Nihilistic not giving a frick attitude then a twist that he planned way ahead makes for an interesting character. juxtaposition in other words... he doesn't give a FRICK but oh wait he gave more of a frick than anyone!
>figures everything out on his own >blows the island up >corrals everyone into one area >kills himself >refuses to elaborate >makes an unsolvable case halting the killing game in its tracks >forces the impostor reveal
>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side >ended up helping the villain >all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation >the protag is the one to actually do something about the villain with the power of friendship
Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
he did, speedreader-kun, he wanted the impostor to survive. the only thing he didn't anticipate was that the impostor would choose to out herself to save the others
That's not what I said, as I said above I was just shitposting based on my memory and I made a mistake, no big deal. Doesn't change the rest of what I said though.
>>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
Nagito wanted Chiaki to come out and explain the identity of everyone else as world-class terrorists in "rehab", though she'd never do that so he ended up only giving them a critical clue to the case. This was his only frickup really.
up helping the villain
Junko wanted to either bring back everyone from the simulation as remnants with all their past fricked up memories intact or turn them all into botched copies of her. Nagito's goal goes against both of these since he wanted to get every student killed in both the simulation and by extension in real life. >>all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
Read above. Future Foundation needed at least one survivor to abort or start anew, but Nagito was planning on leaving none. >>the protag is the one to actually do something about the villain with the power of friendship
And he couldn't have done jackshit if he died in 2-5, an unsolvable case in a game where you had to solve cases to survive. Even with the schizo deduction about Nagito wanting to save Chiaki, the vote was ultimately a russian roulette. >Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
I could give you a full list but let's just keep at this, yeah?
Once they figured out that Nagito's luck was deciding the trial, couldn't they have just blind voted for someone knowing that his luck would make them vote for the right person? If you know luck has a hand in it and is basically the deciding factor, wouldn't a blind majority vote end up with Chiaki as the majority vote because Nagito's luck was based on his desire to have the traitor be outed? Even if they didn't know who the traitor was themselves, Nagito's luck would have the results of a blind vote end with Chiaki as majority, wouldn't it? The idea being that if you trust Nagito's luck to guide you like he trusted it, then it would just work out in the end.
If Izuru's intention was to save everyone, his luck probably would make sure Chiaki had the majority votes, DR3 showed that either his luck is stronger than Nagito's or invalidates it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he wasn't Izuru at the time though, and Izuru didn't care for Chiaki that much anyways
2 years ago
Anonymous
It doesn't matter that he wasn't Izuru at the time, his plan was already in motion and he doesn't seem like the type to leave everything to fate. If he didn't care about Chiaki then he also didn't care about the others, in which case he wouldn't have put them in the simulation, he had nothing to gain from going along with Junko's plans. Him crying when Chiaki died in DR3 disproves your claim anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he lets her die anyways
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you want me to say? He's an experiment that was supposed to have no feelings, her death seems to have awakened his feelings and that's probably why he planned on saving her classmates with the simulation. This is all conjecture though, I don't remember if his plan or motivation was ever explained, so we can just guess. My theory at least is better than "he did it for lolz", unless you have another motive in mind.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>unless you have another motive in mind.
but he literally did it for the shits and giggles
2 years ago
Anonymous
Proof?
2 years ago
Anonymous
he just wanted to see if hope or despair was more insteresting since he probably could see all outcomes and gets bored easily, basically Junko autism but toned down
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fact that he has all abilities should tone up the autism if he had it. That said, if you don't have proof from any of the games, animes, novels or an interview, that's just your opinion, which is fine, it makes sense even, but I disagree.
2 years ago
Anonymous
pretty sure it was implied in the anime that he follows Junko's plans because of it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Up to Chiaki's death sure, but what I'm talking about is his own plan, he went out of his way to ask her to erase DR2's cast's memories of him, to get her AI from Kurokuma and Shirokuma and installed it in the simulation. The latter was part of Junko's plan or at least her AI's sure, but not even her understood why he asked her to erase the memories or at least it wasn't explicitly said she did. Point is that he didn't have to do any of that if he was just going along with Junko's plan for the lolz.
Well they defeated Monokuma and broke out of the simulation and saved everyone too, so it looks like everything turned out how nagito would like it after all.
>ended up helping the villain
At that point in the story they were all going to slowly dwindle away and the big reveal was going to happen at the center of the island well before they did anything about it. They were boned without Nagito's intervention. >all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
How was anyone supposed to account for that?
>How was anyone supposed to account for that?
My point was that no matter how important or awesome his actions may have been, it was all pointless even if he didn't know that. I was just shitposting though.
That said, he didn't even bother to talk to Chiaki about it, if he did he may have found out the truth (I don't remember if her programming forbid her from revealing anything) and they could've worked together to maybe have her regain control of the simulation. I doubt it would've changed anything though, everything was going according to Izuru's plan I assume.
>>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
Nagito wanted Chiaki to come out and explain the identity of everyone else as world-class terrorists in "rehab", though she'd never do that so he ended up only giving them a critical clue to the case. This was his only frickup really.
up helping the villain
Junko wanted to either bring back everyone from the simulation as remnants with all their past fricked up memories intact or turn them all into botched copies of her. Nagito's goal goes against both of these since he wanted to get every student killed in both the simulation and by extension in real life. >>all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
Read above. Future Foundation needed at least one survivor to abort or start anew, but Nagito was planning on leaving none. >>the protag is the one to actually do something about the villain with the power of friendship
And he couldn't have done jackshit if he died in 2-5, an unsolvable case in a game where you had to solve cases to survive. Even with the schizo deduction about Nagito wanting to save Chiaki, the vote was ultimately a russian roulette. >Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
I could give you a full list but let's just keep at this, yeah?
1. It was already pointed out that I misremembered.
2. His intentions don't matter, my point was that his actions ended up helping the villain, though to be fair it was ultimately Chiaki's decision, he just didn't count on that.
3. A good point, if he had accomplished his goal it wouldn't have been for nothing from his perspective, but since DR3 establishes that somehow they were able to bring back the people who died, it's fair to say all he did was pointless since it was a simulation, though you can argue that the only reason that miracle happened is because Hajime/Izuru survived and got out.
4. Which wouldn't have been a problem if Nagito hadn't enacted his plan in the first place. You could also argue that Izuru accounted for that since he has every ability, including Junko's and Nagito's, so either some miracle would happen and everyone would survive or his luck would trigger causing a majority vote against Chiaki and her dying anyway.
5. I know there are worse characters than him, even withing the DR2 cast, I was just shitposting, I thought that last line made it obvious.
I forgot, the fifth trial was likely going to end that way anyway because it's what Junko wanted. Iirc Monokuma claimed he did know who the culprit was when it was pointed out that it was impossible to know who threw the right bottle, but unless he proved that there's no evidence he was telling the truth. If we assume that he knew because Junko's AI could see everything within the simulation, we can also assume that she can rig the votes and cause Chiaki's death. I think there was some plot point against that, something like she couldn't alter the rules of the simulation, but who's to say she wouldn't find a way to rig the vote.
I think I remembered, she couldn't cause the death of anyone through her actions, but I don't remember the extent of that, maybe she could've left some clues implying that Chiaki is the impostor prior to the trial, would that count as causing her death? It would still be up to the others voting on her, so who knows.
I think I remembered, she couldn't cause the death of anyone through her actions, but I don't remember the extent of that, maybe she could've left some clues implying that Chiaki is the impostor prior to the trial, would that count as causing her death? It would still be up to the others voting on her, so who knows.
Monokuma had cameras around every corner. If the people guessed wrong he'd probably show footage of Nagito placing the bottle and the culprit picking it up. But Monokuma can do whatever the frick he wants (see 1-5) so he could roll with whichever vote they had and proceed to 2-6 since killing all remnants would be a boring conclusion for Junko.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know of the cameras, but I'm not sure if they capture every single corner, plus since it's a simulation the cameras are effectively useless, I don't think Junko's AI needs them to see everything. You're right, the result ultimately didn't matter to her.
She dosent seem too botherd having a spray through her gut but alright
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s because she voluntarily sacrificed herself to save everyone else, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
YES BUT EVEN IF I DID THAT I WOULDNT SMILE WITH A SPEAR THROUGH MY GUT ANON I WOULD GLADLY TAKE A BULLET FOR YOU BUT DONT EXPECT ME TO NOT SCREAM IN PAIN AFTERWORDS
2 years ago
Anonymous
What part of “symbolic” do you not understand, moron? In game she dies from a giant tetris block falling on her then blowing up
I just realized the real Chiaki died from a spear through her stomach as well. Damn…
2 years ago
Anonymous
>real chiaki
what
2 years ago
Anonymous
The one from DR3.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what
I only played DR1, DR2 and V3
since when has there been a real chiaki
2 years ago
Anonymous
Since 2016.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In the DR3 anime they retconned it so that Chiaki was a real person. She was the class president, she got all the DR2 students to become friends, and then Junko brutally killed her in front of them. That's how they became Ultimate Despair. AI Chiaki (the one that appears in DR2) was just based on their beloved former classmate, since she brought them together in the first place, they believed she could do it again.
>All that self pity talk was uber bullshit
Yes. In the end, Nagito's a narcissist literally incapable of seeing outside the box. He projected his views onto others, but after realizing they were frickups AND seeing that an ultimate lucky student student became the ultimate hope, he wanted that for himself. This guy whose entire philosophy is that talents are chosen from birth and worth cannot be changed. He was pathetic and a hypocrite.
He was obnoxious and petty the entire game and the attempt to redeem him rubbed me the wrong way. Nagito worked because he's legitimately out of his fricking mind, Kokichi doesn't because it feels like everything he does is out of spite.
Interesting, but poorly handled, not to mention the way the game tries to make it seem like he was just pretending to be evil was pretty asinine, when a lot of the shit he did seemed unnecessarily vile. Not to mention the shit with Gonta.
Like a Bully being an butthole to "toughen" up his victim. You're still an butthole, buddy.
I don't know either. He's not the most unlikable of DR2's cast, but his popularity still makes no sense to me, maybe it's that "I can fix him" mentality.
He is the only interesting char in DR2, even if he is a dickhead. In fact he carries the entire trainwreck that is that game and manages to somewhat slow down the crash a bit.
The series as a whole is a train wreck, I think that's one of the reasons people like it, it's supposed to be crazy and nonsensical. That may also explain why people dislike the boring brainwashing plot that DR3 introduced, it was the laziest way they could've gone about it. DR should've ended with 2, maybe with UDG.
Semi agree.
Brainwashing makes the most logical sense and is a great tool, to have it be an Ultimate student
Having it be the way Junko corrupts the students? Lazy. Should have been personalized for each one; but you could still have the tipping point being Chiaki dying.
To be fair with them, I think the brainwashing doesn't work or at least not properly if they're not already feeling despair, otherwise there would be no reason for the Chiaki thing or for Mukuro to have to directly mess with Yoshizome's brain. Also, no matter what method Junko used, people would find a reason to dislike it or complain about it, even if it was individual, there would be at least one people wouldn't like. The whole "made the whole world fall into despair" was interesting because it was a mystery how she accomplished that, once it's revealed that's lost.
Aside from that though Junko's character is mostly intact, she's still the Ultimate Analyst that managed to manipulated several people to make things go her way. Personally I would've found it more interesting if the world had fallen into despair just because of what she did to Hope's Peak since ever since the first game it was pointed out how the school was a big deal all over the world. They'd still have to think of individual things from the DR2 cast, but surely they could think of something other than brainwashing for a small group of people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Personally I would've found it more interesting if the world had fallen into despair just because of what she did to Hope's Peak
That was her plan: she had caused havoc and destruction but there was still hope. The plan was to ruin the world's future (these kids), their greatest hope (the best of us), to drive them to despair
>people would always have an issue
Exactly. The franchise isn't perfect but FRICK if I didn't have loads of fun and got shocked by the twists.
People discuss "oh but plotholes" as if the plotholes in DR are generally smaller ones, vs story breaking ones in most modern shows.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The franchise isn't perfect but FRICK if I didn't have loads of fun and got shocked by the twists.
I agree, no matter what they did with the series after 2, I still liked and had fun with the first two games and even with V3, the anime had it's moments too. If I really had to point one thing they could've done differently is bringing Junko back. Don't get me wrong, I liked DR2 and the plot twist was interesting, but she did peak at the end of DR1.
Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks, Ibuki sucks, Mikan and Hiyoko suck, SHIIIIITman sucks and the robot gimmick was moronic, Souda and Akane are the worst survivors in the series. You cannot dispute this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks
They were first case fodder so who fricking cares?
Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Hiyoko is meant to be hated so who cares
Nekomaru was based as frick
And Souda and Akane were literally better versions of Yasuhiro and Aoi
Only Peko and Fuyuhiko genuinely sucked which is two out of 16 characters when the other two games have a worse ratio than that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's slippery when wet
what did she mean by this
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know exactly what she means.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My on my knees right in front of her, she's pushing my head against her crotch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Heeeellooooooooo!
Literally too good for this world
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ibuki is the purest girl.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally made for procreational love making and forehead kisses
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She doesn't want them to slip and fall like Mikan did earlier
2 years ago
Anonymous
akane is fricking trash. at least aoi actually helped perpetrate one of the cooler cases of dr1.
also, literally just being a new version of an old character is a bad thing, not a good thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Souda a better version of Yasuhiro
I can see someone believing any one of your other points, but soda just becomes a Sonia simp stupid early. He got so goddamn annoying over the duration of the game.
At least Yasuhiro was endearing with his moronation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Souda was the most realistic character in the game and probably acted the way most of us losers would have in the same situation Yasuhiro was just legitimately moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
God I wish I could wrap my hands around your little troony neck and snap it like a fricking twig
2 years ago
Anonymous
Souda was better than Hagakure that's certain but Asahina is below "MUH EAT MUH FIGHT" in your mind? You may not have brain damage but you must've hit your head or something
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Souda was better than Hagakure that's certain
Is it though? Hagakure can be funny, and he's not a one-dimensional caricature or a cuck either. He actually feels like one of the family by the end of the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Souda was better than Hagakure that's certain
Is it though? Hagakure can be funny, and he's not a one-dimensional caricature or a cuck either. He actually feels like one of the family by the end of the game.
Hagakure is an aquired taste https://youtu.be/j-EfjMMwYo4?t=1598
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn't like Chiaki >not even Gundham
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks
They were first case fodder so who fricking cares?
Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Hiyoko is meant to be hated so who cares
Nekomaru was based as frick
And Souda and Akane were literally better versions of Yasuhiro and Aoi
Only Peko and Fuyuhiko genuinely sucked which is two out of 16 characters when the other two games have a worse ratio than that
ywnbaw
2 years ago
Anonymous
Chiaki is Sonia-tier to me, irrelevant and pretty bland in the grand scheme of things. Gundham's a madlad for russian roulette but he isn't enough to drag the rest of the cast up.
>Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks
They were first case fodder so who fricking cares?
Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Hiyoko is meant to be hated so who cares
Nekomaru was based as frick
And Souda and Akane were literally better versions of Yasuhiro and Aoi
Only Peko and Fuyuhiko genuinely sucked which is two out of 16 characters when the other two games have a worse ratio than that
>Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Absolute knuckledragging moron-tier take, but I guess you can't expect much from a Mikangay. You are right that Peko is so fricking boring that I forgot she existed entirely, though.
this. the trials are good but the sdr2 kids are just so shit and the ones that ARE decent are wiped out in the first half of the game
especially fricking souda AND akane being survivors
Nah, people just appreciate him as a villain and the awkward dynamic he brings to the group.
You're not supposed to genuinely like the guy, he's an insufferable piece of shit.
He is written better and has actual character flaws. Things never go his way despite him pretending to be muh smart keikaku man, compare this to nagito or kokichi
There's a DR ripoff that's not bad, but some autist on Ganker used to spam it saying it's FAR greater than DR and so fricking good.
It's truly not bad but he was beyond delusional. He fricked off when he got his ass destroyed, proving it was a ripoff of DR, when we posted images of if 1 for 1 ripping off the Island postgame of DR2.
Because his determination to move forward no matter what and total refusal to accept the nihilism of Junko’s despair is something seldom seen in modern life. There are people who would look at the stagnant but safe Bad Ending that choose it over moving forward into an uncertain, possibly scary future that is nevertheless filled with possibilities
DS1 they were just tropes
Weeby incel
Gothic maid
Gangster
V3 had more nuances.
You COULD argue that the worst of the worst were in v3 (but with the fatfrick in DR1 being #1), but overall v3 had stronger ones.
Oma, robot dude, entomologist, maki, spaceman, detective bro, piano guy, little witch, and tennis dude.
sistercon and bawd aren't half bad. thinking bad actually made me realize how many characters I liked.
I think DR1's bad characters REALLY drag it down because they had gold too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Oma, Miu, Keebo
I liked them >Shuichi,Gonta, Kaede, Ryoma
meh >himiko, kaito,maki,korekiyo
lol
lmao even
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your tastes make zero sense. How do you like fricking Keebo but not Kaito?
2 years ago
Anonymous
he was based and Kaito an annoying piece of shit
and the game doesn't force you to deal with his tantrums and delusions of being a MC
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Keebo ended being based in the end how do you even interpret Kaito like that when he's the only guy in the cast that isn't doomer gay? His relationship to Shuichi is legit one of the best arcs in all of Dangan.
If you played Persona 3, i bet you dislike Junpei too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nta, but are you comparing Kaito to Junpei? Junpei was a piece of shit to you since the beginning and he only changed when he got pussy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How the frick do you not like shuichi, ryoma, Kaito, or maki?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How the frick can you even like Maki
2 years ago
Anonymous
What's wrong with her? She's the icy on the outside character that grows to like you
She's not amazing but that's a totally fine trope and her deal with you and ryoma makes it work
2 years ago
Anonymous
butthole characters that are actually vulnerable is such an annoying and overplayed trope and I have zero sympathy for people like that in real life because of how much I go out of my wait to be nice or at least courteous to other people
2 years ago
Anonymous
Weird hang up but I get it I guess. Out of all of the tropes to gripe about I find it one of the least offensive though
2 years ago
Anonymous
The general grievances people have for her character that I generally agree with, is that her character arc is a dime a dozen, and she doesn't do anything new that makes her stand out. She's also the author's pet character; her along with Kaito got away with practically everything and make them in the right and it's infuriating. The fact she didn't get called out for endangering everyone's lives in chapter 5 for her incredibly selfish actions is a big example of this.
A personal gripe from my end I don't like is that the v3 characters spout catchphrases and they repeat them constantly which eats up dialog, and her "do you want to die?" got old fast.
D2 is better because the theme of redemption and choosing to move forward while living with the consequences of your past is so much more interesting than being optimistic about entering the chaotic and unpredictable adult world after graduating from high school. I genuinely felt terrible for the D2 cast because how absolutely fricked their situation was
Their bodies were still mutilated, their friends and families were still dead, and they were still mass murderers that helped destroy society. Are you genuinely stupid or are you just being willfully moronic?
>because the theme of redemption and choosing to move forward while living with the consequences of your past is so much more interesting than being optimistic about entering the chaotic and unpredictable adult world after graduating from high school
And then you remember that absolutely nothing of value was done with that.
We got to see the Class 76 as Ultimate Despair members for what amounted to what, 2 minutes in the DR3 anime? Less?
And when do we see them suffer remorse for their actions as Ultimate Despair? Ah, yes... we don't.
I don’t give a frick about D3 or it’s fricking anime. When I played D2, D3 wasn’t even in preproduction. Besides, it’s obviously a half though-out afterthought retroactively tacked on to the previous games and not a planned out third part of a continuing story
>I don’t give a frick about D3 or it’s fricking anime.
It's the same thing.
1 or 2 minutes, and at the very fricking end of the game.
The fact remains that nothing of value was done with that even if you (understandbly) want to headcanon DR3 out of existence.
The point of the story is to not linger on the past so the five survivors choose to move forward with their lives instead of fallong back into despair, dingus. In other words, it doesn’t matter who they were or what they did, what matters is who they choose to be
Yea, because autists don't understand human thinking and feelings, as to why they'd like a character like him.
There's no irony or strangeness to this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The irony is that you're defending a character that's exactly like the people you're criticizing. It's no big deal man, I'm not saying you can't like him, I think he's an interesting character even though I don't like him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro, if you think Nagito's only characteristic is his autism, you're just as autistic.
Stop trying to one up people and start thinking. A mastermind who is trying to get his desired outcome to happen via anything. Playing good guy and bad guy when needed etc.
And if you REALLY want to think about it: Nagito's autism is vastly different from Ganker's autism. They are not the same mental disorder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nowhere did I say that, I just pointed out his autism because you're calling out Ganker's autism, that's all. You're the one making a big deal out of this, I simply pointed out something funny and even after I said that it's fine that you like him you continue to have a meltdown, calm your breasts, you're embodying Ganker's autism right now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kek, glad you're here to tell us Nagito isn't right of mind.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wasn't even talking about the character in my first reply, I just made a joke that someone was defending an autist while calling others autists and like classic Ganker the person had a meltdown over it, that just made it more funny to me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your mistake is assuming anyone who take written text as a joke. Sarcasm doesn't translate well into written speech.
There's no meltdown, just an honest discussion, should have just made your point of "its a joke" early on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
True, I should've added a kek or something to my first reply, but you also didn't have to extend things for so long, guess we've both made mistakes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought you were serious. It's okay, we can make peace. meet me at queens square at 17:00 tomorrow and we'll duel for our dignities.
some of the male characters were straight up designed for fujoshis to drool over, from "I can fix him" like Nagito and Gundham to "omg he's so cool" like Byakuya and Kaito
That's gay. I get it but you can't let idiots dictate who you like.
Did you play Shadowbringers? You wouldn't HATE Emet, just because girls go insane for him?
I Don't play ff14 but I get what you mean, I know its a moronic way of thinking but I cant help but feel the "those normies like it so I cant like it anymore" feeling sometimes though I try to ignore it more now. Despite this Miu and junko are my favorite dangans lol
She wanted to get out, killing kokichi wasn't a bad call and she felt bad anyway
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everyone wanted to get out. Besides, if I recall the reason why she tried to kill Kokichi is because she was afraid of getting betrayed by him...
Yet decides to betray everyone else first.
Not to mention you have to be a fricking moron to commit a legitimate murder after Shuichi btfo every blackened at that point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I love Miu but she's a total moron and I did not like that trial at all
You aren't wrong even though I'd like to argue more about it
>It's another "le epic Gankerner can't like something because other people like it" episode
Seriously, the hell is wrong with this place? I have never seen a site be this collectively moronic before
He’s a funny parody of Makoto from the first game. He’s also legitimately crazy due to having severe dementia and stage 3 lymphoma which makes him actually interesting
In his free time event he finally confesses that he is going to die in a year to a year and a half. Turns out his luck balances itself out so for everything good that happens to him something equally bad happens and vice versa, which is the reason he’s both hopeful and full of despair
danganronpa is 100% a dub game. It's done very well.
To this day I don't know why the frick did they change her nickname to Celeste, it makes no fricking sense, the nickname is supposed to shorten her fake name, but this one is just one letter short. What did they have against Celes?
Celeste is a real name, Celes isn't. That's my guess and the difficulty in translation. It's a minor thing. It's not like they made it Catherine.
I'll slightly rephrase it: it's a game you play with English dub and not anything except Nagito VA= Makoto VA (which is not a big deal).
The voice acting done in English is comparable to the Japanese VA and I understand Japanese perfectly. Played it English and watched it Japanese.
well I agree some VA's do a good job
but overall the jp voices are better
2 years ago
Anonymous
I honestly don't know. I think V3 had better Jap voices but I have some bad memories of earlier ones. maybe you're right. I don't feel like checking, but I do know I definitely like V3 Jap more than English. And POSSIBLY like D2 Eng more.
JP dub is better by virtue of not reusing the same VA with the same tone and inflection to voice multiple characters. I only played V3 in EN dub, and while I did eventually warm up to the whole experience, the finale was off-putting for the stated reason. God knows how I would have felt if I had played the previous games in EN dub as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>reusing the same VA with the same tone and inflection to voice multiple characters
Things that never happened.
>Celeste is a real name, Celes isn't. That's my guess and the difficulty in translation. It's a minor thing. It's not like they made it Catherine.
It's supposed to be her nickname, Celestia is the name even in the localization, that's why the nickname being changed from Celes to Celeste is moronic. Btw, I can't believe this thread is still alive.
I'm probably biased cause I played the game instead of watching the anime but I honestly prefer her game va waaay more. Her fake accent breaking whenever she lost her cool was a nice touch
To this day I don't know why the frick did they change her nickname to Celeste, it makes no fricking sense, the nickname is supposed to shorten her fake name, but this one is just one letter short. What did they have against Celes?
I assume you're talking about dub, because Mikan's sub had the most memorable preference for me.
Specifically when she goes nuts, the actress went in super hard.
Fook man. Falcon love the danganronpa series. Wish I could experience them all for the first time again. Hopefully they make a Danganronpa 4, but after the ending of V3, I doubt it
He was entertaining as frick and kept things fresh. This fricker was the first one in the series to sore wa chigau yo your ass in the middle of a trial. Do you know how mindblowing that was coming off DR1?
It’s not like it was foreshadowed throughout the entire game and the stinger of the previous one… oh wait…
DR3 literally makes SDR2's entire story filler.
Hinata acting like a brat and crying that he wasn't special, then giving him all the powers makes him the shittiest protag.
Who gives a frick about D3? Just because it retroactively ruins the story doesn’t mean to original story wasn’t good beforehand. Also it was never stated what talents Izuru had and the idea was meant to be antithetical to Makoto being a self-made hero in the first game
Did you play it? DR2's ending is wasted potential and nothing more than an information dump. Other games at least try to have their characters interact with the mystery and solve shit. DR2 just tells you everything. Then when you lose, the chiaki voice in your head makes you go super saiyan to win. It's entertaining at first, but is too passive for a finale. It doesn't help that DR2 is the game that suffers most retroactively.
I was honestly surprised how much I really ended up liking Chiaki. Didn’t realize she was main girl until she took the reigns at the end of the second trial. I just thought she was popular because of the cute awkward gamer girl thing but she really was best girl in the end
Unpredictable insane man that is neither exactly hostile nor helpful
Also delivers the best case in the series
Generally just a fun character that elevates the whole game
>foil/parallel to Makoto, keeps you thinking about what his deal is >seemingly an agent of chaos but has clear motives once everything's laid out >drives the plot forward even more than the protagonist does >luck is an interesting talent to see put to use, especially when it seemed to be barely existent in Makoto >cool design >unironically the smartest character from any of the games
Never like the fact he didn’t have an absolute mental meltdown after finding out that the students, including him, were Ultimate Despair. Instead he just acted like a passive aggressive b***h. Seemed really out of character as it felt like something that would have completely mindfricked him
>drives the plot forward even more than the protagonist does
I know this isn't what your point is, but yeah, obviously. Protagonists in a storytelling sense exist to prevent change and protect the status quo, while antagonists enact change that spurs the hero into action. If Nagito wasn't trying to put a gun to the group's collective heads every five minutes then most of them would've just hung out and been friendly, but he was constantly making everyone paranoid and on-edge.
Me too. Guy is a coward, and somewhat of an empath if his reactions to his classmates dying/being injured is anything to go by. My HC is that Junko pushed him to the brink of insanity.
It's not THAT hard to imagine. >Some of you are alright. Don't go to Hope's Peak tomorrow.
Incel nerds walk into highschools with assault rifles and commit mass murder every other month.
I like the conversation after he learns the truth where he immediately starts talking about a book he read where the twist at the end is the main character was the killer the whole time, and Hajime isn't even really paying attention.
Case 4 Nagito is great. On your first playthrough you're just wondering why he's being such an butthole to Hajime all of a sudden, but on a second playthrough you realize everything he says makes sense.
The "book" he talks about is Danganronpa Zero, which is the prequel novel where the amnesiac main character turns out to be Junko herself . Shame it got retconed by DR3.
He has an extremely interesting view on the world and sticks to his principles til the end. Also god tier voice acting. Dubgays not included of course.
>games imply junko oozed charisma and manipulated everyone with wits and her bullshit analytical abilities >then DR3 comes and lmao it's all just brainwashing with hope anime
Future arc was at least kind of funny and made for good memes and fun threads. Despair arc was a complete mistake and I was better off not knowing what happened to 2's cast back in school.
I think there were 2 good parts of Despair arc: the First Killing Game and Chiaki's death. I think the brainwashing would've been better left to the player's imagination, because that kind of charisma is impossible to show off in writing.
How did you not automatically assume he killed himself when one of his hands were clean of blood, he had bombed open the entrance to the castle where the spear originally was, had the other hand free, and the reveal of the poison where you immediately would have thought about the fire grenades? Are you slow?
Literally peabrain logic. If I replaced a soda in the fridge with poison and asked so random person to give it to me it or replaced a blank in a prop gun with an identical live round in an actual gun and told my friend to shoot me with it, it would still be a suicide, donut
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Anonymous
In a real court of law it obviously would be. But Monokuma has been clear about this, if you deliver the killing blow, even by accident, or even if you were tricked, you are the blackened. By your same logic, Monokuma is the actual killer in 90% of the cases because he's forcing them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If that was the case then there were so much more easier ways for Nagito to pin his death on someone with the same ending result. Could have got Kazuichi to “accidentally” kill him and bank on him being a complete coward and not coming clean
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you legitimately moronic? The goal was to make the murder unsolvable so everyone would die except the impostor
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then he could have done the same exact plan minus the elaborate set up and he could have just set the warehouse on fire in front of everyone while still using the poison fire grenade, you utter fricking moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie, how the heck do you miss the point that Nagito still wants to give each side an equal chance to win.
That was literally his entire monologue in the beginning of the 2nd chapter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What point are you even trying to make, you drooling troglodyte? His plan would have functioned identically regardless. How does making everyone think there was a murderer, to only find he kill himself, to yet again only find he committed assisted euthanasia benefit anymore than just cutting out the first two steps to begin with, you fricking moron?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Huh, never thought about it that way
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because nagito still believed in you deep down, even though he despised what you were. He gave you a slim life line to figure out his trick, so that at the very least you would all died, or on the opposite end, the traitor would be forced out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if you predicted that , there is no way you predicted who the blackened could be unless you had it spoiled.
Agreed. What I didn’t figure out was case 2-4 because the game literally gives you no clues as to who the killer was until just giving you the answer at the end of the trial. Finding out how the victim died even stumped me
They immediately give you the decisive clue: Gundham hearing the alarm despite being in a soundproof room. Admittedly I didn't remember that detail. I still knew it was Gundham because of the meta clue of them spending so much time on making a graphic for the hamsters pressing a button and opening a door for no reason, only moments after explaining Mechamaru's Good Night Switch.
The rooms being sound proofed was reveal until the end of the trial. The only “clue” you’re given is Sonia and Chiaki not leaving their room to investigate the noise even though Hajime didn’t either after hearing it and Nagito never commented on not hearing it either
Nope, made me look it up. Monokuma tells you everything about the rooms when you first enter the house.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fair enough. Gundham still could have been just out of his room regardless just like Fuyuhiko was considering it was 730 in the morning and he could have said he was awake for the morning tai chi session
2 years ago
Anonymous
iirc he arrives after Soda does so that'd be a bit shady, but yeah, the game doesn't make a particularly big deal out of his presence until the late trial. It could make you suspicious if you were particularly attentive about the room details, but I sure as frick wasn't
>still knew it was Gundham because of the meta clue of them spending so much time on making a graphic for the hamsters pressing a button and opening a door for no reason, only moments after explaining Mechamaru's Good Night Switch.
That’s such a tenuous reason that I honestly don’t believe you
That's fair I guess. I sometimes think about these games from the writer's point of view, asking why they put a scene there, especially if they bothered to make graphics for it. It's called conservation of detail. They didn't need to put that scene there, yet they did. It wasn't particularly funny like Hagakure's hamburger CG, and it wasn't an important character moment either. But the game took some time to establish that the hamsters can press buttons, so surely it was going to be relevant at some point, if not now then later. Then when Mechamaru was revealed to be the victim I was like 80% confident it was Gundham and the hamsters were somehow involved.
V3 is probably my least favourite one but I don't hate it. I liked the ending, I just wish the game as a whole deviated more from the formula. I still think it's like a 7/10.
But yes lots of morons here think it "invalidates the first games" or "hates its own fanbase" or shit like that
Eh, I can see why people hate the ending. I understand it, and don't think that it's making fun of the fanbase (How can anyone say that after Shuichi's words in the climax, although they did make him seem somewhat insufferable with how naggy he was) or that it invalidates the previous games (all three games are just as real as each other, which is not at all. So obviously v3 takes place in an AU)
But ultimately the game ruined it's own plot just to make that point. Sure, the plot wasn't that interesting. But I could see someone who didn't feel that way and was highly invested being rubbed the wrong way that 50 hours of speculation ultimately meant nothing. When something becomes too meta it hard to give a shit about anything.
While the ending is shit I can give you an explanation why 4th wall breaking is a very poor decision in mystery games.
In Dangaronpa 1 there was a massive mystery of where we were? How we got there? Who is responsible? WTF happened to our families?
And you know what? Everything got explained through exposition and story reasons. It was satisfying to actually get legitimate answers to these mysteries.
In Danganronpa 3 we have the same questions + why are we in a dome? We are there extra monokumas after 2 games and the anime where we saw our heroes win? I sure hope I get an answer to these questions cuz this is the thing that drives these mystery games in the first place...
LOOOOOOL You fricking idiot it was all just fiction no explanation required, all those theories you had, all the ideas we threw around? All fake. Everythings fake, also frick you player. Oh and the previous worlds are fake too. lol
The point is 4th wall breaking endings remove the responsibility from the writter of explaining how shit works and why things happened. It's a lazy cop out of an ending.
didin't seem like it to me when the demo used characters from the previous games and the ending had Tsumugi dressing up as them, actually you're just wrong.
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BRAVO
proving once again that v3 is one of the greatest works of fiction of all time. Intentionally dabbing on brainlets in your massively popular media work lmao
>The people on the outside world don't represent the player >But it would feel lame if they didin't so I made it feel like they did
Oh so the writer is just moronic, also blatant damage control
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proving once again that v3 is one of the greatest works of fiction of all time. Intentionally dabbing on brainlets in your massively popular media work lmao
>In Dangaronpa 1 there was a massive mystery of where we were? How we got there? Who is responsible? WTF happened to our families? >And you know what? Everything got explained through exposition and story reasons. It was satisfying to actually get legitimate answers to these mysteries.
DR1 has the best structure of all the games and it's horribly underrated for its conventional approach to mystery despite its wacky anime appeal >Introduces all characters, including the headmaster and the culprit from the very beginning using devices like magazines >Introduces the memory element quite literally out of the gate and with Chihiro wondering if they'd met before >Subtle lines like Mondo hearing commotion outside the school (people trying to rescue them) >The mole >Kyoko, the obvious detective, trying to solve the mystery outside of class trials. This also being used as a pretext to explore her character and dynamics with Makoto, culminating in the rift in chapter 4-5 >Twin switch >Chapter 3 has the pictured and Hifumi remembering because his head trauma >Constant allusions to despair and being watched, but it only became a philosophy much later on. >The mastermind actually gets backed into a corner and has to cheat to continue the game. This misstep being their undoing in the end. >No formula. Character deaths have a purpose and bleed into the next chapter in an organic way. (E.g, Mondo and Chihiro affecting Kiyotaka, Hifumi, and the entire group for chapter 3. Or Sakura and Mukuro for chapter's 5 and 6)
DR1 always knew what it wanted to be and never went off the rails. It was a legitimate mystery that answered all that needed to be. And didn't answer what it didn't have to. It never confirms if the mastermind was telling the truth or to what degree
The character thing is kind of true for Makoto, even if in a meta-context. He spent nearly all his time with Sayaka in a 'safe zone', After he was betrayed, the player learns to be reserved with their trust and now has to see what all the other characters that Makoto ignored are about, and he has to do it alone.
DR1 had the best world building and the best "mystery setup" I guess, I still remember seeing those photos of the dead people together and being perplexed. I mean actually solving the mastermind by matching the faces on the pictures? That's pretty cool.
DR2 did not have nearly as much mystery but it had the better cast.
And DR3 just failed on every account
It's why on paper DR1 is the worse Danganronpa game, but the other games have fatal flaws that make DR1 all the more appealing because it is incredibly consistent and contained, and each character has a purpose to the narrative.
adding onto this anon, DR never should've had an overarching narrative and the weakest parts of its sequel are because of it trying to tie it back to the first game.
It not being formulaic was a big thing. With V3 I hoped they'd stray from it, but they still stuck to it too rigidly.
this really was V3's main issue as much as i liked the game, it played most of its cases far too safe, even if its intentional, they could've done more instead of reuse similar concepts almost one for one.
>gnosia and raging loop low tier >investigations hack tier >MIND HACK WILD RIDE hack tier (fair enough, but it was very entertaining and the puzzles were still good) >dual destinies not bottom tier
Holy shit what unfathomably shit taste
after finishing Gnosia I'm convinced that anyone here that didn't like it was either due to there just not being ENOUGH of it, not liking the gameplay loop, or just get really assblasted at the localization fricking up genders which i admit is annoying but not for the same reasons that most of Ganker would sperg about.
>DR never should've had an overarching narrative and the weakest parts of its sequel are because of it trying to tie it back to the first game.
I could not disagree more. The best parts of DR2 were because of the overarching narrative. The only worthwhile mystery was figuring who is controlling Monokuma now and how did everything tie back to DR1. Nagito himself is the biggest and most consistent reference to the first game. A foil and mix of Makoto and Junko. The most hype moments for me all involved him. Then there was
>The documents in chapter 4.
DR2 was a fine sequel and I adamantly believe the franchise should have ended with it. Everything that came afterwards was nonsense or mediocre. AE at most was cool for experiencing the outside world first hand. But that should have been it.
i feel like the statement "best parts of DR2 were overarching narrative" could only be true from the perspective of "Nagito is the biggest reference to the first game" because his insanity really does carry the entire game on its back.
with that said I'd also say the worst parts about DR2 also involve its overarching narrative, every time Junko was reused in the series she got progressively less interesting and fun to the point that even V3 was on its 53rd(54th if you count Ultra Despair Girl's flashbacks) Junko appearance and it was still being eaten up, I guess what i'm saying here is, Junko I feel like worked at her best when she was a one off final boss that was involved with the first game since its start in the background, and every other appearance made her more boring by removing more of her mystery and deciding "yeah we need to explain this comment from the first one". So like overall I guess what I am saying is I liked DR1's mystery aspect so much I preferred some things not being clarified on because the Junko i built up in my head, could in no way, match the Junko that would appear to be canon in later installments, and its DR2's decision to have an overarching plot that the rest of the series would later follow is why I hold must of my negativity from it, inspite that its a good game, inspite of that i loved it when i first played it, inspite of that i thought it was better then 1 almost a decade ago.
took anwhile to type this but hey an actual good DR thread that isn't waifu posting, might as well post something i've wanted to get off my chest for awhile.
I agree the overarching narrative IS for idiots, that's why I only cared about the narratives told in their own individual games. And V3's sucked. What now V3gay
In all seriousness if that's how you feel and your reasoning, that's totally fine. I just get buttmad when I see people ree about v3 doing what it did like the overarching story of DR is even the important part. It's not. The individual stories of each game is the important part.
The fact that the game is fake is ultimately it's only point and doesn't really justify sabotaging dozens of hour of intrigue and speculation even though it was foreshadowed thoroughly. After v3, you're ultimately left with nothing BUT the ending and whether or not Tsumugi was telling the truth.
Every point of discussion or speculation has a definitive and very unsatisfying answer. There really is no point or reason to create a sequel or spin off or even fanfiction in that universe because all intrigue was destroyed with an ending like that.
Not sure if anyone's posted it but remember the unspoken genius of Nagito's trial is that it was the reverse of his russian roulette. He had a 1/6 chance of winning and he did it. In the trial where shit mattered for once, he had a 5/6 of winning, and he lost. Kodaka peaked here.
DR2 > DR1 >> DRV3 >>> DRZero > Killer Killer > DR If > Makoto Naegi's Worst Day Ever > DR3 > DR2.5 >>>>>>> DR:AE
I haven't yet consumed the rest of it.
Spirit of Justice can't be that high when it peaked in the second case.
1 was alright
2 was final case worthy
3 was solid
4 was really good but somehow the most filler case in the franchise. The dissonance gave me whiplash
5-6 were utter garbage. Dirk was the only good thing. Rest was just angst excuse to wank Apollo even if it meant character assassination of Phoenix and making the final boss look like the biggest moron in the setting.
>gnosia and raging loop low tier >investigations hack tier >MIND HACK WILD RIDE hack tier (fair enough, but it was very entertaining and the puzzles were still good) >dual destinies not bottom tier
Holy shit what unfathomably shit taste
AA1 and 3 aren't god tier and I'm tired of pretending they are.
SoJ and JFA need to be in low tier
VLR in mid tier
GAA2 in high tier
AAI2 in god tier
AI in high tier
GAA1 in high tier
AA AJ in mid tier
PK in midtier.
fixed your shit list, KYS.
>AA1 and 3 aren't god tier and I'm tired of pretending they are.
1 is high tier. 3 is god tier. Don't be a homosexual >SoJ
is mid tier or lower high tier. Main story was trash but it had 4 good cases. That's as much as you can ask for a decent AA >VLR
is not worse than 999 and I'm tired of pretending it is. >AI
Explain this one. >GAA1
Absolutely. >AJ
Low-tier
>V3 in high tier, above the original Danganronpa >Spirit of Justice in High Tier >Ace Attorney Investigations in Hack Tier >Apollo Justice all the way down in Hack Tier instead of Mid Tier
what are you doing motherfricker
His philosophy is like slav philosophy taken to logical extreme. It's hilarious and disturbing at the same time. He's also a kind of a benevolent sociopath, which is a rare character type. In fiction that is, but not necessarily in reality.
V3 wasn't bad because the ending was bad. It was bad because the first chapter and the ending were the only original sections. Trials 2-5 were a rehash of the older games, just trying too hard and ending up way too contrived. 3-3 didn't have to happen the way it did, period. 3-5 doesn't even make sense. It is the biggest logistical disaster in the franchise, just because it wanted to outdo 2-5.
Miu was the only V3 character I liked. Unintentional gold by Kodaka. >10/10 >outrageous dialogue >always guesses the killer >coward who breaks down at first resistance, and even gets off to it if you go too hard >acts like a c**t and gets treated like a c**t by everyone (you would be surprised how rare due comeuppance is for this series) >still one of the most useful members >Just wants to be loved and is surprisingly wholesome. Only tries to murder because of one of the only two cases of genuine despair
Her trial was shit though.
you can really tell that Chiaki wasn't made to be an actual human in the second game just by that detail, 3's retcon of making her based off a real human was pointless and dumb.
People are glossing over how Chiaki also helped carry DR2, sure Nagito was the best character in the game but the only reason trial 2-5 had such a big impact was because over the game you really started to care about Chiaki. She was the voice of reason and killing her off was huge. She also had to live up to Kyoko from the previous game and she did.
I love Chiaki without a doubt. The way she was curious about the world around her and how she decided to go against the orders of the future foundation to save everyone really got to me.
How did the people who made the AI version of Chiaki know she had a boob mole?
In DR3 they explained that the AI took the form of Chiaki according to the memory of class 77. They probably remember it from some trip to the beach that they show in the ending.
>because over the game you really started to care about Chiaki
But I didn't
She was one of the better characters(everyone else alive sucked) but I sure wasn't that affected by it
then you're the minority, after her death many YT top lists put Nagito as the worst or second worst character simply for the reason he killed her, I still remember the butthurt to this day
>subhuman youtubers who can't separate their own feelings and morals from rating the quality of each character can't realize he is singlehandedly carrying the game for 5 chapters straight and think he is worst character
you don't need to tell me the majority is always absolutely moronic, I already knew.
Nagito, Fuyuhiko, and Hajime are more interesting characters than her. But, you can disagree and call me a pleb or whatever. That's the truth if you don't like you don't have to reply.
Ow the poor little crybaby is afraid of being called a pleb? If you are truly incapable of understanding the complexity of an AI going against her programming to generate her own free will to help those she learned to love, that's on you.
>Ow the poor little crybaby is afraid of being called a pleb? If you are truly incapable of understanding the complexity of an AI going against her programming to generate her own free will to help those she learned to love, that's on you.
PFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! THAT'S IT!?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You know what, call me a pleb at least I'm not pseudo intellectual moron, HAHAHAHAHA!!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pseudo intellectual moron
Obviously not, you're just a plain old moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
At least say she's hot. That's the only good thing about her, she makes my dick hard but that's about it. But, thanks for the laughs Chiakigay I needed a good one today.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't want to argue any more? Are you afraid of being exposed as the superficial piece of crap you are in an anonymous Taiwanese forum? By the way wrestling is gay as frick.
Kokichi is fine when he's Kokichi because he really does know how to make conversation and play to whoever he's addressing. He's utter dogshit when he's being made Nagito 2.0.
Real Chiaki was a pretty garbage character tbh, how she was written kind of felt like a worse Makoto and completely missing why that kind of character had so much appeal. DR3 really was the worst thing to come out of the franchise.
The real Chiaki was a sweet and tender girl who just wanted to get along with her classmates. It was her naivety and good will that led to her downfall, but overall she is not bad. She tried her best.
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As I played >2 > 1 > V3
After thinking about it further and analyzing their strengths and faults >1 > 2 > V3
Then I stopped taking this shit so seriously and reminded myself that it's primarily entertainment. Weaknesses shouldn't be overlooked but what matters most is how much I enjoyed myself while playing >2 >= 1 > V3
>I despise the community however
The majority of the community is just a revolving door of high schoolers and college kids who can't grow up.
At least they're an easy lay at conventions
Kyoko Kirigiri is objectively the worst character of the entire franchise.
The game also want you to think that this creator's pet and her multiple attempt to get you murdered was completely justified?
For what? To see her dead father's body?
Don't even get me started on every hypocritical shit she did.
>Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
She doesn't try to justify it, even recognized how wrong it was through her failure.
Unlike c**tko who brought up MUH DEAD FATHER
>Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
She doesn't try to justify it, even recognized how wrong it was through her failure.
Unlike c**tko who brought up MUH DEAD FATHER
>Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
Who fricking cares?
[...] >Sayaka apologists
Never trust a b***h.
Nevermind, I didn't see the pic related. Thought you were trying to deflect blame from Kyoko. Carry on your waifu wars. The thread is already over anyway
What do you do in these games? Like what is the gameplay? Is it just walls of text and occasionally you have to make a decision that doesn't really change the story?
Your pic is from one of the best parts of the game, that's why. Dude was bat shit crazy and constantly knew his plot armor would get him out of crazy situations.
Case 4 Nagito is an underrated experience. It's where you learn he really believes a lot of what he says and that he's legitimately crazy. He doesn't understand why the things he does pisses people off. Ironically, it makes him a more sensible character than Kokichi, who was well within his right mind.
I don't give a shit about the ending or REAL or FICTION. V3 is shit because it made you replay the same fricking game a third time all to shill a twist at the end. Unacceptable.
>V3psics actually defending this shit >3-3 has a double murder for no fricking reason, making the culptrit look like an actual moron >3-4 Has a bara "sacrifice" death, again for no fricking reason. Thereby making Kokichi look like a fricking butthole which contradicts his own philosophy and makes him an even worse character for the next chapter. >3-5 is an attempt to blow out 2-5 and fails on every fricking front because it tries too hard to make Kokichi be Nagito, only Kokichi doesn't fricking have luck so they turned into a magician who can predict the future but still get totally bamboozled by the mastermind
Do you enjoy eating shit? Seriously, I'm curious?
Nihilistic not giving a frick attitude then a twist that he planned way ahead makes for an interesting character. juxtaposition in other words... he doesn't give a FRICK but oh wait he gave more of a frick than anyone!
He always gave a frick just not about himself
fujobait
relatable
he's a schizoid and Ganker likes when their kind is represented in vidya
i like chaotic characters
>figures everything out on his own
>blows the island up
>corrals everyone into one area
>kills himself
>refuses to elaborate
>makes an unsolvable case halting the killing game in its tracks
>forces the impostor reveal
>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
>ended up helping the villain
>all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
>the protag is the one to actually do something about the villain with the power of friendship
Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
he did, speedreader-kun, he wanted the impostor to survive. the only thing he didn't anticipate was that the impostor would choose to out herself to save the others
To be fair it's been so long I've played that I don't remember everything about the plot, but fair enough. Still doesn't change that it was pointless.
Kek
>this doesn't make sense because I don't remember the game
I think in the post trial they even state that he wanted ONLY the imposter to survive.
That's not what I said, as I said above I was just shitposting based on my memory and I made a mistake, no big deal. Doesn't change the rest of what I said though.
Once they figured out that Nagito's luck was deciding the trial, couldn't they have just blind voted for someone knowing that his luck would make them vote for the right person? If you know luck has a hand in it and is basically the deciding factor, wouldn't a blind majority vote end up with Chiaki as the majority vote because Nagito's luck was based on his desire to have the traitor be outed? Even if they didn't know who the traitor was themselves, Nagito's luck would have the results of a blind vote end with Chiaki as majority, wouldn't it? The idea being that if you trust Nagito's luck to guide you like he trusted it, then it would just work out in the end.
He wanted the traitor to survive though so his luck would result in a random vote not going to Chiaki.
If Izuru's intention was to save everyone, his luck probably would make sure Chiaki had the majority votes, DR3 showed that either his luck is stronger than Nagito's or invalidates it.
he wasn't Izuru at the time though, and Izuru didn't care for Chiaki that much anyways
It doesn't matter that he wasn't Izuru at the time, his plan was already in motion and he doesn't seem like the type to leave everything to fate. If he didn't care about Chiaki then he also didn't care about the others, in which case he wouldn't have put them in the simulation, he had nothing to gain from going along with Junko's plans. Him crying when Chiaki died in DR3 disproves your claim anyway.
>he lets her die anyways
What do you want me to say? He's an experiment that was supposed to have no feelings, her death seems to have awakened his feelings and that's probably why he planned on saving her classmates with the simulation. This is all conjecture though, I don't remember if his plan or motivation was ever explained, so we can just guess. My theory at least is better than "he did it for lolz", unless you have another motive in mind.
>unless you have another motive in mind.
but he literally did it for the shits and giggles
Proof?
he just wanted to see if hope or despair was more insteresting since he probably could see all outcomes and gets bored easily, basically Junko autism but toned down
The fact that he has all abilities should tone up the autism if he had it. That said, if you don't have proof from any of the games, animes, novels or an interview, that's just your opinion, which is fine, it makes sense even, but I disagree.
pretty sure it was implied in the anime that he follows Junko's plans because of it
Up to Chiaki's death sure, but what I'm talking about is his own plan, he went out of his way to ask her to erase DR2's cast's memories of him, to get her AI from Kurokuma and Shirokuma and installed it in the simulation. The latter was part of Junko's plan or at least her AI's sure, but not even her understood why he asked her to erase the memories or at least it wasn't explicitly said she did. Point is that he didn't have to do any of that if he was just going along with Junko's plan for the lolz.
Guess he was just unlucky
Well they defeated Monokuma and broke out of the simulation and saved everyone too, so it looks like everything turned out how nagito would like it after all.
Nagito's plan was flawless for his only goal, hope.
He was winning no matter what.
>ended up helping the villain
At that point in the story they were all going to slowly dwindle away and the big reveal was going to happen at the center of the island well before they did anything about it. They were boned without Nagito's intervention.
>all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
How was anyone supposed to account for that?
>the big reveal was going to happen at the center of the island well before they did anything about it. They were boned without Nagito's intervention.
What? No, they would've been fine without his dumbass plan. The only difference is they lost Chiaki.
>How was anyone supposed to account for that?
My point was that no matter how important or awesome his actions may have been, it was all pointless even if he didn't know that. I was just shitposting though.
That said, he didn't even bother to talk to Chiaki about it, if he did he may have found out the truth (I don't remember if her programming forbid her from revealing anything) and they could've worked together to maybe have her regain control of the simulation. I doubt it would've changed anything though, everything was going according to Izuru's plan I assume.
>>didn't figure out that the impostor was on their side
Nagito wanted Chiaki to come out and explain the identity of everyone else as world-class terrorists in "rehab", though she'd never do that so he ended up only giving them a critical clue to the case. This was his only frickup really.
up helping the villain
Junko wanted to either bring back everyone from the simulation as remnants with all their past fricked up memories intact or turn them all into botched copies of her. Nagito's goal goes against both of these since he wanted to get every student killed in both the simulation and by extension in real life.
>>all he did was for nothing since it was just a simulation
Read above. Future Foundation needed at least one survivor to abort or start anew, but Nagito was planning on leaving none.
>>the protag is the one to actually do something about the villain with the power of friendship
And he couldn't have done jackshit if he died in 2-5, an unsolvable case in a game where you had to solve cases to survive. Even with the schizo deduction about Nagito wanting to save Chiaki, the vote was ultimately a russian roulette.
>Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
I could give you a full list but let's just keep at this, yeah?
1. It was already pointed out that I misremembered.
2. His intentions don't matter, my point was that his actions ended up helping the villain, though to be fair it was ultimately Chiaki's decision, he just didn't count on that.
3. A good point, if he had accomplished his goal it wouldn't have been for nothing from his perspective, but since DR3 establishes that somehow they were able to bring back the people who died, it's fair to say all he did was pointless since it was a simulation, though you can argue that the only reason that miracle happened is because Hajime/Izuru survived and got out.
4. Which wouldn't have been a problem if Nagito hadn't enacted his plan in the first place. You could also argue that Izuru accounted for that since he has every ability, including Junko's and Nagito's, so either some miracle would happen and everyone would survive or his luck would trigger causing a majority vote against Chiaki and her dying anyway.
5. I know there are worse characters than him, even withing the DR2 cast, I was just shitposting, I thought that last line made it obvious.
I forgot, the fifth trial was likely going to end that way anyway because it's what Junko wanted. Iirc Monokuma claimed he did know who the culprit was when it was pointed out that it was impossible to know who threw the right bottle, but unless he proved that there's no evidence he was telling the truth. If we assume that he knew because Junko's AI could see everything within the simulation, we can also assume that she can rig the votes and cause Chiaki's death. I think there was some plot point against that, something like she couldn't alter the rules of the simulation, but who's to say she wouldn't find a way to rig the vote.
I think I remembered, she couldn't cause the death of anyone through her actions, but I don't remember the extent of that, maybe she could've left some clues implying that Chiaki is the impostor prior to the trial, would that count as causing her death? It would still be up to the others voting on her, so who knows.
Monokuma had cameras around every corner. If the people guessed wrong he'd probably show footage of Nagito placing the bottle and the culprit picking it up. But Monokuma can do whatever the frick he wants (see 1-5) so he could roll with whichever vote they had and proceed to 2-6 since killing all remnants would be a boring conclusion for Junko.
I know of the cameras, but I'm not sure if they capture every single corner, plus since it's a simulation the cameras are effectively useless, I don't think Junko's AI needs them to see everything. You're right, the result ultimately didn't matter to her.
Why is this image very horny?
It’s symbolic as Nagito killed Chiaki with his own suicide. Making a little sexy is a bonus
She dosent seem too botherd having a spray through her gut but alright
It’s because she voluntarily sacrificed herself to save everyone else, anon
YES BUT EVEN IF I DID THAT I WOULDNT SMILE WITH A SPEAR THROUGH MY GUT ANON I WOULD GLADLY TAKE A BULLET FOR YOU BUT DONT EXPECT ME TO NOT SCREAM IN PAIN AFTERWORDS
What part of “symbolic” do you not understand, moron? In game she dies from a giant tetris block falling on her then blowing up
Symbolism is a bolshevik scam i dont trust them
I just realized the real Chiaki died from a spear through her stomach as well. Damn…
>real chiaki
what
The one from DR3.
what
I only played DR1, DR2 and V3
since when has there been a real chiaki
Since 2016.
In the DR3 anime they retconned it so that Chiaki was a real person. She was the class president, she got all the DR2 students to become friends, and then Junko brutally killed her in front of them. That's how they became Ultimate Despair. AI Chiaki (the one that appears in DR2) was just based on their beloved former classmate, since she brought them together in the first place, they believed she could do it again.
>Name a more pathetic character than Nagito.
me
Tetureru? Come on man
Then again, Nagito legit wanted a gold statue of him
All that self pity talk was uber bullshit
>All that self pity talk was uber bullshit
Yes. In the end, Nagito's a narcissist literally incapable of seeing outside the box. He projected his views onto others, but after realizing they were frickups AND seeing that an ultimate lucky student student became the ultimate hope, he wanted that for himself. This guy whose entire philosophy is that talents are chosen from birth and worth cannot be changed. He was pathetic and a hypocrite.
What do we think of Kokichi?
The only salvageable character in that dumpster fire created to give the fans a middle finger.
>how to spot a shitter
Pretty great.
Tumblr bait character, just like Miu.
I wanted to like him but he was completely and utterly outplayed by the mastermind, Kaede was more effective than him and she was a baka.
he's funny and does things in the plot even if he is also annoying
genuinely fricking stupid
He was a fun wild card character. You never knew what he was up to.
Fun character, he had potential but the game's plot ended up trying to make him be Nagito 2.0 in the fifth chapter and it didn't work.
Absolutely based
Never gonna play V3
>Never gonna play V3
cope
shitty nagito knockoff
Pretty good but ultimately not smart enough to outdo the mastermind. Was important enough in getting to bottom of things though
Miu was ultimately more important (her gadgets) and he took care of that so frick him though
Great character in a shit game
He was obnoxious and petty the entire game and the attempt to redeem him rubbed me the wrong way. Nagito worked because he's legitimately out of his fricking mind, Kokichi doesn't because it feels like everything he does is out of spite.
Interesting, but poorly handled, not to mention the way the game tries to make it seem like he was just pretending to be evil was pretty asinine, when a lot of the shit he did seemed unnecessarily vile. Not to mention the shit with Gonta.
Like a Bully being an butthole to "toughen" up his victim. You're still an butthole, buddy.
moron who's actions lead to the worst case in all of the DR games
Which one?
He's like Nagito if he was a dickhead
We kin him
Worse than Hopeman.
Nagito 2, with every likeable characteristic taken away.
Le windcard twink eggsdee
He gets a free pass by me because he’s shotabait
>uses his mental illness to save everyone
truly the ultimate hope
>guy
Best boi. Get fricked if you think otherwise.
I don't know either. He's not the most unlikable of DR2's cast, but his popularity still makes no sense to me, maybe it's that "I can fix him" mentality.
He is the only interesting char in DR2, even if he is a dickhead. In fact he carries the entire trainwreck that is that game and manages to somewhat slow down the crash a bit.
>Best game in the series is a trainwreck
Really shows how mediocre the franchise was.
The series as a whole is a train wreck, I think that's one of the reasons people like it, it's supposed to be crazy and nonsensical. That may also explain why people dislike the boring brainwashing plot that DR3 introduced, it was the laziest way they could've gone about it. DR should've ended with 2, maybe with UDG.
It's a guilty pleasure series for sure. Fans do almost nothing but shit on it, but still enjoyed it overall.
Me too. If they ever release a new game I'll probably play it.
Semi agree.
Brainwashing makes the most logical sense and is a great tool, to have it be an Ultimate student
Having it be the way Junko corrupts the students? Lazy. Should have been personalized for each one; but you could still have the tipping point being Chiaki dying.
To be fair with them, I think the brainwashing doesn't work or at least not properly if they're not already feeling despair, otherwise there would be no reason for the Chiaki thing or for Mukuro to have to directly mess with Yoshizome's brain. Also, no matter what method Junko used, people would find a reason to dislike it or complain about it, even if it was individual, there would be at least one people wouldn't like. The whole "made the whole world fall into despair" was interesting because it was a mystery how she accomplished that, once it's revealed that's lost.
Aside from that though Junko's character is mostly intact, she's still the Ultimate Analyst that managed to manipulated several people to make things go her way. Personally I would've found it more interesting if the world had fallen into despair just because of what she did to Hope's Peak since ever since the first game it was pointed out how the school was a big deal all over the world. They'd still have to think of individual things from the DR2 cast, but surely they could think of something other than brainwashing for a small group of people.
>Personally I would've found it more interesting if the world had fallen into despair just because of what she did to Hope's Peak
That was her plan: she had caused havoc and destruction but there was still hope. The plan was to ruin the world's future (these kids), their greatest hope (the best of us), to drive them to despair
>people would always have an issue
Exactly. The franchise isn't perfect but FRICK if I didn't have loads of fun and got shocked by the twists.
People discuss "oh but plotholes" as if the plotholes in DR are generally smaller ones, vs story breaking ones in most modern shows.
>The franchise isn't perfect but FRICK if I didn't have loads of fun and got shocked by the twists.
I agree, no matter what they did with the series after 2, I still liked and had fun with the first two games and even with V3, the anime had it's moments too. If I really had to point one thing they could've done differently is bringing Junko back. Don't get me wrong, I liked DR2 and the plot twist was interesting, but she did peak at the end of DR1.
Delude yourself all you want, DR2 is the worst one.
Delude yourself all you want, you're in the minority for thinking that.
D2 is literally the best one. I don’t even know how anyone could think V3 was better unless they just have terminally shit taste
DR2's cast is literal dogshit outside of hopeman.
Must suck having severe brain damage
Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks, Ibuki sucks, Mikan and Hiyoko suck, SHIIIIITman sucks and the robot gimmick was moronic, Souda and Akane are the worst survivors in the series. You cannot dispute this.
>Imposter is literally just a red herring, Teruteru sucks
They were first case fodder so who fricking cares?
Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Hiyoko is meant to be hated so who cares
Nekomaru was based as frick
And Souda and Akane were literally better versions of Yasuhiro and Aoi
Only Peko and Fuyuhiko genuinely sucked which is two out of 16 characters when the other two games have a worse ratio than that
>Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Based.
>it's slippery when wet
what did she mean by this
You know exactly what she means.
My on my knees right in front of her, she's pushing my head against her crotch.
>Heeeellooooooooo!
Literally too good for this world
Ibuki is the purest girl.
Literally made for procreational love making and forehead kisses
Exactly.
Cute.
She doesn't want them to slip and fall like Mikan did earlier
akane is fricking trash. at least aoi actually helped perpetrate one of the cooler cases of dr1.
also, literally just being a new version of an old character is a bad thing, not a good thing.
>Souda a better version of Yasuhiro
I can see someone believing any one of your other points, but soda just becomes a Sonia simp stupid early. He got so goddamn annoying over the duration of the game.
At least Yasuhiro was endearing with his moronation.
Souda was the most realistic character in the game and probably acted the way most of us losers would have in the same situation Yasuhiro was just legitimately moronic
God I wish I could wrap my hands around your little troony neck and snap it like a fricking twig
Souda was better than Hagakure that's certain but Asahina is below "MUH EAT MUH FIGHT" in your mind? You may not have brain damage but you must've hit your head or something
>Souda was better than Hagakure that's certain
Is it though? Hagakure can be funny, and he's not a one-dimensional caricature or a cuck either. He actually feels like one of the family by the end of the game.
Hagakure is an aquired taste https://youtu.be/j-EfjMMwYo4?t=1598
>doesn't like Chiaki
>not even Gundham
ywnbaw
Chiaki is Sonia-tier to me, irrelevant and pretty bland in the grand scheme of things. Gundham's a madlad for russian roulette but he isn't enough to drag the rest of the cast up.
>Ibuki and Mikan were both the cutest girls in the series
Absolute knuckledragging moron-tier take, but I guess you can't expect much from a Mikangay. You are right that Peko is so fricking boring that I forgot she existed entirely, though.
this. the trials are good but the sdr2 kids are just so shit and the ones that ARE decent are wiped out in the first half of the game
especially fricking souda AND akane being survivors
>Akane keeps bringing up Nagito's dick during the entire 5th trial
I won't deny that he's interesting for his role in the plot, but he's not likeable in the least to me.
Nah, people just appreciate him as a villain and the awkward dynamic he brings to the group.
You're not supposed to genuinely like the guy, he's an insufferable piece of shit.
An agent of chaos that was smart enough to be helpful or hurtful in an impactful manner.
it triggers the "I can fix him" natural response of women that are fated to be abused and killed.
His purpose in life and death is to troll.
unironically sex appeal
Just imagine the possibilities. Is rape against the rules!?
He constantly keeps you guessing and on your toes.
Probably has military training alongside his luck, because he is a very resourceful individual.
thoughts on him?
Ripoff of Kokichi and a bit of Nagito.
Kinda interesting but they do not succeed in making him anyway likable.
he peaked at the end of the case where you can get him killed
if you choose to save him he goes back to being a boring schizo
He is written better and has actual character flaws. Things never go his way despite him pretending to be muh smart keikaku man, compare this to nagito or kokichi
Who?
There's a DR ripoff that's not bad, but some autist on Ganker used to spam it saying it's FAR greater than DR and so fricking good.
It's truly not bad but he was beyond delusional. He fricked off when he got his ass destroyed, proving it was a ripoff of DR, when we posted images of if 1 for 1 ripping off the Island postgame of DR2.
I'd argue that it's more like a ZE game with a DR cast
That's probably a decent enough assessment. It doesn't have the metaphysical that ZE does, but I see your point.
Cast is 120% DR as you said.
I looked it up and I remember seeing the site in the past, didn't play it though.
It's decent enough, but not finished. Kinda liked the music too.
There were some issues with it too, but I like that they try to do split pathways.
FRICK WHEN IS THE NEXT CHAPTER?? IS NANKIDAI STILL ALIVE??
too busy shitposting on twitter and jerking off to kanna doujins
>kanna doujins
link?
Didn't you get the memo? 2 years later and he is still too busy fapping on v tubers
>Weak as shit
>His 'mindgames' constantly backfire on him
>Has a 0% percent win chance despite larping as his abusive, psychopathic childhood friend
Midori is more interesting AND gets his own personal sex slave Shin
Reminder: DR1 is the best game in the series and Makoto is the best protagonist
why hope boy makes everyone seethe so much?
Because his determination to move forward no matter what and total refusal to accept the nihilism of Junko’s despair is something seldom seen in modern life. There are people who would look at the stagnant but safe Bad Ending that choose it over moving forward into an uncertain, possibly scary future that is nevertheless filled with possibilities
You're alright
I disagree, I like Hajime more and both games have it's good and bad parts, I'd say they're equally good.
DR1 had worst characters as they were basic tropes. How can you like it more than the latter games?
that's V3
DS1 they were just tropes
Weeby incel
Gothic maid
Gangster
V3 had more nuances.
You COULD argue that the worst of the worst were in v3 (but with the fatfrick in DR1 being #1), but overall v3 had stronger ones.
>overall v3 had stronger ones.
such as?
V3 characters just sucked ass and I didn't care for any of them except maybe Oma
Oma, robot dude, entomologist, maki, spaceman, detective bro, piano guy, little witch, and tennis dude.
sistercon and bawd aren't half bad.
thinking bad actually made me realize how many characters I liked.
I think DR1's bad characters REALLY drag it down because they had gold too.
>Oma, Miu, Keebo
I liked them
>Shuichi,Gonta, Kaede, Ryoma
meh
>himiko, kaito,maki,korekiyo
lol
lmao even
Your tastes make zero sense. How do you like fricking Keebo but not Kaito?
he was based and Kaito an annoying piece of shit
and the game doesn't force you to deal with his tantrums and delusions of being a MC
Yeah, Keebo ended being based in the end how do you even interpret Kaito like that when he's the only guy in the cast that isn't doomer gay? His relationship to Shuichi is legit one of the best arcs in all of Dangan.
If you played Persona 3, i bet you dislike Junpei too.
Nta, but are you comparing Kaito to Junpei? Junpei was a piece of shit to you since the beginning and he only changed when he got pussy.
How the frick do you not like shuichi, ryoma, Kaito, or maki?
How the frick can you even like Maki
What's wrong with her? She's the icy on the outside character that grows to like you
She's not amazing but that's a totally fine trope and her deal with you and ryoma makes it work
butthole characters that are actually vulnerable is such an annoying and overplayed trope and I have zero sympathy for people like that in real life because of how much I go out of my wait to be nice or at least courteous to other people
Weird hang up but I get it I guess. Out of all of the tropes to gripe about I find it one of the least offensive though
The general grievances people have for her character that I generally agree with, is that her character arc is a dime a dozen, and she doesn't do anything new that makes her stand out. She's also the author's pet character; her along with Kaito got away with practically everything and make them in the right and it's infuriating. The fact she didn't get called out for endangering everyone's lives in chapter 5 for her incredibly selfish actions is a big example of this.
A personal gripe from my end I don't like is that the v3 characters spout catchphrases and they repeat them constantly which eats up dialog, and her "do you want to die?" got old fast.
D2 is better because the theme of redemption and choosing to move forward while living with the consequences of your past is so much more interesting than being optimistic about entering the chaotic and unpredictable adult world after graduating from high school. I genuinely felt terrible for the D2 cast because how absolutely fricked their situation was
Yeah but the ones in DR1 died for real
V3 isn’t canon so everyone but the last five are braindead vegetables
>I genuinely felt terrible for the D2 cast because how absolutely fricked their situation was
And then it ended and it was all a dream. Great plot.
Their bodies were still mutilated, their friends and families were still dead, and they were still mass murderers that helped destroy society. Are you genuinely stupid or are you just being willfully moronic?
Never happened 🙂
>because the theme of redemption and choosing to move forward while living with the consequences of your past is so much more interesting than being optimistic about entering the chaotic and unpredictable adult world after graduating from high school
And then you remember that absolutely nothing of value was done with that.
We got to see the Class 76 as Ultimate Despair members for what amounted to what, 2 minutes in the DR3 anime? Less?
And when do we see them suffer remorse for their actions as Ultimate Despair? Ah, yes... we don't.
I don’t give a frick about D3 or it’s fricking anime. When I played D2, D3 wasn’t even in preproduction. Besides, it’s obviously a half though-out afterthought retroactively tacked on to the previous games and not a planned out third part of a continuing story
>I don’t give a frick about D3 or it’s fricking anime.
It's the same thing.
1 or 2 minutes, and at the very fricking end of the game.
The fact remains that nothing of value was done with that even if you (understandbly) want to headcanon DR3 out of existence.
The point of the story is to not linger on the past so the five survivors choose to move forward with their lives instead of fallong back into despair, dingus. In other words, it doesn’t matter who they were or what they did, what matters is who they choose to be
Saihara > All
>Saihara, good.
Get off the PC Basedhara does not give a shit about you.
he's the most entertaining part of the game
This.
How is there even a thread about this?
Is Ganker TRULY just a mob of autists?
Says the guy who likes the biggest autist in the series.
Biggest autist =/= bad character
Come on, you're making staggeringly bad arguments.
I didn't say he's a bad character, I was just pointing out how you're calling Ganker a mob of autists while defending the biggest DR autist.
Yea, because autists don't understand human thinking and feelings, as to why they'd like a character like him.
There's no irony or strangeness to this.
The irony is that you're defending a character that's exactly like the people you're criticizing. It's no big deal man, I'm not saying you can't like him, I think he's an interesting character even though I don't like him.
Bro, if you think Nagito's only characteristic is his autism, you're just as autistic.
Stop trying to one up people and start thinking. A mastermind who is trying to get his desired outcome to happen via anything. Playing good guy and bad guy when needed etc.
And if you REALLY want to think about it: Nagito's autism is vastly different from Ganker's autism. They are not the same mental disorder.
Nowhere did I say that, I just pointed out his autism because you're calling out Ganker's autism, that's all. You're the one making a big deal out of this, I simply pointed out something funny and even after I said that it's fine that you like him you continue to have a meltdown, calm your breasts, you're embodying Ganker's autism right now.
Kek, glad you're here to tell us Nagito isn't right of mind.
I wasn't even talking about the character in my first reply, I just made a joke that someone was defending an autist while calling others autists and like classic Ganker the person had a meltdown over it, that just made it more funny to me.
Your mistake is assuming anyone who take written text as a joke. Sarcasm doesn't translate well into written speech.
There's no meltdown, just an honest discussion, should have just made your point of "its a joke" early on.
True, I should've added a kek or something to my first reply, but you also didn't have to extend things for so long, guess we've both made mistakes.
I thought you were serious. It's okay, we can make peace. meet me at queens square at 17:00 tomorrow and we'll duel for our dignities.
I'll see you there.
Despair
but also Hope!
but despair...
and hope...
why does this series have so much gay porn
Fujos love it.
some of the male characters were straight up designed for fujoshis to drool over, from "I can fix him" like Nagito and Gundham to "omg he's so cool" like Byakuya and Kaito
>byakuya
>cool
The imposter in DR2 is.
One of my favorite fat guys in all of media.
Why did Fat Byakuya have to die for our sins?
Who would win?
Nagito. Beatrice isn't that clever.
hopeman and its not even fricking close, this b***h is barely smarter than battler who is a complete moron
Nagito, he already solved Umineko offhand in his game.
Sweet babymaking with Asahina.
Asahina is a bawd
I hated him but I did appreciate his dedication to frick everyone over.
Tomboys are best girls.
Source?
Too many damaged white girls like him so i cant bring myself to like him, same thing with kokichi
That's gay. I get it but you can't let idiots dictate who you like.
Did you play Shadowbringers? You wouldn't HATE Emet, just because girls go insane for him?
I Don't play ff14 but I get what you mean, I know its a moronic way of thinking but I cant help but feel the "those normies like it so I cant like it anymore" feeling sometimes though I try to ignore it more now. Despite this Miu and junko are my favorite dangans lol
Yea I get it. I feel contrarian sometimes as well.
if you have infinite patience (and if you played DR, you do), Shadowbringers is 10000% worth it.
People would like Miu more if they knew she's an autist.
Too bad she tried to get everyone killed for some...reason.
She wanted to get out, killing kokichi wasn't a bad call and she felt bad anyway
Everyone wanted to get out. Besides, if I recall the reason why she tried to kill Kokichi is because she was afraid of getting betrayed by him...
Yet decides to betray everyone else first.
Not to mention you have to be a fricking moron to commit a legitimate murder after Shuichi btfo every blackened at that point.
I love Miu but she's a total moron and I did not like that trial at all
You aren't wrong even though I'd like to argue more about it
If you know it's moronic, stop doing it
>I can't help but
Yes, you can.
>It's another "le epic Gankerner can't like something because other people like it" episode
Seriously, the hell is wrong with this place? I have never seen a site be this collectively moronic before
For me it's the opposite, I met my current gf because we both liked Junko.
Chad move. At least its not Mikan.
>his gf is a Junkogay
Run
He’s genuinely insane
He wasn’t lying about the frontotemporal dementia and lymphoma
He’s a funny parody of Makoto from the first game. He’s also legitimately crazy due to having severe dementia and stage 3 lymphoma which makes him actually interesting
>He’s also legitimately crazy due to having severe dementia and stage 3 lymphoma
Wait, what the frick? When did this happen?
In his free time event he finally confesses that he is going to die in a year to a year and a half. Turns out his luck balances itself out so for everything good that happens to him something equally bad happens and vice versa, which is the reason he’s both hopeful and full of despair
Only fujos do.
Nagito: Sorry I'm gay junko san.
Wrong in both accounts
Hes gay to, now close thread.
Visual novels are dogshit
For me it's Celeste.
She was a huge favorite of mine. Too bad she died.. but hey, she took out worst character.
based, Ishimaru was an annoying piece of shit by that point
Exactly. He was okay for his FTE and earlier moments but he really fell to shit by chapter 3.
I like her mental breakdowns, it's one of the few cases where the dub is better, she genuinely sounds insane.
danganronpa is 100% a dub game. It's done very well.
Celeste is a real name, Celes isn't. That's my guess and the difficulty in translation. It's a minor thing. It's not like they made it Catherine.
>danganronpa is 100% a dub game. It's done very well.
nu Ganker having shit taste as always
I'll slightly rephrase it: it's a game you play with English dub and not anything except Nagito VA= Makoto VA (which is not a big deal).
The voice acting done in English is comparable to the Japanese VA
and I understand Japanese perfectly. Played it English and watched it Japanese.
well I agree some VA's do a good job
but overall the jp voices are better
I honestly don't know. I think V3 had better Jap voices but I have some bad memories of earlier ones. maybe you're right. I don't feel like checking, but I do know I definitely like V3 Jap more than English. And POSSIBLY like D2 Eng more.
JP dub is better by virtue of not reusing the same VA with the same tone and inflection to voice multiple characters. I only played V3 in EN dub, and while I did eventually warm up to the whole experience, the finale was off-putting for the stated reason. God knows how I would have felt if I had played the previous games in EN dub as well.
>reusing the same VA with the same tone and inflection to voice multiple characters
Things that never happened.
>who is Megumi Ogata
>Celeste is a real name, Celes isn't. That's my guess and the difficulty in translation. It's a minor thing. It's not like they made it Catherine.
It's supposed to be her nickname, Celestia is the name even in the localization, that's why the nickname being changed from Celes to Celeste is moronic. Btw, I can't believe this thread is still alive.
Probably because it actually had some interesting discussion, instead of just waifu posting
I can fix her.
It's unreal how much more attractive she is as Taeko.
She looks super comfy.
I'm probably biased cause I played the game instead of watching the anime but I honestly prefer her game va waaay more. Her fake accent breaking whenever she lost her cool was a nice touch
Have this vid, it compares the same scene in games and anime and in both English and Japanese.
To this day I don't know why the frick did they change her nickname to Celeste, it makes no fricking sense, the nickname is supposed to shorten her fake name, but this one is just one letter short. What did they have against Celes?
Alright but who is getting killed first?
Hopefully everyone. How do we decide it though?
The rules of DR are actually quite random so I have no clue.
I love Mikan!
I want to protect Mikan!
I want to show Mikan what true love is!
Mikan’s voice actor was horrible. Sonia’s was pretty atrocious too but I assume the annoying robot voice was intentional due to her being a foreigner
I assume you're talking about dub, because Mikan's sub had the most memorable preference for me.
Specifically when she goes nuts, the actress went in super hard.
>he plays dub
In Japanese she is crazy good tho
i haven't listened to dub but it seems it's good which is very rare for games in general
Radiates Sans energy
Fook man. Falcon love the danganronpa series. Wish I could experience them all for the first time again. Hopefully they make a Danganronpa 4, but after the ending of V3, I doubt it
I heard some rumors they might make a new one.
cute twink
he was a chaotic shitposter
He was entertaining as frick and kept things fresh. This fricker was the first one in the series to sore wa chigau yo your ass in the middle of a trial. Do you know how mindblowing that was coming off DR1?
Actually no it was Mahiru
but the real as in real actual quote yeah it was him
it didnt really register to me that he was meant to be a red herring all along
Why does no one ever talk about how shitty the endings of these games are? Each one gets worse somehow.
How does D2 have a shitty ending?
>lol it's all a simulation and the villain who died isn't really dead!
It’s not like it was foreshadowed throughout the entire game and the stinger of the previous one… oh wait…
Who gives a frick about D3? Just because it retroactively ruins the story doesn’t mean to original story wasn’t good beforehand. Also it was never stated what talents Izuru had and the idea was meant to be antithetical to Makoto being a self-made hero in the first game
DR3 literally makes SDR2's entire story filler.
Hinata acting like a brat and crying that he wasn't special, then giving him all the powers makes him the shittiest protag.
Did you play it? DR2's ending is wasted potential and nothing more than an information dump. Other games at least try to have their characters interact with the mystery and solve shit. DR2 just tells you everything. Then when you lose, the chiaki voice in your head makes you go super saiyan to win. It's entertaining at first, but is too passive for a finale. It doesn't help that DR2 is the game that suffers most retroactively.
Wanted more interactions where they shit on each other. Hate the main story for killing off best boy Ishimaru like they did.
cause everyone else in that game is a non character besides the yakuza guy
Hot emo boy.
I was honestly surprised how much I really ended up liking Chiaki. Didn’t realize she was main girl until she took the reigns at the end of the second trial. I just thought she was popular because of the cute awkward gamer girl thing but she really was best girl in the end
he's literally me
Unpredictable insane man that is neither exactly hostile nor helpful
Also delivers the best case in the series
Generally just a fun character that elevates the whole game
>foil/parallel to Makoto, keeps you thinking about what his deal is
>seemingly an agent of chaos but has clear motives once everything's laid out
>drives the plot forward even more than the protagonist does
>luck is an interesting talent to see put to use, especially when it seemed to be barely existent in Makoto
>cool design
>unironically the smartest character from any of the games
Never like the fact he didn’t have an absolute mental meltdown after finding out that the students, including him, were Ultimate Despair. Instead he just acted like a passive aggressive b***h. Seemed really out of character as it felt like something that would have completely mindfricked him
>drives the plot forward even more than the protagonist does
I know this isn't what your point is, but yeah, obviously. Protagonists in a storytelling sense exist to prevent change and protect the status quo, while antagonists enact change that spurs the hero into action. If Nagito wasn't trying to put a gun to the group's collective heads every five minutes then most of them would've just hung out and been friendly, but he was constantly making everyone paranoid and on-edge.
For me, it's the Mechanic.
Kind of hard imagining him as a mass murdering lunatic. He’s pretty much just a nerd
Me too. Guy is a coward, and somewhat of an empath if his reactions to his classmates dying/being injured is anything to go by. My HC is that Junko pushed him to the brink of insanity.
It's not THAT hard to imagine.
>Some of you are alright. Don't go to Hope's Peak tomorrow.
Incel nerds walk into highschools with assault rifles and commit mass murder every other month.
*filters normalgays*
how does he do it?
funny
I like the conversation after he learns the truth where he immediately starts talking about a book he read where the twist at the end is the main character was the killer the whole time, and Hajime isn't even really paying attention.
Case 4 Nagito is great. On your first playthrough you're just wondering why he's being such an butthole to Hajime all of a sudden, but on a second playthrough you realize everything he says makes sense.
The "book" he talks about is Danganronpa Zero, which is the prequel novel where the amnesiac main character turns out to be Junko herself . Shame it got retconed by DR3.
He has an extremely interesting view on the world and sticks to his principles til the end. Also god tier voice acting. Dubgays not included of course.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
I can't even be mad, it was such a wild ride
Anyone who says V3 was an insult to the fans is either a moron or hasn't watched this shit
He wasn't talkin about the V3. The anime legitimately is an insult to the fans though.
Missed the point. Anon implies that anyone who says V3 is an insult to the fans hasn't watched DR3 because DR3 is a far greater insult.
>games imply junko oozed charisma and manipulated everyone with wits and her bullshit analytical abilities
>then DR3 comes and lmao it's all just brainwashing with hope anime
Future arc was at least kind of funny and made for good memes and fun threads. Despair arc was a complete mistake and I was better off not knowing what happened to 2's cast back in school.
I think there were 2 good parts of Despair arc: the First Killing Game and Chiaki's death. I think the brainwashing would've been better left to the player's imagination, because that kind of charisma is impossible to show off in writing.
I liked it
because he's literally me of course
he's fricking nuts and his presence makes the universe nuts and it's fun to watch
Women like him because he's fujobait who they can fix with their veganas.
Men like him because he's a madlad keikaku master with gamebreaking luck that constantly pulls hilarious bullshit out of his ass
IS THAT LE CRAZY HOPEMAN???!!!!!
>ABSOLUTELY BATSHIT INSANE - CHECK
>KEKOO BANANAS - CHECK
>200% CRAZY - CHECK
>COMPLETELY OFF THE ROCKER - CHECK
>Has a fricking gun - check
>Best Case in the Series
2-5
>Very Good
1-4
3-1
3-5
>Good
1-1
1-2
2-1
2-4
3-4
3-6
>Alright
1-6
2-2
3-2
>Mediocre
1-3
2-3
>Bad
1-5
2-6
3-3
2-5 was so obvious from the start I’m genuinely surprised people actually found it to be good
I don't believe you.
How did you not automatically assume he killed himself when one of his hands were clean of blood, he had bombed open the entrance to the castle where the spear originally was, had the other hand free, and the reveal of the poison where you immediately would have thought about the fire grenades? Are you slow?
But he didn't kill himself. That's the real twist. It's a murder disguised as a suicide disguised as a murder.
Literally peabrain logic. If I replaced a soda in the fridge with poison and asked so random person to give it to me it or replaced a blank in a prop gun with an identical live round in an actual gun and told my friend to shoot me with it, it would still be a suicide, donut
In a real court of law it obviously would be. But Monokuma has been clear about this, if you deliver the killing blow, even by accident, or even if you were tricked, you are the blackened. By your same logic, Monokuma is the actual killer in 90% of the cases because he's forcing them.
If that was the case then there were so much more easier ways for Nagito to pin his death on someone with the same ending result. Could have got Kazuichi to “accidentally” kill him and bank on him being a complete coward and not coming clean
Are you legitimately moronic? The goal was to make the murder unsolvable so everyone would die except the impostor
Then he could have done the same exact plan minus the elaborate set up and he could have just set the warehouse on fire in front of everyone while still using the poison fire grenade, you utter fricking moron
homie, how the heck do you miss the point that Nagito still wants to give each side an equal chance to win.
That was literally his entire monologue in the beginning of the 2nd chapter.
What point are you even trying to make, you drooling troglodyte? His plan would have functioned identically regardless. How does making everyone think there was a murderer, to only find he kill himself, to yet again only find he committed assisted euthanasia benefit anymore than just cutting out the first two steps to begin with, you fricking moron?
Huh, never thought about it that way
Because nagito still believed in you deep down, even though he despised what you were. He gave you a slim life line to figure out his trick, so that at the very least you would all died, or on the opposite end, the traitor would be forced out.
Even if you predicted that , there is no way you predicted who the blackened could be unless you had it spoiled.
This. The moment the Monokuma file didn’t say what the cause of death was I knew
Once you figure out that whatever thing the Monokuma file doesn't mention is gonna be the twist, the cases get a lot more predictable.
Agreed. What I didn’t figure out was case 2-4 because the game literally gives you no clues as to who the killer was until just giving you the answer at the end of the trial. Finding out how the victim died even stumped me
They immediately give you the decisive clue: Gundham hearing the alarm despite being in a soundproof room.
Admittedly I didn't remember that detail. I still knew it was Gundham because of the meta clue of them spending so much time on making a graphic for the hamsters pressing a button and opening a door for no reason, only moments after explaining Mechamaru's Good Night Switch.
The rooms being sound proofed was reveal until the end of the trial. The only “clue” you’re given is Sonia and Chiaki not leaving their room to investigate the noise even though Hajime didn’t either after hearing it and Nagito never commented on not hearing it either
Nope, made me look it up. Monokuma tells you everything about the rooms when you first enter the house.
oh.
Fair enough. Gundham still could have been just out of his room regardless just like Fuyuhiko was considering it was 730 in the morning and he could have said he was awake for the morning tai chi session
iirc he arrives after Soda does so that'd be a bit shady, but yeah, the game doesn't make a particularly big deal out of his presence until the late trial. It could make you suspicious if you were particularly attentive about the room details, but I sure as frick wasn't
>still knew it was Gundham because of the meta clue of them spending so much time on making a graphic for the hamsters pressing a button and opening a door for no reason, only moments after explaining Mechamaru's Good Night Switch.
That’s such a tenuous reason that I honestly don’t believe you
That's fair I guess. I sometimes think about these games from the writer's point of view, asking why they put a scene there, especially if they bothered to make graphics for it. It's called conservation of detail. They didn't need to put that scene there, yet they did. It wasn't particularly funny like Hagakure's hamburger CG, and it wasn't an important character moment either. But the game took some time to establish that the hamsters can press buttons, so surely it was going to be relevant at some point, if not now then later. Then when Mechamaru was revealed to be the victim I was like 80% confident it was Gundham and the hamsters were somehow involved.
Move 3-2 to Very Good. It has the best Blackened in terms of behavior.
>Move 3-2 to Very Good
not when this moron gives away a chunk of the case for no reason
oh shiiiiiiit
For me, it's Miu.
He creates a giant plothole in case 5 since he suicide and there is no murder.
Reminder that Mikan x Hajime is canon.
Technically, since Mikan x Everyone is canon.
V3 isn’t canon, butthole
Mikan is a fricking braindead vegetable, bro
What exactly did he mean by this?
You know why.
Fujos.
>they
>their
Why would you lend your friend you fricking animal shaped dildo. Holy shit that’s fricking disgusting
With "share" it means sharing the pic on social media.
He's just like me
I just finished it recently, but why do people hate v3? It's kino! Feels like a midwit filter
Don't tell me people hate it just for the ending
It's pretty much because of that.
V3 is probably my least favourite one but I don't hate it. I liked the ending, I just wish the game as a whole deviated more from the formula. I still think it's like a 7/10.
But yes lots of morons here think it "invalidates the first games" or "hates its own fanbase" or shit like that
Eh, I can see why people hate the ending. I understand it, and don't think that it's making fun of the fanbase (How can anyone say that after Shuichi's words in the climax, although they did make him seem somewhat insufferable with how naggy he was) or that it invalidates the previous games (all three games are just as real as each other, which is not at all. So obviously v3 takes place in an AU)
But ultimately the game ruined it's own plot just to make that point. Sure, the plot wasn't that interesting. But I could see someone who didn't feel that way and was highly invested being rubbed the wrong way that 50 hours of speculation ultimately meant nothing. When something becomes too meta it hard to give a shit about anything.
Also, the ending kind of reiterates the same information far too often so it stretches itself out from a 2 hour trial to a nearly 5 hour one)
and some people still fail to understand what he was going for
While the ending is shit I can give you an explanation why 4th wall breaking is a very poor decision in mystery games.
In Dangaronpa 1 there was a massive mystery of where we were? How we got there? Who is responsible? WTF happened to our families?
And you know what? Everything got explained through exposition and story reasons. It was satisfying to actually get legitimate answers to these mysteries.
In Danganronpa 3 we have the same questions + why are we in a dome? We are there extra monokumas after 2 games and the anime where we saw our heroes win? I sure hope I get an answer to these questions cuz this is the thing that drives these mystery games in the first place...
LOOOOOOL You fricking idiot it was all just fiction no explanation required, all those theories you had, all the ideas we threw around? All fake. Everythings fake, also frick you player. Oh and the previous worlds are fake too. lol
The point is 4th wall breaking endings remove the responsibility from the writter of explaining how shit works and why things happened. It's a lazy cop out of an ending.
Flashback lights are the kind of plot device that should never step foot in a work that dares to call itself a mystery.
>We are there extra monokumas after 2 games and the anime where we saw our heroes win?
they said from the start this wasn't the same continuity
didin't seem like it to me when the demo used characters from the previous games and the ending had Tsumugi dressing up as them, actually you're just wrong.
>The people on the outside world don't represent the player
>But it would feel lame if they didin't so I made it feel like they did
Oh so the writer is just moronic, also blatant damage control
that's quite literally how they advertised it anon.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT
I NEED JUSTIFACTION TO BE ANGRY AT A ENDING THAT WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE ME UPSET NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Every danganronpa is a new danganronpa this proves nothing and my points still stand.
like I said
ANOTHER
moron
FILTERED
:^)
ANOTHER moron FILTERED
BRAVO
proving once again that v3 is one of the greatest works of fiction of all time. Intentionally dabbing on brainlets in your massively popular media work lmao
>In Dangaronpa 1 there was a massive mystery of where we were? How we got there? Who is responsible? WTF happened to our families?
>And you know what? Everything got explained through exposition and story reasons. It was satisfying to actually get legitimate answers to these mysteries.
DR1 has the best structure of all the games and it's horribly underrated for its conventional approach to mystery despite its wacky anime appeal
>Introduces all characters, including the headmaster and the culprit from the very beginning using devices like magazines
>Introduces the memory element quite literally out of the gate and with Chihiro wondering if they'd met before
>Subtle lines like Mondo hearing commotion outside the school (people trying to rescue them)
>The mole
>Kyoko, the obvious detective, trying to solve the mystery outside of class trials. This also being used as a pretext to explore her character and dynamics with Makoto, culminating in the rift in chapter 4-5
>Twin switch
>Chapter 3 has the pictured and Hifumi remembering because his head trauma
>Constant allusions to despair and being watched, but it only became a philosophy much later on.
>The mastermind actually gets backed into a corner and has to cheat to continue the game. This misstep being their undoing in the end.
>No formula. Character deaths have a purpose and bleed into the next chapter in an organic way. (E.g, Mondo and Chihiro affecting Kiyotaka, Hifumi, and the entire group for chapter 3. Or Sakura and Mukuro for chapter's 5 and 6)
DR1 always knew what it wanted to be and never went off the rails. It was a legitimate mystery that answered all that needed to be. And didn't answer what it didn't have to. It never confirms if the mastermind was telling the truth or to what degree
The character thing is kind of true for Makoto, even if in a meta-context. He spent nearly all his time with Sayaka in a 'safe zone', After he was betrayed, the player learns to be reserved with their trust and now has to see what all the other characters that Makoto ignored are about, and he has to do it alone.
It not being formulaic was a big thing. With V3 I hoped they'd stray from it, but they still stuck to it too rigidly.
DR1 had the best world building and the best "mystery setup" I guess, I still remember seeing those photos of the dead people together and being perplexed. I mean actually solving the mastermind by matching the faces on the pictures? That's pretty cool.
DR2 did not have nearly as much mystery but it had the better cast.
And DR3 just failed on every account
It's why on paper DR1 is the worse Danganronpa game, but the other games have fatal flaws that make DR1 all the more appealing because it is incredibly consistent and contained, and each character has a purpose to the narrative.
The overarching narrative for DR is for idiots and you got filtered so hard by v3 telling you that
adding onto this anon, DR never should've had an overarching narrative and the weakest parts of its sequel are because of it trying to tie it back to the first game.
this really was V3's main issue as much as i liked the game, it played most of its cases far too safe, even if its intentional, they could've done more instead of reuse similar concepts almost one for one.
after finishing Gnosia I'm convinced that anyone here that didn't like it was either due to there just not being ENOUGH of it, not liking the gameplay loop, or just get really assblasted at the localization fricking up genders which i admit is annoying but not for the same reasons that most of Ganker would sperg about.
>DR never should've had an overarching narrative and the weakest parts of its sequel are because of it trying to tie it back to the first game.
I could not disagree more. The best parts of DR2 were because of the overarching narrative. The only worthwhile mystery was figuring who is controlling Monokuma now and how did everything tie back to DR1. Nagito himself is the biggest and most consistent reference to the first game. A foil and mix of Makoto and Junko. The most hype moments for me all involved him. Then there was
>The documents in chapter 4.
DR2 was a fine sequel and I adamantly believe the franchise should have ended with it. Everything that came afterwards was nonsense or mediocre. AE at most was cool for experiencing the outside world first hand. But that should have been it.
i feel like the statement "best parts of DR2 were overarching narrative" could only be true from the perspective of "Nagito is the biggest reference to the first game" because his insanity really does carry the entire game on its back.
with that said I'd also say the worst parts about DR2 also involve its overarching narrative, every time Junko was reused in the series she got progressively less interesting and fun to the point that even V3 was on its 53rd(54th if you count Ultra Despair Girl's flashbacks) Junko appearance and it was still being eaten up, I guess what i'm saying here is, Junko I feel like worked at her best when she was a one off final boss that was involved with the first game since its start in the background, and every other appearance made her more boring by removing more of her mystery and deciding "yeah we need to explain this comment from the first one". So like overall I guess what I am saying is I liked DR1's mystery aspect so much I preferred some things not being clarified on because the Junko i built up in my head, could in no way, match the Junko that would appear to be canon in later installments, and its DR2's decision to have an overarching plot that the rest of the series would later follow is why I hold must of my negativity from it, inspite that its a good game, inspite of that i loved it when i first played it, inspite of that i thought it was better then 1 almost a decade ago.
took anwhile to type this but hey an actual good DR thread that isn't waifu posting, might as well post something i've wanted to get off my chest for awhile.
I agree the overarching narrative IS for idiots, that's why I only cared about the narratives told in their own individual games. And V3's sucked. What now V3gay
I think you STINK
In all seriousness if that's how you feel and your reasoning, that's totally fine. I just get buttmad when I see people ree about v3 doing what it did like the overarching story of DR is even the important part. It's not. The individual stories of each game is the important part.
>waaaaaaaaah it's all fake
I never understood this argument. No shit it's fake, it's a fricking video game.
NTA, but you are missing the point.
The fact that the game is fake is ultimately it's only point and doesn't really justify sabotaging dozens of hour of intrigue and speculation even though it was foreshadowed thoroughly. After v3, you're ultimately left with nothing BUT the ending and whether or not Tsumugi was telling the truth.
Every point of discussion or speculation has a definitive and very unsatisfying answer. There really is no point or reason to create a sequel or spin off or even fanfiction in that universe because all intrigue was destroyed with an ending like that.
>missing the point
Jesus fricking Christ you idiots are so stupid
What are some Nagito-core games and characters?
The Nagito characer trope is my absolute favorite. You can add Joshua from TWEWY and maybe Adachi Tohru ?
who id the one on the right?
Makishima Shugo from psycho pass or Moriarty from that fujo manga
Great wrestler, fun gimmicks.
Take his bloon.
Not sure if anyone's posted it but remember the unspoken genius of Nagito's trial is that it was the reverse of his russian roulette. He had a 1/6 chance of winning and he did it. In the trial where shit mattered for once, he had a 5/6 of winning, and he lost. Kodaka peaked here.
Just beat Dangaronpa 1 and now I want to frick the shit outta Junko.
Are 2 and 3 good?
2 is an improvement in the trial department, with a more likable cast. DR 1+2 is the golden age. Do not play anything else. They're shit.
2 is my favorite.
3 is ok, better then 1 but not as good as 2 in my book.
Proceed with 2.
And then watch DR3 if you want even more Junko.
2 is great, 3 is also great but some people get hung up too much on the ending.
DR2 > DR1 >> DRV3 >>> DRZero > Killer Killer > DR If > Makoto Naegi's Worst Day Ever > DR3 > DR2.5 >>>>>>> DR:AE
I haven't yet consumed the rest of it.
Now you have to go back to DR1, play school mode and date Mukuro.
Play fan games Another despair academy 1 and 2
What the frick is up with that mid-tier?
>V3 in high-tier
Stop
>high tier for a literal unfinished game
Spirit of Justice can't be that high when it peaked in the second case.
1 was alright
2 was final case worthy
3 was solid
4 was really good but somehow the most filler case in the franchise. The dissonance gave me whiplash
5-6 were utter garbage. Dirk was the only good thing. Rest was just angst excuse to wank Apollo even if it meant character assassination of Phoenix and making the final boss look like the biggest moron in the setting.
>gnosia and raging loop low tier
>investigations hack tier
>MIND HACK WILD RIDE hack tier (fair enough, but it was very entertaining and the puzzles were still good)
>dual destinies not bottom tier
Holy shit what unfathomably shit taste
>raging loop low tier
To be fair, although I think low is Harsh oh, that final route really does ruin the entire game.
extreme shit taste
AA1 and 3 aren't god tier and I'm tired of pretending they are.
SoJ and JFA need to be in low tier
VLR in mid tier
GAA2 in high tier
AAI2 in god tier
AI in high tier
GAA1 in high tier
AA AJ in mid tier
PK in midtier.
fixed your shit list, KYS.
>AA1 and 3 aren't god tier and I'm tired of pretending they are.
1 is high tier. 3 is god tier. Don't be a homosexual
>SoJ
is mid tier or lower high tier. Main story was trash but it had 4 good cases. That's as much as you can ask for a decent AA
>VLR
is not worse than 999 and I'm tired of pretending it is.
>AI
Explain this one.
>GAA1
Absolutely.
>AJ
Low-tier
>V3 in high tier, above the original Danganronpa
>Spirit of Justice in High Tier
>Ace Attorney Investigations in Hack Tier
>Apollo Justice all the way down in Hack Tier instead of Mid Tier
what are you doing motherfricker
Play 2, watch 3 at best
His philosophy is like slav philosophy taken to logical extreme. It's hilarious and disturbing at the same time. He's also a kind of a benevolent sociopath, which is a rare character type. In fiction that is, but not necessarily in reality.
Junko did nothing wrong.
Don't worry. Kyoko can join shuichis harem.
I love my precious, wonderful and sweet Chiaki so much.
Weird seeing you in Ganker, chiakigay.
Whenever the /drg/ thread is slow I check Ganker to see if you guys messing around here, post some cute Chiakis and talk a little about the game.
V3 wasn't bad because the ending was bad. It was bad because the first chapter and the ending were the only original sections. Trials 2-5 were a rehash of the older games, just trying too hard and ending up way too contrived. 3-3 didn't have to happen the way it did, period. 3-5 doesn't even make sense. It is the biggest logistical disaster in the franchise, just because it wanted to outdo 2-5.
Miu was the only V3 character I liked. Unintentional gold by Kodaka.
>10/10
>outrageous dialogue
>always guesses the killer
>coward who breaks down at first resistance, and even gets off to it if you go too hard
>acts like a c**t and gets treated like a c**t by everyone (you would be surprised how rare due comeuppance is for this series)
>still one of the most useful members
>Just wants to be loved and is surprisingly wholesome. Only tries to murder because of one of the only two cases of genuine despair
Her trial was shit though.
Sonia best girl
That's all
Hey take it easy I just re-posted someone else’s list for fun. My own ranking looks different
I'm actually surprised this thread has actual discussion and only barely devolved into waifugays
>114 results of this exact post
>within the last 48 hours
Holy frick I thought this was a joke post but it really isn't, is it?
Chiaki's boob mole is enough to kill a man
I hate it when artists leave it out.
How did the people who made the AI version of Chiaki know she had a boob mole?
you can really tell that Chiaki wasn't made to be an actual human in the second game just by that detail, 3's retcon of making her based off a real human was pointless and dumb.
Chihiro designed and made her. Real Chiaki is some bullshit because they forgot the lore.
People are glossing over how Chiaki also helped carry DR2, sure Nagito was the best character in the game but the only reason trial 2-5 had such a big impact was because over the game you really started to care about Chiaki. She was the voice of reason and killing her off was huge. She also had to live up to Kyoko from the previous game and she did.
I love Chiaki without a doubt. The way she was curious about the world around her and how she decided to go against the orders of the future foundation to save everyone really got to me.
lmao no
Im glad she died and got replaced with Sonia
(You)
In DR3 they explained that the AI took the form of Chiaki according to the memory of class 77. They probably remember it from some trip to the beach that they show in the ending.
>In DR3 they explained
You mean retconned. AI Chiaki was made by Chihiro. It had nothing to do with Izuru.
Who said anything about it having anything to do with Izuru?
>because over the game you really started to care about Chiaki
But I didn't
She was one of the better characters(everyone else alive sucked) but I sure wasn't that affected by it
then you're the minority, after her death many YT top lists put Nagito as the worst or second worst character simply for the reason he killed her, I still remember the butthurt to this day
>subhuman youtubers who can't separate their own feelings and morals from rating the quality of each character can't realize he is singlehandedly carrying the game for 5 chapters straight and think he is worst character
you don't need to tell me the majority is always absolutely moronic, I already knew.
>Caring about troony fans and moronic e-celebs opinions.
lol, lmao.
She's fricking boring as sin Mary sue, but at least she got some nice breasts.
Tell me what you consider an interesting character so I can tell you how much of a pleb you are.
Nagito, Fuyuhiko, and Hajime are more interesting characters than her. But, you can disagree and call me a pleb or whatever. That's the truth if you don't like you don't have to reply.
Ow the poor little crybaby is afraid of being called a pleb? If you are truly incapable of understanding the complexity of an AI going against her programming to generate her own free will to help those she learned to love, that's on you.
>Ow the poor little crybaby is afraid of being called a pleb? If you are truly incapable of understanding the complexity of an AI going against her programming to generate her own free will to help those she learned to love, that's on you.
PFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! THAT'S IT!?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You know what, call me a pleb at least I'm not pseudo intellectual moron, HAHAHAHAHA!!!
>pseudo intellectual moron
Obviously not, you're just a plain old moron.
At least say she's hot. That's the only good thing about her, she makes my dick hard but that's about it. But, thanks for the laughs Chiakigay I needed a good one today.
Don't want to argue any more? Are you afraid of being exposed as the superficial piece of crap you are in an anonymous Taiwanese forum? By the way wrestling is gay as frick.
He's literally me
>Everyone managed to survive in DR2
And that's why is the best game.
I will plow Monomi in her pure rabbit ass you cannot stop me
My comfy wife.
i liked kokichi
I hate liked him. He's worse than Nagito but he was still important and fun. He's a c**t though
I see this basically nonstop and while I am loathe to give it a (you) I strongly feel this is a serial killer looking for the next victim
stop being paranoid
>t. serial killer Discord spammer
Kokichi is fine when he's Kokichi because he really does know how to make conversation and play to whoever he's addressing. He's utter dogshit when he's being made Nagito 2.0.
Real Chiaki was a pretty garbage character tbh, how she was written kind of felt like a worse Makoto and completely missing why that kind of character had so much appeal. DR3 really was the worst thing to come out of the franchise.
The real Chiaki was a sweet and tender girl who just wanted to get along with her classmates. It was her naivety and good will that led to her downfall, but overall she is not bad. She tried her best.
I eventually want an anthology of some kind be it anime, novel, etc. of what some of the other 49 seasons of Danganronpa were like
'Sup there Female lurkersI want to talk about danganronpa, persona vidya, weeb things, patchuili, e-girls, Monster Hunter Freedom Unite,vtubers, source film maker, pokemon,girls from dead or alive and amongst other things
nocturne#0149
Luna did it first and she did it better
As I played
>2 > 1 > V3
After thinking about it further and analyzing their strengths and faults
>1 > 2 > V3
Then I stopped taking this shit so seriously and reminded myself that it's primarily entertainment. Weaknesses shouldn't be overlooked but what matters most is how much I enjoyed myself while playing
>2 >= 1 > V3
Because he's an absolute madman and hilarious.
People don't like him. Trannies like him. There is a big difference.
He's the best thing this franchise ever produced.
Sex Appeal Joker Kid #1 before the fun one came
Who?
I like Komaeda
I despise the community however. Bunch of mentally ill children.
>I despise the community however
The majority of the community is just a revolving door of high schoolers and college kids who can't grow up.
At least they're an easy lay at conventions
"We live in a society"
A difficult character archetype to write correctly, it's a walk across a thin line.
If done right they're beloved by edgy teens or mentally ill loners for being edgy or representative of a mindset.
If done wrong they're beloved by autistic edgy teens and mentally ill loners. Just for different reasons. Loved for sheer edge but memed to death.
The difference is minor but it has a huge effect.
Kyoko Kirigiri is objectively the worst character of the entire franchise.
The game also want you to think that this creator's pet and her multiple attempt to get you murdered was completely justified?
For what? To see her dead father's body?
Don't even get me started on every hypocritical shit she did.
Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
>her multiple attempt to get you murdered
Makoto is not (You)
>Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
She doesn't try to justify it, even recognized how wrong it was through her failure.
Unlike c**tko who brought up MUH DEAD FATHER
>Sayaka also tried to frame Makoto for murder
Who fricking cares?
>Sayaka apologists
Never trust a b***h.
Nevermind, I didn't see the pic related. Thought you were trying to deflect blame from Kyoko. Carry on your waifu wars. The thread is already over anyway
Le epic meme man
They played the game with japanese voices.
Pfft
go back
What do you do in these games? Like what is the gameplay? Is it just walls of text and occasionally you have to make a decision that doesn't really change the story?
Yes
But the main appeal is dating your favorite character and solving the cases before the trial starts
Your pic is from one of the best parts of the game, that's why. Dude was bat shit crazy and constantly knew his plot armor would get him out of crazy situations.
Tumblr sexy man
>Btfos your message about franchises
I'm not gay but I would totally let him frick and do whatever he wants to me.
I'm into girls but for him I'd make an exception.
I could have fixed him
Case 4 Nagito is an underrated experience. It's where you learn he really believes a lot of what he says and that he's legitimately crazy. He doesn't understand why the things he does pisses people off. Ironically, it makes him a more sensible character than Kokichi, who was well within his right mind.
I don't give a shit about the ending or REAL or FICTION. V3 is shit because it made you replay the same fricking game a third time all to shill a twist at the end. Unacceptable.
If you think V3 is the same game, you're a fricking IDIOT who got FILTERED. have a nice day homosexual.
>V3psics actually defending this shit
>3-3 has a double murder for no fricking reason, making the culptrit look like an actual moron
>3-4 Has a bara "sacrifice" death, again for no fricking reason. Thereby making Kokichi look like a fricking butthole which contradicts his own philosophy and makes him an even worse character for the next chapter.
>3-5 is an attempt to blow out 2-5 and fails on every fricking front because it tries too hard to make Kokichi be Nagito, only Kokichi doesn't fricking have luck so they turned into a magician who can predict the future but still get totally bamboozled by the mastermind
Do you enjoy eating shit? Seriously, I'm curious?
Don't forget
>IT'S NOT!JUNKO AGAIN!
>doesn't get kokichi at all
Wow a shit eating moron! Nice job!
How do you even dress yourself in the morning?
>y-y-you don't understand!
Pathetic.
Literal moron.
Does anyone else think he sounds like Wayne from the Cramp Twins?
Cringe, Ganker shit taste is showing as always
no
pathetic
such despair...
awful
frick off
its over