Why do old games have much, MUCH better soundtracks than modern games?
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Why do old games have much, MUCH better soundtracks than modern games?
Why do old games have much, MUCH better soundtracks than modern games?
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Because you disregard the good modern games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTH5XThewtU
>Initial release date: July 26, 2007
anon
Anon that's the 2021 sequel
Mitsuha is a qt3.14
I read somewhere that composers focused more on melodies that would translate well to beep boop midi sounds
Pretty much this
You couldn't just hire any simpleton to slap some orchestra and choirs screaming their heads off to compose your soundtrack. You had 4-6 digital channels to work with and you made sure to use them. Just another case of hardware limitations leading to creativity.
Other trick is they mostly made melodies where the main tune of the song was paced like a vocal track rather than an instrumental backing track. Even without any words actually on there that helps it stick in your mind.
I prefer doom eternals soundtrack to older doom
We know broccoli hair
>fart fart guitar shriek fart fart
Old games were also harder so if you were going to replay the same level for hours the soundtrack better be a banger
The argument I've heard is that, since games nowadays can do more in terms of visuals to make the experience more immersive, they just do ambient soundtracks to complement those visuals instead of bothering with complex, iconic melodies. Older games couldnt do much in terms of visuals and the devs knew this, so they went all in with the music because thats what would set 99% of the athmosphere.
Of course, this argument goes completely down the drain when you remember silent hill 2 had an ambient soundtrack and it is miles better than any "ambient ost" that came in the last 10 years.
>Enters the room
>FOTM
yawn
>le epic opera men singing
I don't know if I would say they have better sound tracks in general...but for whatever reason the limitations gave some older sound tracks more charm.
Speaking of limitations...
Castlevania 3 NES OST > Castlevania 3 FAMICOM OST
I cant be alone on this...
Honestly I won't know the difference without listening to them first. Should I? Is it worth it?
Sure, why not. The tl;dl is that the famicom had an extra chip that allowed for more quality in its music or something. But I prefer the limited soundtrack of the NES, feels more iconic, and this is from someone who played the game for the first time last month, so no nostalgia bias.
Interesting, I'll check them out because I'm a music autist and I know Castlevania always has good music. Thanks, based anon.
The japanese version sounds a lot better because the cart had an added soundchip
Oh and also someone merged the two soundtracks together, sounds amazing
Damn, the famicon version slaps real nice.
This is fricking awesome
Heh
>be me, watch d4 streamer cause i won't play that shit and he's a nice guy
>hear one cool song in the entire stream
>i'll get it someday, d2 had 4 good songs or w/e
>open YouTub*, type d4 themes
>20 shit themes per area
That music is sooooo bad and i'll have to look for that song a third time...frick
Different audience, have you listened to the mainstream music of today? Its unlistenable
the old games that are still talked about are good games or did something notable.
the old game you dont hear about have dogshit soundtracks.
if you are playing random modern games, the quality of them isnt known, solidified in histry yet. But you are compared it to the gems of the past. its an unfair comparison.
Nah, new shit is fricking shit
Movies scores have gone to shit as well, now the best we can hope for is Hack Zimmer to make a soundtrack of deep notes resonating endlessly for the masses to fawn over.
The fricker made a single good soundtrack, The Road to El Dorado, and everything else has been shit.
>Movies scores have gone to shit as well, now the best we can hope for is Hack Zimmer to make a soundtrack of deep notes resonating endlessly for the masses to fawn over.
lol
Sounds like a shitty remake of the spiderman theme music
How do these two sound anything alike
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I hope you don't call yourself a sentient human being and can't recognize the glaring similarities between each chorus.
It's not even in the same tempo or key?
>It's not even in the same tempo or key?
Honest question, are you actually a human being?
Is someone there typing the captcha for you? Are they being held under duress. Do I need to contact the authorities?
I'm sorry that you can't distinguish between 160 BPM and 120 BPM?
I'm sorry your robot man claws make it hard for you to type replies.
Please remember to put your charger in tonight tin man, I'll be thinking of you.
>has no idea what he's talking about so resorts to weird insults
Classic.
Btw it's as easy as snapping your fingers to the music and noticing you'll snap significantly faster while listening to one compared to the other.
>Play Fur Elise in a different signature and slightly faster
>"OMG IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SONG
Anymore ways to tell everyone you're moronic?
I miss synth soundtracks in movies.
Modern good games dont even have memorable soundtracks. The ost in DS1 was nice, but everything that came after by fromsoftware was mostly generic "wowsoepic" orchestras
when does modern start?
Elder Scroll might be boring games, but their music is memorable
Lost Odyssey
Dark Souls (elden ring is forgettable, only the Elden Beast is ok)
Dragons Dogma
Witcher 3
Undertale
every Halo game excluding Infinite, altho people like the postrock menu music.
Kingdomcome Deliverance
Ruiner (if you like some Witchhouse)
Tunic
Nier Automata
plenty of good ones once they are separated from the chaff
>Undertale
i didnt even play it, saw a letsplay and the music stuck. they did a good job with it.
what triggers you about it?
Undertale is a game you're not allowed like
If Undertale music seemed special to you you obviously haven't listened to any game soundtrack from the 80s or 90s, its extremely good for modern standards but it would have been just good in the 90s for example.
its likely because i enjoy sega genesis Sonic games, gameboy Zelda games, and Wario World games that i liked Undertale's music
a similar heart. a sound i understand taken forward.
Obviously anyone has sounds they prefer, i'm sure some people can actually find entertainment in listening to the most generic of ambient music, i'd imagine because they haven't heard anything else in their lives or just found any other actual genre of music "distracting" or whatever the frick
Is this an out of season April's Fools joke?
>i'd imagine because they haven't heard anything else in their lives or just found any other actual genre of music "distracting" or whatever the frick
im not exactly sure what your point is. you want to create a divide somewhere for you to stand? somewhere to throw rocks from for reasons?
here have some music
music i like
game
https://youtu.be/7_iNgUJCZXk?t=399
https://youtu.be/syIQMFx2yI0
https://youtu.be/FHVke7dj0HI
https://youtu.be/4byM9STX3uk
https://youtu.be/SaCkn9l3Rg4
https://youtu.be/NknjE2SBPxw
>music i like
>Posts the most disgusting shit I've heard all day
Fricking kek
Do you people really have ZERO self awareness?
How do you exist?
you dont have an ear for it.
its beyond you.
My point is that the modern audience ruined game soundtracks with their shit taste, they never experienced the peak of music or movie music (the 70s or 80s), they didn't experience the peak of game music (the 90s), they listen to this shit instead because that's what its marketed to them or its what they play
PonPon Shit is a fun song
you are stuck in Nostalgia.
you will be an old frick annoyed that you cant adapt to the times.
The peak is always moving forward as styles evolve, mix, and new ones are created. What was will always exist. But there is constantly new better music being created all the time if you look for it.
if you are stuck in the past, with what fell on your lap as a child, and lack the curiosity to branch out, get yourself a rocking chair.
>cant adapt to the times.
Music has been "perfected" long before you were born, now you zoomers are stuck in the era of liking music "ironically", sad really
a zoomer typed this
I'm a millennial, i at least had the time to educate myself while zoomers obviously didn't, that's why they are stuck to listening and playing trash
If you liked that you might as well check out any retro mecha anime intro
Perfected in the sense that every sound and every combination of sound that is acceptable to human ears has already been tried
>l, i at least had the time to educate myself while zoomers obviously didn't
if you are the same person who was responding to me the whole time, you already know im not a zoomer. but you are stuck hating things you have no good reason to hate to justify a stale world view.
Let me guess, you think music was "perfected" in the last century right? The fact that you think an artform can even be perfected shows your lack of understanding it
Can you actually not escape this new / old dichotomy in any of your arguments?
DAE think that old good new bad?
edit:thanks for the updoot kind stranger
Literally r*ddit, go back
>Music has been "perfected"
back in 1900 they said everything had been invented
All the songs are a different version of once upon a time.
--->
im in my 30s, why do you fear the zoomer?
>modern videogame soundtrack
>"dude it HAS to be thematic, the horror section better have a bunch of spooky low-tone background noises bro"
>"our studio blew our budget on hiring an orchestra to record our song, it will be used as background music lol"
>old videogame soundtrack
>"we just let this guy go ham on the music sequencer"
I think the best difference to explain this with is between System Shock 1 and the System Shock remake. Most of the remake's sounds pretty much faded into the background and barely distinguishable from each other and were not memorable at all, whereas each of SS1's songs has an identity to it.
SS1:
(Medical)
(Executive)
(Security)
SSR:
(Medical - Explore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmTuEJFnYNg (Medical - Combat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN8E_6jw6As (Executive - Explore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ3r6XXpbg0 (Executive - Combat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=888xjB5wTgk (Security - Explore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YQWz2Kn_v8 (Security - Combat)
You should listen to armored core ost, psx and PS2 era
Because they were trying to impress people with their soundtracks. Now it's just functional and the target audience is the type that eats anything you throw at them. Basically they aren't looking for a musician that some people love. They prefer the one that no one dislikes.
Criminally underrated soundtrack for what was basically an AfterBurner ripoff.
https://youtu.be/SFw_48vv5NQ
https://youtu.be/iiNyQD5Yq3E
https://youtu.be/9vZUbyM5PxY
https://youtu.be/l_rbFhbcbT8
I mute every modern game I play
The only thing I can think of is maybe the souls series, but that's it from the past 10 years.
It's over and it's never going to be good again.
Frick me, all these responses and not one with the real answer.
Back in the days before voice acting was in most games your soundtrack is what set the tone for the entire experience.
Without a good soundtrack while playing RPGs you were just reading text in a box.
Lets take final fantasy 9 for example, music in that game is an absolute gem, but hot fricking damn the track that plays when you fight beatrix for the first time .
It completely sells the fact that she outclasses you by an order of magnitude.
Soundtracks sold you on the story in those days, good soundtracks could prop up even fully garbage stories.
>Frick me, all these responses and not one with the real answer.
>Gives a shit answer that doesn't explain games from 2000 in to 2010
Trying being smart another other day, I'm sure you'll get it then.
do you think, the talented composers for games just up and fricking died, it was a gradual decline as developers stopped thinking of soundtracks as the tone for their games and instead as background.
>do you think, the talented composers for games just up and fricking died,
In the span of 30 fricking years, yes.
To be fair Unemoto died like a decade and a half ago
Trust me, back then it didn't matter if a game was bad, okay, or good, it probably had a soundtrack that had at the very least a couple of tracks that someone might actually like and listen outside the game, in these days the supposed "good games" according to journalists and midwits don't have a single track in their OSTs that is worth listening.
Voice acting killed soundtracks in a sense but generally its just games becoming longer that hampered OSTs, only some JRPGs like the Cold Steel series are an exception
>all the way to PS2
By the PS1 times gaming OSTs were already getting worse, interestingly its also the times when arcades were dying
Also if you want real proof of how much game music got worse compare Street of Rage 2 to SoR 4 OSTs, yes the lead composer was western but there were still some tracks composed by Koshiro and other japanese artists.
I know things were declining up to that point, but to put it another way PS1 & 2 were like Cell and Buu sagas, whereas everything after was GT and Super.
And adding to that, modern JRPGs all suffer from a "violin sickness" but i would be okay with violins if they were accompanied by something like
But that's exactly what we were talking about, why modern games have such shitty soundtracks and why so many of them use ambient shit as a cover
That's not elevator music because elevator music might actually be catchy, ambient music is only great at disengaging the player and making it forget the music is even there
The japanese composers of today are mostly a joke too, not because of their lack of talent but because of who they have to pander to, not people that like videogames but midwits that like movies and TV series, do you really want to compare the modern Zelda soundtracks (if they even have one) to Ocarina of Time? The modern Deus Ex movie-like OSTs to the OG Deus Ex? All that avalanche of generic western slop compared to the themes of classic arcade games from the 90s?
I see, you are moronic.
Tell me what you think of this
I played 40 hours and didn't even notice it had music.
That's what I think of it.
Yep, you're a moron
Its one hour long, just by a quick listen i can tell it would probably fit the game pretty well and compared to other western space games OST its very good too, will anyone remember it in a decade? I'd imagine not.
So impossibly generic it actually puts me to sleep, this could be a white noise box.
This is mostly only true for westoid games aside from indie, I think. Japan's stuff has mostly stayed the same and gotten better in some cases. I was listening to Star Ocean 6's music yesterday and even though 2, 3, 4, and 5, all have great music, 6's is just perfect from beginning to finish. Anyways check out [DOLL PLAY (Kurosu Gatari)] and stuff by [Nakayohi Mogudan (Mogudan)].
Music used to be better back in the day
Its harder to push a games soundtrack for sales.
If you want a modern game with a good soundtrack play Potionomics. I was pleasently surprised at how good it was.
When you think about it, it's pretty nuts that those old gods of nip vidya had that insane output from PC-88 or whatever all the way to PS2 where it was just banger OST after banger OST.
>me listening to Sonic Frontiers' soundtrack
ENTER
You know zoomers are so thirsty for good soundtracks when pic related is considered one of the best soundtracks of all time by them (LOL)
Undertale is THE soundtrack
Nothing can compare to this masterpiece
it's the same with all other forms of media like music and movies, nobody remembers the boring stuff, only the good and the outrageously bad
Name a single good movie released in the past 5 years
>psychological drama
I can already tell you it's fricking dog shit
I should actually give this a watch
Can't believe Brendon Fraser went from The Mummy and George of the Jungle to what he is now.
I AM WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAALEEEEEING
Pure nostalgia goggles. There's no way you play any variety of modern games and can say this with confidence
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I'm not saying there was nothing good in the past but there was certainly an equal amount of shit and good content as there is today.
The difference with modern games and music is that there's far greater room for error given that there is a much greater diversity of scenarios the player can find themselves in. Add to that the fact that music is far less restricted so there needs to be more consideration put into the music for it to be good.
I am still angry about Let it Die
Frick off zoomer, that sounds like the average movie/ambient track or some screamo music for teenagers, its filler music at best as you would expect from western composers, they have the talent to drag music out for 10 minutes but not to make a single note matter.
You're just jaded buddy. I can also tell based on your response that you only listened to the first two links. I genuinely covered plenty of game genres and moods.
Two of the composers I put there were Japanese so it's got nothing to do with Western vs. Jap
Videogame music has far more to do with context and dynamic elements than linear composition does so posting them in isolation outside of the game doesn't do them much justice.
Most of the responses in the thread are an appeal trying to sound cool based purely on "old thing good" and "everything new bad" which is a painfully childish take. For comparison I'd be curious to know if you have any songs from 2015 onwards that you consider good. Also what do you consider to be a great old song?
Most of those sound incredibly generic.
GATOR PANIC sounds like something a random Indian dude made on pirated software for a YouTube Shorts cash cow video about the Indian National Army or whatever.
"Tango Line" had a character all its own.
You just don't listen to the good ones.
>2.5 hours of elevator music
What do the bad elevators sound like?
Let me guess you listen exclusively to the Sonic 06 soundtrack?
Pic related is the only """modern""" game that had a soundtrack that kind of felt like those glorious iconic NES melodies. Too bad the game is mediocre.
that game is almost 20 years old
one of my favorites
>why old better
Because everyone forgets the old unremarkable things and only the cream remains
I'm trying my hardest to remember a legitimately good soundtrack from the past 5 years.
Does the entirety of the soundtrack have to be good? Do you not have any artists you like where there's just a few good songs on the album but the rest you don't care about?
Splatoon 3
Neon White
Vampire Survivors
The Ascent
Hades
Ff14 shadowbringers
It's like people who say 80s anime was better then only post OVAs as examples.
80's anime was better
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Anime soundtracks were also a million times better back then
For me it's Papermoon
Modern anime is the biggest piece of shit in existence
None of Makoto Shitkai's movies are good, they just look pretty thats it
5 cm/s, place promised in our early days, and your name are good
>5 cm/s
ONE MORE TIME
ONE MORE CHANCE
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Imagine growing older and being fundamentally unable to enjoy things and identify quality because it doesn't align exactly with that you remember growing up
Absolute brainlets I swear to god
I'm 22
Yeah so basically a child who's desperate to act like he's mature by spouting lines like "new thing sucks" and "kids these days"
It's painfully apparent those who speak in ultimatums about the quality of music across generations have little life experience and absolutely were not there to experience it first hand.
Do you have even the slightest idea of the tidal wave of dogshit soundtracks that came out of those generations? All the examples being posted in this thread of old soundtracks being good are the absolute diamonds that came from those generations
I didnt read past "mature". Youre legitimately autistic screeching at a zoomer for the crime of prefering older tunes. Think about that.
fricking burned
>no u
Like he said, you're a child
>All the examples being posted in this thread of old soundtracks being good are the absolute diamonds that came from those generations
The difference is that there were countless diamonds while today soundtracks are nearly all shite, not only that but the few diamonds are so buried by the mountain of shit that they only appear in indie/small budget titles, big budget titles are pretty much guaranteed to have a soundtrack that literally no one will ever give a shit about in a couple of years
>modern Ys composers
Worthless
OP reminds me of boomers who think electronic music isn't real music
NOOOOOOOOOO MY CHILDHOOD GOOD, YOUR CHILDHOOD BAD. ME ME ME ME ME
Imagine having shit taste.
Oh wait!
So many memorable tracks, like the first time you drop from the tutorial island or that tone when you drop to the depths.
What all modern mainstream/western videogame OSTs sound like:
or
or
What random hentai visual novel OSTs sound like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqUl0CHKoPk
why do shinkai's movies have such amzing soundtracks?
Because he wastes all his hack money on the soundtrack and animation while the story and characters are dogshit.
Some gachas have top tier music like Granblue Fantasy or Punishing: Gray Raven if you consider them as games.
Mitsuo Singa > le oldshit jap game musicians
Premium song, absolutely kino.
One of a kind, absolutely one of a kind.
>old games
>technical limitation
>focus on writing music
>new games
>unlimited music production works
>focus on producing music
This. close the the thread
>Ganker music thread
At least it's better than Ganker
>old
>beep, be-be-be-beeeep, beep beep
>new
>homie, drugs, homie, homie yo yo yo
You are not unique for disliking rap music. This conversation has been going on for decades now.
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Second is unironically better
man, what the frick happened to blacks in the last 60 years?
The same thing that happened to chinese 1000 years ago NOTHING
The CIA
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homie I'm fricking losing sleep listening to this on repeat
Jesus frick, the cheeks on that man
Just Cause 1 had an amazing soundtrack. The rest of the series feels way too generic
I'm not scrolling up to find whoever posted this, but thanks. This is great.
mitsuha sexo
video games were a new, uncharted territory. People wanted to make exciting stuff.
Now it has become stale somewhat
Anyone else love being le heckin jaded?
How many decades did it take to have an OST that was comparable but still inferior to the TNMT games on Mega Drive and SNES? The only indie title that had an OST that was so good it surpasses nearly all retro game OSTs was Sonic Mania, sure its mostly an arrangement of old tracks but even some of the new tracks were excellent
Every music genre that isn't pure garbage has already been invented and perfected, notice how every new music genre post 2000s has been irreedemable doo doo. Videogames aren't that different either, what are the most recent new gaming genres? Battle Royale? Gacha? Walking simulators on an empty fiel- oh wait those already existed a long time ago.
AI sexo
so much hate
Games want to be treated like blockbuster movies nowadays so every game has their own John Williams ripoff doing generic classical ambient music. Ironic that in trying to become more "artistic", gaming has lost what artistic merit it once had.
Thankfully there's still some great game OSTs. Persona 5 has a great OST and so does every Persona/Megaten game. DMC, etc too.
Whatever gay
God I wish I was a girl
FRICK YOU SHINKAI
>different musical philosophies
>relativly nascent industry
>more willingness to experiment
Take your pick. Good vidya music is still made. You just have to explore a bit. But I suppose you knew that already and just want us to post vg music.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BVrTBbEtQJs
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fbmJHudefOU
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U3FKZzvzgnE
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZPlw8nZ5BEU
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TZcHB1CYp38
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ueonke06b3s