Why did retro tournaments have so much soul? Modern "esports" suck ass compared to those
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Why did retro tournaments have so much soul? Modern "esports" suck ass compared to those
did you go to any or are you just nostalgic for the way you thought the world was in those videos?
I'm mainly talking about youtube videos from these evets (which I did watch at the time it was posted). They were smaller and had that feel of people who love the game organazing things in a small place just to see the best players play. Modern esports has these huge avenues now with corporations and money involved and I think it's missing something.
ps: I did play cs 1.6 in the local lan cafe in my small town but I never went to any big tournaments. I'm not a zoomer if that's what you're implying
basically it became a sport.
You mean that heavily sponsored, regulated, gambling-oriented stuff, designed to make money?
I thought sports were, y'know, games with a competitive spirit, played for enjoyment.
You know the answer
Life was more enjoyable back then
here comes the cope
Not op, but you guys have no idea what it was like back then. You assume how it is now is how it was back then, except with crt's. Clearly under aged af
Im younger and i went to a lot of fighting game tournaments from 2012-2015 and it was the same grassroots vibe.
These days its not the same at all though. Really sanitized communities with tons of trannies too. I remember the old parties we used to have where everyone was underage drinking and smoking out of 6 foot bongs and at least 4 people were snorting coke. It was all college aged guys so shit was wild. Shit would never happen in today's scenes.
Should add this one huge reason for this is online play wasnt nearly as accessible so people were forced to go to in person stuff meaning that pro gamers were way less weird than the shut in freaks you see today. People had to go to each others house and socialize to practice, now everyone practices online and then only shows up to tournaments.
Thats why fightans stayed true to their origin for so long, every fighting game had trash online and that only started changing in the last 5 years.
The guys I knew into fighting games into the 2000s were legitimately cool and got laid all the time and shit. People in the "FGC" are the same milquetoast middlebrow dorks that make up every fandom nowadays.
Had pretty much the same experience, though my offline scene was always weird. But at least online it was just dudes talking shit and having fun. I miss USF4 voice chat and FC1 shinanigans a lot
Because you're a 30 year old loser who can't let go of the past or a 16 year old loser lying to yourself that you'd fit in if you'd been born sooner.
Im the first. Thats why im on /vr/
Nothing brings me joy except for dwelling on past and reminisce of better days
Personally I believe we're living in the end times, reminiscing about the past is just my way of coping with the fact that we're all gonna go the way of the dinosaur soon.
Zoomers love talking about shit they've never experienced as though they were there.
what does "winning" look like today in terms of vidya?
They were less annoying back then. There was no mainstream “gamer culture”, they were nerds and they knew they were nerds. It’s back when video games were embarrassing to make a hobby of still.
“Esports” is the gayest fricking term I have ever heard. They definitely didn’t call it that back then. I don’t think I heard the term “esports” until 2014.
They were not desperately trying to be taken "seriously".
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>Why did retro tournaments have so much soul? Modern "esports" suck ass compared to those
less contrived, more grass roots. Quakecon is like the 'Star Trek conventions' of the Esport world, if that makes any sense.
Watch the Smash doc you can see the exact moments things start going pure cancer mode. Women who are no good at the game and have no reason to be there start trying to police the events
I would not trust any documentary made about anything FGC (including Smash).
The revisionist history is too strong.
What smash doc?
money. thats it. thats why """esports""" is so sanitized. they need ad revenue
In 2001 they called it (or one of the major tournaments) World Cyber Games.
I went to many fighting game tournaments in the 2000s.
To be quite honest, I don't look back on it too fondly. They were exhausting both physically and to the ego.
>he hasnt gone through ego death.
Lmao
Why are you laughing, enlightened vegetable?
I did.
It wasn't fun.
The fact you're laughing tells me you haven't gone there yet.
it became too corporate instead of enthusias
I was into fighting games in the mid 2000s. The scene was rowdy, organic and had ZERO women in it. Now it's full of disgenic weirdoes and shit like events forcing people to wear masks up to this current year.
nothing really compares to pre-source counter-strike esports of those days, I haven't played since 1.6 but have been passively paying attention to CS2 coming out and it's weird as shit to look back and compare what it is now to back in the day using HLTV and shit to spectate
Sponsorships. And the people from the ground up that made these events.
Back in the 90's a Lan Tournament could be sponsored by a local ISP. Now it's a giant soulless corporate mess.
used to love old lans where your prize was MAYBE 1k which was split between 5 teammates and a manager and most actual players were getting scammed and never even saw their cuts anyway, and then you'd maybe get a headset or a mouse from the 2 sponsors of the entire event.
the biggest difference i feel though is that most of the guys playing werent trying to be ecelebs or make a name for themselves outside of anything other than their skill and sharing it through fragmovies. post-tournament interviews were always awkward as frick because nobody cared about the corporate shit and was there to play a game they were passionate about and win some fricking money while at studying at uni or whatever.
rivalries were also more real then. so many people genuinely hated each other due to online egos and the shittalking was often great
Because they played a huge range of games they liked, instead of just a few current, "balanced" competitive multiplayer-geared games. The closest thing that resembles those old tournaments today is spedrunning. NWC 2015 was also honestly pretty fun
Money became involved
Sorry OP but in the 2000s people like you would be seething on message boards how gen 1 was the golden age of gaming and now it's just chads drinking beer at lan parties
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