Why did people play this?

>make vague plans years ago in the wake of WH:TW's success
>years later release TOW
>sells better than GW expected
>wanting to deliver on the 9 core factions, they postpone plans for Kislev/Cathay
>your moron brain chooses to interpret this as a "flop"
The cope is so fricking unreal I can't decide whether it's hilarious or just cringey. Are you that worried that you'll run out of people to play Shitmar with lmfao

That's the whole point moron. They're appealing to older players who want old models. As evidenced by the fact they're consistently sold out. Not everyone wants your overdetailed CAD centrepieces shit. Go on, what cope will dribble out next ?

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By the way, which is it? Releasing old metals that grogs supposedly don't want meaning "a flop"? Or releasing new CAD centrepiece shit that supposedly grogs want, resulting in "a flop"? Only one of these can be true but you're trying to push both narratives because you're a braindead homosexual with no argument, high as frick on copium.

>grogs dont want old models
>grogs want modern AoS centrepiece CAD shit
>neither of those things are remotely true
Only in an AoS troony's mind are old kino sculpts bad, you unironically think picrel are good minis lmao. Peak zoomer deep fried brain.

>CAD centrepieces shit, fem-Knights
Kept to a minimum, thankfully.
>metal models
Based.
>You justify GW cutting half the factions
I never said anything about "half the factions", which I presume is meant "Legacy" factions; that's your own delusion speaking. My original post was in reference to Kislev and Cathay. You're desperate to believe that them postponing (not cancelling) Kislev and Cathay is evidence of a "flop". I'm pointing out that it's quite the opposite. Seeing the initial success of TOW, it's wise for them to focus on the 9 supported factions they included in the game, rather than rushing out and forcing some Kislev/Cathay crap that was vaguely dreamed up years ago in an effort to generate hype among secondaries.

You can keep crying and shitting yourself. Old minis are back and that's a good thing. TOW products are selling. Kislev and Cathay are postponed so that a higher quality release of TOW can be maintained, in spite of GW's initial expectations. It's that simple really. I know being bullied online for your shit taste in minis must be really tough for you but it's ok, you can just ignore the posts and go play some AoS.

Being able to consistently produce and sell models to meet demand is indicative of a successful launch, yes. What "gotcha" do you think you've scored by posting this model? I'm curious.

>still misses the point
can't tell if you're trying to be moronic or are actually just moronic

Mirin those flanges

NTA and I don’t give a frick about ToW but calling it cut when the only thing they ever showed you was concept art for a DIFFERENT game is fricking stupid.

Anon they literally said they worked with CA to make that concept art even ignoring that why the frick would anyone expect kislev or Cathay anytime soon when both of those factions are surrounded by factions that are barely a thing in ToW? Or the fact that ToW is focused on eras for whatever reason?

Okay? How does that take away from anything I said? Do you know what a pipeline is? Why the frick would they be focusing on the west and the border princes and then just jump across the fricking planet to do kislev?

It's rare I meet someone this dumb outside of reddit, yet here you are.

Imagine having a game you can't add factions to. Grim. Muh pipelines tho

>Based.

Paying upmarked prices for models made of inferior material bc of muh comfy nostalgia

Projecting much

Assuming I'm a litteral no model having larping secondary tell me I'm wrong. Also I enjoy a smart phone free lifestyle so can't take photos if I wanted to

They've been working on this shit as far back as 2019. Discarding so much development makes 0 sens if you know you can sell it to willing customers. This reads as cutting losses, not some secret plan to wast money for no reason

>so much development on it
>suddenly kill its development
>this isn't about wasting money
you're legit fricking moronic, just think, even briefly, about what you vomit onto your keyboard

And prematurely kill its development before the game even released was my point- no fricking way it was made AFTER all of their ow shit selling out over and over again for a whole month

No. That they influence the mainstream more than most people realize.
Fromsoft's designer read the Fighting Fantasy books and some odd bits and bobs from Dark Souls are 1:1 taken from there for example (and the 98 video game Livingstone made while at Eidos, i.e. ).
Bryan Ansell wrote Laserburn in 1980. Jason Gollop started programming in 1982, had two games published by GW before eventually writing a game called Laser Squad and then planned a sequel that ended up being changed and called X-Com.

In the 70s and 80s there were no videogames with nice graphic interfaces nor even videogames at all, really. Gollops first videogames were based on his boardgames. Livingstone went to Eidos who made Tomb Raider, Steve Jackson went to Lionhead Studios who made Black and White and of course kept publishing traditional games.

You could write a novel on how stuff cross pollinated and trickled down through that transatlantic connection between Gygax and GW as publisher/importer of DnD. John Blanch did a 1st edition cover for the EU version of DnD and eventually TSR hired GW artists to work for them. That's not even going into the miniatures.
Consequently everything that is touched by the modern fantasy genre has been influenced by GW staff as well. If you go down the rabbit hole a ton of modern mainstream stuff goes back to what a couple of nerds in the 70s did because they were bored.

No, I just don't have the time to (nor inclination really) write an essay about it on Ganker. Frankly most people don't care to evaluate a dissenting opinion in good faith at all, so it's just a waste of time to try and convince a random poster.

It's very cut and dry though, if you want to look into the history yourself. It's amazing in how many pies they've had their fingers.

Thanks for taking the time to write this up anon. The older I get the more I find myself fascinated by this kinda stuff. If you'd write a longer for essay or such on a blog I'd love to read it. Do you have any sources you'd recommend for reading?

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I think you touch on some very interesting points, anon.

I spent a while trying to articulate my own ramblings on the relation between the rising obsession with lore and canon as a direct result of companies becoming hyperfocused on brands and copyright:
WFB's origin was largely a sandbox for people to play with their favorite fantasy toys with some flimsy justifications. This allowed for the fluff to evolve over time, partially by popular consensus as unpopular concepts or ideas simply disappeared over iterative editions. This resulted in a world that suitably generic that it's almost instantly recognizable to anyone with a passing interest in fantasy, but had enough variation that it allows for a fair amount of leeway to create your own fluff (ie; 'my tomb kings are an ancient lustrian colony', 'my lizardmen do not have a slann, as they are from the southlands', 'my dark elves are secretly a slaanesh cult', 'my undead army is raised from a fallen high elf host', etc.)

(continued)

This became problematic to late Kirby-era GW, following the infamous Chapterhouse verdict and the focus on copyright. Clearly, none of WFB was suitably copyright-able, no matter how it was framed. Looking at it from this context, it becomes clear that AOS was created as a framework to create a more copyright-able IP.
Factions needed to be reworked, so that they could be copyrighted. For this to stand up in court, the new factions needed to significant change so that they could constitute original work. Fan input was no longer wanted, and indeed detrimental to this goal.
As such, a clear shift occured, not only in how the factions were designed, but also in how the settings have been changed into ongoing top-down narratives focussing strictly on GW created characters and factions.

In the post Kirby era, we can see that new leadership has realized that killing off beloved settings and system to prevent intellectual property theft and piracy amounts to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Interestingly, the rise of recasting and 3d printing in the past decade means that while GW wasn't wrong to be worried about their intellectual property, they were wrong about which direction it would come from.

TL;DR I hate AOS, because to me, it represents a shift from GW making a product that they wanted to be good to GW making a product that they could solely own.

Also interesting to note is your use of 'fluff' instead of 'lore'.

>GW killed wfb cope
It was long dead before it was disposed of

Thanks for taking the time to write this up anon. The older I get the more I find myself fascinated by this kinda stuff. If you'd write a longer for essay or such on a blog I'd love to read it. Do you have any sources you'd recommend for reading?

[...]
I think you touch on some very interesting points, anon.

I spent a while trying to articulate my own ramblings on the relation between the rising obsession with lore and canon as a direct result of companies becoming hyperfocused on brands and copyright:
WFB's origin was largely a sandbox for people to play with their favorite fantasy toys with some flimsy justifications. This allowed for the fluff to evolve over time, partially by popular consensus as unpopular concepts or ideas simply disappeared over iterative editions. This resulted in a world that suitably generic that it's almost instantly recognizable to anyone with a passing interest in fantasy, but had enough variation that it allows for a fair amount of leeway to create your own fluff (ie; 'my tomb kings are an ancient lustrian colony', 'my lizardmen do not have a slann, as they are from the southlands', 'my dark elves are secretly a slaanesh cult', 'my undead army is raised from a fallen high elf host', etc.)

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>WFB was /your-dudes/ friendly
That definitely is/was not true for a very long time
Having your own fuff/lore was nearly impossible

Hell, even the designers and writers hated working on it because even they could not add or change sth

This is such a high quality post.
I would add that Warhammer, both battle and 40k, used to be a mash up of everything one knew at the time. But then the original inspirations (Aliens 2, Terminator, Rambo, etc.) faded out in the background. There's now a new generation, of both GW employees and GW clients, for whom the fluff stands on its own. If they ever see Alien they'll recognize Space Hulk, instead of the other way around. I say this is what sacralize Warhammer as something untouchable, because of the illusion of originality, and thus, as you phrase it, freeze the fluff in amber.

Thanks for taking the time to write this up anon. The older I get the more I find myself fascinated by this kinda stuff. If you'd write a longer for essay or such on a blog I'd love to read it. Do you have any sources you'd recommend for reading?

You're right in that the guys who were around at the beginning of Workshop influenced plenty of fantasy and even pop culture stuff, but none of that is through Warhammer or actual GW product. Tuomas Pirinen worked on Need for Speed, but that doesn't mean that Warhammer 6th Edition is an influence on pop culture; it's just guys moving around the industry.
The fact is that pop culture enters GW product and is then frozen in amber, copyrighted, incorporated into three Horus Heresy novels and regurgitated repeatedly over the decades, with each new Design Studio hire being forced to chew it up once more and vomit it out again in a slightly larger scale and with the rules in a slightly more expensive Codex with slightly less original art. Meanwhile the whole thing becomes slightly more impenetrable to anyone not already steeped in the fluff.
Unless you were born in the 80s, the GW of your lifetime was a pop culture black hole- inspiration goes in, it doesn't come back out.

I think you touch on some very interesting points, anon.

I spent a while trying to articulate my own ramblings on the relation between the rising obsession with lore and canon as a direct result of companies becoming hyperfocused on brands and copyright:
WFB's origin was largely a sandbox for people to play with their favorite fantasy toys with some flimsy justifications. This allowed for the fluff to evolve over time, partially by popular consensus as unpopular concepts or ideas simply disappeared over iterative editions. This resulted in a world that suitably generic that it's almost instantly recognizable to anyone with a passing interest in fantasy, but had enough variation that it allows for a fair amount of leeway to create your own fluff (ie; 'my tomb kings are an ancient lustrian colony', 'my lizardmen do not have a slann, as they are from the southlands', 'my dark elves are secretly a slaanesh cult', 'my undead army is raised from a fallen high elf host', etc.)

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The bigger issue is that the Dominion stormcast were possibly the biggest nothingburger in edition starter box history. Stormies were already horrendously bloated before it, and unlike Leviathan nothing is old enough for them to hype up with an updated sculpt. So now they have like 7 battleline units that basically all do the exact same thing. Their only appeal is that the new thunderstrike units aren't as wide as they are tall like 1e stormcast. Kruleboyz were controversial as well but at least it was something new.

>Their only appeal is that the new thunderstrike units aren't as wide as they are tall like 1e stormcast.
This isn't actually an improvement. Like the space marines they are based on, stormcast are transhuman freaks that have been twisted into living weapons. And like space marines, this is represented in their design with body proportions that emphasize strength and resilience. "Fixing" the proportions in thunderstrike or primaris eliminates this visual reference and results in a model that looks like it was supposed to be a regular human but got sculpted too big by mistake. Attempting to tone down the poses makes the armor look clumsy and restrictive and the weapons unwieldy. It "feels" better to secondaries and WAACgays but it's not actually a better design. If it were, thunderstrike would have sold more people on stormcasts.
>yeah but primaris sell
So did Centurions. Don't pretend that space marine fans aren't tasteless paypigs for the sake of a console war.