why do people say D2 is better than D4 or D3? only 5 specs in this game are "viable" and there is less endgame than D4
why do people say D2 is better than D4 or D3?
why do people say D2 is better than D4 or D3? only 5 specs in this game are "viable" and there is less endgame than D4
cause it's better
moron
I think you might be moronic
Imagine how badly they must've fricked up if a game with 5 specs beats the other games.
D4 is boring
D3 was shit until Reaper of Souls DLC and adventure mode came out
D2 leveling and campaign is fun
killing rares is a mistake
why can nobody actually explain why this game is good and the others bad other than just asserting it? D2 has less content and build diversity than the newer 2
>D2 has less content and build diversity
Nice corporate buzzwords
it wasn't made for zoomers
I'm sorry anon but you were conditioned to like shit games while growing up that's your fate
Diablo 2: can choose your stat distribution
Diablo 3 and 4: can't choose your stat distribution, like wow
>Diablo 2: can choose your stat distribution
You mean putting about all my point into END, only picking STR and DEX if i need it?
Energy being a joke because you'll be pumping potions anyway.
You could have brought the itemisation being more intersting than just uber stats/buffed moves from legendaries.
That fricking Barb helmet that mixes your class with druid, for example.
But no, the shitty stat system is what's important.
>END
yeah whatever, you put like 4 of your 5 point per level into HP.
I haven't played d2 in years.
the itemization was important, but on what planet would you take away the ability to place our own stats then question why everyone thinks your game sucks?
why overengineer enjoyment out of a game?
just do more cool shit, add or remix more cool classes, and get the fricking graphics right
>You mean putting about all my point into END, only picking STR and DEX if i need it?
and even just that is more decision making you have to do compared to levelling up in d3 and d4 combined
you had to be there
there are no amount of words on a screen you can read that make you get it
your framing devices of 'content' and 'build diversity' arent benefits on their own, they're concepts corporations use to build games
Haven’t played D4 so can’t really speak on that. D2 allows you to actually be creative with your build while D3 shoehorns you into using certain setups. Also, D2 has no endgame, but D3’s endgame/whole game is fricking horrible because the most efficient way to play is to just do nothing but run rifts which gets old extremely fast. In D2, there is a lot more variety. You can run Andy, cows, pindle, shenk/eldritch/pindle, baal, mephisto, chaos/Diablo, the pit, ancient tunnels, lk chests, trist, keys. All of these areas have their own drop tables that suit fishing for certain items and certain builds are suited for running certain areas efficiently/safely, which makes the vast majority of builds valuable in some way. Rolls and drop rates on the most valuable items are also much worse in D2 which actually makes farming something good feel a lot more rewarding and adds longevity to the game. Also, the music and art is way better.
itemization. if you've never played it before than that term doesn't really make sense
if you play the game, it becomes clear within the first 10 or so hours that it's gear is in a league of it's own
then you need another 100 hours + to fully appreciate the loot even further. just to grasp all of the concepts and what makes the system work
the only games that really compare are Path of Exile and Project Diablo 2. Diablo 3 and Diablo 4 are a joke compared to what D2 had with items
Normal, Magic, Rare, Unique, Set, and Runewords all have their place in the game at all levels of play if you can believe it.
Now some salty tard will say rare swords don't matter because of Grief except they still do exist as trophy items and PvP items since Grief is bad manners in duels
The only runeword that should be toned down is Spirit
Okay, but do you care about being able to place your stats?
There's a lot of different ways to stat your character to suit your playstyle. Every stat is useful
Energy is useful early game until you get Spirit and Insight
Dex determines your block rate, missile damage, and attack rating
Strength gives dmg for melee
There's more ways to slice it than just minimum requirements -> vitality dump
Most players undervalue max block for PvE
yeah but in the end, most people will just
>minimum requirements -> vitality dump
You're right, actually, i just wanted someone giving a proper argument instead of "You can allot your stats yourself, meaning it's good"
While you can literally do that with stats in d3/d4 and itemisation and end up quite strong depending.(just considering your stats)
Maybe less so d4 because of disminishing return, but on d3, my int gave me a lot of res and coupled with some dex i could actually avoid attacks, for a while , untill i levelled, since it's not balanced that way and by max level you needed to focus on what your character was suposed to have.
how is D2 itemization good though? you just lookup a guide and hunt for the same 1/60000 runewords to be OP or play a sorceress and farm
not many people looked up guides back then. you found a cool ass item, you went 'wow that's a cool ass item', you used it and you had fun. these days it's 'the ign build and the youtubers i watch told me not to play this way. i will only play how they tell me how to play'.
>you just lookup a guide and hunt for the same
In every game with gear, there will be "BIS" meta gear. I fail to see how that's an indictment against the loot system in D2
For one thing, obtaining the absolute best possible gear for your character without cheating or swiping your credit card will take a long journey. And then people will make another character class... and then they want to make off-meta classes like Wolf barbarians or fund their ridiculously expensive bowazon...
Just getting those runes for the best runewords takes time (except Spirit)
The point is that the progression feels satisfying. I am playing through solo offline and I have 2 griefs and a fortitude on my WW barb but I still play because I want an Enigma and Infinity.
And after those, I want a decked out fury druid, and then I an enchantress bow sorc, mosaic sin, etc.
It takes time and patience, but the loot is interesting along the way. I love finding skiller charms, rare gloves/boots
Shit dude. Today I found an ETH Headstriker and I about leapt out of my chair. I upped that motherfricker and put it on an Act 5 merc right away
I don't know anon. I thought it was shit then and I still think it's shit. diablo 1 had a lot of charm, but diablo 2 is a janky mess. I played it on release, finished it, and at no point would I say I was actually enjoying it. maybe you had to play mp or something.
I'm still mad they patched out item stealing in d2
you mean rare mobs stealing potions?
the story is better
I think its mainly story, skill design , multiplayer design, atmosphere, classes, offline mode, and nostalgia. Anything else people say is cope.
>Itemization
Like 90% of the itemization was + to skills. Followed by what, resist all or to life if you could?
>Endgame Content
Oh yeah farming Baal none stop or some cave hoping for good roles. Sooo much better.
>Balance
Yeah a lot of builds sucked. Sorcs were godlike and still are to this day.
But lets go over the good.
>Story
Felt more gothic. Dark. Interesting. Way better than D3. But I'd say D4 is on par with it.
>Skill Design
As you got more points into skills, they changed in some cases. More summons. Different effects. Not just + to damage. It just overall felt more rewarding to add more to skills. The devs sorta took this and made this into those skill changes in D3 or glyphs/passives in D4. So I'd say its kind of on par with D3/D4, just different execution that some people prefer more.
>Atmosphere
More dark, gothic, felt more adult. D3 was basically WoW+Diablo. D4 is on par with D2 in this regard
>Classes
All the classics and they felt unique/fun. D3 was shit. D4 is better, but them doing spirit born before paladin in d4 is a fricking mistake
>Soundtrack
D2 blows D3 and D4 out of the water for soundtrack.
>Multiplayer
You had chat rooms, people hanging out, private rooms with specific purposes, etc. D3 felt like shit. D4 people exist but you don't feel like you interact with them. Maybe in time D4 will be better.
That being said
Endgame/gameplay loop
D4 > D2 > D3 for me personally.
I like that in D2 you play the campaign over again on higher difficulties. D3 also does this but I'm very disappointed that I can't so this in D4. Not only did the campaign have the best boss fights, I like the sense of direction it gives you, grinding seasonal shit and dungeons without context doesn't do it for me. World Tier 3/4 are boring because of this.
I actually really enjoyed D3, although I only played it recently so I missed out on the real money auction house and broken shit. First problem I had with it was the art style which felt like WoW sometimes and SC2 once you get to heaven. Only the expac areas had the proper atmosphere. Second problem was the numbers, they scaled way too high. Playing through on torment 1 for a first run was great but doing 1 million damage per hit to trash enemies with 25mil HP was pretty goofy.
D2 was also very frustrating to play as a melee character, you need to pump your resistances so high I always played Open Bnet and cheated items in because the grind was absurd. sorry for the long drunkpost
I like that D3 has a lot of well made builds from gear and it isnt just blizzard sorc or die
Yeah and the skill modifiers were cool too, made each class have some interesting builds to try. The abundance of life steal gear made melee classes viable even when enemy damage output was super high. I loved the crusader, can't believe they didn't carry the crusader or paladin over to D4, fricking necromancer is the only class who can even use a shield.
there's also javazon and hammerdin. Ton of variety.
there's actually a shitload of builds that are good and can clear all content, but tards will complain since they are slower
by the way, a pure blizzard sorc trying to solo clear Hell is actually fricking hell on earth. I unga bunga'd it and it was rough
If i can't clear the content after cheating it up to be as if i'm 8 persons while solo, i can't beat it at all.
I forgot to say D2 had the best music. Can't even remember a single track from D3 or 4
D2's soundtrack is barely worth mentioning in comparison to 1. Like wooooooah..............random strumming.............i'm ambianciiiiiiiing.....................
diablowunners are not serious people
That's because I outrank you and you'll forever be a secondary. cope.
>only 5 specs in this game are "viable"
lmao. use your imagination more buddy
damn d2ards are stupid.
classic d2 is better because endgame gear mostly doesn't rely on ridiculous op uniques or runewords but on rares
there's no richgay ideal gear and it's up to you to balance it
I think you have to look at older games in context of the time. At the time, back in the day, I enjoyed Diablo 2 more than I enjoyed D3 when it came out, and D4 holds no interest for me at all. But I also have no interest in playing D2 in present day etiher.
>only [meta] is viable!
this is why you'll never understand. kys.
>specs
>builds are functional without items
strange how foreign this concept is to the D3 + 4 teams
the depth of the game systems makes it more enjoyable and gives it longevity. I didn't bother playing 4, but 3 was an extremely fun game for short periods but extremely forgettable. 2, I don't think has the same highs as 3, but those highs are extremely uncommon and 2 is just more even overall and keeps you coming back. A lot of it is when you get a drop and you immediately think, wow I can make a new character.
D1 mogs all 3 of them
mods
it's a short game, but it's tight all the way.
it's just fun.
and the mods add a lot of replay value.
Project Diablo 2, Path of Diablo and Median XL are all super fun. Even Reign of Shadow is
>Well paced and interesting game
>Incredible replayability and modding
>Playing anything is generally good
>Not live service
It's already a great game on it's own.