input lag)
That wasn't the argument, that's just what you wanted to argue about.
>video games don't have input lag!
See
Literally claimed Melee has no input lag.
The burden of proof falls on that poor sod.
Melee doesn't have input lag that wasn't artificially placed there like Ultimate's was. Take your fricking meds.
>artificially placed there like Ultimate's was
[citation needed]
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Frame_delay
We're all chasing a dragon we'll never catch up to.
>no Suckarai garbage like Rosalina, Persona, Mythra, Sora, etc.
>was rushed and forced to cut out things that might have made it worse overall
>a certain relatively small series stayed that way and didn't get more reps than everybody else
>was a neat museum that doubled as a Nintendo party game and not a shitty excuse for a videogame hall of fame
>debuted in a much better time
>a certain relatively small series stayed that way and didn't get more reps than everybody else
i disagree, mario is no small series and deserves to have more reps than everybody else
It's the wrong 'Mar' I'm referring to
Ultimate has literally unplayable netplay so the only people playing it are those going to locals. And Ultimate ends up getting banned because Ultimate players are 10x worse than the worst Melee player in terms of attitude and personality.
Because one of the core symptoms of autism is an inability to accept change, and a preference for the familiar and the routine.
Melee outlived Ultimate for the same reason melee players don't eat broccoli, or look people in the eyes when they talk.
>Arguments for Melee
>well thought out discussions of game design
>Arguments against Melee
>"You're fat and smell bad!!!!"
I dont even play this game, what is up with this?
99% of Melee's fanbase is indeed fat and smells bad. Oddly enough, the white kids who play it are far worse than the Black folks and wetbacks.
Does that make it the worse game?
Ultimate has really shitty unresponsive movement and a lot of the combos are boring too. Mario downthrow uptilt uptilt upair upair upair dair gets really boring when it's like the only real combo you've got. It's fun if you're not taking it super seriously but I don't understand why anyone would actually play it competitively.
Still playing melee? Thats a yikes from me.
the game is better
/thread
[citation needed]
It's a 7/10 game IMO. Nothing special.
And what about other installments to the series?
>Ultimate is rated higher on Metacritic than Melee
>Ultimate outsold Melee by more than 4x
But go on, how is Melee "better"? (without stating an opinion which cannot be cited)
melee sold more in % of consoles sold and has everyone prâise the game and play it while saying its the best fricking 20 years later lets see if that happens with ultimate
outside of that numbers ar emeaningless what matters is the game and Melee is objectively superior in almost every single way, even completely disregarding esports and advanced techniques, but solely as a casual game. nintendo has become shit, zelda isn't zelda anymore, they fell off just like the west, deal with it
>melee sold more in % of consoles sold
He didn't move any goalposts, you are using sales as a metric for quality, so translating those sales to a per capita basis is fair play
>translating those sales to a per capita basis is fair play
there is a possibility that you re not even baiting in which case you actually are 2 INT IRL
You guys are both moronic, sales and metacritic doesn't fricking matter if a game is actually good
They're both fine games, but Ultimate is the better game on sheer principle that it doesn't rely on a glitch mechanic for gameplay. You can argue they're both buggy, but one uses it's bugs infinitely more frequently
>sales and metacritic doesn't fricking matter if a game is actually good
Never said it did, was merely mediating the other anon's debate
I'm not going to get dragged further into your gay lover's quarrel, you're a moron for even humoring that shit
And you're a moron for jumping in just to let everyone know what a special boy you are
>sales and metacritic doesn't fricking matter if a game is actually good
See image:
>Why did Melee outlive Ultimate?
Loaded question. (a logical fallacy)
The top tiers, spacies, are high risk, high reward. They promote a fast and interactive meta. Ultimate top tiers promote a slow and frustrating meta where approaching and interaction is discouraged. Melee also has a good online system, ultimate still sucks.
>good online system
You mean for the 20 smelly, inbred, should-have-been-aborted, homosexual neckbeards who still play it online?
The centralized characters promote speed, but other good characters are reeee'd at, like Jigglypuff
more + better singleplayer content
stronger community
somehow the most balanced despite half the roster being seen as unviable
It feels good to play, feels good to move around in. Brawl and 4 felt like fricking shit. Imagine having someone like Captain Falcon not have momentum on his running fricking jump. Ultimate is a little better but still feels awkward and weird, they never replicated the good physics from melee.
I'm not even gonna get into gameplay proper, I'm just talking about moving normally in the game whether or not use you use competitive techniques or not. It's nice, makes you wanna play more and try doing crazy shit more.
Unironically the only way they'll fix upon future entries is if they make ultimate the armageddon. Give next entry only like 30 characters consisting of must-haves from ssb and rotate the other 18 characters around each new entry.
Melee is like counter strike 1.6, one you played it you can't go back, same for Fzero GX and futuristic racing games, nothing comes close. the only way nintendo copes is adding more characters and stages but the gameplay is actually less fun and the art is of lower quality, music animations style models etc
Black folk
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okay