Why do people say that the Tau don't fit with the tone of Warhammer 40k?
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Why do people say that the Tau don't fit with the tone of Warhammer 40k?
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Because they don't understand the point is that the Tau are bright-eyed idealists who haven't yet become jaded from extended contact with the wider galaxy. They're supposed to be naive up-and-comers who have to learn their lesson the hard way about the fricked up things they're going up against.
huh, I thought it was just GW trying to get the anime audience
Nah, that's the Eldar.
Except they say it ouright.
If this is the case then the argument can be made that big-tittied hot Tau girls are canon since that's also anime.
>implying they're not
It infuriates me how far that art is from how the Tau turned out. It's easy to imagine a world where the Tau weren't square pegs in round holes.
eldar are based off historical japanese, tau are based off of japanese anime and manga
Yeah, just look at all this Japanese stuff the Eldar have going on for them.
there's literally a shinto torii in the image you posted you blithering moron
the point is that they're a mashup of random "mystical" and/or "exotic" cultures, not just japanese
I never said that they were "just" based on the japanese, you did
they are taken from many different influences, just like you posted
>Eldar have a Shinto torii
>thus they're based off historical Japanese
You sure got me.
American hands typed this post. Not everything exotic is Japanese.
Even the naming convention is Celtic as frick. Samhain, Lughnasadh, Beltane, Morrigan.
The Eldar were Neo-pagan and spiritualist beliefs taken to a grim dark conclusion. Their crystal magic actually works, their pagan Gods existed, they fell but still remain as a tattered remnant while newer Gods run rampant and attempt to consume them. The Eldar and the High Elves were more Atlantis than Japanese. It's a shame the trannies at GW forgot this and started turning the High Elves weeb.
Eldar have more Celtic/Welsh influences, culturally and socially, than Japanese
read Elric dumb 40shittier
Pretty much. All other races are either elder races in decline or existential threats. Humans, Eldar, Necrons and even Orks are all declining races while Tyranids and all varieties of Chaos are existential threats. The Tau being a faction on the rise puts a focus on the fact that the Imperium is declining and that makes some fans of the Imperium feel like they are backing a loser rather than a winner.
Making Tau the Mech army was an attempt to get in on the Mecha anime crazy going at the time.
A bit after the first Tau codex was released they dumped a bunch of dirt on anything that was arguably "noble" in both 40k and WHFB.
Pic related
Pic related. Tau are Gundams/Imperial Japan, Eldar is more the Evangelion/Ninja crowd.
Forgot pic
You don't understand that GW only did that after people complained. The introduction of the Tau was intended to shift towards what was then popular in anime - noblebright mecha - and only later did the Tau lose their utopian luster. The most 'grimdark' thing the early Tau did was "maybe" sterilize uppity imperials, but even that was ambiguous.
>You don't understand that GW only did that after people complained.
No, what I'm talking about is from the earliest versions of Tau fluff. What you're talking about is when they started going into more detail about the hints and suggestions that Tau society isn't actually utopian but rather is mind-controlled by the Ethereal caste. They made Tau society darker, but they always wanted Tau to be idealists of a young race yet to reach its twilight.
> only did that after people complained
> hints that ethereal were mind controlling the population were in their first fricking codex.
Fake grogs are the worst.
>GW
>Subtle enough for hints
You are a fake grog
This.
Eventualy a powerful psyker will be born among the Gue'vasa population, or a Tau engineer will hit the wrong button while trying to study an Imperium warp drive. It's like a toddler playing with a live hand grenade- just a matter of when, and how much collateral damage will there be?
The Tau already know about Psykers, there's an entire race of them in their empire called the Nicassar. Also, they already experimented with Imperium style warp drives, that's how the wormhole opened up and the Startide Nexus was created.
Because they’re morons who think 40k has anything close to a consistent tone (or aesthetic besides being overdesigned)
It doesn’t help that there are lots of cretins like this who take 40k seriously in a thematic sense. If you do this you’re the male equivalent of the women who love analogising politics with Harry Potter
>Tau ofinally enter the Warp completely naked because the imperium failed to inform them on what the Gellar Field is actually for
>ships get lost and the entire crew is now permanently traumatized as the humans on board became instant Chaos worshippers and Daemons came for the free meals
>everyone watching the voyage because its the equivalent of going to the Moon in the space race shat their pants collectively when they see Daemons for the first time
>meanwhile one of the tau generals gets a firsthand POV of the Imperium's true tactic of sending men to die at the speed of a neckbeard eating potato chips that she has never seen before
If GW didn't plan it they took ques and did it anyways and it was actually pretty good.
What about the many-handed blue spirit that shows up to protect the ship when Gue'vesa are aboard that's been known to pop up occasionally in the Warp? Is it how humans under Tau visualize the Emperor protecting them?
No, that´s an tau spirit apparently created through their psyker client races.
>giant dudes in bulbous armor with blocky guns
>giant dudes in bulbous armor with blocky guns BUT WITH SPIKES
>green fungus monsters with literal moron magic and ramshackle junk heaps
>xenomorph knockoffs
>black metal elves
>gypsy elves
>combat nuns
>egyptian terminators
>for some reason weeb ayylmaos with mecha are too ridiculous and stupid
Never understood 40ktards
4thpbp
Because they don’t.
Why not?
Because this.
No sillier than Dark Eldar in BDSM fetish gear or Orks will all their silly bullshit.
I don’t consider them fitting either, lol
...then what fricking factions ARE a part of Warhammer 40k to you? The Imperium is just Skaven in space, surely even it is too silly?
>the imperium is just skaven in space
That’s a new one
It really isn't. Self-sabotaging powerhouse that uses WW1 tier strategy in ground war.
It does have a lot in common with Skaven though.
Flanderising imperials to skaven only fits if you squint so hard you go blind.
The Imperial Guard are more Russian Army in space.
>The Imperium is just Skaven in space
Not a fair comparison since the Imperium aren't literally rat-people, whereas DE are literally BDSM elves. I for one never really had much gripe with DE not fitting in, but just saying.
>off model fan art doesnt fit the "tone" of 40k
I agree, but you're still a moron.
>primarch don't fit the setting because there's fan art of big-tittied hot primarch girls
I think we're onto something here, people...
Primarchs don't really fit in the setting because they were meant to be a quasi-mythical origin story for the Imperium's super soldiers. The Horus Heresy novels were a serious mistake.
You said they were based on "historical Japanese" which is far from the truth. The only really Japanese stuff is the use of shuriken in front of many of their ranged weapons and the occasional use of Tori gates.
they also have Sashimono banners you ingenuous frick
there is plenty of japanese influence to the eldar
>keeps listing singular examples
>posts fanart as proof
>doesn't acknowledge that there's a wide variety of influences on Eldar and Japanese are one of the smallest
Not that anon, but wanted to mention that one of their main weapons is the shuriken launcher…
Did you have salient points to make at all here? You're just nitpicking. Your original premise of "the Eldar are the ones who are inspired by the Japanese, not the Tau" was already disproven. The Tau were directly inspired by mecha anime. The Eldar only have influences, and the funniest part is that you claim everyone else is moving the goalposts because you already lost the argument in the second post.
Stop moving the goalposts anon, the original comment was the Japanese had a very slim-to-non-existent influence on Eldar design, such that it doesn't matter, and you keep denying this!
it's a depiction of a dire avenger exarch you moron
doesn't change the fact that they're still influenced by the japanese
stop moving the goalposts
Because they run counter to everything else in the setting. They're idealistic, capable, making new technology all the time, have safe AI, nigh-immune to Chaos, can handle just about any threat, don't have to rely on the Warp, etc. Somehow they get to have it all while every other faction is fricked up and barely hanging on, brought down by things the Tau master easily. Whenever the writers inject some grimderp into it, it's quickly snatched back and made into a good thing. There's nothing wrong with having a naive, idealistic faction, but there needs to be a price to pay for that liberal mindset. New race wants to join? Uh-oh, they all turned to Cronenberg monster portals and now we can't go to that sector anymore. Want to test a new weapon system? Uh-oh, the AI went rogue and now we can't go to that sector anymore. What a weird alien fauna we came across? Uh-oh, it infected our people and called for its friends to come and eat the planet, and now we can't go to that sector anymore. But no sacrifice is too great for the Greater Good. Would you like to know more?
There's several anons that would already argue that the Tau are morally worse than the Imperium.
I'd be one of them, but then the fluff decides to treat them as the good guys who are not that bad and it's all for the greater good. Any example you can find of how they're bad gets drowned in a sea of examples how they do everything right. Remember how rail rifles would fry the brain of their users or ion weapons irradiated their users. Well, all of those problems are gone, because we can't have Tau be bad at something on purpose. It was just an unfortunate reality of the situation. Imperium, however, are pure evil using plasma weapons that can blow up in your face.
All the examples you gave are just examples of technological advancement/regression, not morality.
Notice how the T'au(why do they have an apostrophe in a three letter word?) are often losing or suffering dire consequences and are too small to ever have any meaningful effect upon the setting beyond their minor, devastated region of space? It's because that's the point of the T'au. That they have good intent but will never truly succeed. Giving you a glimpse of what could be, and making sure you know it will NEVER happen.
>why do they have an apostrophe in a three letter word?
Because "Tau" was a word before GW used it, so they can't copyright it.
in the grim darkness of the far future
there is only copyright law
not much of an argument
At least the Imperium is honest. The Tau are authoritarians who hide it behind a veneer of niceness.
Not really. The T'au are straightforward according to the codexes. They let people know that they are the first among equals.
Also, the T'au are truly nice and make efforts to improve the lives of those under them.
>nigh-immune to Chaos
moron
>don't have to rely on the Warp
double moron
>Somehow they get to have it all
triple moron
opinion discarded
>moron
Yeah, do give us examples of all the times Tau got corrupted and turned on their fellow Tau.
>double moron
Even when Tau had their jump drives, they did not enter the Warp, their FTL travel was safe, even if slower than proper Warp travel.
>triple moron
Safe AI, technological progress, no real internal conflicts (even Farsight got wrangled back into the fold as just a curiosity, not an open revolt against the system), can beat the Imperium, Orks and Tyranids back, etc. Sure are the underdogs.
>do give us examples
the time they tried to use the warp and an entire colony fleet had to be expunged and everyone involved got ptsd
>even if slower
yeah, and because it's so slow they basically have no ability to quickly react to things, and it also means their empire is a mere handful of planets
the imperium loses more planets in a day than the tau have colonized in their entire history, and could be wiped out near instantaneously if someone decided
>can beat the imperium, orks, and tyranids back
if they're lucky
most conflicts with the tau are minor and major conflicts seriously frick them up
not to mention their naivete and comparative internal stability, they are extremely vulnerable to exploitation, like when a genestealer cult popped up on a planet and they basically did nothing about it because the earth caste said
"it's totally okay :^)" and ignored it to probably fester and takeover an entire planet
all of their "benefits" look like benefits, but most of the bad shit that happens to other factions happens as a result of the immense powers they wield, and the tau only exist through relative obscurity to the greater galaxy
>the time they tried to use the warp and an entire colony fleet had to be expunged
You mean the 4th Sphere Expansion?
>everyone involved got ptsd
Meanwhile anyone else getting involved with the warp results in mutations, corruption, daemonic possession, etc.
>yeah, and because it's so slow they basically have no ability to quickly react to things
Still orders of magnitude faster than not having FTL, like they got reduced to in 6e.
>the imperium loses more planets in a day than the tau have colonized in their entire history, and could be wiped out near instantaneously if someone decided
And the Imperium decided. Twice. And got their shit pushed in.
>if they're lucky
And they've been.
>like when a genestealer cult popped up on a planet and they basically did nothing about it
In Achilus Assault they managed to cure Genestealer infection.
>Meanwhile anyone else getting involved with the warp results in mutations, corruption, daemonic possession
The Tau have very dim souls, they weren't as badly affected as the auxillaries were (who were all killed).
>And the Imperium decided. Twice
Not really, the Imperium sent very tiny crusades, minimal effort.
>The Tau have very dim souls
So do inanimate objects, but they can get corrupted too.
>Not really, the Imperium sent very tiny crusades, minimal effort.
That's not how it's presented in the fluff.
>but they can get corrupted too.
They can, but it's still more difficult, hence why the Votann tend to be difficult to corrupt. Also, there are examples of Tau being corrupted, it's just rare.
>That's not how it's presented in the fluff.
"Everything they have" in this context is really just "everything they have that isn't being used on things far more important". Keep in mind they only sent 19 regiments and like 50 or so ships, barely a force at all.
>mighty armada of Imperial warships
>over one thousand regiments
>several full battle companies
>titans
Eh, still small by Imperial standards.
Imperial Forces at the onset of the 13 Black Crusade numbered 1341 regiments, so I guess that was a small engagement as well.
Yes.
>Meanwhile anyone else getting involved with the warp results in mutations, corruption, daemonic possession, etc.
anon 3/4ths of the sphere was destroyed
but nah I'm sure they just peacefully went in their sleep and didn't experience horrible nightmarish deaths
They do enter the warp, just to a lesser degree. Their AI hasn't gotten to the point of the men of iron and if it did they might have their own age of strife.
What if I told you that single hive worlds have more humans than the tau have tau?
>What if I told you that single hive worlds have more humans than the tau have tau?
This is actually no longer true, the Tau have already captured multiple human hive worlds and integrated their population into the Tau Empire.
Humans are not Tau.
I don't remember the tau being immune to a chaos space marine tearing their arms off and beating them to death with their own gun while their severed arm is still holding it.
>idealistic, capable, making new technology all the time,
You just described Primaris Marines.
Yes, things that don't fit into 40k.
>They're idealistic, capable, making new technology all the time, have safe AI, nigh-immune to Chaos, can handle just about any threat, don't have to rely on the Warp,
Leagues of Votann
WE STAY FRICKING WINNING LEAGUECHADS
This homosexual right here is a hundred times more noblebright then the Tau Empire ever was but everybody eat his ass.
If he is Noblebright then why is The Imperium still grimdark? Isn’t he in charge now?
He's only had 12 years. After he got rid of all the High Lords of Terra there's nobody to oppose him.
what DOES fit into the setting of 40k?
your mom
almost
>Take a warhammer fantasy miniature
>Glue a gun in it's hand
>Profit
That's really the main determinant and why there was so much backlash against the Tau.
Nids get a pass though because they were rogue trader era.
Tau are just the fantasy Empire in space
Anything that GW is ripping off from other historical or sci fi sources and trying to sell to you at the moment.
neutral-frog.jpg posters don't deserve getting an answer.
Those abs hurt my soul
Because some douche showing up to a game about WWI style tanks and massed bayonet charges with missile spam and hypertechnology like weapons that make your pals with real guns more accurate or plasma weapons that don't hurt you (risk reward without the risk lmao isn't that fun) or better invulnerable saves than literal magic is bullshit and power gaming homosexualry of the highest order. Me and my pals shunned Taugays and it never steered us wrong.
Like a dude showing up to a Ren fair and complaining about historical inaccuracies. No one fricking cares and it's the sign of a prick who needs a slap or three to remind them of what their place in the world is.
Tau are fricking pay to win bullshit from day one and only served to offer Guard but Better to gays who felt that driving closer so your commanders could hit people with their swords was less fun than sitting in a corner and rocketing each other off the map.
Frick Tau and frick anyone who plays them.
you *literally* just made a comparison of someone clashing aesthetics right above where you said nobody cares about complaining of historical innaccuracies which is basically what you're doing
I can clearly tell you're just a grognard still salty about early editions of tau, so your opinion can be discarded
>I can clearly tell you're just a grognard still salty about early editions of tau, so your opinion can be discarded
Nice try moron but I was like 4 editions late into the game and Tau had only gotten more ridiculous as flyers and Riptides showed up. Eat shit.
>blah blah blah why is it bullshit to have a consistent tone and feeling? blah blah blah
If you had two brain cells to rub together you would realize my point was that everyone agreed that no matter if you played elves or bug monsters or orcs or super soldiers or space army men, it was fun to drive up and hit people with swords. This was lost on the morons who felt that sitting in a corner and rocketing each other off the map was more fun. They rolled in and proceeded to cheese everything. They appealed to weaboo gays and generally never had anything going for them except Kroot, who get jack shit in favor of more mechs.
You need to rethink your life choices.
That's great and all but I don't remember asking you a question.
>hypertechnology
which is less advanced than everything the Imperium has
you're just b***hing for the sake of b***hing
>plasma weapons that don't overheat
>regular rifles that don't suck dick
>deflector shields that provide better invulnerable saves than literal magic
>a power fist that doesn't slow you down and hits with S10 AP1 given to the fricking ranged faction
>fricking railguns
>guided missiles
>flying giant mechs
I don't know much about new stuff, I dropped 40k around a decade ago, but hot damn were they absolute bullshit.
The plasma weapons are less powerful than the Imperium's, their regular rifles are less versatile than the Imperium's and can't be powered by the sun or a campfire, and guided missiles are something we've had since the fricking 1960's.
Their plasma weaponry is literally identical except it doesn't get hot. I read their rulebook back in the day.
Maybe that changed since I was 14 but I distinctly remember losing Terminators to those Crisis teams
then you're fricking moronic, the plasma rifle was S6 Ap3 in early editions, you probably lost termis to fusion blasters, which are melta guns.
They weren't within melta range.
I don't disbelieve you anon but do you have proofs of this plasma statline?
>their regular rifles are less versatile than the Imperium's
Is there any lore about that? Tau lore is pretty sparse with details like that. It is not an accident given the overwhelming focus on the Imperium. For all we know, they could 3D print their rifles on the field.
>lasguns powered by the sun
If you have a solar panel sitting around and a plug to hook it up yeah
>muh campfire
Cuts the clip in half and gives it the unreliable quality and can only be used once before it breaks the fricking magazine
Tau guns are longer ranged and more accurate. Their carbine fricking stuns people too. The lasgun isn't versatile in comparison by any means.
Because 40k is and always was warhammer fantasy battle IN SPAAAAAAACE. They do not fit the science fantasy schtick.
Warhammer Fantasy had the Dwarves, small race reliant on technology over magic.
And 40k has Squats. Your point?
Yeah and you know what it's full of anon? Spaceships and cyborgs and laser guns.
>hey guys look I made another tau thread haha look free replies
I am so tired of this place
>Tau don't fit with the tone
I agree. All Tau girls must have mandated training for their abs. The average SoB is toned enough to have a six pack.
Only redditors fresh off some youtube personality's wikipage reading video or stupid grognards still think this.
I think a cool idea would be that the T'au accidentally find a way to control Orks(some kind of residual control mechanism from when they were created by the Old Ones) and the T'au think they've actually convinced the Ork to join them and suddenly they're in command of nearly every Ork in the Galaxy and a real power to behold and just maybe they'll fix everything up and un-dark the grimdarkness of the far future. The Orks start rebuilding worlds working as a collective.
But then one Ork wants to fight more than he wants to listen to some Blue bastard talk about water reclamation filtering processes and instantly their tech fails across the galaxy and the Orks return to normal and proceed to beat the snot out of every T'au nearby.
Because they're secondaries whose only knowledge of the setting is through memes and think Marines, IG, SoB and Chaos are the only factions.
The whole "Tau are naive" thing is pretty much old lore by this point, the Tau WERE naive, they'd undergone character development since then.
They don't have feet.
For some reason all Tau players or fanboys I have seem are annoying liberals who tend to dislike the setting and want things changed (like female marines).
So are Space Marines players but you don't see them going away any time soon.
Because they are sci-fi in a fantasy setting, which is 40k.
>What are the Necrons
>magic undead egyptians are sci-fi
what did he mean by this?
>robots
>undead
You must be really confused by chatbots
they're not robots, they're metallic undead. they used to be people. or, well, aliens rather.
They're literally just robots.
so, what, are we pretending biotransference didn't happen?
They had their consciousness transferred into the robots, that's not being undead.
they're literally tomb lords in space, bro.
And the Imperium is just the Skaven in space, and the Tau are just the Empire in space, they all got an origin somewhere.
>robots aren't fantasy
Most scifi robot designs are really impractical at best. I don't care what tech level you're at this will never be a worthwhile killbot design.
I can't wait until the necrons are the old ones, the eldar are the necrons, the imperium are the eldar, the tau are the imperium, and I don't know who are the tau.
>Why do people say that the Tau don't fit with the tone of Warhammer 40k?
Because they don't understand that they're a very long joke about Labour policy. Which fits in fine with all of the other very long jokes that populate the Warhammer universe.
>Orks: Fungus orcs that talk with wienerney british accents. Through collective belief can believe that some rubberbands and a bunch of pigs can destroy enitre starfleets, and its actually a fact.
>Tau: Anime aliens that shoot from afar and use mechs.
And I say this as someone who plays Orks.
/tau/ tau general
/tau/ tau general
>hy do people say that the Tau don't fit with the tone of Warhammer 40k?
people get pissed at "Weebshit" for some stupid ass reason, it's either that or "grimdark" purists that think the setting is ruined if there's ever a tiny sliver of anything that looks like a break from the status quo.
Because the Tau aren't nearly fricked up enough. Every other faction is terrible in at least some way, Tau are just kind bad and lame.
>Smoothbrain Take: Its not grim and fricked up enough.
>Bigbrain Take: Its not as grim, and while they try to do good in some regard, they are still unable to change how dystopian the future that is 40k. Meaning it adds to how fricked up the setting is by simply comparison.
40k isn't supposed to be unironically tragic. It's 10 thousand steps beyond plausibility, and on purpose. There doesn't need to be a doe eyed optimist faction just to prove how hopeless the situation is, because its hopelessness is already the punctuation to every sentence ever written about it.
>"Its supposed to be unironically tragic"
>"There isn't supposed to be a doe eyed optimist faction to prove how hopeless the situation is"
But having one adds to the setting. It does't detract in anyway. As its all about how fricked up the situation is. It answers the question of "Well what if there was a less fricked up civilization?"
I said it isn't supposed to be. 40k isn't a tragedy, it's a comedy.
A ray of sunshine in comparison to the rest, yet everything is still hopeless however. If anything thats even more dark. Even more so adding to the punchline of the setting.
>no fluffy white bush peeking over the cloth