Why do they hate Nintendo?

Rollspam isnt mashing roll, its the idea every challenge in the game is built around rolling and rolling is always the easiest and fastest way to victory. Leading to incredibly 1 dimensional QTEesque gameplay.
Making someone roll 6 times against a bosses flailing combo and increasing it to 9 hits and you die in 2 attacks by the end of the game is peak shallow action game design

Only Souls and Bayonetta has a universal dodge.

It means the dodge works against every enemy action. You can't jump and roll from Mundus 2 Comet spam in DMC1 because going vertically is a death sentence and rolling side to side just gets you hit from the stupid kanji balls he spams. You need to actively think about the current enemy attack and what's the most safest defensive option to choose in the moment.

It's every Souls game and each Bayonetta. Can't thank of any others.

god damn those are some jank hitboxes. You people actually rate this shit?

Curiously, they're more accurate than ever
the problem is because From decided jump-button face-button, it had to become primary design consideration for encounters.

As such, many attacks will swing to high to punish jumping attacks, or lose tracking, or whatever. I dunno, but just go into an encounter spamming jumping attacks. You'll see what I mean.

This would be fine and dandy, and good, if the rest of combat pacing was tuned to the same speed as the jumps, such that players could realistically use it intentionally, but its not, and (some) attacks that look like you should be able to leap over, you can't, and it's not like bosses have enough health anyone should care, so just spam jumping attacks and get the tedious game over with already.

>NOOOOOOOOO my copypaste zanzibart rollslop 'difficult' masterpisses cant be worse than 30 year old tank control dungeon crawlers with bad graphix !
They can and are for too many reasons to list, get some taste kiddo

Kingsfield 3,4, and shadow tower are in my top 20 games. I played them all 3 times and did a few challenge runs

Are you under the impression that I'm OP or something? I've always personally cared more about the exploration, lore and art design of souls games than the difficulty. Elden Ring was honestly a bit too hard for my personal tastes.

Only in this thread because some genuinely moronic ESL Black folk are sperging and it's funny to watch them flip out since I have some free time on the weekend.

He's the assblasted Soulshitter having a mental breakdown right now.

DICE

>thanks for loving my point

Are you an ESL? And how did I make your point, exactly? Are you just two dumb to read?

All of the games are first person. Ultracore is a re-release of a 1994 title (AKA not a real release) and Mirror's edge is literally the only game in that list that's not battlefield.

Mirror's edge is the exception to the rule. For reference, here are the games that Fromsoft has made since Dark Souls. You will notice that they actually have more variety than any of the previous studios listed.

An exception is something that is outside of the norm. Since 2011, DICE has developed and released 9 game titles, and one re-released title.

Of those 9 new game titles, only one of them is not part of the battlefield franchise. So definitionally, Mirror's Edge Catalyst is the exception to the fact that DICE mainly makes battlefield games.

On another note, it's absolutely wild how crazed people are when they're arguing with you on here. Like if you go up to any average person who plays video games and say "DICE mostly makes battlefield games" they'll agree with you because it's obvious. But because there's some sort of weird socially pressured contrarianism going on here, people will literally deny objective facts until they're blue in the face.

>say something that is wrong
>get categorically proven wrong
>lol didn't read XDDD
>mother dies in her sleep

many many such cases

>An exception is
when a company makes different games, like you just posted. Miyazaki has never made a different game. Why are you so stupid?

>Why are you switching the focus from the studio
FromSoft was never the focus. You're either trolling or just trying to make Soulshitters look dumber than they already are.

>so is it bad for a hack to make the same mediocre game over and over?
Yes.

Man, watching you casuals pretend you know anything of action games is really funny.

Utility.

>What kind of utility
What do you think utility is? Tactical approaches that open up different options that allow you to affect the enemy in more ways.
>with attacks you can't dodge
There's only one boss like that, and none of the other defensive options worth either but a Flask.

>What kind of options
Can you cut off an enemy limb in ER? Or cast a field of ice letting enemies trip?
>I can't understand
Because you didn't even play the shit game you're defending.

That's not random, you simply don't play and know enough about action games to discuss them.

>really wouldn't work in Elden Ring
Because Souls hasn't evolved beyond DeS

>Neither of those things would be an evolution
They absolutely would. Spells are no longer better forms of direct damage than everything else, melee weapons now have substance and affect the enemy behind lowering their HP and how good/bad something is at breaking superarmor.

>An evolution implies that it is a direct descendant of a previous thing
And adding utility to a game is an evolution.
>wordswordswords
All action games are about spacing and timing and there's nothing that would require large amounts of work to have two minor example of different combat approaches, they already exist.

>You're actually right
I'm glad you agree. Did we finally get through Soulshitters about how action games work?

>I think we did!
Yeah, we did. But I'll make fun of you some more. How come Frost attacks don't freeze the enemy solid in ER?

It clearly is, there isn't a frost attack that freezes the enemy. Why your such a lying israelite?

>why is it always the worst examples of the human species
Don't be mad you don't know action.
>Almost like it's an ARPG
There's tons of ARPGs with a shit ton of different options that aren't close to being redundant. Magnet is not the same as Fire in KH and sure as hell not the multiple different hit properties in Tales from your base weapon.
>because you can't juggle enemies?
You can't juggle in MonHu, and Dragon's Dogma, they still have follow-ups and interaction.
>You can do a ton of follow-ups with sleep
You can do one, hit them with more damage. The best of which is critical.
>scarlet rot
That's a generic DoTs that's always available.
>any status effect/spell
Those are different and redundant ways of stacking damage, and they all fall in comparison to Comet Azur and Bleed on RL1.

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>so Elden Ring simultaneously doesn't have
It's not mutually exclusive.
>Ah, and here is the real reason
Right, deliming is relating to a juggle.

You named one "unique" spell, Gravity. That's a worthless and redundant option since that CC isn't exclusive.

Cool, now which of these spells have useful utility that isn't invalidated by Comet Azur?

>pretty much all of them
You mean none of them. It's by far the strongest stream of steady DPS on NG+7 bosses that completely outclasses everything else but one-shot exploits.

>I explained it drains all of your FP,
They don't. Flasks exist. Want to know the last 5% of good options in ER? It's way to stack damage as fast as possible.
>makes you stationary
Which doesn't matter.
>takes a long time to cast.
Which also doesn't matter.
>going around clearing levels
You can but it's terribly inefficient. You just skip mobs since they don't offer any value.

You're claiming other people didn't play the shit game, yet you don't even know that Physicks exist.

>a one time
You're going to need to twice when the enemy is dead?

You're not going to need it twice, one is enough.

So it's by far the strongest stream of steady DPS on NG+7 bosses that completely outclasses everything else but one-shot exploits?

No, I actually understand action games.

>Do you understand
No, it's impossible to understand why a Soulshitter wouldn't want combat depth in their game.

>Souls combat has the most depth,
Then surely you can delimb an enemy?

>Yes
No you can't, you can break limbs in Bloodborne but that's just damage ceiling. Same as cutting off the tail in DaS. It's not tied to weapons, their properties, and enemy AI.

What the frick are you talking? There's lots of games like Ninja Gaiden where you can delimb enemies with a sharp weapon.

>cutting ceiling
There is no such thing as that. It's a hit property tied to sharp weapons. Playing stupid isn't going to magically give ER melee depth.

>cutting ceiling
There's no such thing as that, you just have anal pain because you don't know what damage-ceiling and think the term is literal. You can very much delimb enemies in NG in different ways.

>Can you
cut off different parts of the body? You very much can.

>like in Elden Ring
Post a video an enemy getting their arm cut off from a sharp weapon.

>You can cut the arms off
Then post it. Post a video an enemy getting their arm cut off from a sharp weapon.

>Unfortunately
In other words, that doesn't actually happen.

kek watch him move the goalposts now
>t-that doesn't count!!!!

That's not a hit property tied to sharp weapons.

>actually
that's not what was asked

That's not limb cutting. Just like you cannot cut off a limb with a dull weapon, you cannot cut off a limb by merely striking it enough times with a weapon that can cut things. Saws can cut things. So can bread knives. Neither would sever a limb. And even with a butcher knife, if I struck your arm in several different places with one- it wouldn't be cut off after the tenth cut. Your arm would be fricked to hell for sure, but it wouldn't be cut off.

So in order for real limb cutting to be in a game, there needs to be an actual damage model- meaning you can cut off the limb at the base, or anywhere along the segments.

what fresh kind of autism is this?

>ACKSHUALLY all video games with dismemberment mechanics are unrealistic, it must follow my singularly autistic vision of how it'd work IRL in order to be valid

He's the assblasted Soulshitter who got destroyed all thread.

>be me, playing elden ring
>decide to go get comet azur (it's the only useful spell in the game)
>get spell, decide to kill the boss of Raya Lucaria while I'm at it
>Run past everything to boss gate, clearing levels is inefficient, killing mobs doesn't offer any value
>enter boss arena
>don't have the stats to use comet azur
>die

>that would be a redundant ability
You just named 95% of the attack options in ER.

>Sleep already does that,
Sleep doesn't freeze the enemy, it's a mediocre CC effect without a follow-up beyond a Critical. Which you don't need Sleep to do in the first place, making sleep redundant as well.

>You actually can cut
You don't cut anything, it's damage-ceiling taken from DaS that isn't a hit property based on the weapon you're using and doesn't open up a new combat approach.
>I don't really see how utility makes
Rather, everything needs to be the same braindead and boring direct damage option that works exactly the same.

>almost like severing limbs isn't the main combat focus
Glad you agree utility-based approaches aren't worth a damn.
>You gave me two examples
Which exist in other action games because combat is fundamentally about utility, with your moveset having synergy with each other and good melee depth. What about is that hard to understand.

>meaningless word salad
Oh, that makes sense. You don't know what utility is.
>What would limb targeting or slippy ice add
It opens up several tactical options. Weapons no longer are all the same copy and pasted boring beatsticks, you can make new follow ups on a downstate, the enemy AI can dynamically change either becoming far more aggressive or slow and passive, you can make a large form of CC that can combine with other option for an AoE application. That's utility.
>Well then maybe come up with examples that actually would have synergy
They both do.

>I actually do not know what utility is.
Noted.
>only the developers at Fromsoft had come up with the idea of a "downstate"
Because they didn't. Those are contextual actions without follow ups. You can't launch an enemy have a follow up, it simply doesn't exist. It's an independent action separate from the rest of your moveset.
>enemies being more aggressive or passive? That's a great idea.
Yes, there's a reason From's AI hasn't advanced since DeS and has gotten dumber.
>given boss enemies "phases"
When did they do that? They are complete morons with dogshit AI, flowchart templates, and barely any interaction. have a nice day, only Soulshitters would ever say that garbage is on par with action games.
>didn't think of having AOE attacks
They didn't, where's the example of that in game?
>
You're actually right
That's cute, but you just admitted you know nothing of action.

>what did you mean by this?
You really are stupid.
>Fromsoft managed to put the idea of enemies being
They didn't. Those are contextual actions without follow ups. Don't tell me I have to explain what these are like utility.
>They didn't anon!
Yeah, they didn't as explained.
>That's what I'm saying anon!
Yes, now post an example.

>In Elden Ring when you knock down an enemy
And it's a contextual action like heavies. What follow-up exists? You can only pile on more damage in specific instances after the action was performed. It's completely independent.
>Enemies and bosses in souls games are entirely static,
Yes, that's true.
>since AOE attacks don't exist in souls
Then name the AoE amplication like that example.

>You can follow up
all your saying is that after the animation is over you can attack the enemy again. That's not a follow-up.
>So the prior claim
Dial back the passive-aggression, that was never claimed. Freezing the ground then hitting it with a Thunder spell that spreads across the arena. Where is this in ER?

>Then what is a follow up
It was already named. Stance-breaking and then going for a crit, is no different from just standing back and shooting magic. Except Criticals are better since they provide i-frames and damage multipliers.
>Ice doesn't conduct electricity,
Ice is water.
>Any lightning spell that hits a wet/watery area
That's not an result of your own actions, you didn't make the water patch and it creates a ripple. Not an AoE amplification that stuns. Rest is just debuffs. It's fine but those are incredibly boring.

>So then what is a followup?

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>Ice doesn't conduct
Ice is water, stop taking video games literally at face value.

>then what is a followup?

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

Taking video games at face value isn't an argument.

See:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>I'm going to keep repeating myself
And you're questioned was answer in that same very post, see:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>Great
So then you read this

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

post you already replied?

>Nope
then you will never understand action combat, as explained here:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>So in other words
you're a casual idiot who doesn't understand action games, that's why you can read:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

because it hurts your narrative that Souls has melee depth.

>Unfortunately I cannot read
Noted. However, your master will still point out how action games work, see:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

You're having a second mental breakdown in public now.

>The doctors
Oh right, Soulshitters are all mentally ill.

>I'm mentally ill.
We noticed

>I'm sure you did
Not hard to see.

>You must have
pointed towards it multiple times, see:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

>Like I said
That's cute, but see:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

That's cute, but see:

>What does not knowing action
It has to do with a lot.
>gravity based magic
Gravity is terrible. It doesn't work on most mobs, it's a completely independent action, and weaker than your gap closer (Jump Attac). And still Gravity Well still functions as a projectile.
>There's even a "black hole" spell
There's already a redundant option like that which is no different from blocking.
>by follow up and interaction
Your actions directly impact the enemy, and you can do other utility options. DaS3 added a heavy uptake that places enemies in the air, yet you can't do anything since they are completely invulnerable during the animation. You can't freeze the enemy solid to shatter them with a large weapon or bounce off different direct attacks, or delimb enemies/take enemy weapons so they lost offensive options.
>number of items, spells, attacks etc that inflict AOE, status effect, gas,
Yeah, you can pile on more damage. That's already been stated.
>except the most efficient and overpowered ways to play are redundant
They are. The game is terribly balanced and your few select options completely dominate the game. If you don't spam Comet Azur than you're just one-shotting things with a exploits. This game came right after Bloodborne and Sekiro which fixed the terrible balance the games have where most of the gear is worthless crap but a single direct damaging option.

Arkane

>Metroid
>Hollow Knight
>Monster Hunter
Should I go on?

>You just described
Action and STGs, sure.
>Define
Already did.

>you just described almos
You can start up Yakuza right now and start fishing.
>main gameplay loop
That's horribly shallow and dumbed down.
>Since you already defined
Correct. See:

>Define "repetitive combat encounter"
What else do you do but fight enemies?

>example of a game
You didn't understand the point. All action games revolve around combat, they don't make that combat shallow since you're constantly engaging with it.

>2D platformers still work as games over 40 years later
Because they focus on tight level design. They give up on good level design with ER, they put all the eggs in Stormveil.

>does focus on tight level design
Why is 90% of the game a empty overworld?

>Because that space
is completely empty.

>hard to find content in the game
Yes, you fight enemies. That's it.

>the point of the game is to be shit
Okay.

>Let me explain
There's no need, trying to pretend an empty world is good because you're an idiot who thinks visuals matter in relation to gameplay is not relevant.

>Elden Ring now has as shitty fishing minigame
It now has something that isn't shitty combat encounters over and over again in a empty world.
>Really? How so?
Utility-based approaches aren't worth a damn.
>Then you have given an incorrect definition
It's not. What else is there in ER but fighting enemies?

>So if a shitty fishing minigame
Which ER doesn't have because it revolves solely around a shallow combat system.
>why doesn't exploration,
There is none, you only find enemies to fight.
>platforming
There is none, and when you actively go out of your way to not play by the rules; the game breaks.
>the NPC questlines
That generally results in shallow combat encounters.
>Why not?
Because... they suck? You can't take a sharp short and cut the enemies arm, opening up your tactical options.
>involves exploring an area for items and resource
Which entirely relates to fighting enemies and there is no exploration.
> It's not a linear hallway of enemies
Yes it is. An empty world isn't going to change how the game plays

>Which ER doesn't have because it revolves solely around a shallow combat system.
I really don't see how adding a fishing minigame would meaningfully effect the game in any way, for better or for worse.

>There is none, you only find enemies to fight.

That's actually wrong. You can find friendly NPC's, various types of items along with new levels and areas to explore. There's even various noncombat challenges, like the walking belltowers, the hidden paintings, and the wizard towers.

>There is none

Define platforming

>That generally results in shallow combat encounters.
So do most NPC questlines in most games.

>Because... they suck? You can't take a sharp short and cut the enemies arm, opening up your tactical options.
Rephrase this, I can't understand your ESL gibberish

>Yes it is. An empty world isn't going to change how the game plays
So if we remove all the level design, all the NPC's and just turn the game into a boss rush, there is no difference? It's the same game?

I'm laughing my ass off over here, your seething brown ass is hilarious as shit

>There's gameplay outside of shallow combat.

If that's your bar for a game being good or bad, then it's a shitty bar. If the minigame isn't fun or doesn't give any meaningful rewards, then it's probably not going to improve the player's experience. Not to mention, just adding minigames won't improve or fix a shitty game.

>Which either give "sidequests" about combat encounters or shops, which is buying items for combat.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? The various side activities in the game reward the player with things they can use to progress their main objective, which is killing the main bosses of the game. Again, you're being incoherent here. If NPC quests didn't even reward you with anything, would they somehow magically now improve the game because they don't tie back into combat? What if the fishing minigame let you make special buffs which you could use in combat? Does that change your previous stance that adding a fishing minigame would fix all of the game's problems?

>There is no exploration
What is exploration in a game then?

>That's called pushing a lever.
So pushing levers to solve puzzles doesn't count, but fishing minigames does?

>Already did.
Then you can do it again (You didn't)

>I'm glad you can admit ER is solely focused on shallow combat.
Most games are focused on combat. Even the questlines of big story heavy RPG's generally lead to some kind of combat during or at the end of a quest.

>It already is.

Do you even know what a boss rush is? IT's a game where the only thing you do is fight bosses. Just because you can rush the bosses in Elden Ring does not make it a boss rush. Lmao.

>No, the bar is having good gameplay. Which ER lacked.

Right, so then your criticism is that the core gameplay is bad, not that it lacked a fishing minigame.

>Now you're backpedaling, you stated there were more things than combat. Nothing you stated isn't related to combat.

I'll repeat myself. Is the side activities giving rewards that are part of the main gameplay loop a bad thing? Can you even name a game where you don't get items or weapons as a reward for completing quests?

>When there are things to interact with and play around that isn't combat.

That's not a coherent definition of exploration. You can explore a space that has enemies in it. What you're talking about seems to be related to puzzles, which is not a necessary element of exploration. If I took away the boss at the end of each souls level and replaced it with a simple Zelda style puzzle, would that mean that the game now magically has exploration?

>How is a lever (which isn't a puzzle) the same as a full-fledged side activities. That's like saying Goy of Slop has puzzles because you throw the Axe sometimes.

How many levers do you need to pull for something to qualify as a puzzle? Two levers? Three levers?

>Most games don't focus on shallow combat, this is objectively and factually wrong.

Even in immersive sims, story focused RPG's or more systems based RPG's like the ones bethesda makes, the game is focused around the combat system and combat itself. There is a greater balance of non combat activities to combat activities, but even then those non combat activities usually either lead to combat, or give rewards which are used by the player to engage in combat.

>And that the game doesn't make use of open-world

Except it does? The open world provides a couple of core things to the game that it couldn't have otherwise.

>Scale/Exploration
Having the world be big with a lot of space between levels is vital for both building a believable and epic sense of scale to the world, and also for facilitating player exploration.
>Replayability/Sequence breaking
Since the world is open, the player has a great amount of freedom on subsequent playthroughs. I've personally gone as far as Altus to get a specific weapon right at the start of the game.
>Level grinding/upgrades
In previous games if you were stuck on a certain boss, usually players would clear out the level the boss is in over and over again to farm souls. Elden Ring is deliberately designed to encourage the player to go and explore, find some new gear and level up before coming back to fight the first main boss. That's what all the smaller side dungeons and stuff is there for- to give players who are struggling and need some extra levels or upgrades the ability to do that without just farming the same level over and over.

Anyway, I'm ignoring everything else you said because of how hilariously bad your first statement was.

>All the biomes are nearly identical

Caelid and Liurnia are identical? LOL

>Trying to pretend an empty world is good because you're an idiot who thinks visuals matter in relation to gameplay is not relevant.

So if Anor Londo didn't have all the massive bridges and causeways and empty space leading up to the main cathedral, it wouldn't matter, right? Because there is never any value to using space to create a sense of scale, right?

>Precious Souls games were already non-linear and weren't open world.

To an extent, but the open world allows for a new level of freedom that didn't exist before.

>You never are, it works exactly like the previous game.

You never are, it works exactly like the previous game. You upgrade your weapons to improve DPS

Correct, you either level your character to improve damage through weapon scaling, or you level other stats like endurance, health, magic affinity, etc. And you can also level your weapon. And the main function of this is to increase your player's ability to do actions, to take damage, and to deal damage. That remains the same.

What has changed is that previously if you are stuck at a boss, if you want to level up you will need to farm enemies in order to get the resources to level up. In Elden Ring, you can go and do some random small caves/dungeons for souls to level up, or go specifically to a place that has upgrade items like a mine to upgrade your weapon. It's actually a big improvement over previous games, that only works because of the open world format.

>Yes, what's the difference.
There really is no difference, you're right

And you're right anon, Anor Londo would have been much better if it was way way smaller. While we're at it, Ash lake was a useless area, just a linear corridor of beach with a few enemies. Should have just been cut from the game. Because again, scale and visuals don't matter in video games.

And yes, you're right anon! Elden Ring basically has the exact same level of freedom of progression as previous souls games. In fact, it's worse. Yeah, it's worse. That's right. The open world actually gives you less choices.

>Because it's not different from any of the previous games.

Also correct. In fact, if you look closely you'll discover that they just used the scale tool in Gimp to make the map in elden ring seem bigger. There's actually literally no difference or new content in it, it's actually just DS1 stretched in gimp.

>Because there isn't.

Correct, there is actually no difference between Liurnia and Caelid. They both look the same, and have the same types of enemies in them. It's actually the same area, just mirrored with a red filter on the sky. Very lazy.

>Yes, there's a reason the only area that effort was put into was the tight-rope gimmick above the painting.

Frankly if they had just made the entire level on rafters, I think it would have been a lot better.

>It absolutely was, that's why it's so disappointing after the Great Hollow.

Truly a massive disappointment and I'm glad we can agree that it should have been cut from the game entirely. When I saw it for the first time, all I remember feeling was immense disappointment.

>Every Souls game has some form of non-linear progression, one having less or more doesn't change the fundamentals.

Correct, Dark Souls 3 is functionally the exact same game as elden ring. '

>Glad you could agree.

So am I! You're just so correct in so many aspects. Incredible. How could I ever have disagreed with you in the first place?

>Correct. Notice how you can't comment on the gameplay.

That's correct. Frankly, if games can't completely re-invent their gameplay loop for every new region, there's no point in even having different regions. Mechanical variety is the only thing that matters in games. Personally, I think that if Caelid had been able to have a bunch of giant bouncy mushrooms for the player to jump around on, then maybe it would have been worth including.

>Yes, you have to pay attention to a large number of factors.

Agreed! In fact, I think if they'd had the entire game take place on the rafters, or maybe in the poison swamp it would have been massively improved.

>There's a reason lots of people call ER Dark Souls 4.
TRUE!!! SO TRUE! Dark Souls 3 actually is known for having extremely nonlinear level progression.

>Those regions are exactly the same. Where's the difference in them?

They're exactly the same, just like you said. In fact, every single level in every single souls game is the the same area, just retextured and with a different skybox.

>Yes? Soulshitters on the biggest casuals on this board.

Correct. Real video games actually change their mechanics completely from moment to moment. Those are the true best video games of all time.

>No, that would be stupid. Don't talk level design if you don't know anything about it.

Why would that be stupid anon? The rafters were such a good and amazing part of the level. In fact, all the best parts of dark souls are the areas that involve platforming where you can fall to your death. That, and poison swamps. This is a known fact that even us soulshitters can admit: What souls games need more of is platforming, and poison swamps. Dare I say: maybe platforming inside or overtop of a poison swamp?

The point of having distinct levels in games is not to for each level to have distinct and entirely unique mechanics. Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

Frankly, I can't think of a single game that entirely changes up it's mechanics between levels. I suppose you could add a gimmick to each level like having each type of enemy have a specific elemental weakness or something, but that's honestly pretty fricking boring and will get old fast. Not to mention that already exists to an extent, like enemies in Caelid being weak to fire, and enemies in the mines being weak to blunt damage.

>Yes actually. Go pussy out, explain the differences.

Name one video game that fulfills your insane criteria to have gameplay mechanics be completely different from level to level

>Yes, how does empty space compared to a obstacle with challenges?

You are autistic or have some other sort of mental illness. Souls players aren't generally a huge fan of the platforming sections of the game, because souls platforming is janky and imprecise. Because the way souls games are designed and the way they control is not ideal for platforming. Which is again, a concept you seem entirely unable to grasp.

I'll repeat myself.

The point of having distinct levels in games is not to for each level to have distinct and entirely unique mechanics. Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

As for your example in metroid- plenty of levels in souls games and even in Elden Ring have various gimmicks. Whether that's Lava or Poison swamps or giant ranged weapons shooting at you from far away. Just because a level has some sort of gimmick does not make it better, and in many cases the gimmicky levels are the least fun to play through.

>That's good level design

It isn't because the controls and design of souls combat is incredibly frustrating to play with on extremely tight ledges. Dodging is a bad idea because unless you line it up perfectly, you'll go off the edge. Blocking even the tiny knives will knock the player back- making it easy to get knocked off by simply blocking. Attacking the enemies is also a great way to get killed- animations for most weapons carry the player forward or move them in unexpected directions, so it's easy to fall off by simply attacking. This is made even worse by how directional attacking works. You can't use a lock-on while on the rafters because the unexpected perspective changes would easily make you fall off. So you have to aim manually, meaning if your camera is even a bit off, you might carry yourself off the edge with your own momentum. Even using ranged weapons, or simply taking damage can knock you off the edge.

As someone who has played DS1 way too many times, the best option on the rafters is always to simply walk in a straight line around the enemies. The knives are too slow to catch you at a walking pace, and you're just putting yourself at risk by trying to fight the enemies.

It's a badly designed area because it doesn't compliment the mechanics of the game.

I'll repeat myself until you actually address what I'm saying.

The point of having distinct levels in games is not to for each level to have distinct and entirely unique mechanics. Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

>No, it's to play the range game.

I can tell you've never played Dark Souls if you believe this. Even the bows in that game push you back with each shot, putting you at risk of falling off. Manually aiming bows is incredibly clunky as well. The easiest option is literally always to walk past them, since they can't hit you if you are moving.

The rafters in Anor Londo are badly designed because they don't compliment the mechanics of the game.

I'll repeat myself until you actually address what I'm saying.

The point of having distinct levels in games is not to for each level to have distinct and entirely unique mechanics. Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

>You can't name the differences because they don't exist.

Levels in Elden Ring all have the same geometry, enemies and visuals? Interesting.

>Why are you so stupid you think you have to stand on the rafters?

Because the sightlines on the enemies are impeded if you haven't climbed up the ladder, and because it's incredibly hard to hit targets with arrows at long range in souls games.

Also, I love how the ideal strategy for the "mechanically engaging" and totally well designed area is to not engage with the mechanics and to just spam arrows from far away. You're really giving me a good laugh tonight anon, thanks. Honestly your takes were already delusional enough, but this is the cherry on top.

I'll repeat myself until you actually address what I'm saying.

The point of having distinct levels in games is not to for each level to have distinct and entirely unique mechanics. Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

>Generally, the important things in making levels feel unique is a combination of the level geometry itself, the enemies inside the level, and the visual aesthetics and themes of the level.

>Enemies isn't level design or structure when they all act like the same spazzing idiot in the first place.

You're brown.

>Enemies isn't level design or structure when they all act like the same spazzing idiot in the first place.

You sure type like a shitskin. Of course it's possible that you're from other third world stain on the planet. Eastern europe, perhaps?

Oh, definitely Eastern europe. Let's see if I can get this right on the first guess. Serbia? I'm glad we bombed you guys to shit, that was pretty funny. Praying to god for a repeat soon.

Is there such a thing as a mentally well Serbian?

I did not concede to being serbian 😉

Well I'm not a biologist so I don't know anything about biomes unfortunately. Something to ask Vaati, perhaps.

Fromdrones don't even have jobs? Jesus Christ.

>I'm not a biologist
That doesn't answer the question. How are the biomes different.

>Like I said
You didn't say anything, be specific and explain how the biomes are different. You ignored it since you don't know anything about open-worlds.

>Like I said
Except you didn't say anything. Be specific and explain how the biomes are different. I'll wait as long as it takes.

>I did say something
No you didn't. Point out where you stated how the biomes, which in case you didn't know are levels and areas.

A biome is the same thing as a level or area?

So would you like to know the differences between the biomes then?

Okay, let's get started.

Limgrave is a temperate forest. The soil is a rich brown which enables the growth of various plants like the Rowa's fruit, which is common in the region. The region's most common form of vegetation are the spindly, yellow leafed deciduous trees. The most abundant native species are the boar, springhare and deer- they feast on the abundant undergrowth in this region due to the high levels of rainfall. Also to be seen are the crab and giant crab, and the giant dragonfly.

Caelid is a desert that has been infested by a parastic fungi. The soil is red and sandy- little grows here besides the great sprouts of fungi, which appear to feed on the enormous skeletons that are buried throughout the region. Due to the poor undergrowth, wildlife is scarce here- the most common wildlife are the frightful and aptly named "giant dog" along with the equally frightful and equally aptly named "giant bat" and of course, the even more equally frightful and even more properly equally aptly named "Monstrous Crow"

Hopefully this has answered some of your questions about the various biomes of elden ring and their differences!

If you think the difference is just visual, I'd suggest you try starting a flowergarden in Caelid and see how long the petunias last...

Well for one, your petunias won't last.

>deliberately obtuse
No, pretending the regions in ER are different despite them having no mechanical differences is being obtuse.

Please it makes areas distinct in open-world games while adding a preparation factor.

>You're asking wrong
It wasn't. You're mad that ER is a terrible open-world game.

>Still way better
No, ER is the most mediocre action game I have ever played and isn't a proper open-world game, because it completely fails at every fundamental level.

>You can't even articulate
This entire thread is nothing but shitting on ER.

>Can you explain
why ER is shit? It's unbalanced crap with copy-paste "content" (even in the main regions since they don't have differences) where utility-based approaches aren't worth a damn in a empty world.

What regional differences would make the game better, in your view? I am still unclear as to what you're even asking for. Seems to me like you're complaining just to complain

Different biomes that actively affect the player.

>They sure as hell
aren't different biomes.

It makes areas mechanically distinct from another and the player would need to prepare for the hostile environment ahead.
>Needing to regulate your temperature,
It's not just that. If you go into an area about about poison, there should be substances that harm you directly that you can't walk over and environmental effects that consistently whittle you down. This means the open-world actually plays a factor into the gameplay.

Did you even play the game? There is no area like that and Torrent bypasses damage effects.

Rot doesn't harm you directly, it just applies a DoT. It's just another Valley of Defilement level

Nice cope, but we're talking overworld exploration and still doesn't work how it was originally described.

>Lava
Torrent.

>Lava harms torrent,
At 1 tick rate you can run over.

Yes it does. Torrent (and the player character) secretly equipped the "99% lava proof" Talisman. You can completely bypass that damage effect.

Look at how low the tick is when they still there doing nothing.

Fire damage is burn damage.

What? They are literally standing on lava like wanted.

You are the most pedantic Black person imaginable. Go take a shower, anon, you smell worse than you think

>you take lots of lava damage
>no you don't
>ummmmmm
They are literally standing on lava you lying israelite. Not a single person is going to pretend lava damage is threatening, that only was a factor in DaS2.

>I asked you for a video
Which you got. They are standing on lava barely taking any damage.

BURN DAMAGE IS NOT A THING.

It doesn’t fricking exist.

“Burn” is not a thing in Elden Ring.

Unless you count the 2 second DOT caused by Black Flame, which is distinctly not lava.

You seem to be assuming lava in Elden Ring works like lava in DeS, DaS1, DaS2 or DaS3, where lava wasn’t an instant kill, but would kill you in about 1 second without stacking obscene amounts of fire defense. In Elden ring lava does single digit damage per tick.

>get proven wrong
>literally have to make shit up to act like you didn't

Kel I noticed anon keep up the trolling, I wonder how long he'll last for

Sorry I can't read, can you try to elevate that again? The wind isn't lighting up where I am and the shutter speed is too low to speak freely.

Wrong, go back to my original post. I asked specifically about burn damage :v)

>go back to my original post

>>Can you show me any video of this?
Not even surprised brown people use israeli tactics.

>Who said
The moment you lied and backpedaled like a the Black person israelite you are.

>Did I
You are in fact a lying Black person israelite who backpedaled. You're even lying about yourself just like the game.

Sounds like I'm correct then, the player isn't lava proof. If he was then he would be immune to the "burn" effect but there is no burn effect in the game, only fire.

If the red liquid in the game does fire damage and not burn damage then it isn't actually lava, but "fire liquid" which is why it only does low damage

Unfortunately anon I am not flammable and I don't have any lava nearby, please understand.

I’m getting genuine second hand embarrassment from reading your posts.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE can see exactly what happened here. You were completely wrong about a game mechanic (that you probably misremembered from Dark Souls 1-3 lava killing you near instantly) and decided to try “win” the argument by being anal about definitions of words.

Lava in every souls game has just done fire damage. And was reduced using fire defense stat. You arnt going to admit you were stupid, I get that. I just want to make sure you know that we all know you were an idiot and you did not come out of this looking intelligent.

>It's almost as if the exact same thing literally happened multiple times
I would love to see an example of this.

I don't think the other guy is pretending..
D:

>Literally every time
You failed to name examples. You're a casual idiot who doesn't know anything about video games yet pretend to do and get mad when you're proven wrong. You can't delimb enemies in ER with sharp weapons, that hit property simply doesn't exist since Strike, Slash, etc has no ramifications to the enemy as they are damage types and not hit properties. You automatically assume a damage-ceiling is the same as a hit property since you don't know what any of those terms mean. Same as pretending DoTs (an indirect damage function) works as a weather effect that's directly tied to the player and prevents them from entering an area.

>You failed
And you're wrong.

>Can you find
You very much revealed yourself as a casual idiot who doesn't know anything about vidya.

>And you
very much admitted you don't know anything about vidya like the casual idiot you are.

So then in other words, I'm correct? The player isn't lava proof and you can't provide a video of them standing on lava taking burn damage?

Palestine is Israeli clay o:V)

(I gave him a little israeli hat)

How can I meltdown if there's no lava damage? Fire won't melt you down only magma will do that and it's not melting the point of the extremely hot point

can't use Torrent in dungeons, frickface

I think we can all agree that Elden Ring would be vastly improved by the player having the sudden urge to take a shit in the middle of fighting a tough boss- the player might then need to frantically search for a piece of tissue or perhaps just a leave to wipe with to remove the stinky ass debuff

There's no point in ER being open-world if it doesn't make use of it.

It's a common theme in open world and exploration games like having multiple different traversal methods.

Jesus Christ, you are unironically autistic

>I can tell you've never played Dark Souls if you believe this.
I get bored with easy games

Knight
what