Why do Paladin characters seem so much more zealous in their faith than Cleric characters? Clerics usually come across as being very calm and not very fanatical about their religion, while Paladins tend to be very intense about the whole thing with a very crusade-like "deus vult"-esque fervor. Why is this? Why do they attract such different characters and players?
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Because knights and smiting
Because paladins are martials so basically
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Don't worry, your cute Christian GF angels exist in the Bible too, they aren't all Thrones
Dominions rocking that cloth wrapping their dick like a burrito.
What do you think they claim dominion over?
No they don't
>Seraphim
>just an eye and some wings
What kind of jank translation did you read?
Angelology is all jank. Mystical drug tripping, nothing biblical about it.
Seraphim are one of the few angels that do actually appear in the bible though. They're just dudes with 6 wings though.
Yes, I hate how everyone acts like Pestilence is two separate Horsemen and forget all about Conquest.
Also, there isn't nearly as much "swords coming out of mouth" as there should be.
What if I told you that the actual seraphim are winged serpents and not angels?
I thought Lucifer was an Archangel, not a Seraphim
Lucifer was not a serpent
What if I told you that humans are worms and topographically are donuts? Winged serpents would be closer to our humanoid mathematical form.
Seraphim and Thrones are Drones.
Alien Drones.
You know those gyrospheres that are a bunch of rings within rings that stabilize themselves? That's what a Throne is. But if could fly. The "eyes" are just camera lenses. Seraphim was just a different, more angular drone. Seven "wings" are seven rotors, or possibly advanced ornithopter wings that could sustain flight. The rest were either lifted humans conscripted and decked out in armor and equipment like "burning swords" as laser weapons and "wings" as the same ornithoptery propulsion. That, or the aliens were suitably human enough to be recognizeable. Cherubim could have just been ceremonial garb with different animal heads on it as a "look, we wear dead things just like you monkey creatures do"
Get ye woketh.
Your argument really falls apart with the cherubim
Or does it?
Second post biblically correct post.
Because most player's experience of priests is the quiet calm christian priest or vicar, so play their cleric characters like that as well.
Also, Paladins tend to be mostly a Fighter with a few extra minor powers, so interect with enemies of the faith by mostly fighting. Clerics on the other hand have more options, Hold person, charming spells, lots of healing, etc, so dont always have to confront everything by fighting. It's like asking why rogues are more sneaky than Fighters.
this
broadly, clerics are priest themed and paladins are knight themed
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because most people playing vleric wants to be a wizard with armour
It should be saying:
>reddit angels
>biblical angels
Biblical angels don't have the wings or halo when they appear in human form.
Halo isn't a real thing, it's a symbolic representation of the Lord's light.
Exactly.
>never read the bible
>thinks jesus was black or something
>generally hates religion
>overhears someone else saying angles in the bible said "do not be afraid"
>two verses depicting trippy visions talk about wheels and lots of wings
>"GUYS ALL ANGELS ARE ACTUALLY LOVECRAFT MONSTERS!!!! IT'S BIBLICALLY ACCURATE!!!!"
I imagine if you act this dumb in front of evangelicals they wont' even want to convert you.
>assblasted by memes
kek
What I don't get is why are people acting like this is in anyway a recent observation. Abstract/monstrous/ufo angels has been a thing for literal decades.
I think the reason why people get annoyed by this new take on it is that the crayon eating redditors that proliferate this current meme, live on r/atheism and are arguing with their dad that the angels in the bible (which they don't believe in) looked like massive eyeballs with wings, and not like whatever is painted on Chapple walls and in stained glass windows.
I mean, there are wheel angels on the walls of Orthodox churches. And many-winged angels with animal heads. And dog-headed saints. Orthodoxy wasn't sanitised like Catholicism.
Well the Ortho community here in the new world is very very small. here in the US it's mostly Protestant, and then Catholic (mostly because of hispanics), hell I think there are probably more Buddhists in this country than Orthodox.
Because the pop culture depictions, and especially those presented alongside holidays and other religious advertisement (which is most people's main relation to these things), are typically just guys and gals with a couple of wings. Not even 6 wings like the Seraphim. Like, if you google image search "angel" not many results are going to look like the biblical descriptions of Opanhim, Cherubim, or Seraphim. Ones that do match those descriptions will probably be on an article talking about how the bible actually describes those things, or an art page about it or something. The modern preconception of "dude with wings" is massively more popular, because it's easy to market. Hell, even a lot of the more famous Byzantine and Orthodox works are wrong. People don't often really represent the descriptions one-for-one.
Something not being new doesn't mean the information is going to be widely known. And just because other people knew about it first doesn't mean people now finding out about it should be any less interested. It's why we have schools, no knowledge is really innate. So it's just new information to most people, and it's more interesting to them, and it also speaks to some deeper trends in the Church hewing to what gets people in the door rather than what their book actually says, and people that lean on the Bible as justification doing some cherry picking. All just fairly logical steps. Plus, they're fun designs. It's fun to make jokes about them too.
>They hated him because he spoke the truth
Yes, that's what fools always tell themselves.
>don't know what you're talking about
>get upset anyway
>point out the reality of the bible
>UR A troony BLM ATHEIST
You homosexuals constantly out yourselves as insincere reactionaries
>I imagine if you act this dumb in front of evangelicals they wont' even want to convert you.
You make that sound like a bad thing
The Paladins (or Twelve Peers) are twelve fictional knights of legend, the foremost members of Charlemagne's court in the 8th century. They first appear in the medieval (12th century) chanson de geste cycle of the Matter of France, where they play a similar role to the Knights of the Round Table in Arthurian romance.[1] In these romantic portrayals, the chivalric paladins represent Christianity against a Saracen (Muslim) invasion of Europe.
Because Paladin is, by default, a warrior of his faith
>Because Paladin is, by default, a warrior of his faith
No, that's Clerics, which is why they can wear heavy armor and have weapon training in their god's favoured weapon. Paladins are more goodly wandering knights than crusaders.
If angels that appear in soecific visions are what angels always look like, does that mean the book of revelations is also literal?
Nothing in the Bible is presented as metaphorical.
i mean.... makes perfect sense to me. a cleric seems like a benidictine monk in a monistary somewhere dedicated to quite contemplation and prayer, while paladins seem to be more crusader types and warrior who take up religious oaths of war specifically.
It seems completely obvious to men, how is this befuddling to you?
Because they're the military arm of the church, where as Clerics are clergyman.
>angels
>christian
Nerds vs Jocks
Paladins are defined by oaths and zeal. In 5e it's literal as the oaths are where their power comes from. The oldest editions had Paladins as questing knights, ala king Arthur and his round table. 3rd had them so devoted to the very idea of a far corner of the alignment chart that they got power from it, and that far from center is going to have a lot of zealots.
Clerics, meanwhile, are people who know a lot about a god and deeply agree with them. Most of the gods aren't that zealous, so most clerics aren't either.
>Most of the gods aren't that zealous, so most clerics aren't either.
Why wouldn't the gods be zealous?
In a lot of settings, paladins have stricter codes they must abide by than clerics. I don't really understand why when they could just follow the same rules as clerics, but it often shapes their character hence why paladins would be bigger hardasses.
Because they aren't priests. Priests and knights aren't the same thing and don't follow the same rules.
yeah, but usually priests have much stricter rules