Why didn't the ascians just wait for every Scion (and Gaius) to die of old age once they figured out they could actually kill them?
Why didn't the ascians just wait for every Scion (and Gaius) to die of old age once they figured out they could actually kill them?
Emet didn't wait because he wanted to see if humanity could move beyond being broken shits by testing the Warrior of Light.
the entirety of Shadowbringers is a test to see if Humanity can take the reigns of history, and the moment you fuse with Ardbert you pass, and the final test is fighting him to the death.
he fully tries to kill you, but secretly, he wants you to win, without sacrificing his own ideals.
Elidibus feels compelled to try and kill you because he assumes that The Warrior of Light's power is so great that he can stop their plans for good, and he is right
Ok but what about the period between ARR and SB where they're still messing around and Emet-Selch is asleep.
what about it? you think that was the first time the squared up with hero's? it isn't till Lahabrea's death do they freak out, and change plans.
Circumstantial underestimation. First the WoL loses their blessing of light/Hydaelyn is really weak from saving our asses. Then you have that the victory against Nabrialas, a sundered, was something that needed tupsimati and someone dying to achieve, and Elidibus himself later tells us for a good while he thought (perhaps rightly so since they’ve manipulated heroes before) we could be a powerful tool to exploit. Then when Lahabrea died, well, that was on him and Thordan, everyone else regarded it as Lahabrea being a moron, Igerorym was, once again, a sundered Ascian. After that Emet-Selch probably had expected the Avatar of Zodiark could fricking handle shit but even he wised up and got moving.
All in all, also consider that with Emet being able to see the color of souls, combined with there having been seven successful rejoining plus the destruction of the thirteenth, the Ascians knew we honestly have a shit track record at actually stopping them. So in fairness what made the difference was not simply the WoL but the allies who helped us get into punching range.
Aight, fair enough.
Why was Tupsimati such a big deal anyway? I get Louisoix was strong but why was his staff so special?
It basically was able to draw on aether not just from himself but from a frick huge area around him. Presumably it was a relic of Amdapor or Mhach.
>Presumably it was a relic of Amdapor or Mhach.
The keys are older than that. The one Travanchet got from Seal Rock is of the same type as the horn on top of Tupsimati, and Seal Rock is an Allagan facility. So they're at least as old as Allag. I don't know if they'll ever be explained though because the keys are basically 1.0 lore that has just been sitting in the background as a nod for the 1.0 players who remember them and not much else.
they'll probably end up being ancient Auracite like the Heart of Sabik, since there is clearly more going on with that shit than we are fully told.
Yeah auracite is clearly the macguffin of future lore
How long until we go into space and see angel fish aliens again?
soon
this fight heavily hints at some frickery not in space, but in something outside our Universe itself, which probably shot Auracite into our world.
>Rift opens up at the bottom of the Ethyris Pacific
>Auracite monsters start crawling out
>Garlemald and Ironworks quickly rebuild the weapons programs
>this starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vU7XqToZso
Yeah, everyone is saying Ultima is from space because we're in the space expansion, but she's always been described as 'extradimensional'. And in Ivalice lore Ultima is that world's version of Lucifer, all the Lucavi are fallen angels.
I think the only thing I'm missing is why Athena is fish/aquatic themed, and so is her arena/area
Is it just her vision enhanced by the auracite?
Maybe related to Lahabrea's constellation being Pisces.
We still have sin and jenova as name drop villains
Ultima The High Seraph is a much higher power level version of Jenova as "entities from space that are creepy parasites"
and the Warrior of Lights unexpected, unexplained (even now) power increases.
the WOL has steadily, and now, impossibly gained power and broke through mortal limits till the point in Shadowbringers, were basically non non-ascian non-super primal could ever touch them.
Ardbert's fusion shouldn't have counted for that much of an increase, yet story wise it was basically exponential, and from then forward it got even crazier, the Elidibus Warrior of Light fight should have been a curbstomp in their favor, its quite possibly the strongest "Warrior" fight in the entire franchise, and he stands almost no chance, even with banishment, the WOL has answers.
its never explained, and I dunno if there will be in the future, but even an 8th rejoined WoL is somehow, MUCH stronger than an empowered Primal+Unsundered, who should be leagues more powerful than an Unsundered, who should be way more powerful than an 8th rejoined mortal.
this is further accentuated with the defeat of Endsinger, and now the only being to ever really rival us closely is Zenos, another being with inexplicable power far beyond any reasonable limits of his race.
Oh, yeah, that’s probably another thing: Dynamis manipulation is also a factor and something Fandaniel failed to explain to any of the other Ascians, presumably because he figured if Meteion does get through the buttfrick will catch them off guard.
I realize now that’s another thing: Lahabrea and Fandaniel were not actually serving the goals of Zodiark.
I know the method is Dynamis, but it doesn't explain how powerful a Post-Endwalker Warrior of Light is.
we are talking, beyond stronger than any other FF Protag/Party, leaps and bounds stronger, exponentially more powerful than any villain or hero before them.
WoL is now a high-cosmic level entity in a multiverse/setting that, at best, have characters reaching Epic level powers briefly at the end of their journey.
I guess now that the ascians are no longer a decisive part of the plot it's not gonna be relevant but I kinda want them to explain in better detail exactly what kind of inner politics they had. It feels like some of the black masks were only nominally on their side.
Black masks seem like they'd mostly be made up of selfish butthole mages who took the deal of eternal life as a lich so they could keep doing whatever evil bullshit they were doing before they were recruited. And now there are probably hundreds of them on the loose all over each shard. A rogue black mask could make a good starting point for a new villain.
they are so weak compared to even someone like Thancred that they cleaned them up on the first with zero effort.
the Warrior of Light would be an impossible foe for them, hell even Golbez with all that time and effort got walloped and is only lucky that making Zeromus happened anyways.
Tbf having a villain that's trickier rather than more powerful should be an angle that they take in the future to circumvent the issue of WoL being overpowered af. With some luck it could also lead to some of the Scions ACTUALLY being able to bag their own villains as WoL faces the bigger yet less narratively involved monster, rather than having another repeat of Ran'jit.
yea well this universe works on the fact eventually all your plans have to be backed by enough power, and if your against the WoL, it has to be enough to stop the WoL, which is now, functionally impossible.
Zeromus getting summoned will be irrelevant, the Scions will make some protection shit from the Darkness Radiation, and then send for their juggernaut, the Warrior of Light.
Lahabrea was actually serving Athena's goals, not Zodiark's. In post-ARR Elidibus was getting angry at him for endangering the rejoinings with his own little projects, and Elidibus mentions it again in ShB. So Elidibus recruited (You) to rebalance the Source because Lahabrea was prolonging the astral aspect for too long.
Come Heavensward, the Flood of Light has already happened on the First and Elidibus is running around in a panic trying to figure out how to stop it from becoming another Void. He recruits Urianger to figure something out while his emergency plan is that Ardbert will trigger a rejoining by baiting the beastmen into uniting and summoning some kind of super primal together (presumably a light-aspected one). But Urianger pulls out a win and everything is fine. Elidibus takes his eyes off you for a bit until post-SB at which point he realizes you are becoming a huge threat and finally tries to kill you. But he can't manage to do it before you're swept off to the First and he temporarily loses sight of you while he's trying to set up that rejoining.
When you kill Emet-Selch, he realizes how badly he's fricked up. Everyone he cares about is dead. So he pulls out his trump card to finally end you. This involves stoking a renewed faith in the Warrior of Light myth on the First. As a side effect, because he's a Warrior of Light primal, he's infused with the urge to slaughter darkness and goes into battle with (You).
His staff is topped with two relics, both of which are some kind of Ancient artifacts that haven't yet been fully explained. Travanchet retrieved another one from Seal Rock in 1.0 and later used it to form Alexander's heart, which is also why Alexander is so absurdly powerful. The artifacts can draw massive amounts of aether from long distances.
>Bread says Ultima is a sliver of his god's power
>it's actually Athena he's mentioning and not Zodiark
>mfw
>Lahabrea was simping for his wife this whole time.
He fights you in full combat, but he could have snapped your aether into nothing if he wanted.
It's why he set a safeguard for Elidibus, just incase he tried something aether manipulative (like teleporting your ass into the realm between realms)
Sometimes I wish I had a real life Y'shtola or Urianger sitting by my side while playing so they could explain shit to me when I forget something or don't catch a subtext.
I’m just now imagining that scenario play out with Urianger and Y’shtola watching someone play and making commentary. Especially since I don’t remember what but I recall there have been a few things where the WoL learned something that ended up plot relevant later and would have been useful to know but it was such a throw away line from so many expansions ago it would have been easy to have forgotten it.
Nevermind their reaction to the DRK quests.
I dunno, given that the actual betrayals of interests were from two of the red masks I’d say the black masks seemed to have a lot of loyalty for basically glorified cultists.
And while I get they wouldn’t have posed a challenge, I would have loved to have done a duty or two where we just sweep through the black masks like the mooks they had become in contrast to how hard of a fight the first one we fought. I guess there was the “follow elidibus” in ARR patch stuff though.
I mean we swept through OTHER WARRIOR OF LIGHTS in that patch content.
AKA Other Final Fantasy hero's from beyond the rift, black masks for us are beyond just mooks, which is funny as at level 10 or w/e they seem like a world ending threat for us.
Funny part is that when you think about it, everyone who has died throughout the story was essentially watching the whole journey from the Lifestream. We just can't get their commentary, except for Hythlodaeus giving the plot a handy.
>Nevermind their reaction to the DRK quests.
Have you watched Goblin Slayer Abridged? The part where he spills his entire tragic backstory all at once in a casual conversation when nobody was expecting it? I'd imagine their reaction would be something like that. Maybe with Y'shtola getting sopping wet at realizing that WoL has that tragic, brooding hero with a broken heart appeal on top of everything else. Urianger would sympathize. Real interesting reaction would be Krile's though, since there's an actual chance she could accidentally see it from a random echo vision.
>black masks seemed to have a lot of loyalty for basically glorified cultists.
Black Masks probably got a much harsher screening process and just get killed off when any of the bigger shots decide they're not working in the ascian's interests as much as they should.
Black Masks were already just mooks by the time of HW, the SMN quest is literally Y'mhitra baiting a full squad of them into being your dummies for target practice with your newest summon.
I'M A COWBOY
ON A STEEL HORSE I RIDE
I'M WANTED
WANTED
DEAD OR ALIVE!
ROEGRES ROEGRES
CHOMPIN ON LALAS
FILLIN OUR GUTS
WITH OUR STRUGGLIN TREATS
>I am the Emissary... and I will never Die.
Reclears soon Anon
Are YOU READY??????
i watched a vid of p10s and said frick it, seriously frick it.
It's really not bad at all, it's other people that are bad
I gave up on savage clears when it became apparent no one else is interested in doing them blind. Literally the day after they come out and every person who joins my pf either leaves or starts posting videos and explaining strats when I say it's a blind party.
>blind party
>spend 2 hours getting to levinstrike
>people leave due to IRL shit, need to replace them
>so are we letting the replacements go in blind, or are we getting them up to speed?
etc, just say "fresh", thats what you are getting in PF. if you want blind get a static.
I can't bring myself to find another static than my old one, and my old one is missing half the players because they're unsubbed.
welp, guess its over, time to unsub, dead game, shartal shartsy farteen is for tranniers anyway.
No. I still enjoy the game, they're just waiting for the expansion.
Lahabrea is moronic
Gamers?
Status?
>hype up endwalker as the end of the original story
>leave it as the most neglected expansion of the entire series
You look at the msq and tell me that's the best they can do and I'l laugh at you until the cows come home.
You Zodiark until I Trance and I'll Discord until the doompost comes home
>implying
The only time I've felt happiness in EW was fighting Venat and Themis. I'm more of an Amon poster, I just want everyone to die.
scholar has so many long cooldown abilities, this is bonkers. Also is there anyway to tell my fairy to just constantly hug my ass? Really irritating to tell it to do something and its farting around somewhere else.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the rejoining power up any further considering it's not been "a thing" after ShB. So unless we merge with Golbez in the 13th in 6.5 to become stronger than a 1/14th Zodiark Voidsent with Dragon Powers (both things we've killed in some capacity), the power creep is absurd.