Why do people simp for Sephiroth so much and talk that he is "the best villain in gaming" when pretty much the point is that he died 5 years ago, and what you face is essentially a puppet of Jenova?
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Because he’s fricking cool
>he died before the game started
stop with this meme.
He's the best villain because he literally wins. None of the villains around that era ever won, every final fantasy before that one they lost due to the power of "light" or some other bullshit.
Kafka won before him in the very same franchise
bro I didn't play the older games I'm just generalizing because they all look the same.
The point is Sephiroth won and wreckt shit.
>got literally nothing he wanted
>defeated at every turn
>gets swatted down every time he finds a way to make a comeback
>a literal schizophrenic cross dressing twink keeps beating his shit in
>won
ok
>Kafka
Sephiroth got murdered by a rookie cop/grunt repeatedly. Kefka actually won. FF has a lot of Saturday morning one dimensional villains but Sephiroth is probably the most egregious of all.
The only reason people say Kefka "won" is because his end goal was dogshit and easily attainable. He doesn't succeed any more than Emperor Mateus and he gets BTFO after a temporary victory as well. Kefka was obsolete 4 games before he even existed.
all you need to beat Kefka is celes. her natural power is the best in the game
>None of the villains around that era ever won
homie, literally Kefka won in the previous game.
>stop with this meme.
How is this a meme? He's literally a disembodied torso inside a crystal in the middle of a crater.
Meanwhile it's clearly stated (AND SHOWN) that Jenova can shapeshift.
Sephiroth is controlling the Jenova cells. Not the other way around. This has been confirmed since the original Ultimania for FFVII.
>the original Ultimania for FFVII.
Imagine having to get clarification about who the frick the villain even is in a game from a book.
You don't have to. The game itself outright says that it's sephiroth the whole time. Which is also obvious given that the final form of the final boss is an idealized form of Sephiroth, and that the conclusion to that fight is Cloud defeating Sephiroth himself from taking over his own consciousness. Literally nothing in the game even hints that the Sephiroth you face throughout the game is just Jenova assuming the form of Sephiroth for literally no reason, when it would actually be advantageous to take the physical shape of literally any other person.
You literally find out that the real Sephiroth has been in a cocoon in a cave the whole time since Cloud killed him as a child soldier and every villainous act carried out by "Sephiroth" was Jenova.
>Stabbed Aerith?
That was Jenova.
>The fight on the boat?
Jenova.
>Killed everyone at Shinra HQ?
Jenova.
Hey good for you, you found out the real intent from a translated book 20+ years ago but that's shit story telling. Square has always done this shit and they're still doing it. You need a book a movie and 3 mobile games to get all the content.
The thing is: If it is Sephiroth, then it's a worse version of Kefka.
But if it Jenova, then it's a better version of Zeromus.
Sephiroth and Kefka are similar in many ways but distinct in a very important way. Kefka did everything he did because he assumed that it would help him to fill what he recognized as a gap in his existence, but failed to do so, because being a sociopath, he was unable to even recognize that the hollowness he felt was not having even a single genuine relationship of any kind with anyone. Sephiroth, on the other hand, actually does want to become a god for the sake of his own ambitions, he is perfectly content being alone, he is capable of caring for others but simply thinks they are not worth it. Kefka is a fundamentally broken person who needs to be put down like the mad dog he is, while Sephiroth is just a fricking shithead.
It was Jenova tissue but Sephiroth's will. One guy with lots of bodies. He even tries to take over Cloud's body at the very end of the game, but fails, since Cloud regained his real identity and confidence and thus was able to overpower Sephiroth's will with his own.
That’s just the 100% confirmation. I think most people assumed Sephiroth was the one in control but there was some room for debate. The Ultimania just came right out with it. A similar thing is happened with DMC4, which all but spells out that Vergil is Nero’s father. It wasn’t explicitly confirmed until the art book released, however.
>Sephiroth is controlling the Jenova cells. Not the other way around.
Now that got me interested, what are his motives, then?
And please don't tell me "muh Cetra" because we learn later in the game (And so should Sephiroth) that Jenova isn't an ancient.
I know the point is to draw a parallel with him and Cloud and how each one reacted upon learning their whole life was a lie and not having anything to cling to (Except, in Cloud's case, his whole life was actually the truth with the exception of a small part and he gaslit the frick out of himself)... but that still doesn't explain why Sephiroth did what he did if not because "Jenova told him to".
The fricking floating baby from Eternal Ring feels like a better execution.
>what are his motives, then?
Not too dissimilar from Jenova, but then, that's the point. Sephiroth is essentially Shinra taken to its logical extreme. Sephiroth wants to wound the planet and then eat its soul to enrich his own power and splendor because he thinks he just just uniquely deserves it. Because he is emblematic of human green, vanity, and selfishness. The fact that he and hojo aren't too far removed from an all consuming alien parasite is pretty much the main theme of the game.
>Sephiroth want
And that's the problem.
If he did all of that because it is imprinted on his mind to make Shinra's objecives and he just got to that extreme conclusion similar to an "AI gone wrong" scenario, it would be one thing and masterfully done.
But the fact that he WANTS it, when nothing presented beforehand justifies it just comes off as... weird.
It's not weird, he's just a shithead. A bad person. He wants it because he thinks he's a unique and brilliant life form who should get to consume the whole world if he wants, simply because it is he who wants it. This is because FFVII was a very blunt environmentalist game, and Sephiroth was emblematic of the worst of humanity's tendency to disregard both other people and the world around us for the sake of satisfying whims and greed, and the rationalizations we make to justify that behavior. I'm not even a fan of hippy shit but it was well executed, and it baffles me that such a straight forward metaphor flies over people's heads.
Typical JRPG villain motivation: he wants to become a god. The idea is for the meteor to burst open the planet, so the planet has to release all the Lifestream to heal itself, which Sephiroth will absorb to become a god. After that? Who knows. Maybe continue Jenova’s legacy and go destroy other planets.
>goes insane and wants to become a god
So a worse version of Kefka?
It just comes as weird it being a "Typical JRPG villain motivation" when the entire story of FF7 was pretty serious.
This is where the whole Sephiroth vs Jenova debate originates. Jenova was an alien parasite that infiltrated planets to feed on the life there and then it moved on to other planets via meteors. Shinra was a evil corporation that bastardized a Cetra legend just so they could use the souls of the dead to make money. And they were going to drain the life from the planet to make that happen.
Sephiroth is the worst of both worlds. He thought he had a right to the Planet because his "mother" was supposed to have it. Initially because he read an erroneous report from Dr. Gast that confused Jenova for a Cetra and later when he discovered that Jenova had actually killed the Cetra. The same way Shinra bastardized Cetra knowledge for themselves, Sephiroth bastardized the knowledge within the Planet for himself. He's like this horrible apotheosis of a greedy parasite.
I don't think Sephiroth is much of a character on his own. It's more of the concept of his character that everyone likes. Also it's how he affects Cloud as a character that makes him memorable.
>This is where the whole Sephiroth vs Jenova debate originates. Jenova was an alien parasite that infiltrated planets to feed on the life there and then it moved on to other planets via meteors. Shinra was a evil corporation that bastardized a Cetra legend just so they could use the souls of the dead to make money. And they were going to drain the life from the planet to make that happen. Sephiroth is the worst of both worlds.
Bingo. It's so weird to me that people don't pick up on the obvious thematic parallel.
Worse than that, Sephiroth is a worse version of Xande
>what are his motives, then?
Pretty much to become not-Lavos which he failed at
Kefka won. 2nd half of the game is the characters coping.
Phantasy Star II ends with the main cast being killed and that's 1989
not final fanstasy.
That's literally false. It's intentionally made ambiguous what happened to the main party after Phantasy Star II events.
But Phantasy Star IV outright confirmed they were completely fine.
ultimecia actually kompresses time in 8, sephiroth casted meteor on a target equipped with meteor:null.
>dies
>planet keeps spinning
>literally gets 1 major kill on someone important
>”won”
How does he win?
Kefka and Kuja came a lot closer to their goals than he did.
>iconic design
>iconic theme
>menacing and built up well
His motivations are kind of coocoo, no moral grey about it or way to epicly say he did nothing wrong..
>no moral grey about it or way to epicly say he did nothing wrong
"An ant has no quarrel with a boot." Sephiroth believed himself to be, and had a pretty solid argument for, being objectively superior to humanity, all other forms of life on Gaia, and indeed Gaia itself. He wanted to destroy the planet, absorb the lifestream, ascend to Godhood, and travel the cosmos to seek out new worlds to prey upon. Sounds horrifying, and it is... but do you put much thought into the steak on your plate? Of course not, if the cow's thoughts were worth considering, they wouldn't be dinner.
Same thing with Sephy, relative to humanity.
>He's the best villain because he literally wins
Cloud has bodied him on three separate occasions. Dude lost so hard he's trying to Rick Sanchez himself back into relevance. His single greatest accomplishment, to date, was killing the side piece. Meanwhile, Kefka literally broke the world; the entire second half of FF6 Kefka is on "do what you must, I've already won" mode; the protagonists of FF6 don't take the fight to Kefka to win, as they've already lost, they do it to have a chance at hope.
I think that illustrates the difference between Sephiroth and Kefka. Both were created to be weapons. But Kefka says "nothing matters" while Sephiroth says "only I matter."
>But Kefka says "nothing matters"
mfw he fell for the we live in a simulated reality pill
Playing ff7 for the first time in the late 90s to the mid 2000s is a completely different experience than playing it now for the first time. You can look back on it now without bias and easily say that Kefka was a better antagonist but back then it wasn't even close
Because he teaches Cloud that it's ok for him to be a little gay femboy by just ruining his life.
Because to this day he's still the best villain in JRPG, and with the best build up. The Kalm flashbacks where Cloud tells the group about Sephiroth and you actually get to see him in action via the games battle system had JRPG noobs shidding and cumming in their pants. One Wing Angel as a final boss theme can never be topped.
I used to think, in my cringe teenage angst, that he was just cool silent katana man. But as an adult playing it regularly you see that they actually built him up perfectly. He didnt give a frick about you. He wasnt trying to stop you. He wasnt giving awful monologues at every turn or sending bumbling idiot henchmen after you. He was literally just an insanely powerful bioweapon that gained free will, and you only beat him because you were a bioweapon as well. Him being thrown into the mako in the past wasnt because you were better then him at all, it was because he underestimated cloud. You spend the entire game fighting lesser evils until you reach him, as to not cheapen his power level.
>villain is evil because... his mom was evil
Sephiroth is evil because man is evil.
Sephiroth was literally born to be evil. His mother was a Lovecraftian monster who was never supposed to be here. His father was a sociopathic scientist with zero moral fiber and no compunction about hurting other people for his own curiosity. Even still he tried to be good. From what little dialogue we get before he goes crazy he was just aloof. But he considered Hojo to be a joke. He allowed Cloud to go see his family since he was in town. But as he says at the reactor
>Sephiroth
>...I've always felt since I was small...
>That I was different from the others. >Special, in some way.
>But... not like this...
>Cloud (narrating)
>Am I...... human?
>I didn't quite understand what Sephiroth was saying at that time.
>I was even more surprised by the fact that Shinra was producing monsters.
And yeah. That tracks. Sephiroth was always a monster. He just didn't know it. No one knows how monstrous Shinra actually is. The only people who do know how bad Shinra really is are too unimportant or too dead to care about.
Sephiroth's mother was Lucrecia Crescent. JENOVA is no more his mother than anyone else harboring her tissue, IE, literally all SOLDIERS. Sephiroth was born evil simply because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and Hojo was an evil fricking tree.
Because most FF7 "fans" never played the original game or give a shit about it, and as FF7Demake proved, they don't even care if it's good. It's le heckin' Final fantasyrino seventino, and everyone says it's the best, so it is the fricking best.
Sephiroth is a dime a dozen JRPG villain who has a "tragic backstory" of being experimented on and being given super powers as a result. He then goes CRAYZEEE and wants to become a god. Why and for what purpose? Who cares you dumb frick, he's a villain, go stop him. The actual interesting part of FF7's story is that all the heroes are dickheads and just generally bad people. Aerith is an emotionally manipulative psychopath who plays innocent and helpless in order to escape Shinra, and then gets herself killed by Sephiroth on purpose to make the rest of the cast hate him more and kill him. Tifa is also a c**t, who lies and let's Cloud run around thinking his delusions are real in order to manipulate him to fight Shinra and Sephiroth. Barret is an eco-fascist terrorist cell leader who recruits Biggs, Jesse and Wedge (literal teenagers, as they were the only ones dumb enough to buy into his deluded shit), and then gets them killed by Shinra, as anyone with any common sense would predict. Barret is also a hypocrite, who got his town taken over by Shinra and mindraped his supposed best friend by stealing his daughter and raising her as his own, never even looking for him. I could go on and on, but the point is most FF7 "fans" have never even played the game.
It's weird that you have insight into the player characters but missed that Sephiroth didn't actually go insane and just latched onto the first excuse he could find to justify the feelings of superiority he already felt over the people around him, really just using it as an excuse to treat everyone and the whole world like shit, like a disposable resource.
>all the heroes are dickheads and just generally bad people
red xiii is a dickhead in the teenage sense of not knowing the truth about his father but he's the outlier.
True, Red is the outlier. In a narrative sense i suppose he represents the arrogance of youth. He speaks and acts like a know-it all and a wise old man, when in reality he jumps to conclusions and his balls have barely descended.
you guys are spelling nanaki wrong
So what's the chance Red 13 isn't actually the designation Hojo gave him but some chunni bullshit he invented to look cool
he has XIII tattooed on his shoulder. the red part is probably his own flair though hojo probably just called him subject 13
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if the tattoo was something he had before Hojo captured him since it has a completely different design than all the other test subjects AND he doesn't have Jenova cells
What evidence is there that Sephiroth wasn't Jenova's pawn right up until the end?
The fact that he kept projecting himself as Sephiroth through the JENOVA cells, when if it was her in charge, she could have (and often had reason to) assume basically any other form. Plus nothing in the game indicates that Jenova is even still alive or has a coherent will, it's just her tissue still being cultured. Funny enough we do that IRL.
Sephiroth is arguably the most useful form Jenova could have taken though, he's already acknowledged as pretty much the strongest being on the planet and is far less likely to be attacked than some monster form.
did you look at him? he looks cool as shit
>and what you face is essentially a puppet of Jenova?
It's a symbiotic relationship, it went from jenova controlling him to him using it as a shapeshifting avatar to shitpost long range.
I still think "jenova was using him as a puppet at first until he got the black materia
Yeah thats kind of what I was saying.
Hojo's dialogue leads us to believe that Sephiroth was in the driver's seat though. In the Northern Crater he talks about why he had Jenova's corpse moved from Nibelheim to Midgar. After learning what Jenova actually was and coming up with the Reunion theory, he put Jenova's corpse in Shinra Tower. The idea being that everyone with Jenova's cells would start drifting towards the tower with Jenova's corpse as the centerpoint. But that didn't happen, instead it was Jenova's corpse that moved instead. With it and all the Sephiroth clones drifting towards the Northern Crater, with Sephiroth's corpse being the centerpoint. So Hojo comes to the conclusion that Sephiroth has usurped Jenova's abilities for himself.
Sephi gushes his plan to Cloud and co. during and after Temple of the Ancients too. Black folk can't read apparently.
People make too much of a distinction between Sephiroth and Jenova to begin with. Sephiroth was conceived from the beginning by Hojo as a fusion of humanity and Jenova, and after a life of growing up as an elite soldier and feeling distant from everyone around him, to having an identity crisis when he finds out about his origins, to concocting a plan to elevate himself to a god, Sephiroth takes man's capacity for evil and Jenova's more difficult to understand alien evil and combines them into one entity bent on fricking up the planet and its environment even worse than the ancient calamity from the sky or today's Shinra corporation ever could. It's not one of two entities mind controlling the other, together they are one fricked up thing with aligned goals.
You know what's really fricked up. Shinra, as in the top brass, believes in the Cetra stories. They heard the tales of the Promised Land and they believe it exists somewhere. The didn't know Jenova was an alien at the time of Sephiroth's conception, they made Sephiroth as a way to get a human with Cetra abilities so that he could find the Promised Land for them. Hojo hadn't taken Ifalna custody yet. So they were knowingly killing the planet and just didn't give a frick. And they rebranded "The Lifestream" as "Mako" so that the general public wouldn't understand what they were sacrificing for their electricity and convenience.
Imagine someone reading the Bible. And reaching the scripture that speaks of Heaven with streets of gold. And rather than it inspiring them towards a spiritual connection with God so they could have Heaven to look forward to, instead they make a lab baby that could infiltrate Heaven. So the baby can tell them where it is so the Army can invade it and harvest the gold. Shinra is THAT level of insane.
How was Sephiroth's corpse controling Jenova?
Magic lifestream bullshit,
Sephiroth didn't die. Cloud inflicted a wound, but Sephiroth was thrown into the reactor/lifestream very much alive.
Then Sephiroth ended up in the Northern Crater, his body in some form of stasis, healing up until Shinra, Jenova, most of the Sephiroth Clones, and Cloud showed with the Black Materia.
But why did Jenova want to reach him? He had some of her cells but beyond that I don't understand why.
The Reunion. When Jenova is divided, the disparate pieces will try and rejoin back into one entity. Logic would dictate that the scattered Jenova remains would converge on the main body in Shinra Tower. But the main body moved too. So somehow Sephiroth took priority over the main body. The in game dialogue says
>Hojo
>You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion.
>I have been waiting for the Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the Clones have begun to return.
>I thought the clones would begin to gather at Midgar where Jenova is stored.
>But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra Building.
>But being a genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing.
>Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the Lifestream; he wants to manipulate the Clones himself.
>Cloud
>Yes, that was how it got started.
>Hojo
>I wondered where the clones were going, but I was never able to figure it out.
>Cloud
>I couldn't figure it out, either.
>Hojo
>The one thing that I did know was that Sephiroth was at their final destination.
>Cloud
>I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth.
>I was being summoned by Sephiroth.
>All the anger and hatred I bore him, made it impossible for me to ever forget him. That and what he gave me...
Jenova herself seems to just be a predator doing what predators do. While Sephiroth himself is intelligent and is actively manipulating events towards his benefit
That's also why the final form of Jenova is Jenova SYNTHESIS. It's the true form of Jenova after the Reunion has taken place and probably the way it looked when it crash landed onto Gaia
Why/how did Jenova take the form of a regular woman?
That's how it hunts. When the Crisis from the Sky occurred the Planet realized that there was something alive on the meteor that fell on the northern continent. It warned the Cetra to stay away from the impact site but the Cetra, wanting to help the planet heal by cultivating the impact site, approached the northern continent anyway. Only to be ambushed by Jenova who them corrupted their bodies and used them as their thralls. As well as shape shifting to infiltrate and destroy Cetra settlements before they could figure out how to counter her. Concerning Jenova Ifalna says this:
>Ifalna
>Yes, the energy that was needed to heal the Planet withered away the land... then the Planet...
>The Planet tried to persuade the Cetra to leave the Knowlespole, but...
>Gast
>Ifalna... Let's take a break.
>Ifalna
>I'm all right... When the Cetra... were preparing to part with the land they loved...
>That's when it appeared!
>It looked like... our... our dead mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past.
>Gast
>Who is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea.
>Ifalna
>That's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the sky', as we call him, came.
>He first approached as a friend, deceived them, and finally...... gave them the virus.
>The Cetra were attacked by the virus and went mad... transforming into monsters.
I'm desperation the Planet created WEAPON to destroy Jenova and all related to her but the Cetra defeated and sealed Jenova back in the Northern cave before it was complete. So the planet diverted all natural energy to keep her locked up there until Shinra found her during an expedition and assumed she was an Ancient because she looked like a normal woman. Not realizing it was an alien with a shape shifting ability.
No. Synthesis is not Jenova's final form.
BIRTH->LIFE->DEATH->SYNTHESIS->REBIRTH->SEFER SEPHIROT
The whole thing chronicles the life cycle of Jenova, how it was defeated, how it was fused with a human (synthesis) and reborn as Sephiroth the new God.
he can frick anyone up even before he went insane
God Genesis is so fricking awful. You can see the strain of SE trying to make a newer, cooler Sephiroth in his every action
>Sephiroth has "clones" but they're really just dudes with Jenova cells he can influence
>Genesis has literal fricking clones he uses as disposable goons
Is Crisis Core even worth finishing, I'm at the second major mission with Tseng and I'm already burnt the frick out
I both love and hate the final mission in that game where Zack dies. On the one hand it's way too bombastic. In the original game Zack is shot dead and it's very not heroic. He dies like a dog on a nondescript Hill and the only reason the soldiers don't kill cloud is because he's so mind broken the soldiers can't be assed to waste the bullets. In Crisis Core it's a one-man Army versus an entire battalion until he gets worn down. That being said it's the only worthwhile use of the DMW. Because the DMW operates using Zachks memories of his friends to give him strength. And you can see the faces fading away as the battle progresses. Creating the implication that Zack is forgetting all of the people he knew as he's dying until the only face he has left is Aerith's. Which is a really cool use of a system I hate.
Can anyone explain Japan's fascination with gatcha?
>Can anyone explain Japan's fascination with gatcha?
it took root in the 80s with the 500 yen coin allowing figurines of decent quality to be put in a vending machine.
Asians are all gambling addicts.
I loved that last part too but Idon't understand how he gets shot in the head, point blank, and then wakes up in the next CGI cutscene with everyone around him dead.
We want the really shocking moment of a Zack dying like a dog but we also want the melodrama so you feel the end is satisfying. To me Crisis Core feels very pointless. I know everybody likes Zack and I get it Zack is a good character. But his story feels so worthless. Very little of it is centered on the world itself and is concentrated on Zack and his cadre of super soldiers. And it means nothing because the ones that are present in the OG you know how their stories end. The ones that are not present in the OG their stories go nowhere. Ever wonder what Cissnei's real name is? What was Lazard doing all that time he was missing just to end as an Angeal fake out? What the frick even is Minerva? Is she an actual goddess or was that just the planet fricking with Genesis? None of what happens in Crisis Core actually matters and the stuff that does matter we've already seen. As much as I like Zack, and I really do like Zack, I loathe crisis or because of the excessive importance it gave him. Like him having a force ghost in Advent Children. Before you could just interpret that as a memory Cloud was having about two people he lost that were important to him. Now you know he literally was there. Why hasn't he defused into the live stream yet? Because the fans like Zack. No one else gets to stick around as a force ghost because they don't have the out of universe popularity. You know... like Cloud's mother.
>Ever wonder what Cissnei's real name is?
I hope she shows up in the sequel because she's a 10/10 qt3.14. Sexy voice, too.
>Why do people simp for Sephiroth so much and talk that he is "the best villain in gaming"
Blame Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children, everything wrong with FF7 can be blamed on Kingdom Hearts and Advent Children
But the bigger question is, did Sephiroth inherit Hojo's NTR abilities?
he inherited his small wenis
His slaying of Aerith was a metaphor. It was his penis violating the innocent flower girl.
He lacks his father's chad ugly old man energy I still headcanon that finding out Hojo was his dad is what drove him insane
He's not insane, he's just evil. Which, yes, is because Hojo is his dad.
>He's not insane, he's just evil
Potato pothato
>cool and mysterious guy whose motives are a mystery who is a ever looming threat on the background who makes cameos and usually leaves a trail of bodies, bonus points because he used to be a "good guy"
for the same reason folken is a good villain in vision of escaflowne, both were from a era when cool and mysterious were the go to for good villains, the less you knew about their motivations the better villains they were because muh headcanon
It's alright, Murrayposter, this thread's safe. 3 hours from now though is another story.
Threads are good until NightSkyPrince wakes up
That's not the point at all. He's very much alive and if anything, Jenova is his puppet. Jenova, from what we see, doesn't seem to have much of her own agenda and may as well be the equivalent of Lavos, just a creature acting on instinct. Sephy, on the other hand, gains power from the Jenova cells in his body, not to mention hibernating cozied up next to the lifestream, and both things have driven him powermad. Sure, for a good chunk of the game he says he's doing everything for the sake of mommy Jenova but after a point he admits that she doesn't matter and he just wants to become a god.
Is this impressive writing that puts him among the greatest most interesting villains? Probably not since his motivations are shallow as frick. My point is just that your synopsis of his character is completely inaccurate.
Final Fantasy 7 is best game, and losers who don't like it are peepee poopoo boys.
It's just a bunch of gays campaigning for their representation.
Sephiroth is Jenova. Jenova is Sephiroth. They are the same character. Sephiroth, his clones and the Jenova that binds them all are one macro life form that stretches across the planet, with Sephiroth as the brain.
Because he’s sexy as hell:
Did somebody say Sephiroth?
He a cool dude
Why does Sephiroth have one wing?
It's just part of the whole aesthetic, Jenova fell from the heavens, Sephiroth wants to ascend to godhood. A fallen angel with delusions of grandeur. Remover the feathery angel wing is from the extend universe, original game one wing is freaky Jenova wing.
Yea, I don't understand how anyone who has Jenova cells grows wings. Angeal has white wings, Genesis and Sephiroth have black wings. Is there any actual logic to this or is it just stupid?
>wings
I meant wing. One wing. No one has both wings which again I fail to understand. Hollander growing a tiny wing looks pathetic.
I just explained the logic, it's Square/Nomura taking the symbolism of the original game to its chuuni extreme.
Well... why did Genesis lose his wing at the end of CC? I'll be honest, I have no idea what happened in the last chapter. The goddess, the statue the lifestream CGI after beaing him. Clueless.
Genesis was healed of his degredation at the end of CC(either through the massive lifestream exposure or from the goddes materia/Minerva Im not sure), He still has jenova cells though, its how the deepground Tsviet guys from DoC were enhanced
He refuss to join deepground though and decided to hibernate under midgar until the ending of DoC, what happened afterwards was never explained or expanded on
Kingdom Hearts 1 featured both Cloud and Sephiroth. Originally Cloud was supposed to be Vincent but some shades of his design was given to Cloud like the Red Cloak and the demonic wing. Sephiroth was given a black raven wing not only to contrast Cloud but also as a reference to the one-wing angel. It was just a silly little redesign to make them fit into the Kingdom Hearts world.
But for some fricking reason Crisis Core decided to canonize the black wing. Now the Black Wing is an indicator that a person is carrying cells related to Jenova. Even though that was never a thing in the original game. The one-wing angel in the original game was meant to show that Sephiroth was approaching godhood. So we can think Kingdom Hearts for the stupid fricking Wing appearing in every Final Fantasy 7 related instance since. And more amusing than any of this is that because Genesis is now a canonical character in The Final Fantasy 7 universe, that means he beat Sephiroth to the black wing by 5 years. That shitty Gackt fan fiction character who was motivated by frustration at being a Sephiroth knock off just turned Sephiroth into a knock off of himself.
Fingers crossed for Rebirth showing some actual transformation sequences to prove once and for all that you're actually fighting Jenova and not Sephy with his solar plexus patched up.
A weird case where one of the people who created him (The design at least) went completely off his rocker and retroactively ruined him in Kingdom Hearts and beyond.
Jenova is horrifying as a result:
>consumed energy and life across the galaxy
>destroyed the Cetra
>given power over the strongest beings on the planet (Sephiroth included) thanks to Hojo's science boner
>thanks to having control of Seph, able to summon the strongest available black magic to nuke the Earth to suck the planet dry
The true horror is that she can shape-shift. You don't know Jenova is standing right next to you until it's too late. She can absorb the memories of her victims. Which means they behave exactly as they would until she gets what she wants. And then you're enslaved by her. The planet can't kill it. Up to this point there is no known way to kill her forever. Even if your strategy against her goes perfectly it's still a countdown until she comes back because she doesn't diffuse into the Earth like everything else. Trying to do so actually gives everyone cancer.
As of DoC the only remaining jenova cells are within Cloud, Genesis, Weiss, and Shelke
Clouds cells were from Sephiroth and he wrestled control over his psyche and should be fine,
Genesis got 2nd hand cells from Angeals mother and Weiss and Shelke got their cells from Genesis.
So the ability for Jenova to return(who would have to escape Sephiroths subjugation of will first) is practically 0, as is Sephiroths. Hes still assumingly floating within the lifestream as a spirit though and could theoretically conjure more "remnants" like he did in AC. On the way to a smile states hes practically parasitized onto Clouds memory of him and wont fade as long as people in he world remember him.
Ofcourse thats all compilation stuff though
That end is preferable. Honestly the idea that all of time and causality being warped around 3 people just feels like nonsense. So i can take an end where Sephiroth and Jenova are just really bad memories that everyone is aware of but now can move on from.
Bro how the frick he fit through the doooor
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Cause he's a good villain, you never get to see him for the first half of the game, all you hear is stories about how powerful and scary he is, and then he ends up impaling the midgar zolom and you go "holy shit!" And then he kills midgar president and you go "holy shit! Again"
Then the nibelheim flashback happens and it's really sold on you how badass sephiroth is when him and cloud get attacked by a dragon and he proceed to do like 10 times the damage young cloud does, then you see him slowly going insane as he learn his own backstory and burns nibelheim down and it just increase this aura of mystery and danger he has
I wish there was a modern game villain that was half as cool as sephiroth
Well that was also a time when Squaresoft knew what pacing was. Prior to President Shinra's death, Sephiroth was only mentioned once. And that was from President Shinra remarking that he can't remember the name of every Soldier but Sephiroth was unique and worthy of remembrance even if he wasn't around. Up to that point the Shinra Corporation was the primary opponent you had to face. And aside for the two reactors you blew up Shinra won every time. They successfully blew up the plate. Successfully destroyed Avalanche. Your plan to capture Aeris ended in failure. Even if you escaped with her Shinra still ruled the world. And then Sephiroth kills the president before you have a chance to fight him. That was a statement. Whatever threat Shinra presents to the world, Sephiroth is far worse. Anytime Sephiroth was on screen the tone instantly became tense.
That was then though. Now Sephiroth can't go 2 seconds without showing Cloud his panties
he's not actually dead though
and the reason people think he is cool is because he is maximum edgey, and has a literal 9 foot long legendary fricking katana.
the only people who have beaten him are Cloud and Sora
he also has the weird half alien thing going like Rei since all the devs were horny for evangelion back then, because that was also cool.