Why do most systems tend not to condense Strength and Constitution/Endurance but tend to condense Dexterity and Agility into just Dexterity?

Why do most systems tend not to condense Strength and Constitution/Endurance but tend to condense Dexterity and Agility into just Dexterity?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Grandfathering by D&D. That is it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Shadowrun uses an 8 attribute spread (Plus special attributes but that's not important) which I think is much cleaner.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried not playing D&D?

        Word. Shadowrun may be a mess for various reasons, but it's got a really solid list of attributes and skills. I'm basically lifting Shadowrun's spread straight over to my d100 homebrew.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do what I do and make the kind of game you want.
    Then threads like these aren't needed, because those "MoSt SyStEmS" you're going on about become not your problem, because you're doing what makes sense and is cool for you.
    Understand?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Questions about general trends on RPGs remain relevant and ibteresting regardless of how you do things, anon. OPs question doesn't even seem like a complaint as much as just, you know, a question. Understand?

      Why would body control be different between your whole body and your hands for 99% of the population. You're stupid.

      Fine motor skills and gross motor skills definitely are separate though not unrelated things in real life.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would body control be different between your whole body and your hands for 99% of the population. You're stupid.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just because grandma knits good doesn't mean she can make handstand.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because fine and gross motor control are different functions in the human brain and adrenaline affects them differently. An acrobat is not an artist and the adrenaline surge that gives you the boost to do sick flips makes your handwriting terrible.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's the difference between speed and precision.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's why Agility is a stat and there are various skills that spec off of it that reflect precision.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      clearly observable fact in real life

      there are plenty of people that are fast and explosive but not very balanced and precise

      have you seen usain bolt play football (soccer)? the guy is the fastest human ever but he is also not that coordinated and agile at the same time

      football player mbappe is sort of more on the speed than dexterity side, while some like neymar are definetely more dex than agi

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    GURPS puts strength and constitution together, but makes endurance separate. Dexterity and Intelligence are all under those stats, but those cost double the points.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of my favorite handlings of the dilemma honestly. Both are very important in unique ways.
      A lightning fast skeleton of a man is one crit fail away from being squashed like a bug and a giant hulking moron will struggle to do anything with his might unless he gets lucky (or invests high in the specific skills hes trying to do, which means he can be still viable).
      Its not a decision of fast sword vs big sword where the fast sword often comes with comparable viability plus a truckload of other benefits.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Dark Eye has 4 mental stats (courage, intelligence, intuition, charisma) and 4 physical stats (strength, constitution, dexterity and skillfulness). I think that's a pretty reasonable assortment, especially since you roll on combinations of those to make a check.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I combined Str and Con into Vigor in my system a couple of months ago.
    In 99% of stories and myths, anything that's strongbis also tough. There's perks and flaws to fiddle with the few edge cases.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >In 99% of stories and myths, anything that's strongbis also tough.
      Zyzz would disagree.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zyzz got done in picking a heart disease flaw so he could get the sick c**t perk.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Games are not trying to simulate any real world experience, the designers decisions of what attributes represent are largely arbitrary and only loosely based on what they want to model in game. If for example you want to have a heavy infantry warrior and a light skirmisher warrior you may want to have 2 different attributes to describe them. If you want to have a skirmisher warrior and an artist you may also add more attributes. Or not if the artist is essentially a skirmish warrior with a flute. Or you may decide that artists are rare enough or not part of the main game loop so that they don't deserve such a front-loaded mechanic such as an attribute and delegate their description to a skill or perk.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a very interesting question, that I won't get into because of OPs post and because he probably wants to talk about something else.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What else is there to talk about?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/uhXQXEN.jpg

        Why do most systems tend not to condense Strength and Constitution/Endurance but tend to condense Dexterity and Agility into just Dexterity?

        I am so jealous of Kabru. Why even live if I don't get to shove my dick into this emotionless damaged elf

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thoughts?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Thoughts?
          NO

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most masculine elf.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shadow of the Demon Lord does both, along with their three-tier class system and intrinsic maneuver-type mechanics for melee makes the concept a much more compelling archetype than in D&D.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Buy an add.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hey sloppo, what are the stats on a land vehicle in 5e?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't know but I search-engined it for you.
          Little off topic though don't you think?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only someone with an investment in D&D or a laughably inept post purist would take umbrage with me drawing comparison to the most spammed system on the catalogue.

            also lol

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You are wrong on both accounts. Offtopic shameless shilling of any system should be pointed and laughed at. Only exception if you are shilling your own homebrew or GURPS.

              Also you weren't drawing comparison with anything. OP asked a question that you didn't even attempt to answer you just said
              >Hey this post could be vaguely associated with this system that is great + buzzwords!

              You are on the level of a literal ad-bot, not even a LLM.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I apologize for frying your neurons with my specific choice of words, and wish you speedy recovery.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    My game has many stats
    Killing Intent (Determines both mental and physical power)
    Animism (Determines mental power and defense)
    Meat (Determines physical power and defense)
    Chutzpah (Determines physical and mental defense)
    -
    Slickness (Determines sneakiness and trap setting)
    Thuggery (Determines evasion and trap setting)
    Self-Preservation (Determines sneakiness and evasion)

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    qt elf

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Genesys condenses both. The FFG Warhammer games condensed neither. Take your pick.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because you can be hardy but not strong, while conversely it is extremely unlikely if not impossible that if you are fast you aren't also nimble.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pointless question
    >lust-provoking image

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Captain is not for sexual, you degenerate!
      Justified exception for Kabru, as long as he's gentle about it!

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The game I'm making uses the following stats:

    STRENGTH: strength, explosiveness, constitution

    AGILITY: agility, dexterity and stamina

    INSTINCT: senses, reflexes and nature

    INTELLIGENCE: adaptative int, logical int and memory

    GIFT: spirit, charisma and appearance

    EGO: drive, willpower and grit

    You can inscrease/decrease substats in character creation too if you want to make a more customized character, like an ugly bard or a driveless wandering knight. I think it's a pretty good list but I'm obviously biased.

    What are Shadowrun stats?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Body: Constitution, basically.
      Agility: Precision and grace
      Reaction: Speed
      Strength:...Strength
      Willpower: Willpower and general resistance to mind-altering effects
      Logic: Logical thought, dealing with known factors
      Intuition:Instinct and dealing with unknown factors.
      Charisma: Charm and persuesiveness.

      Edge:Luck.
      Essence:Magic and not loosing your soul to cyberware.
      Initiative: Shadowrun has weird initiative.
      Magic/Resonance: Magical power.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have only one stat called Stat. It combines strength, constitution, size, speed, intelligence, perception, agility, dexterity, willpower, faith, mana, luck, ki, charisma, appearance and empathy all in one.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So if raising intelligence also increases strength, then someone can actually work out in the library in your game?

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i think the simple reason is that dex purists dont want to also have to increase strength to increase their characters durability

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because being truly strong is actively counterintuitive to Con / End. IRL, you need more food just to maintain your body, you lose Dex, and other health complications like not being able to get restful sleep. The strongest men are not healthy people. It happens as well with Dex, but only the absolute peaks of it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      For that matter, so is Int. I remember reading that chess champions can burn up to 6,000 or more calories a day just because of how much they think.

      This also implies if you're fat, you're dumb.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >6000 calories
        >About two large pizzas in calories
        That sounds like complete bullshit

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Find me a pizza with only 6kcal and I've got a bridge to sell you.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Find me a pizza with only 6kcal and I've got a bridge to sell you.

          le verbal conflation of kilocalorie calorie has arrived xd

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Chess players burn a lot of calories during big chess tournaments - not in general, just during tournaments - because these tournaments are very stressful events where chess players' bodies are all primed up to give their best performance, similarly to any other competitive high-pressure situation. It has nothing to do with high IQ meaning highly active metabolism. From what I remember, there isn't even much evidence about IQ and chess performance being strongly correlated, despite this being a matter that has received some study.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is absolutely not how brains work.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mithrun my beloved... so pretty... I would die for you my captain...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I could of sworn it was Misurn, not Mithrun. And they changed Thorden to Touden or something

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You guys know agility doesn't mean speed right.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    sex with mithrun

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hand holding with Mithrun.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stats just get converged so there are exactly 6 stats because muh d6.

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