Cringe people hate it for Moe and the circus theme
People with any sense hate it for the waste of the circus theme and the stupid fricking murder method which was quite boring in retrospect.
In a series where you have already interrogated a parrot you think the case would be more wacky and fun but it just ends on a downer
Yeah for me it's always been murder method that makes me hate this case. They didn't even try. Didn't even think of them wasting the circus theme but you're right.
Found Moe to be annoying, but he wasn't the sole reason it was awful. Moe does feel like a character that showrunners add three seasons into a show to boost ratings while dialoguing with the rest of the AA cast.
Yeah for me it's always been murder method that makes me hate this case. They didn't even try. Didn't even think of them wasting the circus theme but you're right.
Found Moe to be annoying, but he wasn't the sole reason it was awful. Moe does feel like a character that showrunners add three seasons into a show to boost ratings while dialoguing with the rest of the AA cast.
the murder method and the murderer made so little sense that i couldn't believe it was real and expected a cool last minute twist towards the end. then the next case started...
oh well, at least it's sandwiched in between 2 of the best cases in the series
Because Regina is 16. If they changed her age to 20, but kept literally everything the exact same, not as many people would care. I'm surprised they didn't considering how they localized the frick out of these games.
>If they changed her age to 20, but kept literally everything the exact same, not as many people would care
If she were 20 but exactly the same she'd come off as literally moronic. Though she still kinda does as is
To expand upon that,the first two cases sucked. While I did indeed like the third case, I just wanted to get to the last one. That's the real good shit.
I liked it, but there's some dumb shit regarding the motivation and method. The biggest thing for me is why didn't they just swap Aero and Moe's rooms? Aero's been in a wheelchair for 6 months, yet he's still in his third floor room?
I can't say for certain, but I think JFA is the worst offender for making the player rely of guesswork The end of this case being a prime example. You're somehow supposed to know that Acro has the weapon under the blanket covering his legs despite the fact that you have never seen the lower part of Acro's sprite before and have no idea that he's even wearing a blanket over his legs.
>3rd case syndrome
how is it that in the entire series, only the first game used the third case to actually develop the characters and setting instead of padding meant to be written off?
3-3 wasn't padding, it's the setup for how Phoenix corners the culprit in 3-5.
AAI2's Case 3 is full on character development, and GAA1 and GAA2 both have their plots kick off on the third case too (although GAA1 follows it up with a filler-ish case).
Honestly it felt like padding in the first game as well, the only real development was at the very end with Edgeworth. It's just that being the first game we hadn't had the chance to have a normal ace attorney case yet so 1-3 felt important to establish a status quo.
3-3 wasn't padding, it's the setup for how Phoenix corners the culprit in 3-5.
AAI2's Case 3 is full on character development, and GAA1 and GAA2 both have their plots kick off on the third case too (although GAA1 follows it up with a filler-ish case).
Spirit of Justice also made its 3rd case important story stuff. It's showbiz filler case was actually the 2nd one and manages to get good anyway.
Okay the murder method is really dumb but I enjoy the characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Like everything else about GAA, the second game somewhat redeems it. But by itself G1-4 is incredibly drawn out. You basically figure out how it happened [and how moronic that is] at the halfway point of the trial. You then spend the next hour or two just going through endless contrived bullshit to prove that Roly is a moron, the fat woman is a moron, and that your horrible inkling was actually right and this was all just coincidence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you also had to fricking go through an entire summation examination, like 30 minutes of dialogue
just to get the jurors to admit that they'd open a fricking window during a fire
2 years ago
Anonymous
You two talking about the same case? There is no murder in Chapter 4.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Accidental attempted manslaughter. It was just easier to type out murder.
you mostly just have several controversial characters in one case along with theming being underused and the rather awkward guesswork the game in general forces on the player.
there isn't any one thing that makes it a bad case, its all the smaller things in it that really add up to a bigger mess then something like 2-1 which is just a really bad tutorial case with a side of "Police are extra stupid today" that you see in some other cases.
>I love the ringmaster, he's like a fatger to me >im gonna kill his daughter because the stupid b***h caused my idiot brother's head to get bitten off by accident and she didnt even say sorry
small surprise, especially since the case is so goddamn BORING
that's the worst of it-you're not finding new things, exploring new scenes or anything. you're running around aimlessly because the story demands it
to this day I'm still convinced, or headcanoning, that he's not crying because he murdered Mr Berry, he's crying because he got caught and didn't get his revenge, if he truly cared about the guy then he wouldn't have tried to kill her daughter.
>defendant is actually guilty >the consequences and moral quandaries of doing your job and getting a murderer off the hook
honestly this guy and megundal are some of the most memorable characters for a reason.
>defendant is actually guilty >the consequences and moral quandaries of doing your job and getting a murderer off the hook
honestly this guy and megundal are some of the most memorable characters for a reason.
Yes. I actually don't like most of them. Justine Courtney in particular bothers me for being too on the nose for a main character (not that AA doesn't have on-the-nose puns in general, but the main characters usually get better or more subtle names).
that means its a good twist, you can see it coming if you know what your looking for, a bad twist would make the killer someone like Oldbag with no narrative build up.
>Oh okay I got my defendant off the hook >… >BUT I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE WHOLE TRUTH
b***h shut the frick up and the nipponese scum does this like two more times
>Not Guilty: Matt doesn't go to prison, but has to deal with de Killer, who kills people for a living, is very good at it, and is furious at Matt for backstabbing him (and Matt knows this, which is why he confesses anyway) >Guilty: Matt goes to prison, where he might possibly be safe from de Killer, and Maya is safe because de Killer terminated his contract with Matt
The dummy was a fricking c**t. The fact that the court would burst into that fricking chant every time you tried to established the fricking obvious, that the person wearing the defendant's clothes wasn't necessarily the defendant was the most obnoxious shit.
Having said that. It is the most underrated case in the series just because of how great the final act is. >as wright you accuse, of all people, the wheelchair-bound guy who is so good-natured he literally has fricking birds befriending him >everyone thinks your nuts >bit by bit you prove them all wrong
This is one of the few time in the entire series that the game wrote itself on the assumption that you had figured the case out on your own already. >game asks you if you have evidence showing why acro killed the victim, you have "no I don't" as an option, because you figured out that the victim wasn't the intended target >game asks you to point on the map where acro was when he killed the victim, the correct answer basically assumed you figured out what he did already >even the extra stuff, like how his brother died and where the murder weapon is ends up being worked well Having said that, his motive was kind of moronic
Nobody recognizing the calling card of a high profile assassin until halfway through the case is a lot of why I don't like 2-4. I love DeKiller in I2, but I also hate that Edgeworth doesn't recognize him at all. I know he never saw his face, but he's the one that pointed out the symbol in the first place.
>Nobody recognizing the calling card of a high profile assassin until halfway through the case is a lot of why I don't like 2-4
De Killer's not high profile to the general public. Edgeworth says that the De Killer information is all top secret, so it's only notable to a select few investigators and criminals looking to hire a hitjob.
>AAI2 had some awful cases
That's the first time I've heard someone say that. I2-2 is my least favorite case of the two Investigations games, but that's the only one I'd really say is awful.
Which other ones didn't you like? I didn't like I2-3 at first because I'm pretty sure it's the longest case in the series, but it grew on me after beating the game and now it's one of my favorites.
Storywise I think they are great. It pulls off the “you are not bound by your father’s legacy” theme and manages to create an overarching plot between cases without it being forced
However the actual investigation and the shit you have to pull can be aggrevating nobody in the city noticed a giant balloon crashing the president? The coroner couldn’t tell he was dumped in a freezer? Are you fricking kidding me?
Then again the same case had Edgeworth look for his own prints on the truck that you pressed “investigate” on earier, which was pretty clever, so it fluctuates
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Anonymous
>Second spoiler
I love moments like that. It's one of the reasons 3-2 is one of my favorite cases.
The fact that this case introduces penalties for pressing the wrong statement with that fricking clown. Granted, it's not hard to know what you actually need to press, it just upsets my autism that I can't see all the dialog without getting fricked over for it
I remember GAA or something did this much better by not penalizing you for pressing it immediately, but for continuing to press irrelevant shit >should I press the matter further?
GAA definitely did it best. I remember Investigations 1 or 2 also had a couple of moments where pressing the wrong statements damaged you, but you had so much health that it didn't really matter too much.
I thought it was a really fun case. Love the tragedy of it all, love how Regina literally doesn't contemplate grief and I didn't find Moe annoying. If anything, my only gripe was the fact that Moe cracking a joke in court got you a strike. What kind of logic is that anyways?
I didn't really hat the clown I just thought this case was insanely boring with an obvious killer and overworld sections that were just annoying enough to get on my nerves
>almost 50 posts in and no one has pointed out the cape that defies physics
I'm still shocked that that's the biggest asspull in the series after 20 years.
It's spoilery so don't read any further if you care. Gumshoe wants you to find a copy of a virus known as Bomber. You find this CD with MC Bomber written on it. The characters assume it's a music CD and you can't submit it to Gumshoe until someone explicitly tells you it's the virus. But there's a part where it looks like they spell it out as clear as day, but that's not it and you still can't submit it to Gumshoe. I thought my game was glitched.
3-3 as a whole is weirdly overlooked. I didn't like Phoenix presenting false evidence at the end with nobody in the courtroom acknowledging it. I don't understand how that wasn't was lead into him losing his attorney's badge in AJ.
The Good: >Circus theme is actually kinda neat >Murder method is ridiculous but in an entertaining way >Phoenix never once has to get Mia's help, it's him and Maya the entire time >Realizing that Acro accidentally killed his father figure instead of his intended target makes you feel bad for the guy.
The Bad: >Most of the characters are annoying >There's several moments that require pretty big leaps in logic to figure out. An example being "The Silk Hat, the Cloak...they were all there!" is supposed to make you think that he didn't see the White Roses, but it's just as easy to assume "They were all there!" means he saw the White Roses but just neglected to mention them. >Moe's cross-examination penalizes you way too hard, they did that gimmick right with Furio Tigre in the next game. >Acro hiding the Bust under his wheelchair is stupid. It's not that hard to figure out through process of elimination but god it's dumb. >Acro's motive for killing Regina is stupid. >While I don't care all that much, three different people trying to marry an underage girl is weird and I understand why people complain about it.
>but it's just as easy to assume "They were all there!" means he saw the White Roses but just neglected to mention them.
I was stumped there for a while because I made that assumption too. I still say JFA is the hardest game in the series because of little things like that. I used a guide more for JFA than for all the other games combined.
Well technically, the evidence itself wasn't false, Phoenix just lied about what it was.
But isn't that misrepresenting evidence and lying in a court of law?
>But isn't that misrepresenting evidence and lying in a court of law?
It would've been fine if Phoenix played it off as if he made a mistake, but yeah, he actually says straight to Tigre's face that he tricked him on purpose.
>Acro hiding the Bust under his wheelchair is stupid.
I liked that part a lot, actually. In particular, what I'd like to see is when the culprit has to do some really dumb stuff to try to cover up their crime that's easily solved, because these are supposed to be ordinary people being forced into impulsive circumstances, not mastermind criminals that make perfect plans and such.
For me, one of the most frustrating moments in the series was in 2-4. Adrien Andrews says she poured herself a glass of juice from the bottle. The bottle in the picture however, is clearly full meaning she could not have poured it from there. But no, this isn't a contradiction according to the game.
I always disliked analyzing photos because sometimes it was hard to tell what was an actual contradiction and what was just a stylistic choice.
Whats funny is people hate on the 2nd game of the series while The Great Ace Attorney cases, if there even is one, are dumbed down significantly for a younger, more moronic audience. Absolutely nothing thought provoking or clever.
I could not even finish the first case in TGAA2 because it starts off with 2 witnesses from the first game who I hated. Inept detective/cop, whatever the frick he was suppose to be and the obnoxious overly paranoid guy. Seriously, the GAA games over look witnesses not bringing up obviously important facts or flat out being too stupid to notice that something at a crime scene has been obviously tampered with such as the dead professor's body being turned around completely or an unconscious woman's body being placed on the opposite side of the street. Come on, man. I can suspend my suspension of belief so much before it ruins the entire case. The cases are FULL of convenient coincidences as well such as jury members who are connected to the case some how or evidence popping up at the very last second, ruining any enjoyment from finding that one important piece of evidence that was sitting around from the very beginning that you may have forgotten about. The newer 3DS games were not even this bad and their writing is nowhere on the level as the original trilogy.
>the GAA games over look witnesses not bringing up obviously important facts or flat out being too stupid to notice that something at a crime scene has been obviously tampered with
Uh... Did you forget that the characters are Britons? Not just Britons, but olden day ones at that?
Its not just dumb Brits, its terrible writing. This dipshit did not notice blood on a plate or that a body was turned the opposite way. We are suppose to pretend he did not see the dead body 3-5 feet away from him while arresting Ryu.
Probably because a crippled guy hid the giant mass bust, which was the murder weapon, inside of his fricking wheelchair somehow and also no one found it when they searched him.
>victim has no personality besides "good guy" >victim does something incredibly stupid and nonsensical just for plot reasons >denfendant is stupid and annoying >central witness is stupid and annoying >clownadelphia >random "red herring" that doesn't advance the plot in any way >killer is incredibly obvious, you know he's guilty the second he appears on screen >killer is depicted as a good man stuck in a bad position rather than a total monster despite his plan being incredibly evil and callous >killer is both emotional and a cold-hearted master manipulator >killer's plan is incredibly stupid and only succeeds due to blind luck >said blind luck is something physically impossible happening >said physically impossible thing is the main mystery of the case >very bland and non-varied soundtrack >investigation stages suck and you keep getting lost >trial stages suck because day 1 doesn't matter at all >actual lawyers and judges accept the possibility of people being able to fly & are ready to sentence someone for murder over that
I absolutely loved the characters and atmosphere in 2-3 and I feel that I'm the only one.
The fact that I played it as a middle schooler might have helped. I also played it in french which was a superior localization imo
Because it's annoying as frick. All of the witnesses are totally unlikable. The twist is fricking moronic. The method is so unbelievably irresponsible and coincidental you can barely believe it works. It has zero redeeming qualities. Not a single good moment.
It wasn't hard either, just fricking annoying and stupid.
Cringe people hate it for Moe and the circus theme
People with any sense hate it for the waste of the circus theme and the stupid fricking murder method which was quite boring in retrospect.
In a series where you have already interrogated a parrot you think the case would be more wacky and fun but it just ends on a downer
Yeah for me it's always been murder method that makes me hate this case. They didn't even try. Didn't even think of them wasting the circus theme but you're right.
Found Moe to be annoying, but he wasn't the sole reason it was awful. Moe does feel like a character that showrunners add three seasons into a show to boost ratings while dialoguing with the rest of the AA cast.
the murder method and the murderer made so little sense that i couldn't believe it was real and expected a cool last minute twist towards the end. then the next case started...
oh well, at least it's sandwiched in between 2 of the best cases in the series
Because Regina is 16. If they changed her age to 20, but kept literally everything the exact same, not as many people would care. I'm surprised they didn't considering how they localized the frick out of these games.
>If they changed her age to 20, but kept literally everything the exact same, not as many people would care
If she were 20 but exactly the same she'd come off as literally moronic. Though she still kinda does as is
man it's been so long since I played the AA trilogy that I remember the abridged meme series more at this point
Wait frick I just checked and that's not it.
I meant the bullshit evolved series
You mean Turnabout Storm, yeah.
No I do not
Turnabout Theatre?
Mate I'm talking about a youtube series called Bullshit Evolved
Is that an alias for Crusading for a Turnabout?
yes
Frick yeah, I got it.
I liked it when I replayed the entire series in 2016.
To expand upon that,the first two cases sucked. While I did indeed like the third case, I just wanted to get to the last one. That's the real good shit.
I remember some convoluted part where you have to examine some bullshit and then return to either the office or some area that was already cleared
I liked it, but there's some dumb shit regarding the motivation and method. The biggest thing for me is why didn't they just swap Aero and Moe's rooms? Aero's been in a wheelchair for 6 months, yet he's still in his third floor room?
I can't say for certain, but I think JFA is the worst offender for making the player rely of guesswork The end of this case being a prime example. You're somehow supposed to know that Acro has the weapon under the blanket covering his legs despite the fact that you have never seen the lower part of Acro's sprite before and have no idea that he's even wearing a blanket over his legs.
Wasn't that always a matter of "process of elimination"? I don't recall a particularly bullshit case where you really had to reach.
I like the premise of the murder but every one of the circus people besides acro are obnoxious as frick
It's probably the worst 3rd case syndrome case. And yes, I actually don't mind Turnabout Serenade.
>3rd case syndrome
how is it that in the entire series, only the first game used the third case to actually develop the characters and setting instead of padding meant to be written off?
3-3 wasn't padding, it's the setup for how Phoenix corners the culprit in 3-5.
AAI2's Case 3 is full on character development, and GAA1 and GAA2 both have their plots kick off on the third case too (although GAA1 follows it up with a filler-ish case).
Honestly it felt like padding in the first game as well, the only real development was at the very end with Edgeworth. It's just that being the first game we hadn't had the chance to have a normal ace attorney case yet so 1-3 felt important to establish a status quo.
Spirit of Justice also made its 3rd case important story stuff. It's showbiz filler case was actually the 2nd one and manages to get good anyway.
>Spirit of Justice also made its 3rd case important story stuff. It's showbiz filler case was actually the 2nd one
Quit clowning around
great ace attorneys 3rd case is vital
Because it is the only tolerable one in the entire game.
G1-4 and G1-5 were fine.
>G1-4 was fine
lmfao
Okay the murder method is really dumb but I enjoy the characters.
Like everything else about GAA, the second game somewhat redeems it. But by itself G1-4 is incredibly drawn out. You basically figure out how it happened [and how moronic that is] at the halfway point of the trial. You then spend the next hour or two just going through endless contrived bullshit to prove that Roly is a moron, the fat woman is a moron, and that your horrible inkling was actually right and this was all just coincidence.
you also had to fricking go through an entire summation examination, like 30 minutes of dialogue
just to get the jurors to admit that they'd open a fricking window during a fire
You two talking about the same case? There is no murder in Chapter 4.
Accidental attempted manslaughter. It was just easier to type out murder.
you mostly just have several controversial characters in one case along with theming being underused and the rather awkward guesswork the game in general forces on the player.
there isn't any one thing that makes it a bad case, its all the smaller things in it that really add up to a bigger mess then something like 2-1 which is just a really bad tutorial case with a side of "Police are extra stupid today" that you see in some other cases.
>I love the ringmaster, he's like a fatger to me
>im gonna kill his daughter because the stupid b***h caused my idiot brother's head to get bitten off by accident and she didnt even say sorry
small surprise, especially since the case is so goddamn BORING
that's the worst of it-you're not finding new things, exploring new scenes or anything. you're running around aimlessly because the story demands it
to this day I'm still convinced, or headcanoning, that he's not crying because he murdered Mr Berry, he's crying because he got caught and didn't get his revenge, if he truly cared about the guy then he wouldn't have tried to kill her daughter.
2-3 feels extremely tonedeaf in general.
I hate circuses and magicians
>you have to LOSE to win
I hate this trope!
>defendant is actually guilty
>the consequences and moral quandaries of doing your job and getting a murderer off the hook
honestly this guy and megundal are some of the most memorable characters for a reason.
t. von Karma
>megundal
McGilded, fantroony
>McGilded,
Megundal, EOPhomosexual.
Will you switch to the official names of AAI2 characters when it gets ported?
Yes. I actually don't like most of them. Justine Courtney in particular bothers me for being too on the nose for a main character (not that AA doesn't have on-the-nose puns in general, but the main characters usually get better or more subtle names).
I'm so glad I didn't get spoiled for this because the twist was so goddamn good.
It was highly telegraphed honestly.
that means its a good twist, you can see it coming if you know what your looking for, a bad twist would make the killer someone like Oldbag with no narrative build up.
That case was kino however pic related
>Oh okay I got my defendant off the hook
>…
>BUT I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE WHOLE TRUTH
b***h shut the frick up and the nipponese scum does this like two more times
>plants evidence in the middle of the trial
kinda based ngl. Shame he had to get REAPER'd after getting off the hook
>GAA
>Ir*sh depicted as lying, sociopathic, corrupt, villainous murderers and blackmailed
Uhhh, Erin Bros? What did we do to deserve this?
It's a win either way.
>Not Guilty: Matt doesn't go to prison, but has to deal with de Killer, who kills people for a living, is very good at it, and is furious at Matt for backstabbing him (and Matt knows this, which is why he confesses anyway)
>Guilty: Matt goes to prison, where he might possibly be safe from de Killer, and Maya is safe because de Killer terminated his contract with Matt
The dummy was a fricking c**t. The fact that the court would burst into that fricking chant every time you tried to established the fricking obvious, that the person wearing the defendant's clothes wasn't necessarily the defendant was the most obnoxious shit.
Having said that. It is the most underrated case in the series just because of how great the final act is.
>as wright you accuse, of all people, the wheelchair-bound guy who is so good-natured he literally has fricking birds befriending him
>everyone thinks your nuts
>bit by bit you prove them all wrong
This is one of the few time in the entire series that the game wrote itself on the assumption that you had figured the case out on your own already.
>game asks you if you have evidence showing why acro killed the victim, you have "no I don't" as an option, because you figured out that the victim wasn't the intended target
>game asks you to point on the map where acro was when he killed the victim, the correct answer basically assumed you figured out what he did already
>even the extra stuff, like how his brother died and where the murder weapon is ends up being worked well
Having said that, his motive was kind of moronic
JFA as a whole has a lot of problems.
>nobody ever recognizes him despite the massive scar in the middle of his face
fricking edgey of all people not recognizing this guy on sight is the worst shit
Nobody recognizing the calling card of a high profile assassin until halfway through the case is a lot of why I don't like 2-4. I love DeKiller in I2, but I also hate that Edgeworth doesn't recognize him at all. I know he never saw his face, but he's the one that pointed out the symbol in the first place.
>Nobody recognizing the calling card of a high profile assassin until halfway through the case is a lot of why I don't like 2-4
De Killer's not high profile to the general public. Edgeworth says that the De Killer information is all top secret, so it's only notable to a select few investigators and criminals looking to hire a hitjob.
Good point, I forgot about that.
>keeps a straight face the entire case
>constantly emotes with his ice cream
AAI2 had some awful cases but things like this made it amazing
>AAI2 had some awful cases
That's the first time I've heard someone say that. I2-2 is my least favorite case of the two Investigations games, but that's the only one I'd really say is awful.
Which other ones didn't you like? I didn't like I2-3 at first because I'm pretty sure it's the longest case in the series, but it grew on me after beating the game and now it's one of my favorites.
Storywise I think they are great. It pulls off the “you are not bound by your father’s legacy” theme and manages to create an overarching plot between cases without it being forced
However the actual investigation and the shit you have to pull can be aggrevating
nobody in the city noticed a giant balloon crashing the president? The coroner couldn’t tell he was dumped in a freezer? Are you fricking kidding me?
Then again the same case had Edgeworth look for his own prints on the truck that you pressed “investigate” on earier, which was pretty clever, so it fluctuates
>Second spoiler
I love moments like that. It's one of the reasons 3-2 is one of my favorite cases.
Why the frick was he even pretending to be Engarde's servant in the first place?
It was the first time one of his clients had been arrested. For his reputation's sake, he needed to make sure that he got a not guilty verdict.
the fricking Clown
and not the one that the internet suddenly got horny for a week ago
Hated it because I got stuck way to often with the investigation. Maybe I'm just moronic but the characters gave frick all hints.
I unironically love this case, especially the final section of the trial which is chaotic as frick.
Let's watch this one more time
The fact that this case introduces penalties for pressing the wrong statement with that fricking clown. Granted, it's not hard to know what you actually need to press, it just upsets my autism that I can't see all the dialog without getting fricked over for it
I remember GAA or something did this much better by not penalizing you for pressing it immediately, but for continuing to press irrelevant shit
>should I press the matter further?
GAA definitely did it best. I remember Investigations 1 or 2 also had a couple of moments where pressing the wrong statements damaged you, but you had so much health that it didn't really matter too much.
I thought it was a really fun case. Love the tragedy of it all, love how Regina literally doesn't contemplate grief and I didn't find Moe annoying. If anything, my only gripe was the fact that Moe cracking a joke in court got you a strike. What kind of logic is that anyways?
I didn't really hat the clown I just thought this case was insanely boring with an obvious killer and overworld sections that were just annoying enough to get on my nerves
>with an obvious killer
The mystery wasn't really about the killer, it was about how the backstory really was "innocent"
Yeah I got that but that made it boring as frick lmao.
>almost 50 posts in and no one has pointed out the cape that defies physics
I'm still shocked that that's the biggest asspull in the series after 20 years.
Because you get penalized for (mating) pressing the clown
>(mating) pressing
Anon...Please don't mating press Moe.
clown so moe……. must press…. huff huff…..
>lemon keyface being surrounded by animals in his animations was a reference to this guy
Frick I never got that before
When the only character I can I say liked about the case was Max, you know the case will be shit. Moe kind of grew on me at the end of the case
>YEAH THE CAPE JUST FLEW UP AND HOOKED ITSELF ONTO THE BUST BRO
It's the case with the funniest penalty though, I'll give it that.
?t=1
incredible
>game predicts the future
it's just kinda boring? there are better cases.
Big breasts for a man
The biggest bullshit in the entire series wasn't in that case, but it was so bad that it was still the worst.
What do you mean?
It's spoilery so don't read any further if you care. Gumshoe wants you to find a copy of a virus known as Bomber. You find this CD with MC Bomber written on it. The characters assume it's a music CD and you can't submit it to Gumshoe until someone explicitly tells you it's the virus. But there's a part where it looks like they spell it out as clear as day, but that's not it and you still can't submit it to Gumshoe. I thought my game was glitched.
3-3 as a whole is weirdly overlooked. I didn't like Phoenix presenting false evidence at the end with nobody in the courtroom acknowledging it. I don't understand how that wasn't was lead into him losing his attorney's badge in AJ.
Well technically, the evidence itself wasn't false, Phoenix just lied about what it was.
Excuse me for putting my giant, smelly, stinky feet on the stand haha
The Good:
>Circus theme is actually kinda neat
>Murder method is ridiculous but in an entertaining way
>Phoenix never once has to get Mia's help, it's him and Maya the entire time
>Realizing that Acro accidentally killed his father figure instead of his intended target makes you feel bad for the guy.
The Bad:
>Most of the characters are annoying
>There's several moments that require pretty big leaps in logic to figure out. An example being "The Silk Hat, the Cloak...they were all there!" is supposed to make you think that he didn't see the White Roses, but it's just as easy to assume "They were all there!" means he saw the White Roses but just neglected to mention them.
>Moe's cross-examination penalizes you way too hard, they did that gimmick right with Furio Tigre in the next game.
>Acro hiding the Bust under his wheelchair is stupid. It's not that hard to figure out through process of elimination but god it's dumb.
>Acro's motive for killing Regina is stupid.
>While I don't care all that much, three different people trying to marry an underage girl is weird and I understand why people complain about it.
It was a different time, women couldnt vote back in the gba days
>but it's just as easy to assume "They were all there!" means he saw the White Roses but just neglected to mention them.
I was stumped there for a while because I made that assumption too. I still say JFA is the hardest game in the series because of little things like that. I used a guide more for JFA than for all the other games combined.
But isn't that misrepresenting evidence and lying in a court of law?
>But isn't that misrepresenting evidence and lying in a court of law?
It would've been fine if Phoenix played it off as if he made a mistake, but yeah, he actually says straight to Tigre's face that he tricked him on purpose.
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>Acro hiding the Bust under his wheelchair is stupid.
I liked that part a lot, actually. In particular, what I'd like to see is when the culprit has to do some really dumb stuff to try to cover up their crime that's easily solved, because these are supposed to be ordinary people being forced into impulsive circumstances, not mastermind criminals that make perfect plans and such.
The piece of shit ventriloquist guy is the worst character in the entire series.
He's bad but Mike Meekins is far worse, pure waste of time npc much like Lotta "Lying to the Court" Hart
If people hate this case so much, why did Regina come back as a major character in Edgeworth's second game?
Sex appeal
She was brought back so that Yamazaki could flex on Takumi about how to make GOOD circus characters.
For me, one of the most frustrating moments in the series was in 2-4. Adrien Andrews says she poured herself a glass of juice from the bottle. The bottle in the picture however, is clearly full meaning she could not have poured it from there. But no, this isn't a contradiction according to the game.
I always disliked analyzing photos because sometimes it was hard to tell what was an actual contradiction and what was just a stylistic choice.
>it flew
The characters suck, it's long and the murder method was just too much for me to suspend my disbelief
Dropping something heavy on someone's head to kill them is not believable, dumbdumb?
Whats funny is people hate on the 2nd game of the series while The Great Ace Attorney cases, if there even is one, are dumbed down significantly for a younger, more moronic audience. Absolutely nothing thought provoking or clever.
I could not even finish the first case in TGAA2 because it starts off with 2 witnesses from the first game who I hated. Inept detective/cop, whatever the frick he was suppose to be and the obnoxious overly paranoid guy. Seriously, the GAA games over look witnesses not bringing up obviously important facts or flat out being too stupid to notice that something at a crime scene has been obviously tampered with such as the dead professor's body being turned around completely or an unconscious woman's body being placed on the opposite side of the street. Come on, man. I can suspend my suspension of belief so much before it ruins the entire case. The cases are FULL of convenient coincidences as well such as jury members who are connected to the case some how or evidence popping up at the very last second, ruining any enjoyment from finding that one important piece of evidence that was sitting around from the very beginning that you may have forgotten about. The newer 3DS games were not even this bad and their writing is nowhere on the level as the original trilogy.
based, beyond belief.
TGAA2 is actually a good game however, but its build up from the previous, lackluster game, didn't deliver its hype.
There was lead in their paint and smog everywhere. It was a different time!
>the GAA games over look witnesses not bringing up obviously important facts or flat out being too stupid to notice that something at a crime scene has been obviously tampered with
Uh... Did you forget that the characters are Britons? Not just Britons, but olden day ones at that?
Its not just dumb Brits, its terrible writing. This dipshit did not notice blood on a plate or that a body was turned the opposite way. We are suppose to pretend he did not see the dead body 3-5 feet away from him while arresting Ryu.
people shit on the 2nd game because people give a shit about the main trilogy
Probably because a crippled guy hid the giant mass bust, which was the murder weapon, inside of his fricking wheelchair somehow and also no one found it when they searched him.
>victim has no personality besides "good guy"
>victim does something incredibly stupid and nonsensical just for plot reasons
>denfendant is stupid and annoying
>central witness is stupid and annoying
>clownadelphia
>random "red herring" that doesn't advance the plot in any way
>killer is incredibly obvious, you know he's guilty the second he appears on screen
>killer is depicted as a good man stuck in a bad position rather than a total monster despite his plan being incredibly evil and callous
>killer is both emotional and a cold-hearted master manipulator
>killer's plan is incredibly stupid and only succeeds due to blind luck
>said blind luck is something physically impossible happening
>said physically impossible thing is the main mystery of the case
>very bland and non-varied soundtrack
>investigation stages suck and you keep getting lost
>trial stages suck because day 1 doesn't matter at all
>actual lawyers and judges accept the possibility of people being able to fly & are ready to sentence someone for murder over that
I absolutely loved the characters and atmosphere in 2-3 and I feel that I'm the only one.
The fact that I played it as a middle schooler might have helped. I also played it in french which was a superior localization imo
Because it's annoying as frick. All of the witnesses are totally unlikable. The twist is fricking moronic. The method is so unbelievably irresponsible and coincidental you can barely believe it works. It has zero redeeming qualities. Not a single good moment.
It wasn't hard either, just fricking annoying and stupid.
He wanted Regina dead for something not her fault.