Why does Ganker hate Miles Morales for taking over the mantle of Spiderman but loves Batman Beyond for the exact same thing?
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Why do you hate Miles Morales for taking over the mantle of Spiderman but loves Batman Beyond for the exact same thing?
>This bait thread again
Terry >
btw
Because Terry is schway
He’s SCHWARBAGE
You already made this thread on Ganker.
>Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris
>In Ultimate, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man
>Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers
>Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb
>But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist We're stuck with him forever
Ganker is racist
whatever dreg
Man Terry was so cool
>Terry's costume is a fairly original take on Bruce's costume
The only wrong line in this post. Terry's costume was literally Bruce's.
In-universe it was, but anon is talking about the actual design which is a fairly original take on Bruce's batman costume
Bruce never wears a variation of the Beyond costume in anything else as his standard costume, it was a "hand-me-down" to Terry but it was made specifically for him and the show
>Bruce never wears a variation of the Beyond costume in anything else as his standard costume
That's because several stories over and over go and say that in his prime the suit was just not feasible, or still needs to be tinkered with some more, etc. etc. Hell in pic related they effectively say that it's too expensive to run.
yeah, that's literally the point isn't it? It's even pointed out in the show that despite being technically 'ancient' the Beyond suit is still cutting edge tech by the time Terry gets ahold of it which makes it perfectly suited for him
also the show came first and laid the groundwork for that specific design so comics coming afterwards justifying why current Bruce doesn't use it are just retroactive continuity
>that's literally the point isn't it?
It's really not. The point is just that you don't see WB putting Bruce in it while he's in his prime because they want to adhere to Bruce relying on the Beyond when he's too old to just run around in tights, like how you don't see current Bruce running around commanding bat-knights to keep Gotham safe like he did in Kingdom Come.
wtf morgan freeman was an actual batman character the whole time?
Lucius Fox? He's been part of Batman since 1979.
He was even in BTAS.
In-universe, wouldn't the Beyond suit be a toned down Hellbat? Not as powerful as Hellbat, but it still gives Bats super strength, speed, reflexes and a greater variety of gadgets. And unlike Hellbat, it doesn't make him go crazy. The completed Beyond suit is the perfect Batsuit.
The Hellbat's drawback didn't make Bruce go crazy. The drawback was that it was powered by Bruce's metabolism, so if he really pushed the thing the armor would have eaten him up.
And yeah ultimately the Beyond outfit is pretty much a toned down Hellbat.
pretty sur he uses something similar in the very first episode showing that he is old and can't go on with this life anymore.
yeah it gave him boosted stats specifically because he was old but it couldn't compensate for his heart problems, when Terry gets it he just gets the benefits and there's a whole episode about him being worried that he's nothing without the suit
on a meta showrunner level the suit was always designed for Terry
He is using said suit in that episode
AS it goes by
>Bruce shuns the batfamily from his life after what happened to him and Alfred's death.
>Diana goes back to Themyscera
>Selina Kyle is dead
>Talia also presumed dead
>He becomes batman 24/7 and that alone fricks his body even more when using that suit due to his age.
>He loses control of his Bruce Wayne life and Derek Powers backstabs him
>Prologue happens
I'd like to think that his first batsuit upgrade was what fricked up his heart.
I would argue that a lifetime of exposure to Joker gas/Scarecrow toxins/Poison Ivy chemicals/etc. added up on his ticker.
Poison Ivy doesn't really do chemical warfare like Joker and Scarecrow do. She's more into monstrous plant life or plant related schemes like making pod people. The closest she comes to chemical warfare is her poison kiss, which is treated/negated just by getting kissed again.
>negated by getting kissed again
>not rubber lips
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do you even prep time?
>constantly having to wear rubber lips
>not getting your two smooches to be inoculated
Do YOU prep time?
I'm not getting plant herpes Bruce!
Has Chris O'Donell ever spoke of doing Robin ever again even as a animation?
DC still keeps his likeness til this day
No chemicals? b***h literally turned Alfred into a tree and did mind control shit.
and all of his Justice League antics.
Space travel, time travel, and carrying cancer inducing kryptonite will probably take a toll on you.
This Batsuit was literally the one from Kingdom Come.
It's heavily inspired by it, yeah. But there's differences. It's got a concealed mouth, has no cape/wings, has knee guards, and the belt looks like a belt instead of looking like a steering wheel.
>Beyond took the concept of The thing in the doorstep and made Ra take over Talia's body
>Ra still tried to seduce Bruce
did they made miles look like a monkey on purpose in this image?
>Black person
>made to look like a monkey
>why does the monkey looks like a monkey
Anon...
>everything he does is recycled from Peter
Two words: electric sword.
So what? Spider-man's had a sword ages ago.
MAAARRRVELEEEER
Are we going to ignore how they fricked over Terry by revealing he was Bruce's son because Waller decided to rewrite his original father's sperm DNA with Bruces?
It's like how Poison Ivy was revealed to be a clone in New Adventures. It's not worth considering canon.
It also touches way more interesting themes like transhumanism whiles Miles is just about intersectionality.
Ganker is just revisionist history.
Back then Beyond wasn't popular at all but people now treat it like was a phenomenon.
That whole thing falls part after they revealed Terry was actually Bruce's clone son.
>Beyond wasn’t popular at all
What a fricking stupid zoomer opinion. Everyone loved Beyond when it came out
also batman beyond had a kickass opening
Batman Beyond on paper should not have remotely worked out, but it was carried by being a really good show in the same vein of the whole TAS era, touching on actually human themes, strong characterization and memorable vocal performances.
I think 4's really important. There's zero possibility that Bruce would've gotten under Joker's skin like Terry did in RotJ.
>RotJ
I instantly associated that with Return of the Jedi. It doesn't help that both RotJs is about Mark Hamill returning to kick some ass either.
also Terry wasn't a Black person
>Miles is just worse static shock, electricity powers may unironically be innate
>Being a black character doesn't matter, he's just a reboot Peter with no actual character depth
>Doesn't develop as a character, just gains more powers
>Same time setting, exists continuously with Spider-Man
>Used to constantly rehash plotlines that Spider-Man already had
>Just takes Spider-Man villains continuously, ignoring that these are mostly foils to a different character, so no character development happens
>Is starting to bleed into the adaptation cycle, contaminating the constant Spider-Man reboots with his shit lore even when it's just Peter being rebooted
>Is starting to get his own adaptation reboots, so him being a spotless Peter reboot just becomes more obvious every time
>Because of the adaptation reboots he is starting to exist almost immediately after the new reboot Spider-Man does, essentially overwriting Peter's existence in that story from that point onward because of the insistence on passing the torch, so Peter gets his overused origin story, a mentor story and then poofs
>Constantly ignores that there have always been a host of Spider oriented characters (alternate universes, future versions, clones, etc.) in favor of insisting on a passing of the torch deal, even after this character got exported from the Ultimate universe for the price of an ass cheeseburger
>Is Bendis' pet character, so is constantly forced in Bendis shit that just ruins everything
Frick the comics and just focus on the Spiderverse movies.
Even Spiderverse rapidly degenerated, it just had the benefit of being able to skip the Peter arc to make it less obvious that Miles is just discount Peter and cut the worst parts of comic Miles to focus on the mentor arc. It worked, but it was a one-off and heavily depended on putting together new interesting stories wholecloth when most superhero adaptations just rip off existing shit. There's just nothing to the character outside of being the generic black electric character + Octopus powers.
>just focus on the Spiderverse movies
First movie was going in the right direction, 2nd movie is just a bjfest to Miles about him being a real spider-man, when everyone accepted it after the first movie. Why? Because they can't tell any other story about that shit character.
It was a terrible shame. They actually had a perfectly fine launching point, finally, where people were actually waiting to see what they did next with him. And they decided the bold new direction was to make a meta piece about how audiences don't like him enough. They fricking did like him, before they torpedoed his shit.
That's because the first movie came out 2 years before the entirety of America chimped out on where blacks stand in the country, so it was unburdened by the need to wank off Miles to such extremes.
>focus on the Spiderverse movies.
I would rather not, their ugly and badly animated and written.
Because Morales is black.
Stupid convoluted multiverse shit versus Terry being Batman's one student who actually got what he was trying to do.
If Miles was just Spider-Man's sidekick who gradually took over crimefighting as Peter grew up and settled down (even if Stan Lee never liked the idea of giving Spidey a sidekick), he would had been infinitely better received. Which is sort of what happened in Spider-Verse only they introduced multiverse shit anyway.
Terry cool, miles lame and gay
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Terry is a better Spider Man than Miles is
Terry has actual character because he was made to be a character
Miles doesn't because he was made specifically to be Black Spider-man
the people behind the DCAU literally had to make Terry because WB wanted "Batman in High School" and that's what they came up with, necessity is the mother of invention. meanwhile Bendis shits out black characters for his kids and Marvel shills them no matter how bad they are, if the first thing your brain runs to when you get into an argument over people disliking a character is "you just don't like them because you're racist/a bigot" then your character probably doesn't have very much to stand on, Terry could be a black kid named Terrell and he'd still be based
>Miles doesn't because he was made specifically to be Black Spider-man
He was made to be "Spider-man, but with black skin". The moron didn't even act or do anything uniquely black until Marvel axed the Ultimate universe and dragged him into 616.
>Terry could be a black kid named Terrell and he'd still be based
I actually thought he was asian/hapa as a kid because of how the eyes on beyond costume look kek
Spiderverse (the first one only) is the only Miles media worth consuming, nothing else is good
>Spiderverse (the first one only) is the only Miles media worth consuming, nothing else is good
Why was the sequel so garbage? Holy shit it was so bad. I'm still seething.
Because Miles is willing to literally destroy his entire universe in an attempt to save his dad even though every single spiderman across the multiverse (save for what, 4?) know that it's a bad idea including one who made the exact same mistake. The writers frame it like it's some brave decision to risk killing quintillions of lives to undo the past
>Because Miles is willing to literally destroy his entire universe in an attempt to save his dad
Sacrificing the many for the sake of the few is not some newfangled concept that Spider-verse has a monopoly on. As an example, the crew of the Enterprise was outright risking open war with the Klingons by going off to rescue Kirk and Spock on Rura Penthe, and before they did that Starfleet was actually proposing to do the same thing with a much bigger rescue team.
It'd bad writing, and everyone with a hint of standards fricking knows it.
>Character being forced to eat their morals and everything they believe or stick to it when their most loved is affected is bad writing
Delivery can be bungled but you got single digit IQ if you don't see why it can be appealing basis.
>that gif
this might be the only joke that actually got a laugh out of me.
>Delivery can be bungled-
there's your answer moron.
We were talking about tropes, not your personal birthing story.
honestly out of all the things to criticize the movie for, this is the weirdest thing, it's pretty clear that after Miles saves his dad he's gonna prove Miguel wrong by finding a solution that prevents the universe destruction thing
He already proved them wrong when he saved that poo and the universe didn't entirely collapse
Characters in media have been doing that for ages.
>Batman with his parents
>Green Lantern with his city
>Superman in kingdom come/injustice
>The Flash
Its just basic conflict of heroes.
BUT THE BLACK KID IS DOING IT SO IT'S WHITE GENOCIDE THEY'RE TRYING TO REPLACE WHITE PEOPLE AND PETER WHAT DO YOU MEAN PETER STILL HAS MULTIPLE OTHER RUNS MOVIES AND PROJECTS COMING AND EVEN INSOMNIAC CLEARLY IS BRINGING HIM BACK IN SM3 REEEEEEE NO PETER'S BEING REPLACED THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL US!!!!!!!
There's a reason these all failed while Spider-Man thrived. Is your IQ above your demographic's average to figure it out?
Anon, Batman's not a failed IP. Nor are any of those franchises.
And if you need one actually specific to what media, see
which is apart of the same show that effectively took over Cartoon Network.
>TTG is proof Batman isn't a failed IP
I rest my case. Enjoy your commentaries on monkeys threatening everyone's wellbeing through blind chimpouts.
>Why was the sequel so garbage? Holy shit it was so bad.
Because it's half a movie stretched out into a full length one.
The first half with Spot was kino, it only becomes ass once 2099 gets involved and we have to go through this canon event bullshit.
How does
>I took the place of my dead self in another universe which may or may not correlate to that universe being erased later
lead to
>Everyone's Uncle Bens and etc. must die or their universe explodes
How do so many of the Spider-Men buy into that logic? If it was a tightly knit group of maybe 10 of them I could buy it, but hundreds of Spider-Men believe this concept and Miles is the only brave one willing to doubt it?
Death cult being one of them. The one thing that goes against being spider-man
It was way too fricking on the nose with the canon event bullshit.
>Finally get Scarlet Spider in a movie
>He's an angsty joke character and nothing like the real thing
>Jobs to Gwen and gets kicked out of the movie
And it's still somehow better treatment than what the comics did to him. It hurts being a Benbro, man...
>mfw just found out that JMD wants to write more Ben and Kaine but can’t because of how much Marvel hates those characters
It just gets worse and worse
Also ASM is shit right now because Lowe and Wells are throwing all of their bad shit including divorce into the comic by making peter and mary jane suffer
>writers were trying to retcon one more day
>everything in the story is clearly leading up to that
>new villain is someone from Peter's past who's trying to expose this awful thing he did in the past
>writers get cold feet
>actually the new villain is just Harry Osborne
>that horrible thing Peter did?
>Harry forgot lol
>Marvel hates those characters
Its about money not some kind of "hate" anon but this may be intertwined i guess. Why do you people think they push Black morales so much to a point wanting replacing Peter completly? Why do you think Sony decided to invest over billion into a character that comic runs were getting nuked and were selling less than Fem Thor before pushing him into 616? Spider Man wasnt created by a single person and families of creators still hold rights to certain aspects of those characters like designs and more. Back in the day creators actually had deals that let them get fees off publishers since it was their creation it was same in music industry. They or if they're dead their families get % off everything from merch,games like everything. Why do you think licensing old music is so expensive and no one does that anymore? Marvel fully owns Morales while they have to pay fees to families of creators of Spider Man aka Peter Parker and other characters created before like 2005 or some shit. This is why they push so hard those new characters and are ready to invest hundreds of millions just so they will push out old characters they have to pay for. After doing so they will be able to fully control new characters and get all that sweet ass money instead of losing %.
Nah, it's definitely hate. Ben hardly existed at that point, he was essentially soft retconned, nothing that happened since he got resurrected served any real purpose or narrative and no effort was made to correct his erasure from ASM history from 94 onwards. It's nothing but spite.
>nothing that happened since he got resurrected served any real purpose or narrative
Nah. Doing him dirty as Jackal/Chasm served to develop his character beyond "Peter Parker, but blonde".
He was never Peter Parker but blonde, and Chasm's homosexualry deliberately wiped out his Jackal memories even before it all went down, so even homosexual extraordinaire Lowe disagrees with you.
>He was never Peter Parker but blonde
Do enlighten me then because I cannot think of a single character trait of his that you can't see in Peter, besides "a blonde clone".
Happier, pluckier, had depressive episodes but bounced back way faster and usually on his own, didn't compromise his morals by letting villains like Venom run around as part of some deal, didn't revert to a toddler crying for his mommy and daddy, actually viewed being Spiderman as being fricking awesome instead of whining about it, etc etc. Ben is what Peter SHOULD be.
>Happier, pluckier
Yeah Peter's that too.
>had depressive episodes but bounced back way faster and usually on his own
You mean like how Peter bounced his ass back up instead of quitting while buried under a ton of heavy equipment?
>didn't compromise his morals by letting villains like Venom run around as part of some deal
You mean like how Ben let Sandman slide cause "Marko's reformed"?
>actually viewed being Spiderman as being fricking awesome instead of whining about it
Oh damn. I didn't know it was Ben who shouted "I love you spider powers!" as he snapped Gwen's neck.
I'm convinced anyone who says this hasn't read Clone Saga at all, even the most phoned in writers at the time made it a point to contrast Peter's terrified territorialism to Ben's detachment and sacrificial nature, that's on surface alone, you don't even need to get into his origins stories that tend to get snubbed to find tangible differences.
I didnt said its not that too but if every fricking time you wonder why corpos do something moronic then its always one thing - money. As I said Marvel is fricking seething about having to pay Ditkos % for example and thats just one character. Reminder that Marvel secured full rights off Dikto estate last year but they STILL have to pay fees to them despite of that because that was settlement lmao. Marvel is fricking fuming about that and this is why they push Morales and other characters like that they fully own rights for and dont have to pay a penny to anyone else and everything goes into their pocket.
Ike "The israelite" Perlmutter strikes again.
Will the influence of his israeliness ever end?
It wont. As i said everything circles around money and ideology about pushing black spider man is just a cherry on top of that cake sculpted from literal feces. Marvel knows what they're doing with wanting over 100M in licensing fees for Spider Man games according to leaked shit from Insomniac. They learned from the best how to squeeze shit dry long term for decades lol.
I'm glad my man kaine was one of the only spider-men spared from the character assassination and miles wanking.
>Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is infamous for the whole "2nd movie in a trilogy so it has to be filler and setup for the movie people will actually care about" thing but even it had way more of a story than Spider-Verse 2 which is wild considering the runtime.
>The concept of "canon events" is fine as far as something like every version of Peter having to lose Ben or every version of Miguel clashing with his dad, but to make a straight up blanket statement "Spider-Person formula" is ridiculous and cheap and counter to the point even if it were applicable to all the Spiders they show (which it isn't).
>The knockoff Citadel of Ricks was not worth the screentime eaten up by cheap bits like the Spider-Man pointing meme that's been in the past 3 movies anyway.
>Miguel refers to himself as his universe's only Spider-Man and they pass it off as a 1 Spider per universe representation system despite the fact that spiders like 2099 and Scarlet Spider don't just exist in the same continuity as our classic Spider-Man, they owe their existence to him in the first place so you can't even say something like "They were from one of the infinite realities where Peter wasn't there."
>They tried to give all the big Spiders their own visual flairs and as part of that gave them all different webs which is a choice I guess, but in so doing they gave Miguel laser webs when he's the last person that should have them because Spider-Men have web shooter gadgets with the notable exceptions of Miguel and Raimi's Spidey who took notes from the then current publication on 2099 and had organic webbing.
>The antagonists of the movie have about 10 minutes of screentime each.
>It walks back the fixing of problems people had with Miles before Into the Spider-Verse came out and makes him the perfect little boy who the whole world sucks off and can do no wrong and is literally just better Peter
11/10 movie of the year according to everyone
>Miguel refers to himself as his universe's only Spider-Man and they pass it off as a 1 Spider per universe representation system despite the fact that spiders like 2099 and Scarlet Spider don't just exist in the same continuity as our classic Spider-Man, they owe their existence to him in the first place so you can't even say something like "They were from one of the infinite realities where Peter wasn't there."
The movie basically isn't related to the comics at all. Ben despite looking like og Scarlet Spider is his world's only Spider-man, same with Miguel, same with how India world has Pavitr Prabhakar as Spider-man and not Peter Parker. Same with how Hobie is the Spider-man of his universe and not Peter.
I'm willing to reserve judgement until part 3 comes out because the more I look at 2, the more it seems like they might do an Inheritor plotline but hopefully good this time. Canon events are likely a bullshit propaganda tactic to keep spider people scared.
because hundreds of spiderman from all walk of life is wrong and this one Black person spidy is right and gonna prove all of them wrong.
And it mogg miles in his own movie with penni
But I like the sequel…
You don't want a Terry game. You think you do, but you don't.
I would've liked a Terry game made by Arkham City-era Rocksteady, especially with a stylized artstyle to better match the show
Currently I don't want any western dev to touch Beyond with a 50ft pole
What if Platinum made a Beyond game, but not in their usual level based style, they had to make a big future city map?
Would Platinum even be as good as before now that Kamiya's gone?
nta but cant be worse than western developers
You say this, but Platinum has Babylon's Fall under its belt.
>Kamiya's gone
Didn't he create Platinum games in the first place? Why leave his own company?
He's just one of three founders, the other 2 being Mikami and Inaba.
Kamiya's degree of input varies by game, he'd been in an "only" supervisory role for roughly as many of their games as he's been in directorial ones and wasn't involved with several in any capacity. Not downplaying him by any means but it's not as if the games of a 300+ person company hinge on one person.
Regardless, if it were good, people here would just ignore it and bring up either Babylon's Fall or the one or two licenced flops they made ~10 years ago (which they have definitely played) every time it'd be mentioned.
I literally had Terry's game as a child and i loved it
I've never consumed anything miles is in, so I don't really have an opinion on him, but:
My impression is that miles shows up in spiderman media that still takes place in relatively modern day, so either Spider man needs to be killed off, or you have both peter or miles around as spider man at the same time. I can imagine that feels a little forced.
By contrast, Terry is batman because bruce is fricking old and had to stop. It feels like the setting came first as a concept, and Terry came second organically out of the desire for "what's batman like in the future", rather then the character coming first.
DC never never tried to push terry as the "main" batman
Thankfully the guy they did try to push (and the whole reboot he was part of) got scrapped before getting far.
you just can't replace batman, he's been part of pop culture for a century now. he still has a lot of content made about him so there really isn't space for a new adaptation to take over.
miles has the same issue, his dlc underperformed and while everyone loves spiderverse he's not exactly the most popular character, people go more towards Miguel or Gwen as their standouts.
marvel is trying hard to make miles become the next guy, but they'll eventually realize they just can't. i just wish they rebooted the character. i'm fine with "a spiderman after peter dies" concept, but i dunno, give him a different powerset. keep invis and electricity but remove spider sense. make it the future but not as future as 2099 so you can have older returning characters and villains leaving space for the new ones
>you just can't replace batman, he's been part of pop culture for a century now.
But that's not true at all. Within the main continuity they've replaced Bruce thrice. "Once" with Dick (who keeps being brought back to replace Bruce whenever they need to replace Bruce and want to keep it in the family), once with Azrael, and once with Jim Gordon.
replace in a meta sense, not in-universe
They tried to do the same thing to Wally West and we all saw how that turned out.
Yeah. Now we got 2 Wallys.
And both 2 doesn't like what Barry did in first place.
Also Wallace is his own thing He got a perfect piece of Tomboy Asian Speedster to frick by the name of Avery Ho, while Wally's kids are destined to be Flash
That's one of the nice things about Wally, he actually has kids and a stable nuclear family. For all the reboots to make heroes single again and go through the motions of first love again or just not having love interests because the writers have none that happens all the time in comics, a legacy character like Wally having it all is virtually unprecedented.
But when it comes to The Flash, Wally is as popular as Barry. It's definitely 50/50 when it comes to that character in terms of being fans' favorite.
He's talking about how they made Wally black, and when that didn't do so hot they went and brought back regular Wally and went "haha see it's a totally different Wally all along!"
Speaking of Flash what was going on in the DC animated show? He was called Wally but his origin story was more like Barry's
Wally was the Flash in comics at the time but you can't really do Wally's origin without doing Barry's because Wally's origin was literally just repeating Barry's at a younger age.
So either you just do Barry's origin or you have to go on the whole thing about his uncle taking him along to work and getting doused in chemicals that end up giving him access to the speed force.
You can't replace the OG Batman, but you can advance the story past his retirement from the front-line. Many of his better stories are about what happens when he can no longer punch people all day.
But they don't want to make miles his own character. They want to usurp Spiderman. It's why they push it so hard.
Terry
>his own kind of young punk teen
>more in common with the Robins than Bruce
>is in his own brand new setting
>how he gets the mantle is unique to his character, the setting, and Bruce's situation
>has his own rogue's gallery, some of which are top tier across the board
>Bruce is treated properly as the mentor/boss man, still brings his experience and vision to the table
Comic Miles:
>just replace teen Peter's dickishness with awkwardness
>is always in the same city as the previous Peter
>gets his powers just by hanging out with his uncle
>little proper call to action, just sorta goes "Well, I might as well be Spider-Man"
>hits Electro 3 times and every agrees that he's the new Spidey
>even gives him his suit, he didn't try to earn it or make one himself
>13 years later, still doesn't have a rogues gallery that anyone can name a member of
>has been depicted as both equal and better than the originals Peters, for both of them
Some adaptations try to fix things, but usually make other aspects worse in the process, and the end result is that he's just a really boring and shoehorned legacy character with an irritating history
That’s the other thing that sucks about Miles.
Peter changes substantially by becoming Spider-Man, requiring extra character growth.
Miles is the same dude before and after.
Heroic Characterization vs Fantasy Fulfillment near self1insert
Imagine a black character that becomes a hero by leaving his black hood community and culture behind
One day it's going to get so bad they'll say the spider that bit peter was just normal one not giving him power and Black spiderman is going to rewrite 50 years of comic books that happened with himself
Terry wasn't well received when he first appeared either.
That was intentional by Dini and Timm. They didn't want Terry to be totally likeable at first. They wanted him to be a bit of a smart ass punk teen who clashed with old man Bruce on how to do things and their relationship would grow as the series went on. But making them a bit antagonistic at the start riled up some of the hardcore Batman fanboys, but as the series went on people understood there was an actual there was actual depth and a character arc. Terry was becoming more likeable and the idea that he thinks differently than Bruce on how to be Batman grew on people and fans appreciated it over time.
That's one of the major differences. Dini and Timm were very willing to take a risk and have a character that grew, even if he was offputting at first. Bendis just threw together a concept that was mostly just a rehash of Peter's Arc and expected people to like it overnight.
I hate Batman Beyond too. Either have the real Batman in your game or frick off.
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One really fun thing about Terry is he doesn't have a 'no kill' rule. He's not a psychopath, who actively murders people, but there are so many cases where the bad guy just dies.
Ganker hates popular things and Miles is 100x more famous than Terry ever has been.
You are black and/or like trashy girls
Miles was hated from the very moment he was created. There was even normie outcry due to his introduction years back
Silence, Mike Stoklasa
They had to bring back ultimate peter cause miles books weren't selling
>Miles was hated from the very moment he was created.
Cool. His movie just movie just made $700 million at the box office though. And his game sold over 10 million copies.
>Miguel's movie
Do you think Miles was created for those movies and games or something?
>his movie
>Not Spider-man
and even more normies agreed with Miguel over him.
>a spiderman IP did well
anon
But that's not true at all, like anon said above with the broadway musical. There's also Spectacular Spider-man being cancelled, the MTV Spider-man cartoon also being cancelled, and Ultimate Spider-man being a very mixed bag of reviews.
yeah remove all context and you might have half a point but unfortunately we're in the capeshit era. anything with spiderman in the name sells.
>unfortunately we're in the capeshit era
Ultimate came out in "the capeshit era", dingus.
i will assume you mean the tv show which had good reviews and did well. so. idk what your point really is.
>The series received mixed reviews. Brian Lowry of Variety criticized the series, suggesting that the source material was "strained through the juvenile, rapid-fire-joke filter of Family Guy", and called the show a "high-profile misfire" that didn't "bode well for Marvel's efforts to straddle the line of catering to kids without dumbing down venerable properties that plenty of adults know and love."
>David Sims of The A.V. Club gave the pilot a "C" ranking, writing that the first episode "feels rather lame and perfunctory, with wackiness dialed up to 11 in an effort to distract from how fundamentally bland it is."
>Nice "good reviews" you got there.
and? you can find someone to poopoo anything. do you really want to be in some pissing match where you have to hunt for bad reviews of a kids shows? reviews that always come from some adult who isn't even going to be the target audience? frick it, go ahead. i already know the good reviews massively eclipse the bad, and i won't even restrict you from including reviews that mention "spectacular spioderman." still no clue what point you're trying to make. miles is popular because anything with spiderman in the name sells.
Anon, this is straight up from their wikipedia entry, where articles usually present both good AND bad reviews. The only good review they bother to list there basically says "well at least it's got moral stories for the kiddos". Literally no one liked the show doing that whole saved by the bell "scene freeze, protag breaks the 4th wall and says thing" bits that the show did.
>it's in Wikipedia!!!!!
lmfao anon take your l and call an uber home, you are cooked
Anon, of course I'd go that route because if I used say... an image of a score from a review aggregate cite you'd just go
>review aggregate cite
And proceed to do the same bullshit you just did.
>well yes of course ignored evidence contrary to my point, how else could i make the point?
cooked
>ignored evidence
moron I'm saying if I put up say.. the rating on imdb you'd go
>imdb
And proceed to shitpost like you currently are.
If I said metacritic you'd go
>metacritic
And go on a moron rant about how no one believes in metacritic ratings.
No one liked the cutaway shit like in vid related. No one liked them using Nig Fury.
No one liked Miles being there when Peter himself was just a teen.
>anon you don't understand i already made up your argument in my head!
r u fr
Don't act like you wouldn't have done that, moron.
well, luckily we live in the real world and not your shcizo brain. and in the real world USM is well reviewed and anything with spiderman in the title sold well. but feel free to go back into your head where u da bess, u da winna
>anything with spiderman in the title sold well
o ok so we have to go back to the part where the context is completely stripped, what a wonder of a person you are
>The musical was bad and the scandal of all the injuries was the one thing that helped it last in broadway as long as it did
>stripped context
Really fricking weird how in this age where context for anything is a google search away you keep crying about not being spoonfed.
and? anything with spiderman in the name sells. it's fricking baffling how someone could sit there and try to use a musical underperforming as evidence, while the fact that the fricking thing even came together means the IP will just do numbers no matter what. and the context is the capeshit era so the musical isn't important anyway. miles is "popular" because spidey is popular, simple as.
>anything with spiderman in the name sells
>doesn't even make 1/3 of the first one
the "Spider-Man" part sells, the "Miles Morales" part doesn't
Spectacular was cancelled because Sony had to choose between the movie rights or the TV rights when Disney bought Marvel, had nothing to do with popularity. Just TV being less lucrative.
Sony choosing rights had nothing to do with it. After Ironman renewed interest in Marvel related entertainment media Weisman and company were all just waiting to hear about information for Spectacular to have another season. After TV rights were returned to Marvel they got even more hopeful, but Eric Rollman stated there were no plans for anything (renewal or cancellation) regarding Spectacular Spider-man at the time. Some time later Marvel went ahead and announced the cancellation of Spectacular on top of them going in another direction regarding animated shows through Ultimate Spider-man.
Don't forget when spectacular was on Disney XD it was fricked over with timeslots and even aired an episode where the voice lines weren't dubbed in.
>his
his Spider-Man movie that's a sequel to another acclaimed Spider-Man movie featuring multiple Spider-People that everyone like more than him?
You mean the animators spiderman movie and the copies brought by the Playstation cult
PalWorld sold 25 million
If your AAA game can’t beat Palworld then it’s garbage
>And his game sold over 10 million copies.
Had Peter, the black suit arc, and venom carrying it. Meanwhile the Miles solo game didn't reach anything close to that. Spiderverse was good but then the sequel happensed.
>Meanwhile the Miles solo game didn't reach anything close to that.
Cope and seethe
You could post that all you want but how much of that is miles going solo like in his own game?
But SM3 and Wolverine games arent out
You mean the spot's movie?
This really does make me wonder how well Miles’s movies will be received when he inevitably gets the live action treatment. You guys think he will succeed on his own? Or you think Marvel will go ahead and slap Peter or some other hero to help the movie? Or do you think they’ll just make it a 100% pure Miles movie with no extra heroes or whatever? Could the momentum from the spiderverse movies carry over to the live action version since his movies were so popular? Or will people just realize that Miles wasn’t the reason those were so popular to begin with?
I personally enjoyed the spiderverse movies most when it was just Miles in his world. Like that opening sequence of catching the audience up while fighting spot and struggling to make it to his meeting and then his father's party was unironically the best part of the sequel for me.
>Miles was hated from the very moment he was created.
Delusional. Miles is way more popular than Terry ever was. Two movies and video games already being massive hits. All you can do is cope
on twitter*
Just because marketing teams are forcing a character onto everything, doesn't make the character popular.
He’s a disgusting ugly repulsive moronic Black person
Hope this helps
Why even read american comics that recycle the same 100 year old characters again and again but worse, when you can read manga that have better characters, stories and no homoshit inserted into them.
Ganker loves Asian
I never liked Terry and hated him taking over Batman's role instead of Dick. Also just never got into future Gotham.
Batman would never permit that Dick did that because he already had a good life with a loving wife and Daughter in Neo Bludhaven.
In fact is the reason of why he quit being a superhero.
>daughter gets indoctrinated in the bat buisness
Yes, the child soldier legacy still lives on
Not really, she did by herself disobeying everyone like her old man, and she inherited the Grayson's "rear genes" while wearing the suit.
She puts even GK Babs into shame
>Dick has the sexiest male ass of DC that makes even harley change sides.
>Daughter inherits that and becomes the hottest chick of the future barring even fricking melanie and maxine.
>hair hanging out the mask
it annoys me when babs does it but it's even stupider here somehow
Because the Batwoman Beyond Prototype suit was made by Bruce to Barbara if she ever takes the cowl again.
He didn't wanted her to be injured again.
It's not a special suit for Babs. It's Terry's suit. Terry was amnesiac at the time, Elainna snuck into the batcave and stole the suit.
It's not her hair, it's part of the suit. Her hair is short and black, like Dick's.
the fake hair kinda makes sense in a "throwing people off the identity" kinda way but the beyond suit works because of how sleek and refined it looks, there's no reason it couldn't just look the exact same as when Terry wears it except with a woman's silhouette
>throwing people off the identity
That's what it's meant to do. In universe when visuals of this new Batgirl first showed up Bruce thought it was Babs and Terry's brother thought it was Ten.
It's a more effective disguise than Kate's, where she's a short haired redhead making people think she's a long haired redhead.
>Takes the name Spider-Man
>People get mad when you refuse to call him by his superhero moniker saying "why do you call Miles by his name all the time, but not Peter?"
>Either Spider-Gwen and Miles tag teams as Peter's annoying sidekicks, or he gets outright replaced
>MCU is a ticking time bomb for killing off Holland Spider-Man for the inevitable inclusion of Miles, because frick anything being just about Peter Parker as the one and only Spider-Man nowadays
They didn’t kill Bruce to give me Terry
Terry came because Bruce was forced into retirement
They kept the same name to keep the mythos of Batman alive in criminals minds
Batman Beyond takes place in the 2030s and Bruce Wayne has been retired for decades. Terry is not a replacement for the mainline batman, he's a futuristic reimagining of the story, set in a world that will always look like the future because it's a sci-fi fantasy world like a noir version of The Jetsons.
I really hate they pushed miles more as a black character than as a Puerto Rican character, they even got the flag wrong
I don't mean to be a rude anon but, Miles' Puerto Rican sideLike everything else about him was tacked on. Bendis has a lot of issues.
This. They tried to market him as black spider-man even though he literally talked and acted just like Peter did. They didn't have him start talking black, or caring about being black, or doing the whole "mixed ethnicity character speaks fluent english with random inserts of language from their other half" thing until he was a 616 character.
>I really hate that they are pushing the token character as the thing that maximizes their oppression points
>"No...no one likes M..Miles..."
An average manga sells that much in a few months kek
That is the Miles game you fricking idiot.
>Books selling more than videogames
Hot damn Miles REALLY sucks if that's the case.
Compare to previous units without him in it.
only thanks to peters game
>"No...no one likes M...Miles..."
>Something with Spider-Man in the title made money
Well, duh
How well did Madam Webb and Morbius do?
"Spider-man: Morbius" would make the movie an actual commercial success
Spider-man being in the name of the thing doesn't guarantee money.
>2011
We're talking about modern superhero craze, not ancient shit nobody remembers
The modern superhero craze started in 2008 with the first Iron Man movie.
That's disingenuous, Iron Man is technically the start of it but it wasn't until Avengers that you could slap marvel logo on anything and have it sell
Now who's being disingenuous?
Edward Norton Hulk, Ironman 2, Thor, and Captain America were all financial successes, and all of those predate the first Avengers flick.
Never said capeshit before Avengers lost money, but if you released something shit (like a fricking musical) then slapping marvel on top wouldn't work, after Avengers it did
>Thor the dark world made money
Shit was crazy
If they just didn't get injured so often, it would've made money. The show literally couldn't happen at the same rate as other stage plays, things just fricked up with the stunts
>If they just didn't get injured so often, it would've made money
Anon, the injuries are what helped the show hobble along as long as it did.
>The New York Times' Patrick Healy stated in February 2011 that Spider-Man had become "a national object of pop culture fascination—more so, perhaps, than any show in Broadway history" due to media coverage and late-night comedians' monologues on the musical's many delays, injuries, and creative issues. He speculated that the musical would not have staying power through repeat viewings like other hit musicals, after "tourists and parents with children" watched it for "bragging rights at dinner parties or on the playground".
Do those have Spider-Man in the title?
I forgot, were those called Spider-Man: morbius and Spider-Man madame web?
good enough to prevent disney to regain spider-man rights for another 6 years, keep mad disney agent.
>Something with Spider-Man in the title made money
Turn off the Dark would like to have a word with you.
I don’t like Miles and still saw the movie
It's weird they didn't call it miles Morales Spider-Man across the spiderverse
Because Ganker grew up with Batman Beyond. Simple as.
fact: Beyond was highly disliked with older DC autists back in the day.
Where the hell is across the spider verse part 2?
>made up sales from bundles like every other snoy movieshit
>bought up awards
>the entire weight of idpol american propaganda at its peak propelling it forward
>several dozen psyops
>somehow still need to scream from the top of your lungs the monkey is totally popular every thread
>the only character driven discussions it ever gets, even on ultimate propaganda dumping grounds like twitter, are critics tearing it down conceptually
>all the fans ever have to say in its favor is 'he black tho'
It's gonna be funny looking back saying "remember that time they tried to make every superhero black? Fricking Weird"
it was wild
How the frick did people like this?
They dont
Comics have been on the verge of bankruptcy for over a decade now
Basically the movie industry is the only fricking thing keeping comics alive
>Oh I remember thi-
>Wait
>Something seems off here...
this has to be a joke. that character has fricking j cup udders sitting in a classroom of second graders. this is too far even for anime. is this fake?
Ganker has/had a thing where they edit big breasts onto Ganker images.
it is funny to me that i am so unfamiliar with this slop. there must be many like me, meaning this book/many books are prime editing material, you could have an entire series turn into some kung pow: enter the fist style parody and i would never know.
I need to see more pages like this.
Just search for "Edit Thread" in Ganker if I remember right.
I don't really mind this for some reason........
The breasts are obviously an edit but why is she so much bigger than the other kids? She's like five years older at least.
she's been held back five times.
Ignoring the big tit edit for a second, this at least seems to be self aware.
>"NOOOO you have to tell me I can't do it! That I'll never amount to anything! I OPERATE PURELY ON SPITE!"
Yes, obviously, that is the joke but somehow this translated into an insult on here because comicgays are hyper sensitive.
What joke, that's the same bald israelite who created Miles.
joking about being an oppressed minority doesn't work when all the marketing and the character herself basically scream "this is about representing oppressed minorities" and do so very obnoxiously
It's a joke, and a spin on a hackneyed tradition. But ultimately they're still trying to supplant Tony Stark with a black woman. So I'd still say it's not "aware enough" because they're still doing it. Stop it. Just don't do that.
ignoring the udders this has stuck to this character since her fricking inception and she's never getting the stink off, first impressions mean a lot and it was already an uphill battle making her not look obnoxious
I just find it funny that they played into the stereotypes and made Lightning Lad black.
BBryond has a c
Futuristicsettung and hes not a nigg
Miles is just mexican nigg spidernan
Mexican here, Dont call him Mexican, shitty mother fricker is Puerto Rican.
We already have a Mexican Spider-man in Miguel anyways, and they tried to use him to push Miles too.
ok latinx
>extremely low quality
>verification not required
>different setting
>different villains
>different dynamic
>not made to pander to identity politics
Geez man I don't know. If you wanted a fair comparison you'd use the guy from 2099 instead of Miles, except most people don't have a problem with that guy.
Funniest shit about the last Spiderverse slop is that black people were more hype about Prowler Miles than regular Spider Miles, lmao
Prowler has always been Spider-Man but black ever since the 70s, with less powers and more gadgets. I've never understood why Marvel refuse to invest in the character, he could seriously have the best qualities of both Spidey and Batman if handled well.
In the comics, Miles was self taught; earned recognition
In the game, he was a not-quite sidekick that suddenly got way better just cuz
By the time Terry was in the picture, Bruce was too old to be able-bodied-full-time Batman
In SM2, Peter "retired" because mental health, or some shit like that
There's every reason why SM2 is nothing like BB
One is natural
One is forced
Miles Morales was born out of the SJW culture of Obama’s second term. He was created purely for political identitarian reasons and he’s never escaped that to become a real or interesting character.
There’s a massive hate when they revealed he was just another one of Bruce’s son instead of his own person. Same hatred for Damian Wayne.
Damian is a legit shit character, it's like he was designed to be approved by Reddit during the
>why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker?
fad. Terry is actually likable on the other hand.
Yes what I meant to say Miles is on the same level as Damian.
I dream for a Batman Beyond game inspired by Deus Ex and Cyberpunk 2077.
>mah own thang miles
yeah I dont even hate miles, I just think he's boring
he's had the "I have to be my own spiderman' arc over and over and it never goes anywhere
Unrelated, but Gojo did the “Nah” thing better.
>Comparing Terry to Miles
Terry SHOULD be compared to Miguel not just because of the obvious similarities and the way both are marketed but also because Miguel mogs Miles so hard it's not even funny, if only Marvel was willing to shill him as obnoxiously hard as they do Miles
Miguel is from the 2099 timeline. He wasn't shoved into 616 like miles was and even when ended up stranded he was trying to get back to his timeline.
Because Batman Beyond is pure kino
Miles is one of those characters that you could only like for purely ideological reasons, because he was created purely for ideological reasons.
Honestly they should just give Miles all the dumb C-D tier villains and just up their threat level, them making the Spot an actual threat was really cool. Make him fight Shocker or something
Shocker needs to stay Peter's punching bag villain, like Paste Pot Pete. Have Miles fight the likes of the Kangaroo, since that's who he first fought in the Ultimate comics anyway.
maybe if miles was a big dick street homie with a heart of gold
instead he's just black peter, a fricking dork
>Miles would be better if he was Luke Cage
Well, duh.
>if only Marvel was willing to shill him
I guess Miguel doesn't have the same diversity points as Miles.
terry-miguel morales multiverse crossover time
because Miles is not spiderman!!! next question
Terry is cool. Miles fricking sucks.
Miles is a hack job made by lesser writers. The two are not comparable in any way.
/thread
>dude what if spider-man but he has electric powers and can also go invisible lmao
electric homies is a comic book staple
batman beyond is good
Because Terry isn't a huge homosexual like Miles.
I know nothing of terry besides that batman beyond cartoon I saw as a kid
It's not like they expanded on his character any further in the comics. The most development he got was in Justice League where we're made to know that he's actually Bruce's genetically engineered rape baby.
>he's actually Bruce's genetically engineered rape baby.
If you can't be assed to sit and watch a 4 minute vid:
>Waller decides Batman is good
>Batman's getting old
>Decides there must always be a Batman
>does genetic fudging that overwrites the genetics in Terry's dad's sperm to shoot out Bruce sperm
>He fugs Terry's mom
>Terry is born
Even in probably the worst retcon in the DCAU, the writing and dialog here is better than 99% of all modern capeshit.
It makes for a very plausible explanation as to why Warren and Mary were separated.
>2 red headed parents
>kid comes out with black hair
>Warren gets upset but thinks their marriage can push through Mary's infidelity
>2nd black haired kid
>Warren gets upset that Mary did it again and they separate.
Damn never thought about that. Pretty fricked up in that sense.
You know Amanda waller? the Black person suicide squad boss
She knows Bruce is getting old and useless so she tries an experiment to create a new batman, she does so by infecting a pregnant woman(terry's mom) with Bruce's DNA and then later hiring a hitman to kill Terry's parent's
It was the dad, not the mom, and Terry's mom wasn't pregnant at the time.
Kek what was he thinking
>black
>thinking
We've been over this a million times. Terry earns it, Miles is gifted it. Terry is entertaining, Miles is not. Terry was made to be cool, Miles was made to be progressive.
Terry
>became Batman of his own volition (at the time)
>just a regular teenager (at the time)
>despite getting help from Bruce, is allowed to be Batman in his own way
>given his own unique villains with a few calling back to the original Batman's exploits
>only called upon or used when the matter is to do with his era
Miles
>feels obligated after learning he got bit
>not much of a personality other than wanting to be the next Spider-Man
>given powers similar or better than Peter, with the only drawback being Miles isn't innately smart enough to build his own gear
>actively shares his rogues gallery with the other Spiders that remained in New York
>gets shoved into everything like he's the most important character to grace the spider clan
The bottom points are most important. We only ever see Terry when the plot actually involves Terry and his timeline. Miles is part of the main continuity for better or worse which means he's free marketing material and for Marvel to exploit into letting people thinking they give a damn about minority rep in media.
>actively shares his rogues gallery with the other Spiders that remained in New York
The only spider that was in New York was Jessica Drew. Ultimate Universe never got to have Ben Reilly or Kaine as heroic clones.
As for 616 the only one I know that he fights is Vulture, on account of him dating his grand daughter. He's done team ups with Rhino and apparently also Scorpion where the two weren't the bad guys.
Someone post that thing about Terry's dad getting the shot.
It's already posted in
No I mean the actual picture. 'Hey doc, dont give me batman's cum'
Something like that.
I love miles.
He has a relationship with peter and is pretty fricking cool on his own.
Black person
Because Terry is fricking cool, miles is a Black person.
Also Terry brings a very cool cyberpunk setting with him, witch cyberpunk themes like drugs, immortality through cybernetics, pollution, corruption, big corpos...
Because terry's spider-man counterpart is Spider-man 2099
remember that time that Marvel was going "what if every Marvel hero was Miles"
wasn't that weird
yeah almost like it's being deliberately spiteful to "da evil wacists" instead of actually making decent black characters
that Miles Thor shit should've been the point everyone realized how fricking moronic this is
That was redundant too because with his green lantern powers, normal miles could just make a hammer out of his electricity.
That was before Miles got his zappy sword. And the whole thing was just a what-if/ multiverse kind of deal where Miles was x hero instead of a spider-man. It's not much different from "What if Spider-man was the Punisher" which had Peter.
The What If show is insane as well, I think there were 3 different instances of black panther taking over for someone
The answer is simple:
because Miles is Black
Terry isn't
Mayday and Miguel are both objectively superior successors
Blacked propaganda
have a nice day
here's a hot take.
Miles isn't likable because he doesn't nig it up enough. If he was a parody on Black person culture and was a straight up busta like CJ he'd be insanely popular.
>SPIDER Black person SPIDER Black person
>DOES WHATEVER A SPIDER Black person CAN
>STEALS YOUR BIKE
>STEALS SOME SKITTLES
>ALL WHILE OVERDOSING ON FENTANYL
>WATCH OUT
>HERE COMES THE SPIDER Black person
Terry is hot, Miles is not.
come again?
Terry was never shown to be outright better than Bruce in any given way. In fact, every episode was a part of the learning process. Over half of Miles interactions now amount to "I'M SURE GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO BE MY TOTALLY EQUAL PARTNER/REPLACEMENT/SUPERIOR UPGRADE, POOCH-ER... MILES!"
Terry is literally almost always right and Bruce is often made to be a paranoid egomaniac who he shouldn't listen to with some exceptions in episodes though.
Terry get his shit pushed in every single fight, even against random jokers. He's still a teenager with little to no martial art training and it shows, he brawls like a thug but it's part of his charm.
>finally get into Beyond to see all the original villains anons have been hyping up
>they're just remixed versions of old villains
tbf, spiderman 2099 does this too with what if old villain but FUTURE??? but damn I was really looking forward to this shit.
Who is Blight a remix of?
Doctor Phosphorus
You could have said corrosive man, but you have to shit the bed.
never underestimate how potent Batspunk really is.
Haven't seen beyond myself but aren't a lot of this a direct consecuence of the old villains? like the joker gang is just a bunch of dumb teens hyping the big old clown decades after he's dead and gone
I don't like miles because he is just blacked bnwo propaganda
Hey you know that superhero you liked as a kid? Yeah he now replaced by a black who is 10x smarter and stronger than him :^)
Post-2010s marvel sucks ass.
Terry is a successor, Miles is an ESG replacement
>one turned up and stole the suit of the original who was very much still alive
>the other turned up after the original died
They're both shit.
This, but people ignore how wanked Terry gets and how often Bruce or others are made to look like old coots stuck in their ways that the young and rebellious new hero needs to show how much better he is at handling shit now.
but you Terry jobs too and Old Bruce himself has had to bail Terry out more than once.
Has Peter ever had to bail out Miles yet?
Numerous times, actually, but that goes against the narrative here. Ultimate Peter saves Miles from Norman. Peter A saves Miles. Peter B saves Miles at least 4 times through the movie. Insomniac saves miles 3 times in the first game, twice in MM, and 3 times in SM2.
Ganker and Ganker are in this fight together anon. We may have our differences but we both share our hatred of unneeded Black personfication.
why are y'all attacking blacks who didn't ask for miles can a black individual read a comic in peace dammit
post hands or else you're a twit who thinks getting offended on other's behalf is a virtue.
>can a black individual read a comic in peace dammit
All the black people I know are even more dumb-founded than I am about devs and artists forcing blackwashing and adding random extremely ugly black NPCs in games like Starfield and FFVII Rebirth.
>in this fight together
>ultimately just a bunch of grown ass man crying and whining in an online message board
honestly I think the root of the problem has less to do with Miles and more to do with the fact that people refuse to accept anyone besides Peter Parker as Spider-man, they tried replacing Peter with a white guy in the 90s and people hated him so much they killed Peter's baby so he could be Spider-man again
This is the only canon Spiderman, everything else is cringe, fake, and gay
I forgot how fast that show moves. If a long run on sentence that's a wall of text was turned into a cartoon, this would be it.
...
I don't hate this suit but the hair sticking out is so fricking stupid. Should have let you have an option to put the hod on at least or a mask without the hair cutout.
I hate this suit because it's literally just a bought and paid for Adidas advertisement.
but how else are we supposed to show how diverse Spider-Man is? Have him carry a watermelon and a bucket of KFC?
I hate the way the character models look. Both spidermen look like they're 14. They've got the weirdest fricking physiques.
I know, bewildering no one seems to notice.
>He has fricking Nikes on because black people are obsessed with shoes
White libtards really can't stop themself from beating actual hardened racists at their own game kek.
Picrel was written by a Hwyite person
It's a combination of them obliviously holding onto age of exploration logic (savagery) and American blacks having a warped sense of identity from losing their contact with African cultures.
>Fresh Prince of Asgard
Anon... Those are adidas. Adidas haven't been popular with American blacks since the 1980s which is why you thought they were Nikes. Mostly white people wear adidas now just like converse.
I don't really care the point is that they made his shoes gaudy, regular-ass runners and a major part of the outfit that clashes unlike regular spiderman or any other hero who would have custom footwear to match the rest of their costume.
That's not even weird for spider-man. They've had peter wear converse hightops in the 80s and 90s, and even had him wear crocs. Comic artists are just fricking shit in general.
>In the marvel thinking tank room.
>Yo he's black.
>remember static shock, that was popular and he was black.
>gives him electric powers.
We don’t.
I don’t have any strong feelings for miles either way as a character the issue is that they treat Peter who is still young like a little b***h in Spider-Man 2. The dynamic was fine in his movie because Peter (main) left of that movie died while alternate Peter saw massive improvements to his life.
In contrast, Bruce is still capable at least mentally while being like 60-80 years old.
Cus Batman Beyond was good show, recspected orginal Batman.
Miles Morales is just forced Black person spiderman. That's it, he doesn't do anything himself and they don't respect orginal spiderman.
Because Terry earned the mantle by himself, and enough time has passed where Bruce cannot be Batman anymore and a new era has happened
Miles fits this in Ultimate. But beyond that in all his other depictions it’s dumb because
>Peter is still Spidey
>Theyre both trying to be the same thing at the same time
>Not even a few years have passed or anything so still the same city and crime
Imagine if Terry was Batman while Bruce was Batman in TAS? It wouldn’t work
>Imagine if Terry was Batman while Bruce was Batman in TAS? It wouldn’t work
Sure. Instead I'll imagine that Dick was Batman while Bruce was Batman in the comics. And that one people didn't have problems with.
You mean when Bruce “died” in Final Crisis and Dick took over and then when Bruce returned Dick eventually gave up the mantle because “there could only be one”? Yes I do remember that. Do you?
Do YOU?
Bruce was running around as Batman while recruiting for Batman Inc, which he started at issue 16 of Dick's time with the cowl.
Dick with Damian continued their escapades in Gotham as Batman and Robin for another 10 issues after that announcement.
Oh my a whole 10 issues!???
Well that explains everything, completely comparable to the decade of Miles being Spiderman
That's because DC likes to reboot their world more than Marvel likes crashing helicarriers. What, you think I'm joking? Since Miles' inception DC has rebooted through New 52, Rebirth, Death Metal, the aborted 5G, and Dawn of DC. Marvel's only done it with Secret Wars.
Terry is just Peter Parker. I am convinced Beyond was made as a response to Spider-Man TAS.
Terry is all about balancing personal and superhero life, and is a smart-talking kid who hates jocks. He is a huge departure from stoic, all business Bruce and seems tailor-made to appeal to the people who liked Peter.
Miles is also just Peter but Spider-Man already had a character that was just Peter and it was Peter Parker. Terry feels like a very different character compared to Batman while Miles is just the same thing as the original Spider-Man.
People didn't like Batman and Robin post Morrison though I am willing to concede that may just have been the decline in writing/story quality.
>I am convinced Beyond was made as a response to Spider-Man TAS.
It was made because BTAS was too dark and gritty. The show was initially demanded with the premise of Batman in high school, so Bruce Timm went with that as loosely as possible and made Nu-Batman in a futuristic cyber-dystopia that goes to school in two episodes.
>It was made because BTAS was too dark and gritty
>most of the villains and their victims end up dead or mangled in some way
Suits don't pay attention to a damn thing do they?
It was basically an elaborate effort to troll the execs, yeah.
Beyond was made because WB wanted a high school Batman, taking after Spider-Man came after that.
TERRY, GET OUT OF THERE NOW!
no its because they didn't bring any of the miles morales stuff from his movie to the game
Batman Beyond was written by a cuckold who gave Terry's blood related father, a clone of Bruce Wayne's penis and testicles, instead of his own penis and testicles, meaning every time he jerk offs or has sex, the sperm that is ejaculated is Bruce Wayne's sperm and not his own sperm, so in the end, Bruce Wayne's penis was having sex with Terry's mother and never his blood related father
The only reason Miles exists is because whoever is in charge at Marvel noticed all the snot nosed Black person children who smell like stale McDonald's who for some mysterious reason are super into Spider-Man. Not even trying to be edgy. That specific demographic will throw money at Spider-Man.
Nope. It was the guy writing Spider-Man at the time thought it would get him black pussy. Dead serious.
proof please
>Batman Beyond is a continuation of Bruce Wayne's tale, and a loving passing of the torch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fTsJTL0Ds
>Black person Morales is a torching of the past, a dishnorable removal of the hero that made the franchise in the first place and a replacement by a more enlightneted, modern version.
The real answer is Peter fanboys are just super sensitive. Peter could have a million other projects and stories focusing on him at the same time but let one run having him die or someone else taking up the mantle like ben or miles and they sperg out about him being replaced in culture even if he clearly isn't going anywhere.
Make a new character that doesn't need to leech off an already beloved one, simple as that moron. Does anyone with a chin really truly like multiverse bullshit?
Plenty. In fact most normal people with lives that don't revolve around fictional shit either like or don't give a shit and just see it as just fun shit that either hits or doesn't. You're just butthurt over your fictional sacred cow..
>Morales is a torching of the past
this he literally STEALS everything from Peter
>enemies
>suit
>Powers
>Manerisms
Batman Beyond has his own rogues' gallery, including SEVERAL sexy curvy evil ladies
>Including SEVERAL sexy curvy evil ladies
Yes, there were several hotties in Batman Beyond
That’s the funniest part too. Terry has his own character arc, his own villains rogue, his own identity to separate him from Bruce
What does Miles have? His arc is just a retelling of Peter’s but with his dad dying instead of his uncle Ben. His rogues are just Peter’s. His identity is that he’s black. Nothing more or less. He has no “Death of Gwen Stacy” or “Superior SpiderMan” or “One More Day” or any type of storyline that defines him (for better or worse)
Even the Spiderverse films where most zoomers like him, he’s just passive while the story happens
vidya only guy, I take it?
His dad doesn't die in the comics. His mom does (but then molecule man undoes that whole thing later on).
His dad did die, in like 2011/2012 in the original ultimate run.
Someone died, his uncle? I don’t even remember.
No, it was his mom. To Venom. His dad was this wanna be badass not Sam Jackson type dude.
>or any type of storyline that defines him
From what I gather they keep trying to tack onto miles the 'anyone can be Spiderman' storyline, as someone needing to live up to the ideal.
But in all honesty, I don't think that's been handled in any Miles story I've seen anywhere near as well as it was in Fake Red.
>enemies
Peter never killed his villains so naturally Miles who stepped up after Peter dies inherits them when they bust out of jail for the 100th time like how Dick has to deal with Bruce's shit when he takes up the cowl. Terry just gets old villain but future version.
>suit
Terry is literally wearing a suit he stole from Bruce.
>Powers
Same spider experiment, same powers. There were 100's of those spiders just sitting in tanks btw. More than one getting out and biting someone has more probability than some punk randomly stumbling into batman's, I REITERATE, fricking BATMANS's cave and becoming a fighter on par with Bruce in a matter of weeks.
>Manerisms
Funnily enough, Terry's mannerisms are more like Peter than Miles's are. Peter is not an introverted bumbling shy kid even before getting bit. He was actually kind of a wienery butthole ready to fight Flash if he had to, he just happened to be a science geek. Don't let modern interpretations fool you.
>I REITERATE, fricking BATMANS's cave and becoming a fighter on par with Bruce in a matter of weeks.
Terry is not nearly on par with Bruce you absolute moron. Any episode of Batman Beyond shows Terry getting BTFO in situations prime Bruce could deal with no sweat
JL/U only gay I take it? BTAS Bruce was getting clubbed over the head by mooks regularly. Hell, one episode outright involves Batman getting so beat up that he ends up hiding and being protected by kids.
but did those mooks have CHAINSAW KNEES?!?!
Terry was getting beat up by meta humans in a powered suit.
Bruce gets beat up by people in a normal suit.
Remember when Terry had to fight Not-Kraven
what a good fight holy shit
Just because Bruce isn't in the future doesn't mean he doesn't deal with metahumans.
Killer Croc isn't a meta human, he's just a buff dude with a skin condition. Only actual Meta in his normal gallery is Clayface.
Bane in many iterations is chemically roided Lucha man. Mr. Freeze might as well should be on par with cyborgs.
Bane uses venom to gain super stength but without it he's just at peak human strength. Mr. Freeze doesn't have any powers and isn't a cyrborg he just can't live in temperatures above freezing and needs the suit to stay alive.
Clayface and Ivy have actual super powers.
Not really helping the argument when the dude I responded to said Terry was getting beat up by baddies who "prime Bruce could deal with no sweat".
Terry also had Bruce in his ear guiding him through everything and feeding him live information with his MacGuffin Computer until Terry got good enough to handle things on his own.
I fricking love this episode. The ending is the best part.
Revenge surgery terrifies me, it's also another reason I don't piss off the dentist.
>I REITERATE, fricking BATMANS's cave and becoming a fighter on par with Bruce in a matter of weeks.
Were we watching the same series? Terry gets his ass fricking kicked for the majority of the first season.
>sexy curvy evil ladies
Yes these two took my earliest boner/fap as 13 year old.....they turned up the sexy for beyond
I wonder if that ending was a nod towards the first episode of TAS batman, with the man bat and the blimp.
>MUH COMICS
Shut up gays. No one cares about that gayshit israelite scribbles that was made to brainwash young boys to go to war when Uncle Sam says so.
Ok but nobody wants to go to war now
Terry is his own character in a new setting with his own rogues gallery.
Miles is just a blackwashed Peter, there's nothing original about him.
Blatant bait but I'll answer anyway
>Miles
Literally spawned from a corporate decision to make more black characters because Obama was elected president. They unceremoniously kill off Peter Parker in the Ultimate universe and replace him with Miles, with all of the same powers with some extras, taking over his rogues gallery, and also inserting him into Peter's family for some reason?
>Terry
Took on the role of Batman, albeit reluctantly at first, under the direct tutorship of Bruce Wayne. The entire series makes a strong point that Terry is his own man, with his own principles, his own style of operating, (for the most part) his own rogues gallery. The two separate finales for his run, being the Epilogue episode in the Justice League series and the Return of the Joker movie, strongly emphasize the difference between the two in the climax of the episodes. Terry and Bruce both figuratively and literally have the same DNA, but what became of them was wildly different.
One's a passing of the torch. The other snatches it away.
LET HIM DO HIS OWN THANG CHODES
Its funny how insecure people are about this character even his current writers are. Yeah hes quite literally black Peter but hes also literal gary stu with 1:1 same villains and more but gays still will try to argue otherwise lmao. Reminder that even Bendis caved in and openly said that was the point that he wanted to make black Pete for non white kids but miles fans still cope.
why are americans obsessed with their black pets? Why couldn't you just pick your own cotton instead of spreading this shit worldwide?
Because it is very much not the exact same thing.
How much longer until they stop trying to force Miles?
How long until liberals stop thinking they're a white savior of black kind? There's your answer.
Terry has more in common with Peter and Miguel than he does with Miles. I don't get this thread beyond they both have black and red suits..and then again...Miguel.
>they both have black and red suits
Both are heroes who 'take up the mantle' of fan favorite superheroes. Terry was, presumably, executed better since people liked him and Miles was not since people don't like him. The OP is wondering why that is.
Thank you chatgpt
Because he's a Black and I dont like no Black folks no sir
Are so moronic you cant tell the difference?
In Batman you have an old hero slowly teaching a new one from 0. The narrative is about BOTH heroes in different positions and the world itself has changed, it is literally a continuation of the narrative.
In Spiderman you have Peter, which is spiderman and continues to spiderman and then on the side you have Token character which came to substitute him. It is not a narrative about both heroes and the slow pass of the torch. The narrative isnt about both heroes.
Basically, it is a completely different and you are a mongoloid.
Because he’s not trying to replace Bruce as the mainline Batman and not being shoved down everyone’s throat by saying ‘NO HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY BATMAN NOW’. Asking why I don’t hate Terry is like asking why I don’t hate Japanese Spiderman
God I am so glad I never got into capeshit.
Imagine having your brain melted over fictional characters that are outdated by decades lmao.
I wonder how hard the original creators of these heroes would laugh if they were still alive today to see what they have been turned into and how seriously people take them.
>t. anime fighter homo
>Americana pop culture that has been the central zietgiest for propaganda towards children and manchildren for the past 6 decades
>"Wtf why is propaganda being shoved into it?!?"
You people are so wrapped up in the goyslop that you don't even understand why I'm laughing at your moronation.
It's nothing about West vs. East or manga vs. comics because manga does the same shit but at least the Japanese have a cultural understanding of not taking it this seriously for the most part.
Whatever helps you cope about Bridget, dweeb.
Whatever helps you cope with having all your characters get blacked.
I don't know much about comics, but DCAU Is some of the best cartoons ever on TV.
The thing is, when a teenage Batman in future got announced, people got REALLY fricking mad.
So the creators took it upon themselves to make it as respectful to the originals as possible.
This is what it boils down to. Bruce is retired. Peter is not. Bruce is past his prime, because age does that eventually. Peter is just being forced aside. Terry has his own identity, a suit that operates largely differently. Miles just has some extra powers added on top in the hopes you'll like him better than Peter. Terry has almost entirely new rogues gallery (with some holdovers because that's neat). What does Miles have? Just Spidey's villains?
g-graffiti...and sneakers..shut up he's doing his own thang.
As a black man, I hated Miles Morales until Spider-verse. What I like him is that his core idea of ''doing his thing'' is a great parallel to multiverses. It's a different way to make Spider-Man a coming off age story than Peter Parker.
Imagine if the author of Boondocks got to write Miles
It would've actually been good.
Becayse he is Batman’s son
Damn... people really love Terry, huh.
one of the new people who can make joker seethe easily
helps that Batman Beyond is a just a really good cartoon
>wait but I like to talk
I like that moment. He figured out something Bruce barely ever does and that it could help him.
Also damn that Joker was overpowering him before the banter affected him. He’s in an old Robin’s body isn’t he?
no, people just really HATE miles.
Terry not as much.
She should have won the Terrybowl and i'll never not be mad. Why can't protags never end up with best girl? Sure she has her issues but she's a sweetheart and can fight. Terry's gf is such an obnoxious mary sue...
>Dana is a Mary Sue
>Why?
>Because she wants to spend more time with her Boyfriend who keeps ditching her.
Most comic fans barely understand characters in a book let alone basic human behavior.
Obviously their respective lifestyles don't align, so why force it? And yeah Terry is a terrible boyfriend, he even cheats on her with Mel, first time is right after a dumb break up but the second time he had no excuse. So... why do they insist in shipping them together? Meanwhile he could go on patrol with Mel and stop getting sucker punched every other episode.
Because Dana is a stable influence on his life and one of the things that keeps him tethered to normalcy alongside his brother and mother whereas his relationship with Mel was mostly born of their similarities to each other and Terry's desire to save her.
Because Miles hasn't taken over the mantle of Spiderman. Peter Parker sells while Miles Morales doesn't, so Marvel will keep teasing Miles as taking over to appease the bluehairs while still keeping Peter around. It's like they're in a constant state of cucking each other now and it's extremely fricking tiring.
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Don't forget the absolute bangers this show had, too.
Terry is better than Miles because Terry is Irish. The Celts will take over the world.
Batman beyond is kino
gay black electric spiderman is not.
simple as.
Because Terry is white, duh
I don't hate Miles I just hate poorly written Miles in poorly written Spider-Man stories
It's easier to replace batman IN THE FUTURE than replace Spiderman in the present
Bruce:
>stoic, jaded and/or angry
>has no powers
>is old and frail now
>has a wealth of knowledge, skill and tech to part with to a noble heir - out of necessity, because he can no longer act like he used to
Terry:
>Young, brash, smug, naive,and a little rebellious
>learns from mistakes, and learns to trust Bruce's insight and wisdom
>completely different personality from Bruce
>willing and able to be Bruce's instrument in a time he still lives, but can't work
>Is wholly different in setting, gadgets and style
Peter:
>Has unique powers
>in his prime
>Funny personality
Miles:
>literally copypastes Peter's powers but has them better because he's black, so he's gotta be better, also technology gadgets and shit, just to push him a tier higher
>practically the same personality as Peter, quips and jokes during fighting, and a lot of confidence
>exists simultaneously with Peter, basically just shoving him to the side acting like "I can take over, you retire lol"
>literally more of the same, but with a team
Terry wasn't a tryhard batman.
Miles isn't either, if you followed his ultimate origins, but man, writers and editores are making sure people hate miles nowdays.
>How can we make sure people identify miles as THE black spiderman?
Bonus for ultimate miles having mj and gwen as his big sisters.
Frick off already, don't you have anything better to do than spam the same thread over and over again?
I actually like Miles' origin in comics.
>more shy and introverted compared to Ultimate Peter who's more fiery and wienery
>gets powers fricking around with his uncle who he knows is a crook, disregarding his father's wishes to hang with someone he views as 'cooler' and chill compared to his strict father
>Keeps quiet about his powers out of fear of being treated like a mutant or his father rejecting him due to his father's feelings towards superhuman in general
>Tries to act like spiderman once and it scares him so much he ends up throwing up despite the praise he gets for saving a little girl from a fire and realizing he's just not made for it
>Then while he's cowering away during a big emergency and peter's fighting for his life, he realizes what a pussy he's being and does try to go but all his hesitation ends with him arriving when it's all over and Peter dies
>He rightfully bashes himself for sitting on his ass this whole time afraid of everything when he could have been helping his city's hero
>This self-loathing and guilt motivate him to stepping up for Peter
>Learns he should have listened to his father and his criminal uncle really is a piece of shit and gets forced into helping him with his crimes for a bit before he accidentally ends up killing him during a fight
>City goes from thinking he's a bit of a unreliable klutz compared to the OG to suspecting him of being an outright killer evading the law while he's trying to stop crimes
If they didn't bungle it in comics, shit would have been pique.
Something else happening in the ultimate comics was jameson witnessing Peter saving lives in even on the verge of death and realizng he has been an butthole with the webslinger this whole time.
This leads to him willing to have a more "neutral" POV on miles being branded as a vigilante by the public eye.
Because when they created Terry he had an entire story line created for him, he doesn't steal everything from the character he was replacing including love interests and rogues gallery and Terry is very much well established as his own character with his own sets of flaws idiosyncrasies and positives that Bruce Wayne does not share.
The problem with Miles was he was introduced without being established WAY TOO fast in 2011 and he took everything from Peter Parker in the most lazy transparent way imaginable.
You ask most people these days, they'd sooner prefer a Ben Reilly or Miguel O'Hara being Parker's replacement. O'Hara is Hispanic/Irish so add that to your pathetic ESG scores, people actually want it and they'd sooner refuse.
blah blah blah, it's literally just the youth. They older comic heads are dying or moving away from comics to focus on more important shit in their lives and only a few diehards are staying so they're trying to appeal to a younger demographic with a younger character to latch onto and it's working. That's literally it.
>erhm ackshually it's the execs trying to appeal to the youth!
That doesn't invalidate anything that the other anon said. It is all about respect for the characters. One's a successor and the other is a skinwalker.
Miles isnt white
No one gives a shit about either of them. The difference is that they are trying to force Miles down everyone's throat while the other continues to get ignored like it should be.
Terry straight up murders people as Batman. Miles is just Spiderman in blackface.
Damian or Miles?
Holy cow
Making Bruce and his Brother Terry proud.
Thread makes me miss Static. Simpler times when I knew jackshit of racism and people forcing it everywhere. When Static had an episode he wanted the Spider to stay for a black superhero I didn’t even understand why but I knew it was reassuring when he told Static there was already one: him.
Static did a lot of stuff right. That’s how you do a message since kids will only het the rest of the meaning ince they grow up. You don’t dedicate a series to making a black superhero. You make it about a teenager struggling with being a superhero and balancing that out.
It's because Miles' face is made of legos.
Now that the dust has settled. Should Spider-Boy be in a video game?